FabSwingers.com forum: where did we go wrong?

By *ophieslut OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think it's accepted that stay and leave campaigns got things wrong. But was this referendum's foundation, or something fundamental about it wrong?

Like there was no plan for what happened afterwards etc? The campaign MPs couldn't make commitments for post-campaign, as there was no plan nor did they have the power to take such decisions? Was the referendum rushed into too quickly, with insufficient effort and forethought?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is right. The leave campaign was based on lies to make it sound good, but then they got no leaders and with no plans for the country afterwards, most brexiters feel sick and betrayed as they now realise the truth.

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By *iss AdventureWoman
over a year ago

Wonderland

No we don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is the trouble the UK faces today

far to many pessimist's and sheer lack of optimist views

Nothing is ever gained without risk, all great achievers endure great risk, sadly it looks like we have far to many pessimistic views and a lack of achievers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cameron rushed the referendum through, he knew what he was doing and thought he would win.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No leaders? do you not understand that this was a vote to leave Europe.

The leaders of Brexit were never going to rise to power and be thrust into office.

The conservative government still runs the country so what does Cameron as leader do?

A. Have contingency plans in place for the possibility of an exit.

B. Lose, sulk, and say "Let someone else see to it all I'm not doing it"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No we don't."

Oooooooh yes you do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And you know this because??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There were lies within both camps. Why people seem suprised is baffling me...

I for one have been for brexit since before there was even talk of a referendum so what ever scare tactics used by remain made no differance.

But thats not the point. Cameron rushed it through expecting to win so made no plan if he didnt.

Tut. I said, to everyone i spoke to about the referendum, instantly the pound and market will drop and prices will rise. But if we unite and stand together as the united kingdom then we can show how resiliant a nation we are and how prosperous being out can be for us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Course they made plans for afterwards but to mention those during the campaign wouldnt help them. Better to think out is terrible disaster so more voted in.

Both sides played on fears.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they feel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No leaders? do you not understand that this was a vote to leave Europe.

The leaders of Brexit were never going to rise to power and be thrust into office.

The conservative government still runs the country so what does Cameron as leader do?

A. Have contingency plans in place for the possibility of an exit.

B. Lose, sulk, and say "Let someone else see to it all I'm not doing it""

I think you will find there have been contingency plans in place for quite sometime, as bank of england mark carney & Osborne have confirmed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No leaders? do you not understand that this was a vote to leave Europe.

The leaders of Brexit were never going to rise to power and be thrust into office.

The conservative government still runs the country so what does Cameron as leader do?

A. Have contingency plans in place for the possibility of an exit.

B. Lose, sulk, and say "Let someone else see to it all I'm not doing it"

I think you will find there have been contingency plans in place for quite sometime, as bank of england mark carney & Osborne have confirmed"

As has been shown this morning by the Chancellor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they feel"
I know, they interviewed people on the news, as well it was on social media and many updates about it on twitter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If course contingency plans will have been thought about and put in place for this. But no one in the government was going to say this before the referendum as it would have been taken as they had no confidence in their arguments to stay.

The Bank of England, George Osborne and others have clearly stated that they have plans in place to keep the UK's economy stable.

The route to exit cannot just happen overnight, the government had to negotiate on lots of different issues, including trade, political exit. None of this can start until article 50 is invoked but I fail to believe it hasn't been discussed in different political offices across Europe for the past year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is a plan for the exit its called FLEXCIT. Its about 450 pages but there is a one page summary that sums up the basic strategy. Its had 80,000 downloads and rumour has it that it is required reading by senior civil servants.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Personally I hope my fears for the UK and it's people are unfounded.

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they feelI know, they interviewed people on the news, as well it was on social media and many updates about it on twitter."

It would be interesting to see if people have changed their opinions in light of the colossal shit storm that has been ignited. It'll also be interesting to see if opinions change even more when the recession starts to bite and people begin to realise that things will get a lot worse before they get better.

Maybe in 5 to 10 years time we will be in a stronger situation, maybe but it's not much of a consolation if you have been living in a cardboard box because you lost your job and couldn't pay your mortgage. Time will tell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x"

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they feelI know, they interviewed people on the news, as well it was on social media and many updates about it on twitter."
amd they are playing that up cause some do. I dont regret my vite in the slightest. And i didnt take anything said by brexit at face value

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they feelI know, they interviewed people on the news, as well it was on social media and many updates about it on twitter.

The public sector is still going through the recession it never left.

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they feelI know, they interviewed people on the news, as well it was on social media and many updates about it on twitter."

And of course certain news groups weren't in favour of particular outcomes.

Have you not noticed that some news channels will choose the most intelligent-sounding bremainers/brexiters while choosing the complete OPPOSITE for the opposing group?

Like the Jeremy Kyle show targets a particular group to appear on the show. It doesn't mean the majority of the UK are like that...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they feelI know, they interviewed people on the news, as well it was on social media and many updates about it on twitter.

And of course certain news groups weren't in favour of particular outcomes.

Have you not noticed that some news channels will choose the most intelligent-sounding bremainers/brexiters while choosing the complete OPPOSITE for the opposing group?

Like the Jeremy Kyle show targets a particular group to appear on the show. It doesn't mean the majority of the UK are like that..."

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x"

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By *w214Couple
over a year ago

Wirral

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they

feelI know, they interviewed people on the news, as well it was on social media and many updates about it on twitter."

I wouldn't accept the word "most" unless over 50% of brexiters said they were gutted. What you've seen on the news are people that the TV crews have sought out and interviewed BECAUSE of their negative reaction.

As for social media posts, again you're simply seeing a small snapshot of a handful of people.

Weather they are right or wrong to be so shaken, only time will tell but it's silly to spread sentiments like yours because you've taken the media's bait and read a bit of whinging on twitter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is the trouble the UK faces today

far to many pessimist's and sheer lack of optimist views

Nothing is ever gained without risk, all great achievers endure great risk, sadly it looks like we have far to many pessimistic views and a lack of achievers

That's bullshit.

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By *vgloryholebs16TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol.

Rushed be buggered!!

If that was a rushed referendum,god help us if we have another and take our time...It seemed to go on forever..

Just let it be and allow this to happen.

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years. "

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off."

so you're saying mum has left dad .... she's got 65 miilion kids to look after as a single parent now ..... your metaphor is idiotic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

The eu wasnt working as the remain side said too. They believed to stay and change from the inside. But to me to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome is the definition of crazy. I believe after the short term turmoil we will be better for it.

The terms have not been agreed and to leave wasnt to reject everythibg about the eu it was reject the parts that didnt work for us. Whatever happens bear that in mind at the next general election x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's accepted that stay and leave campaigns got things wrong. But was this referendum's foundation, or something fundamental about it wrong?

Rushed into a bit quickly.. facts being altered/twisted, rubbish, idiotic slagging each other rather than sticking to topics.. how long have you got? lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cameron rushed the referendum through, he knew what he was doing and thought he would win."

Clearly didn't know what he was doing if he thought he would win.

Sadly my experience of politicians is that their idea of forward planning tends to run out of steam at "what's for lunch?" After that they don't seem to know...on either side, right or left, local or national....!

We do need some vision now and it will need to be from both sides, working together....

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

so you're saying mum has left dad .... she's got 65 miilion kids to look after as a single parent now ..... your metaphor is idiotic"

What's idiotic is how you've twisted the metaphor.

I'm talking about two individuals.

But I'll bite. Would you rather Mum and her 65million kids stayed with some dick who drank their money away and subjected them to abusive behaviour?

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

The terms have not been agreed and to leave wasnt to reject everythibg about the eu it was reject the parts that didnt work for us. Whatever happens bear that in mind at the next general election x"

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

so you're saying mum has left dad .... she's got 65 miilion kids to look after as a single parent now ..... your metaphor is idiotic

What's idiotic is how you've twisted the metaphor.

I'm talking about two individuals.

But I'll bite. Would you rather Mum and her 65million kids stayed with some dick who drank their money away and subjected them to abusive behaviour?"

i'm still a neutral on the referendum as i have been since it's inception. your metaphor is still idiotic though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No we don't.

Oooooooh yes you do

Sounds like a Remain voter, because those of us who voted to leave apparently didnt understand why we made that decision, and we are racist, bigots, uneducated little Englanders with no idea of the consequences of our actions.

Suck it up sunshine, you lost.

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By *iforfun999Man
over a year ago

Haverfordwest

You're saying that politicians lied? No way! They never do things like that. They're as honest and moral as priests and bishops and we know that they never do anything wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

so you're saying mum has left dad .... she's got 65 miilion kids to look after as a single parent now ..... your metaphor is idiotic

What's idiotic is how you've twisted the metaphor.

I'm talking about two individuals.

But I'll bite. Would you rather Mum and her 65million kids stayed with some dick who drank their money away and subjected them to abusive behaviour?

i'm still a neutral on the referendum as i have been since it's inception. your metaphor is still idiotic though"

Do we have to resort to insulting people. Debate like an adult or dont make a comment of you have no opnion

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

The media are doing their job ....and depending on which paper you buy ...

Or which channel you watch

Is what each of us believes.

But we need now to all pull together instead of scaremongering ......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The people have spoken! Roll on farage as mp! 10 years down the line it would of been voted in,well done all the old folk and English people

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By *omersetfun15Couple
over a year ago

bridgwater

"This is the trouble the UK faces today

far to many pessimist's and sheer lack of optimist views

Nothing is ever gained without risk, all great achievers endure great risk, sadly it looks like we have far to many pessimistic views and a lack of achievers

100% correct no plan for when we left? Reason for that is they thought we would never vote out

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

so you're saying mum has left dad .... she's got 65 miilion kids to look after as a single parent now ..... your metaphor is idiotic

What's idiotic is how you've twisted the metaphor.

I'm talking about two individuals.

But I'll bite. Would you rather Mum and her 65million kids stayed with some dick who drank their money away and subjected them to abusive behaviour?

i'm still a neutral on the referendum as i have been since it's inception. your metaphor is still idiotic though"

If you say so, that is YOUR opinion, although I don't see how your perception of my metaphor would be relevent unless all 65 million were all tiny helpless babes suckling at the breast.

At least 30 million are working adults...

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

so you're saying mum has left dad .... she's got 65 miilion kids to look after as a single parent now ..... your metaphor is idiotic

What's idiotic is how you've twisted the metaphor.

I'm talking about two individuals.

But I'll bite. Would you rather Mum and her 65million kids stayed with some dick who drank their money away and subjected them to abusive behaviour?

i'm still a neutral on the referendum as i have been since it's inception. your metaphor is still idiotic though

Do we have to resort to insulting people. Debate like an adult or dont make a comment of you have no opnion"

it's my opinion that the metaphor was idiotic not the person ... so it's not an insult ..... and it's not for you to tell me when i'm allowed to comment on this forum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

so you're saying mum has left dad .... she's got 65 miilion kids to look after as a single parent now ..... your metaphor is idiotic

What's idiotic is how you've twisted the metaphor.

I'm talking about two individuals.

But I'll bite. Would you rather Mum and her 65million kids stayed with some dick who drank their money away and subjected them to abusive behaviour?

i'm still a neutral on the referendum as i have been since it's inception. your metaphor is still idiotic though

Do we have to resort to insulting people. Debate like an adult or dont make a comment of you have no opnion

it's my opinion that the metaphor was idiotic not the person ... so it's not an insult ..... and it's not for you to tell me when i'm allowed to comment on this forum"

Whatever

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman
Forum Mod
over a year ago

My Own Little World

I made my choice and voted how I voted. And I live with that decision. I have no idea how things will pan out, as with every decision I have ever made in my life.

We are all adults and know that it was a one time thing, not like a general election, every 4-5 years. We had one shot, one vote, people need to stop whinging. It is done.

What I can't understand though is those who say 'but they lied to me!'

They are fucking politicians! They always lie. Every election they get on the stage and say 'when I get elected I will.....'. How often do they actually follow through after they have won?

Politicians lie, manipulate, obfuscate and outright bully to get their way, always have done and I can't see that changing.

If you believed every word out of their mouths then you have no-one to blame but yourselves for thinking this time would be any different.

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By *heHoneymonstersCouple
over a year ago

cambridge

"That is right. The leave campaign was based on lies to make it sound good, but then they got no leaders and with no plans for the country afterwards, most brexiters feel sick and betrayed as they now realise the truth."
nope not in this house

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they feelI know, they interviewed people on the news, as well it was on social media and many updates about it on twitter.

The public sector is still going through the recession it never left. "

Indeed it is, austerity is scheduled till 2020, or at least is was they are now going to have to extend that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off."

Actually I have been in an abusive relationship, and it's nothing like this, I for my part have done well from being in Europe, cheap easy travel, lots of training opportunities and a safe prosperous society.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they feelI know, they interviewed people on the news, as well it was on social media and many updates about it on twitter.

The public sector is still going through the recession it never left.

Indeed it is, austerity is scheduled till 2020, or at least is was they are now going to have to extend that. "

And how do work that out??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded."

How dare you! Your the narrow minded one presuming over half the nation voted out based on immigration

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over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded."

How do you work out that the majority are xenophobes or closed minded.... please show me the facts for that. Seeing as the 'closed minded' ones are the ones to vote for change...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is the trouble the UK faces today

far to many pessimist's and sheer lack of optimist views

Nothing is ever gained without risk, all great achievers endure great risk, sadly it looks like we have far to many pessimistic views and a lack of achievers

That's bullshit. "

suspect you are getting bullshit mixed up with fact

you should try a risk or two

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they feelI know, they interviewed people on the news, as well it was on social media and many updates about it on twitter.

The public sector is still going through the recession it never left.

Indeed it is, austerity is scheduled till 2020, or at least is was they are now going to have to extend that.

And how do work that out??"

That's what the chancellor suggested and he's the guy that decides that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded.

How dare you! Your the narrow minded one presuming over half the nation voted out based on immigration

I've not asked every one who voted leave their reasons for voting leave.

But I have asked every one I know who voted leave why, and the majority of those people gave immigration as one of the reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do we?

Sorry shag but your really have come out with some utter nonsense lately.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally know quite a few leave voters who are regretting there stance now and wish they could revoke it but obviously they cant so its QED

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

All this about lies from the leave camp....I am no sure the remainers were squeaky clean either...

Some bad losers on here and whilst I voted reluctantly to remain,if we have a re run (god forbid)I will vote leave..

Deal with it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they feelI know, they interviewed people on the news, as well it was on social media and many updates about it on twitter.

The public sector is still going through the recession it never left.

Indeed it is, austerity is scheduled till 2020, or at least is was they are now going to have to extend that.

And how do work that out??

That's what the chancellor suggested and he's the guy that decides that. "

The chancellor suggested and he decides? Nope no one decides to have a recession. That would be silly. Economic uncertainty market crashes and people not spending have nothing to do with it then.

Him being a tory will have no influence either of course silly me.

No one knows the full impact yet even the chancellor. Its all dependant on trade and the deals still to be negotiated. It will carry on the same for two years at least. Markets dont like uncertainty no and thats why leaving doesnt happen overnight. As things are decided then they can forecast until then its if buts and maybes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do we?

Sorry shag but your really have come out with some utter nonsense lately. "
Of course we all will have different view on this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded.

How dare you! Your the narrow minded one presuming over half the nation voted out based on immigration

I've not asked every one who voted leave their reasons for voting leave.

But I have asked every one I know who voted leave why, and the majority of those people gave immigration as one of the reasons. "

And they speak for all? No leave voter i know has voted based on immigration. And besides that leaving the eu doesnt mean that we automatically dump everything we were as part of the eu!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they feelI know, they interviewed people on the news, as well it was on social media and many updates about it on twitter.

The public sector is still going through the recession it never left.

Indeed it is, austerity is scheduled till 2020, or at least is was they are now going to have to extend that.

And how do work that out??

That's what the chancellor suggested and he's the guy that decides that.

The chancellor suggested and he decides? Nope no one decides to have a recession. That would be silly. Economic uncertainty market crashes and people not spending have nothing to do with it then.

Him being a tory will have no influence either of course silly me.

Austerity is a response to not having any money because there was a recession. It's the country making cutbacks in spending. The guy in charge of that is the chancellor. He holds the purse strings. He said we are going to cut spending on services until 2020 it's all in his plan for recovery, to get the deficit down. Only thing is on Friday the country was suddenly worth many billions less than it was on Thursday. So this means no money to pay off the deficit. So the cost cutting will have to continue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it is clear from post vote revelations the leave camp spun a load of lies and is only now becoming clear to leave voters they have been check mated on the immigration policies which was there main concerns for being out of the EU

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded.

How dare you! Your the narrow minded one presuming over half the nation voted out based on immigration

I've not asked every one who voted leave their reasons for voting leave.

But I have asked every one I know who voted leave why, and the majority of those people gave immigration as one of the reasons.

And they speak for all? No leave voter i know has voted based on immigration. And besides that leaving the eu doesnt mean that we automatically dump everything we were as part of the eu!"

Of course they don't speak for all, this is just the opinions of 20 or so people I have asked and have been truthful enough to share their reasons.

No it doesn't mean that, but actually the powers that be happen to be tories, do you think they will want to negotiate legislation that favours the likes of you and me. Or do you think they may serve their own interests first

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they feelI know, they interviewed people on the news, as well it was on social media and many updates about it on twitter.

The public sector is still going through the recession it never left.

Indeed it is, austerity is scheduled till 2020, or at least is was they are now going to have to extend that.

And how do work that out??

That's what the chancellor suggested and he's the guy that decides that.

The chancellor suggested and he decides? Nope no one decides to have a recession. That would be silly. Economic uncertainty market crashes and people not spending have nothing to do with it then.

Him being a tory will have no influence either of course silly me.

And how do you know that will continue beyond 2020? Cause that was what you said. The value of the pound went down and picked up again a few hours later as is completely normal in times of uncertanty.

What caused that deficit and austerity? A crash in the finacial market in america. And spending on things we couldnt afford to spend on. A lack of spending extends a recession. For the next two years we carry on as normal. Beyond that it will depend we do not know and neither does he he has to make decisions based on a worst case scenario.

Torries are all for public spending cuts and that would of continued if we stayed in the eu regardless but it helps to place some blame so they are remebered more favourabley in the next election. This a long game not a short one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded.

How dare you! Your the narrow minded one presuming over half the nation voted out based on immigration

I've not asked every one who voted leave their reasons for voting leave.

But I have asked every one I know who voted leave why, and the majority of those people gave immigration as one of the reasons.

And they speak for all? No leave voter i know has voted based on immigration. And besides that leaving the eu doesnt mean that we automatically dump everything we were as part of the eu!

Of course they don't speak for all, this is just the opinions of 20 or so people I have asked and have been truthful enough to share their reasons.

Of course they will so why are you making out that they are right and unbias in one sentence and the next the are bias? You cant have it both ways

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they feelI know, they interviewed people on the news, as well it was on social media and many updates about it on twitter.

The public sector is still going through the recession it never left.

Indeed it is, austerity is scheduled till 2020, or at least is was they are now going to have to extend that.

And how do work that out??

That's what the chancellor suggested and he's the guy that decides that.

The chancellor suggested and he decides? Nope no one decides to have a recession. That would be silly. Economic uncertainty market crashes and people not spending have nothing to do with it then.

Him being a tory will have no influence either of course silly me.

I know this because the chancellor of the exchequer said that as a result of the losses they will probably have to extend austerity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded.

How dare you! Your the narrow minded one presuming over half the nation voted out based on immigration

I've not asked every one who voted leave their reasons for voting leave.

But I have asked every one I know who voted leave why, and the majority of those people gave immigration as one of the reasons.

And they speak for all? No leave voter i know has voted based on immigration. And besides that leaving the eu doesnt mean that we automatically dump everything we were as part of the eu!

Of course they don't speak for all, this is just the opinions of 20 or so people I have asked and have been truthful enough to share their reasons.

Of course they will so why are you making out that they are right and unbias in one sentence and the next the are bias? You cant have it both ways "

I'm not making out that they are right in doing it, I'm pointing out that when people think we can have what we had In terms of workers rights they might be mistaken. I don't want to give up these rights

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's done is done why carnt people accept it and move on

as long as we can still swing lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they feelI know, they interviewed people on the news, as well it was on social media and many updates about it on twitter.

The public sector is still going through the recession it never left.

Indeed it is, austerity is scheduled till 2020, or at least is was they are now going to have to extend that.

And how do work that out??

That's what the chancellor suggested and he's the guy that decides that.

The chancellor suggested and he decides? Nope no one decides to have a recession. That would be silly. Economic uncertainty market crashes and people not spending have nothing to do with it then.

Him being a tory will have no influence either of course silly me.

I know this because the chancellor of the exchequer said that as a result of the losses they will probably have to extend austerity.

Like i said. 'Probably'. If buts and maybes based on a wprst case scenario

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

so you're saying mum has left dad .... she's got 65 miilion kids to look after as a single parent now ..... your metaphor is idiotic

What's idiotic is how you've twisted the metaphor.

I'm talking about two individuals.

But I'll bite. Would you rather Mum and her 65million kids stayed with some dick who drank their money away and subjected them to abusive behaviour?

i'm still a neutral on the referendum as i have been since it's inception. your metaphor is still idiotic though"

Who are you trying to kid saying you are neutral????

You've been making pro Remain Comments On This Forum For The Last 6 Months.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded.

How dare you! Your the narrow minded one presuming over half the nation voted out based on immigration

I've not asked every one who voted leave their reasons for voting leave.

But I have asked every one I know who voted leave why, and the majority of those people gave immigration as one of the reasons.

And they speak for all? No leave voter i know has voted based on immigration. And besides that leaving the eu doesnt mean that we automatically dump everything we were as part of the eu!

Of course they don't speak for all, this is just the opinions of 20 or so people I have asked and have been truthful enough to share their reasons.

Of course they will so why are you making out that they are right and unbias in one sentence and the next the are bias? You cant have it both ways

Nor do i and thats what we need to pay attention to now. To vote out wasnt to reject everything abput the eu. If the goverment go back on those things then what does that say about them.? Its all still to ne decided

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Not me shag, I voted Leave and I'm still over the moon with the result. I'd vote leave again if there was another referendum tomorrow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded.

How dare you! Your the narrow minded one presuming over half the nation voted out based on immigration

I've not asked every one who voted leave their reasons for voting leave.

But I have asked every one I know who voted leave why, and the majority of those people gave immigration as one of the reasons.

And they speak for all? No leave voter i know has voted based on immigration. And besides that leaving the eu doesnt mean that we automatically dump everything we were as part of the eu!

Of course they don't speak for all, this is just the opinions of 20 or so people I have asked and have been truthful enough to share their reasons.

Of course they will so why are you making out that they are right and unbias in one sentence and the next the are bias? You cant have it both ways

unfortunately we are rejecting a framework

And we will have to start again we can decide what we liked before and try to keep that, and we probably will do that with most things.

2 things though we may not get as good terms as before and we will all be poorer beacuse change is painful and expensive.

Think of it in terms of a divorce, painful and expensive, all we can hope it that as a nation we have a collective wild period where we all sleep with as many people as we can as is common after a break up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it is clear from post vote revelations the leave camp spun a load of lies and is only now becoming clear to leave voters they have been check mated on the immigration policies which was there main concerns for being out of the EU

... and the facts to support your opinion are exactly? What are these 'Post vote revelations'? What lies exactly?

I was a volunteer and campaigner for Vote Leave. Before doing so I made damn sure I knew all the claims and arguments. The only part of that campaign I disagreed with (and said so) was the £350 Mn a week figure. Technically its correct (and if you really look at the costs its actually a very low figure) as that is the budget we have to adhere to but I think we could have said £277 Mn as that is the cash figure.

As for the rest of our 'claims' as you put it? All were accurate and thought out. We were offering the people of the UK an alternative set of options that are only available outside the EU for a future Government to implement in one form or another as the electorate chose. This was not a General Election and for people to think we voted on a Thursday and everything is in place on Friday is just daft. Sorry!

We now have that freedom. That independence and I believe with all my heart (and my head) that we will be a better country for it.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

No we don't."

Nope, made my mind up about the EU years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded.

How dare you! Your the narrow minded one presuming over half the nation voted out based on immigration

I've not asked every one who voted leave their reasons for voting leave.

But I have asked every one I know who voted leave why, and the majority of those people gave immigration as one of the reasons.

And they speak for all? No leave voter i know has voted based on immigration. And besides that leaving the eu doesnt mean that we automatically dump everything we were as part of the eu!

Of course they don't speak for all, this is just the opinions of 20 or so people I have asked and have been truthful enough to share their reasons.

Of course they will so why are you making out that they are right and unbias in one sentence and the next the are bias? You cant have it both ways

unfortunately we are rejecting a framework

And we will have to start again we can decide what we liked before and try to keep that, and we probably will do that with most things.

2 things though we may not get as good terms as before and we will all be poorer beacuse change is painful and expensive.

'Probably do that' well works for me. Decide what woks for us going forward yep exactly why i voted out now we can choose. It wasnt working and now we have a period of uncertainty and discussion for what i believe will be better in the future. There are many good things about being in the eu. But i dont believe in all or nothing. It was painted as that was our choice and now its done the eu have gone back on that. I see lots of opportunities personally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just wonder which person will be brave enough to invoke article 50 it has become a poisoned challise but we will see

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over a year ago

" I'm not making out that they are right in doing it, I'm pointing out that when people think we can have what we had In terms of workers rights they might be mistaken. I don't want to give up these rights "

You and many others believe all our rights come from the EU when they do not. We started maternity rights in the 1911 National Insurance Act. We enacted Holiday Pay in the same Act of 1938. We brought in a minimum wage before the EU existed while we were in the EEC. A Tory Government created the Living Wage last year. Human Rights come from the Charter the UK drafted and comes from the Council of Europe not the EU.

The only thing the EU created for Worker's Rights was the Working Time Directive. And didn't THAT work out well... When I was driving trucks I was doing a 60 hour week and getting a pittance because of the Polish who undercut us working for agencies.... Where were MY rights then? And the rights of thousands of Ford, Vauxhall, Peugeot and other workers whose jobs were shipped overseas aided by EU funding?

The EU has done nothing for worker's rights and severely damaged British worker's wages with 'Free Movement of Labour'. Ask the Bank of England.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and the vote is only advisory , parliament does not have to follow the voters direction

I will believe were leaving the EU as and when article 50 is invoked as of now I have doubts the article will ever be invoked

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

"This is the trouble the UK faces today

far to many pessimist's and sheer lack of optimist views

Nothing is ever gained without risk, all great achievers endure great risk, sadly it looks like we have far to many pessimistic views and a lack of achievers

Is this the new bogeyman now 'europe' can't be blamed for everything now?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and the vote is only advisory , parliament does not have to follow the voters direction

I will believe were leaving the EU as and when article 50 is invoked as of now I have doubts the article will ever be invoked "

Only someone as daft as jeremy Corbyn would do such a stupid thing as to ignore the democratically given wishes of the British people. And he ain't going to have the keys to No 10 any time soon so Article 50 will be enacted as soon as its the right time. We have nothing to gain by rushing and the fact that the EU WANTS us to rush tells me to delay ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I sincerely hope you are wrong but that is only my little opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they wanted to remain Dave should have said he wanted to leave.... Nobody likes him, nobody trusts him and nobody believes anything him or Osborne say.... Generally people fucking hate politicans, you can see that from recent events.

It's not accidental, they've basically screwed over millions of citizens for decades.

The EU isn't any better at not screwing over people, what we're actually seeing throughout the world is people who are fed up to the back teeth of politicans and basically politics that hasn't worked for them.... You've got the middle class Dick's on here bleeting on about pensions and recessions while for the last 40 years the lowest paid workers in the west have technically all been in recession.

Were reaping the financial apartheid of wealth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

but the great british public democratically voted for mr Cameron in last years election ! I for one did not

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

so you're saying mum has left dad .... she's got 65 miilion kids to look after as a single parent now ..... your metaphor is idiotic

What's idiotic is how you've twisted the metaphor.

I'm talking about two individuals.

But I'll bite. Would you rather Mum and her 65million kids stayed with some dick who drank their money away and subjected them to abusive behaviour?

i'm still a neutral on the referendum as i have been since it's inception. your metaphor is still idiotic though

Who are you trying to kid saying you are neutral????

You've been making pro Remain Comments On This Forum For The Last 6 Months.

show me mister swivel eyes

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

But it was mostly based on anti immigration, let's see how they feel in a few years time.

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By *ophieslut OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

David Cameron has been fairly clever in resigning whilst not invoking Article 50 departure notice. It is, with the Tory party leadership role, the poisoned chalice, as noted above. The referendum result is not binding, as it's up to parliament to decide, with Prime Minister implementing the Article 50 decision.

I was pro Europe at the start of the referendum but wanted to learn and decide throughout it just what my decision would be - and I was happy to vote for exit, if it were really to be the better option. But I increasingly became certain that the whole process hadn't really been sufficiently prepared - based on my needs (though I'm certainly not a typical citizen, and can't assume others think/feel like me).

Because I, as a member of the public, not a government official, wasn't privy to post Article 50 plans, it meant that I needed a more detailed strategy. It also meant that MPs in both camps couldn't mislead the public, because the official line would have been certain. So all parties could generally make up and say anything - and I think both camps did this, to some extent.

I had to surmise generally what a winning exit vote would entail for our expats abroad, and for other countries' expats living/working here, what it would mean to the population of Gibraltar; Northern Ireland bordering the Republic of Ireland/an EU member state; what workload the UK would inherit from the EU - its cost and how it would impact upon us; how many years the transition would take, and what would be happening in that time, including immigration and what trade tariffs would mean for our country and economy. These are just some things that could have been thought through and communicated, so that both sides had certain government opinions that they couldn't stray from.

They could have stated that if another Prime Minister was elected, then things might change, but wouldn't have been able to imply that more money would be invested in the NHS, if it wasn't official government policy.

My overall thoughts are that we benefit from learning from our experiences and often our errors are the experiences that we can learn most from. That's not that the result was an error, merely that we seem to have made some during the process.

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

so you're saying mum has left dad .... she's got 65 miilion kids to look after as a single parent now ..... your metaphor is idiotic

What's idiotic is how you've twisted the metaphor.

I'm talking about two individuals.

But I'll bite. Would you rather Mum and her 65million kids stayed with some dick who drank their money away and subjected them to abusive behaviour?

i'm still a neutral on the referendum as i have been since it's inception. your metaphor is still idiotic though

Do we have to resort to insulting people. Debate like an adult or dont make a comment of you have no opnion"

It is a dumb (nonsensical) metaphor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A sweeping statement, and completely unfounded bollocks from most of the Brexiters I've spoken to. Glad we took the decision to leave and still glad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and the vote is only advisory , parliament does not have to follow the voters direction

I will believe were leaving the EU as and when article 50 is invoked as of now I have doubts the article will ever be invoked

The EU ink wants people in it who will agree with what they want to do, Britain has told them no! So they want rid of us asap

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nonsense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Crap. I voted Leave and am more convinced I was right by every day that passes. we can be a great independent country again unshackled from the 'Directives' from the EU. We do not need that shower of shit telling us how to live our lives. yes we will be a very different country from where we are now but I have the belief in the British people to make it just the best it can be.

An added bonus will be seeing the EU crumble nation by nation as others find the courage we found. Once again the UK leading Europe into freedom.

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

An added bonus will be seeing the EU crumble nation by nation as others find the courage we found. Once again the UK leading Europe into freedom."

Well said !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded.

How dare you! Your the narrow minded one presuming over half the nation voted out based on immigration

"
I'd say 90 percent of vote leave was based on immigration FACT WHY because we don't like them and we don't want them simple

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

An added bonus will be seeing the EU crumble nation by nation as others find the courage we found. Once again the UK leading Europe into freedom.

Well said !!!!"

Why have any joy in millions of people suffering? The repercussions of Brexit will be negative for years to come. I wouldn't use Blind optimism to buy a car, let alone define a nations future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An added bonus will be seeing the EU crumble nation by nation as others find the courage we found. Once again the UK leading Europe into freedom."

Possibly, but it might be an end to 60 years of safety security and stability.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded.

How dare you! Your the narrow minded one presuming over half the nation voted out based on immigration

I'd say 90 percent of vote leave was based on immigration FACT WHY because we don't like them and we don't want them simple

So who is them...?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded.

How dare you! Your the narrow minded one presuming over half the nation voted out based on immigration

I'd say 90 percent of vote leave was based on immigration FACT WHY because we don't like them and we don't want them simple

Speak for yourself!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded.

How dare you! Your the narrow minded one presuming over half the nation voted out based on immigration

I'd say 90 percent of vote leave was based on immigration FACT WHY because we don't like them and we don't want them simple

Speak for yourself! "

Is this serious or is it a troll

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded.

How dare you! Your the narrow minded one presuming over half the nation voted out based on immigration

I'd say 90 percent of vote leave was based on immigration FACT WHY because we don't like them and we don't want them simple

Speak for yourself!

Is this serious or is it a troll"

Troll i hope

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

Of course. We believed there was going to be endless sunshine and daisies.

Where have you got your numbers from to say "most Brexiters"?

Most of us knew it was probably going to be hard for the first few years while making mew trade deals and getting our own laws and economy back up to scratch.

But we know we'll get there.

We're one of the richest nations, We'll get there. x

We were one of the richest nations on earth, why would you want to make things worse, if even for a few years.

Would you stay in an abusive relationship for fear of being on your own?

A lot of break ups take a while for the individuals to find their feet again (sorting out their housing situation, finances, etc).

In the long run, I think we will be better off.

I'm now faced with the prospect of uncertainty likely recession and being stuck in a country where the majority of the people are xenophobes or at the very least closed minded.

How dare you! Your the narrow minded one presuming over half the nation voted out based on immigration

I'd say 90 percent of vote leave was based on immigration FACT WHY because we don't like them and we don't want them simple

Speak for yourself!

Is this serious or is it a troll

Troll i hope"

or one of those racists that folk are in denial about is another possibility

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do we?

Sorry shag but your really have come out with some utter nonsense lately. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

M.P's lie.

Its as simple as that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"M.P's lie.

Its as simple as that."
they don't lie ! there economical with the truth that's all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never realised how infantile people gave been over this referendum. Untruths on all sides.. People getting petty and having temper tantrums over the result and wanting a re run, some wanting it overturned in parliament, people regretting vote to leave and childishly crying about it on tv.. What a bunch of babies! Is this democracy? I think brexit will not go through due to the amount of spoilt brats wailing till they get their own way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An added bonus will be seeing the EU crumble nation by nation as others find the courage we found. Once again the UK leading Europe into freedom.

Well said !!!!"
+1

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An added bonus will be seeing the EU crumble nation by nation as others find the courage we found. Once again the UK leading Europe into freedom.

Well said !!!!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I based my vote on the lack of democracy the eu offers.. (ironically those wanting to remain want to lose it) awful deals like ttip and othe future rotten future deals we'll have no say on. Yes there were dodgy facts but unlike the whingers, the babies who want to change their vote i would vote leave again because i looked at facts and not the crap that was bandit about on all sides.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello Shagtonight,

Absolutely not; bothe sides spouted a load of rubbish at times and the Remain have to take some of the blame for the instability in the markets.

Everyone is wrong when they say there is no plan, there is a very detailed plan covering all aspects which has been in existence for some time. I trust the government and the civil service take heed of it (they are aware of it) as it will minimise any short term effects and keep us in the E.U. trade market. Look for Flexit, but be prepared to sit down for a long time to read it.

Alec

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"Hello Shagtonight,

Absolutely not; bothe sides spouted a load of rubbish at times and the Remain have to take some of the blame for the instability in the markets.

Alec"

you sure? is anybody sure about anything at the moment other than we currently appear to have no discernable leadership?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thu4I9Wd1Hg

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where you went wrong guys, is not having the foresight to back a winning argument

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we went wrong by give in the brain dead the right to vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lets not jump to conclusions before the fact of the matters are concluded....be positive and work together for an independent new Great Britain.

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By *sussexyMan
over a year ago

Lewes

Flexit is a plan. But I have never heard any of the Leave campaign mention it or say they will follow it. Indeed I thought it one of the greatest strengths of the Leave campaign that they didn't have a Plan. There was therefore nothing wrong with the plan. There were no limitations to the plan, and no mistakes.

Genius!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hello Shagtonight,

Absolutely not; bothe sides spouted a load of rubbish at times and the Remain have to take some of the blame for the instability in the markets.

Alec

you sure? is anybody sure about anything at the moment other than we currently appear to have no discernable leadership?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thu4I9Wd1Hg"
Hi alec and _its_n_pieces

And that is right, there are no plans for the country and as the guy in the video above said, the only one that has it, is scotland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"we went wrong by give in the brain dead the right to vote "

You do know that the average IQ is 100?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"we went wrong by give in the brain dead the right to vote

You do know that the average IQ is 100?"

wonder which way the brain dead voted?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aggghhhh we've got no leadership we've got no governance.... What will we do, let's all run around like headless chickens... Oh wait, it's just like every other fucking summer when parliament fuck off, only this time there actually there!!!.

If somebody's out there,say alone on their sofa, scared and frightened, waiting for Dave to come on the TV with some advice and lead them....

....

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By *iss_hotasfukWoman
over a year ago

Newport

"This is the trouble the UK faces today

far to many pessimist's and sheer lack of optimist views

Nothing is ever gained without risk, all great achievers endure great risk, sadly it looks like we have far to many pessimistic views and a lack of achievers

100% correct no plan for when we left? Reason for that is they thought we would never vote out"

So true, I thought it was a joke when I read it, never thought we would vote out either, even with everybody I spoke to being out, all good though, except the share price

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's accepted that stay and leave campaigns got things wrong. But was this referendum's foundation, or something fundamental about it wrong?

Genuine question here but what plan and what action do people expect to have been carried out in 72 hours?

What needed to be done?

The BOE did it's preprepared measures to help mitigate some of the finanical effects.

But politics wise there's nothing to do other than sit down and negotiate first within our own commins then with europe.

You cant really plan something that requires negotiation.

So just a quick outline of what plan you would have liked to seen enacted this weekend.

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By *iss_hotasfukWoman
over a year ago

Newport

"Lets not jump to conclusions before the fact of the matters are concluded....be positive and work together for an independent new Great Britain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"we went wrong by give in the brain dead the right to vote

You do know that the average IQ is 100?"

Only for the young.

In the 40+ bracket its in the 90s.

Because the test is deigned so that the average person taking it gets 100 but the average ability goes up every few years so the test has to be reevaluated to make sure that scores dont creep up but stay at 100.

About 3 points a decade iirc so if you got 100 10 years ago its only worth 97 now

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Aggghhhh we've got no leadership we've got no governance.... What will we do, let's all run around like headless chickens... Oh wait, it's just like every other fucking summer when parliament fuck off, only this time there actually there!!!.

If somebody's out there,say alone on their sofa, scared and frightened, waiting for Dave to come on the TV with some advice and lead them....

...."

I wonder if these Remain voters were neglected as children, now as adults they need someone to constantly hold their hand.

Seriously though It's been 4 days since the result was announced, pretty sure the people (including the MP's) on both sides of a tiring campaign wanted a well deserved rest over the weekend. People should give them a break, there is no rush to trigger article 50, we do it on our terms when we are ready. Article 50 will be triggered when we have a new government, new Prime Minister is put in place, and a new opposition Labour party too. The EU elites can throw tantrums and toys out the pram all they like (even though we voted to leave they still think they can tell us what to do, seems they learned absolutely nothing) telling us to "act quickly" and "Get on with it". The arrogance displayed by the EU elites is beyond belief. I am so glad we have removed ourselves from this rotten, failing organisation. Why is everyone in such a rush? Britain needs to take its time with this to get the best outcome, everything will fall into place in time. As for the volatility in the financial markets I think a lot of this was caused by the claims the Remain campaign made before last Thursday, the rhetoric spouted by George Osborne has made it much worse than it needed to be, now this morning he has had to make a speech to talk up the British economy, if he had done that during the campaign the volatility wouldn't be as bad as it is now. The former governor of the Bank of England Sir Mervyn King said today that this volatility in the markets is a temporary thing that will stabilise and recover over time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was lies on both sides not just leavers and to me I am glad we left

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"we went wrong by give in the brain dead the right to vote

You do know that the average IQ is 100?

Only for the young.

In the 40+ bracket its in the 90s.

About 3 points a decade iirc so if you got 100 10 years ago its only worth 97 now"

And it is re-evaluated so that the average IQ is 100.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"we went wrong by give in the brain dead the right to vote

You do know that the average IQ is 100?

Only for the young.

In the 40+ bracket its in the 90s.

About 3 points a decade iirc so if you got 100 10 years ago its only worth 97 now

And it is re-evaluated so that the average IQ is 100.

Yes thats shat i said but thats for that generation.

This has been used in the USA in the past to argue that a low iq person is medically retarded/handicapped by modernstandards as they can knock points off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"we went wrong by give in the brain dead the right to vote

You do know that the average IQ is 100?

Only for the young.

In the 40+ bracket its in the 90s.

About 3 points a decade iirc so if you got 100 10 years ago its only worth 97 now

And it is re-evaluated so that the average IQ is 100.

Yes thats shat i said but thats for that generation.

This has been used in the USA in the past to argue that a low iq person is medically retarded/handicapped by modernstandards as they can knock points off"

This was in response - originally - to that sort of post that implied that the UK was stupid.

Well, the average IQ is 100.

Who knows how many people with a below average IQ voted for remain and how many voted for leave?

Our politicians in any event are mandated to represent the people, whether or not they can pass an IQ test.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied

"we went wrong by give in the brain dead the right to vote

You do know that the average IQ is 100?

Only for the young.

In the 40+ bracket its in the 90s.

About 3 points a decade iirc so if you got 100 10 years ago its only worth 97 now

And it is re-evaluated so that the average IQ is 100.

Yes thats shat i said but thats for that generation.

This has been used in the USA in the past to argue that a low iq person is medically retarded/handicapped by modernstandards as they can knock points off

This was in response - originally - to that sort of post that implied that the UK was stupid.

Well, the average IQ is 100.

Who knows how many people with a below average IQ voted for remain and how many voted for leave?

Our politicians in any event are mandated to represent the people, whether or not they can pass an IQ test."

They represent all people any deal will take the opinions of all voters the 52% % the 48% ..dont be surprised when a deal is offered that tries to suit all ..eg Norway type deal ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there already talking about tempering and modifying the leave road way to brexit to take into account the 48% remain voters yes I think it will take a Norway style

free movement of people and still paying millions weekly to access the single market

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all. The leave camp are not in Government, it falls to the incumbent leaders to carry through the wishes of the majority. Never expected the transition to be an easy one, but, the post EU UK will be one with a global outlook and billions of customers to trade with, currently out of reach within the EU framework.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Wrong. We can already trade with whoever we want. Our challenge going forward is that by leaving the EU we do not have any preferential deals with many of these markets and therefore we will be at a disadvantage.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied

"there already talking about tempering and modifying the leave road way to brexit to take into account the 48% remain voters yes I think it will take a Norway style

free movement of people and still paying millions weekly to access the single market "
think it will allow for some limitations on movement and not taking all laws and directives ..wouldn't be surprised to hear leaked documents from the EU in the next few months

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"I think it's accepted that stay and leave campaigns got things wrong. But was this referendum's foundation, or something fundamental about it wrong?

You'd have thought there would be a plan of action, but there wasn't.

Which is strange consider the BoE had put plans in place, so why hadn't Downing St?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How?. UK will negotiate bi-lateral trade deals with these markets and will more than likely still trade tarrif free with EU bloc. Concessions with EU will more than likely have to be offered to appease them. The euro zone is stagnating anyway, by trading with emerging markets growth can only follow.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Which emerging markets?

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

We can't actually do this until we are out - 2 years at leadt, so get used to the turmoil, it may not be what you voted for, but it is what we have got...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We can't actually do this until we are out - 2 years at leadt, so get used to the turmoil, it may not be what you voted for, but it is what we have got..."
thanx a bunch

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By *dze 23Man
over a year ago

plymouth

Cameron thought they would win, when they lost he had no plan so he quits so it's up to the new pm and the conservative party to sort it out as they are the government not the ones who lead the out side, so stop saying it's the out sides problem it's not it should be camerons but he has chickened out, he called for the referendum as part of the Conservative manifesto to win the general election simple get over it

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

We can't actually do this until we are out - 2 years at leadt, so get used to the turmoil, it may not be what you voted for, but it is what we have got...thanx a bunch "

If i could work this out i can't see why 17m people could get it soooo wrong!

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Cameron thought they would win, when they lost he had no plan so he quits so it's up to the new pm and the conservative party to sort it out as they are the government not the ones who lead the out side, so stop saying it's the out sides problem it's not it should be camerons but he has chickened out, he called for the referendum as part of the Conservative manifesto to win the general election simple get over it "

Of course it is out's problem!? We need someone driving this who wants it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We can't actually do this until we are out - 2 years at leadt, so get used to the turmoil, it may not be what you voted for, but it is what we have got...thanx a bunch

If i could work this out i can't see why 17m people could get it soooo wrong!"
and 16 million people didn't want it

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

We can't actually do this until we are out - 2 years at leadt, so get used to the turmoil, it may not be what you voted for, but it is what we have got...thanx a bunch

If i could work this out i can't see why 17m people could get it soooo wrong!and 16 million people didn't want it "

So one of the 17m should take the lead...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We can't actually do this until we are out - 2 years at leadt, so get used to the turmoil, it may not be what you voted for, but it is what we have got...thanx a bunch

If i could work this out i can't see why 17m people could get it soooo wrong!and 16 million people didn't want it

So one of the 17m should take the lead..."
if they follow thru with it all yes it has to be an outter at the helm it wudnt make much sense otherwise

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

We can't actually do this until we are out - 2 years at leadt, so get used to the turmoil, it may not be what you voted for, but it is what we have got...thanx a bunch

If i could work this out i can't see why 17m people could get it soooo wrong!and 16 million people didn't want it

So one of the 17m should take the lead...if they follow thru with it all yes it has to be an outter at the helm it wudnt make much sense otherwise "

Agreed, sadly none of the promises they made will actually come to fruition...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We can't actually do this until we are out - 2 years at leadt, so get used to the turmoil, it may not be what you voted for, but it is what we have got...thanx a bunch

If i could work this out i can't see why 17m people could get it soooo wrong!and 16 million people didn't want it

So one of the 17m should take the lead...if they follow thru with it all yes it has to be an outter at the helm it wudnt make much sense otherwise

Agreed, sadly none of the promises they made will actually come to fruition..."
ive been saying that since Friday morning and now slowly its dripping out the real situation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course it is out's problem!? We need someone driving this who wants it

Oor nicola will sort it out lol

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Of course it is out's problem!? We need someone driving this who wants it

Oor nicola will sort it out lol

Nicola to stand as PM ala James IV/I? I'd vote for that

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Of course it is out's problem!? We need someone driving this who wants it

Oor nicola will sort it out lol

Nicola to stand as PM ala James IV/I? I'd vote for that

Sorry, James VI

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As usual when faced with tough choices and tough times ahead as usual the spineless wimps come out waving their arms about..PATHETIC

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As usual when faced with tough choices and tough times ahead as usual the spineless wimps come out waving their arms about..PATHETIC"
quite !

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"As usual when faced with tough choices and tough times ahead as usual the spineless wimps come out waving their arms about..PATHETIC"

So what are you doing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all dont presume to know why people voted and how they feelI know, they interviewed people on the news, as well it was on social media and many updates about it on twitter.

The public sector is still going through the recession it never left. "

Has been for the past 7+ years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For goodness sake. It"s been 2 working days since we've voted out. Of course there's a plan in place, what do people expect so soon? Are people so miffed because they lost the argument and couldn't actually see what was for the best that they now want the worst to happen so they can somehow justify themselves? It aint gonna happen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For goodness sake. It"s been 2 working days since we've voted out. Of course there's a plan in place, what do people expect so soon? Are people so miffed because they lost the argument and couldn't actually see what was for the best that they now want the worst to happen so they can somehow justify themselves? It aint gonna happen"
this sour grapes flag has become a bit passe change the record please

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By *orksfuncoupleCouple
over a year ago

huddersfield

No we don't all feel sick or betrayed, some of us saw past the nonsense from both sides and choose what they wanted with a rational head x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For goodness sake. It"s been 2 working days since we've voted out. Of course there's a plan in place, what do people expect so soon? Are people so miffed because they lost the argument and couldn't actually see what was for the best that they now want the worst to happen so they can somehow justify themselves? It aint gonna happenthis sour grapes flag has become a bit passe change the record please "

exactly. Embrace the result and be positive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For goodness sake. It"s been 2 working days since we've voted out. Of course there's a plan in place, what do people expect so soon? Are people so miffed because they lost the argument and couldn't actually see what was for the best that they now want the worst to happen so they can somehow justify themselves? It aint gonna happen"
lets hope brexit lives up to how it was swallowed but I doubt it will somehow just my opinion

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No we don't."

Certainly do not feel sick...complete opposite. We have the leaders...The difference now is they will ALL be United for once and work togetherfor the best...unlike before.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No leaders? do you not understand that this was a vote to leave Europe.

The leaders of Brexit were never going to rise to power and be thrust into office.

The conservative government still runs the country so what does Cameron as leader do?

A. Have contingency plans in place for the possibility of an exit.

B. Lose, sulk, and say "Let someone else see to it all I'm not doing it""

Exactly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No we don't.

Certainly do not feel sick...complete opposite. We have the leaders...The difference now is they will ALL be United for once and work togetherfor the best...unlike before."
plus the England team backed up Brexit by leaving the euros !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No we don't.

Certainly do not feel sick...complete opposite. We have the leaders...The difference now is they will ALL be United for once and work togetherfor the best...unlike before. plus the England team backed up Brexit by leaving the euros !"

Indeed

Wales for the finals...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No we don't.

Indeed

Wales for the finals...

"
well really they should back up England , but fuck it come on Wales

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No we don't.

can we bar them from getting back into the country now then

please!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No we don't.

can we bar them from getting back into the country now then

please!"
i think that's only right and fair

Wales , Iceland final ? I know unlikely but

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No we don't.

can we bar them from getting back into the country now then

please!i think that's only right and fair

Wales , Iceland final ? I know unlikely but "

I just quoted that on another post ...lmao

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No we don't.

can we bar them from getting back into the country now then

please!i think that's only right and fair

Wales , Iceland final ? I know unlikely but

I just quoted that on another post ...lmao

A dream ! Good luck to both of them . Enjoy while they can ,wish them both the very best !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No we don't.

can we bar them from getting back into the country now then

please!i think that's only right and fair

Wales , Iceland final ? I know unlikely but

I just quoted that on another post ...lmao

A dream ! Good luck to both of them . Enjoy while they can ,wish them both the very best !"

I think they can get to the final though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No we don't.

can we bar them from getting back into the country now then

please!i think that's only right and fair

Wales , Iceland final ? I know unlikely but

I just quoted that on another post ...lmao

A dream ! Good luck to both of them . Enjoy while they can ,wish them both the very best !

I think they can get to the final though."

Would be great one or both

Iceland are a good team , as are Wales . I'll go for Wales myself as part of uk .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just been watching Newsnight (yeah I know I shouldn't) and at the end Evan and two journos were happily discussing how the best way out of this is to ignore the Referendum and stay in .... I mean what planet are the BBC, the North London chattering classes and the media on? They say the EU doesn't get it but Jeeez the BBC really doesn't get it at all.

What part of' WE WANT TO FUCKING LEAVE' don't they quite understand?

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By *sussexyMan
over a year ago

Lewes

I think the only way to _ensure_ that we leave (rather than just fuck up the markets, look like dicks, take us all back to the middle ages and then change our minds) is to have a general election that yields a mandate to Brexit. There are many other ways that might work....

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