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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I've never really gave it much thought but today I realised we are always seeing the past with our eyes. We are literally unable to see what is happening in present time .

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

SW1A1AA

I practice living in the now

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

You can live in the present but you can't see it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can live in the present but you can't see it "

says who?

maybe you're brain is the correct time and everything outside it is not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can on Christmas morning you can see lots of present If your good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's an anomaly in the matrix that causes that

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Not sure about that statement, OP.

Surely we live in an eternal 'present' as we move forwards in time, but we don't feel it passing... You can't "grab this moment", it keeps slipping through your fingers, right?

In this moment, am I defined by the past? If I recognise the past as "the memories that are present here and now", it becomes possible to see that the notion that I'm defined by the past has to be wrong or incomplete, because there's a "me" here which isn't contained by my memories.

Similar thinking can be applied to the future. So this is "a timeless moment which contains past, present, and future", rather than our conventional view of time as a line with a moving dot called 'now'.

You can never catch that dot, that is true. But you can be the whole line.

My brain hurts...

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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago

Bristol


"I've never really gave it much thought but today I realised we are always seeing the past with our eyes. We are literally unable to see what is happening in present time ."

And what you see often isn't really there but an approximation your brain makes up to save on visual processing power...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You think that's bad? The aliens sat watching us are only just experiencing the French Revolution

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Want something that will completely blow your mind, the double slit experiment.

At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it, making an observation or taking a measurement(very simplistic yet scientific fact). The mere act of making an observation or measurement does the particle break down into its respected state.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Want something that will completely blow your mind, the double slit experiment.

At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it, making an observation or taking a measurement(very simplistic yet scientific fact). The mere act of making an observation or measurement does the particle break down into its respected state.

"

there's been new info since that conclusion.

i can't remember it, it was boring but there's another explanation now.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Not sure about that statement, OP.

Surely we live in an eternal 'present' as we move forwards in time, but we don't feel it passing... You can't "grab this moment", it keeps slipping through your fingers, right?

In this moment, am I defined by the past? If I recognise the past as "the memories that are present here and now", it becomes possible to see that the notion that I'm defined by the past has to be wrong or incomplete, because there's a "me" here which isn't contained by my memories.

Similar thinking can be applied to the future. So this is "a timeless moment which contains past, present, and future", rather than our conventional view of time as a line with a moving dot called 'now'.

You can never catch that dot, that is true. But you can be the whole line.

My brain hurts...

"

Our sight is based around reflection of light rays. What we see first has to travel at light speed to our eyes before we see it. In those thousands of a second time passes which causes us to see something from the past rather than present. Its the same as we see the sun, in reality the sun is not where we see it but approximately 8 minutes of earth rotation away in the eastvorcwest direction depending where you are located. Everything else is exactly the same but most of things we see are close enough for it to be unnoticed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Sorry for lack of commas .

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Technically op may be correct yet for working purposes it's a nonsensical viewpoint

Very little we see you be more than meters away and bearing in mind light is 3 *10 8 every second the time difference is to a honest brain negligible

I'd also suggest the human brain in modern times is well adopted,adjusted to the time lapse principle bearing in mind most of us have been brought up with TV

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can live in the present but you can't see it "

That makes absolutely no sense unless you're blind

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

that would assume there was time and you hadnt already seen the now which is always happening..and you werent a projection of that seeing yourself..who else put you in the present moment???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

need a paracetamol or 2

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"My brain hurts...

"

I thought that half way through

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

What I can see is what I can see. I am too overtired to try and analyse it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Time is....fleeting

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Technically op may be correct yet for working purposes it's a nonsensical viewpoint

Very little we see you be more than meters away and bearing in mind light is 3 *10 8 every second the time difference is to a honest brain negligible

I'd also suggest the human brain in modern times is well adopted,adjusted to the time lapse principle bearing in mind most of us have been brought up with TV

"

This guy gets it.

Yes I agree that in most cases its too little to be considered but on technical level it is true.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

There's a similar case with being in multiple places at the same time. We all are doing it everyday, yet somehow the saying of "I can't be at two places at once" was crated

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"There's a similar case with being in multiple places at the same time. We all are doing it everyday, yet somehow the saying of "I can't be at two places at once" was crated "

Created*

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Time is....fleeting "

It's astounding...?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've never really gave it much thought but today I realised we are always seeing the past with our eyes. We are literally unable to see what is happening in present time .

And what you see often isn't really there but an approximation your brain makes up to save on visual processing power..."

And it depends on how exact your definition of 'now' is. Finite time for info to reach your senses and be processed. As the lovely lady says your brain fills in the gaps..but it also tries to constantly predict what is happening which is why you can catch items.

But taking it to another level...look at your hand...move your fingers..realise you don't even need to think about it...now realise that it is 99.99999% nothing, just made up of trillions of vibrating particles held together by weak bonds, and working by tiny electro chemical processes. There is no such thing as colour, just your brains processing of reflection and absorption of the light spectrum..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Time is....fleeting

It's astounding...?"

Astounded I've not been carted off to the funny farm yet...as the madness,takes its toll!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Time is....fleeting

It's astounding...?

Astounded I've not been carted off to the funny farm yet...as the madness,takes its toll! "

So listen closely...

But not for very much longer...

[You've] got to keep control

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Technically OP is correct. What our eyes see is a reflection of light so on that basis anything we see is in the past. If he wants to calculate how long in the past something say 10 meters away is given the speed of light he's of course more than welcome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Technically OP is correct. What our eyes see is a reflection of light so on that basis anything we see is in the past. If he wants to calculate how long in the past something say 10 meters away is given the speed of light he's of

course more than welcome "

There is another dimension on this too...I totally get the propogation delay on the light thing....but by far the biggest lag is in our own perception...with different senses having different response times..and eye sight in particular having approx a 10 frame per sec refresh rate...with much of our visual field actually missing (put in by our brain) and with acuity in only a small area of our vision..most of what we "see" is deduced. Amazing how the brain manages to give a consist sense of conciousness at all.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Technically OP is correct. What our eyes see is a reflection of light so on that basis anything we see is in the past. If he wants to calculate how long in the past something say 10 meters away is given the speed of light he's of

course more than welcome

There is another dimension on this too...I totally get the propogation delay on the light thing....but by far the biggest lag is in our own perception...with different senses having different response times..and eye sight in particular having approx a 10 frame per sec refresh rate...with much of our visual field actually missing (put in by our brain) and with acuity in only a small area of our vision..most of what we "see" is deduced. Amazing how the brain manages to give a consist sense of conciousness at all. "

So far the human brain is the most complex object in the universe

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside


"Technically OP is correct. What our eyes see is a reflection of light so on that basis anything we see is in the past. If he wants to calculate how long in the past something say 10 meters away is given the speed of light he's of

course more than welcome

There is another dimension on this too...I totally get the propogation delay on the light thing....but by far the biggest lag is in our own perception...with different senses having different response times..and eye sight in particular having approx a 10 frame per sec refresh rate...with much of our visual field actually missing (put in by our brain) and with acuity in only a small area of our vision..most of what we "see" is deduced. Amazing how the brain manages to give a consist sense of conciousness at all.

So far the human brain is the most complex object in the universe "
err no, the universe is far more complex than our puny brain...perception is the key bridge between the two x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160715-organisms-might-be-quantum-machines

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By *100Man
over a year ago

Essex


"need a paracetamol or 2"

That makes two of us I only came on to have my dinner and have a perv and now I have a headache processing all this information.lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Technically OP is correct. What our eyes see is a reflection of light so on that basis anything we see is in the past. If he wants to calculate how long in the past something say 10 meters away is given the speed of light he's of

course more than welcome

There is another dimension on this too...I totally get the propogation delay on the light thing....but by far the biggest lag is in our own perception...with different senses having different response times..and eye sight in particular having approx a 10 frame per sec refresh rate...with much of our visual field actually missing (put in by our brain) and with acuity in only a small area of our vision..most of what we "see" is deduced. Amazing how the brain manages to give a consist sense of conciousness at all.

So far the human brain is the most complex object in the universe err no, the universe is far more complex than our puny brain...perception is the key bridge between the two x"

Well I'd say the conscious observers might hold the key to stop the universe(s) collapsing in on themselves.

Of course its not a human mind in most cases...however, if I went down the parallel universes/dimensions whatever..I can say, every living thing is a conscious observer each contributing to each others reality,even if unaware.

I believe the only way we will ever grasp our reality is when we reach the technological singularity of AI.

The complexity needed is way in advance of a biological organism, but I do have a theory that perhaps a space faring 'race' of living machines might be our ultimate evolution, using stars/black holes as the 'food' source..and a probability of being infinite, living outside time as we know it.

It's most likely the only way we could escape a dying universe(by becoming some kind of living code that can be transmitted)...to maybe to find another universe or indeed start a new universe.

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside


"Technically OP is correct. What our eyes see is a reflection of light so on that basis anything we see is in the past. If he wants to calculate how long in the past something say 10 meters away is given the speed of light he's of

course more than welcome

There is another dimension on this too...I totally get the propogation delay on the light thing....but by far the biggest lag is in our own perception...with different senses having different response times..and eye sight in particular having approx a 10 frame per sec refresh rate...with much of our visual field actually missing (put in by our brain) and with acuity in only a small area of our vision..most of what we "see" is deduced. Amazing how the brain manages to give a consist sense of conciousness at all.

So far the human brain is the most complex object in the universe err no, the universe is far more complex than our puny brain...perception is the key bridge between the two x

Well I'd say the conscious observers might hold the key to stop the universe(s) collapsing in on themselves.

Of course its not a human mind in most cases...however, if I went down the parallel universes/dimensions whatever..I can say, every living thing is a conscious observer each contributing to each others reality,even if unaware.

I believe the only way we will ever grasp our reality is when we reach the technological singularity of AI.

The complexity needed is way in advance of a biological organism, but I do have a theory that perhaps a space faring 'race' of living machines might be our ultimate evolution, using stars/black holes as the 'food' source..and a probability of being infinite, living outside time as we know it.

It's most likely the only way we could escape a dying universe(by becoming some kind of living code that can be transmitted)...to maybe to find another universe or indeed start a new universe.

"
become a deathdefier by training to hold your awareness intact after death and not forgetting awareness through the birth process, gain experience of all things over a period of lifetimes accumulating perception of not only this known reality, but others...you become that code, you will your code into life you start living that ever expanding code, you become the creator and therefore you have the ability to build or destroy worlds. the design however is a quantum design perfectly balanced to provide each facet of the whole with all the experiences they could ever desire, for that journey into total freedom..a design so totally unconcerned its known as unconditional love...or nature..the human mind is a foreign installation, it hate the unknown and fights it to remain in existence, can you live without a personal mind, yes as soon as you destroy it you become aligned to the design that allowed it to exist in the first place...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Technically OP is correct. What our eyes see is a reflection of light so on that basis anything we see is in the past. If he wants to calculate how long in the past something say 10 meters away is given the speed of light he's of

course more than welcome

There is another dimension on this too...I totally get the propogation delay on the light thing....but by far the biggest lag is in our own perception...with different senses having different response times..and eye sight in particular having approx a 10 frame per sec refresh rate...with much of our visual field actually missing (put in by our brain) and with acuity in only a small area of our vision..most of what we "see" is deduced. Amazing how the brain manages to give a consist sense of conciousness at all.

So far the human brain is the most complex object in the universe err no, the universe is far more complex than our puny brain...perception is the key bridge between the two x

Well I'd say the conscious observers might hold the key to stop the universe(s) collapsing in on themselves.

Of course its not a human mind in most cases...however, if I went down the parallel universes/dimensions whatever..I can say, every living thing is a conscious observer each contributing to each others reality,even if unaware.

I believe the only way we will ever grasp our reality is when we reach the technological singularity of AI.

The complexity needed is way in advance of a biological organism, but I do have a theory that perhaps a space faring 'race' of living machines might be our ultimate evolution, using stars/black holes as the 'food' source..and a probability of being infinite, living outside time as we know it.

It's most likely the only way we could escape a dying universe(by becoming some kind of living code that can be transmitted)...to maybe to find another universe or indeed start a new universe.

become a deathdefier by training to hold your awareness intact after death and not forgetting awareness through the birth process, gain experience of all things over a period of lifetimes accumulating perception of not only this known reality, but others...you become that code, you will your code into life you start living that ever expanding code, you become the creator and therefore you have the ability to build or destroy worlds. the design however is a quantum design perfectly balanced to provide each facet of the whole with all the experiences they could ever desire, for that journey into total freedom..a design so totally unconcerned its known as unconditional love...or nature..the human mind is a foreign installation, it hate the unknown and fights it to remain in existence, can you live without a personal mind, yes as soon as you destroy it you become aligned to the design that allowed it to exist in the first place..."

Well, I'd also say that even if there was a singularity of tech, they might not be capable of imagination.

Already we see our imaginations as the key to progression..if I'm generating multiple worlds in my own brain an energy from that process is at work.

An example i use, is hitler being dead and still influencing our world(whether that be in a roundabout fashion)..has he totally disappeared from the universe?

I dont have any religious beliefs, however the more and more I've seen people delve into the quantum world..certain parallels might be found...certainly nothing like a big bearded man.

I watched a great documentary on the symbiosis of rocks and life(on our planet), whether people want that as gaia theory thats fine..but the science is shedding light on a truly living world that goes much much deeper than we give it credit for.

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside


"Technically OP is correct. What our eyes see is a reflection of light so on that basis anything we see is in the past. If he wants to calculate how long in the past something say 10 meters away is given the speed of light he's of

course more than welcome

There is another dimension on this too...I totally get the propogation delay on the light thing....but by far the biggest lag is in our own perception...with different senses having different response times..and eye sight in particular having approx a 10 frame per sec refresh rate...with much of our visual field actually missing (put in by our brain) and with acuity in only a small area of our vision..most of what we "see" is deduced. Amazing how the brain manages to give a consist sense of conciousness at all.

So far the human brain is the most complex object in the universe err no, the universe is far more complex than our puny brain...perception is the key bridge between the two x

Well I'd say the conscious observers might hold the key to stop the universe(s) collapsing in on themselves.

Of course its not a human mind in most cases...however, if I went down the parallel universes/dimensions whatever..I can say, every living thing is a conscious observer each contributing to each others reality,even if unaware.

I believe the only way we will ever grasp our reality is when we reach the technological singularity of AI.

The complexity needed is way in advance of a biological organism, but I do have a theory that perhaps a space faring 'race' of living machines might be our ultimate evolution, using stars/black holes as the 'food' source..and a probability of being infinite, living outside time as we know it.

It's most likely the only way we could escape a dying universe(by becoming some kind of living code that can be transmitted)...to maybe to find another universe or indeed start a new universe.

become a deathdefier by training to hold your awareness intact after death and not forgetting awareness through the birth process, gain experience of all things over a period of lifetimes accumulating perception of not only this known reality, but others...you become that code, you will your code into life you start living that ever expanding code, you become the creator and therefore you have the ability to build or destroy worlds. the design however is a quantum design perfectly balanced to provide each facet of the whole with all the experiences they could ever desire, for that journey into total freedom..a design so totally unconcerned its known as unconditional love...or nature..the human mind is a foreign installation, it hate the unknown and fights it to remain in existence, can you live without a personal mind, yes as soon as you destroy it you become aligned to the design that allowed it to exist in the first place...

Well, I'd also say that even if there was a singularity of tech, they might not be capable of imagination.

Already we see our imaginations as the key to progression..if I'm generating multiple worlds in my own brain an energy from that process is at work.

An example i use, is hitler being dead and still influencing our world(whether that be in a roundabout fashion)..has he totally disappeared from the universe?

I dont have any religious beliefs, however the more and more I've seen people delve into the quantum world..certain parallels might be found...certainly nothing like a big bearded man.

I watched a great documentary on the symbiosis of rocks and life(on our planet), whether people want that as gaia theory thats fine..but the science is shedding light on a truly living world that goes much much deeper than we give it credit for."
i know it, no one has to believe me..science will turn it on to the masses in good time..slowly the wheels turn x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I planted the seed, and now I watch it grow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Want something that will completely blow your mind, the double slit experiment.

At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it, making an observation or taking a measurement(very simplistic yet scientific fact). The mere act of making an observation or measurement does the particle break down into its respected state.

"

Spooky entanglement at a distance, isn't it? Says a physics tech.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same theory as Schrödinger's car. Car exists in an indeterminate state, but by observing, you collapse the probability matrices and get an outcome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

FFS phone. Cat, not car!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've never really gave it much thought but today I realised we are always seeing the past with our eyes. We are literally unable to see what is happening in present time ."
We should learn from our past and move on .. That way we grow as people. LIVE and lean .

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"So far the human brain is the most complex object in the universe err no, the universe is far more complex than our puny brain...perception is the key bridge between the two x"

For one...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/the-human-brain-is-the-most-complex-structure-in-the-universe-let-s-do-all-we-can-to-unravel-its-9233125.html

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside


"So far the human brain is the most complex object in the universe err no, the universe is far more complex than our puny brain...perception is the key bridge between the two x

For one...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/the-human-brain-is-the-most-complex-structure-in-the-universe-let-s-do-all-we-can-to-unravel-its-9233125.html"
do i need to read an article when i already know different.im not arguing or debating..you can follow who or what you want, ill go on the lifetime of experiences i have had and can replecate at will xx

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