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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Continuing from the thread upon what wasn't done properly prior to the referendum. Like a clear plan that would be followed by government, if the referendum voted exit. Thus giving the remain and exit camps just one plan, thus stopping either side making false promises.

We weren't ready for that kneejerk referendum. Read the other full thread for many good points from all sides.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

don't you think it must be bad when people keep telling you not to panic ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only scotland have a plan

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By *sussexyMan
over a year ago

Lewes


"Only scotland have a plan"

Not sure they do. They have a hope that EU will let them stay in the market, outside Shengen and the Euro zone. And that is contingent upon winning a referendum that at the moment they don't have the confidence to go for (though they are setting the wheels in motion).

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

This has still to be decided upon by parliament - which includes Scottish MPs. If they don't agree to it, then the legislative changes that need to happen to start a departure process won't initiate. As a democracy, power is held by the Queen's government.

Scotland and Northern Ireland voted remain, so we've got a hurdle ahead. That sort of potential constitutional issue should have been forecast and planned for. And the electorate should have had a much clearer understanding of the whole process and intended strategy.

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think it's accepted that stay and leave campaigns got things wrong. But was this referendum's foundation, or something fundamental about it wrong?

Like there was no plan for what happened afterwards etc? The campaign MPs couldn't make commitments for post-campaign, as there was no plan nor did they have the power to take such decisions? Was the referendum rushed into too quickly, with insufficient effort and forethought?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

You will note that the referendum was an accident.

Cameron only made it an election pledge to out UKIP UKIP and the pledge was specifically worded that a referendum would take place *if* the Conservative party won a majority in Parliament.

No-one expected the Tories to win outright.

Was listening to a former Cameron speech writer who said they prepared various speeches put together before the result was announced - resign, coalition &c. - but the one they didn't write was for victory.

So the Conservatives got a majority and were then saddled with the referendum.

This caused confusion and uncertainty so it was decided to hold the referendum asap.

Again, I don't think Cameron expected to lose that either...

Reminds me of a line from my favourite song: "And as things fell apart nobody paid much attention."

Fools.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Cameron and Osborne are equally culpable in not having a plan for if they lost, the decision by the former looks to have been last minute to stitch up Boris..

Osborne also looks to have been not in the loop, perhaps deliberately by Cameron as he would have held his 'we are ok and can ride through this speech' on the same day..

He stayed too quiet in relation to his duties over the weekend, looking for support for a run at number 10 maybe or locked away with the treasury and bank of England lot trying to sort out what to do?

Even being on the losing side he is still in post whatever the vote..

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Cameron and Osborne are equally culpable in not having a plan for if they lost, the decision by the former looks to have been last minute to stitch up Boris..

Osborne also looks to have been not in the loop, perhaps deliberately by Cameron as he would have held his 'we are ok and can ride through this speech' on the same day..

He stayed too quiet in relation to his duties over the weekend, looking for support for a run at number 10 maybe or locked away with the treasury and bank of England lot trying to sort out what to do?

Even being on the losing side he is still in post whatever the vote.."

In private, Obbo vigorously argued against a referendum

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