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"How come every time an act terrorism is carried out they tell it's someone with mental health issue's." What else would one call a terrorist but a loony | |||
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"No link to terrorism they say." slightly off topic, your avatar pic is very erotic.. | |||
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"It was only a matter of time "What was only a matter of time? The Met estimate that there were 9,000 stabbings in London last year... | |||
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"How come every time an act terrorism is carried out they tell it's someone with mental health issue's." Because there is a substantive difference in an attack, planned and carried out over distance by so-called Islamic State that could be monitored, intercepted and neutralised. ...and it is quite another thing that another disaffected madman has run up their flag and committed some act in their name. These have always occurred, whatever colour flag the madman hoists, from time immemorial. They are also a lot less easy to predict. | |||
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"It was only a matter of time
What was only a matter of time?
The Met estimate that there were 9,000 stabbings in London last year..."Cos those are more gang related, this one is more serious it seems, the mayor came home from his holiday to hold a speech today. | |||
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"It was only a matter of time
What was only a matter of time?
The Met estimate that there were 9,000 stabbings in London last year...Cos those are more gang related, this one is more serious it seems, the mayor came home from his holiday to hold a speech today."So 9k (mostly BME) stabbings are less important than 5 white ones? | |||
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"It was only a matter of time
What was only a matter of time?
The Met estimate that there were 9,000 stabbings in London last year...Cos those are more gang related, this one is more serious it seems, the mayor came home from his holiday to hold a speech today.
So 9k (mostly BME) stabbings are less important than 5 white ones?"Not sure, but why is this covered so much and the mayor comes home? They say this could be ended differently. | |||
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"It was only a matter of time
What was only a matter of time?
The Met estimate that there were 9,000 stabbings in London last year...Cos those are more gang related, this one is more serious it seems, the mayor came home from his holiday to hold a speech today.
So 9k (mostly BME) stabbings are less important than 5 white ones?Not sure, but why is this covered so much and the mayor comes home? They say this could be ended differently."how many of the 9000 resulted in fatalities? This sounds as if it was an unprovoked attack rather than gang warfare so that might be why the Mayor came back. Also, this happened on the day that they police chief announced putting more police (i believe armed but dont quote me) on the streets to help make people feel safer. | |||
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"How come every time an act terrorism is carried out they tell it's someone with mental health issue's." but this wasnt an act of terrorism, that has been discounted. it is believed now to be the act of someone with mental health problems...the two have not been linked....quite the opposite | |||
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"They are blaming everything on terrorism lately. Or immigration. "  | |||
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"It was only a matter of time
What was only a matter of time?
The Met estimate that there were 9,000 stabbings in London last year..."A man is being stabbed every hour. And he's getting pretty fed up with it. | |||
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"How come every time an act terrorism is carried out they tell it's someone with mental health issue's." Maybe people with mental health issues are easier to manipulate into carrying out these crimes | |||
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"It was only a matter of time
What was only a matter of time?
The Met estimate that there were 9,000 stabbings in London last year...Cos those are more gang related, this one is more serious it seems, the mayor came home from his holiday to hold a speech today.
So 9k (mostly BME) stabbings are less important than 5 white ones?Not sure, but why is this covered so much and the mayor comes home? They say this could be ended differently.
how many of the 9000 resulted in fatalities?
This sounds as if it was an unprovoked attack rather than gang warfare so that might be why the Mayor came back.
Also, this happened on the day that they police chief announced putting more police (i believe armed but dont quote me) on the streets to help make people feel safer. ""The number of fatal stabbings in London in 2015 reached a tragic total of 15. So far in 2016 there have been 20 deaths from stabbing in the capital. The teenage victims in 2015 were all male, most were from black and minority ethnic (BME) backgrounds and many were just 17 or 18 years old. A boy of 15 and a 16-year-old are also among those whose lives were taken last year. The Metropolitan Police estimate as many as 9,000 stabbings per annum in London." Evening Standard. | |||
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"Sad fact is that people with certain mental illness conditions will see acts of terrorism and want to copy it, same as serial killers get fans and copy cat killings. To establish motive will require time, and the 24 hour live news world will make guesses until real motive is found." Correct. "After the break... more speculation." | |||
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"It was only a matter of time
What was only a matter of time?
The Met estimate that there were 9,000 stabbings in London last year...Cos those are more gang related, this one is more serious it seems, the mayor came home from his holiday to hold a speech today.
So 9k (mostly BME) stabbings are less important than 5 white ones?Not sure, but why is this covered so much and the mayor comes home? They say this could be ended differently.
how many of the 9000 resulted in fatalities?
This sounds as if it was an unprovoked attack rather than gang warfare so that might be why the Mayor came back.
Also, this happened on the day that they police chief announced putting more police (i believe armed but dont quote me) on the streets to help make people feel safer.
"The number of fatal stabbings in London in 2015 reached a tragic total of 15. So far in 2016 there have been 20 deaths from stabbing in the capital.
The teenage victims in 2015 were all male, most were from black and minority ethnic (BME) backgrounds and many were just 17 or 18 years old. A boy of 15 and a 16-year-old are also among those whose lives were taken last year.
The Metropolitan Police estimate as many as 9,000 stabbings per annum in London."
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"I suppose it begs the question. Why is a 19 year old Norwegian of Somali origin with mental health issues walking the streets of London?" Why shouldn't he be? Foreigners and people with mental health issues walk the streets of London and every other city every day | |||
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"I suppose it begs the question. Why is a 19 year old Norwegian of Somali origin with mental health issues walking the streets of London? Why shouldn't he be? Foreigners and people with mental health issues walk the streets of London and every other city every day" That they bloody well do :/ | |||
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"I suppose it begs the question. Why is a 19 year old Norwegian of Somali origin with mental health issues walking the streets of London? Why shouldn't he be? Foreigners and people with mental health issues walk the streets of London and every other city every day That they bloody well do :/" And why shouldn't they? | |||
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"I suppose it begs the question. Why is a 19 year old Norwegian of Somali origin with mental health issues walking the streets of London? Why shouldn't he be? Foreigners and people with mental health issues walk the streets of London and every other city every day That they bloody well do :/ And why shouldn't they?" That's more in exasperation than anything else. I know from experience as I have worked with foreign MH clients - from the pathologist from Harare who went a bit funny in the head, to Ukrainian psychotics to Albanian men with severe learning difficulties. These people walk among us every day. We only take notice of them when kill in someone else's name. "You ain't no Muslim, bruv." I've seen it. | |||
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"I suppose it begs the question. Why is a 19 year old Norwegian of Somali origin with mental health issues walking the streets of London? Why shouldn't he be? Foreigners and people with mental health issues walk the streets of London and every other city every day That they bloody well do :/ And why shouldn't they? " So you think it is right that anyone from anywhere with MH problems should be allowed into the country? Not only are they dangerous but are taking valuable NHS resources. | |||
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"I suppose it begs the question. Why is a 19 year old Norwegian of Somali origin with mental health issues walking the streets of London? Why shouldn't he be? Foreigners and people with mental health issues walk the streets of London and every other city every day That they bloody well do :/ And why shouldn't they? So you think it is right that anyone from anywhere with MH problems should be allowed into the country? Not only are they dangerous but are taking valuable NHS resources. " I judge people as individuals I don't throw everybody with mental health issues into the same pot because there are many different form of mental health problems and not everybody is dangerous As for taking up NHS resources, I work for the NHS and its my job to treat everybody the same regardless of their background | |||
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"How come every time an act terrorism is carried out they tell it's someone with mental health issue's." I think you'll find that's not true. Mental health problems is the default setting if the perpetrator is white. | |||
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"I suppose it begs the question. Why is a 19 year old Norwegian of Somali origin with mental health issues walking the streets of London? Why shouldn't he be? Foreigners and people with mental health issues walk the streets of London and every other city every day That they bloody well do :/ And why shouldn't they? So you think it is right that anyone from anywhere with MH problems should be allowed into the country? Not only are they dangerous but are taking valuable NHS resources. I judge people as individuals I don't throw everybody with mental health issues into the same pot because there are many different form of mental health problems and not everybody is dangerous As for taking up NHS resources, I work for the NHS and its my job to treat everybody the same regardless of their background " And send the bill to Norway of course. | |||
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"I dont think calling someone who has mental health issues ... A LOONY .... is nice .... lots of people suffer with mental health issues at some point in their lives .....this does not mean you will go out and kill someone ... " Indeed. Plus the huge erosion of mental health services mean a lot of people aren't getting the care and support they need. Many people who wouldn't be remotely dangerous with the right care are being left to fend for themselves. It's not surprising that some of them snap. It's really not their fault. | |||
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"I suppose it begs the question. Why is a 19 year old Norwegian of Somali origin with mental health issues walking the streets of London? Why shouldn't he be? Foreigners and people with mental health issues walk the streets of London and every other city every day That they bloody well do :/ And why shouldn't they? So you think it is right that anyone from anywhere with MH problems should be allowed into the country? Not only are they dangerous but are taking valuable NHS resources. " I have mental health issues. The only person I am a danger to is myself. It's 2016, not 1816. Stigmatising all people with mental health issues is very uncool. One in four, or one in three, depending on whose statistics you take, people will suffer from mental health problems at some point in their lives. Very few will be a danger to anyone else. Further, since mental ill health can develop at any time, regardless of background or history, preventing those people from entering the country would be impossible, as well as highly descriminatory. I can't believe in this day and age anyone would even suggest it. | |||
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"How come every time an act terrorism is carried out they tell it's someone with mental health issue's. I think you'll find that's not true. Mental health problems is the default setting if the perpetrator is white." Often but we don't know the skin colour of the perpetrator in this case yet, do we? | |||
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"How come every time an act terrorism is carried out they tell it's someone with mental health issue's. I think you'll find that's not true. Mental health problems is the default setting if the perpetrator is white. Often but we don't know the skin colour of the perpetrator in this case yet, do we?" He's said to be of Somali origin so I'm guessing he's black Personally I don't see how his colour matters a killer is a killer, would the crime have been any less had he been white British? | |||
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"How come every time an act terrorism is carried out they tell it's someone with mental health issue's. I think you'll find that's not true. Mental health problems is the default setting if the perpetrator is white. Often but we don't know the skin colour of the perpetrator in this case yet, do we? He's said to be of Somali origin so I'm guessing he's black Personally I don't see how his colour matters a killer is a killer, would the crime have been any less had he been white British?" I would guess that too but won't assume. No, to me the crime is equally bad. Colour was mentioned though because Miss_tress was saying when a white person does something violent like this, the default line is often mental health problems, whereas when a black person is the perpetrator, the first things mentioned are likely terrorism, gangs, drugs etc rather than mental ill health. It was a general comment, not specific to this case. | |||
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"I suppose it begs the question. Why is a 19 year old Norwegian of Somali origin with mental health issues walking the streets of London? Why shouldn't he be? Foreigners and people with mental health issues walk the streets of London and every other city every day That they bloody well do :/ And why shouldn't they? So you think it is right that anyone from anywhere with MH problems should be allowed into the country? Not only are they dangerous but are taking valuable NHS resources. I have mental health issues. The only person I am a danger to is myself. It's 2016, not 1816. Stigmatising all people with mental health issues is very uncool. One in four, or one in three, depending on whose statistics you take, people will suffer from mental health problems at some point in their lives. Very few will be a danger to anyone else. Further, since mental ill health can develop at any time, regardless of background or history, preventing those people from entering the country would be impossible, as well as highly descriminatory. I can't believe in this day and age anyone would even suggest it." So when your relative is denied a cataract operation or life saving cancer drugs because the resources have been swallowed up by Norwegian health tourists. Or your relative gets knifed by someone who should be safely locked away in a Norwegian institution I wont mention it then. The NHS cannot be the IHS and national safety and security should trump everything. I don't suggest it. I DEMAND it. | |||
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"I suppose it begs the question. Why is a 19 year old Norwegian of Somali origin with mental health issues walking the streets of London? Why shouldn't he be? Foreigners and people with mental health issues walk the streets of London and every other city every day That they bloody well do :/ And why shouldn't they? So you think it is right that anyone from anywhere with MH problems should be allowed into the country? Not only are they dangerous but are taking valuable NHS resources. I have mental health issues. The only person I am a danger to is myself. It's 2016, not 1816. Stigmatising all people with mental health issues is very uncool. One in four, or one in three, depending on whose statistics you take, people will suffer from mental health problems at some point in their lives. Very few will be a danger to anyone else. Further, since mental ill health can develop at any time, regardless of background or history, preventing those people from entering the country would be impossible, as well as highly descriminatory. I can't believe in this day and age anyone would even suggest it. So when your relative is denied a cataract operation or life saving cancer drugs because the resources have been swallowed up by Norwegian health tourists. Or your relative gets knifed by someone who should be safely locked away in a Norwegian institution I wont mention it then. The NHS cannot be the IHS and national safety and security should trump everything. I don't suggest it. I DEMAND it." How on earth have you concluded this guy is a health tourist?
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"Im bewildred at the amount of times it gets mentioned in here" Maybe it's the frequency of occurrences and the magnitude of the ensuing body count. Just a wild guess | |||
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"I'm impressed with how quickly Scotland Yard were able to diagnose him with "mental problems". The NHS usually takes months to come to that decision, but our wonderful police were able to do it in seconds. Amazing, Holmes "Must've been the way he looked  | |||
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"This forum will clearly open up a can of worms. How about the saying ' one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'. It was from memory Pipe Urban in the 11th Century who issued a decree that promised if you go to the Holy Land and kill Muslims you will go straight to heaven. So arguably the first terrorists are what are commonly referred to as Crusaders " | |||
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"This forum will clearly open up a can of worms. How about the saying ' one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'. It was from memory Pipe Urban in the 11th Century who issued a decree that promised if you go to the Holy Land and kill Muslims you will go straight to heaven. So arguably the first terrorists are what are commonly referred to as Crusaders " The first documented terrorists maybe. If it is terrorism. War and genocide sometimes involve terrorism but aren't necessarily terrorism. I'm sure humans have been doing violent and unpleasant things to each other for far longer than that anyway. | |||
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"How come every time an act terrorism is carried out they tell it's someone with mental health issue's. I think you'll find that's not true. Mental health problems is the default setting if the perpetrator is white." Exactly this | |||
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"I suppose it begs the question. Why is a 19 year old Norwegian of Somali origin with mental health issues walking the streets of London? Why shouldn't he be? Foreigners and people with mental health issues walk the streets of London and every other city every day That they bloody well do :/ And why shouldn't they? So you think it is right that anyone from anywhere with MH problems should be allowed into the country? Not only are they dangerous but are taking valuable NHS resources. I judge people as individuals I don't throw everybody with mental health issues into the same pot because there are many different form of mental health problems and not everybody is dangerous As for taking up NHS resources, I work for the NHS and its my job to treat everybody the same regardless of their background And send the bill to Norway of course." He and his family have lived in the UK since 2002.... | |||
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"How come every time an act terrorism is carried out they tell it's someone with mental health issue's. I think you'll find that's not true. Mental health problems is the default setting if the perpetrator is white. Exactly this " So, like I said, what is the colour of the perpetrator's skin in this case? It's sometimes this, but not always. | |||
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"This forum will clearly open up a can of worms. How about the saying ' one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'. It was from memory Pipe Urban in the 11th Century who issued a decree that promised if you go to the Holy Land and kill Muslims you will go straight to heaven. So arguably the first terrorists are what are commonly referred to as Crusaders The first documented terrorists maybe. If it is terrorism. War and genocide sometimes involve terrorism but aren't necessarily terrorism. I'm sure humans have been doing violent and unpleasant things to each other for far longer than that anyway." Humans have been doing terrible things to each other for millennia: Tacitus: "They create a wasteland and call it peace." We're a rather messy species. Any excuse. | |||
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"This forum will clearly open up a can of worms. How about the saying ' one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'. It was from memory Pipe Urban in the 11th Century who issued a decree that promised if you go to the Holy Land and kill Muslims you will go straight to heaven. So arguably the first terrorists are what are commonly referred to as Crusaders The first documented terrorists maybe. If it is terrorism. War and genocide sometimes involve terrorism but aren't necessarily terrorism. I'm sure humans have been doing violent and unpleasant things to each other for far longer than that anyway. Humans have been doing terrible things to each other for millennia: Tacitus: "They create a wasteland and call it peace." We're a rather messy species. Any excuse." Messy in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. There's good messy and bad messy.  | |||
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"This forum will clearly open up a can of worms. How about the saying ' one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'. It was from memory Pipe Urban in the 11th Century who issued a decree that promised if you go to the Holy Land and kill Muslims you will go straight to heaven. So arguably the first terrorists are what are commonly referred to as Crusaders The first documented terrorists maybe. If it is terrorism. War and genocide sometimes involve terrorism but aren't necessarily terrorism. I'm sure humans have been doing violent and unpleasant things to each other for far longer than that anyway. Humans have been doing terrible things to each other for millennia: Tacitus: "They create a wasteland and call it peace." We're a rather messy species. Any excuse. Messy in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. There's good messy and bad messy. "Evolution rather than revolution is the way forwards, based on history, I'd say | |||
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"This forum will clearly open up a can of worms. How about the saying ' one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'. It was from memory Pipe Urban in the 11th Century who issued a decree that promised if you go to the Holy Land and kill Muslims you will go straight to heaven. So arguably the first terrorists are what are commonly referred to as Crusaders The first documented terrorists maybe. If it is terrorism. War and genocide sometimes involve terrorism but aren't necessarily terrorism. I'm sure humans have been doing violent and unpleasant things to each other for far longer than that anyway. Humans have been doing terrible things to each other for millennia: Tacitus: "They create a wasteland and call it peace." We're a rather messy species. Any excuse. Messy in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. There's good messy and bad messy.
Evolution rather than revolution is the way forwards, based on history, I'd say "I'd say if we're going to be messy anyway, a large paddling pool of chocolate mousse would be a good start. | |||
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"We're a rather messy species. Any excuse. Messy in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. There's good messy and bad messy.
Evolution rather than revolution is the way forwards, based on history, I'd say
I'd say if we're going to be messy anyway, a large paddling pool of chocolate mousse would be a good start."Tasty too. [APPROVED] | |||
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"I suppose it begs the question. Why is a 19 year old Norwegian of Somali origin with mental health issues walking the streets of London? Why shouldn't he be? Foreigners and people with mental health issues walk the streets of London and every other city every day That they bloody well do :/ And why shouldn't they? So you think it is right that anyone from anywhere with MH problems should be allowed into the country? Not only are they dangerous but are taking valuable NHS resources. " Ofcourse they should be. Just as foreigner with Tuberculosis should be allowed to walk about freely anywhere in Europe. It is their right under the European Hum ........... oh | |||
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"He and his family have lived in the UK since 2002...." An actual fact emerges into the debate, so does the prospect that this Norwegian man has lived in the UK since he was 5 years old change any of the health tourist / immigrant rants above? | |||
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"How come every time an act terrorism is carried out they tell it's someone with mental health issue's. I think you'll find that's not true. Mental health problems is the default setting if the perpetrator is white. Exactly this So, like I said, what is the colour of the perpetrator's skin in this case? It's sometimes this, but not always." I think the point being made is when it's not a caucasian it's related to BLM or more frequently terrorism, when it is, the term 'lone wolf' or mental health comes into the fray. Sexual attacks across Europe are often attached to immigrants and Muslims rightly or wrongly are associated to grooming in the UK yet there is usually a non Arab involved in such incidents but propaganda won't allow these points to be highlighted. Essentially skin colour has nothing to do with it but without fair reporting, the media make it a colour thing. | |||
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"I'm impressed with how quickly Scotland Yard were able to diagnose him with "mental problems". The NHS usually takes months to come to that decision, but our wonderful police were able to do it in seconds. Amazing, Holmes "or quite simply that he was on the pnc, due to previous issue's.. technology huh.. | |||
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"How come every time an act terrorism is carried out they tell it's someone with mental health issue's. I think you'll find that's not true. Mental health problems is the default setting if the perpetrator is white. Exactly this So, like I said, what is the colour of the perpetrator's skin in this case? It's sometimes this, but not always. I think the point being made is when it's not a caucasian it's related to BLM or more frequently terrorism, when it is, the term 'lone wolf' or mental health comes into the fray. Sexual attacks across Europe are often attached to immigrants and Muslims rightly or wrongly are associated to grooming in the UK yet there is usually a non Arab involved in such incidents but propaganda won't allow these points to be highlighted. Essentially skin colour has nothing to do with it but without fair reporting, the media make it a colour thing. " Yes, I realise that but in this case where mental health was mentioned before skin colour, the theory falls down, so it's not always true. Often, certainly, but not always. The media haven't, as far as I've seen, made this a colour thing so far. Terrorism was also publicly ruled out very early on. | |||
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"How come every time an act terrorism is carried out they tell it's someone with mental health issue's. I think you'll find that's not true. Mental health problems is the default setting if the perpetrator is white. Exactly this So, like I said, what is the colour of the perpetrator's skin in this case? It's sometimes this, but not always. I think the point being made is when it's not a caucasian it's related to BLM or more frequently terrorism, when it is, the term 'lone wolf' or mental health comes into the fray. Sexual attacks across Europe are often attached to immigrants and Muslims rightly or wrongly are associated to grooming in the UK yet there is usually a non Arab involved in such incidents but propaganda won't allow these points to be highlighted. Essentially skin colour has nothing to do with it but without fair reporting, the media make it a colour thing. Yes, I realise that but in this case where mental health was mentioned before skin colour, the theory falls down, so it's not always true. Often, certainly, but not always. The media haven't, as far as I've seen, made this a colour thing so far. Terrorism was also publicly ruled out very early on." I think we're on the same page as I fully agree with your views on this but as a man who is always on the lookout for racism I see the latent racist sentiments deployed and the people who use this as a means to justify their misinformed opinions. Originally I just requoted what someone else said if I remember correctly. | |||
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"How come every time an act terrorism is carried out they tell it's someone with mental health issue's. I think you'll find that's not true. Mental health problems is the default setting if the perpetrator is white. Exactly this So, like I said, what is the colour of the perpetrator's skin in this case? It's sometimes this, but not always. I think the point being made is when it's not a caucasian it's related to BLM or more frequently terrorism, when it is, the term 'lone wolf' or mental health comes into the fray. Sexual attacks across Europe are often attached to immigrants and Muslims rightly or wrongly are associated to grooming in the UK yet there is usually a non Arab involved in such incidents but propaganda won't allow these points to be highlighted. Essentially skin colour has nothing to do with it but without fair reporting, the media make it a colour thing. Yes, I realise that but in this case where mental health was mentioned before skin colour, the theory falls down, so it's not always true. Often, certainly, but not always. The media haven't, as far as I've seen, made this a colour thing so far. Terrorism was also publicly ruled out very early on. I think we're on the same page as I fully agree with your views on this but as a man who is always on the lookout for racism I see the latent racist sentiments deployed and the people who use this as a means to justify their misinformed opinions. Originally I just requoted what someone else said if I remember correctly. "And said "exactly this", which is what I was responding to. I totally agree that how these things are handled is usually very, very racist. The automatic assumption that any violent act by a non-white person is terrorism/gang/criminal/drug related annoys the shit out of me. | |||
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"How come every time an act terrorism is carried out they tell it's someone with mental health issue's. I think you'll find that's not true. Mental health problems is the default setting if the perpetrator is white. Often but we don't know the skin colour of the perpetrator in this case yet, do we? He's said to be of Somali origin so I'm guessing he's black Personally I don't see how his colour matters a killer is a killer, would the crime have been any less had he been white British?" . After the break...#more speculation | |||
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" Sexual attacks across Europe are often attached to immigrants and Muslims rightly or wrongly are associated to grooming in the UK yet there is usually a non Arab involved in such incidents but propaganda won't allow these points to be highlighted. " . That's a bit racist! You do know most Muslims arent Arabs don't yer? | |||
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