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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life. "Because he sexted someone he broke up with!? | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life. "She doesn't appear to be contrite at all though. Upset at the verdict, of course. Their plots to throw people off the scent included considering leaving an 'Islamic flag' so that Muslims would be blamed. It's bizarre but they are not being treated as insane. | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life.
She doesn't appear to be contrite at all though. Upset at the verdict, of course.
Their plots to throw people off the scent included considering leaving an 'Islamic flag' so that Muslims would be blamed.
It's bizarre but they are not being treated as insane.
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"Horrific story, in the planning for 18 months. Poor woman never stood a fighting chance being knife & stabbed in her own home." Tazered first so she couldn't fight back, then stabbed more than 40 times. How in the name of the gods did her accomplice let herself get dragged into it? Two sick individuals. | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life.
She doesn't appear to be contrite at all though. Upset at the verdict, of course.
Their plots to throw people off the scent included considering leaving an 'Islamic flag' so that Muslims would be blamed.
It's bizarre but they are not being treated as insane.
I think it's cold calculated hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, insanity would be almost a cop out "She wasn't really scorned though! Clearly he made the right decision to break up with her!! | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life.
She doesn't appear to be contrite at all though. Upset at the verdict, of course.
Their plots to throw people off the scent included considering leaving an 'Islamic flag' so that Muslims would be blamed.
It's bizarre but they are not being treated as insane.
I think it's cold calculated hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, insanity would be almost a cop out "Almost two years of cold calculated hell hath no fury? Surely that is insane? How does a rational person hold that much fury for that long about a one time sexual partner? | |||
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"Horrific story, in the planning for 18 months. Poor woman never stood a fighting chance being knife & stabbed in her own home. Tazered first so she couldn't fight back, then stabbed more than 40 times. How in the name of the gods did her accomplice let herself get dragged into it? Two sick individuals. " If you see a picture of the accomplice it may answer your question | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life. "Possibly a tad harsh. | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life. "Are you suggesting he is responsible for the murder? He is responsible for his actions but I doubt he thought this would end in death...clearly the killer is deranged | |||
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"Horrific story, in the planning for 18 months. Poor woman never stood a fighting chance being knife & stabbed in her own home. Tazered first so she couldn't fight back, then stabbed more than 40 times. How in the name of the gods did her accomplice let herself get dragged into it? Two sick individuals. " The only theory I have about the accomplice is that she was in awe of Williams. She kept the diary of all their meetings to plan this and it seems to have been a large part of her 'social' life. | |||
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"Just read up on this. The diary entries are shocking... " They really are but things you talk about, fantasise about and write down are fine if you never act on them. It's the fact that they did act on them that surprises me. | |||
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"The rather horrific story of Sadie Hartley's death at the hands of Sarah Williams has left me thinking about obsession and revenge. Ian Johnston ended his relationship with Williams because she became "possessive and difficult" but he continued to sext her after he was in a relationship with Sadie Hartley. Why was he still possessed to keep contact with someone he felt was possessive and difficult? Williams then plotted to kill the woman she saw as her rival and convinced Katrina Walsh to work with her to kill Hartley. It reads like a bad novel but it is so horribly real. " I don't know why he kept in touch with her but I've come across several people who keep in touch with possessive and obsessive ex partners. A particular friend of mine couldn't understand why an obsessive ex kept on texting her, when I asked her about it she had been replying. | |||
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"Just read up on this. The diary entries are shocking... They really are but things you talk about, fantasise about and write down are fine if you never act on them. It's the fact that they did act on them that surprises me." Where it was all premeditated they can't be insane just sick people. In my opinion any way.. | |||
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"The rather horrific story of Sadie Hartley's death at the hands of Sarah Williams has left me thinking about obsession and revenge. Ian Johnston ended his relationship with Williams because she became "possessive and difficult" but he continued to sext her after he was in a relationship with Sadie Hartley. Why was he still possessed to keep contact with someone he felt was possessive and difficult? Williams then plotted to kill the woman she saw as her rival and convinced Katrina Walsh to work with her to kill Hartley. It reads like a bad novel but it is so horribly real. I don't know why he kept in touch with her but I've come across several people who keep in touch with possessive and obsessive ex partners. A particular friend of mine couldn't understand why an obsessive ex kept on texting her, when I asked her about it she had been replying. "I do wonder about how much fuel is added to the obsession and feelings of possession by people who keep in touch. Sexting smacks of leading her to believe there was something to be resurrected. | |||
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"Just read up on this. The diary entries are shocking... They really are but things you talk about, fantasise about and write down are fine if you never act on them. It's the fact that they did act on them that surprises me. Where it was all premeditated they can't be insane just sick people. In my opinion any way.." I understand what you're saying and I am sure the court will have had psychological evaluations on them both but that level of obsession is not what anyone can think of as sane. And if it is sane then that leaves us with evil.  | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life.
She doesn't appear to be contrite at all though. Upset at the verdict, of course.
Their plots to throw people off the scent included considering leaving an 'Islamic flag' so that Muslims would be blamed.
It's bizarre but they are not being treated as insane.
I think it's cold calculated hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, insanity would be almost a cop out
Almost two years of cold calculated hell hath no fury? Surely that is insane? How does a rational person hold that much fury for that long about a one time sexual partner?
"For years apparently, people can become obsessed pretty easily. It's borderline insanity I have no doubt about that but that makes her & the friend both insane, doesn't sit right with me. It was cold calculated, fuelled by jealously & obsession. | |||
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"The rather horrific story of Sadie Hartley's death at the hands of Sarah Williams has left me thinking about obsession and revenge. Ian Johnston ended his relationship with Williams because she became "possessive and difficult" but he continued to sext her after he was in a relationship with Sadie Hartley. Why was he still possessed to keep contact with someone he felt was possessive and difficult? Williams then plotted to kill the woman she saw as her rival and convinced Katrina Walsh to work with her to kill Hartley. It reads like a bad novel but it is so horribly real. I don't know why he kept in touch with her but I've come across several people who keep in touch with possessive and obsessive ex partners. A particular friend of mine couldn't understand why an obsessive ex kept on texting her, when I asked her about it she had been replying.
I do wonder about how much fuel is added to the obsession and feelings of possession by people who keep in touch. Sexting smacks of leading her to believe there was something to be resurrected.
"I think that sometimes the relationship between obsessive and obsessee is complicated and sort of co-dependent. Another woman I knew who was in an abusive relationship was beaten so badly by her partner that weeks after her whole body was black and blue...her entire body! Several weeks later she began sending him teasing little notes despite a restraining order being in place against him. I still don't understand it. I don't mean to imply that this happens in every case though. | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life.
She doesn't appear to be contrite at all though. Upset at the verdict, of course.
Their plots to throw people off the scent included considering leaving an 'Islamic flag' so that Muslims would be blamed.
It's bizarre but they are not being treated as insane.
I think it's cold calculated hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, insanity would be almost a cop out
Almost two years of cold calculated hell hath no fury? Surely that is insane? How does a rational person hold that much fury for that long about a one time sexual partner?
For years apparently, people can become obsessed pretty easily.
It's borderline insanity I have no doubt about that but that makes her & the friend both insane, doesn't sit right with me.
It was cold calculated, fuelled by jealously & obsession.
"I harbour crushes and infatuations for years, Christ I've had a crush on the manager of my local McDonalds for 15 years but I don't have that level of insanity inside me. Can't even call this a crime of passion cos it's been over a year in the planning, horrible. I haven't even read it yet, will when I go to bed. | |||
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" I don't know why he kept in touch with her but I've come across several people who keep in touch with possessive and obsessive ex partners. A particular friend of mine couldn't understand why an obsessive ex kept on texting her, when I asked her about it she had been replying.
I do wonder about how much fuel is added to the obsession and feelings of possession by people who keep in touch. Sexting smacks of leading her to believe there was something to be resurrected.
I think that sometimes the relationship between obsessive and obsessee is complicated and sort of co-dependent. Another woman I knew who was in an abusive relationship was beaten so badly by her partner that weeks after her whole body was black and blue...her entire body! Several weeks later she began sending him teasing little notes despite a restraining order being in place against him. I still don't understand it.
I don't mean to imply that this happens in every case though."I have seen that quite often in domestic abuse. | |||
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" I think that sometimes the relationship between obsessive and obsessee is complicated and sort of co-dependent. Another woman I knew who was in an abusive relationship was beaten so badly by her partner that weeks after her whole body was black and blue...her entire body! Several weeks later she began sending him teasing little notes despite a restraining order being in place against him. I still don't understand it. I don't mean to imply that this happens in every case though. I have seen that quite often in domestic abuse. "I wonder sometimes if obsession isn't always a one way thing. | |||
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" I think that sometimes the relationship between obsessive and obsessee is complicated and sort of co-dependent. Another woman I knew who was in an abusive relationship was beaten so badly by her partner that weeks after her whole body was black and blue...her entire body! Several weeks later she began sending him teasing little notes despite a restraining order being in place against him. I still don't understand it. I don't mean to imply that this happens in every case though. I have seen that quite often in domestic abuse.
I wonder sometimes if obsession isn't always a one way thing."I would agree, some people get validation and gratification from being the object of such dedicated pursuit, and choose to ignore the obvious red flags. | |||
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" I think that sometimes the relationship between obsessive and obsessee is complicated and sort of co-dependent. Another woman I knew who was in an abusive relationship was beaten so badly by her partner that weeks after her whole body was black and blue...her entire body! Several weeks later she began sending him teasing little notes despite a restraining order being in place against him. I still don't understand it. I don't mean to imply that this happens in every case though. I have seen that quite often in domestic abuse.
I wonder sometimes if obsession isn't always a one way thing.
I would agree, some people get validation and gratification from being the object of such dedicated pursuit, and choose to ignore the obvious red flags."I agree. It was the thought I had about Johnston when I heard all of this on the radio as I drove home from work. How much of a kick did he get from having two women wanting him? | |||
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" I think that sometimes the relationship between obsessive and obsessee is complicated and sort of co-dependent. Another woman I knew who was in an abusive relationship was beaten so badly by her partner that weeks after her whole body was black and blue...her entire body! Several weeks later she began sending him teasing little notes despite a restraining order being in place against him. I still don't understand it. I don't mean to imply that this happens in every case though. I have seen that quite often in domestic abuse.
I wonder sometimes if obsession isn't always a one way thing.
I would agree, some people get validation and gratification from being the object of such dedicated pursuit, and choose to ignore the obvious red flags.
I agree. It was the thought I had about Johnston when I heard all of this on the radio as I drove home from work. How much of a kick did he get from having two women wanting him?
"He's hardly unique in that, and it doesn't mean he is responsible for the actions of others. | |||
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" I think that sometimes the relationship between obsessive and obsessee is complicated and sort of co-dependent. Another woman I knew who was in an abusive relationship was beaten so badly by her partner that weeks after her whole body was black and blue...her entire body! Several weeks later she began sending him teasing little notes despite a restraining order being in place against him. I still don't understand it. I don't mean to imply that this happens in every case though." In any victim situation there is the possibility of 'Stockholm Syndrome', where the victim forms a bond with their oppressor. Historically about 8% of hostages form a bond with their captor. The longer the situation endures the more common it is. Hence why domestic abuse situations can be so difficult and victims seem to make irrational choices from an outside perspective. Domestic abuse victims need more understanding than they sometimes get. Q | |||
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" I think that sometimes the relationship between obsessive and obsessee is complicated and sort of co-dependent. Another woman I knew who was in an abusive relationship was beaten so badly by her partner that weeks after her whole body was black and blue...her entire body! Several weeks later she began sending him teasing little notes despite a restraining order being in place against him. I still don't understand it. I don't mean to imply that this happens in every case though. In any victim situation there is the possibility of 'Stockholm Syndrome', where the victim forms a bond with their oppressor. Historically about 8% of hostages form a bond with their captor. The longer the situation endures the more common it is. Hence why domestic abuse situations can be so difficult and victims seem to make irrational choices from an outside perspective. Domestic abuse victims need more understanding than they sometimes get. Q" That isnt stockholm syndrome? Its when a kidnapp victim or an hostage forms a bond with their capture,which they have not met previous | |||
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" I think that sometimes the relationship between obsessive and obsessee is complicated and sort of co-dependent. Another woman I knew who was in an abusive relationship was beaten so badly by her partner that weeks after her whole body was black and blue...her entire body! Several weeks later she began sending him teasing little notes despite a restraining order being in place against him. I still don't understand it. I don't mean to imply that this happens in every case though. In any victim situation there is the possibility of 'Stockholm Syndrome', where the victim forms a bond with their oppressor. Historically about 8% of hostages form a bond with their captor. The longer the situation endures the more common it is. Hence why domestic abuse situations can be so difficult and victims seem to make irrational choices from an outside perspective. Domestic abuse victims need more understanding than they sometimes get. Q" I'm sure they do and I'm not unsympathetic. | |||
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"If you didn't know the story and read this thread, you'd assume the guy was the murderer!! " I was responding to the second paragraph of the original post because I found it interesting. I don't think he's to blame I think he was being human. | |||
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" I think that sometimes the relationship between obsessive and obsessee is complicated and sort of co-dependent. Another woman I knew who was in an abusive relationship was beaten so badly by her partner that weeks after her whole body was black and blue...her entire body! Several weeks later she began sending him teasing little notes despite a restraining order being in place against him. I still don't understand it. I don't mean to imply that this happens in every case though. I have seen that quite often in domestic abuse.
I wonder sometimes if obsession isn't always a one way thing.
I would agree, some people get validation and gratification from being the object of such dedicated pursuit, and choose to ignore the obvious red flags.
I agree. It was the thought I had about Johnston when I heard all of this on the radio as I drove home from work. How much of a kick did he get from having two women wanting him?
He's hardly unique in that, and it doesn't mean he is responsible for the actions of others."I'm not suggesting he led to the killing of Hartley but he ended the relationship with Williams because she was possessive and difficult. He then kept up a relationship with her through sexting. He is responsible to keeping her in his life. | |||
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"If you didn't know the story and read this thread, you'd assume the guy was the murderer!! I was responding to the second paragraph of the original post because I found it interesting. I don't think he's to blame I think he was being human." I wasn't aiming that specifically at you. But there are a lot of comments of thinly veiled misandry. 89% of murders are committed by men. She's definitely the odd one out in this!! | |||
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"If you didn't know the story and read this thread, you'd assume the guy was the murderer!! I was responding to the second paragraph of the original post because I found it interesting. I don't think he's to blame I think he was being human." Me too. The case got me thinking about the nature of obsession and the factors that feed the obsession. | |||
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" I think that sometimes the relationship between obsessive and obsessee is complicated and sort of co-dependent. Another woman I knew who was in an abusive relationship was beaten so badly by her partner that weeks after her whole body was black and blue...her entire body! Several weeks later she began sending him teasing little notes despite a restraining order being in place against him. I still don't understand it. I don't mean to imply that this happens in every case though. I have seen that quite often in domestic abuse.
I wonder sometimes if obsession isn't always a one way thing.
I would agree, some people get validation and gratification from being the object of such dedicated pursuit, and choose to ignore the obvious red flags.
I agree. It was the thought I had about Johnston when I heard all of this on the radio as I drove home from work. How much of a kick did he get from having two women wanting him?
He's hardly unique in that, and it doesn't mean he is responsible for the actions of others.
I'm not suggesting he led to the killing of Hartley but he ended the relationship with Williams because she was possessive and difficult. He then kept up a relationship with her through sexting. He is responsible to keeping her in his life.
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"If you didn't know the story and read this thread, you'd assume the guy was the murderer!! " Par for the course here  | |||
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"If you didn't know the story and read this thread, you'd assume the guy was the murderer!! I was responding to the second paragraph of the original post because I found it interesting. I don't think he's to blame I think he was being human. I wasn't aiming that specifically at you. But there are a lot of comments of thinly veiled misandry. 89% of murders are committed by men. She's definitely the odd one out in this!! " I know you weren't  . | |||
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"If you didn't know the story and read this thread, you'd assume the guy was the murderer!! I was responding to the second paragraph of the original post because I found it interesting. I don't think he's to blame I think he was being human. I wasn't aiming that specifically at you. But there are a lot of comments of thinly veiled misandry. 89% of murders are committed by men. She's definitely the odd one out in this!! "  | |||
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"If you didn't know the story and read this thread, you'd assume the guy was the murderer!! Par for the course here "Why is it par for the course? I am clear Williams and Walsh killed Sadie Hartley. Horribly, horrendously, brutally with malice aforethought. My intention for this thread was to consider the nature of obsession and what gives that oxygen. | |||
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"If you didn't know the story and read this thread, you'd assume the guy was the murderer!! Par for the course here
Why is it par for the course?
I am clear Williams and Walsh killed Sadie Hartley. Horribly, horrendously, brutally with malice aforethought.
My intention for this thread was to consider the nature of obsession and what gives that oxygen.
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"If you didn't know the story and read this thread, you'd assume the guy was the murderer!! Par for the course here
Why is it par for the course?
I am clear Williams and Walsh killed Sadie Hartley. Horribly, horrendously, brutally with malice aforethought.
My intention for this thread was to consider the nature of obsession and what gives that oxygen.
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"If you didn't know the story and read this thread, you'd assume the guy was the murderer!! Par for the course here
Why is it par for the course?
I am clear Williams and Walsh killed Sadie Hartley. Horribly, horrendously, brutally with malice aforethought.
My intention for this thread was to consider the nature of obsession and what gives that oxygen.
Phew! I thought I'd misunderstood."This was my first sentence in the op: The rather horrific story of Sadie Hartley's death at the hands of Sarah Williams has left me thinking about obsession and revenge. | |||
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"If you didn't know the story and read this thread, you'd assume the guy was the murderer!! Par for the course here
Why is it par for the course?
I am clear Williams and Walsh killed Sadie Hartley. Horribly, horrendously, brutally with malice aforethought.
My intention for this thread was to consider the nature of obsession and what gives that oxygen.
Phew! I thought I'd misunderstood.
This was my first sentence in the op:
The rather horrific story of Sadie Hartley's death at the hands of Sarah Williams has left me thinking about obsession and revenge."Indeed it was. | |||
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"If you didn't know the story and read this thread, you'd assume the guy was the murderer!! Par for the course here
Why is it par for the course?
I am clear Williams and Walsh killed Sadie Hartley. Horribly, horrendously, brutally with malice aforethought.
My intention for this thread was to consider the nature of obsession and what gives that oxygen.
Phew! I thought I'd misunderstood.
This was my first sentence in the op:
The rather horrific story of Sadie Hartley's death at the hands of Sarah Williams has left me thinking about obsession and revenge.
Indeed it was."And look at the first reply!! | |||
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"If you didn't know the story and read this thread, you'd assume the guy was the murderer!! Par for the course here
Why is it par for the course?
I am clear Williams and Walsh killed Sadie Hartley. Horribly, horrendously, brutally with malice aforethought.
My intention for this thread was to consider the nature of obsession and what gives that oxygen.
Phew! I thought I'd misunderstood.
This was my first sentence in the op:
The rather horrific story of Sadie Hartley's death at the hands of Sarah Williams has left me thinking about obsession and revenge."Just sent you a pm op | |||
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"It's a truly horrible story where these woman hated another woman so much for nothing more than having a relationship with a man one of them wanted for herself. Her acolyte wanted to please her. One person's obsession bred another's. " If you saw a picture of the accomplice and didn't know who she was, it wouldn't be the most shocking thing to find out what she did afterwards. I mean honestly I assumed she was the husband. | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life. "I hate putting words into people's mouths, did you actually mean to type; "The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that she/they (the cold blooded calculating murderer and her accomplice) are haunted by their actions for the rest of their lives." | |||
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"The rather horrific story of Sadie Hartley's death at the hands of Sarah Williams has left me thinking about obsession and revenge. Ian Johnston ended his relationship with Williams because she became "possessive and difficult" but he continued to sext her after he was in a relationship with Sadie Hartley. Why was he still possessed to keep contact with someone he felt was possessive and difficult? Williams then plotted to kill the woman she saw as her rival and convinced Katrina Walsh to work with her to kill Hartley. It reads like a bad novel but it is so horribly real. I don't know why he kept in touch with her but I've come across several people who keep in touch with possessive and obsessive ex partners. A particular friend of mine couldn't understand why an obsessive ex kept on texting her, when I asked her about it she had been replying.
I do wonder about how much fuel is added to the obsession and feelings of possession by people who keep in touch. Sexting smacks of leading her to believe there was something to be resurrected.
I think that sometimes the relationship between obsessive and obsessee is complicated and sort of co-dependent. Another woman I knew who was in an abusive relationship was beaten so badly by her partner that weeks after her whole body was black and blue...her entire body! Several weeks later she began sending him teasing little notes despite a restraining order being in place against him. I still don't understand it.
I don't mean to imply that this happens in every case though." she clearly liked being in control, whether she actually was, is another question. | |||
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" if you know Chester & Blacon in particular..Williams lived in one of the shittest areas and roads..you wouldn't run around proudly exclaiming you lived there... Basically there's some right dickheads live there and yes not everyone is like that but a lot of Chester's rubbish do " It's funny isn't it, it's always the armpits of society that fight hardest to keep what they've got, even though they have fuck all! | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life.
Possibly a tad harsh."In the Yorkshire Post today he is claiming to be a victim. Spineless doesn't cover it! | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life.
I hate putting words into people's mouths, did you actually mean to type;
"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that she/they (the cold blooded calculating murderer and her accomplice) are haunted by their actions for the rest of their lives."
"No I typed what I thought. Had he not dangled the opportunity of resuming the relationship between him and this (In his own words'obsessive woman' it might never have cost this poor woman her life. | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life.
I hate putting words into people's mouths, did you actually mean to type;
"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that she/they (the cold blooded calculating murderer and her accomplice) are haunted by their actions for the rest of their lives."
No I typed what I thought. Had he not dangled the opportunity of resuming the relationship between him and this (In his own words'obsessive woman' it might never have cost this poor woman her life. "What the actual fuck? So now weare suppsed to assume that any ex's we may have who we deem to be slightly bonkers are capable of cold blooded murder? | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life.
Possibly a tad harsh.
In the Yorkshire Post today he is claiming to be a victim. Spineless doesn't cover it! "Although he may have carried on texting or sexting her there is no way he could have known she was going to paralyse and stab his new partner. I am sure he does feel guilty every day bit it doesn't make him less of a victim. | |||
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"If you didn't know the story and read this thread, you'd assume the guy was the murderer!! Par for the course here
Why is it par for the course?
I am clear Williams and Walsh killed Sadie Hartley. Horribly, horrendously, brutally with malice aforethought.
My intention for this thread was to consider the nature of obsession and what gives that oxygen.
"Sometimes the guy himself can promote that. My last ex used to take up all my time, which at first in a relationship tends to be normal, you do get a bit infatuated with each other and i think that's normal. It happened for well over a year. I stopped doing all the things i enjoyed because of it, stopped meeting the people i enjoyed meeting, and it just happened slowly over time that i didnt notice. In a technological age it's also fairly easy for a guy to keep in contact with you any time they want to. He even insisted we sleep together on skype when not together. Nobody had even been so 'thoughtful' before, even people who knew about it thought it was 'sweet'. Anyway i guess what i'm saying is if someone takes up all of your time and you don't mind because you take it something other than them controlling you then i can see how it can happen. I guess i stayed in the obsessed stage because he made sur ei had nothing else to turn to, plus seemed pretty obsessed himself. It was only when my ex best friend got back in touch on facebook that i realised he was controlling me because he was really upset and jealous i was talking to her. And when i went to comic con with my best mate but without him he started looking for someone else. Manipulators can make you obsessed about them. I actually felt like i was going mental after i split up with him and unless you've had a relationship with a covert abuser then you might not get it. I found out about his girlfriend when he tried to hoove me back nto his life now he's got bored with her. All i did was tell her what he'd been doing, killing her never even crossed my mind and in fact i couldn't really care who she was as she was nothing to with me, i just wanted him out of my life for good (like i had done the same with my overt abuser) and then figure out wtf was wrong with me to be with someone like him and how i'd let him take over my life like that. I do have some answers now over a year later. It's possible either of them (or both) were encouraging the obsession with the other. I guess the fact that a woman doesn't really care about anyone but herself is a good indicator of what type of person she is. She went into a relationship expecting to change the man and take him for herself probably. I also note you asked why she isn't considered insane, it's probably because she knew exactly what she was doing because she planned it all, calculated it. | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life.
Possibly a tad harsh.
In the Yorkshire Post today he is claiming to be a victim. Spineless doesn't cover it!
Although he may have carried on texting or sexting her there is no way he could have known she was going to paralyse and stab his new partner. I am sure he does feel guilty every day bit it doesn't make him less of a victim. "Exactly. All the blame should be placed on the woman who plunged that blade into the other innocent woman over 40 times. | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life.
I hate putting words into people's mouths, did you actually mean to type;
"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that she/they (the cold blooded calculating murderer and her accomplice) are haunted by their actions for the rest of their lives."
No I typed what I thought. Had he not dangled the opportunity of resuming the relationship between him and this (In his own words'obsessive woman' it might never have cost this poor woman her life. "People on a swinging website condemning someone for sexting | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life.
I hate putting words into people's mouths, did you actually mean to type;
"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that she/they (the cold blooded calculating murderer and her accomplice) are haunted by their actions for the rest of their lives."
No I typed what I thought. Had he not dangled the opportunity of resuming the relationship between him and this (In his own words'obsessive woman' it might never have cost this poor woman her life. "Any thoughts on the two murderers? You know, the ones who spent 18 months planning the murder, writing down their plans on a daily basis, used a stun gun to incapacitate the victim, stabbed her 40 times and then tried to point the finger of guilt elsewhere? I believe they're known as the criminals. | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life.
I hate putting words into people's mouths, did you actually mean to type;
"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that she/they (the cold blooded calculating murderer and her accomplice) are haunted by their actions for the rest of their lives."
No I typed what I thought. Had he not dangled the opportunity of resuming the relationship between him and this (In his own words'obsessive woman' it might never have cost this poor woman her life. "I don't think he's entirely blameless either. Clearly not the murderer. But not blameless. | |||
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"The women who planned and carried out the murder are the criminals. The actions of the man contributed to the obsession and possibly if he hadn't continued contact or action had been taken when the letter had been sent claiming he'd been having an affair or any one of hundreds of other things hadn't taken place the poor lady victim might still be alive..." If your aunt had bullocks then she'd be your uncle | |||
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"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that he is haunted by his actions for the rest of his life.
I hate putting words into people's mouths, did you actually mean to type;
"The poor victim and her daughter, I really feel for them. I hope that she/they (the cold blooded calculating murderer and her accomplice) are haunted by their actions for the rest of their lives."
No I typed what I thought. Had he not dangled the opportunity of resuming the relationship between him and this (In his own words'obsessive woman' it might never have cost this poor woman her life.
People on a swinging website condemning someone for sexting "Probably the very ones who tell us they never judge cheaters!! | |||
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"The women who planned and carried out the murder are the criminals. The actions of the man contributed to the obsession and possibly if he hadn't continued contact or action had been taken when the letter had been sent claiming he'd been having an affair or any one of hundreds of other things hadn't taken place the poor lady victim might still be alive... If your aunt had bullocks then she'd be your uncle " She has got a couple of heifers, I think they're a bit too much for her though so she's going to sell them and go in for sheep.   | |||
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"The women who planned and carried out the murder are the criminals. The actions of the man contributed to the obsession and possibly if he hadn't continued contact or action had been taken when the letter had been sent claiming he'd been having an affair or any one of hundreds of other things hadn't taken place the poor lady victim might still be alive... If your aunt had bullocks then she'd be your uncle She has got a couple of heifers, I think they're a bit too much for her though so she's going to sell them and go in for sheep. "Fucking auto correct!! Still, most farmers are men so it's a stereotype rather than a falsehood. | |||
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"The women who planned and carried out the murder are the criminals. The actions of the man contributed to the obsession and possibly if he hadn't continued contact or action had been taken when the letter had been sent claiming he'd been having an affair or any one of hundreds of other things hadn't taken place the poor lady victim might still be alive... If your aunt had bullocks then she'd be your uncle She has got a couple of heifers, I think they're a bit too much for her though so she's going to sell them and go in for sheep.
Fucking auto correct!! Still, most farmers are men so it's a stereotype rather than a falsehood. " I had to retype it because it autocorrected buttocks to buttocks. | |||
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