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"What has made you you? A sperm and an egg "I almost put, Apart from sperm and egg in the OP. | |||
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"Experiences, family/friend influences, morals, pain, fear, dedication and determination to get where i want to be and who i want to be. Biggest influences has been my previous partner and work though i think" The accretions of the someone's in our lives is interesting. | |||
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"Removed to spelling error so will try again. Life experience. A grounding childhood, reasonable education and sheer bloody mindedness. Genetic has a part to play too" How much is the cut between genes and life experience? | |||
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"Sugar and spice and all things nice. "It's all those threads about nice. | |||
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"Gawd woman, the nature/nurture debate is huuuggggee, lol. Watch some of the documentaries on twins. It blows the nurture theory out of the water "I have twins in the family. Very different beings. | |||
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I almost put, Apart from sperm and egg in the OP. "Sorry, just couldn't resist
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"Gawd woman, the nature/nurture debate is huuuggggee, lol. Watch some of the documentaries on twins. It blows the nurture theory out of the water
I have twins in the family. Very different beings.
"Noooooooo. The one's where they were separated at birth, lived with different upbringing, cultures, separated in different countries etc. When brought back together, the similarity in traits is jaw dropping. Twins in my family, hence the interest. | |||
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"Gawd woman, the nature/nurture debate is huuuggggee, lol. Watch some of the documentaries on twins. It blows the nurture theory out of the water
I have twins in the family. Very different beings.
Noooooooo. The one's where they were separated at birth, lived with different upbringing, cultures, separated in different countries etc. When brought back together, the similarity in traits is jaw dropping. Twins in my family, hence the interest."That's me then  | |||
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"Removed to spelling error so will try again. Life experience. A grounding childhood, reasonable education and sheer bloody mindedness. Genetic has a part to play too How much is the cut between genes and life experience? " Genes only give you your make up.. Maybe illness that goes alone with it but doesn't prepare you that's where life comes in. The good grounding as a child. Unfortunately no one can prepare you for life events that should never happen to anyone. I'm not talking illness now but you can't be prepared for that either. | |||
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"Gawd woman, the nature/nurture debate is huuuggggee, lol. Watch some of the documentaries on twins. It blows the nurture theory out of the water
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Noooooooo. The one's where they were separated at birth, lived with different upbringing, cultures, separated in different countries etc. When brought back together, the similarity in traits is jaw dropping. Twins in my family, hence the interest."I've seen those too. It's a strange thing that twins brought up together can be so different and those separated end up being so similar. | |||
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"Experiences, family/friend influences, morals, pain, fear, dedication and determination to get where i want to be and who i want to be. Biggest influences has been my previous partner and work though i think The accretions of the someone's in our lives is interesting." For me this is due to since being with him/starting a new job (same time) I changed immensley over the past few years, I gained confidence and belief in myself and think it was through how I felt over that time. Things i am able to do now i would never of considered back then. For which i am greatly appreciative to all involed who helped | |||
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"I am so far removed from the child and teenager I was,even my mum is surprised. I was musing about it earlier and I think my marriage and chemicals has played a big part in my change of personality. Although,my personality may be the same,my behaviour could be different. " That was one of the things I was pondering: have I remained more or less the same but I have just modified my behaviour through education and exposure to other influences? | |||
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"Genetics and upbringing. I was adopted and now knkw both families very well. I share lots of traits with my biological family (who i didn't know for the first 25 odd years of my life) and a lot of my traits come from my up bringing so definitely both nature and nurture. " Were you very different before you met your biological family? | |||
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"Removed to spelling error so will try again. Life experience. A grounding childhood, reasonable education and sheer bloody mindedness. Genetic has a part to play too How much is the cut between genes and life experience? Genes only give you your make up.. Maybe illness that goes alone with it but doesn't prepare you that's where life comes in. The good grounding as a child. Unfortunately no one can prepare you for life events that should never happen to anyone. I'm not talking illness now but you can't be prepared for that either. " I haven't listened to it yet, but R4 had a programme on this evening about immune system failure and mental health disorders. | |||
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"the things ive done.. the things i havent done.. i think alot of what makes us who we are is pre=destined too" Pre-destined as in Fate/God? | |||
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"I am so far removed from the child and teenager I was,even my mum is surprised. I was musing about it earlier and I think my marriage and chemicals has played a big part in my change of personality. Although,my personality may be the same,my behaviour could be different. " so am i completly and then even further removed from the person i was even 5 years ago like another person born out of the old one | |||
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"Experiences, family/friend influences, morals, pain, fear, dedication and determination to get where i want to be and who i want to be. Biggest influences has been my previous partner and work though i think The accretions of the someone's in our lives is interesting. For me this is due to since being with him/starting a new job (same time) I changed immensley over the past few years, I gained confidence and belief in myself and think it was through how I felt over that time. Things i am able to do now i would never of considered back then. For which i am greatly appreciative to all involed who helped" | |||
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"Sugar and spice and all things nice. "Couldn't resist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov00vt74kF8 | |||
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"A great parent who role modelled what hard graft and striving to succeed looked and felt like." There are others with great parental role models who still turn out, erm, less than optimal. | |||
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"Genetics and upbringing. I was adopted and now knkw both families very well. I share lots of traits with my biological family (who i didn't know for the first 25 odd years of my life) and a lot of my traits come from my up bringing so definitely both nature and nurture. Were you very different before you met your biological family? " Not really no...i'm still the same really. A little older now but still have the same traits and habbits etc really..as far as i can tell anyhow | |||
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"I am so far removed from the child and teenager I was,even my mum is surprised. I was musing about it earlier and I think my marriage and chemicals has played a big part in my change of personality. Although,my personality may be the same,my behaviour could be different. That was one of the things I was pondering: have I remained more or less the same but I have just modified my behaviour through education and exposure to other influences? " I think we adapt to survive. I had to change my behaviour,to survive my marriage. My children needed someone they could rely on. If my life responsibilities had been different I don't know where I would be now. I seem to adapt myself to fit in with other people I have association with. | |||
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"Genetics and upbringing. I was adopted and now knkw both families very well. I share lots of traits with my biological family (who i didn't know for the first 25 odd years of my life) and a lot of my traits come from my up bringing so definitely both nature and nurture. Were you very different before you met your biological family? Not really no...i'm still the same really. A little older now but still have the same traits and habbits etc really..as far as i can tell anyhow "It's interesting that others are describing them being them through life experiences and other people but this response from you suggests that hasn't been the case. Meeting your biological family is a big life event. | |||
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"A great parent who role modelled what hard graft and striving to succeed looked and felt like." I've met people with good upstanding hard working parents and they're bums..conversely i've met some real bums who have good hard working upstanding parents. | |||
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"the things ive done.. the things i havent done.. i think alot of what makes us who we are is pre=destined too Pre-destined as in Fate/God?" as in fate yeah | |||
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"Genetics and upbringing. I was adopted and now knkw both families very well. I share lots of traits with my biological family (who i didn't know for the first 25 odd years of my life) and a lot of my traits come from my up bringing so definitely both nature and nurture. Were you very different before you met your biological family? Not really no...i'm still the same really. A little older now but still have the same traits and habbits etc really..as far as i can tell anyhow
It's interesting that others are describing them being them through life experiences and other people but this response from you suggests that hasn't been the case. Meeting your biological family is a big life event.
"I guess it is a big life event but that doesn't change me as a person...not sure how it would really. i always knew i was adopted etc and just couldn't be arsed going to meet them really. No ill feelings, just wasn't fussed. i found out my biological dad died so i had a drive up to attend the funeral..met them all, got on like a house on fire then Just continued seeing them....all pretty straight forward really | |||
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"A great parent who role modelled what hard graft and striving to succeed looked and felt like. There are others with great parental role models who still turn out, erm, less than optimal. " And... You asked what made me. | |||
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"Have you ever heard of the Ship of Theseus? I first read it in an ancient philosophy course, but then ended up having a really good discussion about it as it relates to bioethics. Its pertinence to your question is whether I am really made up of everything from the moment I'm born, or whether I am fundamentally different then I was at the start....whether I am made up of all my experiences or only those I remember. There are many different variances and applications of it, but whenever I'm asked this question I always think of this paradox and it leads me to say that I don't think I've given enough thought to the question to answer you adequately. Something to think about, at least. "Thanks for that. I haven't read it. | |||
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"Experience and education, culture and upbringing. What about gender and race? " I dont feel anything but human...I hate to be pigeonholed in most regards. I felt unique and unconnected since a young age, it's nothing majorly disturbing or to do with upbringing. I'm sometimes at my most happiest just on my own..sometimes at my most unhappiest when I'm with others..but it's a bit of a mix really. | |||
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"Have you ever heard of the Ship of Theseus? I first read it in an ancient philosophy course, but then ended up having a really good discussion about it as it relates to bioethics. Its pertinence to your question is whether I am really made up of everything from the moment I'm born, or whether I am fundamentally different then I was at the start....whether I am made up of all my experiences or only those I remember. There are many different variances and applications of it, but whenever I'm asked this question I always think of this paradox and it leads me to say that I don't think I've given enough thought to the question to answer you adequately. Something to think about, at least. "I've read about that. Very interesting. It's basically like Trigger's broom | |||
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"I think I'm in the nature camp. That's not to say that I believe nurture doesn't play a part, but my role models were terrible and I've spent my adult life consciously unlearning the lessons I was taught as a child. If nurture had the most prominent influence in developing my personality and behaviour, then I would be beating my kids and calling them 'cunts' on a daily basis. If anything I feel like I have 'made' me, or at least rediscovered me, despite the shitty start. Nell" It sounds like the behaviour you witnessed and experienced did influence you but to be different. | |||
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"Have you ever heard of the Ship of Theseus? I first read it in an ancient philosophy course, but then ended up having a really good discussion about it as it relates to bioethics. Its pertinence to your question is whether I am really made up of everything from the moment I'm born, or whether I am fundamentally different then I was at the start....whether I am made up of all my experiences or only those I remember. There are many different variances and applications of it, but whenever I'm asked this question I always think of this paradox and it leads me to say that I don't think I've given enough thought to the question to answer you adequately. Something to think about, at least.
I've read about that. Very interesting. It's basically like Trigger's broom "I don't know what Trigger's broom is, but I'll say yes
But the idea is that is you have a ship...and the ship goes through tons of things in its lifetime....and then during its lifetime parts of it are replaced so that by the time it gets back to port all of its planks have been replaced, then is that ship the same ship that left at the beginning of its journey?
Later philosophers then took the thought experiment further and said, what if all the old bits of the ship were collected and used to build another ship, which ship would be the original....would there be an original at all or is everything broken up in time.
I remember talking about it as it relates to people - our experiences and memories tend to shape a lot of who we are, but what happens when we forget things, or what is someone gets Alzheimers or something similar? Its like the wood that makes up the ship. Are you the same person as your 5 year old self? Are you fundamentally different?
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"Experience and education, culture and upbringing. What about gender and race? I dont feel anything but human...I hate to be pigeonholed in most regards. I felt unique and unconnected since a young age, it's nothing majorly disturbing or to do with upbringing. I'm sometimes at my most happiest just on my own..sometimes at my most unhappiest when I'm with others..but it's a bit of a mix really." its funny you say that, ive never felt any connection to my family i dont mean immediate but never really been that interested in where i came from, curiosity reasons maybe but not to feel a connection to my ancestory. The fact im an immigrants daughter only registeted with me literally very recently, sometimes i just say it now just to see if it registers and no, still means absolutly bugger all to me | |||
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"Have you ever heard of the Ship of Theseus? I first read it in an ancient philosophy course, but then ended up having a really good discussion about it as it relates to bioethics. Its pertinence to your question is whether I am really made up of everything from the moment I'm born, or whether I am fundamentally different then I was at the start....whether I am made up of all my experiences or only those I remember. There are many different variances and applications of it, but whenever I'm asked this question I always think of this paradox and it leads me to say that I don't think I've given enough thought to the question to answer you adequately. Something to think about, at least.
I've read about that. Very interesting. It's basically like Trigger's broom
I don't know what Trigger's broom is, but I'll say yes
But the idea is that is you have a ship...and the ship goes through tons of things in its lifetime....and then during its lifetime parts of it are replaced so that by the time it gets back to port all of its planks have been replaced, then is that ship the same ship that left at the beginning of its journey?
Later philosophers then took the thought experiment further and said, what if all the old bits of the ship were collected and used to build another ship, which ship would be the original....would there be an original at all or is everything broken up in time.
I remember talking about it as it relates to people - our experiences and memories tend to shape a lot of who we are, but what happens when we forget things, or what is someone gets Alzheimers or something similar? Its like the wood that makes up the ship. Are you the same person as your 5 year old self? Are you fundamentally different?
Sorry for rambling... "It's the same as the broom. One someone claims to have had the same broom for 30 years they fail to acknowledge that they've changed the handle twice and the head four times. | |||
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"I think I'm in the nature camp. That's not to say that I believe nurture doesn't play a part, but my role models were terrible and I've spent my adult life consciously unlearning the lessons I was taught as a child. If nurture had the most prominent influence in developing my personality and behaviour, then I would be beating my kids and calling them 'cunts' on a daily basis. If anything I feel like I have 'made' me, or at least rediscovered me, despite the shitty start. Nell It sounds like the behaviour you witnessed and experienced did influence you but to be different. " Possibly, but not everyone breaks the cycle of abuse that flows down through the generations. A genetic predisposition to certain behaviours could determine whether you're likely to continue the cycle or break away. If I'd had loving and nurturing parents then I believe I'd be a loving and nurturing parent myself. I had abusive parents, yet I still manage to be a decent enough parent despite the template I was given. I'm actually very like my Nan, who I only saw once a year due to her living in the US until I was 23. I think I luckily got her personality traits. | |||
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"Have you ever heard of the Ship of Theseus? I first read it in an ancient philosophy course, but then ended up having a really good discussion about it as it relates to bioethics. Its pertinence to your question is whether I am really made up of everything from the moment I'm born, or whether I am fundamentally different then I was at the start....whether I am made up of all my experiences or only those I remember. There are many different variances and applications of it, but whenever I'm asked this question I always think of this paradox and it leads me to say that I don't think I've given enough thought to the question to answer you adequately. Something to think about, at least.
I've read about that. Very interesting. It's basically like Trigger's broom
I don't know what Trigger's broom is, but I'll say yes
But the idea is that is you have a ship...and the ship goes through tons of things in its lifetime....and then during its lifetime parts of it are replaced so that by the time it gets back to port all of its planks have been replaced, then is that ship the same ship that left at the beginning of its journey?
Later philosophers then took the thought experiment further and said, what if all the old bits of the ship were collected and used to build another ship, which ship would be the original....would there be an original at all or is everything broken up in time.
I remember talking about it as it relates to people - our experiences and memories tend to shape a lot of who we are, but what happens when we forget things, or what is someone gets Alzheimers or something similar? Its like the wood that makes up the ship. Are you the same person as your 5 year old self? Are you fundamentally different?
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"Experience and education, culture and upbringing. What about gender and race? I dont feel anything but human...I hate to be pigeonholed in most regards. I felt unique and unconnected since a young age, it's nothing majorly disturbing or to do with upbringing. I'm sometimes at my most happiest just on my own..sometimes at my most unhappiest when I'm with others..but it's a bit of a mix really.its funny you say that, ive never felt any connection to my family i dont mean immediate but never really been that interested in where i came from, curiosity reasons maybe but not to feel a connection to my ancestory. The fact im an immigrants daughter only registeted with me literally very recently, sometimes i just say it now just to see if it registers and no, still means absolutly bugger all to me" | |||
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"I think I'm in the nature camp. That's not to say that I believe nurture doesn't play a part, but my role models were terrible and I've spent my adult life consciously unlearning the lessons I was taught as a child. If nurture had the most prominent influence in developing my personality and behaviour, then I would be beating my kids and calling them 'cunts' on a daily basis. If anything I feel like I have 'made' me, or at least rediscovered me, despite the shitty start. Nell It sounds like the behaviour you witnessed and experienced did influence you but to be different. Possibly, but not everyone breaks the cycle of abuse that flows down through the generations. A genetic predisposition to certain behaviours could determine whether you're likely to continue the cycle or break away. If I'd had loving and nurturing parents then I believe I'd be a loving and nurturing parent myself. I had abusive parents, yet I still manage to be a decent enough parent despite the template I was given. I'm actually very like my Nan, who I only saw once a year due to her living in the US until I was 23. I think I luckily got her personality traits."  i read a book about breaking the cycle of abuse think it was called web of violence anyway it helped me to understand and break the cycle | |||
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"Have you ever heard of the Ship of Theseus? I first read it in an ancient philosophy course, but then ended up having a really good discussion about it as it relates to bioethics. Its pertinence to your question is whether I am really made up of everything from the moment I'm born, or whether I am fundamentally different then I was at the start....whether I am made up of all my experiences or only those I remember. There are many different variances and applications of it, but whenever I'm asked this question I always think of this paradox and it leads me to say that I don't think I've given enough thought to the question to answer you adequately. Something to think about, at least.
I've read about that. Very interesting. It's basically like Trigger's broom
I don't know what Trigger's broom is, but I'll say yes
But the idea is that is you have a ship...and the ship goes through tons of things in its lifetime....and then during its lifetime parts of it are replaced so that by the time it gets back to port all of its planks have been replaced, then is that ship the same ship that left at the beginning of its journey?
Later philosophers then took the thought experiment further and said, what if all the old bits of the ship were collected and used to build another ship, which ship would be the original....would there be an original at all or is everything broken up in time.
I remember talking about it as it relates to people - our experiences and memories tend to shape a lot of who we are, but what happens when we forget things, or what is someone gets Alzheimers or something similar? Its like the wood that makes up the ship. Are you the same person as your 5 year old self? Are you fundamentally different?
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"The chemicals and hormones in our brains make us do and think how we do. Mine are unnaturally manipulated now,which makes me believe I would be different if I wasn't taking medication. " If we're taking the medication to be different does that change who we are? | |||
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"I think I'm in the nature camp. That's not to say that I believe nurture doesn't play a part, but my role models were terrible and I've spent my adult life consciously unlearning the lessons I was taught as a child. If nurture had the most prominent influence in developing my personality and behaviour, then I would be beating my kids and calling them 'cunts' on a daily basis. If anything I feel like I have 'made' me, or at least rediscovered me, despite the shitty start. Nell It sounds like the behaviour you witnessed and experienced did influence you but to be different. Possibly, but not everyone breaks the cycle of abuse that flows down through the generations. A genetic predisposition to certain behaviours could determine whether you're likely to continue the cycle or break away. If I'd had loving and nurturing parents then I believe I'd be a loving and nurturing parent myself. I had abusive parents, yet I still manage to be a decent enough parent despite the template I was given. I'm actually very like my Nan, who I only saw once a year due to her living in the US until I was 23. I think I luckily got her personality traits. i read a book about breaking the cycle of abuse think it was called web of violence anyway it helped me to understand and break the cycle"I haven't read any books. I've had LOTS of counselling though. | |||
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"The chemicals and hormones in our brains make us do and think how we do. Mine are unnaturally manipulated now,which makes me believe I would be different if I wasn't taking medication. If we're taking the medication to be different does that change who we are? " I don't think so. I'm on medication too but I'm still me. Just me in a better mood | |||
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"The chemicals and hormones in our brains make us do and think how we do. Mine are unnaturally manipulated now,which makes me believe I would be different if I wasn't taking medication. " but if you didnt take your medication the reason for your mefication would mean your life would be fifferent and if you didnt have the symptons in the first place you would be diffeent again | |||
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"I think I'm in the nature camp. That's not to say that I believe nurture doesn't play a part, but my role models were terrible and I've spent my adult life consciously unlearning the lessons I was taught as a child. If nurture had the most prominent influence in developing my personality and behaviour, then I would be beating my kids and calling them 'cunts' on a daily basis. If anything I feel like I have 'made' me, or at least rediscovered me, despite the shitty start. Nell It sounds like the behaviour you witnessed and experienced did influence you but to be different. Possibly, but not everyone breaks the cycle of abuse that flows down through the generations. A genetic predisposition to certain behaviours could determine whether you're likely to continue the cycle or break away. If I'd had loving and nurturing parents then I believe I'd be a loving and nurturing parent myself. I had abusive parents, yet I still manage to be a decent enough parent despite the template I was given. I'm actually very like my Nan, who I only saw once a year due to her living in the US until I was 23. I think I luckily got her personality traits. i read a book about breaking the cycle of abuse think it was called web of violence anyway it helped me to understand and break the cycle
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"The chemicals and hormones in our brains make us do and think how we do. Mine are unnaturally manipulated now,which makes me believe I would be different if I wasn't taking medication. If we're taking the medication to be different does that change who we are? " i take a cocktail of about 30 tablets aday. When ive just taken them or in the morning im buggered. There not personality altering drugs their mood altering drugs But they do cuffeffel your head But i was on lithium for about 6 years and that was like being covered in treacle and you dont realize just how bad until you come off it | |||
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"The chemicals and hormones in our brains make us do and think how we do. Mine are unnaturally manipulated now,which makes me believe I would be different if I wasn't taking medication. If we're taking the medication to be different does that change who we are? i take a cocktail of about 30 tablets aday. When ive just taken them or in the morning im buggered. There not personality altering drugs their mood altering drugs But they do cuffeffel your head But i was on lithium for about 6 years and that was like being covered in treacle and you dont realize just how bad until you come off it" I react to situations differently now and find processing information very difficult sometimes. I don't know if it's because of my illness or the medication I take for it. I feel like I have lost my real self. | |||
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"The chemicals and hormones in our brains make us do and think how we do. Mine are unnaturally manipulated now,which makes me believe I would be different if I wasn't taking medication. If we're taking the medication to be different does that change who we are? i take a cocktail of about 30 tablets aday. When ive just taken them or in the morning im buggered. There not personality altering drugs their mood altering drugs But they do cuffeffel your head But i was on lithium for about 6 years and that was like being covered in treacle and you dont realize just how bad until you come off it I react to situations differently now and find processing information very difficult sometimes. I don't know if it's because of my illness or the medication I take for it. I feel like I have lost my real self. "  at this moment now im very alert, but it all depenfs on time of day how tired i am. What seem like simple things to some are bloody hard work to process but i remember saying to my nurse how frustrated i got sometimes and she said most people wouldnt even be able to get out of bed let alone function on it but i dont know a life without medication ive been on it since i was 15 so i have no idea what id be like without my illness cause thats the reason i take the medication. I have no idea what its like to have a drug free head | |||
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