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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

www.independent.co.uk/voices/liberal-democrat-dennis-parsons-is-wrong-prostitution-is-abuse-not-a-career-to-aspire-to-a7314786.html

A Liberal Democrat councillor said schools could suggest prostitution as a career choice for pupils, at a party conference.

Dennis Parsons, chairman of the Cheltenham Lib Dems, made the off-hand suggestion at a special session in Brighton on sex work.

The father-of-five said school career advisors are currently not allowed to mention prostitution as a line of work, then added: ‘Why shouldn’t they?’

He also compared prostitution to accountancy in a debate to combat the stigma attached to sex work.

Mr Parsons said: ‘The fact that we are asking ‘should we seek to prevent people entering sex work?’ is part of the problem.

‘You wouldn’t ask the question ‘should we prevent people becoming accountants?’ You’d just take it for granted.

He's now resigned from his position which I think is a real shame.

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

Hmm..interesting.

Use to regret not taking Actuary/Statistic...but maybe not anymore.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A very liberal view.... Would I want teachers suggesting sex work to my child... Er no! But do I feel that sex workers being more open about their work and being allowed to work in groups for safety is important... Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well...... I was a trainee accountant, and I feel sex work can be empowering. If more women were willing to pay for sex, I could imagine it being quite fun for me!

I also feel the best things in life (such as sex) cannot be bought so I do hate the idea of buying sex for myself. It has taken me a long time to realise my distain for sex work was my beleifs, not my concern over the welfare of the sex workers. I was projecting in this instance.

There's also the problem of how do we empower people more generally, why do people go into sex work in the first place? Unfortunalty a lot of the time it's due to economic necessity, and I beleive it's these people we need to help. Maybe it's because they are adicted to something, maybe its because they have fallen through the social security net, maybe it's because they can't get a conventional job - But whatever it is these people need support. Prostitution needs to be a choice for people, but a choice once all other means of support have been explored fully. What I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with people choseing prositution, but it needs to be where there's proper opportunities to manage addictions, become educated, recieve benefits and have other jobs.

Another problem with sex work is that it is in a lot of ways a very shadowy part of the economy where the business of sex work is tied up with human trafficing, pimps, drugs and other illegal activities. This creates a vicous cycle. Much like prohibition in america made gave the shadow economy in america a great boost, not treating sex work in an open way also makes sex work associated with the shadow economy. Part of the reason why sex work is looked down upon is because it's within the shadow economy, but once we actually normalise it, it will become like any other sector of the economy - as has happened with alcohol in america.

In summary I feel that if people are offered proper opportunities, we stop projecting our distain of having to pay for something we feel should be free onto the sex workers and we have a liberal attitude to sex there's no reason why we should treat sex work any differently than any other type of work. But that will only happen when society becomes more liberal, and we give everyone the opportunities so that they arn't forced into this work. We also engage in this self fulfilling cycle where sex workers are not treated like any other worker, so the shadow economy plays a part in the sex trade and that is what gives a reason for sex workers not to be treated like other workers.

If people want to question sex work they need to first question how liberal society is and how it protects its most vulnerable members. It must also realise that if sex work is pushed underground it will become part of the underground economy and its reputation will therefore suffer.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

I really don't know the answer to this although I suspect that I have a good idea.

How many who work as prostitutes do so as a career choice as opposed to necessity?

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By *iSTARessWoman
over a year ago

London

Wow, that's truly refreshing to hear and a shame he's gone. I'm proud to be a sex worker. OK my line is less about straight up sex and more cerebral but I know many happy hookers.

Laws and views on sex workers in the UK still sucks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not convinced we should encourage sex work as a career choice, because the industry as it stands is rife with abuse, addiction, trafficking and modern day slavery. If it was properly regulated, no one was being abused, trafficked, or hooked on drugs, then it would be a different consideration, but it isn't and you can't base this kind of argument on what you would like something to be rather than what something actually is.

That said, I've recruited loads of people in accounting jobs and the best accountants are always those who did or studied something else first, not those who set out on a career path to do it from the age of 16, so I wouldn't be encouraging schoolchildren to study accountancy either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure I may have paid more attention at school if they offered this. Not sure my parents would have been too chuffed if I had came home going hey Dad I have a GCSE in pimping!

Flippancy aside. Awareness is a great idea but prostitution as a viable career choice not so much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good point - Many sex workers don't see it as a career, most would see it as just a job or hobby that brings in extra cash.

Try to get your school career advisor to become excited about your prospects if you wanted to become a writer, painter or footballer. Can you imagine going to a school or training camp teaching you about sex lol

I think the point is seeing sex work as a legitimate economic activity.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't know the answer to this although I suspect that I have a good idea.

How many who work as prostitutes do so as a career choice as opposed to necessity?"

depends what Country you live in , and different attitudes to prostitution ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I watched a porno the other night about a Danish Fuk house ?

Are those things real ?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I think it's a real shame that he resigned too.

The question needs discussion and bringing out in to the open. I think there's a place for sex workers in society. So many people are denied close human contact for one reason or another why shouldn't they be able to access that from safe, clean, regulated sources without stigma?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it's a real shame that he resigned too.

The question needs discussion and bringing out in to the open. I think there's a place for sex workers in society. So many people are denied close human contact for one reason or another why shouldn't they be able to access that from safe, clean, regulated sources without stigma?"

I agree

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I think it's a real shame that he resigned too.

The question needs discussion and bringing out in to the open. I think there's a place for sex workers in society. So many people are denied close human contact for one reason or another why shouldn't they be able to access that from safe, clean, regulated sources without stigma?

I agree "

Mind you I would rather my kids didn't go in to sex work if I'm honest with myself, I acknowledge that's hypocritical of me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it's a real shame that he resigned too.

The question needs discussion and bringing out in to the open. I think there's a place for sex workers in society. So many people are denied close human contact for one reason or another why shouldn't they be able to access that from safe, clean, regulated sources without stigma?

I agree

Mind you I would rather my kids didn't go in to sex work if I'm honest with myself, I acknowledge that's hypocritical of me."

I also agree with this

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I think it's a real shame that he resigned too.

The question needs discussion and bringing out in to the open. I think there's a place for sex workers in society. So many people are denied close human contact for one reason or another why shouldn't they be able to access that from safe, clean, regulated sources without stigma?

I agree

Mind you I would rather my kids didn't go in to sex work if I'm honest with myself, I acknowledge that's hypocritical of me.

I also agree with this "

What? That I'm a hypocrite

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I watched a porno the other night about a Danish Fuk house ?

Are those things real ?"

is your keyboard missing a 'c'

we are all adults here...you can say fuck

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Wow, that's truly refreshing to hear and a shame he's gone. I'm proud to be a sex worker. OK my line is less about straight up sex and more cerebral but I know many happy hookers.

Laws and views on sex workers in the UK still sucks "

There's loads of job roles in sex work. I know of pro dommes that love their 'job'.

I think he was right to stir debate and I think it's really crap that he resigned. No doubt due to the idiots that thought he literally meant 16 year olds should be invited into prostitution.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Well...... I was a trainee accountant, and I feel sex work can be empowering. If more women were willing to pay for sex, I could imagine it being quite fun for me!

I also feel the best things in life (such as sex) cannot be bought so I do hate the idea of buying sex for myself. It has taken me a long time to realise my distain for sex work was my beleifs, not my concern over the welfare of the sex workers. I was projecting in this instance.

There's also the problem of how do we empower people more generally, why do people go into sex work in the first place? Unfortunalty a lot of the time it's due to economic necessity, and I beleive it's these people we need to help. Maybe it's because they are adicted to something, maybe its because they have fallen through the social security net, maybe it's because they can't get a conventional job - But whatever it is these people need support. Prostitution needs to be a choice for people, but a choice once all other means of support have been explored fully. What I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with people choseing prositution, but it needs to be where there's proper opportunities to manage addictions, become educated, recieve benefits and have other jobs.

Another problem with sex work is that it is in a lot of ways a very shadowy part of the economy where the business of sex work is tied up with human trafficing, pimps, drugs and other illegal activities. This creates a vicous cycle. Much like prohibition in america made gave the shadow economy in america a great boost, not treating sex work in an open way also makes sex work associated with the shadow economy. Part of the reason why sex work is looked down upon is because it's within the shadow economy, but once we actually normalise it, it will become like any other sector of the economy - as has happened with alcohol in america.

In summary I feel that if people are offered proper opportunities, we stop projecting our distain of having to pay for something we feel should be free onto the sex workers and we have a liberal attitude to sex there's no reason why we should treat sex work any differently than any other type of work. But that will only happen when society becomes more liberal, and we give everyone the opportunities so that they arn't forced into this work. We also engage in this self fulfilling cycle where sex workers are not treated like any other worker, so the shadow economy plays a part in the sex trade and that is what gives a reason for sex workers not to be treated like other workers.

If people want to question sex work they need to first question how liberal society is and how it protects its most vulnerable members. It must also realise that if sex work is pushed underground it will become part of the underground economy and its reputation will therefore suffer. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"...

I think the point is seeing sex work as a legitimate economic activity....."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not convinced we should encourage sex work as a career choice, because the industry as it stands is rife with abuse, addiction, trafficking and modern day slavery. If it was properly regulated, no one was being abused, trafficked, or hooked on drugs, then it would be a different consideration, but it isn't and you can't base this kind of argument on what you would like something to be rather than what something actually is.

That said, I've recruited loads of people in accounting jobs and the best accountants are always those who did or studied something else first, not those who set out on a career path to do it from the age of 16, so I wouldn't be encouraging schoolchildren to study accountancy either. "

He should have gone with porngraphy rather than prostitution.

I wouldn't be happy about the matter mentioned in school because it's not safe for the women involved. Porn is somewhat better in that respect, although not perfect.

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By *ifferent69Man
over a year ago

BRIGHTON, UK


"Wow, that's truly refreshing to hear and a shame he's gone. I'm proud to be a sex worker. OK my line is less about straight up sex and more cerebral but I know many happy hookers.

Laws and views on sex workers in the UK still sucks "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm an accountant, however my kids seem to know more about sex than accounting so I think potentially it's a good idea to let them know about all things they could do in life, not sure about thensex industry though as they, compared to other industries is and should be kept purely for adults.

However if they were taught about prostitution or other jobs of a sexual nature that it be taught alongside good sexual education on safe sex, self defence and self awareness as well as you never know what may happen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well...... I was a trainee accountant, and I feel sex work can be empowering. If more women were willing to pay for sex, I could imagine it being quite fun for me!

I also feel the best things in life (such as sex) cannot be bought so I do hate the idea of buying sex for myself. It has taken me a long time to realise my distain for sex work was my beleifs, not my concern over the welfare of the sex workers. I was projecting in this instance.

There's also the problem of how do we empower people more generally, why do people go into sex work in the first place? Unfortunalty a lot of the time it's due to economic necessity, and I beleive it's these people we need to help. Maybe it's because they are adicted to something, maybe its because they have fallen through the social security net, maybe it's because they can't get a conventional job - But whatever it is these people need support. Prostitution needs to be a choice for people, but a choice once all other means of support have been explored fully. What I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with people choseing prositution, but it needs to be where there's proper opportunities to manage addictions, become educated, recieve benefits and have other jobs.

Another problem with sex work is that it is in a lot of ways a very shadowy part of the economy where the business of sex work is tied up with human trafficing, pimps, drugs and other illegal activities. This creates a vicous cycle. Much like prohibition in america made gave the shadow economy in america a great boost, not treating sex work in an open way also makes sex work associated with the shadow economy. Part of the reason why sex work is looked down upon is because it's within the shadow economy, but once we actually normalise it, it will become like any other sector of the economy - as has happened with alcohol in america.

In summary I feel that if people are offered proper opportunities, we stop projecting our distain of having to pay for something we feel should be free onto the sex workers and we have a liberal attitude to sex there's no reason why we should treat sex work any differently than any other type of work. But that will only happen when society becomes more liberal, and we give everyone the opportunities so that they arn't forced into this work. We also engage in this self fulfilling cycle where sex workers are not treated like any other worker, so the shadow economy plays a part in the sex trade and that is what gives a reason for sex workers not to be treated like other workers.

If people want to question sex work they need to first question how liberal society is and how it protects its most vulnerable members. It must also realise that if sex work is pushed underground it will become part of the underground economy and its reputation will therefore suffer. "

What a well thought out and articulated post.

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By *ifferent69Man
over a year ago

BRIGHTON, UK

Hhhmm?? Another one of those devisive comments by persons looking for reaction.

I,m not a father, even so if I were ...not sure I,d want a career officer suggesting prostitution as a option . For start I dislike term " prostitute" I prefer " sex entrepreneur worker".

However, we forget with such easy access to online,mobile porn and adult sites. Children are exposed to it whether willingly or not at a much earlier age than my generation. Curiosity will always get will encourage awkward questions.

Also with the explosion of escort services available it would help to elieviate the potential embarrassment of child at a later age finding out that there legal guardian had this as a vehicle of income.

Hope I made sense there.

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By *ifferent69Man
over a year ago

BRIGHTON, UK

To cont..

Must remember also in umbrella of diversity, ethical and equality puts constraints on career officer making suggestion.

Though it would help children decide for themselfs the relation between love, and sex to entirely different human needs.

Though where making sex only and solely available within a loving relationship and only way this obtainable is unfare,bias and delusional.

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By *lactontogMan
over a year ago

Clacton on Sea

Some of you have made really good points on sex workers & some still have Victorian attitudes even though you are swingers on a swinging forum lol.

The Tory government are on mission to stop all what they class immoral activities & jobs.

The porn industry as been slowly destroyed & new laws will see escorting & brothels legal but guys paying for sex will get arrested/fined, the government are cleverly changing the law to look like its improving work conditions for escorts but by making it illegal for people to pay for sex they know it will effect their income seriously.

Councils already class paid swinging parties as immoral earnings so once the porn & escort industry have been decimated who do you think they will hit next...

The sex industry in the UK is run like any other business by mostly nice people but you will get the odd arseholes like any other work sector.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I could do with a career change.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's a pity if such open minded thinking has led to his resignation.

We go backwards sometimes

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