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By *odareyou OP   Man
over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)

A man from huddersfield has died following an attack by a dog ... It had been released by the police back to its owner last week following concerns by people that it was dangerous.. it was assessed as not being on the dangerous breeds list..

Truly a tragic event for the guys family, however legislation that should have protected him and other members of the public failed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All dogs are dangerous.

I can't believe any old idiot can buy one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A man from huddersfield has died following an attack by a dog ... It had been released by the police back to its owner last week following concerns by people that it was dangerous.. it was assessed as not being on the dangerous breeds list..

Truly a tragic event for the guys family, however legislation that should have protected him and other members of the public failed. "

There are very few dangerous dogs. There are far more dangerous dog owners. Training is paramount, whether you own a poodle or a staffie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners."

This

Some people should quite simply not be allowed to have a dog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners."

I still think you should be required to apply for a licence to own a dog and all dogs should be chipped

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Very sad. The poor man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

I still think you should be required to apply for a licence to own a dog and all dogs should be chipped "

In Ireland we need a dog licence and for our dogs to be micro chipped

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes,usually the owners are to blame. A personal event involving non dangerous dogs left me in a dreadful situation.

The police were not interested in prosecuting the owners because the owners had the dogs put down. It was only the dog warden who helped.

Guess what?. They just went out and got more dogs' had they been prosecuted then they would have been banned from keeping them.

My sincere sympathy for the family of the poor guy who died.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

I still think you should be required to apply for a licence to own a dog and all dogs should be chipped

In Ireland we need a dog licence and for our dogs to be micro chipped"

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By *uperock99Man
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

I hate going for a walk at a park, and then see some dog off the lead, the dog spots you and comes charging towards you, the owner calls it but doesn't listen and at that point I don't know what the dogs intention is whether it is in attack mode or friendly mode, I don't trust dogs that I do not know especially the ones that don't listen to their owners

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By *litheroevoyeurMan
over a year ago

Clitheroe


"I hate going for a walk at a park, and then see some dog off the lead, the dog spots you and comes charging towards you, the owner calls it but doesn't listen and at that point I don't know what the dogs intention is whether it is in attack mode or friendly mode, I don't trust dogs that I do not know especially the ones that don't listen to their owners"

I usually have a walking pole with me out of habit and I wouldn't hesitate to use it in self defence if a dog came charging up to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work in the trades and im in people's houses all the time! Been bitten by dogs a few times and they have all been Jack Russell's!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners."

Completely agree, a Labrador managed to knock two of my children over when they were small, one of them is still hugely afraid of dogs nearly 10 years on, but the owner couldn't have cared less about what her unleashed dog was doing in a public park

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never agreed with the Dangerous Dogs Legislation. It was a knee-jerk reaction to a series of dog attacks & those dogs were the ones shortlisted for the legislation.

There can be rogue dogs, but these can be any breed. Why an innocent dog should be euthanized because of its' looks is beyond me. It is more to do with the handling than anything else.

Also, there needs to be some sense in the tests undertaken on "dangerous dogs" as currently they are heavily weighted against the accused dog. There is currently an issue with conflicting opinions going through the courts, where the police "expert" alpha rolls the dog. What do you know, it growls and tries to bite. Most dogs I know would also do that if they were threatened to that extent. The expert then tries to pick the dog up. It growls & is not happy. Would any dog be, given the initial experience? On the flip side, the dog is reassessed by a dog behaviour expert (Dr Roger Mugford) & the same dog, branded as vicious by the police, was giving paws, licking, sitting, walking easily on the lead & showed no signs of aggression

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By *BWcpl49Couple
over a year ago

Reading


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners."

Yu took the words out of my mouth Don't blame the breed blame what's at the other end of the lead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one under the age of 21 should be allowed to own a dog.

Before you are allowed to own a dog your house should be inspected for suitability.

Anyone wishing to own a dog should be inter_iewed.

You should require a licence and anytime your dog misbehaves you get points on that licence that could lead to confiscation.

All dogs should be muzzled when out in public.

All dogs should have DNA samples taken from them and if your dog shits anywhere and you don't clean up after it you get a warning, second offence and you forfeit the right to own a dog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The legislation doesn't work though.

4 banned dogs...

Put bulls

Fila brazilianos

Japanese tosa

And the dogo.

I happen to own a pit bull. He's slept at the foot of my sons bed every night since I brought him home and they're like best friends. The dogs aren't dangerous, their desire to please is what makes them dangerous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a 5 month old rottweiler and a 3 year old son. My dog has changed peoples opinions on rotties she is soft as anything. Its definetly not the dog its the owners the dog most likely to bite (according to an article i read online) is a retriever! Rottweilers didnt even feature.

That being said im a considerate owner i keep her on the lead to meet other dogs and people even if we are out running about and playing in an open space i cwll her back and put her on her lead and should anyone come to the house even just to deliver the food shopping i shut her in the kitchen. She also has one on one training from a professional.

If your going to get a dog research the breed and get the required training its not rocket science

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a 5 month old rottweiler and a 3 year old son. My dog has changed peoples opinions on rotties she is soft as anything. Its definetly not the dog its the owners the dog most likely to bite (according to an article i read online) is a retriever! Rottweilers didnt even feature.

That being said im a considerate owner i keep her on the lead to meet other dogs and people even if we are out running about and playing in an open space i cwll her back and put her on her lead and should anyone come to the house even just to deliver the food shopping i shut her in the kitchen. She also has one on one training from a professional.

If your going to get a dog research the breed and get the required training its not rocket science "

I must admit I don't walk mine on a lead or a muzzle. But I can make him sit and walk off for 200 yards, he won't budge until I call him. He walks along side me at my pace and sits if I stop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a 5 month old rottweiler and a 3 year old son. My dog has changed peoples opinions on rotties she is soft as anything. Its definetly not the dog its the owners the dog most likely to bite (according to an article i read online) is a retriever! Rottweilers didnt even feature.

That being said im a considerate owner i keep her on the lead to meet other dogs and people even if we are out running about and playing in an open space i cwll her back and put her on her lead and should anyone come to the house even just to deliver the food shopping i shut her in the kitchen. She also has one on one training from a professional.

If your going to get a dog research the breed and get the required training its not rocket science "

Every Rottweiler I've known has been incredibly soft and excellent with children

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one under the age of 21 should be allowed to own a dog.

Before you are allowed to own a dog your house should be inspected for suitability.

Anyone wishing to own a dog should be inter_iewed.

You should require a licence and anytime your dog misbehaves you get points on that licence that could lead to confiscation.

All dogs should be muzzled when out in public.

All dogs should have DNA samples taken from them and if your dog shits anywhere and you don't clean up after it you get a warning, second offence and you forfeit the right to own a dog. "

Of couse you realise that if we implemented a single one of those suggestions then the threshold for raising a dog would be higher than raising a child. Just saying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one under the age of 21 should be allowed to own a dog.

Before you are allowed to own a dog your house should be inspected for suitability.

Anyone wishing to own a dog should be inter_iewed.

You should require a licence and anytime your dog misbehaves you get points on that licence that could lead to confiscation.

All dogs should be muzzled when out in public.

All dogs should have DNA samples taken from them and if your dog shits anywhere and you don't clean up after it you get a warning, second offence and you forfeit the right to own a dog.

Of couse you realise that if we implemented a single one of those suggestions then the threshold for raising a dog would be higher than raising a child. Just saying. "

You haven't heard my requirements for having children yet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one under the age of 21 should be allowed to own a dog.

Before you are allowed to own a dog your house should be inspected for suitability.

Anyone wishing to own a dog should be inter_iewed.

You should require a licence and anytime your dog misbehaves you get points on that licence that could lead to confiscation.

All dogs should be muzzled when out in public.

All dogs should have DNA samples taken from them and if your dog shits anywhere and you don't clean up after it you get a warning, second offence and you forfeit the right to own a dog. "

Are we to gather you're not keen on dogs then?

In fairness anyone who has rehomed a dog will have been vetted prior to the new dog being homed with them. Again though, this will only affect those who play by the rules.

What it won't cover are the dickheads like those not far from me, who bred their dog for the sole purpose of getting a new car. Do you think they would be worried who they sold the pups to?

There's no need for a dog licence, they're already microchipped. Well, those owners who obeyed the law have microchipped their dogs. Any misdemeanours could be added to the database. Having a requirement for a licence will have no effect on a large proportion of irresponsible dog owners.

DNA results on dog shit aren't as accurate as you might hope - so not a lot of point doing that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one under the age of 21 should be allowed to own a dog.

Before you are allowed to own a dog your house should be inspected for suitability.

Anyone wishing to own a dog should be inter_iewed.

You should require a licence and anytime your dog misbehaves you get points on that licence that could lead to confiscation.

All dogs should be muzzled when out in public.

All dogs should have DNA samples taken from them and if your dog shits anywhere and you don't clean up after it you get a warning, second offence and you forfeit the right to own a dog.

Of couse you realise that if we implemented a single one of those suggestions then the threshold for raising a dog would be higher than raising a child. Just saying.

You haven't heard my requirements for having children yet.

"

Ha ha. Well we already have higher standards for transporting cattle than we do humans on trains so why not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most people are surprised to learn that the dachshund is the most aggressive breed of dog.

Hardly surprising when they were bred to fight badgers/rabbits underground.

We have a 2 year old dachshund and they are unbelievably cute and loving but when You look at them properly they are build perfectly for fighting underground.

As has been said, dangerous owners not dogs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I admit that I dont like dogs tbh

I would ban all dogs "capable of overpowering a healthy adult" .good owners or not... a list defined in law by "experts"

Clearly a difficult thing to define in law (if not impossible) but I would have a damn good go...

I may even go the other way and ban all dogs unless they are on a white list...

Not popular Im sure and, of course, will never happen... those dog owners vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one under the age of 21 should be allowed to own a dog.

Before you are allowed to own a dog your house should be inspected for suitability.

Anyone wishing to own a dog should be inter_iewed.

You should require a licence and anytime your dog misbehaves you get points on that licence that could lead to confiscation.

All dogs should be muzzled when out in public.

All dogs should have DNA samples taken from them and if your dog shits anywhere and you don't clean up after it you get a warning, second offence and you forfeit the right to own a dog.

Are we to gather you're not keen on dogs then?

In fairness anyone who has rehomed a dog will have been vetted prior to the new dog being homed with them. Again though, this will only affect those who play by the rules.

What it won't cover are the dickheads like those not far from me, who bred their dog for the sole purpose of getting a new car. Do you think they would be worried who they sold the pups to?

There's no need for a dog licence, they're already microchipped. Well, those owners who obeyed the law have microchipped their dogs. Any misdemeanours could be added to the database. Having a requirement for a licence will have no effect on a large proportion of irresponsible dog owners.

DNA results on dog shit aren't as accurate as you might hope - so not a lot of point doing that"

I love dogs, I have had four over the years. It's the owners I'm not so keen on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Most people are surprised to learn that the dachshund is the most aggressive breed of dog.

Hardly surprising when they were bred to fight badgers/rabbits underground.

We have a 2 year old dachshund and they are unbelievably cute and loving but when You look at them properly they are build perfectly for fighting underground.

As has been said, dangerous owners not dogs. "

That's 'sausage dogs' to you and I folks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

I still think you should be required to apply for a licence to own a dog and all dogs should be chipped "

It is now law for all dogs to be chipped, came in a couple of months ago. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a 5 month old rottweiler and a 3 year old son. My dog has changed peoples opinions on rotties she is soft as anything. Its definetly not the dog its the owners the dog most likely to bite (according to an article i read online) is a retriever! Rottweilers didnt even feature.

That being said im a considerate owner i keep her on the lead to meet other dogs and people even if we are out running about and playing in an open space i cwll her back and put her on her lead and should anyone come to the house even just to deliver the food shopping i shut her in the kitchen. She also has one on one training from a professional.

If your going to get a dog research the breed and get the required training its not rocket science

Every Rottweiler I've known has been incredibly soft and excellent with children"

There's one here, I own and live with a Rottweiler and have only been bite by a small Jack Russell at work lol.

Does that make the breed of jack Russell a dangerous breed...nope!

Jason

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As an owner id be fully in favour of introducing dog licenses

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By *ootballFlowerCouple
over a year ago

Ollerton

We have two dogs including 1 rescue. Both are microchipped as required by law now. Both are very loving dogs who want nothing more than to be stroked and played with. They are great with all ages and dont mind some rough and tumble play.

We would NEVER leave our dogs alone with children, we dont let them off the lead if we can children playing in the same field as us. We have no fear of them biting anyone but we wouldnt risk it - the worst they would do is jump up at you for fuss but that could be enough to injure someone so it is a risk we wont take.

ANY dog can be dangerous - especially with the wrong owner. No matter how confident you are of a dog they can never be trusted 100%

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales


"I hate going for a walk at a park, and then see some dog off the lead, the dog spots you and comes charging towards you, the owner calls it but doesn't listen and at that point I don't know what the dogs intention is whether it is in attack mode or friendly mode, I don't trust dogs that I do not know especially the ones that don't listen to their owners"

Because of this I have to put a muzzle on our dog when in public & then everyone gives us a dirty look like he's some vicious brute all because some dickhead wasn't in control of his Russell who then decided it was a good idea to attack a 9st Akita..Not a good idea - I just don't want to be in that position again..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a 5 month old rottweiler and a 3 year old son. My dog has changed peoples opinions on rotties she is soft as anything. Its definetly not the dog its the owners the dog most likely to bite (according to an article i read online) is a retriever! Rottweilers didnt even feature.

That being said im a considerate owner i keep her on the lead to meet other dogs and people even if we are out running about and playing in an open space i cwll her back and put her on her lead and should anyone come to the house even just to deliver the food shopping i shut her in the kitchen. She also has one on one training from a professional.

If your going to get a dog research the breed and get the required training its not rocket science

I must admit I don't walk mine on a lead or a muzzle. But I can make him sit and walk off for 200 yards, he won't budge until I call him. He walks along side me at my pace and sits if I stop. "

Thats our goal for our pup but she isnt ready for that yet as she is still an exciteable pup

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By *odareyou OP   Man
over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)

I've said it for ages dangerous dogs aren't breed specific, it's dog specific..

given good ownership it's a very very rare occurance..

Apparently he was trying to protect his own dog from being attacked by the other dog

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

ANY dog can be dangerous - especially with the wrong owner. No matter how confident you are of a dog they can never be trusted 100%"

You could say the same about humans really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Breed specific legislation does not work, as this very clearly shows. The dog did not fit the guidelines for BSL so was released home, into the hands of a clearly irresponsible owner yet completely harmless dogs who do are destroyed because of their measurements.

Yet another irresponsible owner responsible for a tragedy, the problem is at one end of the lead and its the end with the dog on!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a 5 month old rottweiler and a 3 year old son. My dog has changed peoples opinions on rotties she is soft as anything. Its definetly not the dog its the owners the dog most likely to bite (according to an article i read online) is a retriever! Rottweilers didnt even feature.

That being said im a considerate owner i keep her on the lead to meet other dogs and people even if we are out running about and playing in an open space i cwll her back and put her on her lead and should anyone come to the house even just to deliver the food shopping i shut her in the kitchen. She also has one on one training from a professional.

If your going to get a dog research the breed and get the required training its not rocket science

Every Rottweiler I've known has been incredibly soft and excellent with children

There's one here, I own and live with a Rottweiler and have only been bite by a small Jack Russell at work lol.

Does that make the breed of jack Russell a dangerous breed...nope!

Jason "

For me the point is I could fight off a Jack Russell if I had to...some of these other breeds you couldnt and could kill.you...

Although even a dog bite from a small dog can land you in hospital for days as my ex found out after being bitten...massive amount of germs in a dogs mouth....and people let them lick faces.....eek

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners."

Totally agree.

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By *odareyou OP   Man
over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)


"As an owner id be fully in favour of introducing dog licenses

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Like all pieces of legislation the responsible will comply and the irresponsible will ignore ..

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Breed specific legislation does not work, as this very clearly shows. The dog did not fit the guidelines for BSL so was released home, into the hands of a clearly irresponsible owner yet completely harmless dogs who do are destroyed because of their measurements.

Yet another irresponsible owner responsible for a tragedy, the problem is at one end of the lead and its the end with the dog on!! "

Do'h, that should have said 'not the end with the dog on!'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any dog no matter what breed has the ability to be a dangerous dog!, as per Testarossa's comment it's the person holding the lead which causes a dog to turn.

I have a few dogs and have bred and shown dogs all

my life, there is no way to stop idiots buying dogs that's now why there are so many puppy farms around the uk.

As much as I love them I agree every person that owns a dog should be made to have a licence, the rspca should be more proactive also and be able to do spot checks....the licence number should be somehow attached to the microchip and when scanned if the dog does not have this then it's taken away from the owner.

I think this would then reduce the number of so called idiots that have said dangerous dogs and also burn out puppy farmers.

Making the micro chip even smarter they could have it linked to issues the dog may also have such as epilepsy, hip displacia, or heart conditions that way of it comes on the microchip the dog should not be used to breed from.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"A man from huddersfield has died following an attack by a dog ... It had been released by the police back to its owner last week following concerns by people that it was dangerous.. it was assessed as not being on the dangerous breeds list..

Truly a tragic event for the guys family, however legislation that should have protected him and other members of the public failed.

There are very few dangerous dogs. There are far more dangerous dog owners. Training is paramount, whether you own a poodle or a staffie."

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

I still think you should be required to apply for a licence to own a dog and all dogs should be chipped

It is now law for all dogs to be chipped, came in a couple of months ago. X"

Yes but there is no law for anyone to scan a dog. Vets, Police, dog wardens, councils etc. none of them are required to scan a pet and they tend not to.

Pointless legislation, much like the dangerous dogs act itself.

It's the horrible people who use dogs for violence who need to be legislated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A man from huddersfield has died following an attack by a dog ... It had been released by the police back to its owner last week following concerns by people that it was dangerous.. it was assessed as not being on the dangerous breeds list..

Truly a tragic event for the guys family, however legislation that should have protected him and other members of the public failed. "

Sadly the dog will be put to sleep but its owner won't be...

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By *ewels74Woman
over a year ago

Dundee/Angus/Blackpool


"Any dog no matter what breed has the ability to be a dangerous dog!, as per Testarossa's comment it's the person holding the lead which causes a dog to turn.

I have a few dogs and have bred and shown dogs all

my life, there is no way to stop idiots buying dogs that's now why there are so many puppy farms around the uk.

As much as I love them I agree every person that owns a dog should be made to have a licence, the rspca should be more proactive also and be able to do spot checks....the licence number should be somehow attached to the microchip and when scanned if the dog does not have this then it's taken away from the owner.

I think this would then reduce the number of so called idiots that have said dangerous dogs and also burn out puppy farmers.

Making the micro chip even smarter they could have it linked to issues the dog may also have such as epilepsy, hip displacia, or heart conditions that way of it comes on the microchip the dog should not be used to breed from.

"

I shoW and breed cocker spaniels and german shepherds(the gsd not so much now) and in all honesty it is the German Shepherd community who actually are way forward and up there in getting the breed tested in everything including temperament checks and many people are highly critical still,but yes when having pups I alway get them microchipped before they go to a new owner.

It is the owner who is responsible,and in all honesty there is always a type of person who seems to go for the staffies and they are used in various ways.

I'm on 3 committees and tend to see a lot of things at the shows

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a 5 month old rottweiler and a 3 year old son. My dog has changed peoples opinions on rotties she is soft as anything. Its definetly not the dog its the owners the dog most likely to bite (according to an article i read online) is a retriever! Rottweilers didnt even feature.

That being said im a considerate owner i keep her on the lead to meet other dogs and people even if we are out running about and playing in an open space i cwll her back and put her on her lead and should anyone come to the house even just to deliver the food shopping i shut her in the kitchen. She also has one on one training from a professional.

If your going to get a dog research the breed and get the required training its not rocket science

I must admit I don't walk mine on a lead or a muzzle. But I can make him sit and walk off for 200 yards, he won't budge until I call him. He walks along side me at my pace and sits if I stop.

Thats our goal for our pup but she isnt ready for that yet as she is still an exciteable pup "

It took ages, and loads of patience but we got there in the end. My son was able to do it straight away, but like I said they're like best friends

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over a year ago


"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained. "

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Breed Specific Legislation

This is exactly what it sounds like, it is a regulation that determines your right to own or not own a dog based purely on the breed or 'type' of dog and in no way reflects your competence as an owner or the temperament of the dog. There are some glaringly obvious problems with this as follows...

It completely fails to address the cause of dog related incidents which is almost always due to irresponsible ownership by way of neglect, no socialisation, no training, poor standard of care or the deliberate encouragement of aggressive behaviour.

All of the above causes can and often are associated with many other breeds not just 'type' dogs. It is a fact that ANY breed of dog can become unpredictable even to the point of being dangerous if not cared for and trained properly. I myself have encountered dogs that are considered dangerous by the authorities who police this legislation and have found them to be even tempered, well trained and valued family pets. I have also worked with 'safe' breeds such as Labradors, Poodles, Flat coat retrievers amongst others that have exhibited aggressive behaviour and warranted careful handling. So...given the fact that the breed of dog in no way serves as an accurate indicator of its temperament and furthermore there are dogs that are considered 'safe' that are infact potentially dangerous but being overlooked because they dont fit the profile, how can this legislation possibly be effective ??? The time dedicated to policing specific breeds that include countless dogs that have no bite record and are owned by responsible owners could better be spent tackling the true problem which has been proved time after time to be the owner of the dog and the environment it has been subjected to.

If the breeds included in this legislation are eventually made 'to risky' to own, the irresponsible owners will simply change their target or preferred breed. This has already begun with many less than ideal dog owners favouring Mastiffs aswell as other large breeds.

The people who enforce this legislation are very often doing so based simply on the 'look' of a dog, measurements taken can seal the fate of a dog regardless of its actual breed and behaviour. These people are all to often far from qualified to assess any dog and there have been instances where measurements have been incorrectly taken which further reduces the effectiveness of this legislation.

There are several more problems which make BSL a non-workable and ill conceived law but I will finish on this...By burying their heads in the sand and ignoring evidence from parts of the world where BSL has been shown not to work, by taking the easy option rather than dealing with the true cause of dog incidents which is the irresponsible ownership of those dogs involved across the full spectrum of breeds, by sticking rigidly to an ineffective law which is the result of a knee jerk reaction to a much more difficult problem to tackle, the government / local authorities are putting members of the public at risk and destroying perfectly safe and much loved family pets and companions.

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over a year ago

Any dog can snap the same way humans can.....all these people who say "my dog won't touch you" while the thing is jumping up on you.....when the dog tells me it won't touch me then I'll be convinced x

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over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners."

This

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

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"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

This "

This. Had staffies or some forms of bulldog all my life. They've grown up with my kids and I know would protect them with there lives. Some I've had from pups and more recently rescue 1s I'd never have any other type

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners."

Rubbish.

In any kind of animal you can get ones that aren't quite right/are agressive. Sometimes it's down to nurture (ie how they are handled/treated), sometimes they appear to just have been born that way.

I've seen it in dogs, cattle, pigs and even the odd sheep. I had a mate who's sister had a rabbit that was totally batshit.

However, most aren't and you can't live your life in fear of the odd bad one. I've worked with animals all my life and for the most part they are a lot less dangerous than people.

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over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

Rubbish.

In any kind of animal you can get ones that aren't quite right/are agressive. Sometimes it's down to nurture (ie how they are handled/treated), sometimes they appear to just have been born that way.

I've seen it in dogs, cattle, pigs and even the odd sheep. I had a mate who's sister had a rabbit that was totally batshit.

However, most aren't and you can't live your life in fear of the odd bad one. I've worked with animals all my life and for the most part they are a lot less dangerous than people. "

Animals that show aggression for no obvious reasons tend to have health issues. Visible or not.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

Rubbish.

In any kind of animal you can get ones that aren't quite right/are agressive. Sometimes it's down to nurture (ie how they are handled/treated), sometimes they appear to just have been born that way.

I've seen it in dogs, cattle, pigs and even the odd sheep. I had a mate who's sister had a rabbit that was totally batshit.

However, most aren't and you can't live your life in fear of the odd bad one. I've worked with animals all my life and for the most part they are a lot less dangerous than people.

Animals that show aggression for no obvious reasons tend to have health issues. Visible or not. "

Not at all. It can be all kind of things. Sometimes it's the presence of testicles, sometimes it's the presence of it's young. Some are just nuts.

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over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

Rubbish.

In any kind of animal you can get ones that aren't quite right/are agressive. Sometimes it's down to nurture (ie how they are handled/treated), sometimes they appear to just have been born that way.

I've seen it in dogs, cattle, pigs and even the odd sheep. I had a mate who's sister had a rabbit that was totally batshit.

However, most aren't and you can't live your life in fear of the odd bad one. I've worked with animals all my life and for the most part they are a lot less dangerous than people.

Animals that show aggression for no obvious reasons tend to have health issues. Visible or not.

Not at all. It can be all kind of things. Sometimes it's the presence of testicles, sometimes it's the presence of it's young. Some are just nuts. "

Only encountered 3 animals showing bad aggression for no obvious reason. Rabbit it turned out was inbred. Snake with a brain tumour. Dog who was epileptic, but silent fits, so just went stiff and trembled rather than fitting. As much of my time as possible is with animals. I agree that there will be some with no health issues who are well cared for from day 1. But the vast majority of dogs that are dangerous are in the wrong hands.

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over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

Rubbish.

In any kind of animal you can get ones that aren't quite right/are agressive. Sometimes it's down to nurture (ie how they are handled/treated), sometimes they appear to just have been born that way.

I've seen it in dogs, cattle, pigs and even the odd sheep. I had a mate who's sister had a rabbit that was totally batshit.

However, most aren't and you can't live your life in fear of the odd bad one. I've worked with animals all my life and for the most part they are a lot less dangerous than people.

Animals that show aggression for no obvious reasons tend to have health issues. Visible or not.

Not at all. It can be all kind of things. Sometimes it's the presence of testicles, sometimes it's the presence of it's young. Some are just nuts. "

Yeah- I forgot that you know Everything about all animals just cos you worked with them!

Well so have I and dogs are not born aggressive. It's learned behaviour.

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over a year ago

It has been repeated shown that a dog, being a pack animal, mimics the pack it is raised in. Take two pups from the same litter, put one with an OAP couple and one with a family with young children and after a short period of time the OAP dog will be quiet and shuffle about while the family dog will run around and be energetic.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

Rubbish.

In any kind of animal you can get ones that aren't quite right/are agressive. Sometimes it's down to nurture (ie how they are handled/treated), sometimes they appear to just have been born that way.

I've seen it in dogs, cattle, pigs and even the odd sheep. I had a mate who's sister had a rabbit that was totally batshit.

However, most aren't and you can't live your life in fear of the odd bad one. I've worked with animals all my life and for the most part they are a lot less dangerous than people.

Animals that show aggression for no obvious reasons tend to have health issues. Visible or not.

Not at all. It can be all kind of things. Sometimes it's the presence of testicles, sometimes it's the presence of it's young. Some are just nuts.

Yeah- I forgot that you know Everything about all animals just cos you worked with them!

Well so have I and dogs are not born aggressive. It's learned behaviour."

I bet some are, and I bet a few more of them have had something bad happen to them which has made them that way.

Animals are like people - the vast majority of them are OK, some are twats. You can't go around worrying about the odd mad one.

How do you know its learned behavour by the way, as opposed to instinct? I know plenty of dogs that will kill animals purely on instinct, why couldn't this translate into agression towards people in some cases?

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over a year ago

I have a staffy cross lab got him from rescue so sad to see so many behind bars so upsetting that they get a bad rep. Plus I don't like seeing all the pets on Facebook and the same pets being passed around like toys x

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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury

I will not get into an argument with ppl this is my point of _iew

I work with dogs and it comes down to training or lack of

If you can't control your dog via voice alone don't let it off the lead.

Also never leave a dog,any with a child alone

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I'm very sorry for the family

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"I will not get into an argument with ppl this is my point of _iew

I work with dogs and it comes down to training or lack of

If you can't control your dog via voice alone don't let it off the lead.

Also never leave a dog,any with a child alone

.

I'm very sorry for the family "

Some are highly trained but can still be a bit bokers - I knew a working collie who would come up and "ask" you to stroke him by nuzzling your hand (the farmer always warned you not to), and when you decided to stop, it'd then bite you.....

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over a year ago


"As an owner id be fully in favour of introducing dog licenses

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We had dog licences up to 29 years ago (1987) and they were abandoned because the system was impossible to police.

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over a year ago


"I will not get into an argument with ppl this is my point of _iew

I work with dogs and it comes down to training or lack of

If you can't control your dog via voice alone don't let it off the lead.

Also never leave a dog,any with a child alone

.

I'm very sorry for the family

Some are highly trained but can still be a bit bokers - I knew a working collie who would come up and "ask" you to stroke him by nuzzling your hand (the farmer always warned you not to), and when you decided to stop, it'd then bite you....."

Cats do this all the time. They just get called arseholes.

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over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

Rubbish.

In any kind of animal you can get ones that aren't quite right/are agressive. Sometimes it's down to nurture (ie how they are handled/treated), sometimes they appear to just have been born that way.

I've seen it in dogs, cattle, pigs and even the odd sheep. I had a mate who's sister had a rabbit that was totally batshit.

However, most aren't and you can't live your life in fear of the odd bad one. I've worked with animals all my life and for the most part they are a lot less dangerous than people.

Animals that show aggression for no obvious reasons tend to have health issues. Visible or not.

Not at all. It can be all kind of things. Sometimes it's the presence of testicles, sometimes it's the presence of it's young. Some are just nuts.

Yeah- I forgot that you know Everything about all animals just cos you worked with them!

Well so have I and dogs are not born aggressive. It's learned behaviour.

I bet some are, and I bet a few more of them have had something bad happen to them which has made them that way.

Animals are like people - the vast majority of them are OK, some are twats. You can't go around worrying about the odd mad one.

How do you know its learned behavour by the way, as opposed to instinct? I know plenty of dogs that will kill animals purely on instinct, why couldn't this translate into agression towards people in some cases? "

Dogs are natural predators evolved from the wolf so they have natural aggression which is supposed to be under control hence the term 'domesticated'. You can only domesticate an animal so much though,have you seen how a domesticated cat treats a bird?

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over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

Rubbish.

In any kind of animal you can get ones that aren't quite right/are agressive. Sometimes it's down to nurture (ie how they are handled/treated), sometimes they appear to just have been born that way.

I've seen it in dogs, cattle, pigs and even the odd sheep. I had a mate who's sister had a rabbit that was totally batshit.

However, most aren't and you can't live your life in fear of the odd bad one. I've worked with animals all my life and for the most part they are a lot less dangerous than people.

Animals that show aggression for no obvious reasons tend to have health issues. Visible or not.

Not at all. It can be all kind of things. Sometimes it's the presence of testicles, sometimes it's the presence of it's young. Some are just nuts.

Yeah- I forgot that you know Everything about all animals just cos you worked with them!

Well so have I and dogs are not born aggressive. It's learned behaviour.

I bet some are, and I bet a few more of them have had something bad happen to them which has made them that way.

Animals are like people - the vast majority of them are OK, some are twats. You can't go around worrying about the odd mad one.

How do you know its learned behavour by the way, as opposed to instinct? I know plenty of dogs that will kill animals purely on instinct, why couldn't this translate into agression towards people in some cases?

Dogs are natural predators evolved from the wolf so they have natural aggression which is supposed to be under control hence the term 'domesticated'. You can only domesticate an animal so much though,have you seen how a domesticated cat treats a bird?"
mine washed a baby black bird and then gave it too me.

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over a year ago


"As an owner id be fully in favour of introducing dog licenses

We had dog licences up to 29 years ago (1987) and they were abandoned because the system was impossible to police.

"

Think it was more that it cost more to administer then amount of tac revenue it brought in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

Rubbish.

In any kind of animal you can get ones that aren't quite right/are agressive. Sometimes it's down to nurture (ie how they are handled/treated), sometimes they appear to just have been born that way.

I've seen it in dogs, cattle, pigs and even the odd sheep. I had a mate who's sister had a rabbit that was totally batshit.

However, most aren't and you can't live your life in fear of the odd bad one. I've worked with animals all my life and for the most part they are a lot less dangerous than people.

Animals that show aggression for no obvious reasons tend to have health issues. Visible or not.

Not at all. It can be all kind of things. Sometimes it's the presence of testicles, sometimes it's the presence of it's young. Some are just nuts.

Yeah- I forgot that you know Everything about all animals just cos you worked with them!

Well so have I and dogs are not born aggressive. It's learned behaviour.

I bet some are, and I bet a few more of them have had something bad happen to them which has made them that way.

Animals are like people - the vast majority of them are OK, some are twats. You can't go around worrying about the odd mad one.

How do you know its learned behavour by the way, as opposed to instinct? I know plenty of dogs that will kill animals purely on instinct, why couldn't this translate into agression towards people in some cases?

Dogs are natural predators evolved from the wolf so they have natural aggression which is supposed to be under control hence the term 'domesticated'. You can only domesticate an animal so much though,have you seen how a domesticated cat treats a bird? mine washed a baby black bird and then gave it too me. "

Mine brought me a pigeon and threw it around the kitchen to celebrate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

Rubbish.

In any kind of animal you can get ones that aren't quite right/are agressive. Sometimes it's down to nurture (ie how they are handled/treated), sometimes they appear to just have been born that way.

I've seen it in dogs, cattle, pigs and even the odd sheep. I had a mate who's sister had a rabbit that was totally batshit.

However, most aren't and you can't live your life in fear of the odd bad one. I've worked with animals all my life and for the most part they are a lot less dangerous than people.

Animals that show aggression for no obvious reasons tend to have health issues. Visible or not.

Not at all. It can be all kind of things. Sometimes it's the presence of testicles, sometimes it's the presence of it's young. Some are just nuts.

Yeah- I forgot that you know Everything about all animals just cos you worked with them!

Well so have I and dogs are not born aggressive. It's learned behaviour.

I bet some are, and I bet a few more of them have had something bad happen to them which has made them that way.

Animals are like people - the vast majority of them are OK, some are twats. You can't go around worrying about the odd mad one.

How do you know its learned behavour by the way, as opposed to instinct? I know plenty of dogs that will kill animals purely on instinct, why couldn't this translate into agression towards people in some cases?

Dogs are natural predators evolved from the wolf so they have natural aggression which is supposed to be under control hence the term 'domesticated'. You can only domesticate an animal so much though,have you seen how a domesticated cat treats a bird? mine washed a baby black bird and then gave it too me.

Mine brought me a pigeon and threw it around the kitchen to celebrate "

Dog v cat is not a good comparison really.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"I will not get into an argument with ppl this is my point of _iew

I work with dogs and it comes down to training or lack of

If you can't control your dog via voice alone don't let it off the lead.

Also never leave a dog,any with a child alone

.

I'm very sorry for the family

Some are highly trained but can still be a bit bokers - I knew a working collie who would come up and "ask" you to stroke him by nuzzling your hand (the farmer always warned you not to), and when you decided to stop, it'd then bite you.....

Cats do this all the time. They just get called arseholes."

Ah yes, Cats. I'd forgotten about them....

I find in life, the stuff that people seem to make a fuss about isn't really proportional to the risk.

Occasionally a dog kills someone (I'd be interested to know how many people are injured/die from dog attacks each year) and theres suddenly a whole load of fuss, with people suggesting all manner of odd things to try and mitigate this (tiny) risk. I'm sure more people are killed each year by cattle, but I have no statistics, and there isn't a "dangerous cows act" yet.

Thousands of people die on the roads each year, and hundreds die from alcohol, these are massive risks we take each day, but we still go outside, don't we?

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over a year ago


"I will not get into an argument with ppl this is my point of _iew

I work with dogs and it comes down to training or lack of

If you can't control your dog via voice alone don't let it off the lead.

Also never leave a dog,any with a child alone

.

I'm very sorry for the family

Some are highly trained but can still be a bit bokers - I knew a working collie who would come up and "ask" you to stroke him by nuzzling your hand (the farmer always warned you not to), and when you decided to stop, it'd then bite you.....

Cats do this all the time. They just get called arseholes."

I was bitten by a hamster once; should we have to have licences for them too and a dangerous rodent register?

All my life I've had dogs and never had a problem with any of them because they were trained "to be sociable".

It's the owners who are to blame for the dogs' behaviour not the animal in most cases.

Train something bad and it will react bad! It even works with people.

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over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

Rubbish.

In any kind of animal you can get ones that aren't quite right/are agressive. Sometimes it's down to nurture (ie how they are handled/treated), sometimes they appear to just have been born that way.

I've seen it in dogs, cattle, pigs and even the odd sheep. I had a mate who's sister had a rabbit that was totally batshit.

However, most aren't and you can't live your life in fear of the odd bad one. I've worked with animals all my life and for the most part they are a lot less dangerous than people.

Animals that show aggression for no obvious reasons tend to have health issues. Visible or not.

Not at all. It can be all kind of things. Sometimes it's the presence of testicles, sometimes it's the presence of it's young. Some are just nuts.

Yeah- I forgot that you know Everything about all animals just cos you worked with them!

Well so have I and dogs are not born aggressive. It's learned behaviour.

I bet some are, and I bet a few more of them have had something bad happen to them which has made them that way.

Animals are like people - the vast majority of them are OK, some are twats. You can't go around worrying about the odd mad one.

How do you know its learned behavour by the way, as opposed to instinct? I know plenty of dogs that will kill animals purely on instinct, why couldn't this translate into agression towards people in some cases?

Dogs are natural predators evolved from the wolf so they have natural aggression which is supposed to be under control hence the term 'domesticated'. You can only domesticate an animal so much though,have you seen how a domesticated cat treats a bird? mine washed a baby black bird and then gave it too me.

Mine brought me a pigeon and threw it around the kitchen to celebrate

Dog v cat is not a good comparison really. "

It wasn't a dog v cat analogy, it is a thread about dangerous dogs and cats were only mentioned to illustrate the vicious aggression OUTT domesticated pets still possess regardless of how placid they appear to be

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

Rubbish.

In any kind of animal you can get ones that aren't quite right/are agressive. Sometimes it's down to nurture (ie how they are handled/treated), sometimes they appear to just have been born that way.

I've seen it in dogs, cattle, pigs and even the odd sheep. I had a mate who's sister had a rabbit that was totally batshit.

However, most aren't and you can't live your life in fear of the odd bad one. I've worked with animals all my life and for the most part they are a lot less dangerous than people.

Animals that show aggression for no obvious reasons tend to have health issues. Visible or not.

Not at all. It can be all kind of things. Sometimes it's the presence of testicles, sometimes it's the presence of it's young. Some are just nuts.

Yeah- I forgot that you know Everything about all animals just cos you worked with them!

Well so have I and dogs are not born aggressive. It's learned behaviour.

I bet some are, and I bet a few more of them have had something bad happen to them which has made them that way.

Animals are like people - the vast majority of them are OK, some are twats. You can't go around worrying about the odd mad one.

How do you know its learned behavour by the way, as opposed to instinct? I know plenty of dogs that will kill animals purely on instinct, why couldn't this translate into agression towards people in some cases?

Dogs are natural predators evolved from the wolf so they have natural aggression which is supposed to be under control hence the term 'domesticated'. You can only domesticate an animal so much though,have you seen how a domesticated cat treats a bird?"

Yeah. Poultry are "domesticated" birds, but I've been atacked by more than one cockerel.

Don't get me started on geese - geese are the exception to the "most are OK" rile. Most geese are twats, the odd one is slightly less of a twat....

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over a year ago

Has anyone been clawed by a cat they can be vicious x

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over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

I still think you should be required to apply for a licence to own a dog and all dogs should be chipped "
all dogs have to be chipped now but that doesn't stop idiotic owners who don't train their dogs properly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has anyone been clawed by a cat they can be vicious x"
actually one of my cats clawed my friend. She ended up on antibiotics through infection

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over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners.

I still think you should be required to apply for a licence to own a dog and all dogs should be chipped all dogs have to be chipped now but that doesn't stop idiotic owners who don't train their dogs properly."

They wanted to get all dogs dna so they can race dog poo back to the dog/owner x

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over a year ago

chickens geese etc, are not really domesticated. They're just captive. Cats are too smart to be as domesticated as dogs.

My cat can be aggressive, but it's if his meds need adjusting. He's diabetic.

I agree the risk of death by dog is minimal. And yes cattle kill way more.

I'd still like less twats owning dogs though. Rescues are full of dogs. Many are limited as to where they can be homed to due to the way they've been raised.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"chickens geese etc, are not really domesticated. They're just captive. Cats are too smart to be as domesticated as dogs.

My cat can be aggressive, but it's if his meds need adjusting. He's diabetic.

I agree the risk of death by dog is minimal. And yes cattle kill way more.

I'd still like less twats owning dogs though. Rescues are full of dogs. Many are limited as to where they can be homed to due to the way they've been raised."

They kinda are - as in they aren't the wild type. Admittedly, I don't think anyone has ever bothered breeding them for placidity, and I imagine that they have with dogs (and cows) because the potential for damage to humans is greater with these.

I just get the feeling that people expect animals to behave predictably all the time, and they just won't.

Even if dogs have to 100% "learn" to be agressive, ie there isn't a genteic component to it at all, how do you know the thing that triggers agression is something that anyone is aware of?

I worry about people who tell me that they trust their dog 100% with their kids and/or it always comes back.... Because there's always going to be that time when it doesn't. I don't think I've ever trusted an animal 100%... 99% maybe...

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over a year ago


"chickens geese etc, are not really domesticated. They're just captive. Cats are too smart to be as domesticated as dogs.

My cat can be aggressive, but it's if his meds need adjusting. He's diabetic.

I agree the risk of death by dog is minimal. And yes cattle kill way more.

I'd still like less twats owning dogs though. Rescues are full of dogs. Many are limited as to where they can be homed to due to the way they've been raised.

They kinda are - as in they aren't the wild type. Admittedly, I don't think anyone has ever bothered breeding them for placidity, and I imagine that they have with dogs (and cows) because the potential for damage to humans is greater with these.

I just get the feeling that people expect animals to behave predictably all the time, and they just won't.

Even if dogs have to 100% "learn" to be agressive, ie there isn't a genteic component to it at all, how do you know the thing that triggers agression is something that anyone is aware of?

I worry about people who tell me that they trust their dog 100% with their kids and/or it always comes back.... Because there's always going to be that time when it doesn't. I don't think I've ever trusted an animal 100%... 99% maybe..."

Agree. I trust my boys. But never 100%, my rescue staffy is as soft ad they get, but when I had my brother in a headlock he got anxious. My old boy was rescued by my nan as a youngster, iv know him half my life, but health issues (sight, hearing and arthritus) mean he's cranky. His recall is pretty damn good, but I'm still cautious off lead. Over confidence leads to errors.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I trust animals 100%... to be living creatures with minds of their own, which might do things I don't expect or anticipate, or even understand, sometimes.

Anyone who says different doesn't know all that much about animals.

Some animals can tend to be more unpredictable than others but they're all creatures with minds of their own.

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over a year ago

The staffys really call that is. Recalling a blind deaf dog isn't going to happen

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Incidentally, Ragdoll cats have been bred to be placid.

My two are the most laid back cats you could imagine. They're totally non-aggressive, until one gets so annoyed with the other that deep instinct takes over. They usually just hiss or growl, but occasionally they'll smack each other and bite.

And then there was the time the vet gave one of them an injection which clearly hurt and then tried to clip his claws. The vet lost a chunk of forehead and the cat had no idea what had happened.

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By *effrey45Man
over a year ago

Lytham


"No one under the age of 21 should be allowed to own a dog.

Before you are allowed to own a dog your house should be inspected for suitability.

Anyone wishing to own a dog should be inter_iewed.

You should require a licence and anytime your dog misbehaves you get points on that licence that could lead to confiscation.

All dogs should be muzzled when out in public.

All dogs should have DNA samples taken from them and if your dog shits anywhere and you don't clean up after it you get a warning, second offence and you forfeit the right to own a dog. "

This will cost more to legislate than it would be for an extra beat Bobby

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"chickens geese etc, are not really domesticated. They're just captive. Cats are too smart to be as domesticated as dogs.

My cat can be aggressive, but it's if his meds need adjusting. He's diabetic.

I agree the risk of death by dog is minimal. And yes cattle kill way more.

I'd still like less twats owning dogs though. Rescues are full of dogs. Many are limited as to where they can be homed to due to the way they've been raised.

They kinda are - as in they aren't the wild type. Admittedly, I don't think anyone has ever bothered breeding them for placidity, and I imagine that they have with dogs (and cows) because the potential for damage to humans is greater with these.

I just get the feeling that people expect animals to behave predictably all the time, and they just won't.

Even if dogs have to 100% "learn" to be agressive, ie there isn't a genteic component to it at all, how do you know the thing that triggers agression is something that anyone is aware of?

I worry about people who tell me that they trust their dog 100% with their kids and/or it always comes back.... Because there's always going to be that time when it doesn't. I don't think I've ever trusted an animal 100%... 99% maybe...

Agree. I trust my boys. But never 100%, my rescue staffy is as soft ad they get, but when I had my brother in a headlock he got anxious. My old boy was rescued by my nan as a youngster, iv know him half my life, but health issues (sight, hearing and arthritus) mean he's cranky. His recall is pretty damn good, but I'm still cautious off lead. Over confidence leads to errors."

I have a terrier thats soft as you like with people, hes so benign, lovely with my daughter when she was tiny and so on.

And yet, I've seen him kill small aimals in seconds. I would never trust him 100%, it only takes something to happen that totally freaks him out......

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Incidentally, Ragdoll cats have been bred to be placid.

My two are the most laid back cats you could imagine. They're totally non-aggressive, until one gets so annoyed with the other that deep instinct takes over. They usually just hiss or growl, but occasionally they'll smack each other and bite.

And then there was the time the vet gave one of them an injection which clearly hurt and then tried to clip his claws. The vet lost a chunk of forehead and the cat had no idea what had happened."

Try injecting a boar. That's a barrel of laughs.

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over a year ago


"Incidentally, Ragdoll cats have been bred to be placid.

My two are the most laid back cats you could imagine. They're totally non-aggressive, until one gets so annoyed with the other that deep instinct takes over. They usually just hiss or growl, but occasionally they'll smack each other and bite.

And then there was the time the vet gave one of them an injection which clearly hurt and then tried to clip his claws. The vet lost a chunk of forehead and the cat had no idea what had happened."

I fostered a ragdoll. As you say generally placid. Until I had a carrier bag in my hand. No idea if it was due to a previous experience, or just a dislike/fear. But I ended up looking like I'd been through a shredder. Tortoiseshell cats are knownot as being feisty, but my mum's is so laid back it's like it's stoned. Every stereotype has exceptions.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Incidentally, Ragdoll cats have been bred to be placid.

My two are the most laid back cats you could imagine. They're totally non-aggressive, until one gets so annoyed with the other that deep instinct takes over. They usually just hiss or growl, but occasionally they'll smack each other and bite.

And then there was the time the vet gave one of them an injection which clearly hurt and then tried to clip his claws. The vet lost a chunk of forehead and the cat had no idea what had happened.

Try injecting a boar. That's a barrel of laughs. "

I grew up in the wilds of Norfolk and I've done some interesting animal husbandry type things, but I've not tried injecting a boar. It sounds...challenging.

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over a year ago


"No one under the age of 21 should be allowed to own a dog.

Before you are allowed to own a dog your house should be inspected for suitability.

Anyone wishing to own a dog should be inter_iewed.

You should require a licence and anytime your dog misbehaves you get points on that licence that could lead to confiscation.

All dogs should be muzzled when out in public.

All dogs should have DNA samples taken from them and if your dog shits anywhere and you don't clean up after it you get a warning, second offence and you forfeit the right to own a dog.

This will cost more to legislate than it would be for an extra beat Bobby "

And ?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Incidentally, Ragdoll cats have been bred to be placid.

My two are the most laid back cats you could imagine. They're totally non-aggressive, until one gets so annoyed with the other that deep instinct takes over. They usually just hiss or growl, but occasionally they'll smack each other and bite.

And then there was the time the vet gave one of them an injection which clearly hurt and then tried to clip his claws. The vet lost a chunk of forehead and the cat had no idea what had happened.

Try injecting a boar. That's a barrel of laughs.

I grew up in the wilds of Norfolk and I've done some interesting animal husbandry type things, but I've not tried injecting a boar. It sounds...challenging."

It's 300kgs of "doesn't like you" now, try and poke a needle into the roll of muscle behind it's head and push the plunger. It's easier with a crush, or if you can snatch it (a snatch is a loop of wire you hook between its upper and lower jaws). We don't have a crush, and theres always the risk that if you snatch it, it'll just fuck off and drag you around (albeit a small risk), or that the process of snatching it will just piss it off immeasurably (quite a high risk), so in the first instance it's best just to go in with it and stay away from the "sharp end" of the pig.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Incidentally, Ragdoll cats have been bred to be placid.

My two are the most laid back cats you could imagine. They're totally non-aggressive, until one gets so annoyed with the other that deep instinct takes over. They usually just hiss or growl, but occasionally they'll smack each other and bite.

And then there was the time the vet gave one of them an injection which clearly hurt and then tried to clip his claws. The vet lost a chunk of forehead and the cat had no idea what had happened.

I fostered a ragdoll. As you say generally placid. Until I had a carrier bag in my hand. No idea if it was due to a previous experience, or just a dislike/fear. But I ended up looking like I'd been through a shredder. Tortoiseshell cats are knownot as being feisty, but my mum's is so laid back it's like it's stoned. Every stereotype has exceptions. "

Neither of my Raggies has so much as unsheathed a claw at me in anger in the 10 years I've had them, despite both having 6 years of extreme trauma before I adopted them.

Occasionally I'll get scratched during play, or accidentally, and if I'm trying to give the girl a pill, she'll use her claws for grip when trying to pull my hands away, but neither has ever even threatened to hurt me intentionally. They've not even growled or hissed, (at each other, yes. At me, never).

I still don't trust them 100%.

My vet certainly doesn't trust at least one of them 100%!

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over a year ago


"Incidentally, Ragdoll cats have been bred to be placid.

My two are the most laid back cats you could imagine. They're totally non-aggressive, until one gets so annoyed with the other that deep instinct takes over. They usually just hiss or growl, but occasionally they'll smack each other and bite.

And then there was the time the vet gave one of them an injection which clearly hurt and then tried to clip his claws. The vet lost a chunk of forehead and the cat had no idea what had happened.

I fostered a ragdoll. As you say generally placid. Until I had a carrier bag in my hand. No idea if it was due to a previous experience, or just a dislike/fear. But I ended up looking like I'd been through a shredder. Tortoiseshell cats are knownot as being feisty, but my mum's is so laid back it's like it's stoned. Every stereotype has exceptions.

Neither of my Raggies has so much as unsheathed a claw at me in anger in the 10 years I've had them, despite both having 6 years of extreme trauma before I adopted them.

Occasionally I'll get scratched during play, or accidentally, and if I'm trying to give the girl a pill, she'll use her claws for grip when trying to pull my hands away, but neither has ever even threatened to hurt me intentionally. They've not even growled or hissed, (at each other, yes. At me, never).

I still don't trust them 100%.

My vet certainly doesn't trust at least one of them 100%!"

It's a wonder vets still like animals!! This 1 just went feral. (And I deal with a lot of feral cats!) Never let it see me with another carrier bag, and never any other issue. Was really sweet.

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By *effrey45Man
over a year ago

Lytham


"No one under the age of 21 should be allowed to own a dog.

Before you are allowed to own a dog your house should be inspected for suitability.

Anyone wishing to own a dog should be inter_iewed.

You should require a licence and anytime your dog misbehaves you get points on that licence that could lead to confiscation.

All dogs should be muzzled when out in public.

All dogs should have DNA samples taken from them and if your dog shits anywhere and you don't clean up after it you get a warning, second offence and you forfeit the right to own a dog.

This will cost more to legislate than it would be for an extra beat Bobby

And ?"

Fine if you want a bunch of dog wardens chasing after dogs and feral owners

I'd like my taxes spent on better things

I just hope you don't become a councillor or MP

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Incidentally, Ragdoll cats have been bred to be placid.

My two are the most laid back cats you could imagine. They're totally non-aggressive, until one gets so annoyed with the other that deep instinct takes over. They usually just hiss or growl, but occasionally they'll smack each other and bite.

And then there was the time the vet gave one of them an injection which clearly hurt and then tried to clip his claws. The vet lost a chunk of forehead and the cat had no idea what had happened.

Try injecting a boar. That's a barrel of laughs.

I grew up in the wilds of Norfolk and I've done some interesting animal husbandry type things, but I've not tried injecting a boar. It sounds...challenging.

It's 300kgs of "doesn't like you" now, try and poke a needle into the roll of muscle behind it's head and push the plunger. It's easier with a crush, or if you can snatch it (a snatch is a loop of wire you hook between its upper and lower jaws). We don't have a crush, and theres always the risk that if you snatch it, it'll just fuck off and drag you around (albeit a small risk), or that the process of snatching it will just piss it off immeasurably (quite a high risk), so in the first instance it's best just to go in with it and stay away from the "sharp end" of the pig. "

Sounds like an excellent spectator sport but not something I'll be signing up to try any time soon!

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over a year ago


"It has been repeated shown that a dog, being a pack animal, mimics the pack it is raised in. Take two pups from the same litter, put one with an OAP couple and one with a family with young children and after a short period of time the OAP dog will be quiet and shuffle about while the family dog will run around and be energetic."

Both can still bite x

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"It has been repeated shown that a dog, being a pack animal, mimics the pack it is raised in. Take two pups from the same litter, put one with an OAP couple and one with a family with young children and after a short period of time the OAP dog will be quiet and shuffle about while the family dog will run around and be energetic.

Both can still bite x"

More likely the supposedly calmer 1!

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Incidentally, Ragdoll cats have been bred to be placid.

My two are the most laid back cats you could imagine. They're totally non-aggressive, until one gets so annoyed with the other that deep instinct takes over. They usually just hiss or growl, but occasionally they'll smack each other and bite.

And then there was the time the vet gave one of them an injection which clearly hurt and then tried to clip his claws. The vet lost a chunk of forehead and the cat had no idea what had happened.

Try injecting a boar. That's a barrel of laughs.

I grew up in the wilds of Norfolk and I've done some interesting animal husbandry type things, but I've not tried injecting a boar. It sounds...challenging.

It's 300kgs of "doesn't like you" now, try and poke a needle into the roll of muscle behind it's head and push the plunger. It's easier with a crush, or if you can snatch it (a snatch is a loop of wire you hook between its upper and lower jaws). We don't have a crush, and theres always the risk that if you snatch it, it'll just fuck off and drag you around (albeit a small risk), or that the process of snatching it will just piss it off immeasurably (quite a high risk), so in the first instance it's best just to go in with it and stay away from the "sharp end" of the pig.

Sounds like an excellent spectator sport but not something I'll be signing up to try any time soon! "

It always amuses me, reading things like that back, that our health and safety department won't let us have a penknife to cut bale strings (wer have a "safety" (read: useless) knife. And yet.....

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over a year ago


"No one under the age of 21 should be allowed to own a dog.

Before you are allowed to own a dog your house should be inspected for suitability.

Anyone wishing to own a dog should be inter_iewed.

You should require a licence and anytime your dog misbehaves you get points on that licence that could lead to confiscation.

All dogs should be muzzled when out in public.

All dogs should have DNA samples taken from them and if your dog shits anywhere and you don't clean up after it you get a warning, second offence and you forfeit the right to own a dog.

This will cost more to legislate than it would be for an extra beat Bobby "

DNA test cost between 100 and 300 pounds. and if it isn't a "registered shit" then where does this money come from?

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over a year ago


"I trust animals 100%... to be living creatures with minds of their own, which might do things I don't expect or anticipate, or even understand, sometimes.

Anyone who says different doesn't know all that much about animals.

Some animals can tend to be more unpredictable than others but they're all creatures with minds of their own."

How can you trust an animal that's unpredictable and don't understand it x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cant stand dogs....ex postie

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over a year ago


"It has been repeated shown that a dog, being a pack animal, mimics the pack it is raised in. Take two pups from the same litter, put one with an OAP couple and one with a family with young children and after a short period of time the OAP dog will be quiet and shuffle about while the family dog will run around and be energetic.

Both can still bite x

More likely the supposedly calmer 1! "

Based on a sample of study of how many hundred cases?

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over a year ago


"No one under the age of 21 should be allowed to own a dog.

Before you are allowed to own a dog your house should be inspected for suitability.

Anyone wishing to own a dog should be inter_iewed.

You should require a licence and anytime your dog misbehaves you get points on that licence that could lead to confiscation.

All dogs should be muzzled when out in public.

All dogs should have DNA samples taken from them and if your dog shits anywhere and you don't clean up after it you get a warning, second offence and you forfeit the right to own a dog.

This will cost more to legislate than it would be for an extra beat Bobby

DNA test cost between 100 and 300 pounds. and if it isn't a "registered shit" then where does this money come from?"
DNA testing is 60quid. I foster for a bullbreed rescue. It's done regularly for any that look banned 'type' they're rehomed with their certificate to show they're not.

But I agree DNA testing shit is stupid.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"I trust animals 100%... to be living creatures with minds of their own, which might do things I don't expect or anticipate, or even understand, sometimes.

Anyone who says different doesn't know all that much about animals.

Some animals can tend to be more unpredictable than others but they're all creatures with minds of their own.

How can you trust an animal that's unpredictable and don't understand it x"

You don't. Any of 'em. That's the point.

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over a year ago


"It has been repeated shown that a dog, being a pack animal, mimics the pack it is raised in. Take two pups from the same litter, put one with an OAP couple and one with a family with young children and after a short period of time the OAP dog will be quiet and shuffle about while the family dog will run around and be energetic.

Both can still bite x

More likely the supposedly calmer 1!

Based on a sample of study of how many hundred cases?"

Talking more like thousands if I collect and collaborate the data from the different rescues.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"No one under the age of 21 should be allowed to own a dog.

Before you are allowed to own a dog your house should be inspected for suitability.

Anyone wishing to own a dog should be inter_iewed.

You should require a licence and anytime your dog misbehaves you get points on that licence that could lead to confiscation.

All dogs should be muzzled when out in public.

All dogs should have DNA samples taken from them and if your dog shits anywhere and you don't clean up after it you get a warning, second offence and you forfeit the right to own a dog.

This will cost more to legislate than it would be for an extra beat Bobby

DNA test cost between 100 and 300 pounds. and if it isn't a "registered shit" then where does this money come from? DNA testing is 60quid. I foster for a bullbreed rescue. It's done regularly for any that look banned 'type' they're rehomed with their certificate to show they're not.

But I agree DNA testing shit is stupid."

I'm sure that theres a philosophical point about accepting shit as part of life in there somewhere.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Shit happens"...

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over a year ago


"No one under the age of 21 should be allowed to own a dog.

Before you are allowed to own a dog your house should be inspected for suitability.

Anyone wishing to own a dog should be inter_iewed.

You should require a licence and anytime your dog misbehaves you get points on that licence that could lead to confiscation.

All dogs should be muzzled when out in public.

All dogs should have DNA samples taken from them and if your dog shits anywhere and you don't clean up after it you get a warning, second offence and you forfeit the right to own a dog.

This will cost more to legislate than it would be for an extra beat Bobby

And ?

Fine if you want a bunch of dog wardens chasing after dogs and feral owners

I'd like my taxes spent on better things

I just hope you don't become a councillor or MP"

I'd love there to be dog wardens.

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over a year ago


"No one under the age of 21 should be allowed to own a dog.

Before you are allowed to own a dog your house should be inspected for suitability.

Anyone wishing to own a dog should be inter_iewed.

You should require a licence and anytime your dog misbehaves you get points on that licence that could lead to confiscation.

All dogs should be muzzled when out in public.

All dogs should have DNA samples taken from them and if your dog shits anywhere and you don't clean up after it you get a warning, second offence and you forfeit the right to own a dog.

This will cost more to legislate than it would be for an extra beat Bobby

DNA test cost between 100 and 300 pounds. and if it isn't a "registered shit" then where does this money come from?"

From the fines imposed on the other dog owners for breach of shit regulations.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Incidentally, Ragdoll cats have been bred to be placid.

My two are the most laid back cats you could imagine. They're totally non-aggressive, until one gets so annoyed with the other that deep instinct takes over. They usually just hiss or growl, but occasionally they'll smack each other and bite.

And then there was the time the vet gave one of them an injection which clearly hurt and then tried to clip his claws. The vet lost a chunk of forehead and the cat had no idea what had happened.

Try injecting a boar. That's a barrel of laughs.

I grew up in the wilds of Norfolk and I've done some interesting animal husbandry type things, but I've not tried injecting a boar. It sounds...challenging.

It's 300kgs of "doesn't like you" now, try and poke a needle into the roll of muscle behind it's head and push the plunger. It's easier with a crush, or if you can snatch it (a snatch is a loop of wire you hook between its upper and lower jaws). We don't have a crush, and theres always the risk that if you snatch it, it'll just fuck off and drag you around (albeit a small risk), or that the process of snatching it will just piss it off immeasurably (quite a high risk), so in the first instance it's best just to go in with it and stay away from the "sharp end" of the pig.

Sounds like an excellent spectator sport but not something I'll be signing up to try any time soon!

It always amuses me, reading things like that back, that our health and safety department won't let us have a penknife to cut bale strings (wer have a "safety" (read: useless) knife. And yet..... "

It does seem a bit stupid.

When I was at school we were shown (several times) a health and safety on farms video. It involved things like not climbing on moving tractors and falling under the wheels and not falling into threshing machines. That sort of thing. Useful health and safety (i.e. pay attention, think what you're doing and have some common sense).

Banning penknives on working farms? Words fail me.

I suggest putting the health and safety people in with the boar to give him some instruction on the subject. Maybe they could give him the injection whilst they're in there.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Incidentally, Ragdoll cats have been bred to be placid.

My two are the most laid back cats you could imagine. They're totally non-aggressive, until one gets so annoyed with the other that deep instinct takes over. They usually just hiss or growl, but occasionally they'll smack each other and bite.

And then there was the time the vet gave one of them an injection which clearly hurt and then tried to clip his claws. The vet lost a chunk of forehead and the cat had no idea what had happened.

Try injecting a boar. That's a barrel of laughs.

I grew up in the wilds of Norfolk and I've done some interesting animal husbandry type things, but I've not tried injecting a boar. It sounds...challenging.

It's 300kgs of "doesn't like you" now, try and poke a needle into the roll of muscle behind it's head and push the plunger. It's easier with a crush, or if you can snatch it (a snatch is a loop of wire you hook between its upper and lower jaws). We don't have a crush, and theres always the risk that if you snatch it, it'll just fuck off and drag you around (albeit a small risk), or that the process of snatching it will just piss it off immeasurably (quite a high risk), so in the first instance it's best just to go in with it and stay away from the "sharp end" of the pig.

Sounds like an excellent spectator sport but not something I'll be signing up to try any time soon!

It always amuses me, reading things like that back, that our health and safety department won't let us have a penknife to cut bale strings (wer have a "safety" (read: useless) knife. And yet.....

It does seem a bit stupid.

When I was at school we were shown (several times) a health and safety on farms video. It involved things like not climbing on moving tractors and falling under the wheels and not falling into threshing machines. That sort of thing. Useful health and safety (i.e. pay attention, think what you're doing and have some common sense).

Banning penknives on working farms? Words fail me.

I suggest putting the health and safety people in with the boar to give him some instruction on the subject. Maybe they could give him the injection whilst they're in there. "

I've done a course on "safe pig handling", you know. Apparently, the area behind the pig is known as it's "flight zone". Stand in it, and the pig will move away from you with no hassle or fuss....

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"Incidentally, Ragdoll cats have been bred to be placid.

My two are the most laid back cats you could imagine. They're totally non-aggressive, until one gets so annoyed with the other that deep instinct takes over. They usually just hiss or growl, but occasionally they'll smack each other and bite.

And then there was the time the vet gave one of them an injection which clearly hurt and then tried to clip his claws. The vet lost a chunk of forehead and the cat had no idea what had happened.

Try injecting a boar. That's a barrel of laughs.

I grew up in the wilds of Norfolk and I've done some interesting animal husbandry type things, but I've not tried injecting a boar. It sounds...challenging.

It's 300kgs of "doesn't like you" now, try and poke a needle into the roll of muscle behind it's head and push the plunger. It's easier with a crush, or if you can snatch it (a snatch is a loop of wire you hook between its upper and lower jaws). We don't have a crush, and theres always the risk that if you snatch it, it'll just fuck off and drag you around (albeit a small risk), or that the process of snatching it will just piss it off immeasurably (quite a high risk), so in the first instance it's best just to go in with it and stay away from the "sharp end" of the pig.

Sounds like an excellent spectator sport but not something I'll be signing up to try any time soon!

It always amuses me, reading things like that back, that our health and safety department won't let us have a penknife to cut bale strings (wer have a "safety" (read: useless) knife. And yet.....

It does seem a bit stupid.

When I was at school we were shown (several times) a health and safety on farms video. It involved things like not climbing on moving tractors and falling under the wheels and not falling into threshing machines. That sort of thing. Useful health and safety (i.e. pay attention, think what you're doing and have some common sense).

Banning penknives on working farms? Words fail me.

I suggest putting the health and safety people in with the boar to give him some instruction on the subject. Maybe they could give him the injection whilst they're in there.

I've done a course on "safe pig handling", you know. Apparently, the area behind the pig is known as it's "flight zone". Stand in it, and the pig will move away from you with no hassle or fuss.... "

Or shit on your boot.

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over a year ago


"All dogs are dangerous.

I can't believe any old idiot can buy one. "
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Now you're talking sense

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Incidentally, Ragdoll cats have been bred to be placid.

My two are the most laid back cats you could imagine. They're totally non-aggressive, until one gets so annoyed with the other that deep instinct takes over. They usually just hiss or growl, but occasionally they'll smack each other and bite.

And then there was the time the vet gave one of them an injection which clearly hurt and then tried to clip his claws. The vet lost a chunk of forehead and the cat had no idea what had happened.

Try injecting a boar. That's a barrel of laughs.

I grew up in the wilds of Norfolk and I've done some interesting animal husbandry type things, but I've not tried injecting a boar. It sounds...challenging.

It's 300kgs of "doesn't like you" now, try and poke a needle into the roll of muscle behind it's head and push the plunger. It's easier with a crush, or if you can snatch it (a snatch is a loop of wire you hook between its upper and lower jaws). We don't have a crush, and theres always the risk that if you snatch it, it'll just fuck off and drag you around (albeit a small risk), or that the process of snatching it will just piss it off immeasurably (quite a high risk), so in the first instance it's best just to go in with it and stay away from the "sharp end" of the pig.

Sounds like an excellent spectator sport but not something I'll be signing up to try any time soon!

It always amuses me, reading things like that back, that our health and safety department won't let us have a penknife to cut bale strings (wer have a "safety" (read: useless) knife. And yet.....

It does seem a bit stupid.

When I was at school we were shown (several times) a health and safety on farms video. It involved things like not climbing on moving tractors and falling under the wheels and not falling into threshing machines. That sort of thing. Useful health and safety (i.e. pay attention, think what you're doing and have some common sense).

Banning penknives on working farms? Words fail me.

I suggest putting the health and safety people in with the boar to give him some instruction on the subject. Maybe they could give him the injection whilst they're in there.

I've done a course on "safe pig handling", you know. Apparently, the area behind the pig is known as it's "flight zone". Stand in it, and the pig will move away from you with no hassle or fuss.... "

All well and good as long as the pigs have done the same course.

The manuals on Ragdolls say they have "delicate, musical voices". My boy has clearly not read the manuals because he bellows like a wounded buffalo-hippo hybrid.

Therein lies the problem with all this teaching on animals. The animals are usually not told.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Incidentally, Ragdoll cats have been bred to be placid.

My two are the most laid back cats you could imagine. They're totally non-aggressive, until one gets so annoyed with the other that deep instinct takes over. They usually just hiss or growl, but occasionally they'll smack each other and bite.

And then there was the time the vet gave one of them an injection which clearly hurt and then tried to clip his claws. The vet lost a chunk of forehead and the cat had no idea what had happened.

Try injecting a boar. That's a barrel of laughs.

I grew up in the wilds of Norfolk and I've done some interesting animal husbandry type things, but I've not tried injecting a boar. It sounds...challenging.

It's 300kgs of "doesn't like you" now, try and poke a needle into the roll of muscle behind it's head and push the plunger. It's easier with a crush, or if you can snatch it (a snatch is a loop of wire you hook between its upper and lower jaws). We don't have a crush, and theres always the risk that if you snatch it, it'll just fuck off and drag you around (albeit a small risk), or that the process of snatching it will just piss it off immeasurably (quite a high risk), so in the first instance it's best just to go in with it and stay away from the "sharp end" of the pig.

Sounds like an excellent spectator sport but not something I'll be signing up to try any time soon!

It always amuses me, reading things like that back, that our health and safety department won't let us have a penknife to cut bale strings (wer have a "safety" (read: useless) knife. And yet.....

It does seem a bit stupid.

When I was at school we were shown (several times) a health and safety on farms video. It involved things like not climbing on moving tractors and falling under the wheels and not falling into threshing machines. That sort of thing. Useful health and safety (i.e. pay attention, think what you're doing and have some common sense).

Banning penknives on working farms? Words fail me.

I suggest putting the health and safety people in with the boar to give him some instruction on the subject. Maybe they could give him the injection whilst they're in there.

I've done a course on "safe pig handling", you know. Apparently, the area behind the pig is known as it's "flight zone". Stand in it, and the pig will move away from you with no hassle or fuss....

Or shit on your boot. "

With boars, its more likley to spin round on you becaue you are in it's territory and it doesn't like you, and it certainly doesn't want you where it can't see you.

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over a year ago


"Incidentally, Ragdoll cats have been bred to be placid.

My two are the most laid back cats you could imagine. They're totally non-aggressive, until one gets so annoyed with the other that deep instinct takes over. They usually just hiss or growl, but occasionally they'll smack each other and bite.

And then there was the time the vet gave one of them an injection which clearly hurt and then tried to clip his claws. The vet lost a chunk of forehead and the cat had no idea what had happened.

Try injecting a boar. That's a barrel of laughs.

I grew up in the wilds of Norfolk and I've done some interesting animal husbandry type things, but I've not tried injecting a boar. It sounds...challenging.

It's 300kgs of "doesn't like you" now, try and poke a needle into the roll of muscle behind it's head and push the plunger. It's easier with a crush, or if you can snatch it (a snatch is a loop of wire you hook between its upper and lower jaws). We don't have a crush, and theres always the risk that if you snatch it, it'll just fuck off and drag you around (albeit a small risk), or that the process of snatching it will just piss it off immeasurably (quite a high risk), so in the first instance it's best just to go in with it and stay away from the "sharp end" of the pig.

Sounds like an excellent spectator sport but not something I'll be signing up to try any time soon!

It always amuses me, reading things like that back, that our health and safety department won't let us have a penknife to cut bale strings (wer have a "safety" (read: useless) knife. And yet.....

It does seem a bit stupid.

When I was at school we were shown (several times) a health and safety on farms video. It involved things like not climbing on moving tractors and falling under the wheels and not falling into threshing machines. That sort of thing. Useful health and safety (i.e. pay attention, think what you're doing and have some common sense).

Banning penknives on working farms? Words fail me.

I suggest putting the health and safety people in with the boar to give him some instruction on the subject. Maybe they could give him the injection whilst they're in there.

I've done a course on "safe pig handling", you know. Apparently, the area behind the pig is known as it's "flight zone". Stand in it, and the pig will move away from you with no hassle or fuss....

Or shit on your boot.

With boars, its more likley to spin round on you becaue you are in it's territory and it doesn't like you, and it certainly doesn't want you where it can't see you. "
can't say I blame it. I'd not want my back exposed either.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"can't say I blame it. I'd not want my back exposed either."

You'd probably also want any big, sharp, pointy weapons you happened to have to be pointing towards the potential threat rather than away from it.

A sound approach with a large trespasser you don't like, I'd say

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By *xx1Man
over a year ago

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My thoughts and prayers are with all involved

R.I.P x

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over a year ago


"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits"
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Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership"

Utter drivvle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

Utter drivvle."
.

Well I've spent 25 years owning and training all sorts of dogs from labs to springers to Rottweilers for all sorts of applications.

Your welcome to your opinion but that's mine

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership"

You can own all of those breeds of dog if you have children. Do you leave your kids alone with them? No.

Your child is far, far more likely to get injured or die in your car, but you still own one, and you still drive your child places. Life is full of risk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

Utter drivvle..

Well I've spent 25 years owning and training all sorts of dogs from labs to springers to Rottweilers for all sorts of applications.

Your welcome to your opinion but that's mine"

I won't stereo type based on breed. I'm not that stupid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

You can own all of those breeds of dog if you have children. Do you leave your kids alone with them? No.

Your child is far, far more likely to get injured or die in your car, but you still own one, and you still drive your child places. Life is full of risk. "
.

Would you let your kids ride on the roof rack? Maybe without seatbelts?. Would you drive batshit fast... Sensible people wouldn't, some dickheads do.

My advice is some breeds aren't worth owning if you've got small children, the risk is too great

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

Utter drivvle..

Well I've spent 25 years owning and training all sorts of dogs from labs to springers to Rottweilers for all sorts of applications.

Your welcome to your opinion but that's mine

I won't stereo type based on breed. I'm not that stupid. "
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Then you really don't understand breeding and the difference between breeds

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

You can own all of those breeds of dog if you have children. Do you leave your kids alone with them? No.

Your child is far, far more likely to get injured or die in your car, but you still own one, and you still drive your child places. Life is full of risk. .

Would you let your kids ride on the roof rack? Maybe without seatbelts?. Would you drive batshit fast... Sensible people wouldn't, some dickheads do.

My advice is some breeds aren't worth owning if you've got small children, the risk is too great"

Except its considerably smaller than putting them in the car and driving them anywhere.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Except its considerably smaller than putting them in the car and driving them anywhere. "

There you go again with the logic and being sensible.

What would the health and safety imps say?

You're a lost cause!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

You can own all of those breeds of dog if you have children. Do you leave your kids alone with them? No.

Your child is far, far more likely to get injured or die in your car, but you still own one, and you still drive your child places. Life is full of risk. .

Would you let your kids ride on the roof rack? Maybe without seatbelts?. Would you drive batshit fast... Sensible people wouldn't, some dickheads do.

My advice is some breeds aren't worth owning if you've got small children, the risk is too great

Except its considerably smaller than putting them in the car and driving them anywhere. "
.

I'm currently attempting to reprogramme a 2 year old bull dog for a charity I help out for, if I put you in a room with it for an hour, you'll be surprised how big the risk is that he'll chew your arms off, he's batshit due to being raised by a bunch of fucking idiots, the trouble is that breed has the ability to chew your arms off because they've been breed to be able to chew your arms off and your a grown man!.... Your welcome to get into the ring with him any day you fancy it and prove me wrong about risk, just pm me

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

You can own all of those breeds of dog if you have children. Do you leave your kids alone with them? No.

Your child is far, far more likely to get injured or die in your car, but you still own one, and you still drive your child places. Life is full of risk. .

Would you let your kids ride on the roof rack? Maybe without seatbelts?. Would you drive batshit fast... Sensible people wouldn't, some dickheads do.

My advice is some breeds aren't worth owning if you've got small children, the risk is too great

Except its considerably smaller than putting them in the car and driving them anywhere. .

I'm currently attempting to reprogramme a 2 year old bull dog for a charity I help out for, if I put you in a room with it for an hour, you'll be surprised how big the risk is that he'll chew your arms off, he's batshit due to being raised by a bunch of fucking idiots, the trouble is that breed has the ability to chew your arms off because they've been breed to be able to chew your arms off and your a grown man!.... Your welcome to get into the ring with him any day you fancy it and prove me wrong about risk, just pm me"

Why not just shoot the bloody dog?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

You can own all of those breeds of dog if you have children. Do you leave your kids alone with them? No.

Your child is far, far more likely to get injured or die in your car, but you still own one, and you still drive your child places. Life is full of risk. .

Would you let your kids ride on the roof rack? Maybe without seatbelts?. Would you drive batshit fast... Sensible people wouldn't, some dickheads do.

My advice is some breeds aren't worth owning if you've got small children, the risk is too great

Except its considerably smaller than putting them in the car and driving them anywhere. .

I'm currently attempting to reprogramme a 2 year old bull dog for a charity I help out for, if I put you in a room with it for an hour, you'll be surprised how big the risk is that he'll chew your arms off, he's batshit due to being raised by a bunch of fucking idiots, the trouble is that breed has the ability to chew your arms off because they've been breed to be able to chew your arms off and your a grown man!.... Your welcome to get into the ring with him any day you fancy it and prove me wrong about risk, just pm me"

Dummy out the pram alert!

I regularly spend time with abuses bullies in rescue ta, I just take a better attitude to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership"

I'd add a few more breeds to that list.

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"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

You can own all of those breeds of dog if you have children. Do you leave your kids alone with them? No.

Your child is far, far more likely to get injured or die in your car, but you still own one, and you still drive your child places. Life is full of risk. .

Would you let your kids ride on the roof rack? Maybe without seatbelts?. Would you drive batshit fast... Sensible people wouldn't, some dickheads do.

My advice is some breeds aren't worth owning if you've got small children, the risk is too great

Except its considerably smaller than putting them in the car and driving them anywhere. .

I'm currently attempting to reprogramme a 2 year old bull dog for a charity I help out for, if I put you in a room with it for an hour, you'll be surprised how big the risk is that he'll chew your arms off, he's batshit due to being raised by a bunch of fucking idiots, the trouble is that breed has the ability to chew your arms off because they've been breed to be able to chew your arms off and your a grown man!.... Your welcome to get into the ring with him any day you fancy it and prove me wrong about risk, just pm me

Why not just shoot the bloody dog?"
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It's against charity rules, they like to give them a last chance before they bite the bullet.

Besides at two it's possible to give him a different aspect to life, but I'd never allow him to be placed with a family!.

If breeding means nothing then you have to ask why the police use Shepards, why shooters use springers why the guide dogs use retrievers, why farmers use a sheep dog and why morons use bull terriers

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"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

I'd add a few more breeds to that list. "

It is totally natural for a dog to protect as they do it naturally without being taught,the problem is they are trained to be over aggressive and to just use their aggression by human owners who have aggressive tendencies

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"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

You can own all of those breeds of dog if you have children. Do you leave your kids alone with them? No.

Your child is far, far more likely to get injured or die in your car, but you still own one, and you still drive your child places. Life is full of risk. .

Would you let your kids ride on the roof rack? Maybe without seatbelts?. Would you drive batshit fast... Sensible people wouldn't, some dickheads do.

My advice is some breeds aren't worth owning if you've got small children, the risk is too great

Except its considerably smaller than putting them in the car and driving them anywhere. .

I'm currently attempting to reprogramme a 2 year old bull dog for a charity I help out for, if I put you in a room with it for an hour, you'll be surprised how big the risk is that he'll chew your arms off, he's batshit due to being raised by a bunch of fucking idiots, the trouble is that breed has the ability to chew your arms off because they've been breed to be able to chew your arms off and your a grown man!.... Your welcome to get into the ring with him any day you fancy it and prove me wrong about risk, just pm me

Dummy out the pram alert!

I regularly spend time with abuses bullies in rescue ta, I just take a better attitude to them. "
.

That's fine, you might get lucky all your life, buy that's what it will be, pure luck, you don't understand breeding, dog mentality, natural behaviour and aggression then your likely to get bit on the arse.

If I had a penny for every person that's come into class in twenty years teaching with your mentality I'd be a wealthy man

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over a year ago


"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

I'd add a few more breeds to that list.

It is totally natural for a dog to protect as they do it naturally without being taught,the problem is they are trained to be over aggressive and to just use their aggression by human owners who have aggressive tendencies"

This instinct to protect could be seen as possessiveness and aggression, no?

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over a year ago

You can't just say it's the dogs fault as a way of filing the blame. There are loads of factors involved. Such as, what was the man doing to be attacked, how the dog was raised, what the man looked like (dogs who have been in abusive homes have been known to accosiate features of their abuser, such as no hair, yellow shirt ect. So will often attack these). The dog may have been in a situation of fear.

Most dogs who are on the dangerous breeds list are more often than not, big softies when raised properly.

Chihuahuas and Poodles are often very vicious for no reason, yet these are not on the list? Yes I understand that the ones on the list are dogs bred for fighting, but should then all terriers, and other hunting dogs be banned? As they are bred to kill or maim also?

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"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

You can own all of those breeds of dog if you have children. Do you leave your kids alone with them? No.

Your child is far, far more likely to get injured or die in your car, but you still own one, and you still drive your child places. Life is full of risk. .

Would you let your kids ride on the roof rack? Maybe without seatbelts?. Would you drive batshit fast... Sensible people wouldn't, some dickheads do.

My advice is some breeds aren't worth owning if you've got small children, the risk is too great

Except its considerably smaller than putting them in the car and driving them anywhere. .

I'm currently attempting to reprogramme a 2 year old bull dog for a charity I help out for, if I put you in a room with it for an hour, you'll be surprised how big the risk is that he'll chew your arms off, he's batshit due to being raised by a bunch of fucking idiots, the trouble is that breed has the ability to chew your arms off because they've been breed to be able to chew your arms off and your a grown man!.... Your welcome to get into the ring with him any day you fancy it and prove me wrong about risk, just pm me

Dummy out the pram alert!

I regularly spend time with abuses bullies in rescue ta, I just take a better attitude to them. .

That's fine, you might get lucky all your life, buy that's what it will be, pure luck, you don't understand breeding, dog mentality, natural behaviour and aggression then your likely to get bit on the arse.

If I had a penny for every person that's come into class in twenty years teaching with your mentality I'd be a wealthy man"

You know jack shit about me. No point talking to you, just rude arrogant and stuck up your own backside.

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"You can't just say it's the dogs fault as a way of filing the blame. There are loads of factors involved. Such as, what was the man doing to be attacked, how the dog was raised, what the man looked like (dogs who have been in abusive homes have been known to accosiate features of their abuser, such as no hair, yellow shirt ect. So will often attack these). The dog may have been in a situation of fear.

Most dogs who are on the dangerous breeds list are more often than not, big softies when raised properly.

Chihuahuas and Poodles are often very vicious for no reason, yet these are not on the list? Yes I understand that the ones on the list are dogs bred for fighting, but should then all terriers, and other hunting dogs be banned? As they are bred to kill or maim also?"

I'd much prefer to get a bite from a poodle than a presa canario.

I think hunting dogs are bred to retrieve game rather than to actually kill them.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

You can own all of those breeds of dog if you have children. Do you leave your kids alone with them? No.

Your child is far, far more likely to get injured or die in your car, but you still own one, and you still drive your child places. Life is full of risk. .

Would you let your kids ride on the roof rack? Maybe without seatbelts?. Would you drive batshit fast... Sensible people wouldn't, some dickheads do.

My advice is some breeds aren't worth owning if you've got small children, the risk is too great

Except its considerably smaller than putting them in the car and driving them anywhere. .

I'm currently attempting to reprogramme a 2 year old bull dog for a charity I help out for, if I put you in a room with it for an hour, you'll be surprised how big the risk is that he'll chew your arms off, he's batshit due to being raised by a bunch of fucking idiots, the trouble is that breed has the ability to chew your arms off because they've been breed to be able to chew your arms off and your a grown man!.... Your welcome to get into the ring with him any day you fancy it and prove me wrong about risk, just pm me

Why not just shoot the bloody dog?.

It's against charity rules, they like to give them a last chance before they bite the bullet.

Besides at two it's possible to give him a different aspect to life, but I'd never allow him to be placed with a family!.

If breeding means nothing then you have to ask why the police use Shepards, why shooters use springers why the guide dogs use retrievers, why farmers use a sheep dog and why morons use bull terriers"

So they can't make a decision...

Breeding doesn't mean nothing, but neither is it the be all and end all.

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"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

I'd add a few more breeds to that list.

It is totally natural for a dog to protect as they do it naturally without being taught,the problem is they are trained to be over aggressive and to just use their aggression by human owners who have aggressive tendencies"
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Natural in what way?.... There's very little natural thing about a dog, they've spent 2 thousand years being breed for a thousand different uses very few and far between as pets.

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over a year ago


"There are no dangerous dogs.

There are dangerous owners."

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"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

You can own all of those breeds of dog if you have children. Do you leave your kids alone with them? No.

Your child is far, far more likely to get injured or die in your car, but you still own one, and you still drive your child places. Life is full of risk. .

Would you let your kids ride on the roof rack? Maybe without seatbelts?. Would you drive batshit fast... Sensible people wouldn't, some dickheads do.

My advice is some breeds aren't worth owning if you've got small children, the risk is too great

Except its considerably smaller than putting them in the car and driving them anywhere. .

I'm currently attempting to reprogramme a 2 year old bull dog for a charity I help out for, if I put you in a room with it for an hour, you'll be surprised how big the risk is that he'll chew your arms off, he's batshit due to being raised by a bunch of fucking idiots, the trouble is that breed has the ability to chew your arms off because they've been breed to be able to chew your arms off and your a grown man!.... Your welcome to get into the ring with him any day you fancy it and prove me wrong about risk, just pm me

Dummy out the pram alert!

I regularly spend time with abuses bullies in rescue ta, I just take a better attitude to them. .

That's fine, you might get lucky all your life, buy that's what it will be, pure luck, you don't understand breeding, dog mentality, natural behaviour and aggression then your likely to get bit on the arse.

If I had a penny for every person that's come into class in twenty years teaching with your mentality I'd be a wealthy man

You know jack shit about me. No point talking to you, just rude arrogant and stuck up your own backside. "
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Dummy out of the pram alert

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"You can't just say it's the dogs fault as a way of filing the blame. There are loads of factors involved. Such as, what was the man doing to be attacked, how the dog was raised, what the man looked like (dogs who have been in abusive homes have been known to accosiate features of their abuser, such as no hair, yellow shirt ect. So will often attack these). The dog may have been in a situation of fear.

Most dogs who are on the dangerous breeds list are more often than not, big softies when raised properly.

Chihuahuas and Poodles are often very vicious for no reason, yet these are not on the list? Yes I understand that the ones on the list are dogs bred for fighting, but should then all terriers, and other hunting dogs be banned? As they are bred to kill or maim also?

I'd much prefer to get a bite from a poodle than a presa canario.

I think hunting dogs are bred to retrieve game rather than to actually kill them. "

Hunting dogs fall into HPR (hunt, point, retrieve) like pointers etc, retrievers and so on, "Hunt" dogs, like hounds and beagles, earth and running dogs. Pointers and retrieving dogs are soft mouthed (ie, bring stuff back to you untouched) the others are not (although lurchers should be - they should bring you a live rabbit to stretch yourself). Hounds kill foxes, terriers kill rats and foxes to ground.

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"You can't just say it's the dogs fault as a way of filing the blame. There are loads of factors involved. Such as, what was the man doing to be attacked, how the dog was raised, what the man looked like (dogs who have been in abusive homes have been known to accosiate features of their abuser, such as no hair, yellow shirt ect. So will often attack these). The dog may have been in a situation of fear.

Most dogs who are on the dangerous breeds list are more often than not, big softies when raised properly.

Chihuahuas and Poodles are often very vicious for no reason, yet these are not on the list? Yes I understand that the ones on the list are dogs bred for fighting, but should then all terriers, and other hunting dogs be banned? As they are bred to kill or maim also?

I'd much prefer to get a bite from a poodle than a presa canario.

I think hunting dogs are bred to retrieve game rather than to actually kill them. "

I have a Boxer. They are bred for hunting boars. Now, Boxers don't have much in a way of teeth, but they have a thick skull. Which hurts. As an owner, I know of this pain, and I also know of my dog's issues (rescue dogs always have them). She does not like small children. She is very suspicious of them. So when I walk her and kids want to stroke her, I always pull her in on a short lead, have complete control of her, make her sit, and tell the kids that I am sorry, but this is a dog that can turn nasty quickly, so don't come closer. When I have my small cousins come over, I always put her in a different room.

The situation isn't "that dog can hurt someone! We need to ban it!". It should be "that dog can hurt someone. Lets put that dog into the hands of someone who can control them and understand them"

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over a year ago


"You can't just say it's the dogs fault as a way of filing the blame. There are loads of factors involved. Such as, what was the man doing to be attacked, how the dog was raised, what the man looked like (dogs who have been in abusive homes have been known to accosiate features of their abuser, such as no hair, yellow shirt ect. So will often attack these). The dog may have been in a situation of fear.

Most dogs who are on the dangerous breeds list are more often than not, big softies when raised properly.

Chihuahuas and Poodles are often very vicious for no reason, yet these are not on the list? Yes I understand that the ones on the list are dogs bred for fighting, but should then all terriers, and other hunting dogs be banned? As they are bred to kill or maim also?

I'd much prefer to get a bite from a poodle than a presa canario.

I think hunting dogs are bred to retrieve game rather than to actually kill them.

Hunting dogs fall into HPR (hunt, point, retrieve) like pointers etc, retrievers and so on, "Hunt" dogs, like hounds and beagles, earth and running dogs. Pointers and retrieving dogs are soft mouthed (ie, bring stuff back to you untouched) the others are not (although lurchers should be - they should bring you a live rabbit to stretch yourself). Hounds kill foxes, terriers kill rats and foxes to ground. "

Ah ok, I was thinking of the dog I had growing up. A Irish red setter. Forgot about the hounds that kill foxes and rabbits

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over a year ago

bristol

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"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

You can own all of those breeds of dog if you have children. Do you leave your kids alone with them? No.

Your child is far, far more likely to get injured or die in your car, but you still own one, and you still drive your child places. Life is full of risk. .

Would you let your kids ride on the roof rack? Maybe without seatbelts?. Would you drive batshit fast... Sensible people wouldn't, some dickheads do.

My advice is some breeds aren't worth owning if you've got small children, the risk is too great

Except its considerably smaller than putting them in the car and driving them anywhere. .

I'm currently attempting to reprogramme a 2 year old bull dog for a charity I help out for, if I put you in a room with it for an hour, you'll be surprised how big the risk is that he'll chew your arms off, he's batshit due to being raised by a bunch of fucking idiots, the trouble is that breed has the ability to chew your arms off because they've been breed to be able to chew your arms off and your a grown man!.... Your welcome to get into the ring with him any day you fancy it and prove me wrong about risk, just pm me

Why not just shoot the bloody dog?.

It's against charity rules, they like to give them a last chance before they bite the bullet.

Besides at two it's possible to give him a different aspect to life, but I'd never allow him to be placed with a family!.

If breeding means nothing then you have to ask why the police use Shepards, why shooters use springers why the guide dogs use retrievers, why farmers use a sheep dog and why morons use bull terriers

So they can't make a decision...

Breeding doesn't mean nothing, but neither is it the be all and end all. "
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I didn't say it was, I said if they decide to go rogue for one of many many reasons like all dogs could do..... They've been breed to be better adapted for it, some breeds to the point of ridiculousness, the fact of the matter is that should a bull terrier decide your child is fair game, you will not be able to remove it from its face.... For me, that's a risk to far .

But it's a free world your welcome to give it a go, I'm giving my opinion, one based on 25 years of dog handling

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"You can't just say it's the dogs fault as a way of filing the blame. There are loads of factors involved. Such as, what was the man doing to be attacked, how the dog was raised, what the man looked like (dogs who have been in abusive homes have been known to accosiate features of their abuser, such as no hair, yellow shirt ect. So will often attack these). The dog may have been in a situation of fear.

Most dogs who are on the dangerous breeds list are more often than not, big softies when raised properly.

Chihuahuas and Poodles are often very vicious for no reason, yet these are not on the list? Yes I understand that the ones on the list are dogs bred for fighting, but should then all terriers, and other hunting dogs be banned? As they are bred to kill or maim also?

I'd much prefer to get a bite from a poodle than a presa canario.

I think hunting dogs are bred to retrieve game rather than to actually kill them.

I have a Boxer. They are bred for hunting boars. Now, Boxers don't have much in a way of teeth, but they have a thick skull. Which hurts. As an owner, I know of this pain, and I also know of my dog's issues (rescue dogs always have them). She does not like small children. She is very suspicious of them. So when I walk her and kids want to stroke her, I always pull her in on a short lead, have complete control of her, make her sit, and tell the kids that I am sorry, but this is a dog that can turn nasty quickly, so don't come closer. When I have my small cousins come over, I always put her in a different room.

The situation isn't "that dog can hurt someone! We need to ban it!". It should be "that dog can hurt someone. Lets put that dog into the hands of someone who can control them and understand them""

Ya I get your point. However I would be concerned about having a dog that can 'turn nasty quickly'.

Not all dog owners are as responsible as you seem to be

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"You can't just say it's the dogs fault as a way of filing the blame. There are loads of factors involved. Such as, what was the man doing to be attacked, how the dog was raised, what the man looked like (dogs who have been in abusive homes have been known to accosiate features of their abuser, such as no hair, yellow shirt ect. So will often attack these). The dog may have been in a situation of fear.

Most dogs who are on the dangerous breeds list are more often than not, big softies when raised properly.

Chihuahuas and Poodles are often very vicious for no reason, yet these are not on the list? Yes I understand that the ones on the list are dogs bred for fighting, but should then all terriers, and other hunting dogs be banned? As they are bred to kill or maim also?

I'd much prefer to get a bite from a poodle than a presa canario.

I think hunting dogs are bred to retrieve game rather than to actually kill them.

I have a Boxer. They are bred for hunting boars. Now, Boxers don't have much in a way of teeth, but they have a thick skull. Which hurts. As an owner, I know of this pain, and I also know of my dog's issues (rescue dogs always have them). She does not like small children. She is very suspicious of them. So when I walk her and kids want to stroke her, I always pull her in on a short lead, have complete control of her, make her sit, and tell the kids that I am sorry, but this is a dog that can turn nasty quickly, so don't come closer. When I have my small cousins come over, I always put her in a different room.

The situation isn't "that dog can hurt someone! We need to ban it!". It should be "that dog can hurt someone. Lets put that dog into the hands of someone who can control them and understand them"

Ya I get your point. However I would be concerned about having a dog that can 'turn nasty quickly'.

Not all dog owners are as responsible as you seem to be "

With the boxer, I simply say that so they stay away. She doesn't turn nasty nasty, but a kid coming up to her often causes her to go into a panic attack (we have no idea what happened to her in her last home the poor baby. It's almost like PTSD with her) and often results in my getting a split eyebrow as I'm trying to calm her down. Upset dog = upset owner

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

I sense an entirely different debate emerging about dogs which we know can turn nasty, (individuals, not breeds) but we neglect to shoot......

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"We had a border collie when I was young, it attacked my dad due to him hitting my mum. The dog did some damage to my dad's hand and arm. This was the softest dog you can meet and was very well trained.

I think it is natural to dogs to protect especially females+children and that is a major reason why people love them so much and will tolerate them chewing the house to bits.

Lol the only thing a dog does that's natural is shag,shit and eat, everything else is learned, any dog can be trained to be batshit, however it would be a bit pointless training a handbag dog to be a killer BECAUSE they weren't bread for it.... Anybody that says I've got a dog I trust with my one year old is a fucking idiot, people who have Staffordshire bulls with young children are bigger idiots because that dog was bread to do a job and that job was to kill small animals(like children) with a bite and every now and then, there'll do it, despite your.... But it was lovely.

Number 1 rule, never leave a dog with small children

Never own a bull terrier, German Shepard, Rottweiler,doberman if you've got young children.

And never ever let them dominate you, if that day comes the dog needs putting down or a change of ownership

I'd add a few more breeds to that list.

It is totally natural for a dog to protect as they do it naturally without being taught,the problem is they are trained to be over aggressive and to just use their aggression by human owners who have aggressive tendencies.

Natural in what way?.... There's very little natural thing about a dog, they've spent 2 thousand years being breed for a thousand different uses very few and far between as pets.

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Natural in the way that they do it without being taught to do it as I already said,pack animals have protective instincts to the members of their pack

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

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To turn this debate on it's head: If a farmer hs a bad-tempered cow, it ends up down the road asap, if we have a nasty boar, it gets culled. Why do nasty dogs get second chances? It's not like theres a shortage of dogs in the world.

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"To turn this debate on it's head: If a farmer hs a bad-tempered cow, it ends up down the road asap, if we have a nasty boar, it gets culled. Why do nasty dogs get second chances? It's not like theres a shortage of dogs in the world. "

I think it's because it is generally accepted that it was human error/wrongdoing that made the dog do wrong in the first place?

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I wonder how many people would put a baby or small child in a room with a "dangerous dog" for an hour and be 100% ok with that and know the dog won't touch then x

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"To turn this debate on it's head: If a farmer hs a bad-tempered cow, it ends up down the road asap, if we have a nasty boar, it gets culled. Why do nasty dogs get second chances? It's not like theres a shortage of dogs in the world. "

Live stock and pets are not the same. Livestock will meet that end regardless. Pet dogs are bred for mainly selfish reasons, and breeds like sbts are pts daily up and down the country. Over bred to make the morons who own them a few quid. They deserve another chance.

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"To turn this debate on it's head: If a farmer hs a bad-tempered cow, it ends up down the road asap, if we have a nasty boar, it gets culled. Why do nasty dogs get second chances? It's not like theres a shortage of dogs in the world.

Live stock and pets are not the same. Livestock will meet that end regardless. Pet dogs are bred for mainly selfish reasons, and breeds like sbts are pts daily up and down the country. Over bred to make the morons who own them a few quid. They deserve another chance."

So if a dog that has a history of aggression bit me that's ok? X

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

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"I wonder how many people would put a baby or small child in a room with a "dangerous dog" for an hour and be 100% ok with that and know the dog won't touch then x"

If you are OK with a small child being in the room alone with any dog, then you are a moron.

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"I wonder how many people would put a baby or small child in a room with a "dangerous dog" for an hour and be 100% ok with that and know the dog won't touch then x"

How many would put a baby/small child in a room with any dog for an hour and be 100%OK with that and know the dog won't touch them.

Can never know 100% regardless of breed?

Anyone who says they can trust their dog 100% is delusional.

Doesn't mean they can't live together.

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"I wonder how many people would put a baby or small child in a room with a "dangerous dog" for an hour and be 100% ok with that and know the dog won't touch then x

If you are OK with a small child being in the room alone with any dog, then you are a moron.

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I think there is some people on here that would tho x

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"To turn this debate on it's head: If a farmer hs a bad-tempered cow, it ends up down the road asap, if we have a nasty boar, it gets culled. Why do nasty dogs get second chances? It's not like theres a shortage of dogs in the world.

Live stock and pets are not the same. Livestock will meet that end regardless. Pet dogs are bred for mainly selfish reasons, and breeds like sbts are pts daily up and down the country. Over bred to make the morons who own them a few quid. They deserve another chance.

So if a dog that has a history of aggression bit me that's ok? X"

No. What I think she is getting at is that livestock is livestock, while with pets we form an emotional bond with them. The owners may believe they deserve a second chance, because most of us don't even see dogs as pets anymore. We see them as friends, family even

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"To turn this debate on it's head: If a farmer hs a bad-tempered cow, it ends up down the road asap, if we have a nasty boar, it gets culled. Why do nasty dogs get second chances? It's not like theres a shortage of dogs in the world.

Live stock and pets are not the same. Livestock will meet that end regardless. Pet dogs are bred for mainly selfish reasons, and breeds like sbts are pts daily up and down the country. Over bred to make the morons who own them a few quid. They deserve another chance.

So if a dog that has a history of aggression bit me that's ok? X"

Where did I say anything like that?

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"I wonder how many people would put a baby or small child in a room with a "dangerous dog" for an hour and be 100% ok with that and know the dog won't touch then x

If you are OK with a small child being in the room alone with any dog, then you are a moron.

I think there is some people on here that would tho x"

I have a Springer, absolutely soft and as daft as a brush. No way would I leave him in a room with kids. All it takes is for a kid to accidently poke him in the eye or something similar and his only and natural defence mechanism is to bite. Just not worth the risk.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

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"To turn this debate on it's head: If a farmer hs a bad-tempered cow, it ends up down the road asap, if we have a nasty boar, it gets culled. Why do nasty dogs get second chances? It's not like theres a shortage of dogs in the world.

Live stock and pets are not the same. Livestock will meet that end regardless. Pet dogs are bred for mainly selfish reasons, and breeds like sbts are pts daily up and down the country. Over bred to make the morons who own them a few quid. They deserve another chance."

Pets meet an end humans do too, come to that, its inevitable. I don't know why you'd give an agressive dog a second chance, a bullet costs 20p, and there are thousands of non-agressive dogs yu could then be concentrating on with all the time you have freed up.

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"To turn this debate on it's head: If a farmer hs a bad-tempered cow, it ends up down the road asap, if we have a nasty boar, it gets culled. Why do nasty dogs get second chances? It's not like theres a shortage of dogs in the world.

Live stock and pets are not the same. Livestock will meet that end regardless. Pet dogs are bred for mainly selfish reasons, and breeds like sbts are pts daily up and down the country. Over bred to make the morons who own them a few quid. They deserve another chance.

So if a dog that has a history of aggression bit me that's ok? X

Where did I say anything like that? "

To me, this arguement is like "if a human hit me, it would be ok would it?". We have a history of aggression, but oh, we get second chances. Who are we to decide that a breed should be put down just because they are known to be violent?

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"To turn this debate on it's head: If a farmer hs a bad-tempered cow, it ends up down the road asap, if we have a nasty boar, it gets culled. Why do nasty dogs get second chances? It's not like theres a shortage of dogs in the world.

Live stock and pets are not the same. Livestock will meet that end regardless. Pet dogs are bred for mainly selfish reasons, and breeds like sbts are pts daily up and down the country. Over bred to make the morons who own them a few quid. They deserve another chance.

So if a dog that has a history of aggression bit me that's ok? X

Where did I say anything like that? "

The question was why do nasty dogs get 2nd chances and you said they deserve another chance.....did I pick you up wrong? X

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"To turn this debate on it's head: If a farmer hs a bad-tempered cow, it ends up down the road asap, if we have a nasty boar, it gets culled. Why do nasty dogs get second chances? It's not like theres a shortage of dogs in the world.

Live stock and pets are not the same. Livestock will meet that end regardless. Pet dogs are bred for mainly selfish reasons, and breeds like sbts are pts daily up and down the country. Over bred to make the morons who own them a few quid. They deserve another chance.

Pets meet an end humans do too, come to that, its inevitable. I don't know why you'd give an agressive dog a second chance, a bullet costs 20p, and there are thousands of non-agressive dogs yu could then be concentrating on with all the time you have freed up. "

If you shoot a dog, you are desipicable in my books. If they need to be put down, put them to sleep. I dislike guns. Despise them even, as I have seen first hand what they can do if used wrongly

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"To turn this debate on it's head: If a farmer hs a bad-tempered cow, it ends up down the road asap, if we have a nasty boar, it gets culled. Why do nasty dogs get second chances? It's not like theres a shortage of dogs in the world.

Live stock and pets are not the same. Livestock will meet that end regardless. Pet dogs are bred for mainly selfish reasons, and breeds like sbts are pts daily up and down the country. Over bred to make the morons who own them a few quid. They deserve another chance.

So if a dog that has a history of aggression bit me that's ok? X

Where did I say anything like that?

The question was why do nasty dogs get 2nd chances and you said they deserve another chance.....did I pick you up wrong? X"

I'm not sure how you made the leap between second chance and me thinking it's OK if you got bitten!

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By *MaleMan
over a year ago


" legislation that should have protected him and other members of the public failed. "

Legislation should put the anti social s#it & skanks that lumber society & the system with their crap and dangerous dogs in a cell more than they do.

Most dogs I've come across considered dangerous have been trained that way or that abused and been aggressively treated they're effectively disturbed and sadly unsafe.

Dont blame the weapon, blame the scum using it.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

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"To turn this debate on it's head: If a farmer hs a bad-tempered cow, it ends up down the road asap, if we have a nasty boar, it gets culled. Why do nasty dogs get second chances? It's not like theres a shortage of dogs in the world.

Live stock and pets are not the same. Livestock will meet that end regardless. Pet dogs are bred for mainly selfish reasons, and breeds like sbts are pts daily up and down the country. Over bred to make the morons who own them a few quid. They deserve another chance.

Pets meet an end humans do too, come to that, its inevitable. I don't know why you'd give an agressive dog a second chance, a bullet costs 20p, and there are thousands of non-agressive dogs yu could then be concentrating on with all the time you have freed up.

If you shoot a dog, you are desipicable in my books. If they need to be put down, put them to sleep. I dislike guns. Despise them even, as I have seen first hand what they can do if used wrongly"

And I hate the lethal injection. I did my work expeience in a vets and was there when quite a few dogs were put down. I've seen many pigs put down with the lethal injection, a couple of horses and a sheep too.

It takes a long time, and you can fuck up the dose, because you get the occasional animal who is more tolerant to the drug than most. The sheep was given the lethal injection right into it's heart (I didn't have my gun and I'd called the vet out about something else) and the vet shagged it up, so t had a long needle in its heart and was literally pissing blood everywhere.

Whether you, eronsally like guns or not is immaterial. They do a job, and they do it very swiftly 99% of the time.

I've seen no dragged out deaths from a captive bolt/rifle/shotgun.

The only reason people like lethal injections is that they are clean. Bullets are messy (ie there is blood), but there is no suffering, and that is my main concern.

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"To turn this debate on it's head: If a farmer hs a bad-tempered cow, it ends up down the road asap, if we have a nasty boar, it gets culled. Why do nasty dogs get second chances? It's not like theres a shortage of dogs in the world.

Live stock and pets are not the same. Livestock will meet that end regardless. Pet dogs are bred for mainly selfish reasons, and breeds like sbts are pts daily up and down the country. Over bred to make the morons who own them a few quid. They deserve another chance.

So if a dog that has a history of aggression bit me that's ok? X

Where did I say anything like that?

The question was why do nasty dogs get 2nd chances and you said they deserve another chance.....did I pick you up wrong? X

I'm not sure how you made the leap between second chance and me thinking it's OK if you got bitten!

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The guy mentioned the dog being nasty.... whole discussion is about dogs being aggressive and biting people ....it was one or the other x

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"To turn this debate on it's head: If a farmer hs a bad-tempered cow, it ends up down the road asap, if we have a nasty boar, it gets culled. Why do nasty dogs get second chances? It's not like theres a shortage of dogs in the world.

Live stock and pets are not the same. Livestock will meet that end regardless. Pet dogs are bred for mainly selfish reasons, and breeds like sbts are pts daily up and down the country. Over bred to make the morons who own them a few quid. They deserve another chance.

Pets meet an end humans do too, come to that, its inevitable. I don't know why you'd give an agressive dog a second chance, a bullet costs 20p, and there are thousands of non-agressive dogs yu could then be concentrating on with all the time you have freed up.

If you shoot a dog, you are desipicable in my books. If they need to be put down, put them to sleep. I dislike guns. Despise them even, as I have seen first hand what they can do if used wrongly

And I hate the lethal injection. I did my work expeience in a vets and was there when quite a few dogs were put down. I've seen many pigs put down with the lethal injection, a couple of horses and a sheep too.

It takes a long time, and you can fuck up the dose, because you get the occasional animal who is more tolerant to the drug than most. The sheep was given the lethal injection right into it's heart (I didn't have my gun and I'd called the vet out about something else) and the vet shagged it up, so t had a long needle in its heart and was literally pissing blood everywhere.

Whether you, eronsally like guns or not is immaterial. They do a job, and they do it very swiftly 99% of the time.

I've seen no dragged out deaths from a captive bolt/rifle/shotgun.

The only reason people like lethal injections is that they are clean. Bullets are messy (ie there is blood), but there is no suffering, and that is my main concern. "

While a gun suits you more, I have very bad experience with people who have decided to put down one of my pets with a gun, just because he (my cat) was wondering outside the farmers farm and he feared for his fully caged chickens. So he shot him and caused him half a year of pain and surgery. This is why I hate guns. Yes, you may use it wisely and responsibly, but after seeing the suffering my cat when through, I hold a massive grudge

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