FabSwingers.com forum: Degradation

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I've been a contributer to a bukkake session and she loved it. Not sure about the level of degregation there.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

Maybe it's the taboo aspect? Or maybe some ladies like the role play aspect of letting go and acting the "slut" so to speak.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bukkake as we see it now is a bastardisation of its origin's.

I don't understand why people piss on each other.

Each to their own. It does nothing for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm afraid I'm the female perspective that loves it. Although not bukkake, but degradation, humiliation, control relinquishment, anything along those lines x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe it's the taboo aspect? Or maybe some ladies like the role play aspect of letting go and acting the "slut" so to speak."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bondage on boobs, can be a turn on as it can make them hyper sensitive after removed. Gagging can be to do with giving over control and for some, an element of humiliation. It's not for everyone but I understand the mindset involved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I enjoy submitting but not humiliation each to their own

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm afraid I'm the female perspective that loves it. Although not bukkake, but degradation, humiliation, control relinquishment, anything along those lines x"

It is hot to experience that as a guy doing it. I've pushed my boundaries with things like this with a regular FB. Obviously there are boundaries and wishes to be respected but it does make me extremely aroused

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't like the thought of harming or nastily degrading a woman for the sake of sexual pleasure, but I do find submissiveness from women very exciting, especially with things like anal, ass to mouth, swallowing etc. These things won't be for everyone, but I can understand how some people would enjoy being submissive in these kind of acts, probably from the sense of excitement and trust involved, and enjoyment of pleasing their partner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And like anything there is a broad spectrum.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm afraid I'm the female perspective that loves it. Although not bukkake, but degradation, humiliation, control relinquishment, anything along those lines x

I just add it was nothing like tying boobs up. But bounding wrists and ankles, leg bars, spanking with pads and choking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people go through life using sex just purely for procreation, rather than recreation, it takes all sorts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. "

each to their own

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Ive done tons of bukkake/gangbangs nevet entered my head it was a form of degradtion. I did them cause i loved them. I stopped when i got bored

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. "

I haven't been abused. But a woman absolutely destroyed me once. It felt good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me, sex is sex, I don't connect it with emotions of the heart, it's about the thrill. And the thrill for me is the feeling of being filthy, doing things people would never imagine you'd do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find different degrading scenarios a turn on and I also like extreme deepthroating, where they gag and get watery eyes, sometimes they are in dungeons tied up. I also like bdsm punishments

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Different strokes for different folks. Eg ome people enjoy spanking others see it as abuse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm afraid I'm the female perspective that loves it. Although not bukkake, but degradation, humiliation, control relinquishment, anything along those lines x

I just add it was nothing like tying boobs up. But bounding wrists and ankles, leg bars, spanking with pads and choking

You can come and bind me anytime

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm afraid I'm the female perspective that loves it. Although not bukkake, but degradation, humiliation, control relinquishment, anything along those lines x

I just add it was nothing like tying boobs up. But bounding wrists and ankles, leg bars, spanking with pads and choking

You can come and bind me anytime

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. "

There's a huge difference between 'abused' and consensual elements of BDSM. I've been a victim of domestic violence that's abuse. However I'm submissive and enjoy bdsm sub space is amazing place to be in aftercare is imperative. But it's not ABUSE x

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

I don't find rope play degrading. It's painful which is the point for a masochist.

The other stuff I find horribly degrading but there are many people who find it sexually exciting including the degredation aspect. Each to their own as long as it is consenting.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I like feeling dominated. But only in bed and only if I know the guy is totally looking after me.

Strikes me that is a power thing, and feeling powerful is an aphrodisiac. For me, it's a pretty nasty, unsophisticated way to get it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You like rimming and spanking. Others might not understand why those activities appeal to you.

It is hard to explain why any particular sexual activity appeals.

It is a bit like asking why someone likes (or dislikes) the taste of marmite. The only answer that can truly be given is "Because I do."

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I guess one persons norm is a kink to others

I just do what i like. I dont understand why some people want to be beaten within an inch of their lives but its them doing it not me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe it's the taboo aspect? Or maybe some ladies like the role play aspect of letting go and acting the "slut" so to speak."

This.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's only abusive if the recipient regards it as abusive. For many many people being degraded / humiliated is a massive turn on! Not me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed with everything..

But say the word aftercare to most and they look at you like you've turned into a frog!

I think abuse is just a turn of phrase, not to be taken literally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like feeling dominated. But only in bed and only if I know the guy is totally looking after me.

Strikes me that is a power thing, and feeling powerful is an aphrodisiac. For me, it's a pretty nasty, unsophisticated way to get it. "

It's not cool to label others preferences as nasty or unsophisticated to be honest. Each to their own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up.

I haven't been abused. But a woman absolutely destroyed me once. It felt good

Destroyed how?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed with everything..

But say the word aftercare to most and they look at you like you've turned into a frog!

Safe sane consensual. The BDSM community would never use abuse to describe any of its elements

I think abuse is just a turn of phrase, not to be taken literally"

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. "

maybe she actually does enjoy it, and that is part of the arousal for the partner and other's..?

'fucked up' is a bit strong, long as its consensual and legal etc its live and let live surely..

was going to say horses for courses but best not eh..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. "

I can only speak from my own perspective, for me, its the feeling of power, but, not in a traditional sense, before I embark on any kind of bdsm play with some one new, I like to have a lot of dialogue with her first, what her limits are, what she has tried before, what are absolute no no's and so on and so forth.

It is only after gaining this vital information that I can find a good starting point, and then start to push limits.

This means I can seamlessly go through her fantasies without having to say "do you like that?" Or "is this OK?" Thus keeping the illusion of her relinquishing control, though in reality, I'm just doing what she wants me to do, imagine being with a guy who knows exactly how you want to be touched, and for how long, without having to teach him on the fly.

Noiw my pleasure comes from knowing that I'm exciting her, and making all of her fantasies come true.

I've said it so many times on here, if you think a Dom is all about his own gratification, you haven't met the right Dom, were servants to the gratification of others, were the slaves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like feeling dominated. But only in bed and only if I know the guy is totally looking after me.

Strikes me that is a power thing, and feeling powerful is an aphrodisiac. For me, it's a pretty nasty, unsophisticated way to get it. "

You mention the power thing, and I agree with you, it makes sense that it would be an aphrodisiac. Perhaps for some people though, their supposed submission IS a display of power - I mean if a beautiful woman came on here, saying that she enjoys all kinds of taboo and submissive stuff, how many guys do you think she could effortlessly have pursuing her?

In things like porn, women are often shown in the more submissive roles, but how many so megastars, big names in porn, are almost always women? And how many thousands upon thousands of guys in the world desire them? You don't always have to be the one on top, to have the power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like feeling dominated. But only in bed and only if I know the guy is totally looking after me.

Strikes me that is a power thing, and feeling powerful is an aphrodisiac. For me, it's a pretty nasty, unsophisticated way to get it.

A lot of people don't realise that the power lies SOLELY with the submissive, it is them that have given the gift of it, and it's there's to take away in an instant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up.

It is only after gaining this vital information that I can find a good starting point, and then start to push limits.

Noiw my pleasure comes from knowing that I'm exciting her, and making all of her fantasies come true.

I've said it so many times on here, if you think a Dom is all about his own gratification, you haven't met the right Dom, were servants to the gratification of others, were the slaves"

The submissive holds the control a lot can't understand this concept as they think the dom top master daddy etc does

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like feeling dominated. But only in bed and only if I know the guy is totally looking after me.

Strikes me that is a power thing, and feeling powerful is an aphrodisiac. For me, it's a pretty nasty, unsophisticated way to get it.

A lot of people don't realise that the power lies SOLELY with the submissive, it is them that have given the gift of it, and it's there's to take away in an instant"

I've just commented the exact same

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

its human nature, everyones got a sadistic side to them. I have met a few men like this in my time, women are the same too of course. Some things seem wrong to me but then i can see why some people enjoy them. I prefer straight sex because thats all i need. Bukkake seems like fun and i watched a german film of it and liked it, be a pain cleaning up the mess though. I dont get why men like seeing a womans tits bound tight though, seems pointless. Watersports is pretty revolting in my opinion.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

A lot of people don't realise that the power lies SOLELY with the submissive, it is them that have given the gift of it, and it's there's to take away in an instant"

this and what kinky butler said in his last paragraph..

a sub giving their consent within understood and agreed parameters is a massive privilege and responsibility to and for the dominant other..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up.

It is only after gaining this vital information that I can find a good starting point, and then start to push limits.

Noiw my pleasure comes from knowing that I'm exciting her, and making all of her fantasies come true.

I've said it so many times on here, if you think a Dom is all about his own gratification, you haven't met the right Dom, were servants to the gratification of others, were the slaves

The submissive holds the control a lot can't understand this concept as they think the dom top master daddy etc does "

I can't help but chuckle when I hear people say that Dom's have all the power, we only hold the power we are allowed to have, so, we are a bunch of pussy whipped bitches really lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"its human nature, everyones got a sadistic side to them. I have met a few men like this in my time, women are the same too of course. Some things seem wrong to me but then i can see why some people enjoy them. I prefer straight sex because thats all i need. Bukkake seems like fun and i watched a german film of it and liked it, be a pain cleaning up the mess though. I dont get why men like seeing a womans tits bound tight though, seems pointless. Watersports is pretty revolting in my opinion."

Shibari and breast bondage is an artform. And they should never turn a funny colour , when practising some elements of bdsm it really is a good idea to understand what things can go wrong and educate yourself on anatomy etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of people don't realise that the power lies SOLELY with the submissive, it is them that have given the gift of it, and it's there's to take away in an instant

this and what kinky butler said in his last paragraph..

a sub giving their consent within understood and agreed parameters is a massive privilege and responsibility to and for the dominant other..

Surely both have the power. I never understand just one having the power. It's a mutual thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up.

It is only after gaining this vital information that I can find a good starting point, and then start to push limits.

Noiw my pleasure comes from knowing that I'm exciting her, and making all of her fantasies come true.

I've said it so many times on here, if you think a Dom is all about his own gratification, you haven't met the right Dom, were servants to the gratification of others, were the slaves

The submissive holds the control a lot can't understand this concept as they think the dom top master daddy etc does

I can't help but chuckle when I hear people say that Dom's have all the power, we only hold the power we are allowed to have, so, we are a bunch of pussy whipped bitches really lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. "

Well speaking as a guy who enjoys being on the receiving end of 'abuse' I guess I am fucked up

This is just my perspective,and I have limited experience of being in this situation. And I'm not ultra comfortable bearing my soul on an open forum, but here goes.

It's about catharsis, completely letting go and becoming someone else, forgetting about the stresses and strain of everyday life. So I'm just a sub who exists for somebody else's pleasure albeit temporarily. And yes the feeling of being close to tears and having an intense orgasm is indescribable.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

A lot of people don't realise that the power lies SOLELY with the submissive, it is them that have given the gift of it, and it's there's to take away in an instant

this and what kinky butler said in his last paragraph..

a sub giving their consent within understood and agreed parameters is a massive privilege and responsibility to and for the dominant other..

Surely both have the power. I never understand just one having the power. It's a mutual thing. "

it is mutual yes, hence there needs to be communication before and a safe word during if needed..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I won't have anything to do with breast torture, I'm just not convinced of its safety in regards to links with breast cancer, and until I see some compelling evidence, it will be a total no from me on that one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love being sub to mr NbN but I don't think I'd feel comfortable being submissive to others

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By *edRapscallionMan
over a year ago

London

"For me, sex is sex, I don't connect it with emotions of the heart, it's about the thrill. And the thrill for me is the feeling of being filthy, doing things people would never imagine you'd do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im with you on that one x

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

A lot of people don't realise that the power lies SOLELY with the submissive, it is them that have given the gift of it, and it's there's to take away in an instant

this and what kinky butler said in his last paragraph..

a sub giving their consent within understood and agreed parameters is a massive privilege and responsibility to and for the dominant other..

Surely both have the power. I never understand just one having the power. It's a mutual thing. "

They do. The Dom can say no or end the arrangement or scene just as easily and instantly as the sub.

A sub only has the power to consent or to stop things. They don't have the power to direct what actually happens, if the Dom is any good!

A sub may, for example, want a particular act but whether it happens is down to the Dom. Also, a sub, high on endorphins, may want more caning or whipping or whatever but if the Dom judges they've had enough, (which is a responsibility of a good Dom), they'll be told no.

Anyone who says only the sub has power is wrong.

As an example, one form of pubishment I use, for serious transgressions, is to refuse to give the sub attention or play. In that case the sub accepts it, for as long as I decide, or ends our association. They have no power beyond those options.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Same here.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yeah, yeah, I know all about D/s. And I know all about that power play. Interesting that some of you immediately thought of it when degradation was mentioned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah, yeah, I know all about D/s. And I know all about that power play. Interesting that some of you immediately thought of it when degradation was mentioned. "

You know all about D/s do you? OK

In what way do you find it interesting?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All of the things mentioned in the OP are very visual, they're all to do with pushing the body to its limits, or changing the way the body looks. Regardless of whether it's your particular cup of tea or not, I see all of those as the higher end of voyeurism/exhibitionism. If it's consensual, it's not abuse.

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

They go a funny colour when that a the aim

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By *andsonjohnMan
over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

I love spanking name calling edging restraining dirty talk wax play rough play role play and a few other bdsm past times but I'm no sadomasochistic.

You see the inflicting of pain doesn't turn me what turns me on about that dynamic is the fact it turns on the consenting sub I'm in that dynamic with.

The reason I know I'm no sadomasochistic is because I once played with a sub who loved a lot of degradation especially a very hard caning she could orgasm from the hard cane play .

But I had to end the arrangement because during play I was fine but afterwards during the cool down showering and washing of her I would suffer from a massive guilt trip over the state of her body after play .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up.

It is only after gaining this vital information that I can find a good starting point, and then start to push limits.

Noiw my pleasure comes from knowing that I'm exciting her, and making all of her fantasies come true.

I've said it so many times on here, if you think a Dom is all about his own gratification, you haven't met the right Dom, were servants to the gratification of others, were the slaves"

I used to be open on here about what I enjoy but I had that many wannabes thinkin I was just open game for "legal" rape that I keep stum now.

xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They go a funny colour when that a the aim

They should neve turn dark blue or purple

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By *andsonjohnMan
over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

sadomasochistic and degradation normally go hand in hand I could tell you stories I've been told in confidence by subs about the their runs in with men who from how they behaved are clear sadomasochistic in the sexual make up and from what I've been told lack the control needed to play in that dynamic .

But to do so would be a breach of trust but know this any sub or any woman looking to get into bdsm make sure you know the true temperament of the guy your consenting to play with before you agree to play .

Just because you consent to one bit of play doesn't mean you have consent to everything that happens from that point on something from the stories I am told lots of so called dom's don't seem to understand or care about .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really good article. http://www.guiltied.com/cc/eng/dm/index.html

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By *ouplefunukCouple
over a year ago

North Bristol

I don't 'get' rimming. Why would you find it sexually arousing to put your tongue anywhere near where someone shits?

#justsaying.....

*Her*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really good article. http://www.guiltied.com/cc/eng/dm/index.html

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

I don't 'get' rimming. Why would you find it sexually arousing to put your tongue anywhere near where someone shits?

#justsaying.....

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over a year ago

I'm sure there is no one answer.

From conversations I've had, a couple of themes are:

The loss of control;

Feeling powerful when control is taken away (beating something and feeling strong);

Just a lovely of being filthy;

A love of being filthier than someone else.

I'm sure the list is as endless as people's imagination.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

None of the above appeal to me, they would not turn me on at all. XXX

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over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. "

I wouldn't say they were fucked up to be honest, if it's consenting adults. We each have our preferences. XXX

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over a year ago

I give a wry smile when people say the submissive has the power. This is normally said by swingers where the submissive is a female and also on fab and in swinging women have power because they are in economic terms are rare resource. In a D/S relationship either can withdraw consent, a dom can refuse as well. So only in desperate fab land does the sub have power. Try telling a domme she has no power over her subs!

If a sub has power it is not the usual D/s relationship. The sub cedes control that is what each party wants. The control should be within negotiated limits and the dom should act within both the spirit and the word of the negotition. If a sub tells me what in session what l should be doing l won't ignore her but l will end the session because you are topping from the bottom. I have 6 page checklist and you are going back on what was agreed. This could include wanting to be hit harder than agreed as you may be in a zone and not aware of what you are asking.

The above is only my _iew as one thing l have learnt there is no one true way in kink. That includes the politically and feminist correct behavior. As long as its consensual and fully informed people can do strange sh@t to each other!

There was a great picture of an arabic volleyball player in full kit and european volley ball player with near nothing on. It sums up how people _iew abuse and degradation because supporters of either woman would have thought the other has degrading kit imposed on her.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

There always seems to be some sort of elitist , academic , time served bullshit attached to what boils down to two people fucking the way they fuck.

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By *ngle DelightWoman
over a year ago

Blackpool

I have just recently started my submissive journey after attending a bdsm club quite a few times and I have to say I love it xx

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over a year ago

"Fucked up, nasty & unsophisticated" ~ interesting choice of words when we all have sexual preferences that may also be _iewed that way.

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over a year ago

"I give a wry smile when people say the submissive has the power. This is normally said by swingers where the submissive is a female and also on fab and in swinging women have power because they are in economic terms are rare resource. In a D/S relationship either can withdraw consent, a dom can refuse as well. So only in desperate fab land does the sub have power. Try telling a domme she has no power over her subs!

so I'm a plastic submissive ?

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up.

It is only after gaining this vital information that I can find a good starting point, and then start to push limits.

Noiw my pleasure comes from knowing that I'm exciting her, and making all of her fantasies come true.

I've said it so many times on here, if you think a Dom is all about his own gratification, you haven't met the right Dom, were servants to the gratification of others, were the slaves

The submissive holds the control a lot can't understand this concept as they think the dom top master daddy etc does

I can't help but chuckle when I hear people say that Dom's have all the power, we only hold the power we are allowed to have, so, we are a bunch of pussy whipped bitches really lol

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over a year ago

so I'm a plastic submissive ? "

I do not know, l presume you are submissive in your own way. There are no true doms and no true subs, people work out their own thing.

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over a year ago

A few years ago I was at a 'gathering' in a flat where I was approached by a guy with a lass in tow n he asked me a few times If I'd like "to piss all over this filthy fucking slut" he was shouting this at her while asking me though n acting pretty agressive to her throughout.

Not for me,I politely declined while trying n failing not to laugh in his face!

Not for me to judge though,consenting adults n all that.

Another lass there was into extreme degredation.....well it seemed pretty extreme to me anyway,having only ever seen that kind of stuff in porn.

She was dragged around roughly with a choke chain,slapped roughly in the face repeatedly,spat on repeatedly and had all the sluts/cunts/filthy slag whores shouted in her face!

It was an eye opener for me for sure,I like to be physically dominant but nothing that extreme.

She really lapped it up though n literally begged for rougher n nastier treatment!

Same again though,not for me,but she loved it!

It's a crazy auld world n plenty worse but still consensual things go on in it.

No point trying to make sense of the reasoning behind it,if it makes them happy then who am I to question it.

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over a year ago

OP, threaded something similar a little while and got quite a lot of abuse, no pun intended. Personaly I think the Dom/Sub have to be careful that their predelictions don't give other parties potentially involved the wrong idea of what is acceptable.

One woman's profile oh fab read that her Dom used to tie her down then go to the pub and bring men over to f**k her until sore then turn her over for anal sex again until sore. A thread read how a Dom used to take his wife in a collar and lead round to a flat full of his friends so they could "do what they wanted with her" and seem pleased that when he picked her up she was covered in cum.

My "problem" with both the above is what message does it send to both groups of men involved, women are just there to be abused sexually?

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over a year ago

"I like feeling dominated. But only in bed and only if I know the guy is totally looking after me.

Strikes me that is a power thing, and feeling powerful is an aphrodisiac. For me, it's a pretty nasty, unsophisticated way to get it. "

It would be a nasty unsophisticated way to get it if done with someone who didn't want and enjoy whatever was being dished out. If however both parties are happy and getting what they want out of it then it's not really nasty at all. Except maybe to the judgemental onlooker...

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over a year ago

I don't understand the need to understand a kink that doesn't interest you. You never will understand it because even the people into it probably don't understand why it turns them on.

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over a year ago

"OP, threaded something similar a little while and got quite a lot of abuse, no pun intended. Personaly I think the Dom/Sub have to be careful that their predelictions don't give other parties potentially involved the wrong idea of what is acceptable.

My "problem" with both the above is what message does it send to both groups of men involved, women are just there to be abused sexually?"

Situations like this is what puts me off being a sub. I've lost an awful lot of trust over the years and I'm not atm in a position to trust another person to that extent. Xxx

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!

It's not something I understand or seek

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By *emplarWarriorMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

How about we just accept that other people may be interested in things others are not?

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over a year ago

"I don't understand the need to understand a kink that doesn't interest you. You never will understand it because even the people into it probably don't understand why it turns them on. "

I don't get any of it to be honest.

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over a year ago

I personally get it, it's a dominance thing for guys and it's a submission thing for the women, both get enjoyment out of it. Not all bukakke involves being tied up and not all being tied up involved turning purple (and for safety for most people playing at home it shouldn't. it can result serious illness and injury if not done and cared for correctly)

But all that aside. I don't enjoy soft tender love making generally, I prefer harder rougher stuff personally, animalistic, breathy, lusty fucking! Sometimes I enjoy a spank, sometimes I enjoy having my throat fucked and sometimes I enjoy being used as my partner feels fit, and he gets off on that too. It isn't abusive it's enjoyment from both our sides, if he did it when I said no or used our safe word then that would be an abuse (and potentially sexual assault of varying degrees) but that is why you communicate and discuss boundaries etc beforehand.

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over a year ago

"How about we just accept that other people may be interested in things others are not?

What? You mean accepting and open minded?? Nah...it'll never catch on

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over a year ago

"How about we just accept that other people may be interested in things others are not?

Agree... but I find it really interesting what turns other people on. Learning about other people's likes may also improve my understanding and future fun.

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over a year ago

"How about we just accept that other people may be interested in things others are not?

Agree... but I find it really interesting what turns other people on. Learning about other people's likes may also improve my understanding and future fun.

I do too ~ being on Fabs has been a right eye opener!

Some kinks I thought originally were never in a million years ones are now hmmmm....never say never

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over a year ago

"How about we just accept that other people may be interested in things others are not?

Agree... but I find it really interesting what turns other people on. Learning about other people's likes may also improve my understanding and future fun.

Yes but if you have to ask the question "how can you find it sexually exciting?" then chances are you aren't gonna want to try them apples.

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over a year ago

"How about we just accept that other people may be interested in things others are not?

Agree... but I find it really interesting what turns other people on. Learning about other people's likes may also improve my understanding and future fun.

I do too ~ being on Fabs has been a right eye opener!

Some kinks I thought originally were never in a million years ones are now hmmmm....never say never

Eye opener...!! No kidding...

Glad it's not just me with an open mind.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Does nowt for me

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over a year ago

"How about we just accept that other people may be interested in things others are not?

Agree... but I find it really interesting what turns other people on. Learning about other people's likes may also improve my understanding and future fun.

Yes but if you have to ask the question "how can you find it sexually exciting?" then chances are you aren't gonna want to try them apples."

I have, a few times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Degrading and submitting are very very different things. Excuse the pun but bdsm is the Grey between black and white and theres many many levels to it.

Mrs loves being spoken too in a dirty about how I'd love to watch her with 2 guys and I can join in making her very full.

Different strokes for different folks, but don't think people have been abused because they are into kink. For people who may have been abused this isnt something they should feel guilty for, no one asks to be abused.

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over a year ago

"How about we just accept that other people may be interested in things others are not?

Agree... but I find it really interesting what turns other people on. Learning about other people's likes may also improve my understanding and future fun.

Yes but if you have to ask the question "how can you find it sexually exciting?" then chances are you aren't gonna want to try them apples.

I have, a few times.

I think there's my point.....there are very few things i think that about. And those that i do think "wtf?" I know for a fact i'm never gonna want to try. Everything else i'm open minded about.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I don't understand the need to understand a kink that doesn't interest you. You never will understand it because even the people into it probably don't understand why it turns them on.

I don't get any of it to be honest.

Apparently you have to be patient and make yourself stand out.

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over a year ago

Bukkake. Know a lady who loves it. For her it is all about the sexual power she holds over men to make them come. Their come being the physical manifestation of their lust for her.

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By *layer oneMan
over a year ago

mirfield

"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? "
not for me it hurts my moobs

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over a year ago

My "problem" with both the above is what message does it send to both groups of men involved, women are just there to be abused sexually?

Situations like this is what puts me off being a sub. I've lost an awful lot of trust over the years and I'm not atm in a position to trust another person to that extent. Xxx"

I'm not a prude and would like to actually try the "situation" from both sides but ultimately I couldn't submit a lady to either of those two scenarios.

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over a year ago

I thought something could only be degrading if the person involved felt a loss of dignity & respect so for example if they were being abused / made to participate in an act against their will.

Willingly participation / submission is a totally different matter.

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By *andsonjohnMan
over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

My "problem" with both the above is what message does it send to both groups of men involved, women are just there to be abused sexually?"

Your describing a owned sex slave its a small demographic of the bdsm scene a subculture of a subculture so to speak .

The bdsm scene is very diverse and complicated lots of different kinks that cater to a while range sexual preferences .

Each to their own is my motto trouble only starts when those of one kink try to play with those of another kink or lie about their true kink and only show the truth when its to late at that point the damage is done .

Normally the damage is done to the sub ruining the subs passion and believe in the scene in the process .

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By *lowercandyWoman
over a year ago

Lancashire

submissive and enjoy bdsm sub space is amazing place to be in aftercare is imperative. But it's not ABUSE x"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i dont take part in what are to me extremes but to others the things you mention are mild - i totally understand that people are aroused by different things and that fascinates me and is what i love about this lifestyle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont understand either

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over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. "
If it's bdsm then it's consensual. It's negotiated.

There is an element of freedom in submission. A freedom from choices and worry and guilt.

Humiliation is like therapy. You go to a councillor and tell them all the bad thoughts and then at the end of the session you get up and feel better. Humiliation is the same. You get pushed and ground down to as low a place as you can go in a safe environment. Then the scene is over and you are surrounded by love and hugs and kisses. You see what it's like to be dirt, and then you are raised back up. real life is better by comparison. The submissive also gets lots of attention and that's appealing to some too.

I guess it's a roller coaster for emotions, feelings and perceptions

From the other side, the dominant gets control. We get therapy too. get to be mean in a safe way and perhaps exorcise demons of our own. It's a form of meditation for me. You use all the tools you have (sensation, pain, humiliation, sexuality) to move a person's perception from one place to another.

And after you get the deepening bond with your partner. It's beautiful

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By *pal2Man
over a year ago

cumbria

Its role play between consenting adults. Nothing wrong with that, some even like physical pain, not for me but whatever turns you on as long as its legal and between consention adullts.

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over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. If it's bdsm then it's consensual. It's negotiated.

There is an element of freedom in submission. A freedom from choices and worry and guilt.

I guess it's a roller coaster for emotions, feelings and perceptions

And after you get the deepening bond with your partner. It's beautiful"

That really makes sense, thank you. Best explanation I've read.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Fucked up, nasty & unsophisticated" ~ interesting choice of words when we all have sexual preferences that may also be _iewed that way."

Completely agree.. it's fair enough to talk about others preferences to aid in your own learning but not to judge with such word choice.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

There are lots of things I don't understand. I do understand consent though so provided there's consent between two adults then it's not for me to judge. If people enjoy something and it's not up my street then I don't do it.

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over a year ago

"There are lots of things I don't understand. I do understand consent though so provided there's consent between two adults then it's not for me to judge. If people enjoy something and it's not up my street then I don't do it.

Same goes for sexual orientation. If a dude likes to suck cock what difference does it make to me. I don't understand why he wants to do that but that doesn't make him any different to me. It also doesn't mean he wants to do it to me and even if he does, it doesn't mean I have to say yes.

Random and irrelevant but I felt like sharing that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't see any of this as degrading. I enjoy it and I don't feel degraded.

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over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up.

I haven't been abused. But a woman absolutely destroyed me once. It felt good

And this is why I enjoy it.

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over a year ago

Random and irrelevant but I felt like sharing that. "

Well said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nowt as queer as folk.

Three years ago l became interested in rope. A few months later l accidentally saw my first 'dark rope play', I hated it l left the seminar part way through. I thought to myself - l had learnt rope to be sensual not to cause pain. Kink is this higher plane unsullied by sexual desire or abuse.

In my early days l was like Icarus soaring above the cliches of leather clad whip abusers, men in black bruising hapless women who foolishly fell into their grasp.

Connection is a funny thing, you can have all the principles you want but when women looks you straight in the eyes and says' do it again, but harder'. Your wings melt and you fall. You can connect in so many ways by doing so many things. For me it is not my reaction but my playmate's reaction. I am in control but l follow that pleasurable reaction and sometimes it leads you to some places where vanilla society would draw line because it is a dark place, but if you are two kindred dark souls you are connected.

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"Nowt as queer as folk.

In my early days l was like Icarus soaring above the cliches of leather clad whip abusers, men in black bruising hapless women who foolishly fell into their grasp.

Can you elaborate please, I've never heard of dark rope play.

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By *lowercandyWoman
over a year ago

Lancashire

"Its role play between consenting adults. Nothing wrong with that, some even like physical pain, not for me but whatever turns you on as long as its legal and between consention adullts."

You can't blanket it by saying it is role play

For many it is a complete lifestyle

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over a year ago

"Nowt as queer as folk.

In my early days l was like Icarus soaring above the cliches of leather clad whip abusers, men in black bruising hapless women who foolishly fell into their grasp.

Can you elaborate please, I've never heard of dark rope play. "

Dark rope play is my description for the non sensual painful or psychological play with rope where the model is deliberately and with consent made to feel vulnerable. At its simplest it is tying the model so that the rope is on the pressure points so when the rigger squeezes the rope or applies tension pain is induced, but the model is never sure when. Another method is incorporating breath play with rope but in a controlled manner. A common method of including vulnerability is where the model will be tied in a safe way but such that it seems unsafe in the mind. An example would be tied with either a chest harness or TK into a suspension point, one leg on the ground and one leg is tied up off the ground and the model is blindfolded, some incorporate a hair tie but the model feels vulnerable you can then incorporate other types of sensation play.

I would add the partial suspension scenes are those I have seen as I am presently not qualified to carry out a partial or full suspension yet. To me dark rope does not necessarily involve pain (although for some it does) for me it is more the apprehension and getting the adrenaline going like a good horror movie rather than a slasher movie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane.

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over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up.

It is only after gaining this vital information that I can find a good starting point, and then start to push limits.

Noiw my pleasure comes from knowing that I'm exciting her, and making all of her fantasies come true.

I've said it so many times on here, if you think a Dom is all about his own gratification, you haven't met the right Dom, were servants to the gratification of others, were the slaves"

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over a year ago

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

There is an element of freedom in submission. A freedom from choices and worry and guilt.

I guess it's a roller coaster for emotions, feelings and perceptions

And after you get the deepening bond with your partner. It's beautiful

That really makes sense, thank you. Best explanation I've read.

seconded

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over a year ago

I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane."

It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE.

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By *edRapscallionMan
over a year ago

London

I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane.

It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. "

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over a year ago

I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane.

It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. "

That is my opinion. Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Being consensual has nothing to do with being degrading. Leaving a womans breasts bound til they turn purple is not really safe or sane. To each their own though. Enjoy your night as i am not here to argue with you.

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over a year ago

I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane.

It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE.

Exactly anyone whom is going to even give bondage let alone breast bondage will be aware of the dangers, (ligament damage, nerve damage,to name a few even DEATH) if your that interested in the art of Shibari or suspension breath play etc you educate yourself !!!! FFS read up on BDSM,, it's not something that's learnt in a day you go the shop buy some rope and wrap breasts etc,, NO!!!

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over a year ago

London

I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane.

It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE.

Consensual play and degradation go hand in hand. What you consider to not be safe or sane does not automatically make it so for the rest of the world. These things can and have been done safely and sanely on a regular basis by those who know what they're doing, to those who know what they want. People have different fetishes. People have different limits. People have different likes and dislikes.

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over a year ago

I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane.

It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE.

I have no interest in either or learning about it. Once again i was just stating my opinion, which I am allowed, right. I still find it degrading and your statements and point of _iew or anyone elses will not change it. Although I respect your opinion I dont agree with it.

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over a year ago

I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane.

It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE.

Errr I've just said that!! It's not a case of getting rope and turning the breasts purple, as with any rope work you need to know what your doing, how to un knot if something goes wrong, have a cutter or blade ready to cut incase etc,

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over a year ago

I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane.

It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE.

If your doing advance knot work you need to know how to untie from backwards forwards, you need to be in control. I am talking about serious rope work here and not just slip knots

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over a year ago

I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane.

It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE.

Hey that's cool ,

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By *edRapscallionMan
over a year ago

London

I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane.

It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE.

Others have also said the same. I'm simply adding my own opinon to this discussion.

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over a year ago

I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane.

It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE.

Others have also said the same. I'm simply adding my own opinon to this discussion."

That's cool opinions are good. But doing rope work or breath play it's really not about opinions fortunately, it's about knowledge and understanding

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By *igwilly2kMan
over a year ago

The Land of Kink!

On the occasion I sub, use, abuse and humiliation has to be a part of it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On the occasion I sub, use, abuse and humiliation has to be a part of it!

Your talking bollocks now mate ,

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over a year ago

I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane.

It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE.

Respect works both ways.... or it should do.

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over a year ago

I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane.

It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE.

If a person has no interest in either or learning about a subject then although that person is entitled to their opinion rational and sensible people will ignore it as the opinion is not based on knowledge or interest in the subject. A person who gives an opinion on something they do not know about and have no interest in should expect robust challenge to their opinion.

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over a year ago

I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane.

It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE.

He is perfectly entitled to his opinion. People have misunderstood what he said.

I have no desires around degrading women either. Is it just men that get slated for having opinions on here?

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over a year ago

I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane.

It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE.

Why do you assume that? Do you not think some people will just have a go without researching and know nothing? I've tied people up,I've never researched. I've had my tits bound once by someone who fancied doing it. It didn't do anything for me and I didn't leave it on long,because I'm fairly intelligent and know things can go wrong. Someone else might enjoy it and leave it on. People do all kinds of things without research or joining the correct club.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some women just like too be a slut for an hour or two

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Er indoors likes abusing younger girls..if they like it (and loads do) then go with the flow..

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over a year ago

I can understand that a woman might want to be surrounded by a group of guys all wanting to enjoy her body.

Personally, I have no interest in being one of a load of guys wanking their limp cocks waiting for their turn - when I've watched bukkake videos it all seems a bit pathetic to me.

Of course, if I was a lone male surrounded by a group of females masturbating and wanting the pleasure of my touch and their juices all over my body that would be a very different matter! I wouldn't mind being tied up and abused in that way at all, haha!

#DoubleStandards

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm afraid I'm the female perspective that loves it. Although not bukkake, but degradation, humiliation, control relinquishment, anything along those lines x"

The key word that appeals to me if I was to try all this stuff is 'control'.

I'd love to have a girl to control, and one that would let me do 'anything with/to her. All with trust and respect. I couldn't hurt a woman though, even if asked to.

I can understand it from a woman's point of _iew who likes it, I'd like a woman to abuse me.

even I feel a little odd, but someone on here promotes 'it's only kinky the first time!' Haha.

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By *BWcpl49Couple
over a year ago

Reading

Wouldn't mind a Bukkake but binding tits oooo nooooo I'm a big wimp don't do anything that makes me cry or bruises me lol

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Have you never sat on someones face and though, I like the ride here? Even if they were enjoying it? Or talked dirty to them, insulted, told them to do it harder or whatever. It's a bit like that. You get wet, you get turned on, you cum harder, maybe faster, it has a different angle for the moment, you enjoy it, you try new things and try something else as a result in the future. Otherwise, everything would be missionary.

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"Nowt as queer as folk.

In my early days l was like Icarus soaring above the cliches of leather clad whip abusers, men in black bruising hapless women who foolishly fell into their grasp.

Can you elaborate please, I've never heard of dark rope play.

Ah!predicament bondage at its best

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By *oredbusinessmanMan
over a year ago

Kings Lynn

"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it.

If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up.

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By *entleman JayMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

Not for everyone. Not for me. Xx.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its mostly smoke and mirrors any way, a construct of visual, emotional and physical stimuli, that tricks the mind into believing that what is happening is real, its kind of like wrestling, if that makes any sense

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over a year ago

"Its mostly smoke and mirrors any way, a construct of visual, emotional and physical stimuli, that tricks the mind into believing that what is happening is real, its kind of like wrestling, if that makes any sense"

I like that.

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