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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' "I saw that. It was brilliant. Fucking foreigners. Coming here, paying our taxes, contributing to our economy and drinking our beer. Get them out I say. Oh whilst you are at it, please let me cut my nose off because my face is annoying me. | |||
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"Fucking English, fucking welsh, fucking immigrants - not fussy me as long as we fancy each other "Close the borders. Don't let any more in until we have worked our way around them all!! | |||
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"Fucking Welsh   "Sounds like a good plan | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh'
I saw that. It was brilliant.
Fucking foreigners. Coming here, paying our taxes, contributing to our economy and drinking our beer.
Get them out I say. Oh whilst you are at it, please let me cut my nose off because my face is annoying me. "and daring to expand our palate's with their food.. | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh'
I saw that. It was brilliant.
Fucking foreigners. Coming here, paying our taxes, contributing to our economy and drinking our beer.
Get them out I say. Oh whilst you are at it, please let me cut my nose off because my face is annoying me.
and daring to expand our palate's with their food.."Most of them speak better English too. | |||
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"Fucking Welsh fucking sheep"You go for it mate. Don't let the farmer catch you though. | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' ". I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead"Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand. Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. ". No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!. One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one. Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
"I'm surprised you're not posting in Mandarin or Spanish in that case. | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?". Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools. I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one? | |||
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"I am in a train carriage and there is not one immigrant here. (I can tell because no one looks like an immigrant, and everyone is speaking welsh anyway.) How dare they use our roads. Send everyone I don't recognise back home. Or at least to the shops to pick up my messages. " Well that was a let down , thought this thread was about fucking immigrants . Which is good as far as we are concerned , as we are equal opportunities swingers  | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' " | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
I'm surprised you're not posting in Mandarin or Spanish in that case. ". Que? | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?.
Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools.
I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one?"No. Like Gaelic it was repressed and marginalised deliberately for hundreds of years by an imperial influence. Like I said it is easy never having experienced it to tell people that it is irrelevant and does not matter. | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?.
Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools.
I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one?
No. Like Gaelic it was repressed and marginalised deliberately for hundreds of years by an imperial influence.
Like I said it is easy never having experienced it to tell people that it is irrelevant and does not matter. ". That was years ago, why do you hold on to the past so much. I'm actually a duel passport holder, half Irish half British... I'll spank my mother for being such an imperialistic fascist next time I see her | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?.
Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools.
I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one?"Your assumption is that English the default first language and learning Welsh is an additional language. For some, English is the second language and Wales recognises both English and Welsh. | |||
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"does learning one's own language and English prohibit anyone who wants to from learning another, be that in Wales or Scotland etc? " not at all.....but i don't know if the doors meant it the way it reads (benefit of the doubt) but it does have a whiff of "english on the costa del sol" if you catch my drift..... | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?.
Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools.
I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one?
Your assumption is that English the default first language and learning Welsh is an additional language. For some, English is the second language and Wales recognises both English and Welsh.". Of course, English is spoken throughout the world by about 2 billon people, why would you want to spend time and effort learning a language spoke by 500,000 in one country and even then it's mostly only in the north of that country?. Sure you could learn three languages or four or five but there's a time and effort to it all, welsh was naturally dying out because most welsh people just wanted to learn one language and not two? | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead"No, learning Welsh is great for all that international travel and business dealings  | |||
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"Part of the reason it often seems like the British don't get as much use of the benefits of the EU is because of our lazy attitude to language. Very little emphasis is put on foreign language skills and a lot of British folks can barely speak English. " Don't be daft! We don't need to learn anything. It's up to them to learn our language, wherever we are in the world. Shh, I'm an immigrant (but with the advantage that English is my first language so I get to be superior too). | |||
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"does learning one's own language and English prohibit anyone who wants to from learning another, be that in Wales or Scotland etc? not at all.....but i don't know if the doors meant it the way it reads (benefit of the doubt) but it does have a whiff of "english on the costa del sol" if you catch my drift..... " .. We all know I dunno fly | |||
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"I'm a fucking immigrant. I've been fucking paying taxes and my way since I got here in 2003. Never being on benefits. Except my maternity leave pay. I don't use public transport because I can afford my own car that it's pay for and road tax. Immigrant are not lazy. It takes a lot of get go to leave everything and everyone you know to move to a new country alone to better yourself and future MrsSB " Definately an immigrant we'd love to fuck | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?.
Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools.
I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one?"ydych yn unig yn agor eich ceg i newid traed  | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' "Quality! Great pics by the way | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?.
Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools.
I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one?
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?.
Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools.
I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one?
Your assumption is that English the default first language and learning Welsh is an additional language. For some, English is the second language and Wales recognises both English and Welsh."welsh is the main language for the schools in my area with the option to take classes in English. Some Welsh speakers often struggle a little to converse completely fluidly in English. It is quite a different language and as an Englishman I have no problem with it, but you do encounter the odd Welsh fundamentalists who snub you in a very racist way because of where you are from. Their loss I always say. No need for it. | |||
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"I'm a fucking immigrant. I've been fucking paying taxes and my way since I got here in 2003. Never being on benefits. Except my maternity leave pay. I don't use public transport because I can afford my own car that it's pay for and road tax. Immigrant are not lazy. It takes a lot of get go to leave everything and everyone you know to move to a new country alone to better yourself and future MrsSB Definately an immigrant we'd love to fuck "Shes a fucking naughty one too....! | |||
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"I'm a fucking immigrant. I've been fucking paying taxes and my way since I got here in 2003. Never being on benefits. Except my maternity leave pay. I don't use public transport because I can afford my own car that it's pay for and road tax. Immigrant are not lazy. It takes a lot of get go to leave everything and everyone you know to move to a new country alone to better yourself and future MrsSB " | |||
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"My ex's,very white, god fearing mother and father are and will always be terribly racist. I was intrigued to find out that as a she was the offspring of a number of generations as well as herself born in Rawalpindi, she may be eligible to a Pakistani passport. I do not think they were amused when I brought it up in a heated conversation about race some years ago by imploring her to go back to Pakistan in the same flowery language that they were using about the guys who ran the shop in their village." Immigrants are often harsher about other immigrants. It's the door should have been locked immediately after our entry syndrome. It drives me nuts. | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead"So the Welsh can feel smug, when using it in front of the English. | |||
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" No. Like Gaelic it was repressed and marginalised deliberately for hundreds of years by an imperial influence. Like I said it is easy never having experienced it to tell people that it is irrelevant and does not matter. " I come from Cambridgeshire, and don’t feel any loss of culture for speaking English instead of Iceni. I have worked in other parts of the world doing human rights work and have seen how divisive language can be. I have conducted interviews with women who were raped for speaking another language, so in my experience artificially resurrecting a language that was nearly dead is simply not worth it. | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?.
Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools.
I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one?
Your assumption is that English the default first language and learning Welsh is an additional language. For some, English is the second language and Wales recognises both English and Welsh..
Of course, English is spoken throughout the world by about 2 billon people, why would you want to spend time and effort learning a language spoke by 500,000 in one country and even then it's mostly only in the north of that country?.
Sure you could learn three languages or four or five but there's a time and effort to it all, welsh was naturally dying out because most welsh people just wanted to learn one language and not two?"That shows a complete lack of understanding of the geography of the Welsh language It may only have been spoken by 20% of the population, but in certain areas it has always been (and is) the language of those community - schools, the pub, the shop. Those communities are Welsh language communities through and through - places where even recent decades 70% of the population were first language Welsh speakers It's never been a "dead" language in large areas of Mid, West and North Wales and it never had to be "re-introduced" in those areas in some act of cultural heritage promotion. That's nonsense. Interestingly, Welsh language education is seen as highly desirable these days. Cardiff is full of young professionals from England and further afield who suddenly develop a real passion for the language once they realise that Welsh language schools offer an excellent education and the nasty oiks from the council estates don't go to them. I know this because some of those people are my friends | |||
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"My ex's,very white, god fearing mother and father are and will always be terribly racist. I was intrigued to find out that as a she was the offspring of a number of generations as well as herself born in Rawalpindi, she may be eligible to a Pakistani passport. I do not think they were amused when I brought it up in a heated conversation about race some years ago by imploring her to go back to Pakistan in the same flowery language that they were using about the guys who ran the shop in their village." similar in laws and one christmas lunch it was getting all too predictable and i was about to interject when our then 12 year old piped up telling his Grand dad not to be so racist and then on his own explained to him why he was being and why he should not be.. yours truly was pretty chuffed.. | |||
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"Well I'm Irish and proud of it. I'm also proud of the fact that I have lived and worked in this great Country since I was 15. I have been lucky in that I have never been out of work or drawn the dole... Do I get a medal or Deported??... ( now watch the shit hit the fan). "You get a lump sum tax rebate of all the taxes you have ever paid in the UK, and a one way ticket back to the Emerald Isle | |||
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" No. Like Gaelic it was repressed and marginalised deliberately for hundreds of years by an imperial influence. Like I said it is easy never having experienced it to tell people that it is irrelevant and does not matter. I come from Cambridgeshire, and don’t feel any loss of culture for speaking English instead of Iceni. I have worked in other parts of the world doing human rights work and have seen how divisive language can be. I have conducted interviews with women who were raped for speaking another language, so in my experience artificially resurrecting a language that was nearly dead is simply not worth it." its not nearly dead, it's a deeply routed way of life in some parts of Wales, and a massive part of the culture for them. It may well be becoming a novelty language outside of these communities but they still have their right to speak it. | |||
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" No. Like Gaelic it was repressed and marginalised deliberately for hundreds of years by an imperial influence. Like I said it is easy never having experienced it to tell people that it is irrelevant and does not matter. I come from Cambridgeshire, and don’t feel any loss of culture for speaking English instead of Iceni. I have worked in other parts of the world doing human rights work and have seen how divisive language can be. I have conducted interviews with women who were raped for speaking another language, so in my experience artificially resurrecting a language that was nearly dead is simply not worth it.its not nearly dead, it's a deeply routed way of life in some parts of Wales, and a massive part of the culture for them. It may well be becoming a novelty language outside of these communities but they still have their right to speak it." But that “novelty language” isn’t just taught in those communities is it? Its taught in every school in Wales. Also you talk about it being part of their culture, but that isn’t always the case either. There are plenty of school children in Wales from other backgrounds and cultures. If you or your parents come from Beijing, or Turin, or Rio, then learning Welsh isn’t part of your culture is it? | |||
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its okay for you all to keep to foreign born women.... but what about us foreign born men!!!!
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"do you reckon they are going to send me back to the us on trumps plane if they vote leave tomorrow...
its okay for you all to keep to foreign born women.... but what about us foreign born men!!!!
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"I'm a fucking immigrant. I've been fucking paying taxes and my way since I got here in 2003. Never being on benefits. Except my maternity leave pay. I don't use public transport because I can afford my own car that it's pay for and road tax. Immigrant are not lazy. It takes a lot of get go to leave everything and everyone you know to move to a new country alone to better yourself and future MrsSB Definately an immigrant we'd love to fuck "Right back at you
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"I'm a fucking immigrant. I've been fucking paying taxes and my way since I got here in 2003. Never being on benefits. Except my maternity leave pay. I don't use public transport because I can afford my own car that it's pay for and road tax. Immigrant are not lazy. It takes a lot of get go to leave everything and everyone you know to move to a new country alone to better yourself and future MrsSB Definately an immigrant we'd love to fuck
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead"As more than half of the world’s population speak at least two languages, no way is speaking multiple languages ‘pointless’, whatever that language may be. Children in Wales get to choose more mainstream languages as an add on the further up the educational ladder they get, so fear not, they are not missing out. Personally, as a Welsh bird, I love the Welsh language. It's a beautiful and ancient language and it helps preserve our culture | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' "We saw that on Facebook, cracked us right up | |||
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"Well I'm Irish and proud of it. I'm also proud of the fact that I have lived and worked in this great Country since I was 15. I have been lucky in that I have never been out of work or drawn the dole... Do I get a medal or Deported??... ( now watch the shit hit the fan).
You get a lump sum tax rebate of all the taxes you have ever paid in the UK, and a one way ticket back to the Emerald Isle "Really....right I'm off. | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
As more than half of the world’s population speak at least two languages, no way is speaking multiple languages ‘pointless’, whatever that language may be. Children in Wales get to choose more mainstream languages as an add on the further up the educational ladder they get, so fear not, they are not missing out.
Personally, as a Welsh bird, I love the Welsh language. It's a beautiful and ancient language and it helps preserve our culture "Being fluent in two languages makes changes in the brain which make learning more languages easier. Children who are raised speaking two languages no matter which ones will always do better when learning another than a child who was raised only speaking one. And if I remember rightly a Welsh speaking friend of mine got on rather well in Brittany and Pategonia | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?.
Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools.
I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one?
Your assumption is that English the default first language and learning Welsh is an additional language. For some, English is the second language and Wales recognises both English and Welsh..
Of course, English is spoken throughout the world by about 2 billon people, why would you want to spend time and effort learning a language spoke by 500,000 in one country and even then it's mostly only in the north of that country?.
Sure you could learn three languages or four or five but there's a time and effort to it all, welsh was naturally dying out because most welsh people just wanted to learn one language and not two?"All you are saying is that your are not able to understand something which is obvious to a great number of people. It is not an indictment on the welsh or their language. It just proves you are not capable of understanding a fairly basic concept. | |||
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"I'm a fucking immigrant. I've been fucking paying taxes and my way since I got here in 2003. Never being on benefits. Except my maternity leave pay. I don't use public transport because I can afford my own car that it's pay for and road tax. Immigrant are not lazy. It takes a lot of get go to leave everything and everyone you know to move to a new country alone to better yourself and future MrsSB " Same here I moved to the UK as a child with my family who came over to open a buisness Never lived in a council house, never been unemployed So many people see immigrants as people who just come over here to get free housing and money when most are hard working people I work for the NHS, immigrants play a huge part in the NHS now days without them our hospitals would be at breaking point, we are understaffed as it is without immigrant nurses there's no way our wards would run | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh'
I saw that. It was brilliant.
Fucking foreigners. Coming here, paying our taxes, contributing to our economy and drinking our beer.
Get them out I say. Oh whilst you are at it, please let me cut my nose off because my face is annoying me.
and daring to expand our palate's with their food..
Most of them speak better English too."I live in dudley all the immigrants speak better English them the locals round here | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead"Because it's the Welsh language and they live in wales, not Spain or China | |||
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"We call England East Wales. The Welsh language is the original language of Britain, until the Romans came across the channel, all dressed up in tin and flannel. Dunno what was wrong with woad!
Anyway, don't worry about other languages. Do what we used to do in the days of empire .... Shout very loud but slowly. It works on the French "Why did the Romans speak English | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?.
Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools.
I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one?
Your assumption is that English the default first language and learning Welsh is an additional language. For some, English is the second language and Wales recognises both English and Welsh..
Of course, English is spoken throughout the world by about 2 billon people, why would you want to spend time and effort learning a language spoke by 500,000 in one country and even then it's mostly only in the north of that country?.
Sure you could learn three languages or four or five but there's a time and effort to it all, welsh was naturally dying out because most welsh people just wanted to learn one language and not two?
All you are saying is that your are not able to understand something which is obvious to a great number of people.
It is not an indictment on the welsh or their language. It just proves you are not capable of understanding a fairly basic concept. ". What's obvious? And what proves I'm what?. Where did I say it was an indictment on the welsh?. It was a general point on the input to output of leaning a hardly used language... Yes 20% of Wales use it but 80% don't, there's a few hundred Cornish language speakers left in cornwall, it's fascinating but I wouldn't consider it worth teaching everybody in cornwall because the input exceeds the output you get from it. You see on my first post I said language was an emotive subject, people do get very defensive about it | |||
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"We call England East Wales. The Welsh language is the original language of Britain, until the Romans came across the channel, all dressed up in tin and flannel. Dunno what was wrong with woad!
Anyway, don't worry about other languages. Do what we used to do in the days of empire .... Shout very loud but slowly. It works on the French ". The official language of Britain was French for about 300 years!... Those dammed French | |||
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"We call England East Wales. The Welsh language is the original language of Britain, until the Romans came across the channel, all dressed up in tin and flannel. Dunno what was wrong with woad!
Anyway, don't worry about other languages. Do what we used to do in the days of empire .... Shout very loud but slowly. It works on the French .
The official language of Britain was French for about 300 years!... Those dammed French "it seems on this thread that you're a fluent speaker of bollocks | |||
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"We call England East Wales. The Welsh language is the original language of Britain, until the Romans came across the channel, all dressed up in tin and flannel. Dunno what was wrong with woad!
Anyway, don't worry about other languages. Do what we used to do in the days of empire .... Shout very loud but slowly. It works on the French .
The official language of Britain was French for about 300 years!... Those dammed French
it seems on this thread that you're a fluent speaker of bollocks ". Whys that? | |||
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"We call England East Wales. The Welsh language is the original language of Britain, until the Romans came across the channel, all dressed up in tin and flannel. Dunno what was wrong with woad!
Anyway, don't worry about other languages. Do what we used to do in the days of empire .... Shout very loud but slowly. It works on the French .
The official language of Britain was French for about 300 years!... Those dammed French
it seems on this thread that you're a fluent speaker of bollocks .
Whys that?"dunno ... maybe a pre-disposition you have or maybe you were taught it as a child | |||
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"We call England East Wales. The Welsh language is the original language of Britain, until the Romans came across the channel, all dressed up in tin and flannel. Dunno what was wrong with woad!
Anyway, don't worry about other languages. Do what we used to do in the days of empire .... Shout very loud but slowly. It works on the French .
The official language of Britain was French for about 300 years!... Those dammed French
it seems on this thread that you're a fluent speaker of bollocks .
Whys that?
dunno ... maybe a pre-disposition you have or maybe you were taught it as a child ". Your very confrontational, maybe you need an anger management course | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?.
Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools.
I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one?
Your assumption is that English the default first language and learning Welsh is an additional language. For some, English is the second language and Wales recognises both English and Welsh..
Of course, English is spoken throughout the world by about 2 billon people, why would you want to spend time and effort learning a language spoke by 500,000 in one country and even then it's mostly only in the north of that country?.
Sure you could learn three languages or four or five but there's a time and effort to it all, welsh was naturally dying out because most welsh people just wanted to learn one language and not two?
All you are saying is that your are not able to understand something which is obvious to a great number of people.
It is not an indictment on the welsh or their language. It just proves you are not capable of understanding a fairly basic concept. .
What's obvious? And what proves I'm what?.
Where did I say it was an indictment on the welsh?.
It was a general point on the input to output of leaning a hardly used language... Yes 20% of Wales use it but 80% don't, there's a few hundred Cornish language speakers left in cornwall, it's fascinating but I wouldn't consider it worth teaching everybody in cornwall because the input exceeds the output you get from it.
You see on my first post I said language was an emotive subject, people do get very defensive about it"I think you mistake defensive for not being afraid to state that you are talking rot. Not being welsh I couldn't give a shit what language they speak. However if they do choose their native language, they don't need someone from a different country who has clearly no idea about the issues involved telling them what is and is not a good idea when they themselves have said they don't understand what they are talking about. | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?.
Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools.
I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one?
Your assumption is that English the default first language and learning Welsh is an additional language. For some, English is the second language and Wales recognises both English and Welsh..
Of course, English is spoken throughout the world by about 2 billon people, why would you want to spend time and effort learning a language spoke by 500,000 in one country and even then it's mostly only in the north of that country?.
Sure you could learn three languages or four or five but there's a time and effort to it all, welsh was naturally dying out because most welsh people just wanted to learn one language and not two?
All you are saying is that your are not able to understand something which is obvious to a great number of people.
It is not an indictment on the welsh or their language. It just proves you are not capable of understanding a fairly basic concept. .
What's obvious? And what proves I'm what?.
Where did I say it was an indictment on the welsh?.
It was a general point on the input to output of leaning a hardly used language... Yes 20% of Wales use it but 80% don't, there's a few hundred Cornish language speakers left in cornwall, it's fascinating but I wouldn't consider it worth teaching everybody in cornwall because the input exceeds the output you get from it.
You see on my first post I said language was an emotive subject, people do get very defensive about it
I think you mistake defensive for not being afraid to state that you are talking rot.
Not being welsh I couldn't give a shit what language they speak. However if they do choose their native language, they don't need someone from a different country who has clearly no idea about the issues involved telling them what is and is not a good idea when they themselves have said they don't understand what they are talking about. ". Firstly Mr angry I didn't tell Wales what language to use, it was a statement about a personal thought! It's called conversation, Jesus get over yourself | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?.
Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools.
I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one?
Your assumption is that English the default first language and learning Welsh is an additional language. For some, English is the second language and Wales recognises both English and Welsh..
Of course, English is spoken throughout the world by about 2 billon people, why would you want to spend time and effort learning a language spoke by 500,000 in one country and even then it's mostly only in the north of that country?.
Sure you could learn three languages or four or five but there's a time and effort to it all, welsh was naturally dying out because most welsh people just wanted to learn one language and not two?
All you are saying is that your are not able to understand something which is obvious to a great number of people.
It is not an indictment on the welsh or their language. It just proves you are not capable of understanding a fairly basic concept. .
What's obvious? And what proves I'm what?.
Where did I say it was an indictment on the welsh?.
It was a general point on the input to output of leaning a hardly used language... Yes 20% of Wales use it but 80% don't, there's a few hundred Cornish language speakers left in cornwall, it's fascinating but I wouldn't consider it worth teaching everybody in cornwall because the input exceeds the output you get from it.
You see on my first post I said language was an emotive subject, people do get very defensive about it
I think you mistake defensive for not being afraid to state that you are talking rot.
Not being welsh I couldn't give a shit what language they speak. However if they do choose their native language, they don't need someone from a different country who has clearly no idea about the issues involved telling them what is and is not a good idea when they themselves have said they don't understand what they are talking about. .
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I didn't tell Wales what language to use, it was a statement about a personal thought! It's called conversation, Jesus get over yourself "This is great fun. I wish fishing was this easy. When your opinion is bollocks people are right to tell you so if you insist on telling them your opinion. | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
"Many people do not realise that there are several meanings to the word genocide. One of the little known ones is the destruction of a language. Another is the destruction of a culture. Welsh is extremely important if we want to avoid such genocide. I thought we had become rather more civilised than that. | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?.
Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools.
I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one?
Your assumption is that English the default first language and learning Welsh is an additional language. For some, English is the second language and Wales recognises both English and Welsh..
Of course, English is spoken throughout the world by about 2 billon people, why would you want to spend time and effort learning a language spoke by 500,000 in one country and even then it's mostly only in the north of that country?.
Sure you could learn three languages or four or five but there's a time and effort to it all, welsh was naturally dying out because most welsh people just wanted to learn one language and not two?
All you are saying is that your are not able to understand something which is obvious to a great number of people.
It is not an indictment on the welsh or their language. It just proves you are not capable of understanding a fairly basic concept. .
What's obvious? And what proves I'm what?.
Where did I say it was an indictment on the welsh?.
It was a general point on the input to output of leaning a hardly used language... Yes 20% of Wales use it but 80% don't, there's a few hundred Cornish language speakers left in cornwall, it's fascinating but I wouldn't consider it worth teaching everybody in cornwall because the input exceeds the output you get from it.
You see on my first post I said language was an emotive subject, people do get very defensive about it
I think you mistake defensive for not being afraid to state that you are talking rot.
Not being welsh I couldn't give a shit what language they speak. However if they do choose their native language, they don't need someone from a different country who has clearly no idea about the issues involved telling them what is and is not a good idea when they themselves have said they don't understand what they are talking about. .
Firstly Mr angry
I didn't tell Wales what language to use, it was a statement about a personal thought! It's called conversation, Jesus get over yourself
This is great fun. I wish fishing was this easy.
When your opinion is bollocks people are right to tell you so if you insist on telling them your opinion.". You've given no reason why my opinion is bollocks, you've just shouted bollocks, a bit like the other guy... Honestly your obviously well read, just reply with an actual answer, anybody can shout bollocks, my kids can do it, people with turrets... Rise above it | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Many people do not realise that there are several meanings to the word genocide. One of the little known ones is the destruction of a language.
Another is the destruction of a culture.
Welsh is extremely important if we want to avoid such genocide.
I thought we had become rather more civilised than that. ". 80% of your population don't speak welsh. | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Many people do not realise that there are several meanings to the word genocide. One of the little known ones is the destruction of a language.
Another is the destruction of a culture.
Welsh is extremely important if we want to avoid such genocide.
I thought we had become rather more civilised than that. .
80% of your population don't speak welsh."Don't understand your point. Or you didn't understand mine. | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Many people do not realise that there are several meanings to the word genocide. One of the little known ones is the destruction of a language.
Another is the destruction of a culture.
Welsh is extremely important if we want to avoid such genocide.
I thought we had become rather more civilised than that. .
80% of your population don't speak welsh."Incorrect. It id not the first language of 80% of the population, that is not to say that some (or most) of that 80% don't speak it at all. I was at college in Aberystwyth and then Bangor and I can assure you that Welsh is spoken in day to day life and not just (as some people seem to believe) to annoy monoglots. You seem to think that the brain might somehow get "full" after learnung a second language, which is not the case. Pupils in Wales can also learn other languages alongside Welsh (where welsh is the second language) if they so choose. Welsh has never been a dead language, you might argue that Cornish is, but it still seems a shame to lose it. There are more reasons to preserve culture than its possible applications in the world of business, you know. Also; many people of my fathers geration and older still recall the Welsh knot, so the attempted eradication of Welsh in Wales has been going on until more recently than you think. Twp. | |||
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"We call England East Wales. The Welsh language is the original language of Britain, until the Romans came across the channel, all dressed up in tin and flannel. Dunno what was wrong with woad!
Anyway, don't worry about other languages. Do what we used to do in the days of empire .... Shout very loud but slowly. It works on the French .
The official language of Britain was French for about 300 years!... Those dammed French "About 800 years ago. 500 years ago (in the age of Shakespeare ) we had English as our official language. What saved our language was in large part due to Chaucer (amongst others) who decided to write in English as opposed to the official language of French. That was in the 1200s. | |||
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"We call England East Wales. The Welsh language is the original language of Britain, until the Romans came across the channel, all dressed up in tin and flannel. Dunno what was wrong with woad!
Anyway, don't worry about other languages. Do what we used to do in the days of empire .... Shout very loud but slowly. It works on the French .
The official language of Britain was French for about 300 years!... Those dammed French
About 800 years ago. 500 years ago (in the age of Shakespeare ) we had English as our official language.
What saved our language was in large part due to Chaucer (amongst others) who decided to write in English as opposed to the official language of French. That was in the 1200s."Phew! Fank gawd fer dat  | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Many people do not realise that there are several meanings to the word genocide. One of the little known ones is the destruction of a language.
Another is the destruction of a culture.
Welsh is extremely important if we want to avoid such genocide.
I thought we had become rather more civilised than that. .
80% of your population don't speak welsh.
Incorrect. It id not the first language of 80% of the population, that is not to say that some (or most) of that 80% don't speak it at all.
I was at college in Aberystwyth and then Bangor and I can assure you that Welsh is spoken in day to day life and not just (as some people seem to believe) to annoy monoglots.
You seem to think that the brain might somehow get "full" after learnung a second language, which is not the case. Pupils in Wales can also learn other languages alongside Welsh (where welsh is the second language) if they so choose.
Welsh has never been a dead language, you might argue that Cornish is, but it still seems a shame to lose it. There are more reasons to preserve culture than its possible applications in the world of business, you know.
Also; many people of my fathers geration and older still recall the Welsh knot, so the attempted eradication of Welsh in Wales has been going on until more recently than you think.
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"Bloody Foreigner; coming over here, wanting to know what love is... Anyhoo, this thread reminded me of Charlie Brooker's excellent rant about immigration when all the nonsense about us being imminently immersed under a tidal wave of Romanians and Bulgarians was at fever pitch. Something like: "I miss the old way of life, before we had all these Bulgarians and Romanians. And Indians and Pakistanis, and West Indians and Australians, and Huguenots, and Normans and Danes and Jutes and Saxons. And Romans. And the Celts those foreign fucking bastards. They were first in the door and it's been downhill ever since..." "Nice piece! Um... Sorry... what did you say? | |||
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"*pisses self laughing* just for you information the welsh language is several thousand years older than modern English, is the oldest unmodified language in Europe and is a darn sight more beautiful to the ear than the way that English is evolving. And yes, it is still the original language from back then. Modern words have a welsh vowel version but its not a welsh word i.e. Ambulance. If we are arguing that welsh people stop learning Welsh in schools can we please ban all English words invented in the past fifty years too? I personally hate "oi" "selfie" "chav" and"croggy". Nos Dda cariads x " . That's not hard modern English didn't even come about till the 1500s. I have a love affair with steam engines, there far more beautiful and sound amazing compared to some shit modern combustion engine, I wouldn't think it's worth teaching children the intricacies of maintaining then though, that's not too say there's not a place for somebody to do it, just that I think teaching everybody the workings of steam engines in this day and age is a little pointless there's probably things that could be more useful to them! | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' "Curious as to why the need to describe him as a white man? Surely colour is irrelevant here? | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh'
Curious as to why the need to describe him as a white man? Surely colour is irrelevant here? ". Not if your somebody who's likes to shout bollocks and racist a lot without making a single contributory point... In fact what they are is... Fascists by another name.... My default position is your a racist and that's the cause of every problem in the world!.... Or shut the fuck up, you don't think or say the things i like to hear! | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?.
Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools.
I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one?
Your assumption is that English the default first language and learning Welsh is an additional language. For some, English is the second language and Wales recognises both English and Welsh..
Of course, English is spoken throughout the world by about 2 billon people, why would you want to spend time and effort learning a language spoke by 500,000 in one country and even then it's mostly only in the north of that country?.
Sure you could learn three languages or four or five but there's a time and effort to it all, welsh was naturally dying out because most welsh people just wanted to learn one language and not two?
All you are saying is that your are not able to understand something which is obvious to a great number of people.
It is not an indictment on the welsh or their language. It just proves you are not capable of understanding a fairly basic concept. .
What's obvious? And what proves I'm what?.
Where did I say it was an indictment on the welsh?.
It was a general point on the input to output of leaning a hardly used language... Yes 20% of Wales use it but 80% don't, there's a few hundred Cornish language speakers left in cornwall, it's fascinating but I wouldn't consider it worth teaching everybody in cornwall because the input exceeds the output you get from it.
You see on my first post I said language was an emotive subject, people do get very defensive about it"People get quite upset by cultural imperialism.....learning several languages is seen as a good thing in most countries | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead
Maybe if you lived in Wales and had your native language destroyed you might understand.
Or maybe it is easier to sit apart and tell other groups of people what is best as the English have done for generations. .
No welsh is just a bit of a waste, only 20% of the population speak it, it's unlikely that anymore than a million people will ever speak it, they spend fortunes doubling up on every sign in Wales...... when vhs video tapes came out along side betamax nobody got all arsey about culture and kept both!.
One worked better than the other and we slipped into that one.
Language has always seems to be an emotive subject when it really shouldn't be
Restricting language is all a little bit 1984 don't you think?.
Restricting it would be yes, but it was naturally dying until it's reintroduction into schools.
I don't think learning another language is bad, but at the same time if your going to that time and effort wouldn't it be better learn a more useful one?
Your assumption is that English the default first language and learning Welsh is an additional language. For some, English is the second language and Wales recognises both English and Welsh..
Of course, English is spoken throughout the world by about 2 billon people, why would you want to spend time and effort learning a language spoke by 500,000 in one country and even then it's mostly only in the north of that country?.
Sure you could learn three languages or four or five but there's a time and effort to it all, welsh was naturally dying out because most welsh people just wanted to learn one language and not two?
All you are saying is that your are not able to understand something which is obvious to a great number of people.
It is not an indictment on the welsh or their language. It just proves you are not capable of understanding a fairly basic concept. .
What's obvious? And what proves I'm what?.
Where did I say it was an indictment on the welsh?.
It was a general point on the input to output of leaning a hardly used language... Yes 20% of Wales use it but 80% don't, there's a few hundred Cornish language speakers left in cornwall, it's fascinating but I wouldn't consider it worth teaching everybody in cornwall because the input exceeds the output you get from it.
You see on my first post I said language was an emotive subject, people do get very defensive about it
People get quite upset by cultural imperialism.....learning several languages is seen as a good thing in most countries"Indeed. Try telling a Belgian they can't use Flemish. Language gives identity. As does dialect(and accents). All are going. Anything which stops that rot is a good thing. I bet the reintroduction of Welsh signs and teaching may have been helped by EU grants as well. Ha. | |||
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"*pisses self laughing* just for you information the welsh language is several thousand years older than modern English, is the oldest unmodified language in Europe and is a darn sight more beautiful to the ear than the way that English is evolving. And yes, it is still the original language from back then. Modern words have a welsh vowel version but its not a welsh word i.e. Ambulance. If we are arguing that welsh people stop learning Welsh in schools can we please ban all English words invented in the past fifty years too? I personally hate "oi" "selfie" "chav" and"croggy". Nos Dda cariads x . That's not hard modern English didn't even come about till the 1500s. I have a love affair with steam engines, there far more beautiful and sound amazing compared to some shit modern combustion engine, I wouldn't think it's worth teaching children the intricacies of maintaining then though, that's not too say there's not a place for somebody to do it, just that I think teaching everybody the workings of steam engines in this day and age is a little pointless there's probably things that could be more useful to them!" stop with your talking bollocks ffs!! you really are embarressing yourself now. it's bollox comparing steam engines to a working living language and it's bollocks for you to presume what is useful or not to folks who live in a country other than yours. it's bollocks to state as fact that a language was naturally dying out when it was beaten out of my parents and grand parents generations at school. it's bollocks to insult folk over their choice of language that they use to communicate a rich culture which has traditionally been done through the spoken word instead of writting. your stance on this thread is deliberate inflamatory bollocks and yeah it has inflammed but it has also shown you to be ill-informed and hostile to other cultures which you clearly don't understand. take a step back and think about what you are saying on this before you open your mouth to change feet for the umpteenth time. | |||
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"Who wouldn't like to learn the language that has the word popity ping for microwave lol I personally love hearing the welsh language being spoken, my cousin moved to wales 20 years ago, and he and his wife who are both English by birth, have two kids who speak welsh as their first language, English as their first, and are fluent in both, how many English kids are fluent in two languages? From what I see round here half aren't fluent in one. I think its important to keep languages alive, you can't have a clear idea of where you're going, until you know where you've been" I heard popity ping the other week for the first time it still amuses me now when I hear it lol | |||
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"Well I learned Latin at school . Dead language? Maybe. But its strict grammar means that I understand the grammar of every language . And words of Latin origin are present in everyveuropean language. So it's easy to learn another language. But of course most Brits don't care because they just shout at Johnny Foreigner" in English. (That's also why it isn't pointless to understand how a steam engine works, either, it's basic engineering principles, turning stored energy into heat, then into power, by expansion/ compression. and turning linear motion/ energy into rotational motion/ energy. All heat driven engines work the same way) " I learned Latin too. Inner city, state comprehensive in Hackney but given the chance to learn Latin. Learning is exponential. | |||
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"There's one massive thing that the immigrants have over us They can have any old bollocks on their car reg plate And say it's personalised " Utter Bollocks, actually; If you bring a car to UK; you are legally required to register it within 1 month: You may retain your national registration if you are a temporary visitor up to 6 months only. If that's not enforced; blame the police. | |||
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"I think its important to keep languages alive, you can't have a clear idea of where you're going, until you know where you've been" As an English person who speaks no other languages at all I agree completely. I think it's sad that few Scots speak Gaelic these days. Many languages, particularly older less used ones, have very specific words that simply don't translate. This makes them very important culturally. I also love accents
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"There's one massive thing that the immigrants have over us They can have any old bollocks on their car reg plate And say it's personalised Utter Bollocks, actually; If you bring a car to UK; you are legally required to register it within 1 month: You may retain your national registration if you are a temporary visitor up to 6 months only. If that's not enforced; blame the police." Oh god It was a joke ffs | |||
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"There's one massive thing that the immigrants have over us They can have any old bollocks on their car reg plate And say it's personalised Utter Bollocks, actually; If you bring a car to UK; you are legally required to register it within 1 month: You may retain your national registration if you are a temporary visitor up to 6 months only. If that's not enforced; blame the police. Oh god It was a joke ffs" Perhaps is was; ( not a funny one) but the ignorant believe that sort of shit; and trot it back out as truth; And before you know it, it's added to the general hatred and distrust of immigrants. | |||
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"I want to re-introduce Aygee Paygaygee [Translation: Eggy Peggy] in English schools. Then we could take the piss out of the Weslsh without them knowing [Joke: Indicated by excessive use of smileys]. And let's not be too hasty about 'sending immigrants back'. Not before we've sent a crew of those Polish builder lads oop north to build a proper wall to keep the savage hordes back. [Note further excessive use of smileys]. Roman sciany dupe as they say in Warsaw."I don't see why everyone goes on about sending immigrants back to where they came from as most of the polish people I know were actually born in the UK... | |||
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"I want to re-introduce Aygee Paygaygee [Translation: Eggy Peggy] in English schools. Then we could take the piss out of the Weslsh without them knowing [Joke: Indicated by excessive use of smileys]. And let's not be too hasty about 'sending immigrants back'. Not before we've sent a crew of those Polish builder lads oop north to build a proper wall to keep the savage hordes back. [Note further excessive use of smileys]. Roman sciany dupe as they say in Warsaw.
I don't see why everyone goes on about sending immigrants back to where they came from as most of the polish people I know were actually born in the UK...
"Lets send all the immigrants home; The Vikings can go back, and the Anglo Saxons, and the Normans, and the Romans. 
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"There's one massive thing that the immigrants have over us They can have any old bollocks on their car reg plate And say it's personalised Utter Bollocks, actually; If you bring a car to UK; you are legally required to register it within 1 month: You may retain your national registration if you are a temporary visitor up to 6 months only. If that's not enforced; blame the police. Oh god It was a joke ffs Perhaps is was; ( not a funny one) but the ignorant believe that sort of shit; and trot it back out as truth; And before you know it, it's added to the general hatred and distrust of immigrants." Lighten up mate jeeeez | |||
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"I want to re-introduce Aygee Paygaygee [Translation: Eggy Peggy] in English schools. Then we could take the piss out of the Weslsh without them knowing [Joke: Indicated by excessive use of smileys]. And let's not be too hasty about 'sending immigrants back'. Not before we've sent a crew of those Polish builder lads oop north to build a proper wall to keep the savage hordes back. [Note further excessive use of smileys]. Roman sciany dupe as they say in Warsaw.
I don't see why everyone goes on about sending immigrants back to where they came from as most of the polish people I know were actually born in the UK...
Lets send all the immigrants home;
The Vikings can go back, and the Anglo Saxons, and the Normans, and the Romans.
"The country would benefit immensely if we all fucked off and left nature to do its thing. | |||
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"I want to re-introduce Aygee Paygaygee [Translation: Eggy Peggy] in English schools. Then we could take the piss out of the Weslsh without them knowing [Joke: Indicated by excessive use of smileys]. And let's not be too hasty about 'sending immigrants back'. Not before we've sent a crew of those Polish builder lads oop north to build a proper wall to keep the savage hordes back. [Note further excessive use of smileys]. Roman sciany dupe as they say in Warsaw.
I don't see why everyone goes on about sending immigrants back to where they came from as most of the polish people I know were actually born in the UK...
Lets send all the immigrants home;
The Vikings can go back, and the Anglo Saxons, and the Normans, and the Romans.
The country would benefit immensely if we all fucked off and left nature to do its thing." | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh'
Curious as to why the need to describe him as a white man? Surely colour is irrelevant here? .
Not if your somebody who's likes to shout bollocks and racist a lot without making a single contributory point...
In fact what they are is... Fascists by another name.... My default position is your a racist and that's the cause of every problem in the world!.... Or shut the fuck up, you don't think or say the things i like to hear!"Exactly, colour is irrelevant. You can be racist but that doesn't mean you are white. The colour of the gentleman here has been included to insinuate white racism, when in actual fact it's the gentlemans own beliefs that make him so, not the colour of his skin. Who cares what colour he was. What he did was wrong, but I don't need to be made to feel guilty because the gentleman in question shared a skin tone similar to my own. | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh'
Curious as to why the need to describe him as a white man? Surely colour is irrelevant here? .
Not if your somebody who's likes to shout bollocks and racist a lot without making a single contributory point...
In fact what they are is... Fascists by another name.... My default position is your a racist and that's the cause of every problem in the world!.... Or shut the fuck up, you don't think or say the things i like to hear!
Exactly, colour is irrelevant. You can be racist but that doesn't mean you are white. The colour of the gentleman here has been included to insinuate white racism, when in actual fact it's the gentlemans own beliefs that make him so, not the colour of his skin. Who cares what colour he was. What he did was wrong, but I don't need to be made to feel guilty because the gentleman in question shared a skin tone similar to my own. "As I said I copied the quote from Facebook... If you are that arsed about it get on over and post your rant on there | |||
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Leave the sheep out of it
I hear you've lost yours !!!!"Bit embarrassing really... | |||
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""But of course most Brits don't care because they just shout at Johnny Foreigner" in English". Silver Fox. Is that a fact backed up by research data or a sweeping generalisation. I agree with you about Latin and the roots of words across several languages. I also think it's fantastic that Wales, Scotland, Ireland and yes, the Cornish are reviving their ancient and noble languages. [I'm half Cornish - the bottom half; the top half is Irish/Welsh/Dutch]. I love words, languages, accents, dialects. All part of the rich tapestry of these sceptred isles. And long may it continue. BTW I have basic qualifications in conversational French & German languages languages and my son speaks fluent German and I don't shout in pidgin English at 'foreigners'. "Well data shows that beside Hungary, UK is the European country with the least number of people able to speak a second language. And in extensive travelling and living in Europe and elsewhere; it is quite clear which nation shouts at everyone ..... And how many " permanent" expats refuse to try to speak French here.... ( the Germans, Belgians, Dutch, Spanish, Italians all speak some French) | |||
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"I want to re-introduce Aygee Paygaygee [Translation: Eggy Peggy] in English schools. Then we could take the piss out of the Weslsh without them knowing [Joke: Indicated by excessive use of smileys]. And let's not be too hasty about 'sending immigrants back'. Not before we've sent a crew of those Polish builder lads oop north to build a proper wall to keep the savage hordes back. [Note further excessive use of smileys]. Roman sciany dupe as they say in Warsaw.
I don't see why everyone goes on about sending immigrants back to where they came from as most of the polish people I know were actually born in the UK...
"(Scratching head) doesn't that make them British,rather than Polish. | |||
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"there was a post on fb yesterday that made me chuckle... white man sat in front of a mother and her son on a replacement train between Newport and Cwmbran. Mother was wearing a niqab. After about 5 mins of the mother talking to her son in another language, the man feels the need to tell the woman 'when you're in the UK you should really be speaking English'.. at which point an old lady in front of him turns around and says 'She's in Wales, and she is speaking Welsh' .
I've never really understood why the welsh school board felt the need to reintroduce welsh into school....I mean, it's a bit of a pointless exercise when you think you could have learnt Chinese or Spanish instead"They felt the need to reintroduce the native language back as many were denied the right to learn it. And who took it out of the national curriculum?? Oh yeah English speakers who didn't even live in bloody Wales! I can't speak it as it was no longer taught. I feel robbed of this right. No I had to learn French or German and I don't live there!! I'd sooner of learnt Spanish which is spoken far more across the world. You've thrown the words fascist and racist around on the thread bit, What are you then when you are saying a particular nation doesn't deserve to learn it's own language?? | |||
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""But of course most Brits don't care because they just shout at Johnny Foreigner" in English". Silver Fox. Is that a fact backed up by research data or a sweeping generalisation. I agree with you about Latin and the roots of words across several languages. I also think it's fantastic that Wales, Scotland, Ireland and yes, the Cornish are reviving their ancient and noble languages. [I'm half Cornish - the bottom half; the top half is Irish/Welsh/Dutch]. I love words, languages, accents, dialects. All part of the rich tapestry of these sceptred isles. And long may it continue. BTW I have basic qualifications in conversational French & German languages languages and my son speaks fluent German and I don't shout in pidgin English at 'foreigners'.
Well data shows that beside Hungary, UK is the European country with the least number of people able to speak a second language.
And in extensive travelling and living in Europe and elsewhere; it is quite clear which nation shouts at everyone .....
And how many " permanent" expats refuse to try to speak French here....
( the Germans, Belgians, Dutch, Spanish, Italians all speak some French)"It's a sweeping generalisation then. | |||
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""But of course most Brits don't care because they just shout at Johnny Foreigner" in English". Silver Fox. Is that a fact backed up by research data or a sweeping generalisation. I agree with you about Latin and the roots of words across several languages. I also think it's fantastic that Wales, Scotland, Ireland and yes, the Cornish are reviving their ancient and noble languages. [I'm half Cornish - the bottom half; the top half is Irish/Welsh/Dutch]. I love words, languages, accents, dialects. All part of the rich tapestry of these sceptred isles. And long may it continue. BTW I have basic qualifications in conversational French & German languages languages and my son speaks fluent German and I don't shout in pidgin English at 'foreigners'.
Well data shows that beside Hungary, UK is the European country with the least number of people able to speak a second language.
And in extensive travelling and living in Europe and elsewhere; it is quite clear which nation shouts at everyone .....
And how many " permanent" expats refuse to try to speak French here....
( the Germans, Belgians, Dutch, Spanish, Italians all speak some French)
It's a sweeping generalisation then."Based on 30 years of observation. | |||
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""But of course most Brits don't care because they just shout at Johnny Foreigner" in English". Silver Fox. Is that a fact backed up by research data or a sweeping generalisation. I agree with you about Latin and the roots of words across several languages. I also think it's fantastic that Wales, Scotland, Ireland and yes, the Cornish are reviving their ancient and noble languages. [I'm half Cornish - the bottom half; the top half is Irish/Welsh/Dutch]. I love words, languages, accents, dialects. All part of the rich tapestry of these sceptred isles. And long may it continue. BTW I have basic qualifications in conversational French & German languages languages and my son speaks fluent German and I don't shout in pidgin English at 'foreigners'.
Well data shows that beside Hungary, UK is the European country with the least number of people able to speak a second language.
And in extensive travelling and living in Europe and elsewhere; it is quite clear which nation shouts at everyone .....
And how many " permanent" expats refuse to try to speak French here....
( the Germans, Belgians, Dutch, Spanish, Italians all speak some French)
It's a sweeping generalisation then.
Based on 30 years of observation."Not an empirical source I'm afraid. Unless you documented, quantified and/or qualified your observational 'research'of course. Otherwise, it might be said that you are simply re-iterating and reinforcing a stereotype. | |||
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""But of course most Brits don't care because they just shout at Johnny Foreigner" in English". Silver Fox. Is that a fact backed up by research data or a sweeping generalisation. I agree with you about Latin and the roots of words across several languages. I also think it's fantastic that Wales, Scotland, Ireland and yes, the Cornish are reviving their ancient and noble languages. [I'm half Cornish - the bottom half; the top half is Irish/Welsh/Dutch]. I love words, languages, accents, dialects. All part of the rich tapestry of these sceptred isles. And long may it continue. BTW I have basic qualifications in conversational French & German languages languages and my son speaks fluent German and I don't shout in pidgin English at 'foreigners'.
Well data shows that beside Hungary, UK is the European country with the least number of people able to speak a second language.
And in extensive travelling and living in Europe and elsewhere; it is quite clear which nation shouts at everyone .....
And how many " permanent" expats refuse to try to speak French here....
( the Germans, Belgians, Dutch, Spanish, Italians all speak some French)
It's a sweeping generalisation then.
Based on 30 years of observation.
Not an empirical source I'm afraid. Unless you documented, quantified and/or qualified your observational 'research'of course. Otherwise, it might be said that you are simply re-iterating and reinforcing a stereotype."So sorry: I shall immediately go and do a scientific survey of at least 2000 subjects, and present the results complete with mean and standard deviation. Or perhaps I shall just remember that 8/10 of the Brit expats I meet here ( when I can't avoid them) speak not one word of French; and have almost no social interaction with the locals. And that I and the one or two other French speakers are constantly being asked to go to the doctors, or the hospitals, or the Prefecture with them to translate . ( different in the Cities, where the younger, professional workers are). Whereas socially, I meet the Dutch, German, Itslian expats at French social events, and without exception, they speak at least some French, and the majority speak at least colloquially . | |||
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"I'm a fucking immigrant. I've been fucking paying taxes and my way since I got here in 2003. Never being on benefits. Except my maternity leave pay. I don't use public transport because I can afford my own car that it's pay for and road tax. Immigrant are not lazy. It takes a lot of get go to leave everything and everyone you know to move to a new country alone to better yourself and future MrsSB " Some Immigrants ARE lazy and others aren't. Saying all immigrants are not lazy is as bad as saying they all are. People are individuals wherever they come from and who someone IS, is far more important then WHERE they are from. | |||
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""But of course most Brits don't care because they just shout at Johnny Foreigner" in English". Silver Fox. Is that a fact backed up by research data or a sweeping generalisation. I agree with you about Latin and the roots of words across several languages. I also think it's fantastic that Wales, Scotland, Ireland and yes, the Cornish are reviving their ancient and noble languages. [I'm half Cornish - the bottom half; the top half is Irish/Welsh/Dutch]. I love words, languages, accents, dialects. All part of the rich tapestry of these sceptred isles. And long may it continue. BTW I have basic qualifications in conversational French & German languages languages and my son speaks fluent German and I don't shout in pidgin English at 'foreigners'.
Well data shows that beside Hungary, UK is the European country with the least number of people able to speak a second language.
And in extensive travelling and living in Europe and elsewhere; it is quite clear which nation shouts at everyone .....
And how many " permanent" expats refuse to try to speak French here....
( the Germans, Belgians, Dutch, Spanish, Italians all speak some French)
It's a sweeping generalisation then.
Based on 30 years of observation.
Not an empirical source I'm afraid. Unless you documented, quantified and/or qualified your observational 'research'of course. Otherwise, it might be said that you are simply re-iterating and reinforcing a stereotype.
So sorry: I shall immediately go and do a scientific survey of at least 2000 subjects, and present the results complete with mean and standard deviation.
Or perhaps I shall just remember that 8/10 of the Brit expats I meet here ( when I can't avoid them) speak not one word of French; and have almost no social interaction with the locals. And that I and the one or two other French speakers are constantly being asked to go to the doctors, or the hospitals, or the Prefecture with them to translate .
( different in the Cities, where the younger, professional workers are).
Whereas socially, I meet the Dutch, German, Itslian expats at French social events, and without exception, they speak at least some French, and the majority speak at least colloquially .
"2,000 may or may not be a statistically viable sample depending on the ex-pat population of which you speak. Although you are certain that 80% of British ex-pats in your part of France do not speak French, carrying out a survey of people you avoid may prove to be difficult for you. Apology accepted | |||
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""But of course most Brits don't care because they just shout at Johnny Foreigner" in English". Silver Fox. Is that a fact backed up by research data or a sweeping generalisation. I agree with you about Latin and the roots of words across several languages. I also think it's fantastic that Wales, Scotland, Ireland and yes, the Cornish are reviving their ancient and noble languages. [I'm half Cornish - the bottom half; the top half is Irish/Welsh/Dutch]. I love words, languages, accents, dialects. All part of the rich tapestry of these sceptred isles. And long may it continue. BTW I have basic qualifications in conversational French & German languages languages and my son speaks fluent German and I don't shout in pidgin English at 'foreigners'.
Well data shows that beside Hungary, UK is the European country with the least number of people able to speak a second language.
And in extensive travelling and living in Europe and elsewhere; it is quite clear which nation shouts at everyone .....
And how many " permanent" expats refuse to try to speak French here....
( the Germans, Belgians, Dutch, Spanish, Italians all speak some French)
It's a sweeping generalisation then.
Based on 30 years of observation.
Not an empirical source I'm afraid. Unless you documented, quantified and/or qualified your observational 'research'of course. Otherwise, it might be said that you are simply re-iterating and reinforcing a stereotype.
So sorry: I shall immediately go and do a scientific survey of at least 2000 subjects, and present the results complete with mean and standard deviation.
Or perhaps I shall just remember that 8/10 of the Brit expats I meet here ( when I can't avoid them) speak not one word of French; and have almost no social interaction with the locals. And that I and the one or two other French speakers are constantly being asked to go to the doctors, or the hospitals, or the Prefecture with them to translate .
( different in the Cities, where the younger, professional workers are).
Whereas socially, I meet the Dutch, German, Itslian expats at French social events, and without exception, they speak at least some French, and the majority speak at least colloquially .
"If I moved to France I would learn French. I know a little already but struggle because I don't use it often. I learned Italian at school and forgot it all,because I don't know any Italians to talk to. I'm sticking with English because everyone speaks English here,even the immigrants | |||
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""But of course most Brits don't care because they just shout at Johnny Foreigner" in English". Silver Fox. Is that a fact backed up by research data or a sweeping generalisation. I agree with you about Latin and the roots of words across several languages. I also think it's fantastic that Wales, Scotland, Ireland and yes, the Cornish are reviving their ancient and noble languages. [I'm half Cornish - the bottom half; the top half is Irish/Welsh/Dutch]. I love words, languages, accents, dialects. All part of the rich tapestry of these sceptred isles. And long may it continue. BTW I have basic qualifications in conversational French & German languages languages and my son speaks fluent German and I don't shout in pidgin English at 'foreigners'.
Well data shows that beside Hungary, UK is the European country with the least number of people able to speak a second language.
And in extensive travelling and living in Europe and elsewhere; it is quite clear which nation shouts at everyone .....
And how many " permanent" expats refuse to try to speak French here....
( the Germans, Belgians, Dutch, Spanish, Italians all speak some French)
It's a sweeping generalisation then.
Based on 30 years of observation.
Not an empirical source I'm afraid. Unless you documented, quantified and/or qualified your observational 'research'of course. Otherwise, it might be said that you are simply re-iterating and reinforcing a stereotype.
So sorry: I shall immediately go and do a scientific survey of at least 2000 subjects, and present the results complete with mean and standard deviation.
Or perhaps I shall just remember that 8/10 of the Brit expats I meet here ( when I can't avoid them) speak not one word of French; and have almost no social interaction with the locals. And that I and the one or two other French speakers are constantly being asked to go to the doctors, or the hospitals, or the Prefecture with them to translate .
( different in the Cities, where the younger, professional workers are).
Whereas socially, I meet the Dutch, German, Itslian expats at French social events, and without exception, they speak at least some French, and the majority speak at least colloquially .
2,000 may or may not be a statistically viable sample depending on the ex-pat population of which you speak. Although you are certain that 80% of British ex-pats in your part of France do not speak French, carrying out a survey of people you avoid may prove to be difficult for you. Apology accepted "My mother in law and her husband moved to France about 8 years ago. He tries to speak French and fails,she has no hope of learning so relies on other people to translate. It's harder as you get older,you're brain doesn't want to cooperate | |||
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""But of course most Brits don't care because they just shout at Johnny Foreigner" in English". Silver Fox. Is that a fact backed up by research data or a sweeping generalisation. I agree with you about Latin and the roots of words across several languages. I also think it's fantastic that Wales, Scotland, Ireland and yes, the Cornish are reviving their ancient and noble languages. [I'm half Cornish - the bottom half; the top half is Irish/Welsh/Dutch]. I love words, languages, accents, dialects. All part of the rich tapestry of these sceptred isles. And long may it continue. BTW I have basic qualifications in conversational French & German languages languages and my son speaks fluent German and I don't shout in pidgin English at 'foreigners'.
Well data shows that beside Hungary, UK is the European country with the least number of people able to speak a second language.
And in extensive travelling and living in Europe and elsewhere; it is quite clear which nation shouts at everyone .....
And how many " permanent" expats refuse to try to speak French here....
( the Germans, Belgians, Dutch, Spanish, Italians all speak some French)
It's a sweeping generalisation then.
Based on 30 years of observation.
Not an empirical source I'm afraid. Unless you documented, quantified and/or qualified your observational 'research'of course. Otherwise, it might be said that you are simply re-iterating and reinforcing a stereotype.
So sorry: I shall immediately go and do a scientific survey of at least 2000 subjects, and present the results complete with mean and standard deviation.
Or perhaps I shall just remember that 8/10 of the Brit expats I meet here ( when I can't avoid them) speak not one word of French; and have almost no social interaction with the locals. And that I and the one or two other French speakers are constantly being asked to go to the doctors, or the hospitals, or the Prefecture with them to translate .
( different in the Cities, where the younger, professional workers are).
Whereas socially, I meet the Dutch, German, Itslian expats at French social events, and without exception, they speak at least some French, and the majority speak at least colloquially .
2,000 may or may not be a statistically viable sample depending on the ex-pat population of which you speak. Although you are certain that 80% of British ex-pats in your part of France do not speak French, carrying out a survey of people you avoid may prove to be difficult for you. Apology accepted "What apology? Or do you misunderstand sarcasm? | |||
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""But of course most Brits don't care because they just shout at Johnny Foreigner" in English". Silver Fox. Is that a fact backed up by research data or a sweeping generalisation. I agree with you about Latin and the roots of words across several languages. I also think it's fantastic that Wales, Scotland, Ireland and yes, the Cornish are reviving their ancient and noble languages. [I'm half Cornish - the bottom half; the top half is Irish/Welsh/Dutch]. I love words, languages, accents, dialects. All part of the rich tapestry of these sceptred isles. And long may it continue. BTW I have basic qualifications in conversational French & German languages languages and my son speaks fluent German and I don't shout in pidgin English at 'foreigners'.
Well data shows that beside Hungary, UK is the European country with the least number of people able to speak a second language.
And in extensive travelling and living in Europe and elsewhere; it is quite clear which nation shouts at everyone .....
And how many " permanent" expats refuse to try to speak French here....
( the Germans, Belgians, Dutch, Spanish, Italians all speak some French)
It's a sweeping generalisation then.
Based on 30 years of observation.
Not an empirical source I'm afraid. Unless you documented, quantified and/or qualified your observational 'research'of course. Otherwise, it might be said that you are simply re-iterating and reinforcing a stereotype.
So sorry: I shall immediately go and do a scientific survey of at least 2000 subjects, and present the results complete with mean and standard deviation.
Or perhaps I shall just remember that 8/10 of the Brit expats I meet here ( when I can't avoid them) speak not one word of French; and have almost no social interaction with the locals. And that I and the one or two other French speakers are constantly being asked to go to the doctors, or the hospitals, or the Prefecture with them to translate .
( different in the Cities, where the younger, professional workers are).
Whereas socially, I meet the Dutch, German, Itslian expats at French social events, and without exception, they speak at least some French, and the majority speak at least colloquially .
2,000 may or may not be a statistically viable sample depending on the ex-pat population of which you speak. Although you are certain that 80% of British ex-pats in your part of France do not speak French, carrying out a survey of people you avoid may prove to be difficult for you. Apology accepted
What apology?
Or do you misunderstand sarcasm?
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"Fucking English, fucking welsh, fucking immigrants - not fussy me as long as we fancy each other "Could not agree with you more | |||
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