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"Dilemma.... I am caught in the unenviable debate of whether it's fine to smack your kids to enforce discipline. Having not had the need to smack mine I can't enforce the side of smacking is the way forward, however having listened to the opposing side I find it hard to believe that verbal intervention can possibly be the way forward in the situation I am hearing about. Views people..... What do we think? " how about I slap you for misbehaving? | |||
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"Dilemma.... I am caught in the unenviable debate of whether it's fine to smack your kids to enforce discipline. Having not had the need to smack mine I can't enforce the side of smacking is the way forward, however having listened to the opposing side I find it hard to believe that verbal intervention can possibly be the way forward in the situation I am hearing about. Views people..... What do we think? how about I slap you for misbehaving? " Well....not the response I was looking for but hey, slap away. xx | |||
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"I do, but only on occasion that calls for it and it has to be in the form of a short sharp shock, not to cause any lasting physical pain." Wow. | |||
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"Dilemma.... I am caught in the unenviable debate of whether it's fine to smack your kids to enforce discipline. Having not had the need to smack mine I can't enforce the side of smacking is the way forward, however having listened to the opposing side I find it hard to believe that verbal intervention can possibly be the way forward in the situation I am hearing about. Views people..... What do we think? how about I slap you for misbehaving? Well....not the response I was looking for but hey, slap away. xx" really? | |||
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"I was smacked I don't agree with it now" I was never smacked by my parents, but was given the slipper and cane at boarding school. I don't think it made a better person, just meant that I couldn't sit down for a couple of hours | |||
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"Dilemma.... I am caught in the unenviable debate of whether it's fine to smack your kids to enforce discipline. Having not had the need to smack mine I can't enforce the side of smacking is the way forward, however having listened to the opposing side I find it hard to believe that verbal intervention can possibly be the way forward in the situation I am hearing about. Views people..... What do we think? how about I slap you for misbehaving? Well....not the response I was looking for but hey, slap away. xx really? " Yup. You just let me know how badly I need to misbehave. x | |||
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"You'd be better off looking at Mumsnet or Netmums for this kind of thing OP. " Hahaha. They're a vicious lot over there. You're throwing him to the lions. | |||
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"You'd be better off looking at Mumsnet or Netmums for this kind of thing OP. Hahaha. They're a vicious lot over there. You're throwing him to the lions." | |||
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"Dilemma.... I am caught in the unenviable debate of whether it's fine to smack your kids to enforce discipline. Having not had the need to smack mine I can't enforce the side of smacking is the way forward, however having listened to the opposing side I find it hard to believe that verbal intervention can possibly be the way forward in the situation I am hearing about. Views people..... What do we think? how about I slap you for misbehaving? Well....not the response I was looking for but hey, slap away. xx really? Yup. You just let me know how badly I need to misbehave. x" I'll slap you for purposefully misunderstanding my reply. | |||
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"Dilemma.... I am caught in the unenviable debate of whether it's fine to smack your kids to enforce discipline. Having not had the need to smack mine I can't enforce the side of smacking is the way forward, however having listened to the opposing side I find it hard to believe that verbal intervention can possibly be the way forward in the situation I am hearing about. Views people..... What do we think? how about I slap you for misbehaving? Well....not the response I was looking for but hey, slap away. xx really? Yup. You just let me know how badly I need to misbehave. x I'll slap you for purposefully misunderstanding my reply." Haha. Couldn't resist it. x | |||
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"Smack away nothing wrong with it if that's what you think they deserve " So if you do something wrong or deemed to be so, I can bop you one? | |||
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"Dilemma.... I am caught in the unenviable debate of whether it's fine to smack your kids to enforce discipline. Having not had the need to smack mine I can't enforce the side of smacking is the way forward, however having listened to the opposing side I find it hard to believe that verbal intervention can possibly be the way forward in the situation I am hearing about. Views people..... What do we think? " Don't smack your children my dad is a really great bloke and I love him dearly but he smacked me when I was a kid and it was really frightening. I have never smacked either of my sons I talk to them and explain things to them, they are in there late teens now and are honest, hard working, decent young men n I'm very proud of both of them. | |||
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"Smack away nothing wrong with it if that's what you think they deserve " No one deserves to be hit? Do you punch adults if they do something you think is wrong? | |||
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"My son is nearly 3 i have found taking all his toys away and shutting them in his play room is the best punishment. I let him have them back once he has done what i have asked. " The threat of "unplugging the router" works a treat! Never have and never will lay a finger on my "little princess" | |||
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"Nobody is going to put their head over the parapet on this one Ps sent to bed with no tea is devastating for them I've done it twice - it works " Haha how old are your kids?? That would never work on older / teenage kids believe me! If I did that to mine, they'd laugh back at me! I get my kids where it really hurts... take away the WiFi box! Not just turn it off but unplug it and take it out with me. Sad but hey its a sign of modern times and games consoles. However doesn't always work! I believe a slap is OK and had some school teachers agree with me. Nothing that leaves a bruise though. Kids and teenagers these days are growing up with vile attitudes towards their elders. I'm a brill mum...always told this by two of mine and other people.... what I'm getting at is, it doesn't matter how great your parenting skills are, if a child / teenager wants to ignore you, do things their way and verbally abuse you every day, how do you stop them? My youngest son knows there's nothing I can do. Not really because we're not allowed to smack our kids anymore. Yes I do believe a slap doesn't cause lasting damage but does install a level of respect (such as a child knowing not to walk over / disrespect an adult). Taking away privileges only lasts for so long then it's back to groundhog day! . I've signed him up for police cadets so hopefully that'll teach him more about self discipline. Sorry to drone on and I hope I don't get shot down for my opinion. | |||
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"Nobody is going to put their head over the parapet on this one Ps sent to bed with no tea is devastating for them I've done it twice - it works Haha how old are your kids?? That would never work on older / teenage kids believe me! If I did that to mine, they'd laugh back at me! I get my kids where it really hurts... take away the WiFi box! Not just turn it off but unplug it and take it out with me. Sad but hey its a sign of modern times and games consoles. However doesn't always work! I believe a slap is OK and had some school teachers agree with me. Nothing that leaves a bruise though. Kids and teenagers these days are growing up with vile attitudes towards their elders. I'm a brill mum...always told this by two of mine and other people.... what I'm getting at is, it doesn't matter how great your parenting skills are, if a child / teenager wants to ignore you, do things their way and verbally abuse you every day, how do you stop them? My youngest son knows there's nothing I can do. Not really because we're not allowed to smack our kids anymore. Yes I do believe a slap doesn't cause lasting damage but does install a level of respect (such as a child knowing not to walk over / disrespect an adult). Taking away privileges only lasts for so long then it's back to groundhog day! . I've signed him up for police cadets so hopefully that'll teach him more about self discipline. Sorry to drone on and I hope I don't get shot down for my opinion. " Well done and thank god for someone who lives in the real world | |||
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"Nobody is going to put their head over the parapet on this one Ps sent to bed with no tea is devastating for them I've done it twice - it works Haha how old are your kids?? That would never work on older / teenage kids believe me! If I did that to mine, they'd laugh back at me! I get my kids where it really hurts... take away the WiFi box! Not just turn it off but unplug it and take it out with me. Sad but hey its a sign of modern times and games consoles. However doesn't always work! I believe a slap is OK and had some school teachers agree with me. Nothing that leaves a bruise though. Kids and teenagers these days are growing up with vile attitudes towards their elders. I'm a brill mum...always told this by two of mine and other people.... what I'm getting at is, it doesn't matter how great your parenting skills are, if a child / teenager wants to ignore you, do things their way and verbally abuse you every day, how do you stop them? My youngest son knows there's nothing I can do. Not really because we're not allowed to smack our kids anymore. Yes I do believe a slap doesn't cause lasting damage but does install a level of respect (such as a child knowing not to walk over / disrespect an adult). Taking away privileges only lasts for so long then it's back to groundhog day! . I've signed him up for police cadets so hopefully that'll teach him more about self discipline. Sorry to drone on and I hope I don't get shot down for my opinion. Well done and thank god for someone who lives in the real world " Pahhahaha. The real world? I was hit as a child. It didn't work. | |||
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"Nobody is going to put their head over the parapet on this one Ps sent to bed with no tea is devastating for them I've done it twice - it works Haha how old are your kids?? That would never work on older / teenage kids believe me! If I did that to mine, they'd laugh back at me! I get my kids where it really hurts... take away the WiFi box! Not just turn it off but unplug it and take it out with me. Sad but hey its a sign of modern times and games consoles. However doesn't always work! I believe a slap is OK and had some school teachers agree with me. Nothing that leaves a bruise though. Kids and teenagers these days are growing up with vile attitudes towards their elders. I'm a brill mum...always told this by two of mine and other people.... what I'm getting at is, it doesn't matter how great your parenting skills are, if a child / teenager wants to ignore you, do things their way and verbally abuse you every day, how do you stop them? My youngest son knows there's nothing I can do. Not really because we're not allowed to smack our kids anymore. Yes I do believe a slap doesn't cause lasting damage but does install a level of respect (such as a child knowing not to walk over / disrespect an adult). Taking away privileges only lasts for so long then it's back to groundhog day! . I've signed him up for police cadets so hopefully that'll teach him more about self discipline. Sorry to drone on and I hope I don't get shot down for my opinion. Well done and thank god for someone who lives in the real world " Thank you. X | |||
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"Nobody is going to put their head over the parapet on this one Ps sent to bed with no tea is devastating for them I've done it twice - it works Haha how old are your kids?? That would never work on older / teenage kids believe me! If I did that to mine, they'd laugh back at me! I get my kids where it really hurts... take away the WiFi box! Not just turn it off but unplug it and take it out with me. Sad but hey its a sign of modern times and games consoles. However doesn't always work! I believe a slap is OK and had some school teachers agree with me. Nothing that leaves a bruise though. Kids and teenagers these days are growing up with vile attitudes towards their elders. I'm a brill mum...always told this by two of mine and other people.... what I'm getting at is, it doesn't matter how great your parenting skills are, if a child / teenager wants to ignore you, do things their way and verbally abuse you every day, how do you stop them? My youngest son knows there's nothing I can do. Not really because we're not allowed to smack our kids anymore. Yes I do believe a slap doesn't cause lasting damage but does install a level of respect (such as a child knowing not to walk over / disrespect an adult). Taking away privileges only lasts for so long then it's back to groundhog day! . I've signed him up for police cadets so hopefully that'll teach him more about self discipline. Sorry to drone on and I hope I don't get shot down for my opinion. Well done and thank god for someone who lives in the real world Pahhahaha. The real world? I was hit as a child. It didn't work. " Same here, and my brother and sisters. I've got defiance issues because of it. And we all got better at hiding things from my dad so we didn't get hit more or just stayed away from our home. I've also been ok with abusive relationships for some reason...until i learned self worth in my 20s. Imo, if you have a learning difficulty that mean you can't resolve issues without violence then you need to stay away from people until you learn some patience and skills to deal with the issues. | |||
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"Nobody is going to put their head over the parapet on this one Ps sent to bed with no tea is devastating for them I've done it twice - it works Haha how old are your kids?? That would never work on older / teenage kids believe me! If I did that to mine, they'd laugh back at me! I get my kids where it really hurts... take away the WiFi box! Not just turn it off but unplug it and take it out with me. Sad but hey its a sign of modern times and games consoles. However doesn't always work! I believe a slap is OK and had some school teachers agree with me. Nothing that leaves a bruise though. Kids and teenagers these days are growing up with vile attitudes towards their elders. I'm a brill mum...always told this by two of mine and other people.... what I'm getting at is, it doesn't matter how great your parenting skills are, if a child / teenager wants to ignore you, do things their way and verbally abuse you every day, how do you stop them? My youngest son knows there's nothing I can do. Not really because we're not allowed to smack our kids anymore. Yes I do believe a slap doesn't cause lasting damage but does install a level of respect (such as a child knowing not to walk over / disrespect an adult). Taking away privileges only lasts for so long then it's back to groundhog day! . I've signed him up for police cadets so hopefully that'll teach him more about self discipline. Sorry to drone on and I hope I don't get shot down for my opinion. Well done and thank god for someone who lives in the real world Pahhahaha. The real world? I was hit as a child. It didn't work. " How would you describe yourself now as the adult you are and as a teenager? I'd hazard a guess and say you were a decent law abiding teenager and the same now as an adult. You were hit you say, it could be suggested there's a connection between that and you turning out the decent nice person you are today. What I'm getting at is plenty of teenagers or kids aren't smacked and look at how they've turned out! Our streets are full of disrespectful, law breaking kids / teenagers with no clear respect for their elders or anyone with a position of authority over them. Sometimes a slap is called for. | |||
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"Nobody is going to put their head over the parapet on this one Ps sent to bed with no tea is devastating for them I've done it twice - it works Haha how old are your kids?? That would never work on older / teenage kids believe me! If I did that to mine, they'd laugh back at me! I get my kids where it really hurts... take away the WiFi box! Not just turn it off but unplug it and take it out with me. Sad but hey its a sign of modern times and games consoles. However doesn't always work! I believe a slap is OK and had some school teachers agree with me. Nothing that leaves a bruise though. Kids and teenagers these days are growing up with vile attitudes towards their elders. I'm a brill mum...always told this by two of mine and other people.... what I'm getting at is, it doesn't matter how great your parenting skills are, if a child / teenager wants to ignore you, do things their way and verbally abuse you every day, how do you stop them? My youngest son knows there's nothing I can do. Not really because we're not allowed to smack our kids anymore. Yes I do believe a slap doesn't cause lasting damage but does install a level of respect (such as a child knowing not to walk over / disrespect an adult). Taking away privileges only lasts for so long then it's back to groundhog day! . I've signed him up for police cadets so hopefully that'll teach him more about self discipline. Sorry to drone on and I hope I don't get shot down for my opinion. Well done and thank god for someone who lives in the real world Pahhahaha. The real world? I was hit as a child. It didn't work. How would you describe yourself now as the adult you are and as a teenager? I'd hazard a guess and say you were a decent law abiding teenager and the same now as an adult. You were hit you say, it could be suggested there's a connection between that and you turning out the decent nice person you are today. What I'm getting at is plenty of teenagers or kids aren't smacked and look at how they've turned out! Our streets are full of disrespectful, law breaking kids / teenagers with no clear respect for their elders or anyone with a position of authority over them. Sometimes a slap is called for." I don't respect anyone who has hit me, not a single one. | |||
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"Smack away nothing wrong with it if that's what you think they deserve So if you do something wrong or deemed to be so, I can bop you one?" sure can and I'd expect it and deserve it | |||
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"Nobody is going to put their head over the parapet on this one Ps sent to bed with no tea is devastating for them I've done it twice - it works Haha how old are your kids?? That would never work on older / teenage kids believe me! If I did that to mine, they'd laugh back at me! I get my kids where it really hurts... take away the WiFi box! Not just turn it off but unplug it and take it out with me. Sad but hey its a sign of modern times and games consoles. However doesn't always work! I believe a slap is OK and had some school teachers agree with me. Nothing that leaves a bruise though. Kids and teenagers these days are growing up with vile attitudes towards their elders. I'm a brill mum...always told this by two of mine and other people.... what I'm getting at is, it doesn't matter how great your parenting skills are, if a child / teenager wants to ignore you, do things their way and verbally abuse you every day, how do you stop them? My youngest son knows there's nothing I can do. Not really because we're not allowed to smack our kids anymore. Yes I do believe a slap doesn't cause lasting damage but does install a level of respect (such as a child knowing not to walk over / disrespect an adult). Taking away privileges only lasts for so long then it's back to groundhog day! . I've signed him up for police cadets so hopefully that'll teach him more about self discipline. Sorry to drone on and I hope I don't get shot down for my opinion. Well done and thank god for someone who lives in the real world Pahhahaha. The real world? I was hit as a child. It didn't work. How would you describe yourself now as the adult you are and as a teenager? I'd hazard a guess and say you were a decent law abiding teenager and the same now as an adult. You were hit you say, it could be suggested there's a connection between that and you turning out the decent nice person you are today. What I'm getting at is plenty of teenagers or kids aren't smacked and look at how they've turned out! Our streets are full of disrespectful, law breaking kids / teenagers with no clear respect for their elders or anyone with a position of authority over them. Sometimes a slap is called for." I don't have the energy to.. no words. | |||
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"it shows that the adult has lost control..kid 1 adult 0.." I agree. Mindyou a while ago myself and my daughter walked past a guy in town who smacked his young son around the head,we were horrified. On that occasion I don't believe for one minute he lost control,he was laughing! | |||
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"it shows that the adult has lost control..kid 1 adult 0.. I agree. Mindyou a while ago myself and my daughter walked past a guy in town who smacked his young son around the head,we were horrified. On that occasion I don't believe for one minute he lost control,he was laughing! " Yea it's horrible to witness parents behaving like that. I saw a woman screaming "fatty" in her daughters face, she was about 4 . | |||
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"it shows that the adult has lost control..kid 1 adult 0.. I agree. Mindyou a while ago myself and my daughter walked past a guy in town who smacked his young son around the head,we were horrified. On that occasion I don't believe for one minute he lost control,he was laughing! Yea it's horrible to witness parents behaving like that. I saw a woman screaming "fatty" in her daughters face, she was about 4 ." I've intervened when I've witnessed someone slapping their child. Of course it's probably best not to but why should I stand there and not say anything while the poor child cries helplessly? | |||
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"it shows that the adult has lost control..kid 1 adult 0.. I agree. Mindyou a while ago myself and my daughter walked past a guy in town who smacked his young son around the head,we were horrified. On that occasion I don't believe for one minute he lost control,he was laughing! Yea it's horrible to witness parents behaving like that. I saw a woman screaming "fatty" in her daughters face, she was about 4 . I've intervened when I've witnessed someone slapping their child. Of course it's probably best not to but why should I stand there and not say anything while the poor child cries helplessly? " If you feel its right and you're close enough there's no reason why not. | |||
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"Dilemma.... I am caught in the unenviable debate of whether it's fine to smack your kids to enforce discipline. Having not had the need to smack mine I can't enforce the side of smacking is the way forward, however having listened to the opposing side I find it hard to believe that verbal intervention can possibly be the way forward in the situation I am hearing about. Views people..... What do we think? " I have a 4 year nephew, their parents are one of the 'don't do that it's naughty' parents. In my eyes the kid gets away with murder, as their older child got brought up very strictly. I will add the older one got shouted at when she did wrong growing, then her mum talked to her to tell her what she had done wrong. She seemed to learn what was right and what was wrong, needless to say no one seems to want to babysit the nephew. | |||
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"I was beaten as a child. Bruised and injured. So was my mother I hated my dad as I grew and promised when I reached the age of 18 I would take my revenge. I never did. I love my father now and almost understand why he was like he was. Forgiven. Because he's my dad. I'd hate my own children to be scared of me coming home. Saying that my youngest is 19 just under 6'4 size 13 shoe and built like a southafrican rugby player, he'd probably laugh at me if I tried to give him a slap " There's a difference between beating your kid and giving it a smack in the back of the hand, bottom My father was very violent but I wouldn't compair what he did to somebody giving the child a bit of a smack for being naughty | |||
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"I don't know to be honest, I was smacked as a kid and it didn't do me any harm, though I have chosen not to have kids. (I don't like them) I personally think there is no deterrent for kids nowadays, how far do you really get with words? I mean a healthy fear of my parents was enough for me, but then I don't have kids so I may have old fashioned virtues. " Same here on all counts. I was warned once, twice, third time slap to the back of the legs. Taught me respect, to listen and do as I'm told. | |||
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"I think smacking is totally fine ....(once nice hard and firm) I only ever got smacked once .... Never needed a second go! You want to take a tv or game console or chocolate away ... I call that child abuse !!! " Wow are we really living in a society where taking away a game's console or chocolate is _iewed as child abuse? Seriously? A games console is an essential now days? | |||
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"I think smacking is totally fine ....(once nice hard and firm) I only ever got smacked once .... Never needed a second go! You want to take a tv or game console or chocolate away ... I call that child abuse !!! Wow are we really living in a society where taking away a game's console or chocolate is _iewed as child abuse? Seriously? A games console is an essential now days? " Yeah they play with their friends online and stuff an it keeps them out of trouble roaming the streets and stuff .... Getting d*unk at the local park you know the things kids do ! Anyway if your against it your a tree hugging hippy with a heart of gold .... No offence but with fear comes respect ......with respect comes manners and so on | |||
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"I think smacking is totally fine ....(once nice hard and firm) I only ever got smacked once .... Never needed a second go! You want to take a tv or game console or chocolate away ... I call that child abuse !!! Wow are we really living in a society where taking away a game's console or chocolate is _iewed as child abuse? Seriously? A games console is an essential now days? Yeah they play with their friends online and stuff an it keeps them out of trouble roaming the streets and stuff .... Getting d*unk at the local park you know the things kids do ! Anyway if your against it your a tree hugging hippy with a heart of gold .... No offence but with fear comes respect ......with respect comes manners and so on " I regualr took my kids mobile phones etc off them if I felt the deserved it, how long for depended on what they had done, they didn't go out getting d*unk because if they had their phones took off them for misbehaving they also wasn't going out I doubt child line would have got social service involved had I been reported | |||
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"I think smacking is totally fine ....(once nice hard and firm) I only ever got smacked once .... Never needed a second go! You want to take a tv or game console or chocolate away ... I call that child abuse !!! " That is a joke right,you're not actually serious are you! | |||
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"I think smacking is totally fine ....(once nice hard and firm) I only ever got smacked once .... Never needed a second go! You want to take a tv or game console or chocolate away ... I call that child abuse !!! Wow are we really living in a society where taking away a game's console or chocolate is _iewed as child abuse? Seriously? A games console is an essential now days? Yeah they play with their friends online and stuff an it keeps them out of trouble roaming the streets and stuff .... Getting d*unk at the local park you know the things kids do ! Anyway if your against it your a tree hugging hippy with a heart of gold .... No offence but with fear comes respect ......with respect comes manners and so on I regualr took my kids mobile phones etc off them if I felt the deserved it, how long for depended on what they had done, they didn't go out getting d*unk because if they had their phones took off them for misbehaving they also wasn't going out I doubt child line would have got social service involved had I been reported " | |||
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"Well since I had access to the house phone the Internet and my brothers mobiles phones that would be a waste of time taking mine of me ..... Anyway smacking is fine by me ..... It was fine for me fine for my dad and his dad .... Don't know if my grandad got hit but my gran sure smacked my dad once I remember him telling me " So when you have children you will be violent towards them as well I presume. The children you're supposed to love and cherish you will physically cause them pain,yes? | |||
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"lets look at how kids are now to how they were thirty year ago. im not saying it is all down to discipline but i think it plays a big part. when i was a kid i had a fear of the consequences to my actions. if i stepped out of line i would get a cuff round the ear. so yes i think it should be allowed" How are kids compared to 30 years ago? All the kids I know are perfectly well behaved and they're not slapped. Rubbish statement. | |||
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"I think some people are confusing fear with respect. Children should respect their parents, not fear them. If I thought any human being, child or adult, feared me, i'd be horrified. " Correct | |||
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"my quotes isnt working on i phone for some reason so in response to harlots comment yeah kids are just little angels now arent they " | |||
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"my quotes isnt working on i phone for some reason so in response to harlots comment yeah kids are just little angels now arent they " You're sounding extremely ill informed. | |||
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"i m going to add that it doesnt take much to put fear into a child - my exes final nail was to physically attack me - hurt my daughter too and a few weeks after we moved out - i had to shout at her for something i took a step towards her and she cowered - she thought i was going to go for her like dad did - it broke me up and we ended up sobbing together - id never hit them " | |||
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"i m going to add that it doesnt take much to put fear into a child - my exes final nail was to physically attack me - hurt my daughter too and a few weeks after we moved out - i had to shout at her for something i took a step towards her and she cowered - she thought i was going to go for her like dad did - it broke me up and we ended up sobbing together - id never hit them " we are all good it was many years ago and my son says - as bad as it was it was the best thing that could have happened to us - some logic in there somewhere | |||
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"lets look at how kids are now to how they were thirty year ago. im not saying it is all down to discipline but i think it plays a big part. when i was a kid i had a fear of the consequences to my actions. if i stepped out of line i would get a cuff round the ear. so yes i think it should be allowed How are kids compared to 30 years ago? All the kids I know are perfectly well behaved and they're not slapped. Rubbish statement. " I think it depends where you live When i first left my ex i went to the council for help, because i had my name on the mortgage of the home i left they was reluctant to re home me so i was homed under being voluntary homeless which means they can put you anywhere, one offer you take or leave it, so i was put on a run down hard to let estste, the kids where a nightmear, police regular patroled the streets rounding up gangs of kids, some as young as 10 where out late at night When i sorted myself out and moved to where i live now, which is a new private estste, i dont have any problems with the local kids, they are all well behaved If you live in a run down area its easy to believe all kids are little sods now days | |||
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"I had a conversation with someone who thought it was ok to hit kids the other week, because it did him no harm. My thoughts were it obviously did do him some harm because he thinks hitting kids is ok " Irrefutable logic there Tina. | |||
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"i m going to add that it doesnt take much to put fear into a child - my exes final nail was to physically attack me - hurt my daughter too and a few weeks after we moved out - i had to shout at her for something i took a step towards her and she cowered - she thought i was going to go for her like dad did - it broke me up and we ended up sobbing together - id never hit them we are all good it was many years ago and my son says - as bad as it was it was the best thing that could have happened to us - some logic in there somewhere" and some people think it's acceptable to hit children! I hope when reading your experience they stop the next time they go to smack their own. I'm glad you managed to get away,I can only imagine what that must have been like for you all. Our home should be where we feel at our safest shouldn't it. | |||
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"i m going to add that it doesnt take much to put fear into a child - my exes final nail was to physically attack me - hurt my daughter too and a few weeks after we moved out - i had to shout at her for something i took a step towards her and she cowered - she thought i was going to go for her like dad did - it broke me up and we ended up sobbing together - id never hit them we are all good it was many years ago and my son says - as bad as it was it was the best thing that could have happened to us - some logic in there somewhere and some people think it's acceptable to hit children! I hope when reading your experience they stop the next time they go to smack their own. I'm glad you managed to get away,I can only imagine what that must have been like for you all. Our home should be where we feel at our safest shouldn't it." it was a one off thing but it was the last thing he ever did to us - we are all good - kids have grown up into beautiful caring people - and yes we should all have a safe place | |||
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"over a million crimes are commited in the uk by minors, as opposed to 600,000 on average during the 1980s. so yes i would say kids are worse now than thirty year ago" Gawd. It's horrible that you think hitting is the best way to stop kids committing crime. Really? | |||
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"If hitting kids is ok, is it also ok to hit adults if they do something wrong? If If my 89 year old father does something I think is wrong would it be ok for me to deck him one on the grounds that if I do t he will do it again?" No but its not ok to 'deck' a child either i see a world of difference between a small smack on the back of the hand to the abuse some are mentioning I dont think anybody thinks its ok to beat a child or hit them to the extent it causes long lasting physical damange into adulthood | |||
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"If hitting kids is ok, is it also ok to hit adults if they do something wrong? If If my 89 year old father does something I think is wrong would it be ok for me to deck him one on the grounds that if I do t he will do it again? No but its not ok to 'deck' a child either i see a world of difference between a small smack on the back of the hand to the abuse some are mentioning I dont think anybody thinks its ok to beat a child or hit them to the extent it causes long lasting physical damange into adulthood " | |||
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"I think the problem is its the only language some people know In all honestly some people have no idea how to control their kids unless smacking is involved Parenthood does not come with a user manual we all just do the best we can and for some that will involve a slap for others it will not Like everything we all have our own levels of whats acceptable and whats not but our way of rasing a child does not make us superior to others who raise their child in a different way I never hit my kids, mainly because i was beaten as a child to the point me and my sister was put into care, my dad was vile abusive alcholic and i swore id never raise a hand to my children But what he did wasnt giving us a slap when we were naughty, nor do i compair what he did to a partent giving their child a little smack on the bottom, its totally different If a see a mother slap her kids bottom who am i to judge her methods? if i saw a mother slap her kid in the face thats different, there is a difference between a little slap on the hand or bottom and child abuse " | |||
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"If hitting kids is ok, is it also ok to hit adults if they do something wrong? If If my 89 year old father does something I think is wrong would it be ok for me to deck him one on the grounds that if I do t he will do it again? No but its not ok to 'deck' a child either i see a world of difference between a small smack on the back of the hand to the abuse some are mentioning I dont think anybody thinks its ok to beat a child or hit them to the extent it causes long lasting physical damange into adulthood " At what point is the line drawn? | |||
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"There is a massive difference between slapping a child the had or leg and giving a child a beating, i was smacked as a child if i pushed things too far and I'll be honest I deserved it And yes I have smacked my kids in the past, when they have deserved it, when what they are doing is dangerous or they haven't listened to reason, It's all well and good speaking a child but they don't always listen and need a shock Who's to say that taking their stuff off them doesn't affect them physiological as much as a quick slap?" You may be right,but I'd rather take my children's phone off them or ground them for a day rather than slap them. | |||
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"I think some people are confusing fear with respect. Children should respect their parents, not fear them. If I thought any human being, child or adult, feared me, i'd be horrified. " I was afraid of my parents but I also respected them...I knew rules and boundaries and did not cross them...I think having a healthy fear of your parents is the first thing you learn to have respect for elders and authority.....if you go through life never having to smack your child that's fantastic but if that what it takes then so be it ..I think society is now a bit fucked and we have a generation of you can't tell me what to do because of the not giving a 4 year old a 500 phone for a few hours is classed as some sort of discipline....teaches them fuck all x | |||
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"I got smacked on the bum a few times as a kid. Short sharp and not particularly hard and it worked well. I never reached for the kettle lead again or crawled along the worktop towards the recently used hob. There is an absolutely massive difference between that (which probably saved me being burned/scalded) and "decking" ones child. If you think there is no difference then you're a fool. As for hitting adults in the same manner, it's unlikely to hurt but may well get you a punch in the neck. Most adults know not to do things that might hurt them. Those who don't are (or should be) in some form of care where they can't. " Smacking and decking are the same thing just at different places along the physical punishment spectrum, I'm not foolish enough to think there's no difference but neither am I fool enough to think that there's a difference between hitting a child and an adult unless of course people only don't hit adults for fear of being hit back. | |||
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"I think some people are confusing fear with respect. Children should respect their parents, not fear them. If I thought any human being, child or adult, feared me, i'd be horrified. I was afraid of my parents but I also respected them...I knew rules and boundaries and did not cross them...I think having a healthy fear of your parents is the first thing you learn to have respect for elders and authority.....if you go through life never having to smack your child that's fantastic but if that what it takes then so be it ..I think society is now a bit fucked and we have a generation of you can't tell me what to do because of the not giving a 4 year old a 500 phone for a few hours is classed as some sort of discipline....teaches them fuck all x" | |||
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"I think it's quite acceptable. If someone does not then that's fine too, they can bring their kids up the way they believe is best, but don't tell others how to bring up theirs. " | |||
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"I think it's quite acceptable. If someone does not then that's fine too, they can bring their kids up the way they believe is best, but don't tell others how to bring up theirs. " I can't find violence against kids acceptable. It doesn't matter how well meaning or how controlled or how gentle or where. I find it a shame that people validate it because they were hit as a child and it 'did no harm.' There is absolutely no part of me that could hit a child because I'd lost my rag, or because they weren't listening or because they did something that wasn't safe. I could deal with a situation in a multitude of ways without causing pain or humiliation. I have zero respect for my parents for using violence. I class them as pretty shit parents. It never worked and I'd be the kid standing there smirking saying...'that didn't hurt.' To which parents accepted the challenge and tried to make it hurt. I don't agree with raising children to have a 'healthy fear' of authority. I'd rather have a child that felt they could challenge authority if they felt it was the right thing to do and not be faced with a violent backlash. When I've seen children being hit by their parents in public I've stood and given a death stare. On a few occasions I've actually felt the need to voice my concern or disapproval and intervene. Who decided what kind of hitting is acceptable and what isn't? None. None of it is acceptable! I believe if a line is drawn and physical discipline was banned and children knew that society was saying violence towards children is totally unacceptable... then it might help a few realise that a situation they are in is actually abusive, rather than thinking it's the norm. | |||
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"I grew up when I knew my boundaries, why because when I over stepped the mark I got shouted at, if I did it again I got warned of a hiding, usually I ended up getting it due to pushing my luck too far. Did I fear my parents hell no, I lost all my respect for my father, but that was for something totally unrelated. I think that if you mention a punishment to a child, you should carry it through. " | |||
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"This really is a a difficult topic too speak about but should anybody really punished? Who really has the right or moral high ground too punish anybody or thing?" So we just leave sex offenders roaming the streets then? My children are my responsibility everything they do as a child comes back on me, I have ever rights to teach my kids right from wrong and if that involves some kind of punishment then so be it, its my duty as a mother to bring my kids up to be law abiding members of the community | |||
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"This really is a a difficult topic too speak about but should anybody really punished? Who really has the right or moral high ground too punish anybody or thing? So we just leave sex offenders roaming the streets then? My children are my responsibility everything they do as a child comes back on me, I have ever rights to teach my kids right from wrong and if that involves some kind of punishment then so be it, its my duty as a mother to bring my kids up to be law abiding members of the community " | |||
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"This really is a a difficult topic too speak about but should anybody really punished? Who really has the right or moral high ground too punish anybody or thing? So we just leave sex offenders roaming the streets then? My children are my responsibility everything they do as a child comes back on me, I have ever rights to teach my kids right from wrong and if that involves some kind of punishment then so be it, its my duty as a mother to bring my kids up to be law abiding members of the community " naughty those people who allegedly sentence those dirty cunts to prison are the most savage mob of peadophiles that roam the fucking earth. People are like arseholes love we all have an opinion so please don't jump on the moral high ground your opinion is as valid as mine | |||
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"This really is a a difficult topic too speak about but should anybody really punished? Who really has the right or moral high ground too punish anybody or thing? So we just leave sex offenders roaming the streets then? My children are my responsibility everything they do as a child comes back on me, I have ever rights to teach my kids right from wrong and if that involves some kind of punishment then so be it, its my duty as a mother to bring my kids up to be law abiding members of the community naughty those people who allegedly sentence those dirty cunts to prison are the most savage mob of peadophiles that roam the fucking earth. People are like arseholes love we all have an opinion so please don't jump on the moral high ground your opinion is as valid as mine" i should of said there opinions are like arsehole we've all got one lol | |||
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"over a million crimes are commited in the uk by minors, as opposed to 600,000 on average during the 1980s. so yes i would say kids are worse now than thirty year ago" I blame the Tories for closing the pits. Miners were too busy to commit crime whilst they were working | |||
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"I've done some things in the name of punishment to my daughter's witch I'm deeply ashamed about. Nothing violent but I have lost control. Pushing, smacking, shaking, swearing and saying nasty things. I was in a very bad place. That isn't an excuse just a fact. Xxx" I'd class pushing, smacking and shaking as violent. If I was stood in the office and my colleague shook, smacked or pushed me... It would be deemed violent? Yet when it's directed at a child... It's not. Seems common on this thread. | |||
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"I've done some things in the name of punishment to my daughter's witch I'm deeply ashamed about. Nothing violent but I have lost control. Pushing, smacking, shaking, swearing and saying nasty things. I was in a very bad place. That isn't an excuse just a fact. Xxx I'd class pushing, smacking and shaking as violent. If I was stood in the office and my colleague shook, smacked or pushed me... It would be deemed violent? Yet when it's directed at a child... It's not. Seems common on this thread. " There's no excuse and I'm not making one. I was ill. Thankfully my daughter's and have a very healthy relasionship because I had the strength to leave. Xxx | |||
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"I've done some things in the name of punishment to my daughter's witch I'm deeply ashamed about. Nothing violent but I have lost control. Pushing, smacking, shaking, swearing and saying nasty things. I was in a very bad place. That isn't an excuse just a fact. Xxx I'd class pushing, smacking and shaking as violent. If I was stood in the office and my colleague shook, smacked or pushed me... It would be deemed violent? Yet when it's directed at a child... It's not. Seems common on this thread. There's no excuse and I'm not making one. I was ill. Thankfully my daughter's and have a very healthy relasionship because I had the strength to leave. Xxx" Think you're very brave saying that, x | |||
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"I've done some things in the name of punishment to my daughter's witch I'm deeply ashamed about. Nothing violent but I have lost control. Pushing, smacking, shaking, swearing and saying nasty things. I was in a very bad place. That isn't an excuse just a fact. Xxx I'd class pushing, smacking and shaking as violent. If I was stood in the office and my colleague shook, smacked or pushed me... It would be deemed violent? Yet when it's directed at a child... It's not. Seems common on this thread. There's no excuse and I'm not making one. I was ill. Thankfully my daughter's and have a very healthy relasionship because I had the strength to leave. Xxx Think you're very brave saying that, x " Thank you. The most important thing is that I recognise that I was in the wrong. Xxx | |||
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"I don't know to be honest, I was smacked as a kid and it didn't do me any harm, though I have chosen not to have kids. (I don't like them) I personally think there is no deterrent for kids nowadays, how far do you really get with words? I mean a healthy fear of my parents was enough for me, but then I don't have kids so I may have old fashioned virtues. " | |||
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"I've done some things in the name of punishment to my daughter's witch I'm deeply ashamed about. Nothing violent but I have lost control. Pushing, smacking, shaking, swearing and saying nasty things. I was in a very bad place. That isn't an excuse just a fact. Xxx I'd class pushing, smacking and shaking as violent. If I was stood in the office and my colleague shook, smacked or pushed me... It would be deemed violent? Yet when it's directed at a child... It's not. Seems common on this thread. There's no excuse and I'm not making one. I was ill. Thankfully my daughter's and have a very healthy relasionship because I had the strength to leave. Xxx" You knew it was wrong. You took steps to sort it. Many people would justify their behaviour instead. | |||
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"I smacked my mum back when she smacked me. She didn't like it and didn't do it again. I am constantly amazed that people think it's ok to assault children." i bit my mum to try and get her to let go of me - only being taken inside not to drag me away from danger - so she bit me back - ok i never did it again but jees - i was about 3 | |||
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"I've done some things in the name of punishment to my daughter's witch I'm deeply ashamed about. Nothing violent but I have lost control. Pushing, smacking, shaking, swearing and saying nasty things. I was in a very bad place. That isn't an excuse just a fact. Xxx I'd class pushing, smacking and shaking as violent. If I was stood in the office and my colleague shook, smacked or pushed me... It would be deemed violent? Yet when it's directed at a child... It's not. Seems common on this thread. There's no excuse and I'm not making one. I was ill. Thankfully my daughter's and have a very healthy relasionship because I had the strength to leave. Xxx You knew it was wrong. You took steps to sort it. Many people would justify their behaviour instead. " I'm a much better mother now. xxx | |||
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"In my opinion, discipline starts from day one. As a newborn baby, they need routine as much as the care and loving. They will naturally try to push the boundaries as they don't know where they are yet. I have four children and have found that to be key. As they get a little older of course the tactic changes, sometimes there just isn't time to sit down and have a chat about what they did wrong. Sometimes a short sharp shock is what is needed as a deterrent associated with whatever they were doing or about to do. I am speaking about things that could be potentially dangerous, like running towards a road and not stopping when you tell them, about to reach up for something which may harm themselves. I have employed that tactic with all of my kids and honestly, by the time they are at School I never needed to give anymore short sharp shocks. As someone else said, a look was enough. I love all my kids to bits as any parent does, and when I had to chastise them it truly used to break me but it was for their own safety. My kids are all grown up now with the youngest being 15 and as tall as me, and I am very proud of how they have turned out. I'm now taking cover to receive 'Incoming' " I don't think tapping a kid firmly on a hand that's reaching for a boiling kettle is the same as deliberately inflicting pain in order to reinforce the message that certain behaviour isn't acceptable. I recall seeing a 10 year old boy caned in front of the entire school when I was 9 that was enough to convince me that inflicting pain and humiliation on a child is not the way forward. | |||
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"In my opinion, discipline starts from day one. As a newborn baby, they need routine as much as the care and loving. They will naturally try to push the boundaries as they don't know where they are yet. I have four children and have found that to be key. As they get a little older of course the tactic changes, sometimes there just isn't time to sit down and have a chat about what they did wrong. Sometimes a short sharp shock is what is needed as a deterrent associated with whatever they were doing or about to do. I am speaking about things that could be potentially dangerous, like running towards a road and not stopping when you tell them, about to reach up for something which may harm themselves. I have employed that tactic with all of my kids and honestly, by the time they are at School I never needed to give anymore short sharp shocks. As someone else said, a look was enough. I love all my kids to bits as any parent does, and when I had to chastise them it truly used to break me but it was for their own safety. My kids are all grown up now with the youngest being 15 and as tall as me, and I am very proud of how they have turned out. I'm now taking cover to receive 'Incoming' I don't think tapping a kid firmly on a hand that's reaching for a boiling kettle is the same as deliberately inflicting pain in order to reinforce the message that certain behaviour isn't acceptable. I recall seeing a 10 year old boy caned in front of the entire school when I was 9 that was enough to convince me that inflicting pain and humiliation on a child is not the way forward." I wholeheartedly agree with you on that one! That is more of a power kick for the teacher and shouldn't be allowed.....which of course it isn't now. | |||
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" I don't think tapping a kid firmly on a hand that's reaching for a boiling kettle is the same as deliberately inflicting pain in order to reinforce the message that certain behaviour isn't acceptable. I recall seeing a 10 year old boy caned in front of the entire school when I was 9 that was enough to convince me that inflicting pain and humiliation on a child is not the way forward. I wholeheartedly agree with you on that one! That is more of a power kick for the teacher and shouldn't be allowed.....which of course it isn't now." My point made further up was that its difficult to know where the line should be drawn, what degree of pain is acceptable? I don't even want to start thinking like that in connection with anybody I love. | |||
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" I don't think tapping a kid firmly on a hand that's reaching for a boiling kettle is the same as deliberately inflicting pain in order to reinforce the message that certain behaviour isn't acceptable. I recall seeing a 10 year old boy caned in front of the entire school when I was 9 that was enough to convince me that inflicting pain and humiliation on a child is not the way forward. I wholeheartedly agree with you on that one! That is more of a power kick for the teacher and shouldn't be allowed.....which of course it isn't now. My point made further up was that its difficult to know where the line should be drawn, what degree of pain is acceptable? I don't even want to start thinking like that in connection with anybody I love." I know what you mean, best not to think about it, thankfully it was abolished years ago. In relation to the short sharp shock, it's not really about the pain in my experience and more about literally that shock. I just has to be enough to focus the attention, followed up with a very firm 'NO' and then explain what they did wrong. | |||
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