FabSwingers.com forum: Vote Leave campaign disrupt Jo Cox memorial

By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

So, it seems that the Vote Leave campaign decided it would be an appropriate mark of respect for murdered MP Jo Cox to fly three planes over her memorial in Trafalgar Square today flying Leave banners, and drowning out the speakers.

There really are no words for these people.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Did they? I've not watched/read the news today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've just checked both sky and bbc news and nothing about it on either.... strange...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just checked both sky and bbc news and nothing about it on either.... strange..."

Maybe because it is a non story?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just checked both sky and bbc news and nothing about it on either.... strange...

Maybe because it is a non story?

I've also been listerning to LBC since 1600 and not a word on there either... even more strange

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

I've just seen it, the deputy executive director of Unicef said they flew over when Jo's husband was speaking.

What crass timing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just checked both sky and bbc news and nothing about it on either.... strange...

Maybe because it is a non story?

Are you saying it might not be true?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Huffington post are running it.

They have been buzzing the capital all day so in all likelihood it happened

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

In their defence (and I can't believe I am saying this) the flyover was booked before the memorial, and the flights were delayed by bad weather. Having said that, they weren't supposed to be over Trafalger Square at that time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Huffington post are running it.

They have been buzzing the capital all day so in all likelihood it happened "

Just read it... not good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just checked both sky and bbc news and nothing about it on either.... strange...

Maybe because it is a non story?

Are you saying it might not be true?"

I've no doubt campaign planes were flying over London today, that they had been planned for weeks, that they were cleared by the CAA given the very strict airspace rules over London. Do I believe for one second they were flown over a memorial service with malicious intent? No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A Vote Leave spokesman denied the plane was authorised by the campaign and suggested the culprit may have been unaware the event was taking place.

He said: "This wasn't our plane so we had no idea it would fly over the memorial service.

"Had we known that these people were planning to do it we would have asked them not to. We can only apologise on their behalf for any offence caused.

"We do not think they realised that the service was taking place."

Tbh i cant see it being a deliberate stunt possibly the pilot saw a crowd and thought it would be a good place to pass

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I've just checked both sky and bbc news and nothing about it on either.... strange...

Maybe because it is a non story?

Yes, disrespecting the memory of a woman murdered while devoting her life to public service seemingly is a non-issue to a certain section of society.

How very sad.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"I've no doubt campaign planes were flying over London today, that they had been planned for weeks, that they were cleared by the CAA given the very strict airspace rules over London. Do I believe for one second they were flown over a memorial service with malicious intent? No."

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

""A Vote Leave spokesman denied the plane was authorised by the campaign and suggested the culprit may have been unaware the event was taking place.

He said: "This wasn't our plane so we had no idea it would fly over the memorial service.

"Had we known that these people were planning to do it we would have asked them not to. We can only apologise on their behalf for any offence caused.

"We do not think they realised that the service was taking place."

Tbh i cant see it being a deliberate stunt possibly the pilot saw a crowd and thought it would be a good place to pass"

That they could be ignorant of the memorial would say enough.

However, given that the Leave campaign has been characterised by offending the sensibilities of anyone with a decent bone in their body, it seems a little to much of a coincidence to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just checked both sky and bbc news and nothing about it on either.... strange...

Maybe because it is a non story?

Yes, disrespecting the memory of a woman murdered while devoting her life to public service seemingly is a non-issue to a certain section of society.

How very sad."

So what you are implying is that in an attempt to win votes, the leave campaign masterminds thought you know what, why don't we disrupt a memorial service, that's bound to win us a few extra votes? Really? Had it been an advert for Tesco or donkey rides on the South Bank no one would have mentioned it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""A Vote Leave spokesman denied the plane was authorised by the campaign and suggested the culprit may have been unaware the event was taking place.

He said: "This wasn't our plane so we had no idea it would fly over the memorial service.

"Had we known that these people were planning to do it we would have asked them not to. We can only apologise on their behalf for any offence caused.

"We do not think they realised that the service was taking place."

Tbh i cant see it being a deliberate stunt possibly the pilot saw a crowd and thought it would be a good place to pass

That they could be ignorant of the memorial would say enough.

However, given that the Leave campaign has been characterised by offending the sensibilities of anyone with a decent bone in their body, it seems a little to much of a coincidence to me."

Its not part of the leave campaign...

And why would it say enough?

I'd be very Surpised if the vast majority of the population of pondon let alone the whole country were not ignorant to the memorial.

I certainly didn't know it was being held.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

Is it just me or are 'remain' people hell bent on tarnishing 'leavers', rather than saying why they think it's so good to stay?

Seems to be happening a lot

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

not sure they would be so crass to do so deliberately, Tory councillor Dominick Peacock however is a different matter..

vile to make and good to see his fellow local Tories may vote him out..

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I've just checked both sky and bbc news and nothing about it on either.... strange...

Maybe because it is a non story?

Yes, disrespecting the memory of a woman murdered while devoting her life to public service seemingly is a non-issue to a certain section of society.

How very sad.

Why would I be suggesting it's an attempt to win votes?

I'm suggesting it's exactly what it was - a disgusting and astonishing act of disrespect by supporters of the Leave campaign, designed to disrupt the memorial of a murdered woman who campaigned for the rights of Syrian refugees and for the Remain campaign, two things Leave campaigners are notoriously ugly about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course it could be the remain camp jumping on it because it was in the area.

Now that would be some very cheap tricks.

Won't influence my vote anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will be glad when all this is over and we can just move on

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I certainly didn't know it was being held."

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"I'm suggesting it's exactly what it was - a disgusting and astonishing act of disrespect by supporters of the Leave campaign, designed to disrupt the memorial of a murdered woman who campaigned for the rights of Syrian refugees and for the Remain campaign, two things Leave campaigners are notoriously ugly about."

Are you a Daily Mail reporter?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just checked both sky and bbc news and nothing about it on either.... strange...

Maybe because it is a non story?

Yes, disrespecting the memory of a woman murdered while devoting her life to public service seemingly is a non-issue to a certain section of society.

How very sad.

Why would I be suggesting it's an attempt to win votes?

Wait they designed this act before the memorial was even planned?

Wtf have Syrian refugees got to do with leave or remain

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Of course it could be the remain camp jumping on it because it was in the area.

Now that would be some very cheap tricks.

Won't influence my vote anyway. "

Why would it be the Remain campaign? People of all political persuasions were at the memorial.

Of course, three planes with LEAVE banners just happened to be the ones that buzzed the memorial.

It says it all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""A Vote Leave spokesman denied the plane was authorised by the campaign and suggested the culprit may have been unaware the event was taking place.

He said: "This wasn't our plane so we had no idea it would fly over the memorial service.

"Had we known that these people were planning to do it we would have asked them not to. We can only apologise on their behalf for any offence caused.

"We do not think they realised that the service was taking place."

Tbh i cant see it being a deliberate stunt possibly the pilot saw a crowd and thought it would be a good place to pass

That they could be ignorant of the memorial would say enough.

However, given that the Leave campaign has been characterised by offending the sensibilities of anyone with a decent bone in their body, it seems a little to much of a coincidence to me.

Its not part of the leave campaign...

And why would it say enough?

I'd be very Surpised if the vast majority of the population of pondon let alone the whole country were not ignorant to the memorial.

I certainly didn't know it was being held.

Neither did I.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with.

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Wtf have Syrian refugees got to do with leave or remain"

Is that a serious question?

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

I didn't see the plane and I didn't know about the memorial service today, I thought they paid their respects on Monday.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

I knew it was being held, they mentioned it on the news last night.

They got a great turnout. It was a fitting tribute, I'm sure it won't be the last.

The photos are very emotive.

Lots of people on Twitter posting their disbelief over the planes.

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with."

And you know that they hadn't heard of her how?

She was murdered by a right wing terrorist, the Leave campaign disrupted her memorial, and it is the 'opponents' using her as a political stick?

Amazing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I will be glad when all this is over and we can just move on"

I think it will drag on for months though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Official Leave Campaign wasn't involved although I'm sure that's not good enough for somebody.

Turns out it was a plane company doing a bit of canvassing themselves. They have issued an apology.

And that's it in a nutshell.

I am sick of it all I couldn't even drive home today without some mad tractor driver flying Leave banners from the back of his trailer at 5mph. Yeah that's gonna change my vote! Slow me down to a crawl and cover my car in straw!

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with."

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Official Leave Campaign wasn't involved although I'm sure that's not good enough for somebody.

Turns out it was a plane company doing a bit of canvassing themselves. They have issued an apology. "

Damn right it's not good enough.

Really easy to 'apologise' after the event. Not so easy to show respect for a murdered mother beforehand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Official Leave Campaign wasn't involved although I'm sure that's not good enough for somebody.

Turns out it was a plane company doing a bit of canvassing themselves. They have issued an apology.

And that's it in a nutshell.

Well said

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with."

Many people and their deeds have gone unnoticed until after they've died.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Official Leave Campaign wasn't involved although I'm sure that's not good enough for somebody.

Turns out it was a plane company doing a bit of canvassing themselves. They have issued an apology.

Damn right it's not good enough.

Really easy to 'apologise' after the event. Not so easy to show respect for a murdered mother beforehand."

Why is the official leave campaign not being involved not good enough for you?

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

How do you jump on a bandwagon anyways? Do you grab hold as it passes by or do you get time to get on and sit comfortably

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How do you jump on a bandwagon anyways? Do you grab hold as it passes by or do you get time to get on and sit comfortably"

Maybe ask the OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just checked both sky and bbc news and nothing about it on either.... strange...

Maybe because it is a non story?

Yes, disrespecting the memory of a woman murdered while devoting her life to public service seemingly is a non-issue to a certain section of society.

How very sad.

Why would I be suggesting it's an attempt to win votes?

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Official Leave Campaign wasn't involved although I'm sure that's not good enough for somebody.

Turns out it was a plane company doing a bit of canvassing themselves. They have issued an apology.

Damn right it's not good enough.

Really easy to 'apologise' after the event. Not so easy to show respect for a murdered mother beforehand.

Why is the official leave campaign not being involved not good enough for you? "

They have lied to the public throughout their campaign, why should they be believed now?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually, this thread is in bad taste, trying to make political point scoring over the memorial to Jo Cox. The Op should feel ashamed

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Actually, this thread is in bad taste, trying to make political point scoring over the memorial to Jo Cox. The Op should feel ashamed"

Right.

I should feel ashamed for starting the thread, because that is apparently political point scoring to observe what happened, but the Leave campaign shouldn't feel ashamed for disrupting her memorial, which they actually did.

Right.

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By *irkby coupleCouple
over a year ago

Kirkby

Was the pilot apart of the leave team or was he given a route to fly?

If the pilot was told to fly around London with a banner, it's not really the leave teams fault is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The sad irony of this is that from what I've read about Jo Cox, a woman of principle and straight talking who couldn't abide the politics of hate, is that she would have seen this for the coincidence it was, would have accepted the apology of the firm involved recognising it had nothing to do with opposition campaigners, and would have been horrified to see her name used in such a cheap and insensitive manner. As someone said earlier, this thread is in bad taste and should be removed. I won't contribute further.

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"The sad irony of this is that from what I've read about Jo Cox, a woman of principle and straight talking who couldn't abide the politics of hate, is that she would have seen this for the coincidence it was, would have accepted the apology of the firm involved recognising it had nothing to do with opposition campaigners, and would have been horrified to see her name used in such a cheap and insensitive manner. As someone said earlier, this thread is in bad taste and should be removed. I won't contribute further."

You seem to know a lot about a woman you never met.

The Leave campaign disrupted her memorial. That is a matter of fact. Excusing their actions is what is in bad taste. Simply put, it is a disgrace.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it just me or are 'remain' people hell bent on tarnishing 'leavers', rather than saying why they think it's so good to stay?

Seems to be happening a lot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with.

And you know that they hadn't heard of her how?

She was murdered by a right wing terrorist, the Leave campaign disrupted her memorial, and it is the 'opponents' using her as a political stick?

Amazing."

How long have you been following her career then?

And no the leave campaign did no such thing.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

A non story pathetic in fact,do I offend so what

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You seem to know a lot about a woman you never met.

The Leave campaign disrupted her memorial. That is a matter of fact. Excusing their actions is what is in bad taste. Simply put, it is a disgrace."

No its not that is a 100% lie the leave campaign have stated they were not thier planes.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

First, you can't just fly a plane over a populated area like the city of London without getting prior approval weeks in advance.

The official Leave campaign have stated that this was not an official Leave campaign event - it was privately funded and organised.

Whoever organised it, could not have known at the time they planned it that Jo Cox would be murdered, and that her memorial would coincide with their planned event, or that the location of her memorial would be in their approved flight path

The flight was delayed due to weather and air traffic considerations.

There were no NOTAMS (Notice to Airmen or some such - bulletins issued daily which all pilots check before flying) detailing areas to avoid.

So it was all a horrible coincidence, for which the organisers have apologised.

But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good reason to beat up on people whose opinion you don't agree with.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Belfast

"So, it seems that the Vote Leave campaign decided it would be an appropriate mark of respect for murdered MP Jo Cox to fly three planes over her memorial in Trafalgar Square today flying Leave banners, and drowning out the speakers.

There really are no words for these people."
I don't think you have anything to worry about . How could aircraft flying in the sky be considered to be a disruption . ?. Only helicopters could hoover and cause unnecessary noise.

As no one would disrupt a memorial service your fears are totally unfounded .

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Belfast

"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with.

And you know that they hadn't heard of her how?

She was murdered by a right wing terrorist, the Leave campaign disrupted her memorial, and it is the 'opponents' using her as a political stick?

Amazing."
How do you know that the chap was a right wing terrorist.? I do not see any group claiming responsibility for his actions ?. He was mentally ill and had recently sought help for his mental illness .

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with."

There are many amazing people we never hear of until something awful happens and we are presented with what they have done. It doesn't make them less amazing, just unknown to us before. Or do you know of everyone doing wonderful things in the world and celebrate them daily?

Listening to Brendan Cox's interview yesterday and speech today was a good reminder to look out for the quiet good being done by many, many people every minute of every day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with.

Listening to Brendan Cox's interview yesterday and speech today was a good reminder to look out for the quiet good being done by many, many people every minute of every day.

Kinda missed the point there but

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with.

And you know that they hadn't heard of her how?

She was murdered by a right wing terrorist, the Leave campaign disrupted her memorial, and it is the 'opponents' using her as a political stick?

Amazing. How do you know that the chap was a right wing terrorist.? I do not see any group claiming responsibility for his actions ?. He was mentally ill and had recently sought help for his mental illness . "

Consistent at least.

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with.

And you know that they hadn't heard of her how?

She was murdered by a right wing terrorist, the Leave campaign disrupted her memorial, and it is the 'opponents' using her as a political stick?

Ah yes, Pat. I read all of the excuses you were making for Jo Cox's murderer over the weekend.

Here's a clue for you: 'Mentally ill' does not mean 'deranged and unable to control oneself'. He was depressed, not psychotic.

The guy is a terrorist. He murdered a young mother because of his political beliefs. If making excuses for a man like that feels okay because he votes the same way as you, then good luck to you.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Belfast

"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with.

And you know that they hadn't heard of her how?

She was murdered by a right wing terrorist, the Leave campaign disrupted her memorial, and it is the 'opponents' using her as a political stick?

Ah yes, Pat. I read all of the excuses you were making for Jo Cox's murderer over the weekend.

Here's a clue for you: 'Mentally ill' does not mean 'deranged and unable to control oneself'. He was depressed, not psychotic.

The guy is a terrorist. He murdered a young mother because of his political beliefs. If making excuses for a man like that feels okay because he votes the same way as you, then good luck to you. "
Maybe if you either worked with or had experience of dealing with the mentally ill, you might hsve a deeper understanding of the issues that they face .

I do not consider a lone wolf to be a terrorist . To date no political organisation has claimed responsibility for his actions .

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Pat look at the legal definition of what constitutes an act of terrorism. its there if you want to find it..

you have consistently ignored what he said and the associations he had..

take your head out of the sand..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with.

And you know that they hadn't heard of her how?

She was murdered by a right wing terrorist, the Leave campaign disrupted her memorial, and it is the 'opponents' using her as a political stick?

Ah yes, Pat. I read all of the excuses you were making for Jo Cox's murderer over the weekend.

Here's a clue for you: 'Mentally ill' does not mean 'deranged and unable to control oneself'. He was depressed, not psychotic.

The guy is a terrorist. He murdered a young mother because of his political beliefs. If making excuses for a man like that feels okay because he votes the same way as you, then good luck to you. Maybe if you either worked with or had experience of dealing with the mentally ill, you might hsve a deeper understanding of the issues that they face .

I do not consider a lone wolf to be a terrorist . To date no political organisation has claimed responsibility for his actions . "

Pat, you keep asserting that basically none of us understand mental ill health. You are wrong. Just because we don't post that we have worked in mental health services or have experience doesn't mean we don't.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"First, you can't just fly a plane over a populated area like the city of London without getting prior approval weeks in advance.

The official Leave campaign have stated that this was not an official Leave campaign event - it was privately funded and organised.

The flight was delayed due to weather and air traffic considerations.

There were no NOTAMS (Notice to Airmen or some such - bulletins issued daily which all pilots check before flying) detailing areas to avoid.

So it was all a horrible coincidence, for which the organisers have apologised.

But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good reason to beat up on people whose opinion you don't agree with."

A sensible post, but like you say why let facts get in the way of a good rant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Pat look at the legal definition of what constitutes an act of terrorism. its there if you want to find it..

you have consistently ignored what he said and the associations he had..

take your head out of the sand.. "

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Belfast

"Pat look at the legal definition of what constitutes an act of terrorism. its there if you want to find it..

you have consistently ignored what he said and the associations he had..

take your head out of the sand.. "
Or maybe I am more understanding of the various issues that the mentally ill face . I do not believe in penalising those who suffer from mental illnesses and will always take into account their illnesses in cases such as this .

I am fully aware of what he said .

I consider a terrorist to a member of a terror group and acting on the instructions of the terrorist group concerned .

To date , no organisation has stated that they instructed him to carry out this act .

Consequentially I consider him to be a mentally ill lone wolf .

The legal definition may be different but you did not define it in your post .

I personally am against all firms of violence and would like to think that I am able to show tolerance and consideration towards the mentally ill.

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

What utter cobblers! It has been pointed out before that in the busy skies over central London, there are very strict rules regarding who can fly and when, and they are rigorously enforced by the Civil Aviation Authority. This would have been planned in advance of the event in memory of the murdered MP, such is the nature of air law. No way would they have been able to cobble together such a fly over with the intent of interrupting this event at such short notice. Further, the fly over was organised by an aircraft manufacturer, and not the leave campaign.

Looking at the "outrage" being expressed by some, it is yet another example of the "I'm outraged" or "I'm offended" type of behaviour that has become typical of people who try and undermine legitimate viewpoints expressed by those who have alternative views.

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with.

And you know that they hadn't heard of her how?

She was murdered by a right wing terrorist, the Leave campaign disrupted her memorial, and it is the 'opponents' using her as a political stick?

Ah yes, Pat. I read all of the excuses you were making for Jo Cox's murderer over the weekend.

Here's a clue for you: 'Mentally ill' does not mean 'deranged and unable to control oneself'. He was depressed, not psychotic.

The guy is a terrorist. He murdered a young mother because of his political beliefs. If making excuses for a man like that feels okay because he votes the same way as you, then good luck to you. Maybe if you either worked with or had experience of dealing with the mentally ill, you might hsve a deeper understanding of the issues that they face .

I do not consider a lone wolf to be a terrorist . To date no political organisation has claimed responsibility for his actions . "

I have never heard of anyone who had either worked with or had any experience of dealing with the mentally ill automatically assume that a mentally ill person is psychotic, no.

Most people with that experience understand it to be a very broad spectrum covering myriad symptoms. You just seem to think that being having a mental illness means you will hack a woman to death.

And what you consider Mair to be is an irrelevance. He's a terrorist. The only people who claim he isn't are trying to excuse his actions. Funnily enough, they are exactly the same people who think his mental illness means he had no self control.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Pat look at the legal definition of what constitutes an act of terrorism. its there if you want to find it..

you have consistently ignored what he said and the associations he had..

take your head out of the sand.. Or maybe I am more understanding of the various issues that the mentally ill face . I do not believe in penalising those who suffer from mental illnesses and will always take into account their illnesses in cases such as this .

I am fully aware of what he said .

I consider a terrorist to a member of a terror group and acting on the instructions of the terrorist group concerned .

To date , no organisation has stated that they instructed him to carry out this act .

Consequentially I consider him to be a mentally ill lone wolf .

The legal definition may be different but you did not define it in your post .

I personally am against all firms of violence and would like to think that I am able to show tolerance and consideration towards the mentally ill. "

Tolerance and consideration is not the same as excusing the act. So far, this the first post I have seen from you that even acknowledges he said anything. You clearly have a fixed view on this act, just as you have about other issues where you choose to post. I believe you are wrong but I accept that you are intractable so I will do my best to ignore your posts on this matter, however insensitive they are.

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

Lots of people on Twitter posting their disbelief over the planes. "

About time they got some perspective and got a life.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Belfast

"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with.

And you know that they hadn't heard of her how?

She was murdered by a right wing terrorist, the Leave campaign disrupted her memorial, and it is the 'opponents' using her as a political stick?

Ah yes, Pat. I read all of the excuses you were making for Jo Cox's murderer over the weekend.

Here's a clue for you: 'Mentally ill' does not mean 'deranged and unable to control oneself'. He was depressed, not psychotic.

The guy is a terrorist. He murdered a young mother because of his political beliefs. If making excuses for a man like that feels okay because he votes the same way as you, then good luck to you. Maybe if you either worked with or had experience of dealing with the mentally ill, you might hsve a deeper understanding of the issues that they face .

I do not consider a lone wolf to be a terrorist . To date no political organisation has claimed responsibility for his actions .

Please can you try and understand how offensive it gets to see the same posts 'defending' Mair under a claim of mental ill health? How sad it is to see that you cannot see a thread about Jo Cox without making the assertion and 'defense' for Mair?"
I am not making a defence of anyone . The reality of this situation is that two lives are now ruined , that of the deceased and that of the person charged with comnitting the offence ( not withstanding the fact that everyone is innocent unto proved guilty ). If someone finds it offensive that an individuals mental state is a condition which should be taken into consideration , there is little that I can do about that .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately there's a lot of emotion. People getting swept away with emotion and can see a perceived insult at every turn. i would give them the benefit of doubt that anything was deliberate. remember the voting day is tomorrow and campaigners are out in force on both sides so accidental incidents could occur. I doubt the pilot would be so callous and as said, an apology was issued. I also refuse to say any more on this thread.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Pat look at the legal definition of what constitutes an act of terrorism. its there if you want to find it..

you have consistently ignored what he said and the associations he had..

I am fully aware of what he said .

I consider a terrorist to a member of a terror group and acting on the instructions of the terrorist group concerned .

To date , no organisation has stated that they instructed him to carry out this act .

Consequentially I consider him to be a mentally ill lone wolf .

The legal definition may be different but you did not define it in your post .

I personally am against all firms of violence and would like to think that I am able to show tolerance and consideration towards the mentally ill. "

a lone wolf can be a terrorist..

the definition is 'the unauthorised or unofficial use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims' ..

please do not try and patronise by attempting to take the moral high ground with your 'understanding of the various issues', you have no idea

what my own experience's with mental health have been..

where has anyone spoken about penalising?

if he is found to be ill then he will receive the treatment accordingly and if not he will be an inmate..

do you always make such considerations when you admit you dont know what the actual meaning is?

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Lots of people on Twitter posting their disbelief over the planes.

About time they got some perspective and got a life."

Yes, how terrible they think the political campaign that deliperately fostered the atmosphere of intolerance that lead to a woman's murder should show some respect for her during her memorial.

How could anyone be offended by that.

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

Lots of people on Twitter posting their disbelief over the planes.

About time they got some perspective and got a life.

Yes, how terrible they think the political campaign that deliperately fostered the atmosphere of intolerance that lead to a woman's murder should show some respect for her during her memorial.

How could anyone be offended by that.

Oh, you are becoming very entertaining. So the blame for the MP's murder is now laid at the door of the leave campaign? Your rants are becoming more and more lurid and ludicrous as the night goes on

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Lots of people on Twitter posting their disbelief over the planes.

About time they got some perspective and got a life.

Yes, how terrible they think the political campaign that deliperately fostered the atmosphere of intolerance that lead to a woman's murder should show some respect for her during her memorial.

How could anyone be offended by that.

Oh, you are becoming very entertaining. So the blame for the MP's murder is now laid at the door of the leave campaign? Your rants are becoming more and more lurid and ludicrous as the night goes on

Is that what I said? You should give your screen a wipe!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I've just checked both sky and bbc news and nothing about it on either.... strange...

Maybe because it is a non story?

Yes, disrespecting the memory of a woman murdered while devoting her life to public service seemingly is a non-issue to a certain section of society.

How very sad.

Why would I be suggesting it's an attempt to win votes?

I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. BREXIT want, more than anything else, to win tomorrow. Even the biggest idiot in the BREXIT camp would know that to deliberately to such a thing would be extremely counterproductive to that aim. It sounded like a good BREXIT bashing stick but I simply can't believe it as true.

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

"Is that what I said? You should give your screen a wipe!

"Yes, how terrible they think the political campaign that deliperately fostered the atmosphere of intolerance that lead to a woman's murder should show some respect for her during her memorial."

That's what you said. Perhaps your memory needs a wipe.

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Is that what I said? You should give your screen a wipe!

"Yes, how terrible they think the political campaign that deliperately fostered the atmosphere of intolerance that lead to a woman's murder should show some respect for her during her memorial."

That's what you said. Perhaps your memory needs a wipe."

Okay, if you can't understand words we'd best leave it there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just checked both sky and bbc news and nothing about it on either.... strange...

Maybe because it is a non story?

I've also been listerning to LBC since 1600 and not a word on there either... even more strange"

since 1600...you old bugger!

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

Okay, if you can't understand words we'd best leave it there."

Ah, coming back with an insult when you have been caught out making claims that you can't possibly substantiate. How original.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lots of people on Twitter posting their disbelief over the planes.

About time they got some perspective and got a life.

Yes, how terrible they think the political campaign that deliperately fostered the atmosphere of intolerance that lead to a woman's murder should show some respect for her during her memorial.

How could anyone be offended by that.

Oh, you are becoming very entertaining. So the blame for the MP's murder is now laid at the door of the leave campaign? Your rants are becoming more and more lurid and ludicrous as the night goes on

Is that what I said? You should give your screen a wipe!

Yes it is what you said.

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

Lots of people on Twitter posting their disbelief over the planes.

About time they got some perspective and got a life.

Yes, how terrible they think the political campaign that deliperately fostered the atmosphere of intolerance that lead to a woman's murder should show some respect for her during her memorial.

How could anyone be offended by that.

Oh, you are becoming very entertaining. So the blame for the MP's murder is now laid at the door of the leave campaign? Your rants are becoming more and more lurid and ludicrous as the night goes on

Is that what I said? You should give your screen a wipe!

Yes it is what you said."

It is indeed, but we would appear to be incapable of reading for seeing that

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

There really are no words for these people."

I was In London yesterday, the planes were flying all over all day and the noise was not sufficient to drown out a conversation. I think a lot is being made of very little here.

I am not trying to justify Vote Leave, I am a remain voter but i hate seeing the lies and overreacting from both sides.

Both campaigns have been an insult to the people of this country and a travesty of democracy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just checked both sky and bbc news and nothing about it on either.... strange...

Maybe because it is a non story?

Yes, disrespecting the memory of a woman murdered while devoting her life to public service seemingly is a non-issue to a certain section of society.

How very sad.

Why would I be suggesting it's an attempt to win votes?

You could argue that putting a memorial on the day of the referendum was dirty tactics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with.

And you know that they hadn't heard of her how?

She was murdered by a right wing terrorist, the Leave campaign disrupted her memorial, and it is the 'opponents' using her as a political stick?

Amazing."

Your using her death as a political stick. No one from either side would condone her death

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Lots of people on Twitter posting their disbelief over the planes.

About time they got some perspective and got a life.

Yes, how terrible they think the political campaign that deliperately fostered the atmosphere of intolerance that lead to a woman's murder should show some respect for her during her memorial.

How could anyone be offended by that.

Oh, you are becoming very entertaining. So the blame for the MP's murder is now laid at the door of the leave campaign? Your rants are becoming more and more lurid and ludicrous as the night goes on

Is that what I said? You should give your screen a wipe!

Yes it is what you said.

It is indeed, but we would appear to be incapable of reading for seeing that

I said Leave were to blame for deliberately fostering the atmosphere of intolerance that lead to her murder. You think that means I am saying the Leave campaign is to blame for her murder.

There is a subtle but clear difference, which seems to elude you.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I've just checked both sky and bbc news and nothing about it on either.... strange...

Maybe because it is a non story?

Yes, disrespecting the memory of a woman murdered while devoting her life to public service seemingly is a non-issue to a certain section of society.

How very sad.

Why would I be suggesting it's an attempt to win votes?

You could argue that putting a memorial on the day of the referendum was dirty tactics."

The memorial was yesterday. It is also her birthday. These things cannot be planned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now that's pure rubbish.

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I've just checked both sky and bbc news and nothing about it on either.... strange...

Maybe because it is a non story?

Yes, disrespecting the memory of a woman murdered while devoting her life to public service seemingly is a non-issue to a certain section of society.

How very sad.

Why would I be suggesting it's an attempt to win votes?

You could argue that putting a memorial on the day of the referendum was dirty tactics."

Maybe, although I would posit that someone who thought that would also claim that she went and got herself murered as a dirty tactic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was sad what happened to Jo Cox,but the world still keeps on turning and stops for no one,who ever you are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just checked both sky and bbc news and nothing about it on either.... strange...

Maybe because it is a non story?

Yes, disrespecting the memory of a woman murdered while devoting her life to public service seemingly is a non-issue to a certain section of society.

How very sad.

Why would I be suggesting it's an attempt to win votes?

You could argue that putting a memorial on the day of the referendum was dirty tactics.

Maybe, although I would posit that someone who thought that would also claim that she went and got herself murered as a dirty tactic.

I'd respond with something more interesting than this. But I have no idea what you just said

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

"I said Leave were to blame for deliberately fostering the atmosphere of intolerance that lead to her murder. You think that means I am saying the Leave campaign is to blame for her murder.

There is a subtle but clear difference, which seems to elude you. "

Now the rowing for shore starts. You know what you said, but you are now starting the spin to try and say you said something else.

But then you are having grave difficulties in accepting that the flyover had nothing whatsoever to do with the Leave campaign.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

i think this thread should be closed, its only going to get nasty..

people have made their view's known..

out of respect for Jo Cox can we have it closed pls?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think this thread should be closed, its only going to get nasty..

people have made their view's known..

out of respect for Jo Cox can we have it closed pls?"

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"It was sad what happened to Jo Cox,but the world still keeps on turning and stops for no one,who ever you are."

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I said Leave were to blame for deliberately fostering the atmosphere of intolerance that lead to her murder. You think that means I am saying the Leave campaign is to blame for her murder.

There is a subtle but clear difference, which seems to elude you.

Now the rowing for shore starts. You know what you said, but you are now starting the spin to try and say you said something else.

But then you are having grave difficulties in accepting that the flyover had nothing whatsoever to do with the Leave campaign."

Like I said, if you can't understand words, we'd best leave it there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I should say though that you're clearly implying that those who want to leave empathise and condone her murder. Just because there are "representatives" trying to argue the case for leaving, doesn't mean that we have to agree with how they do it. There are liars from both camps, you choose not to see it. You have been told it wasn't the brexit campaign but you choose to ignore it. I don't condone a lot of America's interference in other countries, but I don't condone 911 either. Sometimes you should open your mind and not just your mouth

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

"I said Leave were to blame for deliberately fostering the atmosphere of intolerance that lead to her murder. You think that means I am saying the Leave campaign is to blame for her murder.

There is a subtle but clear difference, which seems to elude you.

Now the rowing for shore starts. You know what you said, but you are now starting the spin to try and say you said something else.

But then you are having grave difficulties in accepting that the flyover had nothing whatsoever to do with the Leave campaign.

Like I said, if you can't understand words, we'd best leave it there."

I can understand words very well thank you. You, on the other hand, have shown you do not. So, let's leave it at that. You have also shown a problem with accepting the facts.

Bit of a theme developing there.....

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over a year ago

"I said Leave were to blame for deliberately fostering the atmosphere of intolerance that lead to her murder. You think that means I am saying the Leave campaign is to blame for her murder.

There is a subtle but clear difference, which seems to elude you.

Now the rowing for shore starts. You know what you said, but you are now starting the spin to try and say you said something else.

But then you are having grave difficulties in accepting that the flyover had nothing whatsoever to do with the Leave campaign.

Like I said, if you can't understand words, we'd best leave it there.

I can understand words very well thank you. You, on the other hand, have shown you do not. So, let's leave it at that. You have also shown a problem with accepting the facts.

Bit of a theme developing there....."

Haha which both sides have been guilty of in this referendum

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By *ilkchocolate87Man
over a year ago

sw london

There really are no words for these people."

Peasants

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

Haha which both sides have been guilty of in this referendum"

Indeed, something you cannot deny

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By *ierced 2Couple
over a year ago

Village near Great Yarmouth

But of course, the Remain campaign think it's ok to use her tragic death as a political football.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

There really are no words for these people.

Peasants "

I don't see why not being a landowner means you are worse than anyone else?

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"i think this thread should be closed, its only going to get nasty..

people have made their view's known..

out of respect for Jo Cox can we have it closed pls?"

No, you do t just close down speech you don't like. That is fundamentalism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It really is not worth considering.

It would not benefit either side to disrupt the poor lady's remembrance nor would it be possible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think this thread should be closed, its only going to get nasty..

people have made their view's known..

out of respect for Jo Cox can we have it closed pls?

No, you do t just close down speech you don't like. That is fundamentalism."

I agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

+1"

+2 no way this would have been maliciously planned.

At most, some sicker minds might have considered it a bonus, but theres almost no chance it would be POSSIBLE to time it this way intentionally given the strict rules they have to operate under and the advance planning required

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"i think this thread should be closed, its only going to get nasty..

people have made their view's known..

out of respect for Jo Cox can we have it closed pls?

No, you do t just close down speech you don't like. That is fundamentalism."

its more about certain posters using the thread to have a go at each other, whilst that may be free speech its hardly respecting of the lady..

most threads digress and develop this one has just gotten banal and nasty..

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied

"i think this thread should be closed, its only going to get nasty..

people have made their view's known..

out of respect for Jo Cox can we have it closed pls?

No, you do t just close down speech you don't like. That is fundamentalism.

its more about certain posters using the thread to have a go at each other, whilst that may be free speech its hardly respecting of the lady..

most threads digress and develop this one has just gotten banal and nasty.."

Right so it's ok for the leave campaign to be disrespectful.just not ok to let the country know how disrespectful they are ..mmmm that's democratic isn't it but then again we have come to expect no better from Boris and his buddy farage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do wish people would stop thinking those who wish to leave the EU are the same as those from the Leave campaign. People have their own minds and can research the pros and cons of leaving without assuming we all have the same mindset and attitude that some of the campaigners have shown

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By *mnipotent_BehemothMan
over a year ago

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"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with.

Almost the next princess di for the political class would you say? I couldn't see all this fuss going on if it was someone else just doing there job with a lot more risk for a lot less money, a day in the news when it happens a day when the perpetrator is convicted and that's would be it.

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By *ezjez369Man
over a year ago

london

And how many other funerals or wakes did these planes fly over?

All deliberately? ?

Sensationalist whining at best.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"i think this thread should be closed, its only going to get nasty..

people have made their view's known..

out of respect for Jo Cox can we have it closed pls?

No, you do t just close down speech you don't like. That is fundamentalism.

its more about certain posters using the thread to have a go at each other, whilst that may be free speech its hardly respecting of the lady..

most threads digress and develop this one has just gotten banal and nasty.."

She is dead, none of this has the slightest effect on her.

Sad, but true.

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over a year ago

"i think this thread should be closed, its only going to get nasty..

people have made their view's known..

out of respect for Jo Cox can we have it closed pls?

No, you do t just close down speech you don't like. That is fundamentalism.

its more about certain posters using the thread to have a go at each other, whilst that may be free speech its hardly respecting of the lady..

most threads digress and develop this one has just gotten banal and nasty..

From all the debates I've watched on TV. It's the remain delegates that have been disrespectful to the leave delegates. Abusive and name calling and with anger. I think the leavers remained calm under that barrage. ( I'm voting remain by the Way, before the accusations start.)

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"i think this thread should be closed, its only going to get nasty..

people have made their view's known..

out of respect for Jo Cox can we have it closed pls?

No, you do t just close down speech you don't like. That is fundamentalism.

its more about certain posters using the thread to have a go at each other, whilst that may be free speech its hardly respecting of the lady..

most threads digress and develop this one has just gotten banal and nasty..

I would disagree that one side is worse than the other. They have both been utterly revolting in almost equal measure.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with.

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

"And how many other funerals or wakes did these planes fly over?

All deliberately? ?

Sensationalist whining at best."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it just me or are 'remain' people hell bent on tarnishing 'leavers', rather than saying why they think it's so good to stay?

Seems to be happening a lot

Remain don't need to tarnish, Leavers are perfectly capable of shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly.

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

That article might be completely insane, but it does provide a moment of comedy amongst the disgusting trash. The last two paragraphs are a masterpiece of whatthefuckery:

'Was Jo silent on the children being abused because of the number of Muslims in her constituency? Or was her cognitive dissonance somehow connected to the political aims of one of her ‘favourite causes’, the White Helmets?

Whatever the reason, we need to prise off the white knuckled grasp of this unelected, EU-funded, do-gooding, unrealistic liberal elite from the helm of the ship of state, before they steer us into a whirlpool from which we will never escape. There’s only one way – we must vote Leave on Thursday.'

Er...right!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite honestly, yes it was very sad and awful what happened to this kind lady but I have voted out and I am proud. I am not changing my mind over a Labour supporter. People should not feel "bad" to vote leave over her death. I do not agree with what she says but no she did not deserve to die. The person who killed her has probably made it a thousand times worse now!

I hope we do leave the E.U Who wants to let in migrants who are a different nationality from us who don't really intergrate with our culture! and who are basically muslim! We are going to be letting all the baddies in if we are not careful! and not just muslims the whole rest of them flooding in!

Even when I watched David Cameron talking about "REMAIN" he didn't mention ONCE about doing something about migration he tried to miss it even when people asked him questions!

Small businesses have had to change how they run their busineses because of the E.U want to rule us and tell us how to run our businesses, regardless if businesses have been running for 30 years!! It doesn't affect people who are "employed" but it does affect people like me who are "self employed"

I think a lot of people don't really understand it all and what it means to be remained as people think it's the best decision since slice bread.

It is what it is, I can't wait till it is over!!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Quite honestly, yes it was very sad and awful what happened to this kind lady but I have voted out and I am proud. I am not changing my mind over a Labour supporter. People should not feel "bad" to vote leave over her death. I do not agree with what she says but no she did not deserve to die. The person who killed her has probably made it a thousand times worse now!

Even when I watched David Cameron talking about "REMAIN" he didn't mention ONCE about doing something about migration he tried to miss it even when people asked him questions!

I think a lot of people don't really understand it all and what it means to be remained as people think it's the best decision since slice bread.

It is what it is, I can't wait till it is over!!

sad you think that way but at least your bigotry is open for people to see..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lol I don't see myself "sad" because of it.

It is causing a lot of businesses to put money into changing their business plans so E.U are happy.

Be glad when it is over I think its stressful for everyone.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Even when I watched David Cameron talking about "REMAIN" he didn't mention ONCE about doing something about migration he tried to miss it even when people asked him questions!

I think a lot of people don't really understand it all and what it means to be remained as people think it's the best decision since slice bread.

It is what it is, I can't wait till it is over!!

sad you think that way but at least your bigotry is open for people to see.."

I'll pay attention when British emigrants do just what she was suggesting.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Lol I don't see myself "sad" because of it.

It is causing a lot of businesses to put money into changing their business plans so E.U are happy.

Be glad when it is over I think its stressful for everyone.

my comment was aimed at the bigotry not commerce..

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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Even when I watched David Cameron talking about "REMAIN" he didn't mention ONCE about doing something about migration he tried to miss it even when people asked him questions!

I think a lot of people don't really understand it all and what it means to be remained as people think it's the best decision since slice bread.

It is what it is, I can't wait till it is over!!

Putting your bigotry to one side, can you explain how the EU are telling you how to run your small business?

I haven't heard one Leaver able to explain that one yet, all they seem to do is moan about 'red tape'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whatever Manchester, vote what you like! I guess everyone should "remain" since we give well.. donate I should say £350m to other EU Countries!!

OUR money going to OTHER Countries disgusting!

Anyway I am not arguing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What i must admit i find a little crass is all the people going on about how amazing she was who had never even heard of her before this.

But now shes sead she is a useful stick with which to beat thier political oponants with.

And you know that they hadn't heard of her how?

She was murdered by a right wing terrorist, the Leave campaign disrupted her memorial, and it is the 'opponents' using her as a political stick?

Amazing."

I find this whole response amazing. Are you related to David Icke ?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

Even when I watched David Cameron talking about "REMAIN" he didn't mention ONCE about doing something about migration he tried to miss it even when people asked him questions!

I think a lot of people don't really understand it all and what it means to be remained as people think it's the best decision since slice bread.

It is what it is, I can't wait till it is over!!

Putting your bigotry to one side, can you explain how the EU are telling you how to run your small business?

I haven't heard one Leaver able to explain that one yet, all they seem to do is moan about 'red tape'."

I think YOU need to buy a dictionary and find out what bigotry means

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Belfast

Even when I watched David Cameron talking about "REMAIN" he didn't mention ONCE about doing something about migration he tried to miss it even when people asked him questions!

I think a lot of people don't really understand it all and what it means to be remained as people think it's the best decision since slice bread.

It is what it is, I can't wait till it is over!!

Putting your bigotry to one side, can you explain how the EU are telling you how to run your small business?

I haven't heard one Leaver able to explain that one yet, all they seem to do is moan about 'red tape'."
Two examples .

a. Periodic training for LGV drivers who are required to do seven hours training per annun.

b. Restricting the sale of light bulbs and those that you can use

c. Reducing the power of vacuum cleaners .

There are lots of others and the lady concerned is to be admired for openly expressing her opinions ..She speaks for a significant number of people.

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

You should look at the hoops you have to jump through to get a full motorcycle licence nowadays as well. All thanks to the second and third driving licence directives from the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even when I watched David Cameron talking about "REMAIN" he didn't mention ONCE about doing something about migration he tried to miss it even when people asked him questions!

I think a lot of people don't really understand it all and what it means to be remained as people think it's the best decision since slice bread.

It is what it is, I can't wait till it is over!!

Thank you Surrey babe!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""A Vote Leave spokesman denied the plane was authorised by the campaign and suggested the culprit may have been unaware the event was taking place.

He said: "This wasn't our plane so we had no idea it would fly over the memorial service.

"Had we known that these people were planning to do it we would have asked them not to. We can only apologise on their behalf for any offence caused.

"We do not think they realised that the service was taking place."

Tbh i cant see it being a deliberate stunt possibly the pilot saw a crowd and thought it would be a good place to pass

That they could be ignorant of the memorial would say enough.

However, given that the Leave campaign has been characterised by offending the sensibilities of anyone with a decent bone in their body, it seems a little to much of a coincidence to me."

Just carry on believing what you make up.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

+1"

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