FabSwingers.com forum: Brexit - who feels as though it was miss sold?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

That and as he observed from earlier this morning, it seems to have fallen to Boris to take all the flack, for something that really Farage pushed for and got - in a very rushed manner, lets face it, Farage used the refugee crisis to push for an early referendum very hard. He actually refered to Farage as a free rider in this regard.

Both my uncle and his wife said they were trying to be optimistic. But considering both had meetings this morning over the future of the companies they are working for in regards to how they will operate after the leave, settlement is arranged, they are struggling to believe they made the right decision.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career.

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By *omersetfun15Couple
over a year ago

bridgwater

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career. "

Look beyond the eu which is corrupt and bankrupt anyway.look towards asia and south america for your future be an imigrant

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career.

Look beyond the eu which is corrupt and bankrupt anyway.look towards asia and south america for your future be an imigrant"

That is all fine and dandy in regards to you thinking that the EU is corrupt - not denying that to some extent. Though look at Latin and South American governments right now, and the leave campaign, and the government of China, Vietnam, and Singapore in terms of corruption in Asian governments.

In addition, bar Hong Kong, Singapore and Tokyo, not many asian countries are pro-immigration.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

to simply put it both sides promised things they would never keep to both sides lied Both sides are corrupt although remain more so.

people voted the way they have for the bigger picture.

the EU is just as corrupt if not more so than countries that are outside it. it also a failing ideal laid by the unelected Elite.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career.

Look beyond the eu which is corrupt and bankrupt anyway.look towards asia and south america for your future be an imigrant"

Trite and inaccurate

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

No not at all i voted leave same as quite a lot of people i know, no regrets at all its what we always wanted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like millions of voters, I stand by my decision to vote leave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is better to be part of eu which can be improved, than to dance with the devil in the dark by leaving.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you will find most leave voters wont admit they got it all wrong and was very badly fooled but good luck with ur quest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is a massive market out there enough for everyone to deal with, without being vetoed in who and what you can trade in.

EU was getting stale and time to change and renew, people need to regain thier spirit of adventure.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"There is a massive market out there enough for everyone to deal with, without being vetoed in who and what you can trade in.

EU was getting stale and time to change and renew, people need to regain thier spirit of adventure.

Yet we only have 3 people within Britain who have the legal right to, and the experience to broker and edit trade deals with other nations. Lets remember now that those 3 people will have to be involved in the EU renegotiations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think you will find most leave voters wont admit they got it all wrong and was very badly fooled but good luck with ur quest

same can be said for remain voters

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Einstein once said, Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

We have tried re-negotiating with the eu and working with it but got nowhere. What makes people think it would change if we tried again is beyond me..

I have been for out all along, i still stand by my decision.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think you will find most leave voters wont admit they got it all wrong and was very badly fooled but good luck with ur quest

same can be said for remain voters

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it seems some people have missed whats actually going on in the country since Friday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reality is new trade deals will be made but it's not gona be the UK in the driving seat just the same as it was in the EU China India the US all have bigger economies than the UK and there currencies and political climate is stable they are not gona be the one running to the UK asking for a deal it's gona be the other way around so I'm sure you can work out who is gona be dictating the terms and conditions on those deals

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Einstein once said, Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

We have tried re-negotiating with the eu and working with it but got nowhere. What makes people think it would change if we tried again is beyond me..

I have been for out all along, i still stand by my decision."

But may I ask, do you know the ratio of EU regulations we opposed in comparison to what we agreed with?

I remember been invested in the negotiations over fishing regulations and science funding. Britain requested any fishing in the North and Irish sea was more regulated in order to preserve fish stocks which are still recovering as a result of us over fishing them in he 1950's and 60's, and we requested more funding for science to be done in the UK as we have a larger population and one of the highest numbers of young people studying in those areas. As a result we got it, as a result jobs were created and more business was drawn in, more investment.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The reality is new trade deals will be made but it's not gona be the UK in the driving seat just the same as it was in the EU China India the US all have bigger economies than the UK and there currencies and political climate is stable they are not gona be the one running to the UK asking for a deal it's gona be the other way around so I'm sure you can work out who is gona be dictating the terms and conditions on those deals "

I agree.

I'm just trying to be optimistic and pray we get our act together in the next 6 months so we might actually be stable and have some clout behind us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Like millions of voters, I stand by my decision to vote leave."

Same here and glad we did .

Don't feel it was miss sold at all

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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)

A politician not telling the whole truth.. spinning a story ...

Whatever next guys on the internet telling everyone they've 10" cocks..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game. "

Your uncle and his wife sound incredibly niave and should probably avoid voting in future.

A voter feeling manipulated by a politician is like a punter upset because he thought a prostitute wanted him for his personality.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

Your uncle and his wife sound incredibly niave and should probably avoid voting in future.

A voter feeling manipulated by a politician is like a punter upset because he thought a prostitute wanted him for his personality. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

Your uncle and his wife sound incredibly niave and should probably avoid voting in future.

A voter feeling manipulated by a politician is like a punter upset because he thought a prostitute wanted him for his personality. "
that's another thing prostitution will become a lot more expensive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career. "

I wouldn't say over a million votes is a small margin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are "Mis-sold" or rather lied to at every election. You just have to hope you see through enough bull shit to make the best decision.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career.

I wouldn't say over a million votes is a small margin "
I disagree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

Your uncle and his wife sound incredibly niave and should probably avoid voting in future.

A voter feeling manipulated by a politician is like a punter upset because he thought a prostitute wanted him for his personality. that's another thing prostitution will become a lot more expensive

Then I guess fab membership will soar and business will boom here. There's a winner for every loser.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career.

I wouldn't say over a million votes is a small margin I disagree "

Tell that to the people, who clearly voted out

Simply put remain camp are childish - vote didn't go their way so toys are being thrown out of the pram

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

Your uncle and his wife sound incredibly niave and should probably avoid voting in future.

A voter feeling manipulated by a politician is like a punter upset because he thought a prostitute wanted him for his personality. that's another thing prostitution will become a lot more expensive

Then I guess fab membership will soar and business will boom here. There's a winner for every loser. "
only if we can afford the membership fee of course

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career.

I wouldn't say over a million votes is a small margin I disagree

Tell that to the people, who clearly voted out

Simply put remain camp are childish - vote didn't go their way so toys are being thrown out of the pram

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this old chestnut is well spent by now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lol how bogus is all this' I voted out.....but wish I hadn't,maybe!' First off people can 'say' how they voted,but is that how they voted? Somebody somewhere,told me something the other day n they were talking shite too,votes in,been counted end of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope id still vote leave..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career.

I wouldn't say over a million votes is a small margin "

Tbh it is proportionally to the actual population of Britain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The same people who got miss sold PPI.... My mate once bought a car from a guy in a lay-by that was well miss sold, and those folks who've won the Nigerian lottery.... Miss sold!.

Some folks will be miss sold anything, thankfully there in the minority but there's a case in all these for see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil mentality

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By *carlet_heavenWoman
over a year ago

somewhere in the sticks

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

Your uncle and his wife sound incredibly niave and should probably avoid voting in future.

A voter feeling manipulated by a politician is like a punter upset because he thought a prostitute wanted him for his personality. that's another thing prostitution will become a lot more expensive

Then I guess fab membership will soar and business will boom here. There's a winner for every loser. "

How will a fab 'boom' benefit our economy !?! -everything is free here

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By *carlet_heavenWoman
over a year ago

somewhere in the sticks

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career.

I wouldn't say over a million votes is a small margin

Tbh it is proportionally to the actual population of Britain. "

Yes- approx 1/60 th of the population & 1/30th of those that voted

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

Tell your uncle not to worry about "Boris taking the flak" ;

Boris changed to BREXIT, in his own interests, because he knew it was his best route to becoming PM.

And Boris is going very well this morning, distancing himself from BREXIT, and reassuring remainers that actually hardly anything will change.

In preparation, for telling the electorate in a few months, that actually, we aren't going to leave.

Only thing that will stop Boris, is the "Anyone But Boris" (ABB) group in the Tories

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope id still vote leave.. "

Me too

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career.

I wouldn't say over a million votes is a small margin

Tbh it is proportionally to the actual population of Britain.

Yes- approx 1/60 th of the population & 1/30th of those that voted

Would it matter as much if it had swung the other way by those margins?

Bottom line, as with all situations when people vote, there was a winning side, and a losing side, end of.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career.

I wouldn't say over a million votes is a small margin I disagree

Tell that to the people, who clearly voted out

Simply put remain camp are childish - vote didn't go their way so toys are being thrown out of the pram

You don't think it's concern over what happens next? not the "take back control/we can negotiate better trade deals/we can vote them out" rhetoric, but the practicalities of of what you voted for?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career.

I wouldn't say over a million votes is a small margin

Tbh it is proportionally to the actual population of Britain.

Yes- approx 1/60 th of the population & 1/30th of those that voted

Wait was this in agreement with what I said, or meant to say? I meant to say that a million is not proportionally large.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

Would it matter as much if it had swung the other way by those margins?

Bottom line, as with all situations when people vote, there was a winning side, and a losing side, end of.

"end off"

"grow a pair"

"suck it up"

How do any of these help anyone plan for the future?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career.

I wouldn't say over a million votes is a small margin I disagree

Tell that to the people, who clearly voted out

Simply put remain camp are childish - vote didn't go their way so toys are being thrown out of the pram

I voted to remain, and fully accept the results of the referendum. If you believe in democracy, you have to accept that people voted, and then abide by that decision.

Right now... we are where we are, and we'll only be able to move forward and be strong if we have unity. With a result that was so close (and a 4% margin is close), I don't think we'll have any form of unity.

We will see short/medium term chaos in financial markets and our economy, but we won't really know how this referendum will affect us until the trade agreements have been sorted out. That really is the key going forward, and I pray that we have a government (who ever that may be) that is strong enough, and wise enough to sit down at the table and negotiate wisely. The rest of the EU will not make it easy for us, as they now have to protect their interests. In the same way that we would have done if someone else left first and tried to negotiate a better deal for themselves.

The Remain camp didn't have a plan b for this, and the Leave camp didn't have a plan A!

That's what we should have been asking questions of before we voted. It would have been better sitting at the table and negotiating while we had a voice, rather than having to find a political team to establish a collective voice for us ALL.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's be honest leave won as most the people who voted out are the same people who

Moan they have been dealt a tough hand In life and it's always some else's fault couldn't possibly be theirs, are they going to be out in the fields picking cabbages next spring I fear not the uk will never leave the common market there for never will control migration

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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago

Chester

Can we not just admit there are pessimists and optimists out there. I'm optimistic. The decision has been made, griping won't change it, let's look forward.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

It was obvious to me throughout the the Leave campaign were lying and intentionally trying to mislead in order to get what they wanted.

They've been very effective with propaganda campaigns over the last couple of parliamentary terms and this was just another successful one. They took in a lot of people, many of them now starting to realise they were duped. Too late!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Can we not just admit there are pessimists and optimists out there. I'm optimistic. The decision has been made, griping won't change it, let's look forward. "

Realising we face some serious difficulties now is not griping, it's fact.

It's fair enough to be optimistic that we'll ultimately solve them but denying that they exist is not optimism, it's burying one's head in the sand.

Several large organisations, such as those downgrading our financial status from 'stable' to 'negative' and reconsidering our AAA credit rating aren't exactly feeling optimistic.

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By *ixson-BallsMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

"Can we not just admit there are pessimists and optimists out there. I'm optimistic. The decision has been made, griping won't change it, let's look forward. "

just wish we'd trigger article 50 and get the ball rolling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can we not just admit there are pessimists and optimists out there. I'm optimistic. The decision has been made, griping won't change it, let's look forward.

Realising we face some serious difficulties now is not griping, it's fact.

It's fair enough to be optimistic that we'll ultimately solve them but denying that they exist is not optimism, it's burying one's head in the sand.

Several large organisations, such as those downgrading our financial status from 'stable' to 'negative' and reconsidering our AAA credit rating aren't exactly feeling optimistic."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career.

I wouldn't say over a million votes is a small margin I disagree

Tell that to the people, who clearly voted out

Simply put remain camp are childish - vote didn't go their way so toys are being thrown out of the pram

I voted to remain, and fully accept the results of the referendum. If you believe in democracy, you have to accept that people voted, and then abide by that decision.

The Remain camp didn't have a plan b for this, and the Leave camp didn't have a plan A!

Agreed, this is what so many out and in voters have said to me

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By *hil153Man
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Can we not just admit there are pessimists and optimists out there. I'm optimistic. The decision has been made, griping won't change it, let's look forward. "

Well said ..move on !!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can we not just admit there are pessimists and optimists out there. I'm optimistic. The decision has been made, griping won't change it, let's look forward.

just wish we'd trigger article 50 and get the ball rolling"
and which brace person is going to take the poisend challis now ?? will it ever be invoked indeed ?

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By *ikki ShooterTV/TS
over a year ago

Epsom

"It is better to be part of eu which can be improved, than to dance with the devil in the dark by leaving."

I've always chosen to dance with the devil...

It's called change... Scary isn't it

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By *j48Man
over a year ago

Wigan

Yes - dithering Dave pull your finger out and get the Ball rolling..

Dictate our terms for Trade don't ask..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can we not just admit there are pessimists and optimists out there. I'm optimistic. The decision has been made, griping won't change it, let's look forward. "
look forward to what exactly ? all I hear is doom and gloom

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can we not just admit there are pessimists and optimists out there. I'm optimistic. The decision has been made, griping won't change it, let's look forward.

just wish we'd trigger article 50 and get the ball rolling"

Really???

We have a government with no leader, an opposition imploding, and no clear mandate of how this country will move forward outside of the EU. So you really think giving the other 27 countries ammunition to bum fcuk us before we sort out what we want is the best idea?

Jeez...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes - dithering Dave pull your finger out and get the Ball rolling..

Dictate our terms for Trade don't ask.. "
david Cameron wont do it lol hes already made his position very clear and what a very astute and clever man he has turned out to be !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both sides told porkies.

The people of the UK are not stupid or gullible.

I have no regrets about how I voted and I expect that most of us, whichever way we voted, feel the same.

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By *j48Man
over a year ago

Wigan

Get the lot of then back off there 4 month summer vacation.

Sort out a new PM asap

Shout article 50 at them, then watch the rest of the 27 collapse into a bankrupt mess. Survival of the fittest.

Procrastinating doesn't make Britain look Great

IMHO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Politicians lie or at least avoid the truth. Always have done always will do. I voted out because I believe its better for our country. In the long term. I didn't vote out because I'm a racist as project fear are still calling me. We've always had and always will have immigration, but I wanted the people I vote for in a general election or even those I didn't vote for to make the decision on my behalf not some faceless grey man or woman in Brussels.

What's up with self belief? Why doom and gloom? Believe in this country and ourselves and go forward and make things happen for ourselves. At this rate half the population will be on Prozac. Believe in yourselves and stop being so negative!

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By *lhombreMan
over a year ago

Bradford

I hope the people who voted to leave didn't do so just to try and restrict migration into England. What do they think will happen to the 7000 or so migrants in the camp near Calais Ferry Port when the French security forces move out. Brace yourselves good folk of Dover.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I hope the people who voted to leave didn't do so just to try and restrict migration into England. What do they think will happen to the 7000 or so migrants in the camp near Calais Ferry Port when the French security forces move out. Brace yourselves good folk of Dover. "
but of course the white cliffs of dover will be swamped with them and a horrid thought of periled women and children washing up on our shores !

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

I voted remain.

I don't want to get a visa to go on holiday to France or Spain, I don't want to get medical insurance for a holiday when I have the EU form, I want to be able to take my dog on holiday to France without having to pet her in quarantine and I certainly didn't want British customs limits being introduced for my day trip.to France.

I currently work in a global company, where I can go and work anywhere in Europe, it won't be that easy if we leave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Both sides told porkies.

The people of the UK are not stupid or gullible.

I have no regrets about how I voted and I expect that most of us, whichever way we voted, feel the same."

I don't think anyone had a plan about what to do so they both played on how to get votes ?

Let's face it there are gullible ppl everywhere ?

I just wish that a full disclosure of exactly what we got from Europe and what we'd gain if we left ?

Have been told that paid leave is a European directive, also hours capping and minimum wage ? If true ? will we now lose out on these ???

It's not a case of being happy with how we voted it's about us all pulling to make it work ? We now don't have a choice !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I voted remain.

I currently work in a global company, where I can go and work anywhere in Europe, it won't be that easy if we leave."

Why would you need a visa to go on holiday? I also wouldn't rely on the ehic card without separate insurance anyway. And as for the pet passport? Never agreed with it in the first place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I voted remain.

I currently work in a global company, where I can go and work anywhere in Europe, it won't be that easy if we leave."
lol holidays are a big reason to choose as a way of deciding a countrys future

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"What's up with self belief? Why doom and gloom? Believe in this country and ourselves and go forward and make things happen for ourselves. At this rate half the population will be on Prozac. Believe in yourselves and stop being so negative!"

Believing in myself doesn't mean that Brexit will suddenly have a thorough plan and explanation for what this will mean for the UK.

Until we get some proper leadership from Boris and co, people are going to be worried.

How about Brexiters do something positive, productive, and useful, rather than telling others how to feel?

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

Frankly; the reality is that it is very likely that we won't leave;

It's up to the new PM to start the ball rolling.

Boris has already started to tell everyone that hardly anything will change;

" free exchange of people and goods with the EU"

" everyone who has moved into UK is safe"

" we will have ever closer and more productive links with the EU"

" links for students and industry"

" common standards"...

Give it 3 months to calm down, and it will be " hmm, we don't really need to bother..."

Since Boris was never a supporter of BREXIT........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Frankly; the reality is that it is very likely that we won't leave;

It's up to the new PM to start the ball rolling.

Boris has already started to tell everyone that hardly anything will change;

" free exchange of people and goods with the EU"

" everyone who has moved into UK is safe"

" we will have ever closer and more productive links with the EU"

" links for students and industry"

" common standards"...

Give it 3 months to calm down, and it will be " hmm, we don't really need to bother..."

Since Boris was never a supporter of BREXIT........"

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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago

Chester

The French border control points will not be moving. They have said so. Also it was an agreement between the UK and France not the UK and the EU.

I wish people would stop spreading lies, that's the politicians job. We need absolute facts ONLY. Saying scotland will leave, the economy will crash etc etc is hardly helpful and is not a KNOWN FACT.

I love that people are blaming politicians for lying and then they go and spread things that aren't true but are just opinion.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I think you will find most leave voters wont admit they got it all wrong and was very badly fooled but good luck with ur quest

This.....

But rather than saying "told you so" because that doesn't help right now, we may as well get on with it... And hope that if the mp's who were on the vote leave side don't keep the promises they made... Both Tory and labour... Kick them out at the next general election!

I think the leave side thought they would have used Cameron for cover and blame him if the negotiations went badly... But by putting it on the next leader he handed them a poison challis and Johnson gove are screwed

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By *44bertCouple
over a year ago

Inverness

It wasn't mis-sold. All the leading financial experts in the world predicted this would happen. We *knew* the £350 billion claim was a flat out lie, but people chose to ignore these facts and vote with their prejudice.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"No not at all i voted leave same as quite a lot of people i know, no regrets at all its what we always wanted."

I voted Leave too, no regrets here, I've wanted out of the EU for years. The EU is one massive failure on an epic scale. The Euro is a failure and is still in great difficulty, the schengen idea has proven to be a failure with countries reinstalling their borders, the migrant crisis has been and EU failure, the EU interjection in the war in the balkans in the late 90's was a failure. It's lurched from one failure to the next and it will never reform. I think the EU is doomed it will collapse now as more countries will leave over the next few years. I would vote leave again tomorrow if there was another referendum, but there won't be another one, it was a one shot thing and leave won. Britain is leaving the EU, the Remainers need to accept the result and move on.

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

st andrews

When I was deciding how to vote during both this and Indy Ref, I asked myself if the facts and figures being provided, if any, were enough to persuade me that leaving would be for the best.

In both cases, the answer was no, so I voted to stay.

And if a campaign basically turns into racism, then those are not my people and I want nothing to do with them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i voted stay but we didnt so now what we have to do is all stop moaning as a country and pull together and get things sorted

complaining wont change anything so no point doing it

pulling your socks up and getting on will

nobody can predict the furure it could be the best thing we ever did, it could be the worse its to early to tell yet but standing together as a country is surely the best way forwards

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it just the Remainers who know people who have changed their minds or feel they were duped? Because I don't know any.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No not at all i voted leave same as quite a lot of people i know, no regrets at all its what we always wanted.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Frankly; the reality is that it is very likely that we won't leave;

It's up to the new PM to start the ball rolling.

Boris has already started to tell everyone that hardly anything will change;

" free exchange of people and goods with the EU"

" everyone who has moved into UK is safe"

" we will have ever closer and more productive links with the EU"

" links for students and industry"

" common standards"...

Give it 3 months to calm down, and it will be " hmm, we don't really need to bother..."

Since Boris was never a supporter of BREXIT........"

Dream on, if Boris becomes Prime minister he will trigger article 50. With the backing of Michael Gove, Boris will be a great Prime minister and they will put an EU exit team in place to do the exit negotiations. Look forward to a great deal for Britain and a bright future outside of the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To OP

Not sure why one needs to place so much worry on why the Brexitors haven't any policies in place on how we will leave... its only just happened and it is not purely in our hands.. Mertle has spat her dummy out and said she'll make it hard for our exit lol... (that says how much the EU relied upon our support and input). It will happen but only as they get round the tables and renegotiate. That happens in time...not immediately. Unfortunately so many people are impatient and don't fully understand what's involved.

The main this we have now which we never had before .... CHOICE and OPTIONS. Neither of which we had before the referendum was offered.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"To OP

The main this we have now which we never had before .... CHOICE and OPTIONS. Neither of which we had before the referendum was offered. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it just the Remainers who know people who have changed their minds or feel they were duped? Because I don't know any.

I feel that some Remainers can not stand the thought that after a lifetime of being told that mummy knows best and that you must always listen to 'experts' and your 'betters', they suddenly realise that maybe they have been duped all along and are hoping for disaster so that they don't feel like fools"
well you can say that ..but one of main points of brexit was ton take back control or our country...now ironically there is no control... if I was German or French I'd be saying let's not punish the UK let's just sit back have some wine and watch them punish themselves..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No not at all i voted leave same as quite a lot of people i know, no regrets at all its what we always wanted.

In what way is doing that a poison challis? Whoever does it will actually go down in history as the one who chanced the face of British politics for good. Everyone...those who voted out or those who voted in will actually now be rowing together. Best thing that could ever have happened. If we had stayed...people would still be rowing in different directions as we continued to go round and round and round again.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The referendum was just not instigated nor managed properely. It was a rushed into knee jerk response to UKIP/Farage's impact upon the Conservative party, from before the last election.

As with anything that's rushed into, without appropriate preparation and planning, it's likely to go pear shaped. Think of the invasions etc that we've been involved in, where no long term strategy was created first and we just reacted like headless chickens to whatever was the flavour of the day.

Cameron was right to resign, for allowing/leading the party to implement the referendum in this manner. The electorate deserved far better. The government should have had detailed plans that showed a clear strategy should the leave vote was to become the winner. It would have had to show the time frame, the desired future solution with the EU, following negotiations, as well as the impact upon the countries of the UK, as well as Gibraltar. It would also have needed these things costed, such that the electorate would know what taking over EU responsibilities would cost, in conjunction with the EU fees that we've been paying. Plus the impact upon our government of taking on board the work that the EU has been doing for us. These details and lots more would need to have been clear and complete, before the electorate would be in a position to more rightly understand what they were voting upon. Similarly, the impact upon expats, as well as expats from other countries currently in the UK, should have been explained.

And both sides of the debate should have had clear terms upon what they could cover as outcomes, should their side win - as well as what was not permissible. As it was, it was an anything goes game for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it just the Remainers who know people who have changed their minds or feel they were duped? Because I don't know any.

I feel that some Remainers can not stand the thought that after a lifetime of being told that mummy knows best and that you must always listen to 'experts' and your 'betters', they suddenly realise that maybe they have been duped all along and are hoping for disaster so that they don't feel like fools well you can say that ..but one of main points of brexit was ton take back control or our country...now ironically there is no control... if I was German or French I'd be saying let's not punish the UK let's just sit back have some wine and watch them punish themselves.."

you think they would punish us when they could be the next ones out? Well, maybe not Germany but certainly France and other countries

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it just the Remainers who know people who have changed their minds or feel they were duped? Because I don't know any.

I feel that some Remainers can not stand the thought that after a lifetime of being told that mummy knows best and that you must always listen to 'experts' and your 'betters', they suddenly realise that maybe they have been duped all along and are hoping for disaster so that they don't feel like fools well you can say that ..but one of main points of brexit was ton take back control or our country...now ironically there is no control... if I was German or French I'd be saying let's not punish the UK let's just sit back have some wine and watch them punish themselves.."

Actually the Germans are pissing themselves and the French are watching because they want to leave. So I think little wine is being consumed in pleasure by either lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a shame it took all this to happen for Westminster to realise that the whole country does not live in London. I'm really sad at the increase in hate crime. It's been awful.

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No not at all i voted leave same as quite a lot of people i know, no regrets at all its what we always wanted.

That works both ways, who's gonna say there not going to listen to the democratic wishes of the public and what would that do to our already broken political system?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's a shame it took all this to happen for Westminster to realise that the whole country does not live in London. I'm really sad at the increase in hate crime. It's been awful.

Sarah "

Unfortunately it takes very little to show true colours of haters...same as here on fab too. Childish people find it very hard to get over defeat or rejection. It'll settle down...sit back wisely and watch.

Boris won't stand he'll let Terresa stand and she'd do a very good job in looking at the details and carefully negotiate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would it matter as much if it had swung the other way by those margins?

Bottom line, as with all situations when people vote, there was a winning side, and a losing side, end of.

"end off"

"grow a pair"

"suck it up"

How do any of these help anyone plan for the future?"

Well they make them think about the future instead of living in the past!

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By *layfull pairingCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

The country voted...the decision was made.... Let's just get on with it with some positive attitude... the one thing that will fuck things up is people moaning and whinging and talking the country down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The main this we have now which we never had before .... CHOICE and OPTIONS. Neither of which we had before the referendum was offered. "

We might do, if what happens next was only up to us, but we will have to negotiate deals not just with our former EU trading partners, but all the others too as our previous deals with places like the US, China and India were predicated on the fact that we were EU members. Pretty well *every* trade deal will now have to be re-negotiated, and a lot of those countries will want to know what our arrangements with the EU are going to be before they agree to new ones of their own.

It's possible we might end up with better deals than we have at present (though that's unlikely with any EU countries - being in the EU *has* to be better than being out of it there, or why would anybody join it at all?), but equally we may find we have a lot less choice and options that some people seem to think. Or rather, we will have a choice - accept what we're offered or fuck off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The main this we have now which we never had before .... CHOICE and OPTIONS. Neither of which we had before the referendum was offered.

Bit negative there...The fear of the unknown often brings that out and was clearly seen in those who tried to scare off the Brexit voters with fear tactics.

Well have better deals with the EU because of having choices. ..its not all about how much we get from something...that is exactly what is causing the cracks in the EU white Elephant.

Our trade deals with others outside of EU won't be effected much unless they were agreed in conjunction with others in the EU...which reflects how others controlled our deals. We now don't need to do that.

Interesting what America said about it all reflects our power and respect as a world market player. I think too many people havent realised that and left it out of the picture when they were looking at the issues of leaving or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We both voted out and we stand with our decision

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bit negative there...The fear of the unknown often brings that out and was clearly seen in those who tried to scare off the Brexit voters with fear tactics.

Well have better deals with the EU because of having choices. ..its not all about how much we get from something...that is exactly what is causing the cracks in the EU white Elephant.

Geez - why does every time someone raises concerns have to be decried as fear-mongering? Sorry - maybe we should all just meekly sing from the happy songs hymn-sheet like good little sheeple.

I'd suggest Googling Professor Michael Dougan's speech at Liverpool University about the realities of our post-Brexit possibilities. Unless of course you subscribe to Gove, Farage and Hannan's view that we should just ignore the experts...?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

OP, I understand what you are trying to elicit with this thread but on here people have very fixed view points on this. It's also too soon for any die hards to *see* anything other than their new dawn. Euphoria will last a little longer for them.

The truth is that none of us can predict the future. The experts posit their theories and some of them will prove to come true.

The Asian markets opened this morning with worries about Brexit. Japan is very worried as their Yen has soared, putting their economy at further jeopardy. That may play out as job losses here. We don't know yet.

I have had some clients send e-mails saying that they are trying to work out how Brexit affects them and the hold they had put on engaging me, and people like me, immediately prior to the vote will have to continue. So I am feeling the affects immediately.

That will translate as me spending less on the local economy.

All these little butterflies flapping their wings may cause a storm now, in October, next year or in two years when we actually leave. Who knows?

What I do know now is that this decision seems to have given some people the feeling they now have an absolute right to act in as racist a way as they have always wanted to.

I am not saying everyone who voted leave is a racist - that is patently nonsense. What I am saying is that racism played a part in this vote, over and above the fears about immigration, and THOSE people now feel empowered to act with impunity.

Am I frightened? Yes. Will fear affect my behaviour? I hope not. My efforts are going to be put to trying to find ways to make this work and mitigate the bad stuff that happens.

If we don't come together then Brexit isn't just about leaving the EU, it's about neighbour hating neighbour. That's not a country I want to be part of, do you?

Just as a little aside the Greek (ancient) word eu means 'well' from eus = good.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'm regretting putting up this query now.

Too many people are dismissive of sceptical remain voters as not liking or respecting democracy, or that we're just bitter, or that we are jittery because of the sterling.

Look, the government gave those who wanted to leave the EU a voice through he referendum and debates which have happened over the last few months, just as it gave the remain vote one.

However, it was a slim out vote, so forgive a lot of people for not being happy please, also, remember, parliament is currently in shambles and nobody is yet to put an actual road map on the table for what is going to happen in the coming months. A actually road map, eg, recruiting more negotiators over the three we currently have so we can get back on the world stage again.

So yes, please offer us more than the patronising crap of, we have our country back, now we have to pull together and make it work, stop whining. Give us some actually timelines and plans to work with, and do what we did through the debates and respect and listen to our concerns.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

For those really eager to leave now, bugger the consequences, they should be pressing for government to repeal the 1972 European Communities Act. That will really piss off the EU elite and we leave immediately with not a penny more paid into the EU pot.

Of course, the longer we take to invoke Article 50 the longer before the 2 year countdown starts. If we don't get everything agreed in 2 years it will need a unanimous vote from all the other members to extend the negotiations. What chance of getting such unanimity, do you think?

Tomorrow's meeting will be interesting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, I understand what you are trying to elicit with this thread but on here people have very fixed view points on this. It's also too soon for any die hards to *see* anything other than their new dawn. Euphoria will last a little longer for them.

The truth is that none of us can predict the future. The experts posit their theories and some of them will prove to come true.

That will translate as me spending less on the local economy.

All these little butterflies flapping their wings may cause a storm now, in October, next year or in two years when we actually leave. Who knows?

What I do know now is that this decision seems to have given some people the feeling they now have an absolute right to act in as racist a way as they have always wanted to.

Am I frightened? Yes. Will fear affect my behaviour? I hope not. My efforts are going to be put to trying to find ways to make this work and mitigate the bad stuff that happens.

If we don't come together then Brexit isn't just about leaving the EU, it's about neighbour hating neighbour. That's not a country I want to be part of, do you?

Just as a little aside the Greek (ancient) word eu means 'well' from eus = good.

(m) Answering to all your issues

A simple quick and neutral solution to the whole issue

the United Kingdom joins the EFTA which has all necessary agreements incl. financial trading agreements in place with the EU.

No more messing around no more worrying and also the EU can not refuse the EFTA as those agreements are set in steel and concrete.

As a dual citizen of British / EFTA country and having worked on part of the agreements (Banking side) EFTA/EU there all all the pro sides to such a solution and nearly no negatives (Negatives annual fee for use of the trading agreement calculated on size of the GDP)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dunno if its already been mentioned on this thread. But there is currently 3 million EU funded jobs in Britain. They will all have to go at some point. It will be interesting to see how the Govt will deal with that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The truth is that none of us can predict the future. The experts posit their theories and some of them will prove to come true.

That will translate as me spending less on the local economy.

All these little butterflies flapping their wings may cause a storm now, in October, next year or in two years when we actually leave. Who knows?

What I do know now is that this decision seems to have given some people the feeling they now have an absolute right to act in as racist a way as they have always wanted to.

Am I frightened? Yes. Will fear affect my behaviour? I hope not. My efforts are going to be put to trying to find ways to make this work and mitigate the bad stuff that happens.

If we don't come together then Brexit isn't just about leaving the EU, it's about neighbour hating neighbour. That's not a country I want to be part of, do you?

Just as a little aside the Greek (ancient) word eu means 'well' from eus = good.

Thank you for your kind, well thought out and level headed response. It's bitter sweet to hear that you are feeling some of the fallout via your clients and it's not just in my line of work - as I said, bitter sweet as in it's not pleasant but at least I am not on my own.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I'm regretting putting up this query now.

Too many people are dismissive of sceptical remain voters as not liking or respecting democracy, or that we're just bitter, or that we are jittery because of the sterling.

Look, the government gave those who wanted to leave the EU a voice through he referendum and debates which have happened over the last few months, just as it gave the remain vote one.

Unfortunately, on here and elsewhere, I know that if the polls had been exactly the same ratio but with remain winning the posts would be similar to those demanding it be run again from the Brexit side. The fact that Farage said as much is just by the by. People with entrenched views find it hard to admit to thinking anything else.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The truth is that none of us can predict the future. The experts posit their theories and some of them will prove to come true.

That will translate as me spending less on the local economy.

All these little butterflies flapping their wings may cause a storm now, in October, next year or in two years when we actually leave. Who knows?

What I do know now is that this decision seems to have given some people the feeling they now have an absolute right to act in as racist a way as they have always wanted to.

Am I frightened? Yes. Will fear affect my behaviour? I hope not. My efforts are going to be put to trying to find ways to make this work and mitigate the bad stuff that happens.

If we don't come together then Brexit isn't just about leaving the EU, it's about neighbour hating neighbour. That's not a country I want to be part of, do you?

Just as a little aside the Greek (ancient) word eu means 'well' from eus = good.

(m) Answering to all your issues

A simple quick and neutral solution to the whole issue

the United Kingdom joins the EFTA which has all necessary agreements incl. financial trading agreements in place with the EU.

No more messing around no more worrying and also the EU can not refuse the EFTA as those agreements are set in steel and concrete.

EFTA requires free movement.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Dunno if its already been mentioned on this thread. But there is currently 3 million EU funded jobs in Britain. They will all have to go at some point. It will be interesting to see how the Govt will deal with that. "

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The truth is that none of us can predict the future. The experts posit their theories and some of them will prove to come true.

That will translate as me spending less on the local economy.

All these little butterflies flapping their wings may cause a storm now, in October, next year or in two years when we actually leave. Who knows?

What I do know now is that this decision seems to have given some people the feeling they now have an absolute right to act in as racist a way as they have always wanted to.

Am I frightened? Yes. Will fear affect my behaviour? I hope not. My efforts are going to be put to trying to find ways to make this work and mitigate the bad stuff that happens.

If we don't come together then Brexit isn't just about leaving the EU, it's about neighbour hating neighbour. That's not a country I want to be part of, do you?

Just as a little aside the Greek (ancient) word eu means 'well' from eus = good.

(m) Answering to all your issues

A simple quick and neutral solution to the whole issue

the United Kingdom joins the EFTA which has all necessary agreements incl. financial trading agreements in place with the EU.

No more messing around no more worrying and also the EU can not refuse the EFTA as those agreements are set in steel and concrete.

EFTA requires free movement."

So as so many people said it's like being in the EU minus the person at the negotiating table?

Personally I don't flinch at free movement, I saw it within the EU as an opportunity, it's a shame others didn't.

I can see a lot of leave voters being annoyed at having to accept some for of movement of people one way or another.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

I voted the way I chose to because it's a view I've held for some time and I wasn't influenced by any of the debates because both sides dragged it into the gutter. What should of been an intellectual discussion of a very important and emotive Issue Became a shambles. By the time Farage and Geldolf got round to playing sailors on the Thames and Eddie Izzard acting the screeching petulant fool the whole thing was past the point of saving. I feel let down by the elected politicians who should have done more to keep this from sinking to the level that it did.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I voted the way I chose to because it's a view I've held for some time and I wasn't influenced by any of the debates because both sides dragged it into the gutter. What should of been an intellectual discussion of a very important and emotive Issue Became a shambles. By the time Farage and Geldolf got round to playing sailors on the Thames and Eddie Izzard acting the screeching petulant fool the whole thing was past the point of saving. I feel let down by the elected politicians who should have done more to keep this from sinking to the level that it did."

This was always going to be a vote based on people's ideology and gut feelings. Everyone kept asking for facts, of which there are very few. All there ever could be were experts giving their view on what MIGHT happen. It's never happened before so guessing based on past experience was not possible.

I agree that those leading the campaigns behaved appallingly and the media kept stoking that fire. There were bits of sane, sensible discussion but those never made any headlines and so that meant the masses never heard them.

The fact that the second biggest Google search was 'what is the EU' and there are things showing people now saying they didn't know what a referendum was and that they couldn't vote again in a few years to change the decision is lamentable. My all time favourite is the girlfriend saying she voted to leave so that her boyfriend couldn't watch the Euros! It's all very sad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm regretting putting up this query now.

Too many people are dismissive of sceptical remain voters as not liking or respecting democracy, or that we're just bitter, or that we are jittery because of the sterling.

Look, the government gave those who wanted to leave the EU a voice through he referendum and debates which have happened over the last few months, just as it gave the remain vote one.

There was as much respect and listening from Leave as from Remain.

That is to say, very little.

I don't think anyone is any position to give timelines or certain plans. It is dependant on many countries. The people knew that when they voted.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I've never believed the quote, but it adds a tiny bit of weight to what Churchill said in which "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

Of course I do believe democracy works, but some noises from this referendum on both sides make me loose faith.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm regretting putting up this query now.

Too many people are dismissive of sceptical remain voters as not liking or respecting democracy, or that we're just bitter, or that we are jittery because of the sterling.

Look, the government gave those who wanted to leave the EU a voice through he referendum and debates which have happened over the last few months, just as it gave the remain vote one.

There was as much respect and listening from Leave as from Remain.

That is to say, very little.

I don't think anyone is any position to give timelines or certain plans. It is dependant on many countries. The people knew that when they voted."

Really? A lot of out voters I know expected Gove and Boris to at least have some good plans set in place in the likely chance we voted out. Or atleast have some map planned out for our future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career.

I wouldn't say over a million votes is a small margin

Tbh it is proportionally to the actual population of Britain. "

A about the population of Birmingham - would love to see them turn up on your front drive and you say that's a small margin

Also not everyone gets to vote

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By *ikki ShooterTV/TS
over a year ago

Epsom

"The French border control points will not be moving. They have said so. Also it was an agreement between the UK and France not the UK and the EU.

I wish people would stop spreading lies, that's the politicians job. We need absolute facts ONLY. Saying scotland will leave, the economy will crash etc etc is hardly helpful and is not a KNOWN FACT.

I love that people are blaming politicians for lying and then they go and spread things that aren't true but are just opinion. "

. Nicely put x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career.

I wouldn't say over a million votes is a small margin

Tbh it is proportionally to the actual population of Britain.

Yes- approx 1/60 th of the population & 1/30th of those that voted

That's more than enough of a mandate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think you will find most leave voters wont admit they got it all wrong and was very badly fooled but good luck with ur quest

same can be said for remain voters

it seems some people have missed whats actually going on in the country since Friday "
Seems like some people have missed what's actually been going on in this country for years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's be honest leave won as most the people who voted out are the same people who

I voted leave and I earn 250k a year - your judgement is wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced. "

A clear sign of EU waste

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"to simply put it both sides promised things they would never keep to both sides lied Both sides are corrupt although remain more so.

people voted the way they have for the bigger picture.

the EU is just as corrupt if not more so than countries that are outside it. it also a failing ideal laid by the unelected Elite. "

Both sides lied. Fair enough all politicians are corrupt scum ( my opinion). Howver how can you say the Remain side was more corrupt.

The leave side didnt and still dont have a plan as to what they will do.

Not even mentioning the big red bus oF BS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm regretting putting up this query now.

Too many people are dismissive of sceptical remain voters as not liking or respecting democracy, or that we're just bitter, or that we are jittery because of the sterling.

Look, the government gave those who wanted to leave the EU a voice through he referendum and debates which have happened over the last few months, just as it gave the remain vote one.

There was as much respect and listening from Leave as from Remain.

That is to say, very little.

I don't think anyone is any position to give timelines or certain plans. It is dependant on many countries. The people knew that when they voted.

Really? A lot of out voters I know expected Gove and Boris to at least have some good plans set in place in the likely chance we voted out. Or atleast have some map planned out for our future."

No. As the Remain campaigners themselves said frequently, it was bound to be a jump into the unknown. Brexiters accepted that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste "

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste "

What a useful comment. People losing their jobs... hmmm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"to simply put it both sides promised things they would never keep to both sides lied Both sides are corrupt although remain more so.

people voted the way they have for the bigger picture.

the EU is just as corrupt if not more so than countries that are outside it. it also a failing ideal laid by the unelected Elite.

Both sides lied. Fair enough all politicians are corrupt scum ( my opinion). Howver how can you say the Remain side was more corrupt.

The leave side didnt and still dont have a plan as to what they will do.

Not even mentioning the big red bus oF BS."
or the doomsday budget?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste "

Erm thanks? My job was largely supported by EU funds and I'm researching into drug resistant microorganisms. So if you think that researching the future of antibiotics for the long run is a waste you might want to look into how resistant microorganisms are becoming to our current antibiotics. It is pretty much a part of your future health care whether you are private or NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

What a useful comment. People losing their jobs... hmmm.

It's an opinion - am I not allowed one??

With all opinions and economic decisions someone will lose out

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Yeah thanks, that was my first proper career job. Will you complain if the strain on the benefits system goes up, because I'll be using it if I don't line up another job when I get my redundancy form.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

If it's that important the NHS or govt will pay for the research

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

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over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

So you think it's more efficient if every individual country does their own R&D???

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one "

Remove all the free loaders? Does that include British born and bred citizens? Because come up to some areas around the UK and there are plenty of them, and we're not going to be kicking EU citizens out unless they have been in the country for 6 months without a job as I understand it.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"For those really eager to leave now, bugger the consequences, they should be pressing for government to repeal the 1972 European Communities Act. That will really piss off the EU elite and we leave immediately with not a penny more paid into the EU pot.

Tomorrow's meeting will be interesting.

I did point that out.... And when I explained what that meant you should have seen the horror in those peoples faces...

I don't think think that article 50 will be envoked because it immediately puts the pusher on the back foot which is why leave are desperate not to do it now... And the eu are now saying no informal talks till you push the button

The Germans and French are laughing... It looks like leave had no plan but to leave... And that's why Johnson and gove look like idiots at the moment

Right men... Let's go over the top...

Then what sir??

Ermmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Or opt to wait and see if anyone else does it and then pay the Big pharma price for the drugs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one "

Who are these free loaders you speak of?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

So you think it's more efficient if every individual country does their own R&D??? "

Competition drives efficiency and innovation

Look at the car industry - brings out the best

Also - if you say collaboration is best, why limit to EU why not WHO lead or global initiative?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

So you think it's more efficient if every individual country does their own R&D??? "
No choice now

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

So you think it's more efficient if every individual country does their own R&D??? "

Obviously they do, and obviously they think that the British Parliament will suddenly pull money out of their arses to solve a problem which isn't well covered by the media or a huge concern of the public.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Tomorrow's meeting will be interesting.

I did point that out.... And when I explained what that meant you should have seen the horror in those peoples faces...

The Germans and French are laughing... It looks like leave had no plan but to leave... And that's why Johnson and gove look like idiots at the moment

Right men... Let's go over the top...

Then what sir??

Ermmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm "

Sorry, Fabio. I'm late to these postings... and feeling I shouldn't have bothered now. Views are so entrenched and there appear to be very few who want to pull together, as we must now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

Who are these free loaders you speak of? "

People who take out more than they put in

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

So you think it's more efficient if every individual country does their own R&D???

Competition drives efficiency and innovation

Look at the car industry - brings out the best

Also - if you say collaboration is best, why limit to EU why not WHO lead or global initiative? "

The point is all three fund research into it, but there is limited money, when you decrease the available funds by cutting out one source of funding, believe me you are unlikely to find more money come in via another already existing route, ie, parliament/WHO.

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By *elly totsCouple
over a year ago

teesside

"Let's be honest leave won as most the people who voted out are the same people who

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

So you think it's more efficient if every individual country does their own R&D???

Competition drives efficiency and innovation

Look at the car industry - brings out the best

Also - if you say collaboration is best, why limit to EU why not WHO lead or global initiative? "

The great thing about since is that the periodic table works as well in the UK as it does in France.

Competition works when there is a commercial opportunity to be gained. The early stage research is usually state funded because no private company would take such a long shot.

By your logic, Google should have invented the internet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

Who are these free loaders you speak of?

People who take out more than they put in "

What's changed since last week for them?

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU "

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

So you think it's more efficient if every individual country does their own R&D???

Competition drives efficiency and innovation

Look at the car industry - brings out the best

Also - if you say collaboration is best, why limit to EU why not WHO lead or global initiative?

The great thing about since is that the periodic table works as well in the UK as it does in France.

Competition works when there is a commercial opportunity to be gained. The early stage research is usually state funded because no private company would take such a long shot.

By your logic, Google should have invented the internet. "

The US DoD invented the Internet

Google is on the World Wide Web

There is a difference between the two

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

Who are these free loaders you speak of?

People who take out more than they put in "

Okay then, you can arrange to oust UK citizens along side the EU migrants from all ages, regardless of whether they have skills, or a degree, or none, and sadly can't find work because perhaps their area hasn't had good investment.

Afterall if you are saying we should get rid of anyone who takes more out than we put in, that includes our own citizens right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

Who are these free loaders you speak of?

People who take out more than they put in "

The majority of the people that take out more than they put in, are seemingly British born and will not be ejected from the UK. This does not mean that these people do not need it, as the majority of people have paid a lot in and fallen upon hard times and struggled due to the last recession and the austerity programme that the Govt has implemented.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

So you think it's more efficient if every individual country does their own R&D???

Competition drives efficiency and innovation

Look at the car industry - brings out the best

Also - if you say collaboration is best, why limit to EU why not WHO lead or global initiative?

The great thing about since is that the periodic table works as well in the UK as it does in France.

Competition works when there is a commercial opportunity to be gained. The early stage research is usually state funded because no private company would take such a long shot.

By your logic, Google should have invented the internet. "

I don't always like what you post but this one is a

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic. "

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

So you think it's more efficient if every individual country does their own R&D???

Competition drives efficiency and innovation

Look at the car industry - brings out the best

Also - if you say collaboration is best, why limit to EU why not WHO lead or global initiative?

The great thing about since is that the periodic table works as well in the UK as it does in France.

Competition works when there is a commercial opportunity to be gained. The early stage research is usually state funded because no private company would take such a long shot.

By your logic, Google should have invented the internet.

The US DoD invented the Internet

Google is on the World Wide Web

There is a difference between the two "

Yes, the world wide web can't exist without the internet! So thanks for confirming my point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

Who are these free loaders you speak of?

People who take out more than they put in

Afterall if you are saying we should get rid of anyone who takes more out than we put in, that includes our own citizens right?"

No, I am happy for migrants if they add more than they take out

If they don't why support them, we have to already support our own freeloaders and we don't need anymore

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you think it's more efficient if every individual country does their own R&D???

Competition drives efficiency and innovation

Look at the car industry - brings out the best

Also - if you say collaboration is best, why limit to EU why not WHO lead or global initiative?

The great thing about since is that the periodic table works as well in the UK as it does in France.

Competition works when there is a commercial opportunity to be gained. The early stage research is usually state funded because no private company would take such a long shot.

By your logic, Google should have invented the internet.

I don't always like what you post but this one is a

Bit of a backhanded compliment but sounds like progress so I'll take it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first "

There were 2.5m unemployed British people before the eastern europeans even joined the EU (2003). So what's your plan for them?

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first "

You are clearly a bigot, Britain is made up of many nationalities and always has been. Pointng the finger at immigrants is a classic right wing fascist tendency & I will call you on that at every opportunity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

Actually I'm pointing the finger at people who don't contribute

That's my biggest bugbear

Plan 1 remove those who don't add to the country when we can

Plan 2 go after the Uk freeloaders and address the welfare state as a career types

It's not about race, no issue with migrants who add to the UK

It's just numbers, and we don't need to or now have to support non UK workers on benefits

We need to minimise govt spending and drastically reduce debt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

You don't like what I say, thus I am a bigot!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

There were 2.5m unemployed British people before the eastern europeans even joined the EU (2003). So what's your plan for them? "

Sorry I don't engage with people who have blocked me based on free speech and my opinions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

You don't like what I say, thus I am a bigot! "

The problem is that your assuming there's a significant proportion of immigrants who are scrounging and the facts just don't support you on that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

There were 2.5m unemployed British people before the eastern europeans even joined the EU (2003). So what's your plan for them?

Sorry I don't engage with people who have blocked me based on free speech and my opinions "

Why would you want to meet a couple with an immigrant in it!!

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By *uckoo clockCouple
over a year ago

Merseyside

"I think you will find most leave voters wont admit they got it all wrong and was very badly fooled but good luck with ur quest

What a ridiculous assertion to make....that the majority of 17.25 million voters got it wrong and are too afraid to admit it.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

Actually I'm pointing the finger at people who don't contribute

That's my biggest bugbear

Plan 1 remove those who don't add to the country when we can

Plan 2 go after the Uk freeloaders and address the welfare state as a career types

It's not about race, no issue with migrants who add to the UK

It's just numbers, and we don't need to or now have to support non UK workers on benefits

We need to minimise govt spending and drastically reduce debt "

Education might be the way forward, perhaps yours included. Britain needs to be united, bigotry, prejudice and xenophobia have no place here. This entire referendum has been blighted by inaccurate statements about 'them'. Small minded, narrow Britain has no place in the world.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

There were 2.5m unemployed British people before the eastern europeans even joined the EU (2003). So what's your plan for them? "

Didn't you hear, he wants them all out, somewhere, presumably he is going to be undemocratic and authoritarian and chase them out with a nail studded club, most likely onto a ferry to France or the Netherlands? Let those pesky EU bureaucrats deal with our British human waste.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

There were 2.5m unemployed British people before the eastern europeans even joined the EU (2003). So what's your plan for them?

Sorry I don't engage with people who have blocked me based on free speech and my opinions

Why would you want to meet a couple with an immigrant in it!! "

This shows your limited ability to understand concepts

I have no issue with immigrants, if they add more than they take away

If you add that's fine

I'd prefer to meet an immigrant who contributes more to the UK than an British person on the dole

It's not about race it's about sustainability of public services for the benefit of the locals not the rest of the world

I wish I could remove all Uk freeloaders but we can't, just non Uk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

Actually I'm pointing the finger at people who don't contribute

That's my biggest bugbear

Plan 1 remove those who don't add to the country when we can

Plan 2 go after the Uk freeloaders and address the welfare state as a career types

It's not about race, no issue with migrants who add to the UK

It's just numbers, and we don't need to or now have to support non UK workers on benefits

We need to minimise govt spending and drastically reduce debt

Very patronising, I'm stupid because I have a view you don't agree with

Read Voltaire

Why should we be united? The remain can't accept an exit vote, that's not very United

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By *elovetofuck2Couple
over a year ago

cannock

"Let's be honest leave won as most the people who voted out are the same people who

there for never will control

migration

I voted leave and I earn 250k a year - your judgement is wrong "

Exactly! Im a qualified nurse, does that mean im out of a job along with the surgeons and docs for voting leave?

Im all for immigration, i work with some highly qualified immigrants and they agreed with my vote leave!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

There were 2.5m unemployed British people before the eastern europeans even joined the EU (2003). So what's your plan for them?

Sorry I don't engage with people who have blocked me based on free speech and my opinions "

There is a line between free speech and hate speech mate, I'm not viewing you as a bigot for your opinions on migrant workers, but as a bigot simply for the fact that you believe that somehow by erasing benefits for British people it will transform society and that you think it's acceptable to simply say, get rid of anyone who is taking out more than they put in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

There were 2.5m unemployed British people before the eastern europeans even joined the EU (2003). So what's your plan for them?

Sorry I don't engage with people who have blocked me based on free speech and my opinions

Why would you want to meet a couple with an immigrant in it!!

This shows your limited ability to understand concepts

I have no issue with immigrants, if they add more than they take away

If you add that's fine

I'd prefer to meet an immigrant who contributes more to the UK than an British person on the dole

It's not about race it's about sustainability of public services for the benefit of the locals not the rest of the world

I wish I could remove all Uk freeloaders but we can't, just non Uk "

So what time frame are you judging the taking in and out over? I'm confused whether you want to erase the entire welfare state so you get what you pay for in life or whether it's the Long-term unemployed or what?

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

Actually I'm pointing the finger at people who don't contribute

That's my biggest bugbear

Plan 1 remove those who don't add to the country when we can

Plan 2 go after the Uk freeloaders and address the welfare state as a career types

It's not about race, no issue with migrants who add to the UK

It's just numbers, and we don't need to or now have to support non UK workers on benefits

We need to minimise govt spending and drastically reduce debt

Very patronising, I'm stupid because I have a view you don't agree with

Read Voltaire

Why should we be united? The remain can't accept an exit vote, that's not very United "

I am patriotic and can be patronising, but i will never be racist, bigoted, xenophobic or homophobic. Yes, I voted Remain, but the vote is the vote. What it does not mean is that Britain supports any of these negative tendencies. As I said I will call them at every opportunity and argue against them as well.

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By *qua vitaeWoman
over a year ago

Shropshire/Midlands

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career. "

I don't regret leaving, as the EU is undemocratic for one thing!!

Although I'm shocked how the politicians are handing it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

There were 2.5m unemployed British people before the eastern europeans even joined the EU (2003). So what's your plan for them?

Sorry I don't engage with people who have blocked me based on free speech and my opinions

The sooner people realise UK PLc has a balance sheet and whats going out is more than coming in you target excess expenditure

Supporting non UK people with benefits is an area we can save money

We are not here to support the wider world

I also wish to remove UK foreign aid

Certain benefits to UK people and so forth

It's numbers game

Not sure whys it bigoted to reduce waste and make this country competitive and reduce the size and burden of the state

Hey if migrants add to the Uk they can apply to come here, pay taxes and make us richer - I'm cool with that

But now at least they have parity with migrants from the rest of the world, not a little EU club

If you join a golf club and stop paying you soon get removed, same for the right to live here

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

Actually I'm pointing the finger at people who don't contribute

That's my biggest bugbear

Plan 1 remove those who don't add to the country when we can

Plan 2 go after the Uk freeloaders and address the welfare state as a career types

It's not about race, no issue with migrants who add to the UK

It's just numbers, and we don't need to or now have to support non UK workers on benefits

We need to minimise govt spending and drastically reduce debt

Very patronising, I'm stupid because I have a view you don't agree with

Read Voltaire

Why should we be united? The remain can't accept an exit vote, that's not very United "

I don't think you are stupid, I presume and hope you are not if you are earning £250k as you say you are.

However you are expressing bigotry to the poor and those with limited access to opportunities through your dialogue.

Also you realise that Voltaire is largely criticised these days for giving those who hold extreme views a platform of free speech which largely leads them feeling as though, their opinion is immune from criticism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

Actually I'm pointing the finger at people who don't contribute

That's my biggest bugbear

Plan 1 remove those who don't add to the country when we can

Plan 2 go after the Uk freeloaders and address the welfare state as a career types

It's not about race, no issue with migrants who add to the UK

It's just numbers, and we don't need to or now have to support non UK workers on benefits

We need to minimise govt spending and drastically reduce debt

Very patronising, I'm stupid because I have a view you don't agree with

Read Voltaire

Why should we be united? The remain can't accept an exit vote, that's not very United

I have no issues with race, creed, sexuality etc

I'm nearly leading on a economic point that if someone takes more than they give and we can now ask them to leave we should

Our finances are stretched and they need to focus on the locals

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over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

There were 2.5m unemployed British people before the eastern europeans even joined the EU (2003). So what's your plan for them?

Sorry I don't engage with people who have blocked me based on free speech and my opinions

The sooner people realise UK PLc has a balance sheet and whats going out is more than coming in you target excess expenditure

Supporting non UK people with benefits is an area we can save money

We are not here to support the wider world

I also wish to remove UK foreign aid

Certain benefits to UK people and so forth

It's numbers game

Not sure whys it bigoted to reduce waste and make this country competitive and reduce the size and burden of the state

Hey if migrants add to the Uk they can apply to come here, pay taxes and make us richer - I'm cool with that

But now at least they have parity with migrants from the rest of the world, not a little EU club

If you join a golf club and stop paying you soon get removed, same for the right to live here "

Problem is that you also don't want terrorism here like the London bombings either. So you can either have a really fucking expensive wall around our island or you could just send, what is a relatively tiny amount of money in foreign aid to try and prevent the well known causes of terrorism (i.e poverty in shitty countries).

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

There were 2.5m unemployed British people before the eastern europeans even joined the EU (2003). So what's your plan for them?

Sorry I don't engage with people who have blocked me based on free speech and my opinions

The sooner people realise UK PLc has a balance sheet and whats going out is more than coming in you target excess expenditure

Supporting non UK people with benefits is an area we can save money

We are not here to support the wider world

I also wish to remove UK foreign aid

Certain benefits to UK people and so forth

It's numbers game

Not sure whys it bigoted to reduce waste and make this country competitive and reduce the size and burden of the state

Hey if migrants add to the Uk they can apply to come here, pay taxes and make us richer - I'm cool with that

But now at least they have parity with migrants from the rest of the world, not a little EU club

If you join a golf club and stop paying you soon get removed, same for the right to live here "

Just being in a Golf Club doesn't mean your actually any good - do you get rid of those that aren't scratch golfers or who can't pay Trump sized fees next?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

Actually I'm pointing the finger at people who don't contribute

That's my biggest bugbear

Plan 1 remove those who don't add to the country when we can

Plan 2 go after the Uk freeloaders and address the welfare state as a career types

It's not about race, no issue with migrants who add to the UK

It's just numbers, and we don't need to or now have to support non UK workers on benefits

We need to minimise govt spending and drastically reduce debt

Very patronising, I'm stupid because I have a view you don't agree with

Read Voltaire

Why should we be united? The remain can't accept an exit vote, that's not very United

I don't think you are stupid, I presume and hope you are not if you are earning £250k as you say you are.

However you are expressing bigotry to the poor and those with limited access to opportunities through your dialogue.

You have an issue with Voltaire and his desires to see free speech protected? I do love the liberal / progressive view of freedom as long as we agree with it

On a side note,cues I did earn that amount. It's. A umber and the point was to show that not all people who voted leave are poor ignorant people

But we make our own success in life. I work hard for my lot and have had no silver spoon

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By *sussexyMan
over a year ago

Lewes

"The remain can't accept an exit vote, that's not very United "

In fact the petition was started before the result by a Leave supporter.

There are two separate issues here:

1 Did we do the right thing?

2 If not (and the markets and the rest of the world seem to be telling us that) can the country ever mend, or will we always be two populations resentful of one another?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah mine was one of them. Been told to expect redundancy in 6-18 months unless the investment from the EU is replaced.

A clear sign of EU waste

Once we remove all the free loaders in the Uk there will be plenty left to pay for your benefits

I'm sure your a bight person and will find a new one

I am sure there are people here claiming benefit and not putting into the economy

Plenty of Europeans claiming child benefit for children outside of the U.K. But within the EU

Please stop using small minded opinions. If you have something useful to say back it up with a fact - calling people 'free loaders' is just xenophobic.

My opinion is as valid as yours

Time to take yourself off your ivory tower - sick of your moral relativity

If someone is claiming benefit and not working they are freeloaders

I hate all of the. Including the English - unfortunately I can't remove English people but we can now remove non English

Once they have gone I would then drastically go after the English freeloaders

Low hanging fruit first

There were 2.5m unemployed British people before the eastern europeans even joined the EU (2003). So what's your plan for them?

Sorry I don't engage with people who have blocked me based on free speech and my opinions

The sooner people realise UK PLc has a balance sheet and whats going out is more than coming in you target excess expenditure

Supporting non UK people with benefits is an area we can save money

We are not here to support the wider world

I also wish to remove UK foreign aid

Certain benefits to UK people and so forth

It's numbers game

Not sure whys it bigoted to reduce waste and make this country competitive and reduce the size and burden of the state

Hey if migrants add to the Uk they can apply to come here, pay taxes and make us richer - I'm cool with that

But now at least they have parity with migrants from the rest of the world, not a little EU club

If you join a golf club and stop paying you soon get removed, same for the right to live here

Just being in a Golf Club doesn't mean your actually any good - do you get rid of those that aren't scratch golfers or who can't pay Trump sized fees next?"

I don't really get golf so sorry I don't know what your saying !

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Going to start by saying I completely respect that out of the voters who used their vote - leave won by a small margin.

I'm just wondering if anyone who voted out feels a little bit sceptical of how they voted, or whether they were 'miss sold' something.

As my uncle and his wife who I just bumped into said, they voted out, but they now feel as thought they have only been used as pieces of a political chess game.

As my uncle said, they bought into the notion that remain were spinning project fear, yet it's evident now that the leavers had no mandate or manifesto to calmly lead Britain out of the EU.

Just wondering if anyone else feels or is beginning to feel this way?

Without kicking of a shit storm ideally, I'm trying to downplay how leaving the EU will affect my career.

I don't regret leaving, as the EU is undemocratic for one thing!!

Although I'm shocked how the politicians are handing it!"

Thank you, this is the sort of response I was hoping people could communicate. Thank you for your polite reply.

I'm sure a lot of leave voters like you don't regret their decision, but are a little annoyed over how parliament are running madly about as if it was not a possibility.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I voted out for the basic reasons:

Lack of democracy in the eu.

Being hit with ttip,

Being in am organisation thats killing greece and causing those to commit suicide!

If the whingers and those feeble petty minded who want to change their vote because they didnt get what they want succeed and join the eu dictatorship, then they'll get what they deserve!

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