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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

During the campaign, maybe people on the Leave side mentioned the democratic deficit, concerned that they were being ruled by unelected politicians.

Now we are going to be solely ruled at Westminster, by the Prime Minister, but my question is, how many people in this country will get to vote for the next Prime Minister?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"During the campaign, maybe people on the Leave side mentioned the democratic deficit, concerned that they were being ruled by unelected politicians.

Now we are going to be solely ruled at Westminster, by the Prime Minister, but my question is, how many people in this country will get to vote for the next Prime Minister? "

None unless youre a tory MP...

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

More qualify than were allowed to vote yesterday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same thing happen with Brown

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Same thing happen with Brown "

And Major, but why does no one seem to care when it happens in Westminster, when they were apparently appalled by it in Brussels?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Same thing happen with Brown

And Major, but why does no one seem to care when it happens in Westminster, when they were apparently appalled by it in Brussels? "
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In three and a half years time you get to choose!.

That's how it works, if enough of us feel angry and object enough you can remove them while in power.... Think thatcher and to an extent Blair

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular


"More qualify than were allowed to vote yesterday "

Misread OP

It will be the MPs.

Look what happened the last time democracy was practiced, we Got Corbyn and left the EU

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

150,000 Tory party members will eventualy vote for the new PM, but after all the comments about Brown being an unelected PM, I expect a General Election to be called pretty quickly once they've decided who their leader is going to be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Same thing happen with Brown

And Major, but why does no one seem to care when it happens in Westminster, when they were apparently appalled by it in Brussels? "

I think there should be a general election as soon as possible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well everyone in the country had the chance to vote for Cameron or not at the last election. Are you saying nobody knew he would be PM if the Tories got in?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Same thing happen with Brown

And Major, but why does no one seem to care when it happens in Westminster, when they were apparently appalled by it in Brussels? "

Thank we did on both of them, I know there was a lot of complaining when Brown got in, just didn't make any difference

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Camoron always said he would step down before the next election so the new leader would be in place. Nothing changes, nothing stays the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Same thing happen with Brown

And Major, but why does no one seem to care when it happens in Westminster, when they were apparently appalled by it in Brussels?

I think there should be a general election as soon as possible. "

Well we have the fixed term parliaments act now. The PM can't just call an election before 2020. First they would need to repeal that act of parliament.

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By *exxxesCouple
over a year ago

Newbury / London

To be slightly pedantic, you vote in a general election for the MP in your constituency which represents the party whom you elect to back (or prefer based on local politics). The PM is just the head of the winning party with a majority. Therefore, in 2015 we backed Conservative as a party - not David Cameron directly...

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

If there is a democratic deficit to fix scrap the house of lords now

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"150,000 Tory party members will eventualy vote for the new PM, but after all the comments about Brown being an unelected PM, I expect a General Election to be called pretty quickly once they've decided who their leader is going to be."

Tory party will not want another election before 2020, they will say a smooth transition for 'stability' is now necessary..

they wont want to risk it with a small majority even with Labour in a mess..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"If there is a democratic deficit to fix scrap the house of lords now "

this..

not elected just like those we have broken away from..

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"To be slightly pedantic, you vote in a general election for the MP in your constituency which represents the party whom you elect to back (or prefer based on local politics). The PM is just the head of the winning party with a majority. Therefore, in 2015 we backed Conservative as a party - not David Cameron directly..."

Exactly, and we also have cabinet government, but don't get to chose those. Look how unpopular Hunt & Langsley have been as health ministers or Gove as education Secretary or Ian Duncan Smith as Work and Pensions Secretary. We didn't get a vote on them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will Gisela Stuart become Labours New Leader and eventually PM

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Calm collective level headed lady,

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She would get my vote

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

I was being to be less grumpy and you mentioned dimwit IDS

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"150,000 Tory party members will eventualy vote for the new PM, but after all the comments about Brown being an unelected PM, I expect a General Election to be called pretty quickly once they've decided who their leader is going to be."

Well if there are more than two candidates, its up to the Conservative MP to vote until there are only two candidates remaining. Only then does the wider party get to vote on the leader.

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford


"Will Gisela Stuart become Labours New Leader and eventually PM

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Calm collective level headed lady,

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She would get my vote

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She can do everyone a favour and cross the floor to the Tory side. Pure scum

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By *omersetfun15Couple
over a year ago

bridgwater


"More qualify than were allowed to vote yesterday

Misread OP

It will be the MPs.

Look what happened the last time democracy was practiced, we Got Corbyn and left the EU"

Blair brown corbyn now that is a bbc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will Gisela Stuart become Labours New Leader and eventually PM

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Calm collective level headed lady,

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She would get my vote

She can do everyone a favour and cross the floor to the Tory side. Pure scum "

that's not very polite calling a lady MP scum

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford


"Will Gisela Stuart become Labours New Leader and eventually PM

.

Calm collective level headed lady,

.

She would get my vote

She can do everyone a favour and cross the floor to the Tory side. Pure scum

that's not very polite calling a lady MP scum"

I do my best She has disgraced the labour party by being extremely close to Boris. NO forgiveness

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"During the campaign, maybe people on the Leave side mentioned the democratic deficit, concerned that they were being ruled by unelected politicians.

Now we are going to be solely ruled at Westminster, by the Prime Minister, but my question is, how many people in this country will get to vote for the next Prime Minister? "

Or the House of Lords?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be slightly pedantic, you vote in a general election for the MP in your constituency which represents the party whom you elect to back (or prefer based on local politics). The PM is just the head of the winning party with a majority. Therefore, in 2015 we backed Conservative as a party - not David Cameron directly...

Exactly, and we also have cabinet government, but don't get to chose those. Look how unpopular Hunt & Langsley have been as health ministers or Gove as education Secretary or Ian Duncan Smith as Work and Pensions Secretary. We didn't get a vote on them. "

But that is the same as in any other country too. The leader of the ruling party (in Britain the PM) chooses their cabinet.

In the American system, you elect the President, he decides upon his cabinet, some of whom have never been elected to any political office. At least here in the UK all the cabinet have been elected to political office by their constituents. Would this be more preferable, i dont think it would.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Therefore, in 2015 we backed Conservative as a party "

Speak for yourself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do wonder how many of these who moan about unelected politicians actually bothered to vote in the MEP elections. Considering last time it was a record low I bet not many!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

who the fuck votes for the house of lords?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"who the fuck votes for the house of lords?"

No one! They are appointed.

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford


"who the fuck votes for the house of lords?

No one! They are appointed. "

800 odd with no public mandate. And they call it democratic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"who the fuck votes for the house of lords?

No one! They are appointed.

800 odd with no public mandate. And they call it democratic "

exactly,,now can we quit bullshitting the idea of democracy in this country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"who the fuck votes for the house of lords?

No one! They are appointed.

800 odd with no public mandate. And they call it democratic

exactly,,now can we quit bullshitting the idea of democracy in this country"

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"who the fuck votes for the house of lords?

No one! They are appointed.

800 odd with no public mandate. And they call it democratic

exactly,,now can we quit bullshitting the idea of democracy in this country"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are winners and losers in all parts of life. I think its a crying shame that many people in this country of ours are rushing to point fingers and call people names. The country was given the opportunity to speak and speak is what we did. Some voted in and some voted out. It just so happens that more voted out. That's democracy for you, if you don't like it then I suggest that North Korea might be a better option for you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"who the fuck votes for the house of lords?

No one! They are appointed.

800 odd with no public mandate. And they call it democratic

exactly,,now can we quit bullshitting the idea of democracy in this country

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One of the best methods to find a democratic way of governance is via a voting system of proportional representation as has been used in European Assembly elections. Such a system, AV, ok not the best available but more representative than first past the post, was decided upon in a referendum in 2011 by the UK electorate.

The overwhelming majority said no to the change in system, as such we now continue to use what we have. The first past the post system leads to majority party power, the leader of the majority party become a prime minister and elects his cabinet and appoints people to the house of Lords.

People will complain about democracy or non-democracy in elections but the British public have chosen our voting system and have to stick with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"who the fuck votes for the house of lords?

No one! They are appointed.

800 odd with no public mandate. And they call it democratic

exactly,,now can we quit bullshitting the idea of democracy in this country

One of the best methods to find a democratic way of governance is via a voting system of proportional representation as has been used in European Assembly elections. Such a system, AV, ok not the best available but more representative than first past the post, was decided upon in a referendum in 2011 by the UK electorate.

The overwhelming majority said no to the change in system, as such we now continue to use what we have. The first past the post system leads to majority party power, the leader of the majority party become a prime minister and elects his cabinet and appoints people to the house of Lords.

People will complain about democracy or non-democracy in elections but the British public have chosen our voting system and have to stick with it. "

did you,,well no one asked me about the house of lords

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford


"There are winners and losers in all parts of life. I think its a crying shame that many people in this country of ours are rushing to point fingers and call people names. The country was given the opportunity to speak and speak is what we did. Some voted in and some voted out. It just so happens that more voted out. That's democracy for you, if you don't like it then I suggest that North Korea might be a better option for you

"

The op had an idea to improve the UK and people replied with good ideas. That's free speech

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"who the fuck votes for the house of lords?

No one! They are appointed.

800 odd with no public mandate. And they call it democratic

exactly,,now can we quit bullshitting the idea of democracy in this country

One of the best methods to find a democratic way of governance is via a voting system of proportional representation as has been used in European Assembly elections. Such a system, AV, ok not the best available but more representative than first past the post, was decided upon in a referendum in 2011 by the UK electorate.

The overwhelming majority said no to the change in system, as such we now continue to use what we have. The first past the post system leads to majority party power, the leader of the majority party become a prime minister and elects his cabinet and appoints people to the house of Lords.

People will complain about democracy or non-democracy in elections but the British public have chosen our voting system and have to stick with it.

did you,,well no one asked me about the house of lords"

The House of Lords has been the same for centuries. There was talk of making it an elected body in previous government's, pretty much like the House of Congress and Senate in the US. Whether this will happen in the future who knows.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

The House of Lords actually worked quite well before they fucked about with it and claimed that the appointments would be more representative with working people being selected. They gave the seats to cronies and yes people until it has become the bloated mess it is now.

It should be scrapped and replaced with a house decided by Proportional representation. Then we would have one house with directly elected MPs and one house of PR

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The House of Lords actually worked quite well before they fucked about with it and claimed that the appointments would be more representative with working people being selected. They gave the seats to cronies and yes people until it has become the bloated mess it is now.

It should be scrapped and replaced with a house decided by Proportional representation. Then we would have one house with directly elected MPs and one house of PR"

burn it to the ground

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The House of Lords actually worked quite well before they fucked about with it and claimed that the appointments would be more representative with working people being selected. They gave the seats to cronies and yes people until it has become the bloated mess it is now.

It should be scrapped and replaced with a house decided by Proportional representation. Then we would have one house with directly elected MPs and one house of PR"

That would be a good option to have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The conservative parliamentary party will elect their new leader

As they are the party of government they the winner will become leader of the conservative party and there for the new PM.

The local conservative associations can lobby their Member of parliament if conservative .

The final decision will be that of the conservative MP's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Same thing happen with Brown

And Major, but why does no one seem to care when it happens in Westminster, when they were apparently appalled by it in Brussels? "

Major came to power....called an election as soon as sensible...and won it in 1992.... So not really a valid point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"who the fuck votes for the house of lords?

No one! They are appointed.

800 odd with no public mandate. And they call it democratic

exactly,,now can we quit bullshitting the idea of democracy in this country

"

The house of Lards (not a typo) is no longer able to legislate. The parliament act of 1911 as amended and strengthened in 1949 remove d that power from them. They can suggest amendments to acts and send them back to the commons for further consideration. They should be scrapped as they are no longer really relevant!

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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

In General Elections you vote for your local MP not the Prime Minister he or she will be the leader of whichever party can form a workable government (normally the largest party) so we never vote for the Prime Minister.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"who the fuck votes for the house of lords?

No one! They are appointed.

800 odd with no public mandate. And they call it democratic

exactly,,now can we quit bullshitting the idea of democracy in this country

The house of Lards (not a typo) is no longer able to legislate. The parliament act of 1911 as amended and strengthened in 1949 remove d that power from them. They can suggest amendments to acts and send them back to the commons for further consideration. They should be scrapped as they are no longer really relevant!"

They can do that, they can hold up bills so that they run out of session time, they can give their opinion as no we don't want it to be passed.

However the ultimate responsibility for passing laws is actually down to the reigning Monarch. Every bill passed into law has to be signed and approved by the monarch. These days it is very much just a ceremonial role, however the law still exists that she or he could say no. If that happened who knows what would be said and occur.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"who the fuck votes for the house of lords?

No one! They are appointed.

800 odd with no public mandate. And they call it democratic

exactly,,now can we quit bullshitting the idea of democracy in this country

One of the best methods to find a democratic way of governance is via a voting system of proportional representation as has been used in European Assembly elections. Such a system, AV, ok not the best available but more representative than first past the post, was decided upon in a referendum in 2011 by the UK electorate.

The overwhelming majority said no to the change in system, as such we now continue to use what we have. The first past the post system leads to majority party power, the leader of the majority party become a prime minister and elects his cabinet and appoints people to the house of Lords.

People will complain about democracy or non-democracy in elections but the British public have chosen our voting system and have to stick with it. "
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The current system we have is the least democratic but also the least prone to electing extremist parties....I suggest those people moaning about it, think on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I say that as a green party member

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over a year ago

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford


"And I say that as a green party member"

Fair point. The problem with first past the post it means the largest parties bottle up alot of people who don't belong together and the public gets frustrated with double talk necessary for party management.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"who the fuck votes for the house of lords?

No one! They are appointed.

800 odd with no public mandate. And they call it democratic

exactly,,now can we quit bullshitting the idea of democracy in this country

One of the best methods to find a democratic way of governance is via a voting system of proportional representation as has been used in European Assembly elections. Such a system, AV, ok not the best available but more representative than first past the post, was decided upon in a referendum in 2011 by the UK electorate.

The overwhelming majority said no to the change in system, as such we now continue to use what we have. The first past the post system leads to majority party power, the leader of the majority party become a prime minister and elects his cabinet and appoints people to the house of Lords.

People will complain about democracy or non-democracy in elections but the British public have chosen our voting system and have to stick with it. .

The current system we have is the least democratic but also the least prone to electing extremist parties....I suggest those people moaning about it, think on"

I didn't moan about it at all I was trying to give an unbiased interpretation of the British political system as it stands.

You are correct it is a way to stop extremist views coming into mainstream politics, however it also stops parties, such as the Green Party, from gaining more electoral influence when they are not extremists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"who the fuck votes for the house of lords?

No one! They are appointed.

800 odd with no public mandate. And they call it democratic

exactly,,now can we quit bullshitting the idea of democracy in this country

One of the best methods to find a democratic way of governance is via a voting system of proportional representation as has been used in European Assembly elections. Such a system, AV, ok not the best available but more representative than first past the post, was decided upon in a referendum in 2011 by the UK electorate.

The overwhelming majority said no to the change in system, as such we now continue to use what we have. The first past the post system leads to majority party power, the leader of the majority party become a prime minister and elects his cabinet and appoints people to the house of Lords.

People will complain about democracy or non-democracy in elections but the British public have chosen our voting system and have to stick with it. .

The current system we have is the least democratic but also the least prone to electing extremist parties....I suggest those people moaning about it, think on

I didn't moan about it at all I was trying to give an unbiased interpretation of the British political system as it stands.

You are correct it is a way to stop extremist views coming into mainstream politics, however it also stops parties, such as the Green Party, from gaining more electoral influence when they are not extremists."
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I agree that were not however you'll find an awful lot of people that think we are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one we vote for the policies the party represents and they internaly choose their best option for leadership. But like everything its a personality pissing contest and down to that more than anything else imo.

Cant blame a parties decision on the prime minister if the party is backing them too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"who the fuck votes for the house of lords?

No one! They are appointed.

800 odd with no public mandate. And they call it democratic

exactly,,now can we quit bullshitting the idea of democracy in this country

One of the best methods to find a democratic way of governance is via a voting system of proportional representation as has been used in European Assembly elections. Such a system, AV, ok not the best available but more representative than first past the post, was decided upon in a referendum in 2011 by the UK electorate.

The overwhelming majority said no to the change in system, as such we now continue to use what we have. The first past the post system leads to majority party power, the leader of the majority party become a prime minister and elects his cabinet and appoints people to the house of Lords.

People will complain about democracy or non-democracy in elections but the British public have chosen our voting system and have to stick with it. .

The current system we have is the least democratic but also the least prone to electing extremist parties....I suggest those people moaning about it, think on

I didn't moan about it at all I was trying to give an unbiased interpretation of the British political system as it stands.

You are correct it is a way to stop extremist views coming into mainstream politics, however it also stops parties, such as the Green Party, from gaining more electoral influence when they are not extremists..

I agree that were not however you'll find an awful lot of people that think we are "

As with most political parties I don't always agree with their policies I wouldn't vote for them but extremists no

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