FabSwingers.com forum: Should Basildon council spend £8million evicting Travellers?

By *UNCHBOX OP Man
over a year ago

folkestone

Do you think Basildon Council should be spending upto £8 million to evict 86 famillies of travellers at Dale Farm in Crays Hill who have set up pitches there without planning permission on green belt land?.

It appears Basildon council are going through with it because they would find it hard to justify turning down non travellers building on green belt land in the future if they ignored it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What amazes me about the traveler and squatting laws in this country is the fact that there is such a long time period until they can legally be removed

Why do people not have the right just to remove them from land and property immediately??

Amazes me xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What amazes me about the traveler and squatting laws in this country is the fact that there is such a long time period until they can legally be removed

Why do people not have the right just to remove them from land and property immediately??

Amazes me xx

Because they have squatters rights thats why

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I did it I'd be removed right away.

Shouldn't be any different for them.

They choose to travel. All they have to do is keep on travelling.

Maybe - if they think the councils are responsible for providing parking then the council should licence travelling and keep the numbers down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

e.g Apply to be a traveller and if there are no vacancies then tough.

P.S. Do vagrants scream rights for this and rights for that ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If I did it I'd be removed right away.

Shouldn't be any different for them.

They choose to travel. All they have to do is keep on travelling.

Maybe - if they think the councils are responsible for providing parking then the council should licence travelling and keep the numbers down. "

Or have an annual cull. Any unmarried rovers over the age of, say, 7, should be culled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If I did it I'd be removed right away.

Shouldn't be any different for them.

They choose to travel. All they have to do is keep on travelling.

Maybe - if they think the councils are responsible for providing parking then the council should licence travelling and keep the numbers down.

Or have an annual cull. Any unmarried rovers over the age of, say, 7, should be culled.

What about their children tho ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If I did it I'd be removed right away.

Shouldn't be any different for them.

They choose to travel. All they have to do is keep on travelling.

Maybe - if they think the councils are responsible for providing parking then the council should licence travelling and keep the numbers down.

Or have an annual cull. Any unmarried rovers over the age of, say, 7, should be culled.

What about their children tho ?"

I'm sure they could be utilised as street cleaners until they come of age and are culled too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think Basildon Council should be spending upto £8 million to evict 86 famillies of travellers at Dale Farm in Crays Hill who have set up pitches there without planning permission on green belt land?.

It appears Basildon council are going through with it because they would find it hard to justify turning down non travellers building on green belt land in the future if they ignored it. "

We used to live near Basildon about 5 years ago and I worked opposite there at the local Homebase they used to be on the rob there almost dailey was a nightmare

Basildon council where on about evicting them all back then too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Berkshire seems to have things under control, traveller/gypsy wise, they are evicted and moved on within seven days.

The last I heard about these illegal invasions they were gone with a police escort within the seven days, mind if you had seen the mess left behind you would have sworn that they had been there for months.

So it must be possible elsewhere in the country ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Berkshire seems to have things under control, traveller/gypsy wise, they are evicted and moved on within seven days.

So it must be possible elsewhere in the country ?"

lol you obviously havent seen the size of Dale Farm

its going to be a massive job to evict them plus as I remember a lot of them are pretty aggresive you wouldnt want to rub them up the wrong way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

when we moved to andover there used to be a travelrs family that lived out along the Rd to Newbury they where there when we first moved here 5 years ago last time we went along there was around January time they had obviously been moved on as the site is empty now

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Long story short...

I worked in security, one day travellers got onto a site we were responsible for, becausde we had to leave a gate open for construction traffic in and out.

When I got there (I was a manager by now), they had made themselves comfortable.

I decided to close and lock the gate to the site,(with the backing of the site manager and several "large" labourers lol) which they didnt like, so THEY called the police, claiming they had "rights" to access and egress. When the police turned up I asked about these "rights" which I was informed were to allow them to go shopping for food etc.

So I said, no problem, they can drive up to the gate, get out, climb over the gate, and get in a vehicle that we had stopped on the outside, simples.

Lets just say they wernt happy, and the head honcho decided on a "chat", during which the words "shotgun" and "your kneecaps" were mentioned.

I just looked him in the eyes and told him that accidents can happen, especially at night with large diggers and dumper trucks driving around, it could be noisy and dusty too, so it would be best if they moved on.

After two nights where (with the help of the site manager) we had trucks, diggers, and other assorted vehicles diverted so that they were constantly driving (with windows open and sterios blaring) around their caravans, they seemed to go off the idea of staying put, and they left.

Moral of the story....

play them by their rules!!!

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By *rumalexMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

It appears Basildon council are going through with it because they would find it hard to justify turning down non travellers building on green belt land in the future if they ignored it. "

i'm puzzled why would it cost £8m to kick some people off some land??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It appears Basildon council are going through with it because they would find it hard to justify turning down non travellers building on green belt land in the future if they ignored it.

i'm puzzled why would it cost £8m to kick some people off some land??

Same reason it costs most councils hundreds of pounds ta replace a toilet sat lol

It aint their money they are spending xx

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By *rumalexMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

It appears Basildon council are going through with it because they would find it hard to justify turning down non travellers building on green belt land in the future if they ignored it.

i'm puzzled why would it cost £8m to kick some people off some land??

Same reason it costs most councils hundreds of pounds ta replace a toilet sat lol

It aint their money they are spending xx

very true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should get them to tarmac all the potholes in the local roads, caused by the snow, to pay for their rent,lol.

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By *oDownEasyMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Dale Farm has been there for years, the land is owned by the gypsys according to Wiki, and there has been a long running coourt case to get rid of them, so that probably explains the 8 mil. The soner the better really for all the legit residents there.

As people have said, best to get in quick to rid your land of them. I used to work with a guy whose dad's farm had a load of gypsys turn up on night. He rode down to the field on horseback like Clint freakin Eastwood & told them to get lost. They did the usual threats, at which point he just stroked the shotgun he carried, and smiled.(knowing the guy I can well believe it)

The next day someone had diverted a stream into this water meadow, leaving the gypsys knee deep in water..they soon buggered off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They should get them to tarmac all the potholes in the local roads, caused by the snow, to pay for their rent,lol.

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lol very true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we had a load of them set up home off a very busy roundabout and they had their horses all tetherd on a flimsy bit of rope on the verges Id hate to thin k what would of happened if one of the horses was spooked and broke away from its teather and ended up boltoing into the traffic on the roundabout

and you should of seen the crap everywhere was disgusting

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By *ustyWoman
over a year ago

inverclyde

we have them north of the border as well and its the ones who decided to park up where they should not be and leave the rubbish behind that the council have to go and clean up the mess they leave, also notice that when a funfair is in town the big supermarkets have to lock the toilets/baby chang as the pinch the toilet rolls and nappies anything not secure its gone

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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago

sandwell

up until 30 years ago the tinkers (as opposed to 'proper' Romany Gypsies) used to take over a local football field on a regular basis. They would stay a few eeks until they had stolen everything they could get their hands on then move on.

One year they made the mistake of burgling the grand mother of the local head 'yooff'. It was a BAD mistake. Their camp was surrounded by stone throwing teenagers (plus a few older) and EVERY pane of glass in caravans and cars were broken. The police pleaded that they didnt have the manpower to disperse such a large group of youngsters.

After 24 hours the tinkers moved on and have not returned since. They do seem to have good memories

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is an area of land quite near to our home. The council block applications on a regular basis from supermarkets/stores/ikea etc. This is because the land is part of some kind of regeneration scheme whereby any businesses that use that land would be exempt from business rates for 7 years. The council refuse applications and then try to steer firms towards other more (for them) profitable sites in the borough.

Anyhoo,travellers moved onto the site a few years back. guess what? (and I know I'm only talking about 40 or 50 people in one specific place)...they're as good as gold.

a bit lively at kicking out time maybe but even the curtain twitchers and neighbourhood watch bods in a stuck up place like this find it hard to moan about them.

I dunno,Maybe we're just lucky.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Long story short...

I worked in security, one day travellers got onto a site we were responsible for, becausde we had to leave a gate open for construction traffic in and out.

When I got there (I was a manager by now), they had made themselves comfortable.

So I said, no problem, they can drive up to the gate, get out, climb over the gate, and get in a vehicle that we had stopped on the outside, simples.

Lets just say they wernt happy, and the head honcho decided on a "chat", during which the words "shotgun" and "your kneecaps" were mentioned.

Moral of the story....

play them by their rules!!!"

yes this seems to work with most stuff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dale Farm has been there for years, the land is owned by the gypsys according to Wiki, and there has been a long running coourt case to get rid of them, so that probably explains the 8 mil. The soner the better really for all the legit residents there.

The next day someone had diverted a stream into this water meadow, leaving the gypsys knee deep in water..they soon buggered off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"up until 30 years ago the tinkers (as opposed to 'proper' Romany Gypsies) used to take over a local football field on a regular basis. They would stay a few eeks until they had stolen everything they could get their hands on then move on.

After 24 hours the tinkers moved on and have not returned since. They do seem to have good memories

I have a friend who is a Romany, he told me that Romanies call them "hedgemumpers"

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By *andKCouple
over a year ago

Norfolk

surely the whole point about being a traveller is that you travel, by definition if you lay down roots in a particular place you aren't travelling and therefore you should be subject to local bylaws etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder how any potential traveller swingers will feel about this thread. Unless anyone above has had their land illegally occupied by travellers I am not sure there is any basis of all the negative remarks?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wonder how any potential traveller swingers will feel about this thread. Unless anyone above has had their land illegally occupied by travellers I am not sure there is any basis of all the negative remarks? "

and the positive of anyone's land being illegally occupied is????

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

Yes, yes, they are only poor misunderstood folk, simply trying to live their harmless traditional itinerant lifestyles in the face of discrimination from evil bigots.

Do me a favour! There's a perfectly good reason why people have negative views of them, and indeed, why they themselves know and expect hostility from muggins the taxpayer who has to pay for cleaning up their shit when they move on to stick two fingers up at the law in another part of the country. I disagree strongly with certain laws, but I obey them, because that's the price of living in this wonderful country - for them it means "do-as-you-likey" and whinge that they are being picked on when they get pulled up about it.

First things first, Plod needs to descend on their site, with HMRC and see who's driving a nice shiny new car, and find out how it's been funded. Anyone who can't produce accurate tax records or show how they have funded their purchase forfeits the motor and gets their own little pitch in Winson Green. That's what would happen if I kept getting new motors with no visible means of income. If I have to obey Anti Money Laundering laws, so can they.

Of course, if they can prove that their lifestyle isn't financed by criminal enterprise, no problem, sorry to inconvenience you sir. If you or I bought a brand new car, we'd be able to account for every penny, and have all the paperwork safe and sound, right? I'd be the first to apologise for maligning them if they had transparent financial records and could show that their lifestyle was funded through good old-fashioned hard work.

A taxi driver in Dublin once cursed a Transit pickup in front and told me that it was unusual to see one there at that time of year. When I asked why, he said that they were usually all in England on their Summer Campaign, but they had massive luxury family homes to return to when they needed to retreat somewhere quiet! Of course, I have no way of knowing if that's true, all I know is that when pikeys with Irish accents roll up onto land near here, every car that hasn't moved for a week is automatically assumed to be "abandoned", will disappear, along with the wiring in empty warehouses etc, and when they finally get moved on (even getting a diesel allowance payout from the council!) it costs thousands to clear up and disinfect the land they've stopped on.

Yes, once or twice, I have seen very small family groups, one or two caravans, who bag their rubbish up, don't just shit everywhere, and move on quietly without fuss, but the vast majority just cause trouble, steal anything they can and enjoy being obnoxious and anti-social, they take pride in it as if it's an essential part of being a gypsy. Well, that's fine, because part of MY traditional cultural heritage is burning gypsies out of town, and I feel hard done by that I'm being prevented from carrying on what my people have done throughout the ages. Waaaah, racists!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Curious.

Straw poll:

We all at one time or another have been along to a gypsy/showman fair.

Who has managed to win any prize above (a goldfish (b gonk (c cuddly toy ?

I have seen many expensive looking prizes including £50 notes tied, balanced or glued onto wooden blocks within the hoopla stall but I have never seen or even heard of any person that has walked away with any prize above those I have listed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i lived very close to dale farm in essex and these people were a nightmare in the community, the local shops were robbed, the local pubs had banning orders, every bit of land blocked off in case they took residence,children and adults threatened with violence, horse and cart racing on the a127 and if you have got good views on these people please buy a house in crays hill as they are worth nothing and you would get a bargain .

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