FabSwingers.com forum: Budget 2011

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Ot's looking like Mr Osbourne is going to deliver a hard, but fair budget today.

A small tax break is good however small and coupled with this year's rise in the tax threshold to £7,475 it means that next April we'll be able to earn just over £8,000 before paying tax, which puts the Govt. well on course to acheiving the £10,000 lower limit for tax thresholds set out in it's election manifesto.

The previously planned rise in fuel duty being scrapped is also welcome, which will assist hauliers and private motorists alike. Another plus for George.

£250m set aside for first time buyers will go some way to assisting the housing market to get moving again, so I'm sure those struggling to get a foot on the property ladder will welcome that news, as well as those trying to sell their homes as first time buyers are the start of most buy/sell chains with fresh money.

I didn't think George would be giving hardly anything away in this budget due to the severe cuts he has had to make, but it seems he knows the value of keeping the electorate sweet whilst still making sure we're heading in the right direction towards posterity and away from austerity.

Good on ya George, keep it up pal.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

he does not have a lot of room to manouvre tbh, and fair play if he helps those on low incomes etc

However in the long term he will look after his pals in big business and his 'class'

he is hardly a man of the people and the idealogical drive to privatise everything is not good for the majority imho

'pal'is not a word i would use personally

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

a couple of things with this "£8000" figure...

not going to happen till april 2012....

i was doing some sums this morning... with inflation at 4.4% that would have taken the £7475 up to £7805 anyway....

so the £8000 figure isn't really "that big" a step....

what he had done though has backdated the big pressure, because the single persons take allowence figure is suppose to be at £10000 but the end of the parlimentary term....

the fuel duty esculator had to go.. glad he is doing that....

not sure if i am in favour of the Air tax duty going... because especially for short haul flights people are making a conscious decision to fly!

he has to close a lot of the Tax loopholes that business use... if we are "all in this together" then business' can't be seen to be paying in proportion less than everyone else...

I would still in favour of a higher tax band for millionaires.. the "mythical 50% tax band" for anyone earning more than 1 million pounds per year....but that isn't going to happen anytime soon

I'll wait to see if there are any surprises in there....

I think the most interesting "topic" may well be one of the proposals... which may be to finally merge income tax and national insurance......

I'd like to see what consultation plans they put out for that.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'd like to see N.I. scrapped altogether and wage earners 'encouraged' to take out private medical insurance.

I've always paid for prescriptions, eye tests and dental treatment and never stayed overnight in hospital so I see N.I. contribs as simply paying for free treatment for those who haven't paid into the system.

That's a harsh view I know, but why is it my responsibility to pay for people I don't know, have never met, and never will, but for the same amount I pay in N.I. each month I could get pretty decent family cover for myself, my wife and my two kids.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Slight problem with that....as NI contributions are used for far more than Health budgets.

There is also a major Pension, Benefits, Maternity and Disability slice of cake taken from NI contributions.

Unless of course you want to opt out of all of the above as well?

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

sounds like its going to be a privatisation budget to me ,less protection for workers ,nhs devolved the banks still getting an easy time ,but then he is being advised and hanging out with sir phillip green who avoided 250 million in tax recently .

RPI up,unemployment up,growth down inflation moving upwards,Ni Insurance of 9% scrapped for employers but not for employees and due to rise next month .Its time this guy started to look to the people who put him there and not the millionaires club

lets see what he can pull out of his magic bag of tricks

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

As a single guy earing just about enough money to get by on I know exactly whats in store for me .... I get shafted even more as usual

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Slight problem with that....as NI contributions are used for far more than Health budgets.

There is also a major Pension, Benefits, Maternity and Disability slice of cake taken from NI contributions.

Unless of course you want to opt out of all of the above as well?"

No point in letting minor details interfere with a rant.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"As a single guy earing just about enough money to get by on I know exactly whats in store for me .... I get shafted even more as usual

well we do get the thousand pound increase in single persons allowance starting from next week.... so that should be about 70 pounds per month extra.... but lets see what else happens...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm interested in the proposals for getting youth unemployment down through the apprenticeship schemes. I would still like companies making obscene profits to pledge real jobs for young people within their organisations, numbers of places available based on a percentage of that profit. We need to get the young into a work ethic - especially if they cannot afford to go to university.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The NHS has severely lost its way since the heady days of the 1950s when it was heralded as the new way forward in terms of healthcare for all, when they need it, regardless of personal circumstances.

It is very much a post code lottery these days and much of our N.I. contributions that *should* go towards providing NHS across the board is diverted into the DSS bill for lazy bone idle kiddie machines who give nothing to our society at all.

On THAT basis, yes, it needs scrapping altogether, or else, seriously overhauling so that it is unrecognisable from what it is today.

I've never been out of work, never claimed benefits (U/B, Income Support, housing blah blah blah), never stayed overnight in hospital except for the day I was born, and I'm a man - I don't qualify for maternity

Joking aside, I am in favour of having private medical cover (I already have comprehensive insurance against long term illness, loss of earnings and loss of life), and for me, the NHS offers me and my family nothing that I couldn't get elsewhere for the same amount per month and get a much better service to boot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

SCRAP J.S.A if claimed over a year (job seekers allowence ) and bring back national service

also they stupidly made it so C.S.A payments didnt muck up benifits STUPID idea now more mothers wont go back to work even part time

if your child is in school there is no reason you cant work

i have a child and i work fair enuff i work from home but i still bring home a full monthly wage :P

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The NHS has severely lost its way since the heady days of the 1950s when it was heralded as the new way forward in terms of healthcare for all, when they need it, regardless of personal circumstances.

On THAT basis, yes, it needs scrapping altogether, or else, seriously overhauling so that it is unrecognisable from what it is today.

i think benifits shud be paid out in vouchers so people cant spend it in the pubs ... lol ... that wud upset alot of people ... food vouchers for tesco that also dont allow you to buy booze or fags either and the rest paid in vouchers that you can use at the post office and other shops

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"...............

If you have a stroke or heart attack in the middle of the night - try phoning BUPA or the Nuffield and see what they say.

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By *uss PussWoman
over a year ago

east cheshire

If you have a stroke or heart attack in the middle of the night - try phoning BUPA or the Nuffield and see what they say."

"and the long number on the front of the card please" ....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All that does is create a black market in food vouchers.

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By *eaboMan
over a year ago

marden

i personally think the nhs is great. Yes a lot of money is mis-spent but they do an amzing job. Have an accident and they are there, fixing people and saving lives. Feeling crook? See a doctor for free and maybe get transfered to a specialist for free. They delivered all my children, looked after their health, wellbeing and teeth (teeth only till they were working). With the limited resources they have they do an amazing job and i am more than happy to pay my nhs. It's not a perfect system but i fail to see how any one who has children can say they think its wasting their money.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"...............

If you have a stroke or heart attack in the middle of the night - try phoning BUPA or the Nuffield and see what they say."

Um... you still ring 999 for emergency and get taken to the nearest hospital and are treated. Then, once you are stable, and if it is deemed you can be moved, you are taken to a private ward (or wing, or hospital) where your private healthcare kicks in and the NHS bill your insurance company.

That's my understanding of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But surely you appreciate the NHS is MUCH TOO GOOD for common folk

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"But surely you appreciate the NHS is MUCH TOO GOOD for common folk

I'm not concerned with common folk, rich folk, or any other folk. My concerns centre around myself and my family and keeping as much of my hard earned cash in my wallet, not lining the pockets of those who haven't earned it by supplying them with free healthcare, free benefits, food, housing and enough money for a plasma TV, 8 cans of lager a night and holiday to Tenerife once a year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"...............

If you have a stroke or heart attack in the middle of the night - try phoning BUPA or the Nuffield and see what they say.

That's my understanding of it. "

So, in a world where there's no NHS, what happens?

And, when it works in the opposite direction - like Colin Hendry's wife, butchered by a private hospital and dumped on the NHS when little could be done to save her ...........?

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

On THAT basis, yes, it needs scrapping altogether, or else, seriously overhauling so that it is unrecognisable from what it is today.

Ok wishy lets assume your right and it does nothing for you at the moment ,apart from the assumption you will always be in employment which in this day and age is naive and a risky assumption for you ,your wife and kids,what about when you get older ,do you really believe you could afford private health insurance on a pension ?.

I am also confused in that in previous similar threads when you have attacked the unemployed ,you said when you had trouble with your mortgage no one helped you or bailed you out ,you have just said "you have never applied for benefits" ....i am sorry if you do not apply for help you will not qualify no matter what your circumstances.

As regards your "Lazy bone idle kiddie machine " comment,there is ample forecasts out there that as we have an demographic shift and aging population

we actually need as many children born in this country,they need to be educated nurtured and gain employment in real jobs, otherwise both your and my pension may not be affordable .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But surely you appreciate the NHS is MUCH TOO GOOD for common folk

And that attitude, as I pointed out weeks ago, is what makes the difference between those who are only interested in ME & MINE and those who are concerned about US.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"But surely you appreciate the NHS is MUCH TOO GOOD for common folk

so basically its a fuck you culture you believe in then wishy ?

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

Also with Private health insurance the older you get I believe the more the want from you.

You may have been healthy and never spent a day in hospital. Neither had my mother for 68 years. But she then had 6 and a half weeks in an NHS hospital, where unfortunately she died.

Just because you are healthy now does not mean you will continue to be so all your life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

just hate the stupid mps keep saying yehh (that makes no sense) every few secs an then they moan about it after

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Ok wishy lets assume your right and it does nothing for you at the moment ,apart from the assumption you will always be in employment which in this day and age is naive and a risky assumption for you ,your wife and kids,what about when you get older ,do you really believe you could afford private health insurance on a pension ?.

Yup, it's called FORWARD PLANNING. We have planned our finances meticulously to provide a slush fund for the essentials we need now, a growth fund for things we'll need in the medium term, and a long term strategy for when we retire.

I've never been unemployed but there was a time, a few years back, when I took on a mortgage that I shouldn't have done. I was moving around a lot and the house wasn't something I needed but I bought it anyway. My argument, that you have resurrected, was that I didn't expect anyone to bail me out but there wouldn't have been any help even if I had expected it, yet those on long term benefits know EXACTLY how to milk the system to get what they want.

As regards your "Lazy bone idle kiddie machine " comment,there is ample forecasts out there that as we have an demographic shift and aging population

we actually need as many children born in this country,they need to be educated nurtured and gain employment in real jobs, otherwise both your and my pension may not be affordable .

How so? The last govt permitted untold, and unrecorded millions into this country over the past decade. More children born in NHS hospitals are born to non-British parents than at any other time since the NHS was first created.

A forecast does not neccessarily mean that that is what will come to pass. If we could all gaze into the future with spot on accuracy we'd all know what we'd need for the future or not, wouldn't we.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"But surely you appreciate the NHS is MUCH TOO GOOD for common folk

so basically its a fuck you culture you believe in then wishy ?"

To a degree, yes.

I give to charity on a monthly basis but they are of my choosing. We gave on Comic Relief night too, but then we had the choice to give or not.

I hate being forced to hand over my money so that it can be redistributed to lazy assholes who hold out their grubby little paws for it and would still come and burgle my house, or rip me off, if they thought there was yet more free money in it.

I identify with like minded people. People like me who believe in working for the things one wants.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bupa Heartbeat doesn't routinely cover

"Ageing, menopause and puberty

AIDS / HIV‡

Allergies or allergic disorders

Birth control, conception, sexual problems and sex changes‡

Chronic conditions‡

Complications from excluded or restricted conditions / treatment

Contamination, wars and riots

Convalescence, rehabilitation and general nursing care‡

Cosmetic, reconstructive or weight loss treatment‡

Deafness

Dental / oral treatment (such as fillings, gum disease, jaw shrinkage etc)‡

Dialysis‡

Drugs and dressings for out-patient or take-home use‡

Experimental drugs and treatment‡

Treatment to correct eyesight (eg long or short sight)‡

HRT and bone densitometry‡

Intensive care

Learning difficulties, behavioural and developmental problems

Overseas treatment and repatriation

Physical aids and devices‡

Pre-existing or special conditions

Pregnancy and childbirth‡

Screening, monitoring and preventive treatment

Sleep problems and disorders

Speech disorders‡

Telephone consultations

Temporary relief of symptoms‡

Unrecognised providers or facilities"

So, if you're planning on needing any of those ......... look elsewhere.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"But surely you appreciate the NHS is MUCH TOO GOOD for common folk

And that attitude, as I pointed out weeks ago, is what makes the difference between those who are only interested in ME & MINE and those who are concerned about US."

You seem to be under the illusion that I'm a socialist. I'm not. I don't identify with the 'help everyone' culture. I identify with the 'work hard, pay your taxes and try and live happily ever after' culture.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"But surely you appreciate the NHS is MUCH TOO GOOD for common folk

so basically its a fuck you culture you believe in then wishy ?

To a degree, yes.

I give to charity on a monthly basis but they are of my choosing. We gave on Comic Relief night too, but then we had the choice to give or not.

I identify with like minded people. People like me who believe in working for the things one wants."

Those are strong words wishy ,so are the 500,000 just about to be made unemployed or have been recently made unemployed now to be called

" lazy assholes who hold out their grubby little paws for it and would still come and burgle my house, or rip me off, if they thought there was yet more free money in it." ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But surely you appreciate the NHS is MUCH TOO GOOD for common folk

And that attitude, as I pointed out weeks ago, is what makes the difference between those who are only interested in ME & MINE and those who are concerned about US.

I don't see it as socialism - I recognise it as common decency.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"But surely you appreciate the NHS is MUCH TOO GOOD for common folk

And that attitude, as I pointed out weeks ago, is what makes the difference between those who are only interested in ME & MINE and those who are concerned about US.

I don't see it as socialism - I recognise it as common decency."

Dress it up as you will. It still involves fleecing the hard working and giving it to the lazy.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"But surely you appreciate the NHS is MUCH TOO GOOD for common folk

And that attitude, as I pointed out weeks ago, is what makes the difference between those who are only interested in ME & MINE and those who are concerned about US.

I don't see it as socialism - I recognise it as common decency."

i call it Victorian and socially unenlightened ,so wishy ..have you made adequate short -medium and long term provision for all of your loved ones or does this fuck you approach stop at your wife and kids ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just for the avoidance of doubt. I have no problem with folks spending their legimately earned money on whatever they wish - provided it's legal.

Private schools, private healthcare and the like are fine but you don't get to opt out of paying Income Tax and NI contris just because you've made alternative provision.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Osborne's growth figure has been downgraded - that's the shame of the whole thing.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

okay... gone thru some of and there are bits of it i like and dislike

if inflation for the next year is going to run at 4-5% how can he only give public sector workers what basically is a 1% rise.....

the charities bit was nice... but is basically be used to offset what the government is cutting

he gave away to business, gave to motorists, gave to hauliers...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Osborne's growth figure has been downgraded - that's the shame of the whole thing."
same old tories as before

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"Osborne's growth figure has been downgraded - that's the shame of the whole thing.same old tories as before"

the libs are so marginalized,it will be an interesting summer lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can always rely on this forum for a laugh or two and some good cheer towards your fellow man and woman.

Wishy wouldn't it be better if your mate Comedy Dave actually came out and told people straight what you seem to be thinking?

Which appears to be every man for himself and sod anyone who can't look after themselves.

Then we can choose come election time.

Be careful what you wish for though. Not long ago I saw a documentary where Americans were queuing up at 5am in a sports stadium to see a mobile team of doctors. Many of these folks had no access to healthcare at all.

One day you may need the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

most of it is for england not uk in a whole

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"One day you may need the NHS.

So I'm to live in fear of getting ill until that day arrives?

No, I choose to make alternative arrangements now, while I'm healthy. I know I can't opt out of N.I. contribs, nor paying income tax. The crux of this strand of this debate was that I would prefer to see the NHS scrapped and N.I. contribs stopped too.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"most of it is for england not uk in a whole"

Explain please.......

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So, back to the budget...

~ 1p cut in fuel duty plus delay until 2012 of planned 4p/litre rise.

~ Fuel duty escalator scrapped until 2015

~ No rise in alcohol

~ 2% above inflation rise in tobacco

~ No personal tax increases

~ Personal tax allowance to rise a further £630 to £8,015 in April 2012

~ Consultation on long-term plan to merge income tax and National Insurance

~ 50% top rate of tax to remain but review of how much it raises

~ Council tax to be frozen or reduced this year in every English council

~ 10% discount on inheritance tax for people leaving 10% of estate to charity

~ Rise in air passenger duty to be frozen this year

~ Private jet users to pay passenger duty for first time

~ Levy on so-called "non-doms" up to £50,000 for those resident in the UK for 12 years

~ Tax avoidance clampdown to raise £1bn this year

~ Support for families in the south-west of England with water bills

~ Government-backed shared equity scheme to help 10,000 first-time buyers

~ Corporation tax to be cut by 2% in April, not 1% as previously planned

~ Bank levy to be adjusted so banks do not pay less tax as a result

~ 43 tax reliefs to be scrapped as part of simplification of tax code

~ £350m of business regulation to be scrapped

~ No new regulation on firms with fewer than 10 staff for three years

~ Business rate relief holiday for small firms extended for another year

~ New rules to require planners to prioritise growth and jobs

~ £100m funding for science facilities

~ 21 "enterprise zones" to be launched, backed by tax incentives

~ Funding for 12 further university technical colleges

~ 40,000 new apprenticeships for young people out of work

~ Funding for 100,000 work experience placements

~ Long-term aim for £140 a week flat-rate state pension - not to apply to current pensioners

~ £100m for repairing potholes in England

~ £200m support for regional railways in England

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Not totally painfree, but we won't need headache tablets to get through it either. I think it's a fair budget considering the mess we're in at the moment.

Good job George. Nice one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"most of it is for england not uk in a whole

Explain please......."

TRANSPORT

£100m for repairing potholes (in England)

£200m support for regional railways (in England)

21 "enterprise zones" to be created (in England,) backed by tax incentives

never mention a word about scotland

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

Well there you have it a bit of a non event ,

For all the cuts announced borrowing is still predicted to be up by 500 million through term of parliament to 1.35-6 Trillion with borrowing 60% of gdp

Unemployment forecast up (above previous predictions by chancellor)

Growth forecast down.(despite short blip of growth in 3rd quarter of last year)

Is it working ?

......computer says nahhhhh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no other mention for wales or in ireland for that

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"most of it is for england not uk in a whole

Explain please.......

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£100m for repairing potholes (in England)

£200m support for regional railways (in England)

21 "enterprise zones" to be created (in England,) backed by tax incentives

never mention a word about scotland

You couldn't be more wrong......

There is something called the National Personal Subsidy scheme, this is the money paid by Central Government to Regional and County Councils to subsidise the monies raised through local taxation.

In England this amounts to £7,100 per man, woman and child per annum

In Scotland it is a higher subsidy per head of £8,623.

So please don't think for one minute that the Scots are treated worse than the English by Central government.

Exactly the opposite, the average English Taxpayer is subsidising the Scottish Taxpayer by around £1,600 a year.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"most of it is for england not uk in a whole

Explain please.......

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£100m for repairing potholes (in England)

£200m support for regional railways (in England)

21 "enterprise zones" to be created (in England,) backed by tax incentives

never mention a word about scotland

i might be wrong but isnt that stuff covered by Scottish parliament and welsh assembly . I know the snp announced no introduction of student fees so it seems they are handling where they spend

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"most of it is for england not uk in a whole

Explain please.......

TRANSPORT

£100m for repairing potholes (in England)

£200m support for regional railways (in England)

21 "enterprise zones" to be created (in England,) backed by tax incentives

never mention a word about scotland

You couldn't be more wrong......

There is something called the National Personal Subsidy scheme, this is the money paid by Central Government to Regional and County Councils to subsidise the monies raised through local taxation.

In England this amounts to £7,100 per man, woman and child per annum

In Scotland it is a higher subsidy per head of £8,623.

So please don't think for one minute that the Scots are treated worse than the English by Central government.

Exactly the opposite, the average English Taxpayer is subsidising the Scottish Taxpayer by around £1,600 a year."
i only go bye what was said never mention scotland or wales an ireland at the time

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"no other mention for wales or in ireland for that "

Wales Personal Subsidy is £8,139 per head from Central government, in Northern Ireland it's a whopping £9,385.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I got my wishes re apprenticeshsips and more new technical colleges for the young.

Never thought I'd see the day when Northern Ireland would become a tax haven!! Businesses won't take their business there they will use it to redistribute their profits and avoid paying rest of uk tax rates.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Well I got my wishes re apprenticeshsips and more new technical colleges for the young.

The trouble is the Tories removed the Education Maintenance Assistance grant and the youngsters won't be able to afford to go to the new Technical College.

Cannot believe he reduced Corporation Tax in Northern Ireland to below that of the mainland, that means even more subsidised employment in the Province....at the expense of jobs in England, Wales and Scotland.....AGAIN!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same old..same old ....not much he could do really ..its the taxpayer still bailing out the financial fuck fest of speculative financial markets,who fucked over the poor with sub prime as an example..

State mismanagement in creating a housing bubble coupled with deregulation and encouraging huge debt..I hope the FSA keep ensuring it can`t happen again ..

Tory Blair and Thatcher just as bad as each other...

I get 1p of ltr of petrol bankrolled of North Sea oil profits .....a national crime that such wealth was squandered ...should of been The United Kingdom Oil Company...

To quote Jury ..what a waste..

Low growth for another 2 years sounds painful ..

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over a year ago

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"Same old..same old ....not much he could do really ..its the taxpayer still bailing out the financial fuck fest of speculative financial markets,who fucked over the poor with sub prime as an example..

State mismanagement in creating a housing bubble coupled with deregulation and encouraging huge debt..I hope the FSA keep ensuring it can`t happen again ..

Tory Blair and Thatcher just as bad as each other...

I get 1p of ltr of petrol bankrolled of North Sea oil profits .....a national crime that such wealth was squandered ...should of been The United Kingdom Oil Company...

To quote Jury ..what a waste..

Low growth for another 2 years sounds painful ..

I totaly agree re n.sea oil Tony Benn begged them to ring fence it from tax income for the benefit of purely improving infrastructure for generations to come.

But they saw it as a long term

vote winner.

Still all those work experience places will be good ...for the owners of companies ,no need to employ anyone in unskilled jobs anymore lol,exactly same policy the Tories had in the 80s

So are they saying all the young kids are unemployed because they have no work experience ? lol

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over a year ago

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State mismanagement in creating a housing bubble coupled with deregulation and encouraging huge debt..I hope the FSA keep ensuring it can`t happen again ..

Tory Blair and Thatcher just as bad as each other...

I get 1p of ltr of petrol bankrolled of North Sea oil profits .....a national crime that such wealth was squandered ...should of been The United Kingdom Oil Company...

To quote Jury ..what a waste..

Low growth for another 2 years sounds painful ..

I totaly agree re n.sea oil Tony Benn begged them to ring fence it from tax income for the benefit of purely improving infrastructure for generations to come.

But they saw it as a long term

vote winner.

Still all those work experience places will be good ...for the owners of companies ,no need to employ anyone in unskilled jobs anymore lol,exactly same policy the Tories had in the 80s

So are they saying all the young kids are unemployed because they have no work experience ? lol

It's YTS all over again.....akin in many cases in the Eighties to sending

children up chimneys.

I won't be taking any of these poor buggers on in my business, if I have an opening for a new member of staff I would prefer to take them on with proper wages and conditions....and a REAL expectation of an ongoing job with me and not just a stop gap.

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oh gawd........bring in what didn't work last time and have people working for buttons !

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"Still all those work experience places will be good ...for the owners of companies ,no need to employ anyone in unskilled jobs anymore lol,exactly same policy the Tories had in the 80s

So are they saying all the young kids are unemployed because they have no work experience ? lol

It's YTS all over again.....akin in many cases in the Eighties to sending

children up chimneys.

Poor buggers just idle on benefits then? Yeah some will exploit anyone to avoid paying decent wages. Adults are being exploited by companies every day of the week.

I wasn't paid to go to college or thought it was beneath me to take a low paid office juniors job. I wanted to work my way up. I worked for some crap compaines but looked around for better ones while I trained. Leaving school and doing nothing was considered lazy and worthless. I handed my pay packet over to my mam on a Thursday and she gave me back my bus fares and a bit of pocket money. So I contributed to the workforce and to my famil and learned skills along the way. Including making the tea and cleaning up. Too many self centred school leavers want it all handed on a plate. Spoiled brats. Perhaps they should start teaching community spirit and family values in school again and monitoring unscrupulous bosses.

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over a year ago

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State mismanagement in creating a housing bubble coupled with deregulation and encouraging huge debt..I hope the FSA keep ensuring it can`t happen again ..

Tory Blair and Thatcher just as bad as each other...

I get 1p of ltr of petrol bankrolled of North Sea oil profits .....a national crime that such wealth was squandered ...should of been The United Kingdom Oil Company...

To quote Jury ..what a waste..

Low growth for another 2 years sounds painful ..

I totaly agree re n.sea oil Tony Benn begged them to ring fence it from tax income for the benefit of purely improving infrastructure for generations to come.

But they saw it as a long term

vote winner.

Still all those work experience places will be good ...for the owners of companies ,no need to employ anyone in unskilled jobs anymore lol,exactly same policy the Tories had in the 80s

So are they saying all the young kids are unemployed because they have no work experience ? lol

It's YTS all over again.....akin in many cases in the Eighties to sending

children up chimneys.

Well said !!!!

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State mismanagement in creating a housing bubble coupled with deregulation and encouraging huge debt..I hope the FSA keep ensuring it can`t happen again ..

Tory Blair and Thatcher just as bad as each other...

I get 1p of ltr of petrol bankrolled of North Sea oil profits .....a national crime that such wealth was squandered ...should of been The United Kingdom Oil Company...

To quote Jury ..what a waste..

Low growth for another 2 years sounds painful ..

I totaly agree re n.sea oil Tony Benn begged them to ring fence it from tax income for the benefit of purely improving infrastructure for generations to come.

But they saw it as a long term

vote winner.

Still all those work experience places will be good ...for the owners of companies ,no need to employ anyone in unskilled jobs anymore lol,exactly same policy the Tories had in the 80s

So are they saying all the young kids are unemployed because they have no work experience ? lol

Yeah Benn had good views in using the wealth from N.S oil to provide long term manufacturing wealth creating industries....I can`t imagine Japan or Germany fucking it up quite so badly ....we deserve a better political class...

I`m ambivelant regarding the work experience ...we are where we are ...no jobs or prospect fer them ....it would be better fer the youngsters self esteem to be productive ....learning the basics ....than a dismotivating hang around on street corners ....I feel disturbed that we could face another lost generation of youth ..no jobs and an education system that harder to access and a society that seems to be fragmenting with cuts ....seems we`ve failed em again eh ...

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over a year ago

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"Ot's looking like Mr Osbourne is going to deliver a hard, but fair budget today.

The previously planned rise in fuel duty being scrapped is also welcome, which will assist hauliers and private motorists alike. Another plus for George.

Good on ya George, keep it up pal. "
you are david cameron and i claim my £5 pounds

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over a year ago

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"oh gawd........bring in what didn't work last time and have people working for buttons !"

It is simply another Thatcheresque attempt to fiddle the unemployment figures, they did the self same thing in the Eighties....when unemployment started to spiral out of control they took 600,000 unemployed people off the dole and hid them on Invalidity Benefit (later changed to Incapacity Benfit by John Major).

The cost went up, but the important thing to the government of the day was that they were not 'unemployed' anymore.

This was joined by the original Youth Training Scheme (YTS), which saw 16 and 17 year olds thrust not into accredited apprenticeships but cheap labour... so called 'on the job' training schemes where less than 20% came out the other end with a job.

Employers found it impossible to get liability insurance for these YTS kids in many cases and it resulted in many instances of kids being hurt without any form of cover.

The ironic thing is just a few months after announcing the end of EMA grants the government will have to re-introduce the grants under another name so these YTS kids can attend these schemes.

It's all spin

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Exactly what you say, Employers used the YTS for however many months they needed to as very cheap paying slaves....not many seemed to end up with jobs out of it and ended up back on the Dole waiting for the next YTS

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"Exactly what you say, Employers used the YTS for however many months they needed to as very cheap paying slaves....not many seemed to end up with jobs out of it and ended up back on the Dole waiting for the next YTS

one of my relatives got into a job through this and has been working ever since.

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My boys left school and went on YTS schemes - crap pay and some crap conditions. Better first step than hanging around doing nothing. Anything that instills a work routine of getting out of bed is better than nothing. Its the social aspect of being in a working environment too that gives you an insight to the real world and what can be achieved.

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my partner started his YTS in 1988....1 year later got a full time job with same employer...subsequent promotions led to a managerial position by 2000.

from £30 quid a week at 16 to 30k a year by 28 aint too bad

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over a year ago

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one of my relatives got into a job through this and has been working ever since."

Then they bucked the trend, because it was eventually dropped because the schemes that resulted in full time employment were less than One in Five.

There is a better way, one that has been proposed by the Federation of Small Businesses.

Approach firms that have less than Five employees, persuade them to take on a trainee for a minimum of 25 hours a week for a minimum of 52 weeks.

Pay these trainees £5 an hour, half met by the employer and half by the government....at the end of the 52 weeks if the trainee is offered a contract of employment the small business gets a one off payment of £1500 or half of what they paid out in the first year wages of the trainee.

I would take one tomorrow on that basis, but I will never take on a YTS as it akin to slave labour.

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I will change my comment to....not many I know.

Obviously there are going to some about who did.

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over a year ago

Hopefuly the reduction of corporation tax will help business and jobs..and a cutting of red tape a bane of my last business..but a lack of disposable income ain`t helping..people are saving ...wheels keep turning...decade after decade....

Some good news fer me ...just taken a phone call..I start a new job on Monday morning ....perseverance has paid of at last ...phew!!..

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one of my relatives got into a job through this and has been working ever since.

Then they bucked the trend, because it was eventually dropped because the schemes that resulted in full time employment were less than One in Five.

There is a better way, one that has been proposed by the Federation of Small Businesses.

Approach firms that have less than Five employees, persuade them to take on a trainee for a minimum of 25 hours a week for a minimum of 52 weeks.

I would take one tomorrow on that basis, but I will never take on a YTS as it akin to slave labour."

I'm sorry but its just an assumption that these new apprenticeships are going to be like the old YTS schemes based on you saying so in a previous thread. 'its YTS' all over again and now everyone is taking it is read thats how it is going to be.

How can you know? Its not in place yet. If you can think of better schemes and know YTS failed one in 5 then they will have same info and will have something in place. Its one of those wait and see things and not cast in stone its a repeat of YTS.

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over a year ago

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Because there there were Two references to Youth training in the budget....the first was to increase current apprenticeships by an additional 40,000 places over the next Four years with another 10,000 'High Level' apprenticeships over Four years.

The Second was an all new 'Work Experience' scheme, where 100,000 16 and 17 year olds would be 'encouraged' to undergo work experience with businesses during the next two years.

'Work Experience'...Osbournes words not mine. The last time we started such a scheme in the UK was in 1980/81 under Thatcher

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I fail to see how you can get the message of training the young into a speech without using the words youth and training and schemes. Just because its worded that way doesnt mean its going to be the same system named YTS in the 80's.

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Because we have had the DWP and Connexions Direct trying to sell this to our Chamber of Commerce and FSB meetings over the last Three months.

They have been planning this for some time, when I took my last employee on from Job Centre Plus they eluded to this coming in and asked if I may be interested if it was brought to fruition.

Osbourne never worked this out last night on the back of a fag packet.

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over a year ago

" I know the snp announced no introduction of student fees so it seems they are handling where they spend "

A vote winner for Alex Salmond??

He knows full well that Uni fees in Scotland are an inevitability, he's just trying to stave them off for as long as he can get away with it. He'll buy Scottish votes for his continued First Ministerialship and when he has that in the bag he'll say Whitehall has forced his hand and Scottish Unis now have to charge. Mark my words.

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"Because there there were Two references to Youth training in the budget....the first was to increase current apprenticeships by an additional 40,000 places over the next Four years with another 10,000 'High Level' apprenticeships over Four years.

The Second was an all new 'Work Experience' scheme, where 100,000 16 and 17 year olds would be 'encouraged' to undergo work experience with businesses during the next two years.

'Work Experience'...Osbournes words not mine. The last time we started such a scheme in the UK was in 1980/81 under Thatcher"

Work it out Jane sweetheart. I have a lot of respect for you as you argue well without getting personal.

Under Labour all kids were told they were equal and deserved a crack at Uni, but the reality is that they're not. Some thrive in an academic environment and go on to be our new leaders in commerce. Other kids are not so good with the rigours and structure of academia but excel in the world of learning a craft and making it work.

The apprenticeship scheme is one I've long argued for the return of, having lost out to an electronic apprenticeship when I was 17 (I got two letters on the same day, one said well done - you're in, the other said we're dismantling our apprenticship scheme so you're out.) Tough, but that's life.

Having been dragged up on a sink estate I'vr seen many of my friends make successes of themselves through sheer hard graft, and those guys know the real value of employing a savvy kid who isn't so smart with a pen but can read a tape measure in the flick of an eye and know what's what and how to get the job done.

Priceless.

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"Because we have had the DWP and Connexions Direct trying to sell this to our Chamber of Commerce and FSB meetings over the last Three months.

They have been planning this for some time, when I took my last employee on from Job Centre Plus they eluded to this coming in and asked if I may be interested if it was brought to fruition.

Osbourne never worked this out last night on the back of a fag packet.

I dont suppose any proposal is worked out this way by Osbourne or anyone else in power. In putting it to various bodies they get feedback. I have no evidence in front of me to confirm or deny what you say. Ill wait and see what the proposals and working practices are for myself before I form an opinion on its success and workability, while taking yours and others personal opinion onboard as I always do.

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"I fail to see how you can get the message of training the young into a speech without using the words youth and training and schemes. Just because its worded that way doesnt mean its going to be the same system named YTS in the 80's."
was thinking that

an those course i went threw in the 80s never help me

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

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"oh gawd........bring in what didn't work last time and have people working for buttons !

The cost went up, but the important thing to the government of the day was that they were not 'unemployed' anymore.

Employers found it impossible to get liability insurance for these YTS kids in many cases and it resulted in many instances of kids being hurt without any form of cover.

The ironic thing is just a few months after announcing the end of EMA grants the government will have to re-introduce the grants under another name so these YTS kids can attend these schemes.

It's all spin"

The never learn do they the Tories this is the 3rd time they have trotted this out the first time it was called YTS in 1973 when Ted Heath created the Manpower Services Commission..

It didn't work then,it didn't work in the 80's so what makes them think it will work again now.

I am grateful they tossed Dave 2 a bone tho and put the personal tax allowance up, But all those extra hands for nothing and paid for by the Gvmt ,i got a feeling the rich will be rubbing there hands tonight,i can imagine em now ...."hmmm who can i let go and replace with a YTS kid for a year".

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"most of it is for england not uk in a whole

Explain please.......

TRANSPORT

£100m for repairing potholes (in England)

£200m support for regional railways (in England)

21 "enterprise zones" to be created (in England,) backed by tax incentives

never mention a word about scotland

i might be wrong but isnt that stuff covered by Scottish parliament and welsh assembly . I know the snp announced no introduction of student fees so it seems they are handling where they spend "

That's just about right. The Barnett Formula and something called Barnett Consequentials send a % of funding allocated in England (or England and Wales, depending on the subject) to Scotland to cover the additional costs of running a heavily rural and island economy.

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over a year ago

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The Second was an all new 'Work Experience' scheme, where 100,000 16 and 17 year olds would be 'encouraged' to undergo work experience with businesses during the next two years.

'Work Experience'...Osbournes words not mine. The last time we started such a scheme in the UK was in 1980/81 under Thatcher

Work it out Jane sweetheart. I have a lot of respect for you as you argue well without getting personal.

Priceless.

We are not discussing the merits of the very worthwhile Apprenticeship scheme, it's the 'Work Experience' scheme that is being touted as 'Work Shadowing' by the DWP which worries many employers.

If it is anything like the old YTS scheme, and it looks very much like it is, then it is a license for unscrupulous employers to cheaply employ school and college leavers for a pittance.

Apprenticeships are tied into a learning programme that will ensure a qualification for the apprentice upon completion, that they can take forward into worthwhile employment.

'Work Experience' or 'Work Shadowing' means cheap 'Go-For's' for iffy businesses like it was the first time around.

That's what is being eluded to by Job Centre Plus and Connexions.

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The never learn do they the Tories this is the 3rd time they have trotted this out the first time it was called YTS in 1973 when Ted Heath created the Manpower Services Commission..

It didn't work then,it didn't work in the 80's so what makes them think it will work again now.

Governments don't ruin schemes its attitudes like this that advocate exploitation of the young. Personal greed by employers cheating the systems ruins most things.

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over a year ago

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Anyway...home time for me now.

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The never learn do they the Tories this is the 3rd time they have trotted this out the first time it was called YTS in 1973 when Ted Heath created the Manpower Services Commission..

It didn't work then,it didn't work in the 80's so what makes them think it will work again now.

Governments don't ruin schemes its attitudes like this that advocate exploitation of the young. Personal greed by employers cheating the systems ruins most things."

It's the real world.....Give someone a gun and load it for them....

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"most of it is for england not uk in a whole

Explain please.......

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£100m for repairing potholes (in England)

£200m support for regional railways (in England)

21 "enterprise zones" to be created (in England,) backed by tax incentives

never mention a word about scotland

You couldn't be more wrong......

There is something called the National Personal Subsidy scheme, this is the money paid by Central Government to Regional and County Councils to subsidise the monies raised through local taxation.

In England this amounts to £7,100 per man, woman and child per annum

In Scotland it is a higher subsidy per head of £8,623.

So please don't think for one minute that the Scots are treated worse than the English by Central government.

Exactly the opposite, the average English Taxpayer is subsidising the Scottish Taxpayer by around £1,600 a year."

It's not quite as straightforward as being a 'so much per person' subsidy, even though that's how it looks.

It's been accepted for years that running a rural and island economy is proportionately more expensive than running (say) the south east of England. That's incredibly unfair to the more rural areas of England like the extreme south west and Cumber/Northumberland but it's how it works for now.

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over a year ago

" it was called YTS in 1973 when Ted Heath created the Manpower Services Commission..

It didn't work then,it didn't work in the 80's so what makes them think it will work again now.

...i can imagine em now ...."hmmm who can i let go and replace with a YTS kid for a year".

So does the YTS scheme exist or not?

Does the Manpower Services Commission exist, or not?

Or do we have a govt addressing TODAY'S needs with a potential solution that might work TODAY?

Shoot a guy down if it doesn't work, sure, but to shoot him down on the basis that a different set of economics existed 20 years ago to a different generation is a tad short sighted and somewhat indoctrinal of how you really think.

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"So, back to the budget...

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Not totally painfree, but we won't need headache tablets to get through it either. I think it's a fair budget considering the mess we're in at the moment.

Good job George. Nice one.

Wait till the Red Book stuff - the stuff he couldn't bear to announce comes out.

It's called the Red Book 'cos that's where all the bloodshed is.

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over a year ago

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"most of it is for england not uk in a whole

Explain please.......

TRANSPORT

£100m for repairing potholes (in England)

£200m support for regional railways (in England)

21 "enterprise zones" to be created (in England,) backed by tax incentives

never mention a word about scotland

You couldn't be more wrong......

There is something called the National Personal Subsidy scheme, this is the money paid by Central Government to Regional and County Councils to subsidise the monies raised through local taxation.

In England this amounts to £7,100 per man, woman and child per annum

In Scotland it is a higher subsidy per head of £8,623.

So please don't think for one minute that the Scots are treated worse than the English by Central government.

Exactly the opposite, the average English Taxpayer is subsidising the Scottish Taxpayer by around £1,600 a year.

It's not quite as straightforward as being a 'so much per person' subsidy, even though that's how it looks.

yes the rural areas are now becoming like the dispossessed due to the higher costs of fuel etc and to some extent prices pushed up due to second home-initus

Cant think what the answer is except to fund councils higher, according to the proportion of rural areas,but they may be doing that already ?

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over a year ago

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"So, back to the budget...

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Not totally painfree, but we won't need headache tablets to get through it either. I think it's a fair budget considering the mess we're in at the moment.

Good job George. Nice one.

Wait till the Red Book stuff - the stuff he couldn't bear to announce comes out.

It's called the Red Book 'cos that's where all the bloodshed is."

lol

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over a year ago

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1p off a litre, gr8 , i!ll go down the next garage and save 2p! as its a 1p cheaper there

...................what a joke!!!!!

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" I know the snp announced no introduction of student fees so it seems they are handling where they spend

A vote winner for Alex Salmond??

The old Nick Clegg trick, eh?

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over a year ago

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"1p off a litre, gr8 , i!ll go down the next garage and save 2p! as its a 1p cheaper there

...................what a joke!!!!!

Until that is the petrol companies put it up a penny or more.

Worth remembering as well that Osbourne put 3p a litre on fuel overnight when he increased VAT to 20%.

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I don't give a stuff to be honest, nothing i can do about these things. They are done, signed, sealed and delivered..

Ignorance is bliss

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"So, back to the budget...

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Not totally painfree, but we won't need headache tablets to get through it either. I think it's a fair budget considering the mess we're in at the moment.

Good job George. Nice one.

Wait till the Red Book stuff - the stuff he couldn't bear to announce comes out.

It's called the Red Book 'cos that's where all the bloodshed is."

The Devil is in the detail...

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yes the rural areas are now becoming like the dispossessed due to the higher costs of fuel etc and to some extent prices pushed up due to second home-initus

Cant think what the answer is except to fund councils higher, according to the proportion of rural areas,but they may be doing that already ? "

That's the trouble. There's a virtual Council Tax freeze with penalties for those who increase it.

The Lib Dems supposedly have a plan to reduce fuel costs in Highland and Island areas where, surprisingly enough, are mostly Lib Dem voting areas.

The Gnats did the same thing with transport costs for the Western Isles where, guess what - there are SNP MPs.

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"I don't give a stuff to be honest, nothing i can do about these things. They are done, signed, sealed and delivered..

Not by a long shot. Budget Bill votes can take weeks and weeks and may even stretch beyond the May 5th local and devolved assembly elections.

The Lib Dems may get a rude awakening and have to mend their ways.

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"1p off a litre, gr8 , i!ll go down the next garage and save 2p! as its a 1p cheaper there

...................what a joke!!!!!

Until that is the petrol companies put it up a penny or more.

Worth remembering as well that Osbourne put 3p a litre on fuel overnight when he increased VAT to 20%.

Shhhhh! Osborne has pulled the wool over some folks eyes and they haven't noticed yet.

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over a year ago

" I know the snp announced no introduction of student fees so it seems they are handling where they spend

A vote winner for Alex Salmond??

The old Nick Clegg trick, eh?"

Persactly.

The Libs are finished. They lied to the youngsters experiencing their first election and that will take a generation to erase.

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over a year ago

"1p off a litre, gr8 , i!ll go down the next garage and save 2p! as its a 1p cheaper there

...................what a joke!!!!!

Until that is the petrol companies put it up a penny or more.

Worth remembering as well that Osbourne put 3p a litre on fuel overnight when he increased VAT to 20%.

Shhhhh! Osborne has pulled the wool over some folks eyes and they haven't noticed yet."

He could, of course, put it UP.

A penny off now, 4p not put on in April, that's 5p less than we would have been paying in two weeks time. I'm sure the oil companies will fuck us royally pretending they haven't heard the budget but hey ho, you could always protest with your feet eh?

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over a year ago

Begger it, I'm going to the job centre tomorrow for an emergency loan, I'm gonna need a few beers after that budget, might get a couple of blueray films too. Haha

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over a year ago

Begger it, I'm going to the job centre tomorrow for an emergency loan, I'm gonna need a few beers after that budget, might get a couple of blueray films too. Haha

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over a year ago

"So, back to the budget...

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Not totally painfree, but we won't need headache tablets to get through it either. I think it's a fair budget considering the mess we're in at the moment.

Good job George. Nice one.

Wait till the Red Book stuff - the stuff he couldn't bear to announce comes out.

It's called the Red Book 'cos that's where all the bloodshed is.

The Devil is in the detail..."

Speaking of detail ..........

Osborne has betrayed pensioners after it turns out he's cutting the winter fuel allowance despite rising utility prices.

The National Pensioners’ Convention branded the move “absolutely outrageous”. It will mean payments for under-80s will fall from £250 to £200 and for over-80s from £400 to £300.

Pensioners. That's Fab members Mums, Dads, Grannies and Grampas condemned to freeze at home whilst Osborne tucks into the apres ski in Klosters.

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over a year ago

"So, back to the budget...

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Not totally painfree, but we won't need headache tablets to get through it either. I think it's a fair budget considering the mess we're in at the moment.

Good job George. Nice one.

Wait till the Red Book stuff - the stuff he couldn't bear to announce comes out.

It's called the Red Book 'cos that's where all the bloodshed is.

The Devil is in the detail...

Speaking of detail ..........

Osborne has betrayed pensioners after it turns out he's cutting the winter fuel allowance despite rising utility prices.

The National Pensioners’ Convention branded the move “absolutely outrageous”. It will mean payments for under-80s will fall from £250 to £200 and for over-80s from £400 to £300.

Pensioners. That's Fab members Mums, Dads, Grannies and Grampas condemned to freeze at home whilst Osborne tucks into the apres ski in Klosters."

This would be the TEMPORARY extra £50 (£100 for over-80s) that was introduced in 2008, yes?

Temporary is a funny old word, it means that it isn't PERMANENT.

So George hasn't cut the WFP at all, he's simply removed the temporary part of it. Align the WFP with the cold weather allowance and I'm sure we won't see our dear old mums, dads, grannies and grandpas freezing to death - but thanks for the alarmist spin on it.

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over a year ago

"So, back to the budget...

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Not totally painfree, but we won't need headache tablets to get through it either. I think it's a fair budget considering the mess we're in at the moment.

Good job George. Nice one.

Wait till the Red Book stuff - the stuff he couldn't bear to announce comes out.

It's called the Red Book 'cos that's where all the bloodshed is.

The Devil is in the detail...

Speaking of detail ..........

Osborne has betrayed pensioners after it turns out he's cutting the winter fuel allowance despite rising utility prices.

The National Pensioners’ Convention branded the move “absolutely outrageous”. It will mean payments for under-80s will fall from £250 to £200 and for over-80s from £400 to £300.

Pensioners. That's Fab members Mums, Dads, Grannies and Grampas condemned to freeze at home whilst Osborne tucks into the apres ski in Klosters.

This would be the TEMPORARY extra £50 (£100 for over-80s) that was introduced in 2008, yes?

Temporary is a funny old word, it means that it isn't PERMANENT.

Allowances are all, by their very nature, temporary. No government can bind its successor.

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By *oantrimcpl2010Couple
over a year ago

Lisburn

ok in short i dont follow politics ... never have and prob never will... and the reason i dont understand it, yes some may say im stupid but i dont really care, i pay tax and national insurance, get health care and dental care so do my children so im happy with that.. hubby has tried to explain a few times to me but even he has given up... im happy in my world

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"So, back to the budget...

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Not totally painfree, but we won't need headache tablets to get through it either. I think it's a fair budget considering the mess we're in at the moment.

Good job George. Nice one.

Wait till the Red Book stuff - the stuff he couldn't bear to announce comes out.

It's called the Red Book 'cos that's where all the bloodshed is.

The Devil is in the detail...

Speaking of detail ..........

Osborne has betrayed pensioners after it turns out he's cutting the winter fuel allowance despite rising utility prices.

The National Pensioners’ Convention branded the move “absolutely outrageous”. It will mean payments for under-80s will fall from £250 to £200 and for over-80s from £400 to £300.

Pensioners. That's Fab members Mums, Dads, Grannies and Grampas condemned to freeze at home whilst Osborne tucks into the apres ski in Klosters.

This would be the TEMPORARY extra £50 (£100 for over-80s) that was introduced in 2008, yes?

Temporary is a funny old word, it means that it isn't PERMANENT.

Call it what you like temporary or permanent!!!,but 9 people in this country per hour died last winter of hypothermia due to the energy price increases to cut the allowance means it will kill even more this year.It was definately against the lib protfolio so this is definitely the tories getting stuck into the elderly and people at risk,course it never entered there head to impose a windfall tax on the petrol companies raking it in .....Same old tories ,fuck the poor.

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