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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Re hospital cut backs etc.

Broke my heart to see the elderly being treated badly on these wards. And im sorry but you can not blame cutbacks on bullying.

Something needs to be done and quick.

Get rid of all those bloody managers for a start.

Oh im so bloody angry.

Needs summat stiff to calm me down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Re hospital cut backs etc.

Broke my heart to see the elderly being treated badly on these wards. And im sorry but you can not blame cutbacks on bullying.

Something needs to be done and quick.

Get rid of all those bloody managers for a start.

Oh im so bloody angry.

Needs summat stiff to calm me down.

Of all the cruel acts 'humans' do to each other neglect of the elderly really pulls on my heart strings. I wish we were more european in our approach and looked after our failing parents in their last years in our own homes as the norm. When I was a child almost every family had a grannie or grandpa living with them - care homes were a last resort.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I just wanted to put my arms round them and make them feel better.

they were scared and in pain and how the feckin care staff could treat another human being like that, well god only knows.

They gotta remember...they gonna be old one day

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Did none of ya heathens watch this then.

Im flabbergasted...in fact....

My flabber has never been so gasted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never saw it Peaches, but I will certainly be watching it tomorrow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was on it...Shhh matron has just gone past me bedroom not supposed to be up this late...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It made me angry.

It made me not want to go into hospital. EVER.

Terrible state and mainly caused by managers of said trusts.

They ought to be shot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What hospital was it Peaches

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It made me angry.

It made me not want to go into hospital. EVER.

Terrible state and mainly caused by managers of said trusts.

They ought to be shot.

Nobody WANTS to go into hospital. EVER.

Yet they do. Almost every day of almost every week of every year. Year in and year out. By and large they come out healthier than the go in.

When they don't - whose fault is it?

Managers who scarcely see a patient or does the blame lie further down the chain - to patients who fail to present early enough? To children who don't take enough interest in their parent(s) health (beyond assessing their exppectation of an inheritance)? To GPs who want to keep a patient on their per capita?

I don't see where managers are culpable in this regard.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

It's fashionable to blame NHS managers for everything that goes wrong in our health system.....Cameron has planted a seed in the heads of the electorate that the NHS is massively over managed....so it MUST be true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

money will allways overide care

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What hospital was it Peaches "

Not sure ...?

This documentary should up the flaws in the health care big time. nurses admitting they dont do mrsa checks and Other checks which would indicate serious damage to a patient.

They sat around nurses stations mostly and barked out abuse at the elderly.

If i had ever caught this level of care being visited on my parents in hospital. I would now be doing time.

And yes i blame the management of said hospital.

Money rules...not caring

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's fashionable to blame NHS managers for everything that goes wrong in our health system.....Cameron has planted a seed in the heads of the electorate that the NHS is massively over managed....so it MUST be true

Cameron wants to see the NHS bereft of leadership so he can impose his chums from BUPA and the Nuffield chain into positions where they can steer your NI contri's into their shareholders' pockets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its disgraceful to treat elderly patients with no respect. I shall definitely watch this programme tomorrow

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Its disgraceful to treat elderly patients with no respect. I shall definitely watch this programme tomorrow

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its not just elderly patients

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

my dogs get better care than some elderly ,,,,but my dogs arnt called sprout

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"my dogs get better care than some elderly ,,,,but my dogs arnt called sprout"

Ohhhh you leave me sprout alone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"money will allways overide care"

This is what the BMA, the Nurse's Union, assorted Royal Colleges and many, many others have been saying for yonks.

This is what the Lib Dems were saying until they got a sniff of the leather seats in the ministerial cars.

This is what right-thinking people up and down the country know from their own experience as patients, relatives and visitors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it costs over 400 per week ,,i couldnt pay that when i am healthy,,in a home i mean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

feed him sprouts and he will fart

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Everyone is saying it.

It doesnt help seeing uncaring staff treat people worse then animals.

Because they cant be botherD

Those being filmed in this programme should be sacked out right. No excuse for it. regardless of money issues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what is going to happen in the future when we all live longer and there are more old folk than workers make them work longer ,,crap

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Morale in the NHS is at an all time low, people are being made redundant all through the health service and the true figures are being hidden by this 'Two Bob' coalition....

The mental health nurse who rents the flat above my shop has been in the NHS for 17 years since leaving nursing college, she has had her hours cut by a quarter.....no wonder the staff morale is rock bottom.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everyone is saying it.

It doesnt help seeing uncaring staff treat people worse then animals.

Because they cant be botherD

Those being filmed in this programme should be sacked out right. No excuse for it. regardless of money issues.

Who was it who was treating these "people worse than animals"?

The managers you can't wait to "rid of .............. for a start" or the rank and file staff on less than £6 an hour?

I think we should be told.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The staff.

Go watch it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The staff.

Go watch it

So why is the target of your OP the "bloody managers"?

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"Re hospital cut backs etc.

Broke my heart to see the elderly being treated badly on these wards. And im sorry but you can not blame cutbacks on bullying.

Something needs to be done and quick.

Get rid of all those bloody managers for a start.

Oh im so bloody angry.

Needs summat stiff to calm me down.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Because they have targets and god help those working on the wards etc if they dont meet them.

trying to send people home who are seriously ill so to have an empty bed etc.

It was bullying at its worst

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

The managers are themselves being bullied by the Minister for Health....

It is a rotten affair from top to bottom....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because they have targets and god help those working on the wards etc if they dont meet them.

trying to send people home who are seriously ill so to have an empty bed etc.

It was bullying at its worst

The trouble with that accusation is that it simply isn't how it works.

Bits of the NHS work on fast turnover and throughput but NHS Consultants, the people who actually RUN the NHS (whatever managers might think!), get paid on outcomes.

Sending your granny home to die alone doesn't pay for fortnight in Tuscany.

It makes a good headline, but it doesn't make sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The managers are themselves being bullied by the Minister for Health....

It is a rotten affair from top to bottom...."

There's something profoundly rotten in Richmond House. Lansley will be lucky to see the end of this 'pause' with his career intact.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Because they have targets and god help those working on the wards etc if they dont meet them.

trying to send people home who are seriously ill so to have an empty bed etc.

It was bullying at its worst

The trouble with that accusation is that it simply isn't how it works.

Bits of the NHS work on fast turnover and throughput but NHS Consultants, the people who actually RUN the NHS (whatever managers might think!), get paid on outcomes.

Sending your granny home to die alone doesn't pay for fortnight in Tuscany.

It makes a good headline, but it doesn't make sense."

What ive written is simply my own view and i dont expect anyone else to agree with it.

What i witnessed in this programme made my blood boil.

I dont expect you to agree or disagree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank god for private healthcare! It makes me glad i didn't toss it off at school and can afford quality care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What ive written is simply my own view and i dont expect anyone else to agree with it.

What i witnessed in this programme made my blood boil.

I dont expect you to agree or disagree.

I'm sure it did.

I'm sure it was intended to.

I'm sure what was broadcast was the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

OK. Meatloaf was right. Two outta three ain't bad.

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By *itepoosieWoman
over a year ago

North East (anywhere between Dublin & Belfast)

Sadly (in some cases) private care can be worse. Some i have worked in have been very penny pinching with things like staff, gloves, laundry etc as they are profit making. I've seen signs up in patients rooms advising nurses&carers that unless gloves are torn they are to be washed & left for the next visit to that patient - disposable gloves... It's in the name!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Im not stupid ok.

I know that TV programmes dont always tell it how it is.

The bad treatment that goes on in some hospitals of all ages is a fact and not fiction.

And that there are some excellent care staff and there are those who shouldnt be let near a hospital .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im not stupid ok.

I know that TV programmes dont always tell it how it is.

The bad treatment that goes on in some hospitals of all ages is a fact and not fiction.

And that there are some excellent care staff and there are those who shouldnt be let near a hospital .

.......... and, even if we accept that you're right, why does this involve getting rid all the bloody managers?

Is that some sort of miracle cure?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I find it quite ironic that someone can have an opinion on someone elses opinion.

As i said.........My opinion ok.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I find it quite ironic that someone can have an opinion on someone elses opinion.

As i said.........My opinion ok. "

It's an opinion you seem to hold sufficiently strongly to start a thread on Fab.

Is there a reason why your opinion can't be tested? Merely having an opinion doesn't make it right.

PS. Are you sure you mean ironic?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

And i dont appreciate sarcasm either.

Seems to me that your on the side of the fantastic managers....are you one ?

When in fact they seem to be a bunch of feckwits whose combined managerial skills couldnt sort out the fruit and veg in asda.

That was probably their last job.

And i leave it there.

You however seem to enjoy winding people up who dare have an opinion different to yours.

SO go knock ya self out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The NHS is a large part of our society and reflects our society. There is good and bad in everything.

The reality is that as in all good organisations you need effective management to maximise the good and minimise the bad. It is a complete myth that managers in the NHS are a bad thing. Bad managers are bad, but please think it through, what would the NHS be like without good managers in plentiful numbers.

I could probably argue that the issues the Op raises in her original post are there because of not enough managers.

Managers and 'backroom' staff in the NHS, Police etc are simply an easy target. They become the victims of well constructed 'soundbites' and are squeezed and undervalued whenever it suits cost cutting.

The truth is that you get what you pay for, the problem the Op highlights would probably not exist if there were sufficient good managers or background staff in place.

That's without approaching the subject of frontline staff being correctly respected, treated and rewarded.

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