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"Ones that say I'm a gay cunt. My usual reaction is one of mild bemusement. " If you're a gay cunt does that make you a lesbian? I hope this message isn't coming from anyone close to you. | |||
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"Jesus! Where do you want me to start?! I was thinking about a thread entitled "Post your misconceptions about DiamondJoe here" but deemed it too self-referential. :/" ... that would be one of those misconceptions. | |||
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"He's a gay cunt " Dammable prude-phone "he's a gentleman" | |||
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"Jesus! Where do you want me to start?! I was thinking about a thread entitled "Post your misconceptions about DiamondJoe here" but deemed it too self-referential. :/" Yeah I'd be intrigued to know just how far off or spot on people's thoughts about me are but it seems a bit self indulgent. I can't remember Lickety's question now so I'm going to have to go back and read it! | |||
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"Another thread had me thinking about the ways we take on an often false belief about ourself based on the messages we get from others. I know how much this had affected my life, and when I'm in the depths of depression how much these messages jump to the fore. What false messages have you battled? " Mine are all subconscious and primal, but I know there are some there lol. I honestly think the unconditional love of a good man in my teenage years saved me. | |||
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"Ones that say I'm a gay cunt. My usual reaction is one of mild bemusement. " Don't worry Steve, you're not gay | |||
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"He's a gay cunt " I've never considered you a gay cunt. I see you more as a bi-sexual cunt Glad to have helped | |||
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"He's a gay cunt I've never considered you a gay cunt. I see you more as a bi-sexual cunt Glad to have helped " For the hard of thinking, that was (of course) a joke | |||
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"Another thread had me thinking about the ways we take on an often false belief about ourself based on the messages we get from others. I know how much this had affected my life, and when I'm in the depths of depression how much these messages jump to the fore. What false messages have you battled? Mine are all subconscious and primal, but I know there are some there lol. I honestly think the unconditional love of a good man in my teenage years saved me. " I think my childhood damage was compounded by the violent, conditional "love" of a damaged man in my teenage years. His mother helped to augment the message that I should never get fat if I wanted to keep a man. | |||
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"Couldn't give a damn what people think of us, we are not going to change to suit anyone else, so as the saying goes...'loved by some and hated by others' seems to be about right. " . What a perfect name | |||
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"Couldn't give a damn what people think of us, we are not going to change to suit anyone else, so as the saying goes...'loved by some and hated by others' seems to be about right. " That's great. This is more about the messages that you just accept because they have been implanted into your beliefs. At a whimsical level it might be as daft as eating your crusts will give you curly hair. | |||
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"He's a gay cunt I've never considered you a gay cunt. I see you more as a bi-sexual cunt Glad to have helped For the hard of thinking, that was (of course) a joke " . I guess your Dan and your a Berk!. | |||
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"Couldn't give a damn what people think of us, we are not going to change to suit anyone else, so as the saying goes...'loved by some and hated by others' seems to be about right. That's great. This is more about the messages that you just accept because they have been implanted into your beliefs. At a whimsical level it might be as daft as eating your crusts will give you curly hair." This is it. I think you know me well enough to understand that I really don't give a shit what other people think of how I look, act or behave. *as Popeye* "I yam whaddi yam." | |||
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"Couldn't give a damn what people think of us, we are not going to change to suit anyone else, so as the saying goes...'loved by some and hated by others' seems to be about right. That's great. This is more about the messages that you just accept because they have been implanted into your beliefs. At a whimsical level it might be as daft as eating your crusts will give you curly hair. " . Isn't that true then | |||
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"Another thread had me thinking about the ways we take on an often false belief about ourself based on the messages we get from others. I know how much this had affected my life, and when I'm in the depths of depression how much these messages jump to the fore. What false messages have you battled? Mine are all subconscious and primal, but I know there are some there lol. I honestly think the unconditional love of a good man in my teenage years saved me. I think my childhood damage was compounded by the violent, conditional "love" of a damaged man in my teenage years. His mother helped to augment the message that I should never get fat if I wanted to keep a man. " Ouch, yes, that's not good. It seems the greatest damage is done before people are 6 yrs old, and we are often totally oblivious of the nature of it, but I do think our early sexual/romantic relationships are very 'shaping' of the psyche too. | |||
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"Constant verbal abuse from my mother has given me low self esteem. I find a need positive feedback a lot, and take knick backs very personally. One I got over was being afraid to show my legs. My sister always told me I had legs like tree trunks so I never wore skirts. When I was 22 a guy told me my legs were lovely and I realised they were. " *knock backs | |||
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"Constant verbal abuse from my mother has given me low self esteem. I find a need positive feedback a lot, and take knick backs very personally. One I got over was being afraid to show my legs. My sister always told me I had legs like tree trunks so I never wore skirts. When I was 22 a guy told me my legs were lovely and I realised they were. " The drip, drip, drip of those messages do erode. I've seen your legs and know them to be long and lovely. | |||
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"Couldn't give a damn what people think of us, we are not going to change to suit anyone else, so as the saying goes...'loved by some and hated by others' seems to be about right. That's great. This is more about the messages that you just accept because they have been implanted into your beliefs. At a whimsical level it might be as daft as eating your crusts will give you curly hair. . Isn't that true then " Of course it is. My hair is curlier than an old style Curly Wurly. | |||
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"Another thread had me thinking about the ways we take on an often false belief about ourself based on the messages we get from others. I know how much this had affected my life, and when I'm in the depths of depression how much these messages jump to the fore. What false messages have you battled? Mine are all subconscious and primal, but I know there are some there lol. I honestly think the unconditional love of a good man in my teenage years saved me. I think my childhood damage was compounded by the violent, conditional "love" of a damaged man in my teenage years. His mother helped to augment the message that I should never get fat if I wanted to keep a man. Ouch, yes, that's not good. It seems the greatest damage is done before people are 6 yrs old, and we are often totally oblivious of the nature of it, but I do think our early sexual/romantic relationships are very 'shaping' of the psyche too. " Getting the messages as we form our ability to think and recognise ourselves will shape us. My mother told me I was the ugliest child she'd ever seen. My grandmother used to call me the coolie gal as I was born too dark. That's just two bits of a lot of things going on for a toddler. | |||
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"Couldn't give a damn what people think of us, we are not going to change to suit anyone else, so as the saying goes...'loved by some and hated by others' seems to be about right. That's great. This is more about the messages that you just accept because they have been implanted into your beliefs. At a whimsical level it might be as daft as eating your crusts will give you curly hair. " What I find fascinating is the interpretation we as children put onto the 'messages' our parents give us, messages that consist of ALL their behaviour as well as the words they say. So something as arbitrary as parents fighting or not being affectionate can get translated in a childs mind as 'I am bad' and you end up with an adult with triggers that he has no idea of the origin of. I was reading one interesting book recently that categorised our responses to those internal triggers into four types of behaviour - Fight, Flight, Fawn and Freeze. It's fun playing 'spot the 'F' on fabs forums!! | |||
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"I've found myself struggling with this so much lately. It's like there's a huge collision between what I see and feel and what others tell me. Messages tell me one thing. My mind tells me something different. I get this overwhelming sense of self-loathing. I hit the self-destruct button and push people away who I think are too good for me, which then makes me feel even worse. I know it's totally irrational and I'm fighting it but it still can well up out of nowhere from time to time. It scares me." It's good that you recognise it is happening. Keep talking and get some help. I know that slope and it gets really slippery and hard to climb back up if you leave it too long. | |||
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"Coming out of an abusive relationship with no self esteem, self confidence or self worth. I felt so undesirable and undeserving of anything. No love, no desire and no happiness. Thankfully I grew from that low time, and although it took years I couldn't be happier x" | |||
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"Couldn't give a damn what people think of us, we are not going to change to suit anyone else, so as the saying goes...'loved by some and hated by others' seems to be about right. That's great. This is more about the messages that you just accept because they have been implanted into your beliefs. At a whimsical level it might be as daft as eating your crusts will give you curly hair. What I find fascinating is the interpretation we as children put onto the 'messages' our parents give us, messages that consist of ALL their behaviour as well as the words they say. So something as arbitrary as parents fighting or not being affectionate can get translated in a childs mind as 'I am bad' and you end up with an adult with triggers that he has no idea of the origin of. I was reading one interesting book recently that categorised our responses to those internal triggers into four types of behaviour - Fight, Flight, Fawn and Freeze. It's fun playing 'spot the 'F' on fabs forums!! " Can we assign an emoticon to these? | |||
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"Couldn't give a damn what people think of us, we are not going to change to suit anyone else, so as the saying goes...'loved by some and hated by others' seems to be about right. That's great. This is more about the messages that you just accept because they have been implanted into your beliefs. At a whimsical level it might be as daft as eating your crusts will give you curly hair. . Isn't that true then Of course it is. My hair is curlier than an old style Curly Wurly. " . So is mine but that's mainly because I'm a lazy bastard and I hardly ever brush it!.... Does that make me sound slobbish | |||
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"I'm still battling mine. One of mine is the automatic thought when I'm rejected, or someone interesting looks and passes by, is that I'm too fat to be attractive. However, that's easily dismissed at the moment because I'm in a good place. I know some guys think it's because they are unattractive/too old/too young/too married, or whatever their internal voice tells them, when they are turned down or overlooked. However, I know there are numerous reasons I decline to meet guys and some are nothing to do with age or looks. It stands to reason then that there are lots of factors that could be involved in someone not wanting to meet me. That helps me shrug because I'm not right for them for whatever reason and move on. Some of the people who haughtily declare, repeatedly, how their self worth is rock solid and unshakeable by others may be, I believe, protesting just a little too much. Most of us have insecurities of one type or another, to some extent, as well as areas in which we're extremely confident and self assured. I'm absolutely certain, for example, of my academic ability and intelligence but less confident in my attractiveness. I know that others, who may be completely confident in their physical appearance, may feel lacking in other ways. On here physical appearance tends to be judged by many over all else, which screws the balance, but it's important to maintain perspective and recognise our own individual strengths." | |||
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"I've found myself struggling with this so much lately. It's like there's a huge collision between what I see and feel and what others tell me. Messages tell me one thing. My mind tells me something different. I get this overwhelming sense of self-loathing. I hit the self-destruct button and push people away who I think are too good for me, which then makes me feel even worse. I know it's totally irrational and I'm fighting it but it still can well up out of nowhere from time to time. It scares me." I know how you feel. I also know this won't help because you need to find your content place inside yourself but having met you, I can tell you you're a lovely person who should have a far higher opinion of himself. That's said absolutely genuinely. | |||
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"This is apropos. When I was a kid I did a spell in remedial school and last night I found the report - a couple of sentences - that put me there. This is what it said: . [Joe] demands a lot of your time and attention. He thinks that he only has to say 'excuse me' and you will ignore others to give your full attention to him. He [word unclear] but gets very embarrassed if attention is drawn to him. He puts little into his work and I feel he could achieve more if he tried just a little harder and did as asked." " . That's proper teaching... I'd have given you the cane just for putting your hand up | |||
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"I've found myself struggling with this so much lately. It's like there's a huge collision between what I see and feel and what others tell me. Messages tell me one thing. My mind tells me something different. I get this overwhelming sense of self-loathing. I hit the self-destruct button and push people away who I think are too good for me, which then makes me feel even worse. I know it's totally irrational and I'm fighting it but it still can well up out of nowhere from time to time. It scares me. I know how you feel. I also know this won't help because you need to find your content place inside yourself but having met you, I can tell you you're a lovely person who should have a far higher opinion of himself. That's said absolutely genuinely." Thank you xx Thankfully I'm feeling a little better today. I've been doing well of late looking for that 'content place inside' as you put it, but this particular episode crept upon me when I wasn't expecting it. I can be my own worst enemy at times. | |||
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"I've found myself struggling with this so much lately. It's like there's a huge collision between what I see and feel and what others tell me. Messages tell me one thing. My mind tells me something different. I get this overwhelming sense of self-loathing. I hit the self-destruct button and push people away who I think are too good for me, which then makes me feel even worse. I know it's totally irrational and I'm fighting it but it still can well up out of nowhere from time to time. It scares me. I know how you feel. I also know this won't help because you need to find your content place inside yourself but having met you, I can tell you you're a lovely person who should have a far higher opinion of himself. That's said absolutely genuinely. Thank you xx Thankfully I'm feeling a little better today. I've been doing well of late looking for that 'content place inside' as you put it, but this particular episode crept upon me when I wasn't expecting it. I can be my own worst enemy at times." I know that feeling too. You are who you are. You're a nice person. Let other people like it or lump it. | |||
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" My self worth comes from me. " Beautifully stated, certainly true of me too. It can be hard to convince myself sometimes, though... | |||
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"Jesus! Where do you want me to start?! I was thinking about a thread entitled "Post your misconceptions about DiamondJoe here" but deemed it too self-referential. :/" ....But enough about me.....What do you think about me? | |||
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"Jesus! Where do you want me to start?! I was thinking about a thread entitled "Post your misconceptions about DiamondJoe here" but deemed it too self-referential. :/ ....But enough about me.....What do you think about me? " Well now you ask... | |||
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"Jesus! Where do you want me to start?! I was thinking about a thread entitled "Post your misconceptions about DiamondJoe here" but deemed it too self-referential. :/ ....But enough about me.....What do you think about me? Well now you ask... " Monkey knife fight for his body? | |||
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"I have a story...like we all have. Not sure I'll get over it but I'm moving forward & have to also thanks so many lovely people on these forums who really help me every day x" Your story is ongoing though. It's not something you have to get over, just take somewhere better. You're moving forward and that's a good start. | |||
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"Jesus! Where do you want me to start?! I was thinking about a thread entitled "Post your misconceptions about DiamondJoe here" but deemed it too self-referential. :/ ....But enough about me.....What do you think about me? Well now you ask... Monkey knife fight for his body? " I think he'd rather yours than mine and he's straight! But yeah, the knife fight sounds fun. Bring it on. | |||
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"Wether...... whether " Haha. I gave up. (I hit post way too fast) | |||
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"Wether...... whether Haha. I gave up. (I hit post way too fast)" Wither, atrophy? | |||
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"Constantly being called fat by my father and having an extremely slim sister killed my vision of what I was. I only saw and still only see fat and apologise for being so. Having a non tactile emotionally retarded patents who argued constantly has made me yearn for real love but when shown any, push it away. Not sure how to deal with it. Ok I wanna cry now " Sorry to hear that but sometimes a cry is the release we need. | |||
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"I haven't exactly battled them more ignored them but I've often been told "you'll get yourself in trouble" due to being friendly with men and women in exactly the same way. It has also been implied that I'm too flippant and don't take things seriously enough. Tough I say, if you don't like how I am the door's that a way. It's interesting that we're more likely to assume that uncomplimentary opinions about us are true rather than complimentary." So true. You can have 9 compliments and one criticism and concentrate on the 1 rather than the 9. | |||
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"my mother used to call me stupid and pathetic growing up..not what i used to do was in her opinion stupid, but it was projected at my being.. i took a mensa test as a teen and shoved it under her nose i upset her by taking back my power and becoming someone who could make her turn purple with frustration.. not a nice way of dealing with it..noone is perfect, not everyone has to agree with you, some people want you to follow them because that would mean it makes then feel more secure. i didnt realise until alot later on in my life that i have a very powerful presence when i assert myself..my mother isnt a powerful person in her own right..i probably scared her. i can scare people i believe now she was being defensive...i dont believe what anyone says about me really..i am not used to praise and my cousins were allowed to call me ugly and other names while i was young...i came to the same conclusion these people were not loving people....i accept things as other peoples perception, i dont have to take it on board..i dont think i did then, i was a strong character..i didnt understand the need for it though...i feel the only effect is that it makes me quite self contained and i dont reach out to people in terms of asking for things or asking for support..i still find that difficult x" This makes sense to me. Especially this: "i accept things as other peoples perception, i dont have to take it on board.." x I think we are all much stronger than we give ourselves credit for. I mean everyone that's posted on this thread. | |||
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"I've found myself struggling with this so much lately. It's like there's a huge collision between what I see and feel and what others tell me. Messages tell me one thing. My mind tells me something different. I get this overwhelming sense of self-loathing. I hit the self-destruct button and push people away who I think are too good for me, which then makes me feel even worse. I know it's totally irrational and I'm fighting it but it still can well up out of nowhere from time to time. It scares me." This was very much me until hubby came along and no matter how hard I tried, I just could not get rid of him! | |||
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"I haven't exactly battled them more ignored them but I've often been told "you'll get yourself in trouble" due to being friendly with men and women in exactly the same way. It has also been implied that I'm too flippant and don't take things seriously enough. Tough I say, if you don't like how I am the door's that a way. It's interesting that we're more likely to assume that uncomplimentary opinions about us are true rather than complimentary. So true. You can have 9 compliments and one criticism and concentrate on the 1 rather than the 9. " I personally don't do that, I might have as a younger woman but I don't ever recall serious self doubt. I wonder if it's nature or nurture I do tend to avoid people who enjoy pointing out what they see as flaws and I'm genuinely not that bothered what people I either don't know or whose opinion I don't respect think of me. Having said that I am my own harshest critic and can recognise when a criticism is valid. | |||
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"I've found myself struggling with this so much lately. It's like there's a huge collision between what I see and feel and what others tell me. Messages tell me one thing. My mind tells me something different. I get this overwhelming sense of self-loathing. I hit the self-destruct button and push people away who I think are too good for me, which then makes me feel even worse. I know it's totally irrational and I'm fighting it but it still can well up out of nowhere from time to time. It scares me." Can totally empathise with this, I could have written it myself. There will be better times You are not alone x | |||
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"Another thread had me thinking about the ways we take on an often false belief about ourself based on the messages we get from others. I know how much this had affected my life, and when I'm in the depths of depression how much these messages jump to the fore. What false messages have you battled? " That I am the clever one but never the pretty one or the one people like to be around. Things so ingrained are hard to shake off, even when rational thought tells me otherwise. Cognitive dissonance, anyone? | |||
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