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"Because swinging and hooking up are different things." Well define them then and let people know exactly what you want | |||
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"The word swinger used to mean a couple who meets other couples for recreational sex. But these days it looks like it means anyone who just wants a hook up. Its a shame as the attitude of some people in the scene is now just about getting fucked and that's not what it's about at all... " Well. You call yourself a swinger and I will call myself a single guy | |||
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"So how do the singles you state you are looking to meet in your profile choices fit in with this inflexible definition of yours OP? " Hang a minute. I'm pretty sure that I didn't make an inflexible definition of anything. What I am talking about is the the scene has changed. I'm sorry if you class that as a definiton but I don't. I just happens to be a fact that over recent years the scene has changed and it's more about just hooking up for sex rather than enjoying a lifestyle. And we as everyone else has the right to choose who we meet. I'm not telling people what they can and can't do. I'm just pointing out a what appears to me to be true. | |||
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"The word swinger used to mean a couple who meets other couples for recreational sex. But these days it looks like it means anyone who just wants a hook up. Its a shame as the attitude of some people in the scene is now just about getting fucked and that's not what it's about at all... Well. You call yourself a swinger and I will call myself a single guy " You can call yourself what you like. | |||
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"it's more about just hooking up for sex rather than enjoying a lifestyle." Buy enjoying the lifestyle you hook up for sex so isn't it the same thing? | |||
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"we don't consider ourselves swingers just a sex mad couple out for fun hate labels they just restrict you" Maybe a new site called fabfuckers might be more apt? | |||
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"we don't consider ourselves swingers just a sex mad couple out for fun hate labels they just restrict you Maybe a new site called fabfuckers might be more apt?" You could stick to house parties with couples only. Swinging doesn't revolve around a website does it? | |||
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"we don't consider ourselves swingers just a sex mad couple out for fun hate labels they just restrict you Maybe a new site called fabfuckers might be more apt? You could stick to house parties with couples only. Swinging doesn't revolve around a website does it? " Of course it doesn't. That's a bit of a silly thing to say.. | |||
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"we don't consider ourselves swingers just a sex mad couple out for fun hate labels they just restrict you Maybe a new site called fabfuckers might be more apt? You could stick to house parties with couples only. Swinging doesn't revolve around a website does it? Of course it doesn't. That's a bit of a silly thing to say.." So what is your problem exactly? How do you conduct this swinging lifestyle? | |||
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"I'd like to know exactly what it is you're objecting to. People looking for sex on here? People going to clubs to look for sex? People wanting single people to join them for sex? Couples using websites and clubs looking for sex? What is a swinging lifestyle to you? " I don't recall objecting to anything. It was more of an observation based on what I've witnessed overy the past few years. I think it's a shame that the scene has attracted more and more no scene people as it takes away from the hedonistic atmosphere. Again it's an observation that's all. Things where very different 15 years or so ago. | |||
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"I'd like to know exactly what it is you're objecting to. People looking for sex on here? People going to clubs to look for sex? People wanting single people to join them for sex? Couples using websites and clubs looking for sex? What is a swinging lifestyle to you? I don't recall objecting to anything. It was more of an observation based on what I've witnessed overy the past few years. I think it's a shame that the scene has attracted more and more no scene people as it takes away from the hedonistic atmosphere. Again it's an observation that's all. Things where very different 15 years or so ago." Explain how things were back then and we might get an idea of what you mean. What was it like back then? Was it just clubs and house parties with married couples that were all friends before having sex? Didn't people have sex with people they didn't know? | |||
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"I'd like to know exactly what it is you're objecting to. People looking for sex on here? People going to clubs to look for sex? People wanting single people to join them for sex? Couples using websites and clubs looking for sex? What is a swinging lifestyle to you? I don't recall objecting to anything. It was more of an observation based on what I've witnessed overy the past few years. I think it's a shame that the scene has attracted more and more no scene people as it takes away from the hedonistic atmosphere. Again it's an observation that's all. Things where very different 15 years or so ago. Explain how things were back then and we might get an idea of what you mean. What was it like back then? Was it just clubs and house parties with married couples that were all friends before having sex? Didn't people have sex with people they didn't know? " You are missing the point. Many people have jumped on the band wagon and it's not benefited the scene. My thought process actually came from a different thread I was reading over night. The tack of that was that some people are happy to meet couples as a single but they wouldn't if they had a partner. To me that makes them a shaggers and not a swingers and it demeans the scene. This in turn got me thinking about what's gone on in the club and party scene over recent years as in there are far more people attending who are only there because they think they will have sex and not because they are part of something. To me being part of something different is far more important. It used to be that being different was special and exciting where as now that's been diluted. | |||
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"I think the OP does actually have a valid point. Whist the swinging community has evolved to include singles the number that join this site who are singles looking for singles has vastly increased. With that an attitude of 'I want instant sex now' 'I don't want to socialise or get involved in the scene' seen to emerge. Is it a good thing? Personally I think no. As a single I enjoy the social aspect of swinging but it is easy to avoid these types. They stand out like a spare prick at a wedding (see a swinger would be fucking the bridesmaids and the bride)." I don't want sex now,I have to get to know someone well before having sex,but I don't want to go to a club. I don't like the idea of hundreds of people having sex on something I'm going to have sex on. I'm sociable just not in a club environment. | |||
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"I think the OP does actually have a valid point. Whist the swinging community has evolved to include singles the number that join this site who are singles looking for singles has vastly increased. With that an attitude of 'I want instant sex now' 'I don't want to socialise or get involved in the scene' seen to emerge. Is it a good thing? Personally I think no. As a single I enjoy the social aspect of swinging but it is easy to avoid these types. They stand out like a spare prick at a wedding (see a swinger would be fucking the bridesmaids and the bride). I don't want sex now,I have to get to know someone well before having sex,but I don't want to go to a club. I don't like the idea of hundreds of people having sex on something I'm going to have sex on. I'm sociable just not in a club environment. " You really don't need to take this quite so personally. | |||
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"all swingers are shaggers lol" Oh I see. Bugger I knew we were doing something wrong | |||
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"I'd like to know exactly what it is you're objecting to. People looking for sex on here? People going to clubs to look for sex? People wanting single people to join them for sex? Couples using websites and clubs looking for sex? What is a swinging lifestyle to you? I don't recall objecting to anything. It was more of an observation based on what I've witnessed overy the past few years. I think it's a shame that the scene has attracted more and more no scene people as it takes away from the hedonistic atmosphere. Again it's an observation that's all. Things where very different 15 years or so ago. Explain how things were back then and we might get an idea of what you mean. What was it like back then? Was it just clubs and house parties with married couples that were all friends before having sex? Didn't people have sex with people they didn't know? You are missing the point. Many people have jumped on the band wagon and it's not benefited the scene. My thought process actually came from a different thread I was reading over night. The tack of that was that some people are happy to meet couples as a single but they wouldn't if they had a partner. To me that makes them a shaggers and not a swingers and it demeans the scene. This in turn got me thinking about what's gone on in the club and party scene over recent years as in there are far more people attending who are only there because they think they will have sex and not because they are part of something. To me being part of something different is far more important. It used to be that being different was special and exciting where as now that's been diluted." So,you want to feel special for having sex with someone other than your partner? To me,anyone who has sex with multiple partners is a shagger,regardless of how they try to portray themselves. Going to clubs and chatting to people beforehand doesn't make it anything other than shagging. Hook up sex is different though,I wouldn't do that because I have to get to know someone well before having sex. I'd have to meet the same people for months,at a club,before I had sex with them,and I don't want to do that. I've read there are couples only nights at clubs you can attend; you could still get couples looking for a hook up though. | |||
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"the swinging community has alway had singles ?? it never ever been a couples only thing never history will tell you that" Yes I know that I was swinging in my early 20's, but not the volume of singles that is around now. If fab was to run a survey on all the new singles that joined how many could be even loosely defined as swingers? The majority just see this site as a 'fuck site'. They join thinking this is an easy way to get sex, find out it actually isn't and then bitch and whine about not being able to get a meet. The standard advice is churned out 'go to a social' 'try a club' but no they want sex now!! The singles who do get swinging don't come on the forum moaning about not getting meets. They are out there having fun. Different attitude all together. | |||
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"all swingers are shaggers lol Oh I see. Bugger I knew we were doing something wrong" Surely by now you know how to have sex | |||
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"I'd like to know exactly what it is you're objecting to. People looking for sex on here? People going to clubs to look for sex? People wanting single people to join them for sex? Couples using websites and clubs looking for sex? What is a swinging lifestyle to you? I don't recall objecting to anything. It was more of an observation based on what I've witnessed overy the past few years. I think it's a shame that the scene has attracted more and more no scene people as it takes away from the hedonistic atmosphere. Again it's an observation that's all. Things where very different 15 years or so ago. Explain how things were back then and we might get an idea of what you mean. What was it like back then? Was it just clubs and house parties with married couples that were all friends before having sex? Didn't people have sex with people they didn't know? You are missing the point. Many people have jumped on the band wagon and it's not benefited the scene. My thought process actually came from a different thread I was reading over night. The tack of that was that some people are happy to meet couples as a single but they wouldn't if they had a partner. To me that makes them a shaggers and not a swingers and it demeans the scene. This in turn got me thinking about what's gone on in the club and party scene over recent years as in there are far more people attending who are only there because they think they will have sex and not because they are part of something. To me being part of something different is far more important. It used to be that being different was special and exciting where as now that's been diluted. So,you want to feel special for having sex with someone other than your partner? To me,anyone who has sex with multiple partners is a shagger,regardless of how they try to portray themselves. Going to clubs and chatting to people beforehand doesn't make it anything other than shagging. Hook up sex is different though,I wouldn't do that because I have to get to know someone well before having sex. I'd have to meet the same people for months,at a club,before I had sex with them,and I don't want to do that. I've read there are couples only nights at clubs you can attend; you could still get couples looking for a hook up though." You are totally missing this or you genuinely have no idea what I'm talking about. So this is now at a point where I will bid you good night and wish you well x | |||
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"the swinging community has alway had singles ?? it never ever been a couples only thing never history will tell you that Yes I know that I was swinging in my early 20's, but not the volume of singles that is around now. If fab was to run a survey on all the new singles that joined how many could be even loosely defined as swingers? The majority just see this site as a 'fuck site'. They join thinking this is an easy way to get sex, find out it actually isn't and then bitch and whine about not being able to get a meet. The standard advice is churned out 'go to a social' 'try a club' but no they want sex now!! The singles who do get swinging don't come on the forum moaning about not getting meets. They are out there having fun. Different attitude all together." It's an easy way for me to get sex and I'm not interested in clubs or socials. If I did go to clubs or socials I'd still be just having sex with people I've got to know. What I do doesn't impact on anyone else's sex life. If I went to a club I doubt I would find anyone I wanted to have sex with. | |||
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"the swinging community has alway had singles ?? it never ever been a couples only thing never history will tell you that Yes I know that I was swinging in my early 20's, but not the volume of singles that is around now. If fab was to run a survey on all the new singles that joined how many could be even loosely defined as swingers? The majority just see this site as a 'fuck site'. They join thinking this is an easy way to get sex, find out it actually isn't and then bitch and whine about not being able to get a meet. The standard advice is churned out 'go to a social' 'try a club' but no they want sex now!! The singles who do get swinging don't come on the forum moaning about not getting meets. They are out there having fun. Different attitude all together." It's nice to see its still alive. X | |||
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"I'd like to know exactly what it is you're objecting to. People looking for sex on here? People going to clubs to look for sex? People wanting single people to join them for sex? Couples using websites and clubs looking for sex? What is a swinging lifestyle to you? I don't recall objecting to anything. It was more of an observation based on what I've witnessed overy the past few years. I think it's a shame that the scene has attracted more and more no scene people as it takes away from the hedonistic atmosphere. Again it's an observation that's all. Things where very different 15 years or so ago. Explain how things were back then and we might get an idea of what you mean. What was it like back then? Was it just clubs and house parties with married couples that were all friends before having sex? Didn't people have sex with people they didn't know? You are missing the point. Many people have jumped on the band wagon and it's not benefited the scene. My thought process actually came from a different thread I was reading over night. The tack of that was that some people are happy to meet couples as a single but they wouldn't if they had a partner. To me that makes them a shaggers and not a swingers and it demeans the scene. This in turn got me thinking about what's gone on in the club and party scene over recent years as in there are far more people attending who are only there because they think they will have sex and not because they are part of something. To me being part of something different is far more important. It used to be that being different was special and exciting where as now that's been diluted. So,you want to feel special for having sex with someone other than your partner? To me,anyone who has sex with multiple partners is a shagger,regardless of how they try to portray themselves. Going to clubs and chatting to people beforehand doesn't make it anything other than shagging. Hook up sex is different though,I wouldn't do that because I have to get to know someone well before having sex. I'd have to meet the same people for months,at a club,before I had sex with them,and I don't want to do that. I've read there are couples only nights at clubs you can attend; you could still get couples looking for a hook up though. You are totally missing this or you genuinely have no idea what I'm talking about. So this is now at a point where I will bid you good night and wish you well x" You haven't explained what the something is you were part of. I wasn't there,I don't know. | |||
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"the swinging community has alway had singles ?? it never ever been a couples only thing never history will tell you that Yes I know that I was swinging in my early 20's, but not the volume of singles that is around now. If fab was to run a survey on all the new singles that joined how many could be even loosely defined as swingers? The majority just see this site as a 'fuck site'. They join thinking this is an easy way to get sex, find out it actually isn't and then bitch and whine about not being able to get a meet. The standard advice is churned out 'go to a social' 'try a club' but no they want sex now!! The singles who do get swinging don't come on the forum moaning about not getting meets. They are out there having fun. Different attitude all together. It's an easy way for me to get sex and I'm not interested in clubs or socials. If I did go to clubs or socials I'd still be just having sex with people I've got to know. What I do doesn't impact on anyone else's sex life. If I went to a club I doubt I would find anyone I wanted to have sex with. " That's the point you don't have to have sex with anyone. | |||
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"I'd like to know exactly what it is you're objecting to. People looking for sex on here? People going to clubs to look for sex? People wanting single people to join them for sex? Couples using websites and clubs looking for sex? What is a swinging lifestyle to you? I don't recall objecting to anything. It was more of an observation based on what I've witnessed overy the past few years. I think it's a shame that the scene has attracted more and more no scene people as it takes away from the hedonistic atmosphere. Again it's an observation that's all. Things where very different 15 years or so ago. Explain how things were back then and we might get an idea of what you mean. What was it like back then? Was it just clubs and house parties with married couples that were all friends before having sex? Didn't people have sex with people they didn't know? You are missing the point. Many people have jumped on the band wagon and it's not benefited the scene. My thought process actually came from a different thread I was reading over night. The tack of that was that some people are happy to meet couples as a single but they wouldn't if they had a partner. To me that makes them a shaggers and not a swingers and it demeans the scene. This in turn got me thinking about what's gone on in the club and party scene over recent years as in there are far more people attending who are only there because they think they will have sex and not because they are part of something. To me being part of something different is far more important. It used to be that being different was special and exciting where as now that's been diluted. So,you want to feel special for having sex with someone other than your partner? To me,anyone who has sex with multiple partners is a shagger,regardless of how they try to portray themselves. Going to clubs and chatting to people beforehand doesn't make it anything other than shagging. Hook up sex is different though,I wouldn't do that because I have to get to know someone well before having sex. I'd have to meet the same people for months,at a club,before I had sex with them,and I don't want to do that. I've read there are couples only nights at clubs you can attend; you could still get couples looking for a hook up though. You are totally missing this or you genuinely have no idea what I'm talking about. So this is now at a point where I will bid you good night and wish you well x You haven't explained what the something is you were part of. I wasn't there,I don't know. " It's not about having sex it's the understanding that it's ok to have sex. Many many times we have been out and not had sex with anyone. Swinging is about stepping outside societies so called norm and being different. Its not about going to have sex. It's about being different. Sex is just the hook we hang the hat on. | |||
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"The word swinger used to mean a couple who meets other couples for recreational sex. But these days it looks like it means anyone who just wants a hook up. Its a shame as the attitude of some people in the scene is now just about getting fucked and that's not what it's about at all... " I have what I believe is a perfect solution for you. You can meet people who want to meet you. I'll meet people who want to meet me. How does that sound? | |||
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"The word swinger used to mean a couple who meets other couples for recreational sex. But these days it looks like it means anyone who just wants a hook up. Its a shame as the attitude of some people in the scene is now just about getting fucked and that's not what it's about at all... " I think I get where your coming from OP your referring to the social side lasting friendships formed between couples . very much similar to what happens in the vanilla world with one small difference the couples are swapping partners and enjoying filthy recreational sex as well as socialising as couples . I do agree as I like to form lasting friendships based around socialising and kinky fucking even though technically I'm not a swinger. this site was recommended to me as a place where lasting social and fucking friendship could be found with singles and couples . I think you are partly right going off of my own experiences on here so far. the trick is finding others near enough who fancy you and you fancy them, who are looking form socialising friendships as well as a fucking one just like I am . my answer to that is to only approach people who's profiles state that fact and who's forums posts back up what their profile states , which as you can imagine op means I message very few single ferns or couples because in my experience going off of profiles and forum posts their are a shortage of people matching what I'm looking for . I guess this is the same problem you have run into . which is fine as one can always just enjoy the forum vide while one waits for that elusive connection one is looking for . | |||
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"I'd like to know exactly what it is you're objecting to. People looking for sex on here? People going to clubs to look for sex? People wanting single people to join them for sex? Couples using websites and clubs looking for sex? What is a swinging lifestyle to you? I don't recall objecting to anything. It was more of an observation based on what I've witnessed overy the past few years. I think it's a shame that the scene has attracted more and more no scene people as it takes away from the hedonistic atmosphere. Again it's an observation that's all. Things where very different 15 years or so ago. Explain how things were back then and we might get an idea of what you mean. What was it like back then? Was it just clubs and house parties with married couples that were all friends before having sex? Didn't people have sex with people they didn't know? You are missing the point. Many people have jumped on the band wagon and it's not benefited the scene. My thought process actually came from a different thread I was reading over night. The tack of that was that some people are happy to meet couples as a single but they wouldn't if they had a partner. To me that makes them a shaggers and not a swingers and it demeans the scene. This in turn got me thinking about what's gone on in the club and party scene over recent years as in there are far more people attending who are only there because they think they will have sex and not because they are part of something. To me being part of something different is far more important. It used to be that being different was special and exciting where as now that's been diluted." Agreed. Didn't single sexually promiscuous people used to be known as something else altogether? Latching onto a community (primarily a partner swapping one) makes it more 'respectable and acceptable' for some I think | |||
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"the swinging community has alway had singles ?? it never ever been a couples only thing never history will tell you that Yes I know that I was swinging in my early 20's, but not the volume of singles that is around now. If fab was to run a survey on all the new singles that joined how many could be even loosely defined as swingers? The majority just see this site as a 'fuck site'. They join thinking this is an easy way to get sex, find out it actually isn't and then bitch and whine about not being able to get a meet. The standard advice is churned out 'go to a social' 'try a club' but no they want sex now!! The singles who do get swinging don't come on the forum moaning about not getting meets. They are out there having fun. Different attitude all together. It's an easy way for me to get sex and I'm not interested in clubs or socials. If I did go to clubs or socials I'd still be just having sex with people I've got to know. What I do doesn't impact on anyone else's sex life. If I went to a club I doubt I would find anyone I wanted to have sex with. That's the point you don't have to have sex with anyone." What's the point in going then? To chat in a corner with people I don't know? I'd rather go out with my real friends. I wouldn't expect sex,but if I went regularly and never found anyone I wanted to have sex with I wouldn't want to keep going. I can socialise in a pub with my friends. I've been invited to house parties; not because they want to be my friend. Because they want to have sex with me. Swinging ultimately involves sex. It seems that women are more than welcome to hook up with couples they barely know,but men aren't. It's what puts me off clubs and couples. Which is ironic,as meeting couples was one of the reasons I joined the site. | |||
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"the swinging community has alway had singles ?? it never ever been a couples only thing never history will tell you that Yes I know that I was swinging in my early 20's, but not the volume of singles that is around now. If fab was to run a survey on all the new singles that joined how many could be even loosely defined as swingers? The majority just see this site as a 'fuck site'. They join thinking this is an easy way to get sex, find out it actually isn't and then bitch and whine about not being able to get a meet. The standard advice is churned out 'go to a social' 'try a club' but no they want sex now!! The singles who do get swinging don't come on the forum moaning about not getting meets. They are out there having fun. Different attitude all together. It's an easy way for me to get sex and I'm not interested in clubs or socials. If I did go to clubs or socials I'd still be just having sex with people I've got to know. What I do doesn't impact on anyone else's sex life. If I went to a club I doubt I would find anyone I wanted to have sex with. That's the point you don't have to have sex with anyone. What's the point in going then? To chat in a corner with people I don't know? I'd rather go out with my real friends. I wouldn't expect sex,but if I went regularly and never found anyone I wanted to have sex with I wouldn't want to keep going. I can socialise in a pub with my friends. I've been invited to house parties; not because they want to be my friend. Because they want to have sex with me. Swinging ultimately involves sex. It seems that women are more than welcome to hook up with couples they barely know,but men aren't. It's what puts me off clubs and couples. Which is ironic,as meeting couples was one of the reasons I joined the site. " Sex is only one part of it.. | |||
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"I get the feeling this is a moan about single men thread. " What, again? Oh come on, we aren't all bad Ok fuck it, I am but it's not my fault. I blame that Strawberry tart woman personally | |||
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"I'd like to know exactly what it is you're objecting to. People looking for sex on here? People going to clubs to look for sex? People wanting single people to join them for sex? Couples using websites and clubs looking for sex? What is a swinging lifestyle to you? I don't recall objecting to anything. It was more of an observation based on what I've witnessed overy the past few years. I think it's a shame that the scene has attracted more and more no scene people as it takes away from the hedonistic atmosphere. Again it's an observation that's all. Things where very different 15 years or so ago. Explain how things were back then and we might get an idea of what you mean. What was it like back then? Was it just clubs and house parties with married couples that were all friends before having sex? Didn't people have sex with people they didn't know? You are missing the point. Many people have jumped on the band wagon and it's not benefited the scene. My thought process actually came from a different thread I was reading over night. The tack of that was that some people are happy to meet couples as a single but they wouldn't if they had a partner. To me that makes them a shaggers and not a swingers and it demeans the scene. This in turn got me thinking about what's gone on in the club and party scene over recent years as in there are far more people attending who are only there because they think they will have sex and not because they are part of something. To me being part of something different is far more important. It used to be that being different was special and exciting where as now that's been diluted. Agreed. Didn't single sexually promiscuous people used to be known as something else altogether? Latching onto a community (primarily a partner swapping one) makes it more 'respectable and acceptable' for some I think" Couples shagging around isn't seen as respectable amongst my family and friends. The term swinger is seen as derogatory as much as slag. | |||
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"the swinging community has alway had singles ?? it never ever been a couples only thing never history will tell you that Yes I know that I was swinging in my early 20's, but not the volume of singles that is around now. If fab was to run a survey on all the new singles that joined how many could be even loosely defined as swingers? The majority just see this site as a 'fuck site'. They join thinking this is an easy way to get sex, find out it actually isn't and then bitch and whine about not being able to get a meet. The standard advice is churned out 'go to a social' 'try a club' but no they want sex now!! The singles who do get swinging don't come on the forum moaning about not getting meets. They are out there having fun. Different attitude all together. It's an easy way for me to get sex and I'm not interested in clubs or socials. If I did go to clubs or socials I'd still be just having sex with people I've got to know. What I do doesn't impact on anyone else's sex life. If I went to a club I doubt I would find anyone I wanted to have sex with. That's the point you don't have to have sex with anyone. What's the point in going then? To chat in a corner with people I don't know? I'd rather go out with my real friends. I wouldn't expect sex,but if I went regularly and never found anyone I wanted to have sex with I wouldn't want to keep going. I can socialise in a pub with my friends. I've been invited to house parties; not because they want to be my friend. Because they want to have sex with me. Swinging ultimately involves sex. It seems that women are more than welcome to hook up with couples they barely know,but men aren't. It's what puts me off clubs and couples. Which is ironic,as meeting couples was one of the reasons I joined the site. Sex is only one part of it.. " Don't these single men try to socialise the same as single women and couples? I've been put off clubs by reading a lot about people's experiences,on here. | |||
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"As a couple we have no interest in this lifestyle you talk about. We're not here to make new friends or be sociable. We're here to fulfil our fantasies amd fuck so I guess we fall into the mad shaggers category " Then the soonet they start fabshaggers the happier you will be I guess | |||
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"the swinging community has alway had singles ?? it never ever been a couples only thing never history will tell you that Yes I know that I was swinging in my early 20's, but not the volume of singles that is around now. If fab was to run a survey on all the new singles that joined how many could be even loosely defined as swingers? The majority just see this site as a 'fuck site'. They join thinking this is an easy way to get sex, find out it actually isn't and then bitch and whine about not being able to get a meet. The standard advice is churned out 'go to a social' 'try a club' but no they want sex now!! The singles who do get swinging don't come on the forum moaning about not getting meets. They are out there having fun. Different attitude all together. It's an easy way for me to get sex and I'm not interested in clubs or socials. If I did go to clubs or socials I'd still be just having sex with people I've got to know. What I do doesn't impact on anyone else's sex life. If I went to a club I doubt I would find anyone I wanted to have sex with. That's the point you don't have to have sex with anyone. What's the point in going then? To chat in a corner with people I don't know? I'd rather go out with my real friends. I wouldn't expect sex,but if I went regularly and never found anyone I wanted to have sex with I wouldn't want to keep going. I can socialise in a pub with my friends. I've been invited to house parties; not because they want to be my friend. Because they want to have sex with me. Swinging ultimately involves sex. It seems that women are more than welcome to hook up with couples they barely know,but men aren't. It's what puts me off clubs and couples. Which is ironic,as meeting couples was one of the reasons I joined the site. Sex is only one part of it.. Don't these single men try to socialise the same as single women and couples? I've been put off clubs by reading a lot about people's experiences,on here. " I never mentioned single men, that's down to you. | |||
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"I'd like to know exactly what it is you're objecting to. People looking for sex on here? People going to clubs to look for sex? People wanting single people to join them for sex? Couples using websites and clubs looking for sex? What is a swinging lifestyle to you? I don't recall objecting to anything. It was more of an observation based on what I've witnessed overy the past few years. I think it's a shame that the scene has attracted more and more no scene people as it takes away from the hedonistic atmosphere. Again it's an observation that's all. Things where very different 15 years or so ago. Explain how things were back then and we might get an idea of what you mean. What was it like back then? Was it just clubs and house parties with married couples that were all friends before having sex? Didn't people have sex with people they didn't know? You are missing the point. Many people have jumped on the band wagon and it's not benefited the scene. My thought process actually came from a different thread I was reading over night. The tack of that was that some people are happy to meet couples as a single but they wouldn't if they had a partner. To me that makes them a shaggers and not a swingers and it demeans the scene. This in turn got me thinking about what's gone on in the club and party scene over recent years as in there are far more people attending who are only there because they think they will have sex and not because they are part of something. To me being part of something different is far more important. It used to be that being different was special and exciting where as now that's been diluted. Agreed. Didn't single sexually promiscuous people used to be known as something else altogether? Latching onto a community (primarily a partner swapping one) makes it more 'respectable and acceptable' for some I think Couples shagging around isn't seen as respectable amongst my family and friends. The term swinger is seen as derogatory as much as slag. " Like I said 'some singles seem to think latching onto the swinging community makes what they do seem *more* respectable...' Singles shagging around is seen as lower than couples shagging around, that's just how it is. I don't think a site called slags, man-whore chancers and sluts would get as many signing up. And for the record - I don't class anyone as the above | |||
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"As a couple we have no interest in this lifestyle you talk about. We're not here to make new friends or be sociable. We're here to fulfil our fantasies amd fuck so I guess we fall into the mad shaggers category Then the soonet they start fabshaggers the happier you will be I guess" Actually op, it sounds like you are the ones that aren't happy. Most of us seem quite content to do our own thing and not concern ourselves with those that seek a different lifestyle. Just an observation. | |||
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"the swinging community has alway had singles ?? it never ever been a couples only thing never history will tell you that Yes I know that I was swinging in my early 20's, but not the volume of singles that is around now. If fab was to run a survey on all the new singles that joined how many could be even loosely defined as swingers? The majority just see this site as a 'fuck site'. They join thinking this is an easy way to get sex, find out it actually isn't and then bitch and whine about not being able to get a meet. The standard advice is churned out 'go to a social' 'try a club' but no they want sex now!! The singles who do get swinging don't come on the forum moaning about not getting meets. They are out there having fun. Different attitude all together. It's an easy way for me to get sex and I'm not interested in clubs or socials. If I did go to clubs or socials I'd still be just having sex with people I've got to know. What I do doesn't impact on anyone else's sex life. If I went to a club I doubt I would find anyone I wanted to have sex with. That's the point you don't have to have sex with anyone. What's the point in going then? To chat in a corner with people I don't know? I'd rather go out with my real friends. I wouldn't expect sex,but if I went regularly and never found anyone I wanted to have sex with I wouldn't want to keep going. I can socialise in a pub with my friends. I've been invited to house parties; not because they want to be my friend. Because they want to have sex with me. Swinging ultimately involves sex. It seems that women are more than welcome to hook up with couples they barely know,but men aren't. It's what puts me off clubs and couples. Which is ironic,as meeting couples was one of the reasons I joined the site. " Or to chat with people you have met over the years, friends, and to socialise. I have been many times and just socialised as I have many good friends on the club scene. If I go to my local pub in just my corset, hold ups and knickers I'd expect to get thrown out. Yes clubs aren't for everyone and nobody is being forced to go. On that note I'm out. Enjoy fab or the scene however you will but don't pretend that a major part of this site is far removed from swinging and is now known as a hook up site as the OP was trying to point out. | |||
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"I can't see the difference between me chatting to a couple on here then being invited over for sex,than going to a club and chatting there then having sex. I think using the term swinger is a way to make people feel justified in having sex. Anyone they don't see as swingers are just sex mad people who fuck around. Having a few drinks in a club with someone before putting your cock in them,or opening your legs for them doesn't make it something special. You're still fucking multiple partners,which is frowned upon by a lot of people,sadly. " You are so focused on the act rather than the attitude. | |||
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"the swinging community has alway had singles ?? it never ever been a couples only thing never history will tell you that Yes I know that I was swinging in my early 20's, but not the volume of singles that is around now. If fab was to run a survey on all the new singles that joined how many could be even loosely defined as swingers? The majority just see this site as a 'fuck site'. They join thinking this is an easy way to get sex, find out it actually isn't and then bitch and whine about not being able to get a meet. The standard advice is churned out 'go to a social' 'try a club' but no they want sex now!! The singles who do get swinging don't come on the forum moaning about not getting meets. They are out there having fun. Different attitude all together. It's an easy way for me to get sex and I'm not interested in clubs or socials. If I did go to clubs or socials I'd still be just having sex with people I've got to know. What I do doesn't impact on anyone else's sex life. If I went to a club I doubt I would find anyone I wanted to have sex with. That's the point you don't have to have sex with anyone. What's the point in going then? To chat in a corner with people I don't know? I'd rather go out with my real friends. I wouldn't expect sex,but if I went regularly and never found anyone I wanted to have sex with I wouldn't want to keep going. I can socialise in a pub with my friends. I've been invited to house parties; not because they want to be my friend. Because they want to have sex with me. Swinging ultimately involves sex. It seems that women are more than welcome to hook up with couples they barely know,but men aren't. It's what puts me off clubs and couples. Which is ironic,as meeting couples was one of the reasons I joined the site. Sex is only one part of it.. Don't these single men try to socialise the same as single women and couples? I've been put off clubs by reading a lot about people's experiences,on here. I never mentioned single men, that's down to you." I got the gist,same as someone else did. Are you saying it's single people or are you talking about couples too? People go to sex clubs for sex. If they weren't sex clubs no one would be allowed to have sex. How they conduct themselves prior to having sex seems to be what you say has changed. Change happens and we have to lump it or like it. Or arrange your own parties with swingers and step away from the mainstream. | |||
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"I can see how the influx described could have changed this site - but I don't understand how people who are not participating in the scene or the lifestyle you describe could have diluted the scene or the lifestyle. Your very criticism is that they aren't part of it, how can they have affected it by not being part of it? " Confusing innit? \__/ | |||
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"As a couple we have no interest in this lifestyle you talk about. We're not here to make new friends or be sociable. We're here to fulfil our fantasies amd fuck so I guess we fall into the mad shaggers category Then the soonet they start fabshaggers the happier you will be I guess You say fabshaggers, I say fabswingers No matter which way you dress it up you are part of the fuck n run brigade. If it works for you then it works.. but it is what it is." We don't fuck and run, we fuck and strut | |||
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"I'd like to know exactly what it is you're objecting to. People looking for sex on here? People going to clubs to look for sex? People wanting single people to join them for sex? Couples using websites and clubs looking for sex? What is a swinging lifestyle to you? I don't recall objecting to anything. It was more of an observation based on what I've witnessed overy the past few years. I think it's a shame that the scene has attracted more and more no scene people as it takes away from the hedonistic atmosphere. Again it's an observation that's all. Things where very different 15 years or so ago. Explain how things were back then and we might get an idea of what you mean. What was it like back then? Was it just clubs and house parties with married couples that were all friends before having sex? Didn't people have sex with people they didn't know? You are missing the point. Many people have jumped on the band wagon and it's not benefited the scene. My thought process actually came from a different thread I was reading over night. The tack of that was that some people are happy to meet couples as a single but they wouldn't if they had a partner. To me that makes them a shaggers and not a swingers and it demeans the scene. This in turn got me thinking about what's gone on in the club and party scene over recent years as in there are far more people attending who are only there because they think they will have sex and not because they are part of something. To me being part of something different is far more important. It used to be that being different was special and exciting where as now that's been diluted. Agreed. Didn't single sexually promiscuous people used to be known as something else altogether? Latching onto a community (primarily a partner swapping one) makes it more 'respectable and acceptable' for some I think Couples shagging around isn't seen as respectable amongst my family and friends. The term swinger is seen as derogatory as much as slag. " very well put op people forget about that fact when there on here surrounded by people with a similar outlook or sycophantic _iews being expressed for no other reason than to get laid. they forget that those who enjoy recreational sex are on the whole not excepted by the majority of society . in fact there liking for something different from the norm is used by the majority to justify name calling and other unsavoury human behaviour . | |||
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"the swinging community has alway had singles ?? it never ever been a couples only thing never history will tell you that Yes I know that I was swinging in my early 20's, but not the volume of singles that is around now. If fab was to run a survey on all the new singles that joined how many could be even loosely defined as swingers? The majority just see this site as a 'fuck site'. They join thinking this is an easy way to get sex, find out it actually isn't and then bitch and whine about not being able to get a meet. The standard advice is churned out 'go to a social' 'try a club' but no they want sex now!! The singles who do get swinging don't come on the forum moaning about not getting meets. They are out there having fun. Different attitude all together. It's an easy way for me to get sex and I'm not interested in clubs or socials. If I did go to clubs or socials I'd still be just having sex with people I've got to know. What I do doesn't impact on anyone else's sex life. If I went to a club I doubt I would find anyone I wanted to have sex with. That's the point you don't have to have sex with anyone. What's the point in going then? To chat in a corner with people I don't know? I'd rather go out with my real friends. I wouldn't expect sex,but if I went regularly and never found anyone I wanted to have sex with I wouldn't want to keep going. I can socialise in a pub with my friends. I've been invited to house parties; not because they want to be my friend. Because they want to have sex with me. Swinging ultimately involves sex. It seems that women are more than welcome to hook up with couples they barely know,but men aren't. It's what puts me off clubs and couples. Which is ironic,as meeting couples was one of the reasons I joined the site. Sex is only one part of it.. Don't these single men try to socialise the same as single women and couples? I've been put off clubs by reading a lot about people's experiences,on here. I never mentioned single men, that's down to you. I got the gist,same as someone else did. Are you saying it's single people or are you talking about couples too? People go to sex clubs for sex. If they weren't sex clubs no one would be allowed to have sex. How they conduct themselves prior to having sex seems to be what you say has changed. Change happens and we have to lump it or like it. Or arrange your own parties with swingers and step away from the mainstream. " There is a big difference between a sex club and a swingers club. | |||
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"As a couple we have no interest in this lifestyle you talk about. We're not here to make new friends or be sociable. We're here to fulfil our fantasies amd fuck so I guess we fall into the mad shaggers category Then the soonet they start fabshaggers the happier you will be I guess You say fabshaggers, I say fabswingers No matter which way you dress it up you are part of the fuck n run brigade. If it works for you then it works.. but it is what it is. We don't fuck and run, we fuck and strut " And I'm sure you enjoy it. | |||
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"I must be doin it wrong then cos I thought swinging was about meeting like-minded people for sex. xxx For some people it is and it's become more and more that way. " It's always been that way | |||
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"I can't see the difference between me chatting to a couple on here then being invited over for sex,than going to a club and chatting there then having sex. I think using the term swinger is a way to make people feel justified in having sex. Anyone they don't see as swingers are just sex mad people who fuck around. Having a few drinks in a club with someone before putting your cock in them,or opening your legs for them doesn't make it something special. You're still fucking multiple partners,which is frowned upon by a lot of people,sadly. You are so focused on the act rather than the attitude." No I'm not. I know what you mean,but clubs where people have sex will attract people who want sex. Things change because they become popular and widely advertised. If I had a partner and wanted other couples to join us I wouldn't be looking in clubs. It's not personal enough for me. I stopped going to bars and nightclubs because the atmosphere wasn't there any more. I didn't keep going and complain about the people there. | |||
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"As a couple we have no interest in this lifestyle you talk about. We're not here to make new friends or be sociable. We're here to fulfil our fantasies amd fuck so I guess we fall into the mad shaggers category Then the soonet they start fabshaggers the happier you will be I guess You say fabshaggers, I say fabswingers No matter which way you dress it up you are part of the fuck n run brigade. If it works for you then it works.. but it is what it is. We don't fuck and run, we fuck and strut And I'm sure you enjoy it. " Which is what it's all about | |||
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"the swinging community has alway had singles ?? it never ever been a couples only thing never history will tell you that Yes I know that I was swinging in my early 20's, but not the volume of singles that is around now. If fab was to run a survey on all the new singles that joined how many could be even loosely defined as swingers? The majority just see this site as a 'fuck site'. They join thinking this is an easy way to get sex, find out it actually isn't and then bitch and whine about not being able to get a meet. The standard advice is churned out 'go to a social' 'try a club' but no they want sex now!! The singles who do get swinging don't come on the forum moaning about not getting meets. They are out there having fun. Different attitude all together. It's an easy way for me to get sex and I'm not interested in clubs or socials. If I did go to clubs or socials I'd still be just having sex with people I've got to know. What I do doesn't impact on anyone else's sex life. If I went to a club I doubt I would find anyone I wanted to have sex with. That's the point you don't have to have sex with anyone. What's the point in going then? To chat in a corner with people I don't know? I'd rather go out with my real friends. I wouldn't expect sex,but if I went regularly and never found anyone I wanted to have sex with I wouldn't want to keep going. I can socialise in a pub with my friends. I've been invited to house parties; not because they want to be my friend. Because they want to have sex with me. Swinging ultimately involves sex. It seems that women are more than welcome to hook up with couples they barely know,but men aren't. It's what puts me off clubs and couples. Which is ironic,as meeting couples was one of the reasons I joined the site. Sex is only one part of it.. Don't these single men try to socialise the same as single women and couples? I've been put off clubs by reading a lot about people's experiences,on here. I never mentioned single men, that's down to you. I got the gist,same as someone else did. Are you saying it's single people or are you talking about couples too? People go to sex clubs for sex. If they weren't sex clubs no one would be allowed to have sex. How they conduct themselves prior to having sex seems to be what you say has changed. Change happens and we have to lump it or like it. Or arrange your own parties with swingers and step away from the mainstream. There is a big difference between a sex club and a swingers club." I'm not talking about a club that has escorts only for men to pay for. Swingers clubs opened so people could meet for sex. Otherwise they would be called nightclubs. You can choose not to have sex,which I've seen people complain about too,or you can fuck everyone in sight,if you have the energy. You can't do that in a nightclub,they arrest you for indecency. | |||
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"where does everyone get this meaning of couples only ?? are swingers a swinger can be anyone. swinger. swing·er. noun. The definition of a swinger is slang for someone who lives an uninhibited lifestyle. A person who engages freely in experimental sexual behavior is an example of a swinger." | |||
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"The word swinger used to mean a couple who meets other couples for recreational sex. But these days it looks like it means anyone who just wants a hook up. Its a shame as the attitude of some people in the scene is now just about getting fucked and that's not what it's about at all... Well. You call yourself a swinger and I will call myself a single guy " I call myself fun xx | |||
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"the swinging community has alway had singles ?? it never ever been a couples only thing never history will tell you that Yes I know that I was swinging in my early 20's, but not the volume of singles that is around now. If fab was to run a survey on all the new singles that joined how many could be even loosely defined as swingers? The majority just see this site as a 'fuck site'. They join thinking this is an easy way to get sex, find out it actually isn't and then bitch and whine about not being able to get a meet. The standard advice is churned out 'go to a social' 'try a club' but no they want sex now!! The singles who do get swinging don't come on the forum moaning about not getting meets. They are out there having fun. Different attitude all together." | |||
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"I think the OP does actually have a valid point. Whist the swinging community has evolved to include singles the number that join this site who are singles looking for singles has vastly increased. With that an attitude of 'I want instant sex now' 'I don't want to socialise or get involved in the scene' seen to emerge. Is it a good thing? Personally I think no. As a single I enjoy the social aspect of swinging but it is easy to avoid these types. They stand out like a spare prick at a wedding (see a swinger would be fucking the bridesmaids and the bride)." I'm with you on that one! | |||
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"I think the OP does actually have a valid point. Whist the swinging community has evolved to include singles the number that join this site who are singles looking for singles has vastly increased. With that an attitude of 'I want instant sex now' 'I don't want to socialise or get involved in the scene' seen to emerge. Is it a good thing? Personally I think no. As a single I enjoy the social aspect of swinging but it is easy to avoid these types. They stand out like a spare prick at a wedding (see a swinger would be fucking the bridesmaids and the bride). I'm with you on that one!" Yup I'd agree with that as well. | |||
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"I think the OP does actually have a valid point. Whist the swinging community has evolved to include singles the number that join this site who are singles looking for singles has vastly increased. With that an attitude of 'I want instant sex now' 'I don't want to socialise or get involved in the scene' seen to emerge. Is it a good thing? Personally I think no. As a single I enjoy the social aspect of swinging but it is easy to avoid these types. They stand out like a spare prick at a wedding (see a swinger would be fucking the bridesmaids and the bride). I'm with you on that one! Yup I'd agree with that as well." What about single women? | |||
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"The word swinger used to mean a couple who meets other couples for recreational sex. But these days it looks like it means anyone who just wants a hook up. Its a shame as the attitude of some people in the scene is now just about getting fucked and that's not what it's about at all... " Bless, but life goes on | |||
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"Because swinging and hooking up are different things. You seem to be mixing up wifeswapping with swinging? " | |||
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"I think there are too many threads like this, we can all look up the definition of a swinger in the dictionary. For us personally, we were doing this way before we joined FAB. We went to clubs and had fun. We still go to clubs and have fun, 50% of our meets in clubs are with people who are not members of FAB, and they say they don't want to be members of FAB. We all have a good night, share a parting kiss at the end of the night, and if we see them again all well and good, if not, it was fun at the time and a memory to be stored away with other good memories. Maybe some people get so absorbed with the site that, and we have heard this said, they will only play with couples who are on FAB. We think this is because they are obsessed with verifications and look at us aren't we popular. The thing about singles, not all singles, I might add, but the majority. Is that they are happy to fuck with a couple until they themselves form a relationship, then suddenly they leave the site, as if to say...... "I can fuck your wife cuz I'm single, but now I'm in a relationship you can't fuck my partner". This leaves us feeling a bit used, and for this very reason don't meet singles any longer. Unless they go to clubs on couples nights with a partner/FB/FWB.... then that's fine, cuz there's 4 of us playing n sharing. Anyway at the end of it all, we participate in the swinging lifestyle, the way we want to participate. And we don't and never will be dictated to by FAB itself. Swing the way you wanna swing, and stop moaning. Xxxxx Suzi " What if the partner doesn't want to be given to your husband as a reward for fucking you? It's not swap shop on here. You choose to meet a man,he doesn't have to give you a woman in return. | |||
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