FabSwingers.com forum: Police and Burkhas

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Headline in Today's press. Chief Constable of West Midlands has said he would be happy for his officers to wear full on Burkha face masks.... Thoughts?

Would this reflect the ethnic diversity of the region or is it just madness?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I wouldnt be happy to be stopped and questioned by someones face i couldnt see

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd be all, "scuse me awfisir, you is avin a giraffe!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Headline in Today's press. Chief Constable of West Midlands has said he would be happy for his officers to wear full on Burkha face masks.... Thoughts?

Would this reflect the ethnic diversity of the region or is it just madness?"

The only madness ive seen is gun carrying french police ordering women to remove their burkha.

And I think it just shows how scared the west is over islam.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Talk about misquoted.

He said if a recruit asked to wear a Burkha while on duty they'd have to consider it as they're an equal opportunities employer. They'd also have to consider the negative effect it may have on their ability to interact with the public.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen."

But there's no story in that. Twisting it makes for a nice Islamaphobic pc's gone mad story to whip people in to an indignant frenzy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen."

Ahhhhhhhhh!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen."

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense.

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By *litheroevoyeurMan
over a year ago

Clitheroe

"Headline in Today's press. Chief Constable of West Midlands has said he would be happy for his officers to wear full on Burkha face masks.... Thoughts?

Would this reflect the ethnic diversity of the region or is it just madness?

The only madness ive seen is gun carrying french police ordering women to remove their burkha.

And I think it just shows how scared the west is over islam. "

It isn't about being scared of Islam, it is about seeing who is behind the covering for security reasons. No different to being asked to remove a crash helmet or balaclava in business premises.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

But there's no story in that. Twisting it makes for a nice Islamaphobic pc's gone mad story to whip people in to an indignant frenzy"

It also shows that so many people are fucking idiots and can't see when they're being spoon fed racist propaganda.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

But there's no story in that. Twisting it makes for a nice Islamaphobic pc's gone mad story to whip people in to an indignant frenzy"

Westerners that defend lslam either have no concept of their beliefs, theology and traditions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

But there's no story in that. Twisting it makes for a nice Islamaphobic pc's gone mad story to whip people in to an indignant frenzy

It also shows that so many people are fucking idiots and can't see when they're being spoon fed racist propaganda."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

But there's no story in that. Twisting it makes for a nice Islamaphobic pc's gone mad story to whip people in to an indignant frenzy

It also shows that so many people are fucking idiots and can't see when they're being spoon fed racist propaganda."

Bingo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense."

Sadly though, causing offence usually has negative consequences which he was probably well aware of and trying to avoid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Headline in Today's press. Chief Constable of West Midlands has said he would be happy for his officers to wear full on Burkha face masks.... Thoughts?

Would this reflect the ethnic diversity of the region or is it just madness?"

Wont happen in Scotland, too cold for eh up here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

But there's no story in that. Twisting it makes for a nice Islamaphobic pc's gone mad story to whip people in to an indignant frenzy

It also shows that so many people are fucking idiots and can't see when they're being spoon fed racist propaganda."

Muslims aren't a race, there are Black, Asian and Oriental Muslims.

l'm sorry, but l don't think too highly of a Prophet that takes slaves and marries child brides at 6 years old (Aisha) and murders Jews and Christians. Compare that to Jesus; wifeless, childless and pacifist.

lf that makes me racist then l am 100% racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

But there's no story in that. Twisting it makes for a nice Islamaphobic pc's gone mad story to whip people in to an indignant frenzy

It also shows that so many people are fucking idiots and can't see when they're being spoon fed racist propaganda.

Muslims aren't a race, there are Black, Asian and Oriental Muslims.

lf that makes me racist then l am 100% racist."

Don't want to get too heavy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

But there's no story in that. Twisting it makes for a nice Islamaphobic pc's gone mad story to whip people in to an indignant frenzy

It also shows that so many people are fucking idiots and can't see when they're being spoon fed racist propaganda.

Muslims aren't a race, there are Black, Asian and Oriental Muslims.

lf that makes me racist then l am 100% racist."

What are your thoughts on the Christian crusaders then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Headline in Today's press. Chief Constable of West Midlands has said he would be happy for his officers to wear full on Burkha face masks.... Thoughts?

Would this reflect the ethnic diversity of the region or is it just madness?

The only madness ive seen is gun carrying french police ordering women to remove their burkha.

And I think it just shows how scared the west is over islam. "

Yes, that was disgraceful, people need to remember that it's only a very small number of individuals that are terrorists, most are law abiding citizens following their religion. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

But there's no story in that. Twisting it makes for a nice Islamaphobic pc's gone mad story to whip people in to an indignant frenzy

It also shows that so many people are fucking idiots and can't see when they're being spoon fed racist propaganda.

Muslims aren't a race, there are Black, Asian and Oriental Muslims.

lf that makes me racist then l am 100% racist."

What about musslims who weren't born in the Middle East?

Also it isn't just musslims who have killed others because of religion or beliefs. That's happend through out time.

I suppose vicars fiddling alter boys is ok though right??

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

The Wild Wetness

Ah well I see this has already decended into a rumble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

But there's no story in that. Twisting it makes for a nice Islamaphobic pc's gone mad story to whip people in to an indignant frenzy

It also shows that so many people are fucking idiots and can't see when they're being spoon fed racist propaganda.

Muslims aren't a race, there are Black, Asian and Oriental Muslims.

lf that makes me racist then l am 100% racist."

Sorry but I have lost the thread of the argument here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

But there's no story in that. Twisting it makes for a nice Islamaphobic pc's gone mad story to whip people in to an indignant frenzy

It also shows that so many people are fucking idiots and can't see when they're being spoon fed racist propaganda.

Muslims aren't a race, there are Black, Asian and Oriental Muslims.

lf that makes me racist then l am 100% racist.

What are your thoughts on the Christian crusaders then?

l think it happened nearly 1000 years ago and that it was bad and when the masses couldn't read the Bible. Muslim still are not allowed to read the Quran in anything but 6th century Arabic. Most Muslims are not Arabic speakers.

What do you think of the lslamic caliphate of Spain that? Or is colonialism on bad when pale people and Christians do it?

lf you want to discuss it further, message me. Don't want to stink up the forum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

But there's no story in that. Twisting it makes for a nice Islamaphobic pc's gone mad story to whip people in to an indignant frenzy

It also shows that so many people are fucking idiots and can't see when they're being spoon fed racist propaganda.

Muslims aren't a race, there are Black, Asian and Oriental Muslims.

lf that makes me racist then l am 100% racist.

What are your thoughts on the Christian crusaders then?

What do you think of the lslamic caliphate of Spain that? Or is colonialism on bad when pale people and Christians do it?

lf you want to discuss it further, message me. Don't want to stink up the forum."

A little too late for that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

But there's no story in that. Twisting it makes for a nice Islamaphobic pc's gone mad story to whip people in to an indignant frenzy

It also shows that so many people are fucking idiots and can't see when they're being spoon fed racist propaganda.

Muslims aren't a race, there are Black, Asian and Oriental Muslims.

lf that makes me racist then l am 100% racist.

What are your thoughts on the Christian crusaders then?

What do you think of the lslamic caliphate of Spain that? Or is colonialism on bad when pale people and Christians do it?

lf you want to discuss it further, message me. Don't want to stink up the forum.

A little too late for that

Ah well. No use crying over split milk.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

Can't see it working;

Much of police work is personal interaction;

To calm a situation, to engage with someone; you need eye contact and facial expression;

Indeed , over 50% of " verbal" communication is in the eye contact and facial expression, that puts context into what you say.

( first rules we taught our soldiers, in peacekeeping, is to never wear sunglasses when negotiating)

How is someone with face covered , going to intervene in a tense situation, and negotiate a stressed situation into something manageable?

Or even gain the confidence of the locals, when " on the beat"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the world had any sence it would ban and outlaw all religions and religious symbols therefore as JL put it "we can live as one"

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

The Wild Wetness

"If the world had any sence it would ban and outlaw all religions and religious symbols therefore as JL put it "we can live as one""

My view is a sensible world would ban far fewer things not more.

This is not about freedom though it's a trust issue.

Someone wearing a full face covering working in a call centre or as a stock broker is not really going to impede their job performance.

Someone who deals face to face with the public may find that it does.

Out of work any woman should be free to wear what she wants from a bikini to a burka.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

lf that makes me racist then l am 100% racist."

Not racist, but perhaps a little close-minded?

In the 6th century Christianity had already gone seriously off-track from Jesus's teachings and Islam was meant to bring religion back into line.

The Catholic nuns near us all wear head coverings. AND they used to regularly bomb pubs, shops n stuff (not so much the nuns admittedly, but surely if they were the same religion as the terrorists, they must have been involved somehow)

Perhaps we should just stone 'em all to death? And those atheists, they're just as bad, I've seen some of them wearing hats n scarves.

If only Jesus had given us some sort of advice about getting along with each other (and stoning people...)

Mr ddc

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

The Wild Wetness

Look north Korea will sort it all out soon enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would never happen. A woman from the cultural tradition which espouses the full face being covered is not a woman who would be joining the police force, or probably working at all. If her and her family's beliefs around dress are so traditional, their beliefs around the roles of men and women are likely to be extremely traditional too. I'm sure there will be exceptions but I'd have thought these were very small in number. It's a non issue. And also not what he said anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The most crazy thing i ever saw was a police motor cyclists waring a turban instead of a helmet with a chequered blue & white band around it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense."

Can you define "our culture"? Because I suspect tha thr definition of western culture from a man who only yesterday was bemoaning the leftist agenda of the hatry Potter books and hugely offended by Dumbledore's sexualityat nit actually be that representative of 'our culture' as seen by more liberal types

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"The most crazy thing i ever saw was a police motor cyclists waring a turban instead of a helmet with a chequered blue & white band around it."

Actually that strikes me as the epitome of English eccentricity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a liberal type, I thought all swingers were liberal.

How wrong was I?!

I've seen some putrid comments from various cacophonous looking people 'ere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The most crazy thing i ever saw was a police motor cyclists waring a turban instead of a helmet with a chequered blue & white band around it.

Actually that strikes me as the epitome of English eccentricity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lf that makes me racist then l am 100% racist.

Not racist, but perhaps a little close-minded?

In the 6th century Christianity had already gone seriously off-track from Jesus's teachings and Islam was meant to bring religion back into line.

Perhaps we should just stone 'em all to death? And those atheists, they're just as bad, I've seen some of them wearing hats n scarves.

If only Jesus had given us some sort of advice about getting along with each other (and stoning people...)

Mr ddc"

lslam wasn't meant to bring it back in line. They don't even think he was crucified.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense.

Our culture of Western values, freedom of press, freedom of speech and the rule of law, the separation from state and church. Have you ever read the Quran, Hadith or the history of it and of Muhammed? lf not then you have no leg to stand on.

Now you are just looking silly. l said Dumbledore being gay last minute was contrived. To say that l was highly offend is just hysterical.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The most crazy thing i ever saw was a police motor cyclists waring a turban instead of a helmet with a chequered blue & white band around it."

That's great. The Sikhs are more British than many of the natives now. Very accepting religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm a liberal type, I thought all swingers were liberal.

How wrong was I?!

I've seen some putrid comments from various cacophonous looking people 'ere. "

Yes, how wrong were you to assume that all people who indulge in an activity hold the same views.

lt's actually the most ironic thing ever to see liberals (in the modern sense) defend lslam.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

lf that makes me racist then l am 100% racist.

Not racist, but perhaps a little close-minded?

In the 6th century Christianity had already gone seriously off-track from Jesus's teachings and Islam was meant to bring religion back into line.

Perhaps we should just stone 'em all to death? And those atheists, they're just as bad, I've seen some of them wearing hats n scarves.

If only Jesus had given us some sort of advice about getting along with each other (and stoning people...)

Mr ddc

lslam wasn't meant to bring it back in line. They don't even think he was crucified. "

You realise Jesus was a Jew right? You realise the early Christian church was a sect within Judaism until the Jewish revolt, and subsequent crackdown? You realise that women having their heads covered so as not to distract men came from St Paul (and was still very common when I t'were a lad)? You realise that the Islamic food laws come from the Old Testament, and their insistence on charity and treating others as you would wish to be treated is straight from Jesus (technically from Confusius, via Plato). At the time the Christian bishops couldn't give two stuffs about the poor, and were too busy lording up treasures on earth.

Surely you heard about the Dark ages, once the early Christian Church defeated the Greek scientists, knowledge only kept alive by the Muslims?

Besides I thought they did think he was crucified, just not the resurrection (same as that Bishop of Durham who caused York Minster to be struck by lightning .. )

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Great not only can terrorist use burkhas to evade capture, but now people can use these to imitate the polic e

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most women look totally different in there no make up selfies, the woman of this country have been wearing masks for decades

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense.

Now you are just looking silly. l said Dumbledore being gay last minute was contrived. To say that l was highly offend is just hysterical."

So you are telling me you have read the quran? Or have you just read the buts that fit with your agenda?

I base my view in Islam from havibg grown up in Birmingham and from my schooldays having socialised with muslims (and many other religious for that matter) havibg wirked alongside them, having lived alongside them in Birmingham and London, havibg travelled in Islamic countries. And my view is just like any other people sone of them are arseholes and most of them are thoroughly decent people and sone are amongst the kindest gentlest people I've ever encountered.

So what do you Base your opinions on?

And I'll never defend extremism or violence. But that is regardless of race or religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't see a problem with it, as long as it's fair and even across the board. There are already Sikh officers who wear turbans on duty. I would also expect to see catholic/christian police officers displaying prominent crosses, buddhists with nice flowing orange robe uniforms, jews in kippahs and jedis with light sabres and Darth Vader masks.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Seriously, how many Muslim women do you actually see in burquas? If the press got their terminology correct and stopped linking every form of Muslim headdress under the burqua banner, it would help.

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By *lue NarwhalMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

In the middle east the police women are not allowed to cover their faces..

I appreciate it is a modesty statement, it is not a religious one.

If Muslim women want to work in the police force, then.they should abide by the rules implied.

A hijab would be acceptable though as the face is uncovered...

Like others, I would not be happy being questioned by someone resembling a paramilitary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don't stop nuns wearing a habit, or whatever, so why should we stop other's following their religious beliefs? I personally don't think it's right to ban the Burka (even though what everyone is talking about is a Niqab. I have never seen anyone wearing a Burka). Last time a specific faith was persecuted and pushed towards dehumantisation like this, there was a genocide. Why can't we learn from our mistakes of the past

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"In the middle east the police women are not allowed to cover their faces..

I appreciate it is a modesty statement, it is not a religious one.

If Muslim women want to work in the police force, then.they should abide by the rules implied.

A hijab would be acceptable though as the face is uncovered...

Like others, I would not be happy being questioned by someone resembling a paramilitary."

5 out of the 7 forms of Muslim headdress don't cover the face.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the middle east the police women are not allowed to cover their faces..

I appreciate it is a modesty statement, it is not a religious one.

If Muslim women want to work in the police force, then.they should abide by the rules implied.

A hijab would be acceptable though as the face is uncovered...

Like others, I would not be happy being questioned by someone resembling a paramilitary.

5 out of the 7 forms of Muslim headdress don't cover the face."

The ones that do cover the face are the Niqab and the Burka. Niqab is more common. Although if they wish to join the forces, then an open faced headdress should be worn instead

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By *lue NarwhalMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

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By *lue NarwhalMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

P's, my profile picture isn't a piss take for the sake of this thread...

For the Saturday photo challenge, hat photo today..

I traded my hat for a shemagh whilst travelling in Oman a few weeks ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"P's, my profile picture isn't a piss take for the sake of this thread...

For the Saturday photo challenge, hat photo today..

I traded my hat for a shemagh whilst travelling in Oman a few weeks ago"

I like it.

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense.

Now you are just looking silly. l said Dumbledore being gay last minute was contrived. To say that l was highly offend is just hysterical.

So you are telling me you have read the quran? Or have you just read the buts that fit with your agenda?

So what do you Base your opinions on?

And I'll never defend extremism or violence. But that is regardless of race or religion.

There is a massive difference in attitude from those of us who know Muslims and about the faith and belief system and those who don't. Of course, it's easy to dismiss us as the PC left, but we are actually living in the real world and striving to live together, on all sides.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense.

Now you are just looking silly. l said Dumbledore being gay last minute was contrived. To say that l was highly offend is just hysterical.

So you are telling me you have read the quran? Or have you just read the buts that fit with your agenda?

So what do you Base your opinions on?

And I'll never defend extremism or violence. But that is regardless of race or religion.

Some people always find a way to blame us lefties

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"In the middle east the police women are not allowed to cover their faces..

I appreciate it is a modesty statement, it is not a religious one.

If Muslim women want to work in the police force, then.they should abide by the rules implied.

A hijab would be acceptable though as the face is uncovered...

Like others, I would not be happy being questioned by someone resembling a paramilitary.

5 out of the 7 forms of Muslim headdress don't cover the face.

The ones that do cover the face are the Niqab and the Burka. Niqab is more common. Although if they wish to join the forces, then an open faced headdress should be worn instead"

You see the odd Burqua in Leicester but they're very rare, Niquab's are less rare but still hardly ubiquitous!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen."

Let's not let facts get in way of scaremongering.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

But there's no story in that. Twisting it makes for a nice Islamaphobic pc's gone mad story to whip people in to an indignant frenzy"

Indeed!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the middle east the police women are not allowed to cover their faces..

I appreciate it is a modesty statement, it is not a religious one.

If Muslim women want to work in the police force, then.they should abide by the rules implied.

A hijab would be acceptable though as the face is uncovered...

Like others, I would not be happy being questioned by someone resembling a paramilitary.

5 out of the 7 forms of Muslim headdress don't cover the face.

The ones that do cover the face are the Niqab and the Burka. Niqab is more common. Although if they wish to join the forces, then an open faced headdress should be worn instead

You see the odd Burqua in Leicester but they're very rare, Niquab's are less rare but still hardly ubiquitous!"

To be honest, sometimes you see some pretty stunning eyes behind the Niqab. Kinda hot in a strange way

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over a year ago

lf that makes me racist then l am 100% racist.

Not racist, but perhaps a little close-minded?

In the 6th century Christianity had already gone seriously off-track from Jesus's teachings and Islam was meant to bring religion back into line.

Perhaps we should just stone 'em all to death? And those atheists, they're just as bad, I've seen some of them wearing hats n scarves.

If only Jesus had given us some sort of advice about getting along with each other (and stoning people...)

Mr ddc

lslam wasn't meant to bring it back in line. They don't even think he was crucified.

Surely you heard about the Dark ages, once the early Christian Church defeated the Greek scientists, knowledge only kept alive by the Muslims?

Besides I thought they did think he was crucified, just not the resurrection (same as that Bishop of Durham who caused York Minster to be struck by lightning .. )"

Yes l realise Jesus was a Jew. l'm part Eastern European Jew...

Muslims never adopted all food laws. They don't drink and my granddad certainly loved a drink.

l don't think that you have read the Quran or the Hadith, mate or what it says about us.

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177 "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Treat others as you want to be treated? You having a laugh?

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

lf that makes me racist then l am 100% racist.

Not racist, but perhaps a little close-minded?

In the 6th century Christianity had already gone seriously off-track from Jesus's teachings and Islam was meant to bring religion back into line.

Perhaps we should just stone 'em all to death? And those atheists, they're just as bad, I've seen some of them wearing hats n scarves.

If only Jesus had given us some sort of advice about getting along with each other (and stoning people...)

Mr ddc

lslam wasn't meant to bring it back in line. They don't even think he was crucified.

Surely you heard about the Dark ages, once the early Christian Church defeated the Greek scientists, knowledge only kept alive by the Muslims?

Besides I thought they did think he was crucified, just not the resurrection (same as that Bishop of Durham who caused York Minster to be struck by lightning .. )

Yes l realise Jesus was a Jew. l'm part Eastern European Jew...

Muslims never adopted all food laws. They don't drink and my granddad certainly loved a drink.

l don't think that you have read the Quran or the Hadith, mate or what it says about us.

Treat others as you want to be treated? You having a laugh?

All you have proved is that you are picking the parts to suit your argument. The same could be said for passages in the bible. You have a lot of hatred in you ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lf that makes me racist then l am 100% racist.

Not racist, but perhaps a little close-minded?

In the 6th century Christianity had already gone seriously off-track from Jesus's teachings and Islam was meant to bring religion back into line.

Perhaps we should just stone 'em all to death? And those atheists, they're just as bad, I've seen some of them wearing hats n scarves.

If only Jesus had given us some sort of advice about getting along with each other (and stoning people...)

Mr ddc

lslam wasn't meant to bring it back in line. They don't even think he was crucified.

Surely you heard about the Dark ages, once the early Christian Church defeated the Greek scientists, knowledge only kept alive by the Muslims?

Besides I thought they did think he was crucified, just not the resurrection (same as that Bishop of Durham who caused York Minster to be struck by lightning .. )

Yes l realise Jesus was a Jew. l'm part Eastern European Jew...

Muslims never adopted all food laws. They don't drink and my granddad certainly loved a drink.

l don't think that you have read the Quran or the Hadith, mate or what it says about us.

Treat others as you want to be treated? You having a laugh?

"
so you believe everything that is written is true ?

I'm a vogon and the answer is 42

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over a year ago

lf that makes me racist then l am 100% racist.

Not racist, but perhaps a little close-minded?

In the 6th century Christianity had already gone seriously off-track from Jesus's teachings and Islam was meant to bring religion back into line.

Perhaps we should just stone 'em all to death? And those atheists, they're just as bad, I've seen some of them wearing hats n scarves.

If only Jesus had given us some sort of advice about getting along with each other (and stoning people...)

Mr ddc

lslam wasn't meant to bring it back in line. They don't even think he was crucified.

Surely you heard about the Dark ages, once the early Christian Church defeated the Greek scientists, knowledge only kept alive by the Muslims?

Besides I thought they did think he was crucified, just not the resurrection (same as that Bishop of Durham who caused York Minster to be struck by lightning .. )

Yes l realise Jesus was a Jew. l'm part Eastern European Jew...

Muslims never adopted all food laws. They don't drink and my granddad certainly loved a drink.

l don't think that you have read the Quran or the Hadith, mate or what it says about us.

Treat others as you want to be treated? You having a laugh?

All you have proved is that you are picking the parts to suit your argument. The same could be said for passages in the bible. You have a lot of hatred in you .... "

Actually, people of islam are not allowed to drink alcohol made of grain or hop. So they can drink Wine and mead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense.

Now you are just looking silly. l said Dumbledore being gay last minute was contrived. To say that l was highly offend is just hysterical.

So you are telling me you have read the quran? Or have you just read the buts that fit with your agenda?

So what do you Base your opinions on?

And I'll never defend extremism or violence. But that is regardless of race or religion.

Yes l have read the Quran. THe Meccan part of his 'revelation' isn't too bad..lt's the Medinan part that is foulest

l base my opinions on the man they deem to be their moral compass, the state of the lslamic world and the barbarism and oppression there. lsrael is the only place gays can live happily in that part of the world. Year on year there are pride marches in Tel Aviv. Are there any in the surrounding nations?

l know most muslims are decent people. l was pretty friendly with a few guys from Turkey and they were sound enough. The way they treated and spoke about the girls in our school was different though. Stick your head in the sand about it all you want. That's what the left does.

l prefer to discuss the theology though, even though l'm not a beliver.

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense.

Now you are just looking silly. l said Dumbledore being gay last minute was contrived. To say that l was highly offend is just hysterical.

So you are telling me you have read the quran? Or have you just read the buts that fit with your agenda?

So what do you Base your opinions on?

And I'll never defend extremism or violence. But that is regardless of race or religion.

Yes l have read the Quran. THe Meccan part of his 'revelation' isn't too bad..lt's the Medinan part that is foulest

l prefer to discuss the theology though, even though l'm not a beliver. "

I think you will find it is you who are sticking your head in the sand as you are clinging to a world view that isn't actually what is happening here out on the streets, in schools, etc. Quote all you like but one day take a look at the reality of what is Britain

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By *aren1956TV/TS
over a year ago

Fakenham

"Headline in Today's press. Chief Constable of West Midlands has said he would be happy for his officers to wear full on Burkha face masks.... Thoughts?

Would this reflect the ethnic diversity of the region or is it just madness?"

Complete PC madness

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes l realise Jesus was a Jew. l'm part Eastern European Jew...

Muslims never adopted all food laws. They don't drink and my granddad certainly loved a drink.

l don't think that you have read the Quran or the Hadith, mate or what it says about us.

Treat others as you want to be treated? You having a laugh?

All you have proved is that you are picking the parts to suit your argument. The same could be said for passages in the bible. You have a lot of hatred in you ....

Actually, people of islam are not allowed to drink alcohol made of grain or hop. So they can drink Wine and mead"

lt's not. lt's forbidden for you to be intoxicated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense.

Now you are just looking silly. l said Dumbledore being gay last minute was contrived. To say that l was highly offend is just hysterical.

So you are telling me you have read the quran? Or have you just read the buts that fit with your agenda?

So what do you Base your opinions on?

And I'll never defend extremism or violence. But that is regardless of race or religion.

Yes l have read the Quran. THe Meccan part of his 'revelation' isn't too bad..lt's the Medinan part that is foulest

l prefer to discuss the theology though, even though l'm not a beliver. "

As is the same with the old testament of the christian bible. All the smiting and laws dictating what a woman can and cannot do. Lets go back to the viking age and allow women to cut off the dicks of an adulturer and control everything a man owns

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By *aren1956TV/TS
over a year ago

Fakenham

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense.

Now you are just looking silly. l said Dumbledore being gay last minute was contrived. To say that l was highly offend is just hysterical.

So you are telling me you have read the quran? Or have you just read the buts that fit with your agenda?

So what do you Base your opinions on?

And I'll never defend extremism or violence. But that is regardless of race or religion.

Yes l have read the Quran. THe Meccan part of his 'revelation' isn't too bad..lt's the Medinan part that is foulest

l prefer to discuss the theology though, even though l'm not a beliver. "

Homophobia is a terrible thing when it's coming from a Muslim but fine when it's coming from you then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes l realise Jesus was a Jew. l'm part Eastern European Jew...

Muslims never adopted all food laws. They don't drink and my granddad certainly loved a drink.

l don't think that you have read the Quran or the Hadith, mate or what it says about us.

Treat others as you want to be treated? You having a laugh?

All you have proved is that you are picking the parts to suit your argument. The same could be said for passages in the bible. You have a lot of hatred in you ....

Actually, people of islam are not allowed to drink alcohol made of grain or hop. So they can drink Wine and mead

lt's not. lt's forbidden for you to be intoxicated."

Exactly. Intoxicated. So they may drink a little, as long as theu don't get d*unk. Loop holes

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Lets go back to the viking age and allow women to cut off the dicks of an adulturer and control everything a man owns

Got my vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense.

Now you are just looking silly. l said Dumbledore being gay last minute was contrived. To say that l was highly offend is just hysterical.

So you are telling me you have read the quran? Or have you just read the buts that fit with your agenda?

So what do you Base your opinions on?

And I'll never defend extremism or violence. But that is regardless of race or religion.

Yes l have read the Quran. THe Meccan part of his 'revelation' isn't too bad..lt's the Medinan part that is foulest

l prefer to discuss the theology though, even though l'm not a beliver.

lt isn't happening here? Wow. A myriad of people murdered in terrorist attacks in Europe and you say it's not happening here, The Rotherham sex ring too. What ever.

As usual with the left, the narrative is more important than the facts.

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

"Lets go back to the viking age and allow women to cut off the dicks of an adulturer and control everything a man owns

Got my vote

I have been living by it for a while and hubby follows the rules. He's trying for a part in the latest Harry Potter as he is bi ...

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"l don't think that you have read the Quran or the Hadith, mate or what it says about us.

Treat others as you want to be treated? You having a laugh?

Ahh.

I see what I've stumbled into here...

Without wishing to get all Fawlty Towers on you, but, well, you did start it. What with all your smiting, pillaging n stuff.

I mean, what have those Amorites ever done to you?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

But there's no story in that. Twisting it makes for a nice Islamaphobic pc's gone mad story to whip people in to an indignant frenzy

Indeed! "

I think the more interesting thing will be if the OP ever comes back to the thread to acknowledge that what is originally said was wrong... or wheter it turns out to be an inane attempt at a "firebomb" thread.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Homophobia is a terrible thing when it's coming from a Muslim but fine when it's coming from you then?"

l've not said anything homophobic at all. Most people l converse with here are gay.

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense.

Now you are just looking silly. l said Dumbledore being gay last minute was contrived. To say that l was highly offend is just hysterical.

So you are telling me you have read the quran? Or have you just read the buts that fit with your agenda?

So what do you Base your opinions on?

And I'll never defend extremism or violence. But that is regardless of race or religion.

Yes l have read the Quran. THe Meccan part of his 'revelation' isn't too bad..lt's the Medinan part that is foulest

l prefer to discuss the theology though, even though l'm not a beliver.

lt isn't happening here? Wow. A myriad of people murdered in terrorist attacks in Europe and you say it's not happening here, The Rotherham sex ring too. What ever.

As usual with the left, the narrative is more important than the facts."

I see you ignored the post about the Catholic church and little boys? How does that fit in? In the first instance you are talking about extremists who are killing Muslims too (as terrorists tend to), a previous poster linked nuns and the IRA I think .... and the case in Rotherham was somewhat more complex, rather a sad reflection on the inadequacies of social services and how they left young girls of a certain class and vulnerability out to dry. Working in social welfare and a close family member married into Muslim families (converting), I'd hazard a guess that I am not as impressionable or swayed by propaganda as you seem to be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lets go back to the viking age and allow women to cut off the dicks of an adulturer and control everything a man owns

Got my vote

I have been living by it for a while and hubby follows the rules. He's trying for a part in the latest Harry Potter as he is bi ..."

I'm actually a Norse pagan, so I follow some of the rules

just not the pillaging stuff. Its mainly, live life to the full, do not be lazy, and treat others without selfish intent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense.

Now you are just looking silly. l said Dumbledore being gay last minute was contrived. To say that l was highly offend is just hysterical.

So you are telling me you have read the quran? Or have you just read the buts that fit with your agenda?

So what do you Base your opinions on?

And I'll never defend extremism or violence. But that is regardless of race or religion.

Yes l have read the Quran. THe Meccan part of his 'revelation' isn't too bad..lt's the Medinan part that is foulest

l prefer to discuss the theology though, even though l'm not a beliver.

lt isn't happening here? Wow. A myriad of people murdered in terrorist attacks in Europe and you say it's not happening here, The Rotherham sex ring too. What ever.

As usual with the left, the narrative is more important than the facts.

People just wanna blame the left for everything. I'm left wing. Yet I admit we need more control and stuff. But we cannot force people to live our way of life. If they have lived here for several generations, then sure, they should be accoustomed by now, but have you ever considered that it was us who made the terrorists? Al Queda were trained by America to fight communist Russia, then turned against America because America decided they needed a good dose of Freedom.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"l don't think that you have read the Quran or the Hadith, mate or what it says about us.

Treat others as you want to be treated? You having a laugh?

Ahh.

I see what I've stumbled into here...

Without wishing to get all Fawlty Towers on you, but, well, you did start it. What with all your smiting, pillaging n stuff.

I mean, what have those Amorites ever done to you?

Please don't be disingenuous. Most Jews are either atheists or reform Jews that aren't fundamentalist and don't take the Tanakh literally. There is NO reform lslam and it is meant to be taken literally.

And Christians have the New Covenant to and mostly use the OT as a metaphoric guide.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"l don't think that you have read the Quran or the Hadith, mate or what it says about us.

Treat others as you want to be treated? You having a laugh?

Ahh.

I see what I've stumbled into here...

Without wishing to get all Fawlty Towers on you, but, well, you did start it. What with all your smiting, pillaging n stuff.

I mean, what have those Amorites ever done to you?

And Christians have the New Covenant to and mostly use the OT as a metaphoric guide. "

How can you be Jewish and an Atheist? Judiasm is a religion, not a race

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Disingenuous argument. See my response to a similar post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense.

Now you are just looking silly. l said Dumbledore being gay last minute was contrived. To say that l was highly offend is just hysterical.

So you are telling me you have read the quran? Or have you just read the buts that fit with your agenda?

So what do you Base your opinions on?

And I'll never defend extremism or violence. But that is regardless of race or religion.

Yes l have read the Quran. THe Meccan part of his 'revelation' isn't too bad..lt's the Medinan part that is foulest

l prefer to discuss the theology though, even though l'm not a beliver.

lt isn't happening here? Wow. A myriad of people murdered in terrorist attacks in Europe and you say it's not happening here, The Rotherham sex ring too. What ever.

As usual with the left, the narrative is more important than the facts."

The point you are missing is that only a tiny percentages of the world's 1.2 billion muslims are extremists. Most aren't. Mist are as disgusted by extremism. Many islamic lwaders in the west have condemned terror attacks. Many have marched in protest against the attacks.

As for paedophiles, are you saying paedophilia is purely an islamic problem?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"l don't think that you have read the Quran or the Hadith, mate or what it says about us.

Treat others as you want to be treated? You having a laugh?

Ahh.

I see what I've stumbled into here...

Without wishing to get all Fawlty Towers on you, but, well, you did start it. What with all your smiting, pillaging n stuff.

I mean, what have those Amorites ever done to you?

And Christians have the New Covenant to and mostly use the OT as a metaphoric guide.

How can you be Jewish and an Atheist? Judiasm is a religion, not a race"

You are conflating Jews with Judaism. Jews are an ethnic group with a genetic distinctiveness, be it Ashkenazi (my family) or Mizrahi. Jesus would have looked Mizrahi.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Homophobia is a terrible thing when it's coming from a Muslim but fine when it's coming from you then?

l've not said anything homophobic at all. Most people l converse with here are gay."

Odd because quite a few people come ned on your perceived homophobia yesterday.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense.

Now you are just looking silly. l said Dumbledore being gay last minute was contrived. To say that l was highly offend is just hysterical.

So you are telling me you have read the quran? Or have you just read the buts that fit with your agenda?

So what do you Base your opinions on?

And I'll never defend extremism or violence. But that is regardless of race or religion.

Yes l have read the Quran. THe Meccan part of his 'revelation' isn't too bad..lt's the Medinan part that is foulest

l prefer to discuss the theology though, even though l'm not a beliver.

lt isn't happening here? Wow. A myriad of people murdered in terrorist attacks in Europe and you say it's not happening here, The Rotherham sex ring too. What ever.

As usual with the left, the narrative is more important than the facts.

l want you to give me any scriptural quote from the NT that support their behaviour. Otherwise it's baseless.

The problems with the Catholic church are structural and political...Not in the theology.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense.

Now you are just looking silly. l said Dumbledore being gay last minute was contrived. To say that l was highly offend is just hysterical.

So you are telling me you have read the quran? Or have you just read the buts that fit with your agenda?

So what do you Base your opinions on?

And I'll never defend extremism or violence. But that is regardless of race or religion.

Yes l have read the Quran. THe Meccan part of his 'revelation' isn't too bad..lt's the Medinan part that is foulest

l prefer to discuss the theology though, even though l'm not a beliver.

lt isn't happening here? Wow. A myriad of people murdered in terrorist attacks in Europe and you say it's not happening here, The Rotherham sex ring too. What ever.

As usual with the left, the narrative is more important than the facts.

l want you to give me any scriptural quote from the NT that support their behaviour. Otherwise it's baseless.

The problems with the Catholic church are structural and political...Not in the theology."

Yet your issue is that you generalise a small group of Muslims to a large majority. And that's not ok.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think you will find it is you who are sticking your head in the sand as you are clinging to a world view that isn't actually what is happening here out on the streets, in schools, etc. Quote all you like but one day take a look at the reality of what is Britain

lt isn't happening here? Wow. A myriad of people murdered in terrorist attacks in Europe and you say it's not happening here, The Rotherham sex ring too. What ever.

As usual with the left, the narrative is more important than the facts.

As for paedophiles, are you saying paedophilia is purely an islamic problem? "

No. l'd say most are normal people but on average their views are not as open minded as us.

Tell me where in the Middle East, two gay men can kiss on a beach while on holiday??? Or even legally be a couple.

Oh give it a rest. You're clutching at straws. Me saying Dumbledore being gay was contrived is homophobic? Get a grip.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Talk about misquoted.

Basically he was treading carefully and trying not to cause offence while also saying that it probably wouldn't happen.

lt speaks volumes about the meekness of our culture that we have to pussy foot around the issue that doesn't belong in the west, just so we don't cause offense.

Now you are just looking silly. l said Dumbledore being gay last minute was contrived. To say that l was highly offend is just hysterical.

So you are telling me you have read the quran? Or have you just read the buts that fit with your agenda?

So what do you Base your opinions on?

And I'll never defend extremism or violence. But that is regardless of race or religion.

Yes l have read the Quran. THe Meccan part of his 'revelation' isn't too bad..lt's the Medinan part that is foulest

l prefer to discuss the theology though, even though l'm not a beliver.

lt isn't happening here? Wow. A myriad of people murdered in terrorist attacks in Europe and you say it's not happening here, The Rotherham sex ring too. What ever.

As usual with the left, the narrative is more important than the facts.

l want you to give me any scriptural quote from the NT that support their behaviour. Otherwise it's baseless.

The problems with the Catholic church are structural and political...Not in the theology.

Yet your issue is that you generalise a small group of Muslims to a large majority. And that's not ok. "

No l never. Yet again you conflate a religion with a people. lsn't that bigoted in the eyes of the Left?

And it's not a small amount. Just look at opinion polls.

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over a year ago

lt isn't happening here? Wow. A myriad of people murdered in terrorist attacks in Europe and you say it's not happening here, The Rotherham sex ring too. What ever.

As usual with the left, the narrative is more important than the facts.

As for paedophiles, are you saying paedophilia is purely an islamic problem?

No. l'd say most are normal people but on average their views are not as open minded as us.

Tell me where in the Middle East, two gay men can kiss on a beach while on holiday??? Or even legally be a couple.

Oh give it a rest. You're clutching at straws. Me saying Dumbledore being gay was contrived is homophobic? Get a grip."

Yet there are places in America where they are still fighting for their right to openly hold hands and get married. Places in Africa, where they are not muslim, as well. Heck, even there it's pubishable by death.