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"Sadly you might be right Dan. How can it be changed? " I don't think it can. Pandora's box has been opened | |||
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"Sadly you might be right Dan. How can it be changed? I don't think it can. Pandora's box has been opened " I wish I could disagree with you. | |||
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"Well I was on that road on the beach 2 weeks ago along with other members of the football family both England,Icelandic as well as other nations You can clearly see that the bastard sped up to kill innocents. From the reports the French police shot him - they had to!!!! The image of someone most likely a young girl with a body bag over her, but still holding on to her doll is distressing, haunting but it shows that these arseholes have no respect for human life!!!! My thought go out to the people and nice, and France as a whole " Well said. I wont use an emo because I'm not sure which one. Thumb? Sad? shock? confused? Maybe all of them. This time last week we were in the south of France (although not Nice) and having a wonderful time. I now think about all the people who went out last night to celebrate France's national day anticipating a spectacular firework display. Husbands, wives, and kids all with happy smiling faces, one minute gazing in wonderment at the display, the next mown down by a maniac. At least 80 of them are now dead, dozens more will have life changing injury's, hundreds (if not thousands) will live with the horror for the rest of their lives. A very sad day indeed. | |||
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"Sadly you might be right Dan. How can it be changed? I don't think it can. Pandora's box has been opened I wish I could disagree with you. " Ditto. | |||
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"Those bastards is why I joined the British army as a youth.. Now I'm too old and shagged out to fight, but I still do my bit making sure our soldiers have quality and working kit. Every time i see another event like this, my faith in humanity dwindles just a little more. I have only one word.. Sickened "  | |||
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"It may sound awful but if the media didn't report it then maybe it would stop. Majority are only doing it for the publicity. Just a thought " The murder of 84 (and counting..) innocents out hoping to have a fun family evening watching fireworks and expecting the media not to report it?   | |||
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"It may sound awful but if the media didn't report it then maybe it would stop. Majority are only doing it for the publicity. Just a thought " I don't think it would make any difference. Events in the Middle East are reported less , they still happen. | |||
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"François Hollande: "The whole of France is under threat from Islamic terrorism". Will he launch another Middle Eastern bombing campaign? Or will he deport public supporters of sharia? " Public supporters of Sharia Law and ISIS sympathisers in Western countries should be rounded up and airdropped into the dark ages, also known as the Middle East. Of course this should be without parachutes, Allah will save those for which he has a greater plan... But I'm thinking it's not going to be that many. It disturbs me how little will there appears to be from moderate Muslim to publicly condemn terrible acts of inhumanity. Radicalisation can only be prevented within the Muslim community | |||
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"My thoughts are with the victims of this heinous crime. Sadly the gates of hell have been opened for a while now and once opened they're very difficult to close so I really don't think much can be done. Expect atrocities like this (and worse) frequently and for a long time to come yet" Ironic that those coming from hell seem to believe that their actions will gain them a privileged place in heaven. | |||
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"It's awful and he knew he would kill and injure children. That's what makes it sicker. I'm beyond words today. Sarah " "How these bastards think it's OK to do this shit to innocent people sickens me. " "Me too. What sort of twisted mind and twisted theology thinks that killing innocent people and especially kids is somehow in God's name? " So ww2 bomber comand, we built them a monument. And we used to send 1,000+ bombers at a time to cites. Would you say those raf service men deliberatley killing civilians where sick or brave heros? When it comes down to it who's innocent, who's evil and who's a hero is all a matter of perspective. | |||
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"Bombing is ineffectual and inefficient.. And in Russias case, indiscriminate!!! A Hellfire or brimstone missile runs at around £250k. Guided bombs slightly less. A single bomb may kill 3 or so, so limited impact for a large cost.. It's PR, here you go people, we are doing our bit against them.. Bullshit!! Unfortunately, ground troops is the only way to deal with Isil. Until feet are put on the ground,this group will just keep on. It seems, following Afghanistan, the leaders of the European countries don't want to fund another war of attrition against a rag tag group of fundamentalists and extremists. How many more attacks on home soils will it take before the leaders of the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, Sweden, Belgium and the Netherlands say enough is enough and cut the head from this beast?? " This man was born in paris, how would invading the middle east have stopped him? It's akin to saying we should invade italy and the vatican city to fight the IRA | |||
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"It's awful and he knew he would kill and injure children. That's what makes it sicker. I'm beyond words today. Sarah How these bastards think it's OK to do this shit to innocent people sickens me. Me too. What sort of twisted mind and twisted theology thinks that killing innocent people and especially kids is somehow in God's name? So ww2 bomber comand, we built them a monument. And we used to send 1,000+ bombers at a time to cites. Would you say those raf service men deliberatley killing civilians where sick or brave heros? When it comes down to it who's innocent, who's evil and who's a hero is all a matter of perspective." The raf did not deliberately kill civilians, it's clear your against war of any type but those raf service personnel give you the freedom to live the way you want in this country. If you don't like what our forces personnel do for our country go live in a place with civil unrest like Syria etc. Those people deliberately target innocent people and let's not forget last nights attack killed innocent children too, even themself's target childrenin there own countries. They teach children to murder and fight and kill people it's very different. And let's not forget women also radicalised fight for 'there' cause what ever that maybe. | |||
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"Bombing is ineffectual and inefficient.. And in Russias case, indiscriminate!!! A Hellfire or brimstone missile runs at around £250k. Guided bombs slightly less. A single bomb may kill 3 or so, so limited impact for a large cost.. It's PR, here you go people, we are doing our bit against them.. Bullshit!! Unfortunately, ground troops is the only way to deal with Isil. Until feet are put on the ground,this group will just keep on. It seems, following Afghanistan, the leaders of the European countries don't want to fund another war of attrition against a rag tag group of fundamentalists and extremists. How many more attacks on home soils will it take before the leaders of the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, Sweden, Belgium and the Netherlands say enough is enough and cut the head from this beast?? This man was born in paris, how would invading the middle east have stopped him? It's akin to saying we should invade italy and the vatican city to fight the IRA" Please look at the news today I've just see an image that's broken me a gentleman sat crossed legged holding the hand of a loved one who's blatantly been killed. The next image a person covered with a doll next to them, possibly the mother or father of a child who was killed. How can you even try to justify these images by saying its collateral damage. | |||
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"Bombing is ineffectual and inefficient.. And in Russias case, indiscriminate!!! A Hellfire or brimstone missile runs at around £250k. Guided bombs slightly less. A single bomb may kill 3 or so, so limited impact for a large cost.. It's PR, here you go people, we are doing our bit against them.. Bullshit!! Unfortunately, ground troops is the only way to deal with Isil. Until feet are put on the ground,this group will just keep on. It seems, following Afghanistan, the leaders of the European countries don't want to fund another war of attrition against a rag tag group of fundamentalists and extremists. How many more attacks on home soils will it take before the leaders of the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, Sweden, Belgium and the Netherlands say enough is enough and cut the head from this beast?? This man was born in paris, how would invading the middle east have stopped him? " According to Sky news he was born in Tunisia. | |||
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"Bombing is ineffectual and inefficient.. And in Russias case, indiscriminate!!! A Hellfire or brimstone missile runs at around £250k. Guided bombs slightly less. A single bomb may kill 3 or so, so limited impact for a large cost.. It's PR, here you go people, we are doing our bit against them.. Bullshit!! Unfortunately, ground troops is the only way to deal with Isil. Until feet are put on the ground,this group will just keep on. It seems, following Afghanistan, the leaders of the European countries don't want to fund another war of attrition against a rag tag group of fundamentalists and extremists. How many more attacks on home soils will it take before the leaders of the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, Sweden, Belgium and the Netherlands say enough is enough and cut the head from this beast?? This man was born in paris, how would invading the middle east have stopped him? It's akin to saying we should invade italy and the vatican city to fight the IRA Please look at the news today I've just see an image that's broken me a gentleman sat crossed legged holding the hand of a loved one who's blatantly been killed. The next image a person covered with a doll next to them, possibly the mother or father of a child who was killed. How can you even try to justify these images by saying its collateral damage. " I don't think anyone's trying to justify anything are they?, merely giving the incident the perspective it needs | |||
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"Sadly you might be right Dan. How can it be changed? I don't think it can. Pandora's box has been opened " . Nonsense, all they want is you to convert to Islam and commit to sharia law!. Those objecting are to fear Gods wrath, that goes for Muslims, Christians, Jews and atheists!. For once we actually are all in this together! | |||
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"It's awful and he knew he would kill and injure children. That's what makes it sicker. I'm beyond words today. Sarah How these bastards think it's OK to do this shit to innocent people sickens me. Me too. What sort of twisted mind and twisted theology thinks that killing innocent people and especially kids is somehow in God's name? So ww2 bomber comand, we built them a monument. And we used to send 1,000+ bombers at a time to cites. Would you say those raf service men deliberatley killing civilians where sick or brave heros? When it comes down to it who's innocent, who's evil and who's a hero is all a matter of perspective. The raf did not deliberately kill civilians, it's clear your against war of any type but those raf service personnel give you the freedom to live the way you want in this country. If you don't like what our forces personnel do for our country go live in a place with civil unrest like Syria etc. Those people deliberately target innocent people and let's not forget last nights attack killed innocent children too, even themself's target childrenin there own countries. They teach children to murder and fight and kill people it's very different. And let's not forget women also radicalised fight for 'there' cause what ever that maybe. " Hamburg?, Dresden? | |||
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"It's awful and he knew he would kill and injure children. That's what makes it sicker. I'm beyond words today. Sarah How these bastards think it's OK to do this shit to innocent people sickens me. Me too. What sort of twisted mind and twisted theology thinks that killing innocent people and especially kids is somehow in God's name? So ww2 bomber comand, we built them a monument. And we used to send 1,000+ bombers at a time to cites. Would you say those raf service men deliberatley killing civilians where sick or brave heros? When it comes down to it who's innocent, who's evil and who's a hero is all a matter of perspective. The raf did not deliberately kill civilians, it's clear your against war of any type but those raf service personnel give you the freedom to live the way you want in this country. If you don't like what our forces personnel do for our country go live in a place with civil unrest like Syria etc. Those people deliberately target innocent people and let's not forget last nights attack killed innocent children too, even themself's target childrenin there own countries. They teach children to murder and fight and kill people it's very different. And let's not forget women also radicalised fight for 'there' cause what ever that maybe. Hamburg?, Dresden?" . It's actually a pretty good analogy. Isis are basically a theocratic totalitarian dictatorship!! There really not that different to Nazis. Most people, be they Jewish, Christan or Muslim hold freedom as you might say, a God given right. Were fighting a campaign against folks who wish that to be gone... The only difference is these folks don't have a state to declare war against | |||
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"Bombing is ineffectual and inefficient.. And in Russias case, indiscriminate!!! A Hellfire or brimstone missile runs at around £250k. Guided bombs slightly less. A single bomb may kill 3 or so, so limited impact for a large cost.. It's PR, here you go people, we are doing our bit against them.. Bullshit!! Unfortunately, ground troops is the only way to deal with Isil. Until feet are put on the ground,this group will just keep on. It seems, following Afghanistan, the leaders of the European countries don't want to fund another war of attrition against a rag tag group of fundamentalists and extremists. How many more attacks on home soils will it take before the leaders of the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, Sweden, Belgium and the Netherlands say enough is enough and cut the head from this beast?? " I hate that saying "boots on the ground" there's people filling those boots. Although air strikes aren't the most effective way, unmanned drone strikes are the safest way I think. Why should we expect our army to go in to face these people and fight them when our armies can't even fart without permission. Their opposition don't have rules to abide by, they don't wear uniform, they could be women or children or even a baby with explosives strapped to it. Imagine how much money would be spent on treating PTSD because a soldier had to shoot a small child or a baby that's without all the normal side effects from war. If these fuckers keep doing terrorist attacks in all these other countries BECAUSE of the air strikes and everything going on in their country just pull everyone out, let them ruin their own country why should it be our business? | |||
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"Bombing is ineffectual and inefficient.. And in Russias case, indiscriminate!!! A Hellfire or brimstone missile runs at around £250k. Guided bombs slightly less. A single bomb may kill 3 or so, so limited impact for a large cost.. It's PR, here you go people, we are doing our bit against them.. Bullshit!! Unfortunately, ground troops is the only way to deal with Isil. Until feet are put on the ground,this group will just keep on. It seems, following Afghanistan, the leaders of the European countries don't want to fund another war of attrition against a rag tag group of fundamentalists and extremists. How many more attacks on home soils will it take before the leaders of the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, Sweden, Belgium and the Netherlands say enough is enough and cut the head from this beast?? This man was born in paris, how would invading the middle east have stopped him? It's akin to saying we should invade italy and the vatican city to fight the IRA Please look at the news today I've just see an image that's broken me a gentleman sat crossed legged holding the hand of a loved one who's blatantly been killed. The next image a person covered with a doll next to them, possibly the mother or father of a child who was killed. How can you even try to justify these images by saying its collateral damage. I don't think anyone's trying to justify anything are they?, merely giving the incident the perspective it needs" What like you did last night with your sick joke???. | |||
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"Bombing is ineffectual and inefficient.. And in Russias case, indiscriminate!!! A Hellfire or brimstone missile runs at around £250k. Guided bombs slightly less. A single bomb may kill 3 or so, so limited impact for a large cost.. It's PR, here you go people, we are doing our bit against them.. Bullshit!! Unfortunately, ground troops is the only way to deal with Isil. Until feet are put on the ground,this group will just keep on. It seems, following Afghanistan, the leaders of the European countries don't want to fund another war of attrition against a rag tag group of fundamentalists and extremists. How many more attacks on home soils will it take before the leaders of the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, Sweden, Belgium and the Netherlands say enough is enough and cut the head from this beast?? This man was born in paris, how would invading the middle east have stopped him? It's akin to saying we should invade italy and the vatican city to fight the IRA" Destroy the cause, you destroy the need to fight for it. Don't get me wrong, if he isn't ploughing a stolen truck into a group of innocent victims, he would be in a gang, stabbing people on the streets.. Which is the lesser of two evils??? As for the IRA, don't confuse them with religious fanatics, ultimately,they were a front for gun running, drugs and prostitution..just give it a political cause and it makes it seem ok. | |||
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"I understand your point Teabags but do you honestly believe that pulling out of the area will stop this type of thing? I'm sure in my mind that it will not. That doesn't mean that I have the answer sadly. I'm not sure there is an answer." My thing is what do the extremists keep asking for, lee rigbys killers, or any time ISIS make one of the propaganda videos, they all say that they want the air strikes to stop and for all these attacking countries to leave. Alright yeah they are murdering millions of their own people but why is that our business how does that affect us directly, it's because they've got something in their countries that we (and other countries) want, oil probably. Air strike aren't working maybe we should say alright we'll fuck off and just see if things stop happening. | |||
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"... Alright yeah they are murdering millions of their own people but why is that our business how does that affect us directly... " For the benefit of those who missed it earlier... . I don't want to get into a debate about this but you can't deny that the West's foreign policy interventions in the Middle East - from Israel in the 40s, Iran in the 50s, Cold War play between Egypt and Syria in the 60s, pursuit of oil and support for dictators in the 70s, Iranian revolution & Iran/Iraq war in the 80s, Gulf War I in the 90s.... and so-on... It culminated in the WTC attacks, and then the botched interventions/invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq in the 00s. We're still fucking about with them - watch how support for the 'Arab Spring' faded when Western g'ments thought, Oh, we might end up with Islamists in power! to the failed state that is now Libya, the war in Yemen... not even mentioning the Syrian civil war. It makes me weep what we have done. It doesn't surprise me that some people are very, very angry about it. Look at the number of civilians Western/Nato or for that matter Russian forces have accidentally blown up in pursuit of their goals. 308 dead in a single bomb blast 2 wks ago in Baghdad - didn't make a ripple here. It's almost like we don;t care. I'm not excusing it - I'm saying bad feeling is understandable. And the reason Islam has come to the fore is because the West has consistently crushed Pan-Arab or democratic movements in the Middle East. Political Islam is now seen by many as the solution to these problems. It's too simplistic to say Islam v Christianity. It's merely an obvious difference. It's far more nuanced and we've been screwing about with the populations of the M East since Imperial times. I would also argue that just because some jihaddi kills in the name of his god - he is no more representative of that religion than Rev Jim Jones was of Christianity. It's fucked up. And this country has played a substantial part in fucking it up for over 100 years. . http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ian-hislop-question-time-chilcot-report-baghdad-bombing-250-dead-watch-video-a7126796.html | |||
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"... Alright yeah they are murdering millions of their own people but why is that our business how does that affect us directly... For the benefit of those who missed it earlier... . I don't want to get into a debate about this but you can't deny that the West's foreign policy interventions in the Middle East - from Israel in the 40s, Iran in the 50s, Cold War play between Egypt and Syria in the 60s, pursuit of oil and support for dictators in the 70s, Iranian revolution & Iran/Iraq war in the 80s, Gulf War I in the 90s.... and so-on... It culminated in the WTC attacks, and then the botched interventions/invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq in the 00s. We're still fucking about with them - watch how support for the 'Arab Spring' faded when Western g'ments thought, Oh, we might end up with Islamists in power! to the failed state that is now Libya, the war in Yemen... not even mentioning the Syrian civil war. It makes me weep what we have done. It doesn't surprise me that some people are very, very angry about it. Look at the number of civilians Western/Nato or for that matter Russian forces have accidentally blown up in pursuit of their goals. 308 dead in a single bomb blast 2 wks ago in Baghdad - didn't make a ripple here. It's almost like we don;t care. I'm not excusing it - I'm saying bad feeling is understandable. And the reason Islam has come to the fore is because the West has consistently crushed Pan-Arab or democratic movements in the Middle East. Political Islam is now seen by many as the solution to these problems. It's too simplistic to say Islam v Christianity. It's merely an obvious difference. It's far more nuanced and we've been screwing about with the populations of the M East since Imperial times. I would also argue that just because some jihaddi kills in the name of his god - he is no more representative of that religion than Rev Jim Jones was of Christianity. It's fucked up. And this country has played a substantial part in fucking it up for over 100 years. . http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ian-hislop-question-time-chilcot-report-baghdad-bombing-250-dead-watch-video-a7126796.html " Spot on
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"... Alright yeah they are murdering millions of their own people but why is that our business how does that affect us directly... For the benefit of those who missed it earlier... . I don't want to get into a debate about this but you can't deny that the West's foreign policy interventions in the Middle East - from Israel in the 40s, Iran in the 50s, Cold War play between Egypt and Syria in the 60s, pursuit of oil and support for dictators in the 70s, Iranian revolution & Iran/Iraq war in the 80s, Gulf War I in the 90s.... and so-on... It culminated in the WTC attacks, and then the botched interventions/invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq in the 00s. We're still fucking about with them - watch how support for the 'Arab Spring' faded when Western g'ments thought, Oh, we might end up with Islamists in power! to the failed state that is now Libya, the war in Yemen... not even mentioning the Syrian civil war. It makes me weep what we have done. It doesn't surprise me that some people are very, very angry about it. Look at the number of civilians Western/Nato or for that matter Russian forces have accidentally blown up in pursuit of their goals. 308 dead in a single bomb blast 2 wks ago in Baghdad - didn't make a ripple here. It's almost like we don;t care. I'm not excusing it - I'm saying bad feeling is understandable. And the reason Islam has come to the fore is because the West has consistently crushed Pan-Arab or democratic movements in the Middle East. Political Islam is now seen by many as the solution to these problems. It's too simplistic to say Islam v Christianity. It's merely an obvious difference. It's far more nuanced and we've been screwing about with the populations of the M East since Imperial times. I would also argue that just because some jihaddi kills in the name of his god - he is no more representative of that religion than Rev Jim Jones was of Christianity. It's fucked up. And this country has played a substantial part in fucking it up for over 100 years. . http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ian-hislop-question-time-chilcot-report-baghdad-bombing-250-dead-watch-video-a7126796.html " So what's the solution then? | |||
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"It's brewing, something is gonna happen in the UK soon, France can't keep having it. Our security services are stopping loads of things but something's gonna happen here. " something has already happened here, maybe under a different name but a similar ideology... The London bombings were conducted by a small group of fanatics from Luton, an hour outside of the city. Ring any bells!!!!! The people travelling to Syria and Iraq to join Isil come from Europe too.. From the UK. They are Murdering innocent people in Syria and Iraq. An iraqi on the news yesterday said how they killed his mother in front of him and took his wife and daughters to rape them.. They are not fighting a cause, they are criminals and their actions need to be punished.. Come on, wake up and smell the coffee. | |||
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"Bombing is ineffectual and inefficient.. And in Russias case, indiscriminate!!! A Hellfire or brimstone missile runs at around £250k. Guided bombs slightly less. A single bomb may kill 3 or so, so limited impact for a large cost.. It's PR, here you go people, we are doing our bit against them.. Bullshit!! Unfortunately, ground troops is the only way to deal with Isil. Until feet are put on the ground,this group will just keep on. It seems, following Afghanistan, the leaders of the European countries don't want to fund another war of attrition against a rag tag group of fundamentalists and extremists. How many more attacks on home soils will it take before the leaders of the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, Sweden, Belgium and the Netherlands say enough is enough and cut the head from this beast?? This man was born in paris, how would invading the middle east have stopped him? It's akin to saying we should invade italy and the vatican city to fight the IRA Please look at the news today I've just see an image that's broken me a gentleman sat crossed legged holding the hand of a loved one who's blatantly been killed. The next image a person covered with a doll next to them, possibly the mother or father of a child who was killed. How can you even try to justify these images by saying its collateral damage. I don't think anyone's trying to justify anything are they?, merely giving the incident the perspective it needs What like you did last night with your sick joke???." Or you can grab your pitchfork and enter into solemnful mourning about global tragedies that are a near weekly occurrence, is that the way to go through life? | |||
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"It's brewing, something is gonna happen in the UK soon, France can't keep having it. Our security services are stopping loads of things but something's gonna happen here. something has already happened here, maybe under a different name but a similar ideology... The London bombings were conducted by a small group of fanatics from Luton, an hour outside of the city. Ring any bells!!!!! The people travelling to Syria and Iraq to join Isil come from Europe too.. From the UK. They are Murdering innocent people in Syria and Iraq. An iraqi on the news yesterday said how they killed his mother in front of him and took his wife and daughters to rape them.. They are not fighting a cause, they are criminals and their actions need to be punished.. Come on, wake up and smell the coffee." Alright let me rephrase that, something's brewing *again* we haven't had anything major for a while so it feels like it's gonna be our turn again soon. | |||
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"So what's the solution then? " I don;t have a solution any more than I have a hotline to May, Hollonde, Obama, Putin or anyone else who could have an impact on this. I would say that we should remember the dead - on all sides, in all countries - and remember that terrorists cannot kill us all. Do not live your life in fear. Do not trade your liberty for security. If you do that, then the terrorists have won. | |||
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"So what's the solution then? I don;t have a solution any more than I have a hotline to May, Hollonde, Obama, Putin or anyone else who could have an impact on this. I would say that we should remember the dead - on all sides, in all countries - and remember that terrorists cannot kill us all. Do not live your life in fear. Do not trade your liberty for security. If you do that, then the terrorists have won. " But all the fussing and interfering in these countries that's gone on for 100's of years, if listening to the demands from the current situation and I mean ISIS if they are saying pack your shit up and leave and then we'll stop attacking your countries, surely that could be worth a try now seeing how nothing else is working. | |||
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"So what's the solution then? I don;t have a solution any more than I have a hotline to May, Hollonde, Obama, Putin or anyone else who could have an impact on this. I would say that we should remember the dead - on all sides, in all countries - and remember that terrorists cannot kill us all. Do not live your life in fear. Do not trade your liberty for security. If you do that, then the terrorists have won. But all the fussing and interfering in these countries that's gone on for 100's of years, if listening to the demands from the current situation and I mean ISIS if they are saying pack your shit up and leave and then we'll stop attacking your countries, surely that could be worth a try now seeing how nothing else is working. " So called Islamic State is an unsustainable death cult. It will destroy itself if its neighbours don;t strangle it first. Same thing happened in Algeria in the 90s | |||
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. " What do they want ? | |||
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. What do they want ? " . Convert to Islam and accept sharia law in full | |||
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. What do they want ? " I dont think its rocket science really to know that! 95% off ppl will know that the other 5% are the reason were in this situation with there thinking | |||
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. What do they want ? . Convert to Islam and accept sharia law in full" Oh yes thats why they kill Muslims as well ? | |||
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. What do they want ? . Convert to Islam and accept sharia law in full" Im sure all the ladies on this site would love to be under there laws  | |||
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. What do they want ? . Convert to Islam and accept sharia law in full Oh yes thats why they kill Muslims as well ? " Thats why i was carefull with my reply. Allways that 5% | |||
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. What do they want ? . Convert to Islam and accept sharia law in full Oh yes thats why they kill Muslims as well ? Thats why i was carefull with my reply. Allways that 5% "You know that Islam hasn't been born few years ago ? | |||
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. What do they want ? . Convert to Islam and accept sharia law in full Oh yes thats why they kill Muslims as well ? Thats why i was carefull with my reply. Allways that 5%
You know that Islam hasn't been born few years ago ? "I have my beliefs towards all this..you and other ppl do aswell. I respect that but aint gonna justify mine on a swingers forum | |||
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. What do they want ? . Convert to Islam and accept sharia law in full Oh yes thats why they kill Muslims as well ? Thats why i was carefull with my reply. Allways that 5%
You know that Islam hasn't been born few years ago ?
I have my beliefs towards all this..you and other ppl do aswell. I respect that but aint gonna justify mine on a swingers forum "You actually just did ^ but anyway I leave you to it. | |||
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"Oh and a country they can call their own!" They've got a country they can call their own though. When you think about it and listen to all the bollocks they spout about restoring the caliphate, that would mean they want an international Islamic state like it was a few 100 years after fucking Jesus died like. Well they can't have that these days, women want to shave their pubes and have sex with as many men as they like without getting stoned, there's just shit that we like to do so we can't accept the conditions to live under. Like joe said a couple of posts up they will destroy themselves unless their neighbours strangle them first, I say let them destroy themselves but turn a blind eye. It's nasty but this shit is just gonna run and run forever. | |||
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. What do they want ? . Convert to Islam and accept sharia law in full Oh yes thats why they kill Muslims as well ? " . The ones who aren't accepting sharia law, that's correct.... It wasn't one or the other, it's both! | |||
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. " that's twaddle.. there is no association between human rights and maintaining those and fighting terrorism in whatever form it takes.. attempting to associate them is naïve.. who are the 'racist police'? actually I am wrong there, the association which we all need to be aware of is when we accept in the name of the need to maintain 'freedom' a reduction in our rights.. essentially that is what the terrorists desire as it means we are changing how we live because of them.. then they will have won.. so whilst we must be vigilant as lets face it we have had to be since the 70's, we get on with our lives and do not allow them to intimidate or change how we live.. | |||
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. that's twaddle.. there is no association between human rights and maintaining those and fighting terrorism in whatever form it takes.. attempting to associate them is naïve.. who are the 'racist police'? actually I am wrong there, the association which we all need to be aware of is when we accept in the name of the need to maintain 'freedom' a reduction in our rights.. essentially that is what the terrorists desire as it means we are changing how we live because of them.. then they will have won.. so whilst we must be vigilant as lets face it we have had to be since the 70's, we get on with our lives and do not allow them to intimidate or change how we live.." Yes | |||
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. What do they want ? . Convert to Islam and accept sharia law in full Oh yes thats why they kill Muslims as well ? Thats why i was carefull with my reply. Allways that 5%
You know that Islam hasn't been born few years ago ? ". Well.... You know when you said about western intervention. Do you happen to know what number 3 on the list of demands of al qaeda.... Yep the western intervention of civil war in Indonesia!.... They were dead against the west stopping wholesale genocide?. The west hasn't got a great track record with foreign policy, we all know that but fuck me it's five million times better than middle Eastern foreign policy | |||
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. that's twaddle.. there is no association between human rights and maintaining those and fighting terrorism in whatever form it takes.. attempting to associate them is naïve.. who are the 'racist police'? actually I am wrong there, the association which we all need to be aware of is when we accept in the name of the need to maintain 'freedom' a reduction in our rights.. essentially that is what the terrorists desire as it means we are changing how we live because of them.. then they will have won.. so whilst we must be vigilant as lets face it we have had to be since the 70's, we get on with our lives and do not allow them to intimidate or change how we live.. " Twaddle because you dont agree with it
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. that's twaddle.. there is no association between human rights and maintaining those and fighting terrorism in whatever form it takes.. attempting to associate them is naïve.. who are the 'racist police'? actually I am wrong there, the association which we all need to be aware of is when we accept in the name of the need to maintain 'freedom' a reduction in our rights.. essentially that is what the terrorists desire as it means we are changing how we live because of them.. then they will have won.. so whilst we must be vigilant as lets face it we have had to be since the 70's, we get on with our lives and do not allow them to intimidate or change how we live.. Twaddle because you dont agree with it
Right you are "no its twaddle because it's factually wrong, I don't agree with it either.. care to clarify what your method of stopping them is? etc | |||
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. that's twaddle.. there is no association between human rights and maintaining those and fighting terrorism in whatever form it takes.. attempting to associate them is naïve.. who are the 'racist police'? actually I am wrong there, the association which we all need to be aware of is when we accept in the name of the need to maintain 'freedom' a reduction in our rights.. essentially that is what the terrorists desire as it means we are changing how we live because of them.. then they will have won.. so whilst we must be vigilant as lets face it we have had to be since the 70's, we get on with our lives and do not allow them to intimidate or change how we live.. Twaddle because you dont agree with it
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no its twaddle because it's factually wrong, I don't agree with it either..
care to clarify what your method of stopping them is?
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. that's twaddle.. there is no association between human rights and maintaining those and fighting terrorism in whatever form it takes.. attempting to associate them is naïve.. who are the 'racist police'? actually I am wrong there, the association which we all need to be aware of is when we accept in the name of the need to maintain 'freedom' a reduction in our rights.. essentially that is what the terrorists desire as it means we are changing how we live because of them.. then they will have won.. so whilst we must be vigilant as lets face it we have had to be since the 70's, we get on with our lives and do not allow them to intimidate or change how we live.. Twaddle because you dont agree with it
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no its twaddle because it's factually wrong, I don't agree with it either..
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Start a new thread up and ask if your so interested "without playing silly games, you stated it but clearly have no answer so can only assume its just another throw away ill thought through comment.. sadly too frequent by those who wish to use such tragic events for whatever reason.. | |||
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"Bombing is ineffectual and inefficient.. And in Russias case, indiscriminate!!! A Hellfire or brimstone missile runs at around £250k. Guided bombs slightly less. A single bomb may kill 3 or so, so limited impact for a large cost.. It's PR, here you go people, we are doing our bit against them.. Bullshit!! Unfortunately, ground troops is the only way to deal with Isil. Until feet are put on the ground,this group will just keep on. It seems, following Afghanistan, the leaders of the European countries don't want to fund another war of attrition against a rag tag group of fundamentalists and extremists. How many more attacks on home soils will it take before the leaders of the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, Sweden, Belgium and the Netherlands say enough is enough and cut the head from this beast?? This man was born in paris, how would invading the middle east have stopped him? It's akin to saying we should invade italy and the vatican city to fight the IRA" why invade the Vatican  | |||
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"Oh and a country they can call their own! They've got a country they can call their own though. When you think about it and listen to all the bollocks they spout about restoring the caliphate, that would mean they want an international Islamic state like it was a few 100 years after fucking Jesus died like. Well they can't have that these days, women want to shave their pubes and have sex with as many men as they like without getting stoned, there's just shit that we like to do so we can't accept the conditions to live under. Like joe said a couple of posts up they will destroy themselves unless their neighbours strangle them first, I say let them destroy themselves but turn a blind eye. It's nasty but this shit is just gonna run and run forever. " Pulling out to allow ISIS unchecked growth would not make us safer. An end to airs strikes would not put an end to attacks here. It would allow them the time and resources to build the capacity to bring about the end of the world that they desire. They may destroy themselves but the intend to destroy us in the process. Whilst the attacks to date have been awful and I know people are not numbers, but the numbers killed in attacks on western countries have been tiny. Individuals have the capacity to kill 10s or hundreds, states have the capacity to kill 10s or hundreds of thousands or more. The ISIS ideology can not be allowed to become a fully funded state. | |||
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"So what's the solution then? I don;t have a solution any more than I have a hotline to May, Hollonde, Obama, Putin or anyone else who could have an impact on this. I would say that we should remember the dead - on all sides, in all countries - and remember that terrorists cannot kill us all. Do not live your life in fear. Do not trade your liberty for security. If you do that, then the terrorists have won. " Yes! 100% As soon as you become afraid to do things; as soon as you change your behaviour; Then they win . And just remember; statistically you are more likely to die driving a car than be killed by a terrorist . | |||
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" It seems, following Afghanistan, the leaders of the European countries don't want to fund another war of attrition against a rag tag group of fundamentalists and extremists. How many more attacks on home soils will it take before the leaders of the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, Sweden, Belgium and the Netherlands say enough is enough and cut the head from this beast?? " Some are; Currently France has an intervention brigade of 5000 ground troops fighting a very effective action against Islamic extremists ( al quaeda spin off) in North Africa across Chad, Niger, Burkino Faso, Mali, supported by fighter jets and helicopters. One of the few European countries taking this shit seriously... | |||
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"Bombing is ineffectual and inefficient.. And in Russias case, indiscriminate!!! A Hellfire or brimstone missile runs at around £250k. Guided bombs slightly less. A single bomb may kill 3 or so, so limited impact for a large cost.. It's PR, here you go people, we are doing our bit against them.. Bullshit!! Unfortunately, ground troops is the only way to deal with Isil. Until feet are put on the ground,this group will just keep on. It seems, following Afghanistan, the leaders of the European countries don't want to fund another war of attrition against a rag tag group of fundamentalists and extremists. How many more attacks on home soils will it take before the leaders of the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, Sweden, Belgium and the Netherlands say enough is enough and cut the head from this beast?? This man was born in paris, how would invading the middle east have stopped him? It's akin to saying we should invade italy and the vatican city to fight the IRA Please look at the news today I've just see an image that's broken me a gentleman sat crossed legged holding the hand of a loved one who's blatantly been killed. The next image a person covered with a doll next to them, possibly the mother or father of a child who was killed. How can you even try to justify these images by saying its collateral damage. I don't think anyone's trying to justify anything are they?, merely giving the incident the perspective it needs What like you did last night with your sick joke???. Or you can grab your pitchfork and enter into solemnful mourning about global tragedies that are a near weekly occurrence, is that the way to go through life?" What and u find making a sick joke they way to go? | |||
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"Why I have nothing to do with religion. It's a load of bollox and causes nothing but war." But didn't you say previously you hated Asians??? Racial hatred hmmmm isn't that how radical terrorists feel about us folks in the west. | |||
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"We condemn and ostracise politicians and the influential like Kilroy-Silk, Trump, UKIP etc who speak out frankly (albeit indiscriminately) about the Arab world and the medieval death-cult they espouse. Were they/are they so wrong? " Of course they're not. The decaying arab/muslim world has rid itself of its Jews, most of its Christians and is now ethnically-cleansing itself by migrating to Europe...where it's bringing its destructive poison with it. However our own chattering classes and PC grovelers won't let the mangled, crushed and destroyed bodies of family members stop them from their continuing unconditional devotion to islam. So expect renewed 'racist' hysteria from Guardianistas when our equally PC police start reporting that some people actually objected to the massacre! | |||
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"It's awful and he knew he would kill and injure children. That's what makes it sicker. I'm beyond words today. Sarah How these bastards think it's OK to do this shit to innocent people sickens me. Me too. What sort of twisted mind and twisted theology thinks that killing innocent people and especially kids is somehow in God's name? So ww2 bomber comand, we built them a monument. And we used to send 1,000+ bombers at a time to cites. Would you say those raf service men deliberatley killing civilians where sick or brave heros? When it comes down to it who's innocent, who's evil and who's a hero is all a matter of perspective. The raf did not deliberately kill civilians, it's clear your against war of any type but those raf service personnel give you the freedom to live the way you want in this country. If you don't like what our forces personnel do for our country go live in a place with civil unrest like Syria etc. Those people deliberately target innocent people and let's not forget last nights attack killed innocent children too, even themself's target childrenin there own countries. They teach children to murder and fight and kill people it's very different. And let's not forget women also radicalised fight for 'there' cause what ever that maybe. " Ermmm yes they did? Who the heck did you think they where killing when they bombed cities? And no I'm not against war. Im just for calling it what it is, war. Les sof this decrying the enemy as eveil savages when they kill ours and purs as heroes when we kill thiers. Its war. Youre in it accept you're a target as much as any of them are, stop with your dehumanising lanauage though as thats what leads to genocides, that is something I'm against | |||
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". The raf did not deliberately kill civilians, " Just to come back to this 1000 bombers killed 25,000 mostly civilians in Dresden in one night. In a carefully planed pattern to create a firestorm (as we also used on tokyo) and you think civilians weren't the target? | |||
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"They wont stop untill they get what they want. We could stop them but human rights and the racist police would stop that. What do they want ? . Convert to Islam and accept sharia law in full Oh yes thats why they kill Muslims as well ? " Yes differnt muslims. Just like Christians, protestants and catholics uaed and continue to. We cant pull out of thier countries as we're dependant upon them for resources so this conflict will go on for the next few decades. But it's low level and not a major issue economically speaking, it props up some internal protectionist industries on the involved parties though. I all honesty untill DEMO is built and hopefully a successful operation there is little thats going to change the situation. However once our greedy eye moves from the middle east it will fall back into a simmilar situation as africa is now. Many grotesque wars and infightings but self contained and not worth our attention. | |||
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"Me too. What sort of twisted mind and twisted theology thinks that killing innocent people and especially kids is somehow in God's name? " Timothy McVeigh drove a van full of explosives into a government building in Oklahoma City with a nursery and killed 19 children amongst the 168 he murdered. Thomas Hamilton walked into a school in Dunblane with the sole purpose of killing children. I can't imagine the horror of what's happened. My last holiday was in the south of France and the thought that evil could visit such a beautiful place is heartbreaking. But let's be clear, evil is evil it's not just unique to one set of people. | |||
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"We condemn and ostracise politicians and the influential like Kilroy-Silk, Trump, UKIP etc who speak out frankly (albeit indiscriminately) about the Arab world and the medieval death-cult they espouse. Were they/are they so wrong? Of course they're not. The decaying arab/muslim world has rid itself of its Jews, most of its Christians and is now ethnically-cleansing itself by migrating to Europe...where it's bringing its destructive poison with it. However our own chattering classes and PC grovelers won't let the mangled, crushed and destroyed bodies of family members stop them from their continuing unconditional devotion to islam. So expect renewed 'racist' hysteria from Guardianistas when our equally PC police start reporting that some people actually objected to the massacre!" LOL  | |||
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