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"Two weeks ago I was sitting on the fence but I have definitely swayed towards the stay camp. Nothing to do with who want in, more looking at those who want out." Too busy focusing on the individuals and not the policies. All the politicians on both sides will be history before anything has been sorted out. Look at the celebs who want in: Bono- foreign national, non domicile, Geldof- foreign national non domicile, Beckham non domicile. They don't pay tax here, notice a pattern? | |||
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"Two weeks ago I was sitting on the fence but I have definitely swayed towards the stay camp. Nothing to do with who want in, more looking at those who want out." 
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"Two weeks ago I was sitting on the fence but I have definitely swayed towards the stay camp. Nothing to do with who want in, more looking at those who want out. Too busy focusing on the individuals and not the policies. All the politicians on both sides will be history before anything has been sorted out. Look at the celebs who want in: Bono- foreign national, non domicile, Geldof- foreign national non domicile, Beckham non domicile. They don't pay tax here, notice a pattern?" The problem is the policies are bloody awful too. All the exit campaign is saying is how we should give less to the world and take more for ourselves. We are the fifth richest nation on earth, it is right that we should give more than we take. MUCH more. We have stripped the world of its riches for generations. It is time we gave back. Let's stop being selfish and let's not burn our bridges. | |||
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"Currency investor George Soros (who made £1b from his exploits on Black Friday) has warned of "serious consequences" for British jobs and finances if the country leaves the EU. Writing in the Guardian, he said sterling would "decline precipitously" if the Leave camp won Thursday's vote. This is the view from a guy who makes a living from manipulating the markets. " You are rather cherry picking your pundits there aren't you? | |||
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"Currency investor George Soros (who made £1b from his exploits on Black Friday) has warned of "serious consequences" for British jobs and finances if the country leaves the EU. Writing in the Guardian, he said sterling would "decline precipitously" if the Leave camp won Thursday's vote. This is the view from a guy who makes a living from manipulating the markets. You are rather cherry picking your pundits there aren't you?" Beckham and Soros...........probably! It was Black Wednesday!! | |||
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"What bridges are being burned? We are discussing leaving what started out as a trade agreement and has become an industrial oligarchy imposing laws on us with no comeback. That is not what we originally signed up for. Staying in the EU means we will be compelled To sign up to TTIP which gives multinational corporations the power of veto over our own government and sovereign laws. I personally don't give a fuck who is campaigning, it is what they are campaigning for that matters. Stick to the policies, the consequences will live with us long after the campaigners are gone. " TTIP has not even been agreed yet and there is even more opposition to it in Germany and France etc. than in the UK. Also remember we have a veto on new laws. Also remember that the European Parliament is more democratic than the UK parliament and also remember that working closely with our neighbours is always a better idea than isolationist politics. Where did isolationism get Europe over the past 1000 years? The world is becoming smaller and working closely together. Leaving the EU is heading in the wrong direction. Please don't fuck the country up and then die off as all the old folks take the country into a hole and die and leave it to the young who wanted to remain anyway. | |||
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"Of corse all the rich folks want to stay in that's how they make thier money LoL" Thankfuly not all rich people though. | |||
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"Two weeks ago I was sitting on the fence but I have definitely swayed towards the stay camp. Nothing to do with who want in, more looking at those who want out. Too busy focusing on the individuals and not the policies. All the politicians on both sides will be history before anything has been sorted out. Look at the celebs who want in: Bono- foreign national, non domicile, Geldof- foreign national non domicile, Beckham non domicile. They don't pay tax here, notice a pattern?" Not at all. But the arguments for remain are far stronger than the leave camp are able to present. What will happen if we leave? No one can say for sure. | |||
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"Who's paid him to say that! He would probably say whatever anyone said to him" Maybe his wife told him to. Hes a nice enough guy who means well though.  | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done." The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist | |||
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" TTIP has not even been agreed yet and there is even more opposition to it in Germany and France etc. than in the UK. Also remember we have a veto on new laws. " this.. | |||
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"Becks back remain.............is that the fatal blow to the Brexiters?" Absolutely! Anyone with credibility will wait so see what the Beckhams are doing before making any major decisions! I'm still waiting for them to get back to me on which guys on here I should shag! Xx | |||
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" TTIP has not even been agreed yet and there is even more opposition to it in Germany and France etc. than in the UK. Also remember we have a veto on new laws. this.. " What veto do we have when EU parliament tells us what to do and EU commissioners have the final say? EU law prevents us from protecting what is left of our steel industry. How do we veto that? | |||
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"Becks back remain.............is that the fatal blow to the Brexiters? Absolutely! Anyone with credibility will wait so see what the Beckhams are doing before making any major decisions! I'm still waiting for them to get back to me on which guys on here I should shag! Xx" O er missus | |||
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" TTIP has not even been agreed yet and there is even more opposition to it in Germany and France etc. than in the UK. Also remember we have a veto on new laws. this.. What veto do we have when EU parliament tells us what to do and EU commissioners have the final say? EU law prevents us from protecting what is left of our steel industry. How do we veto that?" If you are referring to state aid rules then you are completely wrong. The EU state aid rules are primarily to provide competition amongst member states for public contracts. If a government wants to subsidise a section of industry then it is free to do so by nationalising that industry. This government chose not to. | |||
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" TTIP has not even been agreed yet and there is even more opposition to it in Germany and France etc. than in the UK. Also remember we have a veto on new laws. this.. What veto do we have when EU parliament tells us what to do and EU commissioners have the final say? EU law prevents us from protecting what is left of our steel industry. How do we veto that?" All of what you said in that post is wrong. We get to make the EU laws and we can veto them if we want to. Once they are passed they are binding. Obviously. That is how laws work. We could have protected our steel industry but the government don't believe in protecting industry so they let it die. The comissioners are civil servants. Same as our civil service. It is their job to put into place the laws that the European Parliament creates. These are fairly simple facts and I think it is safe to assume you are wilfully ignoring them to further your political bias. | |||
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"Two weeks ago I was sitting on the fence but I have definitely swayed towards the stay camp. Nothing to do with who want in, more looking at those who want out. Too busy focusing on the individuals and not the policies. All the politicians on both sides will be history before anything has been sorted out. Look at the celebs who want in: Bono- foreign national, non domicile, Geldof- foreign national non domicile, Beckham non domicile. They don't pay tax here, notice a pattern? The problem is the policies are bloody awful too. All the exit campaign is saying is how we should give less to the world and take more for ourselves. We are the fifth richest nation on earth, it is right that we should give more than we take. MUCH more. We have stripped the world of its riches for generations. It is time we gave back. Let's stop being selfish and let's not burn our bridges. " | |||
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" TTIP has not even been agreed yet and there is even more opposition to it in Germany and France etc. than in the UK. Also remember we have a veto on new laws. this.. What veto do we have when EU parliament tells us what to do and EU commissioners have the final say? EU law prevents us from protecting what is left of our steel industry. How do we veto that?" Veto; a constitutional right to reject a decision made by a law making body.. we have a veto on new laws, you know that and therefore we wont be part of TTIP if we veto it.. the steel issue is a separate one, using what has happened there which is more than just an EU issue given the global perspective is diversion from TTIP as it stands at present.. personally i am opposed to TTIP as it stands at present, funny enough with any trade deals etc there is a starting point from each party and negotiations end with a compromise, lets see what it is when its concluded and then if not in our interests use the veto..? | |||
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" TTIP has not even been agreed yet and there is even more opposition to it in Germany and France etc. than in the UK. Also remember we have a veto on new laws. this.. What veto do we have when EU parliament tells us what to do and EU commissioners have the final say? EU law prevents us from protecting what is left of our steel industry. How do we veto that? All of what you said in that post is wrong. We get to make the EU laws and we can veto them if we want to. Once they are passed they are binding. Obviously. That is how laws work. We could have protected our steel industry but the government don't believe in protecting industry so they let it die. The comissioners are civil servants. Same as our civil service. It is their job to put into place the laws that the European Parliament creates. These are fairly simple facts and I think it is safe to assume you are wilfully ignoring them to further your political bias. " Good point well made! In addition we in the UK have a level of government that is the most undemocratic in Europe has a whole and its called the house of Lords. Those who are unelected and sit in government because of their heritage or favour can (and has recently) vetoed the wishes of the house of commons. Now if the vox pop of the UK (or at least more than 30% of them) can be bothered to vote in EU elections you can change the governance. We live in a very undemocratic country a place where Lord Lucan's off spring can claim £300 a day for just turning up to sleep. | |||
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"P Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist " Language of hate , that has caused so many problems in history and this week. I don't care what people vote, let's have a sensible discussion without resorting to this kind of language. Mr.B. | |||
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" TTIP has not even been agreed yet and there is even more opposition to it in Germany and France etc. than in the UK. Also remember we have a veto on new laws. this.. What veto do we have when EU parliament tells us what to do and EU commissioners have the final say? EU law prevents us from protecting what is left of our steel industry. How do we veto that? All of what you said in that post is wrong. We get to make the EU laws and we can veto them if we want to. Once they are passed they are binding. Obviously. That is how laws work. We could have protected our steel industry but the government don't believe in protecting industry so they let it die. The comissioners are civil servants. Same as our civil service. It is their job to put into place the laws that the European Parliament creates. These are fairly simple facts and I think it is safe to assume you are wilfully ignoring them to further your political bias. Good point well made! In addition we in the UK have a level of government that is the most undemocratic in Europe has a whole and its called the house of Lords. Those who are unelected and sit in government because of their heritage or favour can (and has recently) vetoed the wishes of the house of commons. Now if the vox pop of the UK (or at least more than 30% of them) can be bothered to vote in EU elections you can change the governance. We live in a very undemocratic country a place where Lord Lucan's off spring can claim £300 a day for just turning up to sleep." | |||
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" TTIP has not even been agreed yet and there is even more opposition to it in Germany and France etc. than in the UK. Also remember we have a veto on new laws. this.. What veto do we have when EU parliament tells us what to do and EU commissioners have the final say? EU law prevents us from protecting what is left of our steel industry. How do we veto that? All of what you said in that post is wrong. We get to make the EU laws and we can veto them if we want to. Once they are passed they are binding. Obviously. That is how laws work. We could have protected our steel industry but the government don't believe in protecting industry so they let it die. The comissioners are civil servants. Same as our civil service. It is their job to put into place the laws that the European Parliament creates. These are fairly simple facts and I think it is safe to assume you are wilfully ignoring them to further your political bias. Good point well made! In addition we in the UK have a level of government that is the most undemocratic in Europe has a whole and its called the house of Lords. Those who are unelected and sit in government because of their heritage or favour can (and has recently) vetoed the wishes of the house of commons. Now if the vox pop of the UK (or at least more than 30% of them) can be bothered to vote in EU elections you can change the governance. We live in a very undemocratic country a place where Lord Lucan's off spring can claim £300 a day for just turning up to sleep." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/predictions/politics/11455843/Shh-There-lords-a-sleeping.html Democracy in action! | |||
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"House of Lords long overdue total reform. Fiefdom of the labour and tory parties that is a stain on democracy "agreed.. its the sort of anti democratic oversight that many on Brexit seem happy to ignore and to continue.. strangely ironic.. | |||
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"P Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Language of hate , that has caused so many problems in history and this week. I don't care what people vote, let's have a sensible discussion without resorting to this kind of language. Mr.B." Trust me there is no hate. Don't dismiss a perfectly good point with your dismissive language. This issue needs to be addressed. Part of the out campaign showed their true colours earlier in the week with an utterly disgraceful poster which was all but identical to a nazi propaganda film in the 40s. We need to front up and confront this racist element in the discussion because it is dangerous and it is trying to lead us down a path that really doesn't bear thinking about. Remember, Germans were not racists and anti Semites in the 30s and 40s, they were very gently led down that path by closet racists and anti Semites. This happened because no one was able to call them out and show them for what they are. Do not ever let us make these mistakes again. Unless you would like that sort of world. | |||
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"House of Lords long overdue total reform. Fiefdom of the labour and tory parties that is a stain on democracy
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its the sort of anti democratic oversight that many on Brexit seem happy to ignore and to continue..
strangely ironic.."Academic argument when laws are imposed from Brussels. You want to form, vote for Brexit first | |||
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"House of Lords long overdue total reform. Fiefdom of the labour and tory parties that is a stain on democracy
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strangely ironic..
Academic argument when laws are imposed from Brussels.
You want to form, vote for Brexit first"Should say reform | |||
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"House of Lords long overdue total reform. Fiefdom of the labour and tory parties that is a stain on democracy
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You want to form, vote for Brexit first"UKIP loves to blame EU for matters that are a Westminster problem  | |||
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"The British government are banned from subsidising the steer industry under EU law FACT. TTIP is similar to the NAFTA. Agreement which saw the Canadian government sued by the oil companies when they tried to remove a harmful additive from gasoline. The oil companies won and the additive is still there. EU commissioners have the last say, not Westminster. " And the Lords have the last say in the UK are you content with that? Here are some of the ways that other EU governments have intervened to support their domestic steel industries, and other energy intensive industries. There are also examples of regional governments taking initiatives in Germany and Spain. (Temporary) Renationalisation Investment in strategic R&D facilities Support for energy efficiency/environmental technologies Loan guarantees Compensation for energy costs Using the powers of the official receiver to support employment & attracting buyers for troubled plants There are numerous ways to help industries in trouble this government is a slave to market forces! | |||
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" ......Staying in the EU means we will be compelled To sign up to TTIP which gives multinational corporations the power of veto over our own government and sovereign laws...... " Completely and utterly untrue; UK wanted to sign up to such a deal with no power of national government ; It was the EU which refused to accept that ; and which put in place a number of safeguards ; under the EU model of TTIP; Individual governments may nominate any National resource or organisation which they wish to ring fence and/ or exclude from TTIP; The EU has also demanded that all TTIP transactions are to be transparent , and that any challenges, or mediations must be open and available. And specifically prevents "vetos" by the commercial companies, and introduces a veto by governments. The U.K. Version was to allow all transactions and disputes to be " dealt with" without external scrutiny, and not to allow exclusions. The EU placed those safeguards; the UK was unable to negotiate this. | |||
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"The British government are banned from subsidising the steer industry under EU law FACT. TTIP is similar to the NAFTA. Agreement which saw the Canadian government sued by the oil companies when they tried to remove a harmful additive from gasoline. The oil companies won and the additive is still there. EU commissioners have the last say, not Westminster. " There are other ways to help an industry other than subsidies, The industries elsewhere in Europe were nationalised and they are nice and resilient. Our government don't believe in nationalising because then people cannot make fucking vast pots of cash. Westminster can veto any law it wants. However it does not want to veto stuff which would be in our best interest because Westminster does not act in our best interest. It acts in its own best interest. EU comissioners do not have any say. They are civil servants. These lies keep being repeated. Despite the truth being available. Why is this? What are you guys actually trying to do? What is the real reason you insist on peddling lies and untruths? | |||
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You want to form, vote for Brexit first"Why do you insist on keeping going with these lies? What is your real reason for wanting Brexit that you are afraid to talk about? These things have been shown repeatedly to be untrue, you are either incapable of basic comprehension or there are other reasons for perpetuating these myths which you are afraid to speak about in this forum. | |||
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"The British government are banned from subsidising the steer industry under EU law FACT. " And conveniently forgotten is that the EU tried to put on several measures to protect European Steel ( all of it, including the UK Steel industry) from global Steel ( specifically Chinese and Indian steel). And those measures were torpedoed and had to be dropped. By...... ah yes, the UK government . | |||
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"House of Lords long overdue total reform. Fiefdom of the labour and tory parties that is a stain on democracy "I used to be all for that. But seeing how it was able to block a few Tory policies that would have hurt some of the poorest I've decided it should stay for the next 4 years. | |||
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"The British government are banned from subsidising the steer industry under EU law FACT. And conveniently forgotten is that the EU tried to put on several measures to protect European Steel ( all of it, including the UK Steel industry) from global Steel ( specifically Chinese and Indian steel). And those measures were torpedoed and had to be dropped. By...... ah yes, the UK government . " Fucking Europe, cannot stand up to national governments. What a load of Rubbish. It should be able to push its will on governments so that we can have a good moan and complain that it is imposing its will on us. Circular logic par excellence. | |||
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"The British government are banned from subsidising the steer industry under EU law FACT. And conveniently forgotten is that the EU tried to put on several measures to protect European Steel ( all of it, including the UK Steel industry) from global Steel ( specifically Chinese and Indian steel). And those measures were torpedoed and had to be dropped. By...... ah yes, the UK government . " Well said that man! | |||
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"House of Lords long overdue total reform. Fiefdom of the labour and tory parties that is a stain on democracy
I used to be all for that. But seeing how it was able to block a few Tory policies that would have hurt some of the poorest I've decided it should stay for the next 4 years.
"It is a sad indictment on the state of our government that we need a bunch of unelected elites to stand up for the poor over the elected representatives. Fucking crazy situation. | |||
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" In addition we in the UK have a level of government that is the most undemocratic in Europe has a whole and its called the house of Lords. Those who are unelected and sit in government because of their heritage or favour can (and has recently) vetoed the wishes of the house of commons." You forget to mention that the house of commons can overturn the house of Lords. Often the veto the Lords use helps moderate the commons for things like down grading pay and conditions for people like teachers and nurses... | |||
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"The British government are banned from subsidising the steer industry under EU law FACT. And conveniently forgotten is that the EU tried to put on several measures to protect European Steel ( all of it, including the UK Steel industry) from global Steel ( specifically Chinese and Indian steel). And those measures were torpedoed and had to be dropped. By...... ah yes, the UK government . " Because of our trade deals with China. They came at a cost and that cost was British steel. When Brexiters say they want out of the EU to trade with emerging economies they really have no idea what we're up against. | |||
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" In addition we in the UK have a level of government that is the most undemocratic in Europe has a whole and its called the house of Lords. Those who are unelected and sit in government because of their heritage or favour can (and has recently) vetoed the wishes of the house of commons. You forget to mention that the house of commons can overturn the house of Lords. Often the veto the Lords use helps moderate the commons for things like down grading pay and conditions for people like teachers and nurses... " It does not wholly overturn the lords. Trust me, if it could have done recently it would have done. George (Gideon) Osborne has been thwarted frequently and is absolutely livid with the lords but he can do nothing. | |||
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"P Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Language of hate , that has caused so many problems in history and this week. I don't care what people vote, let's have a sensible discussion without resorting to this kind of language. Mr.B. Trust me there is no hate. Don't dismiss a perfectly good point with your dismissive language. This issue needs to be addressed. Part of the out campaign showed their true colours earlier in the week with an utterly disgraceful poster which was all but identical to a nazi propaganda film in the 40s. We need to front up and confront this racist element in the discussion because it is dangerous and it is trying to lead us down a path that really doesn't bear thinking about. Remember, Germans were not racists and anti Semites in the 30s and 40s, they were very gently led down that path by closet racists and anti Semites. This happened because no one was able to call them out and show them for what they are. Do not ever let us make these mistakes again. Unless you would like that sort of world." Your post has the implication of racism and going down the path of nazi Germany on Leave supporters. I'm sure an element of them may well be racist, but using that language on what could be 50% of the population is extremely rash. Both sides have started flinging ridiculous statements about. Leave campaigners bringing up the war and nazi Germany are equally mis-guided. Mr.B. | |||
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"P Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Language of hate , that has caused so many problems in history and this week. I don't care what people vote, let's have a sensible discussion without resorting to this kind of language. Mr.B. Trust me there is no hate. Don't dismiss a perfectly good point with your dismissive language. This issue needs to be addressed. Part of the out campaign showed their true colours earlier in the week with an utterly disgraceful poster which was all but identical to a nazi propaganda film in the 40s. We need to front up and confront this racist element in the discussion because it is dangerous and it is trying to lead us down a path that really doesn't bear thinking about. Remember, Germans were not racists and anti Semites in the 30s and 40s, they were very gently led down that path by closet racists and anti Semites. This happened because no one was able to call them out and show them for what they are. Do not ever let us make these mistakes again. Unless you would like that sort of world. Your post has the implication of racism and going down the path of nazi Germany on Leave supporters. I'm sure an element of them may well be racist, but using that language on what could be 50% of the population is extremely rash. Both sides have started flinging ridiculous statements about. Leave campaigners bringing up the war and nazi Germany are equally mis-guided. Mr.B." No my post does not do that. Only if you ignore most of what i have said and pick one particular part does it say that. You need all of the writing for it to make sense. If you don't like people talking about these comparisons, then stop the Brexit campaign from using Nazi propaganda in its fucking campaign. Trust me, I did not want to bring up the subject of nazi Germany. Having German heritage it gives me no pleasure. But we must, when confronted with such fucking evil shit, stand up and point at it and call it for what it is. The argument that saying such things is wrong because is unpleasant is moronic. If you do something fucking awful, then you need to expect people to tell you what you are doing is fucking awful. If you saw someone getting beaten up and they were screaming, would you tell them to keep the noise down or would you stop the disgraceful act which was causing them to scream? At the moment you are telling them to keep their voices down. Grow a pair and call out racist filth. | |||
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" TTIP has not even been agreed yet and there is even more opposition to it in Germany and France etc. than in the UK. Also remember we have a veto on new laws. this.. What veto do we have when EU parliament tells us what to do and EU commissioners have the final say? EU law prevents us from protecting what is left of our steel industry. How do we veto that?" And that's just one example, the EU stops any form of nationalisation of our industries or services | |||
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" In addition we in the UK have a level of government that is the most undemocratic in Europe has a whole and its called the house of Lords. Those who are unelected and sit in government because of their heritage or favour can (and has recently) vetoed the wishes of the house of commons. You forget to mention that the house of commons can overturn the house of Lords. Often the veto the Lords use helps moderate the commons for things like down grading pay and conditions for people like teachers and nurses... " If you are referring to the Parliament Acts then the right of veto is slightly watered down and delaying tactics reduced to one year. My view is that a bunch on unelected free loaders have no right to interfere with the democratic process. A second chamber with the task of ameliorating the government has to be elected does it not? | |||
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" TTIP has not even been agreed yet and there is even more opposition to it in Germany and France etc. than in the UK. Also remember we have a veto on new laws. this.. What veto do we have when EU parliament tells us what to do and EU commissioners have the final say? EU law prevents us from protecting what is left of our steel industry. How do we veto that? And that's just one example, the EU stops any form of nationalisation of our industries or services " No it doesn't. Our European neighbours have nationalised plenty in the time the EU has been around. We just choose not to because we much prefer individuals to make huge profit over providing a good service and employment rights. Please stop spreading lies. There are plenty of them going around at the moment. We need truth not bias and lies. | |||
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" TTIP has not even been agreed yet and there is even more opposition to it in Germany and France etc. than in the UK. Also remember we have a veto on new laws. this.. What veto do we have when EU parliament tells us what to do and EU commissioners have the final say? EU law prevents us from protecting what is left of our steel industry. How do we veto that? And that's just one example, the EU stops any form of nationalisation of our industries or services " See above | |||
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" TTIP has not even been agreed yet and there is even more opposition to it in Germany and France etc. than in the UK. Also remember we have a veto on new laws. this.. What veto do we have when EU parliament tells us what to do and EU commissioners have the final say? EU law prevents us from protecting what is left of our steel industry. How do we veto that? And that's just one example, the EU stops any form of nationalisation of our industries or services " In 2013 French president Hollande threatened to nationalise Arcelor Mittal steel’s operations in the Lorraine plateau in order to save the blast furnaces of Florange and their 2,500 jobs. He didn’t seem to be particularly concerned about any EU state-aid rules. Ironically, Hollande’s threat was denounced by Boris Johnson – now a leading light of the Brexit campaign. | |||
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"I just get a feeling that Brexiters seem to think that all this countries ailments stem from membership of the EU. Additionally there is a bunker like attitude to the wider Europe even the world. In times of globalisation is not better to be part of it rather that trying to sulk in some form of post empire melancholy?" What worries me is that when their arguments are proven to be incorrect, they don't change their mind. This suggests there are other reasons they want to leave the EU but are scared to say them in public. | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done. The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist " Racist? Lol Whose idea was it in the first place to get rid of the 'clutter' of small nations in Europe and create one federal superstate? Can you guess? And have you heard of a man called Walther Funk and what his ideas were? | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done. The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Racist? Lol Whose idea was it in the first place to get rid of the 'clutter' of small nations in Europe and create one federal superstate? Can you guess? And have you heard of a man called Walther Funk and what his ideas were?" It is not really relevant. My point is that the argument we are being fed about immigrants is becoming very very similar to the arguments given by your beloved Funk and others. We are echoing directly nazi anti foreigner propaganda, we are blaming foreign types for all the nations ills and when this is called out for what it is, we get told to stop making a fuss. Batshit crazy. | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done. The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Racist? Lol Whose idea was it in the first place to get rid of the 'clutter' of small nations in Europe and create one federal superstate? Can you guess? And have you heard of a man called Walther Funk and what his ideas were? It is not really relevant. My point is that the argument we are being fed about immigrants is becoming very very similar to the arguments given by your beloved Funk and others. We are echoing directly nazi anti foreigner propaganda, we are blaming foreign types for all the nations ills and when this is called out for what it is, we get told to stop making a fuss. Batshit crazy." Funk was a nazi who thought an EU was a good idea. My beloved Funk? I think he's yours | |||
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"House of Lords long overdue total reform. Fiefdom of the labour and tory parties that is a stain on democracy
I used to be all for that. But seeing how it was able to block a few Tory policies that would have hurt some of the poorest I've decided it should stay for the next 4 years.
It is a sad indictment on the state of our government that we need a bunch of unelected elites to stand up for the poor over the elected representatives. Fucking crazy situation."this.. some of the biggest critics against the tories and their ideology are now fully behind them as they are now 'brexit', if they achieve that aim and take over the leadership of the tory party they will still be the same old nasty side of the Tory party.. and will have carte blanche, and a mandate to carry on and go further.. | |||
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"So, to sum up: The EU is Nazi-Communist-Neo Liberal racist superstate which lets too many immigrants in? Gotcha "The U.K. Could be called the same thing. | |||
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The U.K. Could be called the same thing."That said had the UK stopped any immigrants about 250000 years ago the place would be a lot better now. It is good that we have drawn an aribtrary line as to when immigrants are unacceptable and when they were fine. | |||
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"Is now a bad or good time to mention Arabella Arkwright? Why did she need to step down? Her retweets were skimmed-milk-Farage. "a sort of bigot 'light'.. bit like a diet but without the added sweeteners.. | |||
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The U.K. Could be called the same thing.
That said had the UK stopped any immigrants about 250000 years ago the place would be a lot better now.
It is good that we have drawn an aribtrary line as to when immigrants are unacceptable and when they were fine."who has ever said immigrants are unacceptable?  | |||
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That said had the UK stopped any immigrants about 250000 years ago the place would be a lot better now.
It is good that we have drawn an aribtrary line as to when immigrants are unacceptable and when they were fine.
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That said had the UK stopped any immigrants about 250000 years ago the place would be a lot better now.
It is good that we have drawn an aribtrary line as to when immigrants are unacceptable and when they were fine.
who has ever said immigrants are unacceptable? "well the far right certainly have a view but that's not suggesting all think that way.. most of the people opposed to immigration will be ok with the nice white immigrants, Australians, Kiwi's etc but have an issue with none white immigrants and that no surprise.. is it a fear thing perhaps? other's will be totally against anyone else coming here, regardless of what skills they can bring.. its all a bit of a mystery given most of us are pretty much mongrels.. | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done. The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Racist? Lol Whose idea was it in the first place to get rid of the 'clutter' of small nations in Europe and create one federal superstate? Can you guess? And have you heard of a man called Walther Funk and what his ideas were? It is not really relevant. My point is that the argument we are being fed about immigrants is becoming very very similar to the arguments given by your beloved Funk and others. We are echoing directly nazi anti foreigner propaganda, we are blaming foreign types for all the nations ills and when this is called out for what it is, we get told to stop making a fuss. Batshit crazy. Funk was a nazi who thought an EU was a good idea. My beloved Funk? I think he's yours" Hitler also have a keen interested in a united Europe but for quite different reasons! | |||
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" In addition we in the UK have a level of government that is the most undemocratic in Europe has a whole and its called the house of Lords. Those who are unelected and sit in government because of their heritage or favour can (and has recently) vetoed the wishes of the house of commons. You forget to mention that the house of commons can overturn the house of Lords. Often the veto the Lords use helps moderate the commons for things like down grading pay and conditions for people like teachers and nurses... If you are referring to the Parliament Acts then the right of veto is slightly watered down and delaying tactics reduced to one year. My view is that a bunch on unelected free loaders have no right to interfere with the democratic process. A second chamber with the task of ameliorating the government has to be elected does it not?" Having dealt with MP's and Lords, I would put my trust in more hereditary Lords than I would MP's and their hand picked pseudo Lords... | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done. The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Racist? Lol Whose idea was it in the first place to get rid of the 'clutter' of small nations in Europe and create one federal superstate? Can you guess? And have you heard of a man called Walther Funk and what his ideas were? It is not really relevant. My point is that the argument we are being fed about immigrants is becoming very very similar to the arguments given by your beloved Funk and others. We are echoing directly nazi anti foreigner propaganda, we are blaming foreign types for all the nations ills and when this is called out for what it is, we get told to stop making a fuss. Batshit crazy. Funk was a nazi who thought an EU was a good idea. My beloved Funk? I think he's yours Hitler also have a keen interested in a united Europe but for quite different reasons!" And your point is? Because someone who thought bad things also thought of something else does not automatically mean it is a bad idea. You are just trying to tarnish by association. I assume he also liked beer being a German, does that mean Beer should be shunned by the Uk? Presumably he got most of his oxygen through respiration, does that mean we need to find another way as we are using Nazi methods to provide oxygen to our blood. Let's answer the questions, not just try to tarnish the arguments. | |||
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"I think most people agree that immigration of skilled people is a good thing but how many car washes do we really need ? " If there are too many then some close down. How does it harm you if people set up a car wash business? If they can make enough money to live and still it is preferable to being in another country, what is it to you or me? They are paying tax. It is unequivocally understood that immigrants pay more into the country than they take out. Therefore our public services are richer for having them here. | |||
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"I think most people agree that immigration of skilled people is a good thing but how many car washes do we really need ? " yet another first world problem in having a choice where one gets ones wheel's washed.. | |||
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"Currency investor George Soros (who made £1b from his exploits on Black Friday) has warned of "serious consequences" for British jobs and finances if the country leaves the EU. Writing in the Guardian, he said sterling would "decline precipitously" if the Leave camp won Thursday's vote. This is the view from a guy who makes a living from manipulating the markets. " He is just scaremongering. What does he know? Michael Gove and Nigel Farage know far more about the currency markets than George Soros. | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done. The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Racist? Lol Whose idea was it in the first place to get rid of the 'clutter' of small nations in Europe and create one federal superstate? Can you guess? And have you heard of a man called Walther Funk and what his ideas were? It is not really relevant. My point is that the argument we are being fed about immigrants is becoming very very similar to the arguments given by your beloved Funk and others. We are echoing directly nazi anti foreigner propaganda, we are blaming foreign types for all the nations ills and when this is called out for what it is, we get told to stop making a fuss. Batshit crazy. Funk was a nazi who thought an EU was a good idea. My beloved Funk? I think he's yours Hitler also have a keen interested in a united Europe but for quite different reasons! And your point is? Because someone who thought bad things also thought of something else does not automatically mean it is a bad idea. You are just trying to tarnish by association. I assume he also liked beer being a German, does that mean Beer should be shunned by the Uk? Presumably he got most of his oxygen through respiration, does that mean we need to find another way as we are using Nazi methods to provide oxygen to our blood. Let's answer the questions, not just try to tarnish the arguments." you tarnished the argument by implying that anyone who wants to leave is a 'fucking racist'! | |||
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"Currency investor George Soros (who made £1b from his exploits on Black Friday) has warned of "serious consequences" for British jobs and finances if the country leaves the EU. Writing in the Guardian, he said sterling would "decline precipitously" if the Leave camp won Thursday's vote. This is the view from a guy who makes a living from manipulating the markets. He is just scaremongering. What does he know? Michael Gove and Nigel Farage know far more about the currency markets than George Soros. "He made a billion ponds from it so I think he may know! | |||
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"The referendum is far too important to base a vote on who you like or dislike ffs!.. I voted out based on weighing up options.. If you decided to vote remain then fine.. But not because you like cameron's tie, beckham's aftershave or because tiddles the cat meaws when farrage is on telly!" my dog tends to growl whenever Farage is on the telly.. i just put it down to having trained him well to recognise prey.. | |||
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"I think most people agree that immigration of skilled people is a good thing but how many car washes do we really need ? If there are too many then some close down. How does it harm you if people set up a car wash business? If they can make enough money to live and still it is preferable to being in another country, what is it to you or me? They are paying tax. It is unequivocally understood that immigrants pay more into the country than they take out. Therefore our public services are richer for having them here. " Not all pay tax as they will earn upto the tax threshold and no more and yes I do know from xperience. | |||
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"The referendum is far too important to base a vote on who you like or dislike ffs!.. I voted out based on weighing up options.. If you decided to vote remain then fine.. But not because you like cameron's tie, beckham's aftershave or because tiddles the cat meaws when farrage is on telly! my dog tends to growl whenever Farage is on the telly.. i just put it down to having trained him well to recognise prey.. " Ha! He might be territorial with other dogs! | |||
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"The referendum is far too important to base a vote on who you like or dislike ffs!.. I voted out based on weighing up options.. If you decided to vote remain then fine.. But not because you like cameron's tie, beckham's aftershave or because tiddles the cat meaws when farrage is on telly! my dog tends to growl whenever Farage is on the telly.. i just put it down to having trained him well to recognise prey.. Ha! He might be territorial with other dogs! "taught him to 'guard', well bark a bit when pesky callers knock on the door.. worked well last month ish when the local Tories came a calling.. till he gave them a lick.. | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done. The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Racist? Lol Whose idea was it in the first place to get rid of the 'clutter' of small nations in Europe and create one federal superstate? Can you guess? And have you heard of a man called Walther Funk and what his ideas were? It is not really relevant. My point is that the argument we are being fed about immigrants is becoming very very similar to the arguments given by your beloved Funk and others. We are echoing directly nazi anti foreigner propaganda, we are blaming foreign types for all the nations ills and when this is called out for what it is, we get told to stop making a fuss. Batshit crazy. Funk was a nazi who thought an EU was a good idea. My beloved Funk? I think he's yours Hitler also have a keen interested in a united Europe but for quite different reasons! And your point is? Because someone who thought bad things also thought of something else does not automatically mean it is a bad idea. You are just trying to tarnish by association. I assume he also liked beer being a German, does that mean Beer should be shunned by the Uk? Presumably he got most of his oxygen through respiration, does that mean we need to find another way as we are using Nazi methods to provide oxygen to our blood. Let's answer the questions, not just try to tarnish the arguments. you tarnished the argument by implying that anyone who wants to leave is a 'fucking racist'!" Where did I imply that?? Do you actually read anything or just look for individual words and react to them? One of the arguments which is used for exiting the EU is profoundly racist. The others aren't. But the one which is needs to be mentioned too. At no point did I say everyone adheres to all the arguments nor did I say that all arguments apply equally. For the love of fuck please stop this teenage level of discourse, start responding to questions and stop just looking for the merest thing you can take the hump at to try and dismiss arguments you have otherwise no answer for. | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done. The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Racist? Lol Whose idea was it in the first place to get rid of the 'clutter' of small nations in Europe and create one federal superstate? Can you guess? And have you heard of a man called Walther Funk and what his ideas were? It is not really relevant. My point is that the argument we are being fed about immigrants is becoming very very similar to the arguments given by your beloved Funk and others. We are echoing directly nazi anti foreigner propaganda, we are blaming foreign types for all the nations ills and when this is called out for what it is, we get told to stop making a fuss. Batshit crazy. Funk was a nazi who thought an EU was a good idea. My beloved Funk? I think he's yours Hitler also have a keen interested in a united Europe but for quite different reasons! And your point is? Because someone who thought bad things also thought of something else does not automatically mean it is a bad idea. You are just trying to tarnish by association. I assume he also liked beer being a German, does that mean Beer should be shunned by the Uk? Presumably he got most of his oxygen through respiration, does that mean we need to find another way as we are using Nazi methods to provide oxygen to our blood. Let's answer the questions, not just try to tarnish the arguments. you tarnished the argument by implying that anyone who wants to leave is a 'fucking racist'! Where did I imply that?? Do you actually read anything or just look for individual words and react to them? One of the arguments which is used for exiting the EU is profoundly racist. The others aren't. But the one which is needs to be mentioned too. At no point did I say everyone adheres to all the arguments nor did I say that all arguments apply equally. For the love of fuck please stop this teenage level of discourse, start responding to questions and stop just looking for the merest thing you can take the hump at to try and dismiss arguments you have otherwise no answer for." this.. deflection i think its called.. maybe with some on both sides its an easier option but it certainly doesn't add to the debate.. | |||
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"Well fuck me...if Beckhams staying I'm definitely staying after all Im in awe of that man's political and financial background. How daft of me to think he was just a hot talented guy that has been used to market products and influence opinions for years...whilst his brand is peddled throughout Europe.. Is this for fucking real...Beckham!!!! " Is he not allowed to have an opinion? I highly doubt anyone will be swayed by him but he can give his opinion like everyone else, for fucking real. | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done. The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Racist? Lol Whose idea was it in the first place to get rid of the 'clutter' of small nations in Europe and create one federal superstate? Can you guess? And have you heard of a man called Walther Funk and what his ideas were? It is not really relevant. My point is that the argument we are being fed about immigrants is becoming very very similar to the arguments given by your beloved Funk and others. We are echoing directly nazi anti foreigner propaganda, we are blaming foreign types for all the nations ills and when this is called out for what it is, we get told to stop making a fuss. Batshit crazy. Funk was a nazi who thought an EU was a good idea. My beloved Funk? I think he's yours Hitler also have a keen interested in a united Europe but for quite different reasons! And your point is? Because someone who thought bad things also thought of something else does not automatically mean it is a bad idea. You are just trying to tarnish by association. I assume he also liked beer being a German, does that mean Beer should be shunned by the Uk? Presumably he got most of his oxygen through respiration, does that mean we need to find another way as we are using Nazi methods to provide oxygen to our blood. Let's answer the questions, not just try to tarnish the arguments. you tarnished the argument by implying that anyone who wants to leave is a 'fucking racist'! Where did I imply that?? Do you actually read anything or just look for individual words and react to them? One of the arguments which is used for exiting the EU is profoundly racist. The others aren't. But the one which is needs to be mentioned too. At no point did I say everyone adheres to all the arguments nor did I say that all arguments apply equally. For the love of fuck please stop this teenage level of discourse, start responding to questions and stop just looking for the merest thing you can take the hump at to try and dismiss arguments you have otherwise no answer for. I have read it, have you? So which reason for wanting to leave the EU is profoundly racist?" Yes, I have read it. I wrote it. The reason that many people in the uk do not like foreign types. It is simple, very very basic and has been a part of the psyche of the country for centuries. It is pathetic, out of date and not fit for the 21st century. Some people also don't like seeing foreign people in their country because they think it dilutes "Britishness" which is as ridiculous as it sounds. Other people simply don't like people with different coloured skin. Pathetic but true. A lot of this add us up to an isolationist agenda whereby many people think that Britain is tarnished by association with these foreign johnnies and we are really better off keeping ourselves to ourselves. Maybe occasionally invading some savages to teach them a thing or two about civilisation. Yes these things are all utterly pathetic, but they are prevalent and rife. We have sadly got the country into the dangerous position where these thoughts are seldom aired publicly so we lose sight of it. But they still exist. Not in my fucking name will we act on such outdated pathetic small mindedness. | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done. The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Racist? Lol Whose idea was it in the first place to get rid of the 'clutter' of small nations in Europe and create one federal superstate? Can you guess? And have you heard of a man called Walther Funk and what his ideas were? It is not really relevant. My point is that the argument we are being fed about immigrants is becoming very very similar to the arguments given by your beloved Funk and others. We are echoing directly nazi anti foreigner propaganda, we are blaming foreign types for all the nations ills and when this is called out for what it is, we get told to stop making a fuss. Batshit crazy. Funk was a nazi who thought an EU was a good idea. My beloved Funk? I think he's yours Hitler also have a keen interested in a united Europe but for quite different reasons! And your point is? Because someone who thought bad things also thought of something else does not automatically mean it is a bad idea. You are just trying to tarnish by association. I assume he also liked beer being a German, does that mean Beer should be shunned by the Uk? Presumably he got most of his oxygen through respiration, does that mean we need to find another way as we are using Nazi methods to provide oxygen to our blood. Let's answer the questions, not just try to tarnish the arguments. you tarnished the argument by implying that anyone who wants to leave is a 'fucking racist'! Where did I imply that?? Do you actually read anything or just look for individual words and react to them? One of the arguments which is used for exiting the EU is profoundly racist. The others aren't. But the one which is needs to be mentioned too. At no point did I say everyone adheres to all the arguments nor did I say that all arguments apply equally. For the love of fuck please stop this teenage level of discourse, start responding to questions and stop just looking for the merest thing you can take the hump at to try and dismiss arguments you have otherwise no answer for. I have read it, have you? So which reason for wanting to leave the EU is profoundly racist? Yes, I have read it. I wrote it. The reason that many people in the uk do not like foreign types. It is simple, very very basic and has been a part of the psyche of the country for centuries. It is pathetic, out of date and not fit for the 21st century. Some people also don't like seeing foreign people in their country because they think it dilutes "Britishness" which is as ridiculous as it sounds. Other people simply don't like people with different coloured skin. Pathetic but true. A lot of this add us up to an isolationist agenda whereby many people think that Britain is tarnished by association with these foreign johnnies and we are really better off keeping ourselves to ourselves. Maybe occasionally invading some savages to teach them a thing or two about civilisation. Yes these things are all utterly pathetic, but they are prevalent and rife. We have sadly got the country into the dangerous position where these thoughts are seldom aired publicly so we lose sight of it. But they still exist. Not in my fucking name will we act on such outdated pathetic small mindedness. you are showing yourself up here as being small minded. Do you think that British people think any differently to any other people in Europe? I would say you need to meet more" There are these attitudes all over the world but that does not mean we should succumb to them here. The EU is an organisation designed to ensure that small minded racist insularity does not prevail. It has plenty problems, but the basic premise for it is more valuable than the problems. | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done. The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Racist? Lol Whose idea was it in the first place to get rid of the 'clutter' of small nations in Europe and create one federal superstate? Can you guess? And have you heard of a man called Walther Funk and what his ideas were? It is not really relevant. My point is that the argument we are being fed about immigrants is becoming very very similar to the arguments given by your beloved Funk and others. We are echoing directly nazi anti foreigner propaganda, we are blaming foreign types for all the nations ills and when this is called out for what it is, we get told to stop making a fuss. Batshit crazy. Funk was a nazi who thought an EU was a good idea. My beloved Funk? I think he's yours Hitler also have a keen interested in a united Europe but for quite different reasons! And your point is? Because someone who thought bad things also thought of something else does not automatically mean it is a bad idea. You are just trying to tarnish by association. I assume he also liked beer being a German, does that mean Beer should be shunned by the Uk? Presumably he got most of his oxygen through respiration, does that mean we need to find another way as we are using Nazi methods to provide oxygen to our blood. Let's answer the questions, not just try to tarnish the arguments. you tarnished the argument by implying that anyone who wants to leave is a 'fucking racist'! Where did I imply that?? Do you actually read anything or just look for individual words and react to them? One of the arguments which is used for exiting the EU is profoundly racist. The others aren't. But the one which is needs to be mentioned too. At no point did I say everyone adheres to all the arguments nor did I say that all arguments apply equally. For the love of fuck please stop this teenage level of discourse, start responding to questions and stop just looking for the merest thing you can take the hump at to try and dismiss arguments you have otherwise no answer for. I have read it, have you? So which reason for wanting to leave the EU is profoundly racist? Yes, I have read it. I wrote it. The reason that many people in the uk do not like foreign types. It is simple, very very basic and has been a part of the psyche of the country for centuries. It is pathetic, out of date and not fit for the 21st century. Some people also don't like seeing foreign people in their country because they think it dilutes "Britishness" which is as ridiculous as it sounds. Other people simply don't like people with different coloured skin. Pathetic but true. A lot of this add us up to an isolationist agenda whereby many people think that Britain is tarnished by association with these foreign johnnies and we are really better off keeping ourselves to ourselves. Maybe occasionally invading some savages to teach them a thing or two about civilisation. Yes these things are all utterly pathetic, but they are prevalent and rife. We have sadly got the country into the dangerous position where these thoughts are seldom aired publicly so we lose sight of it. But they still exist. Not in my fucking name will we act on such outdated pathetic small mindedness. you are showing yourself up here as being small minded. Do you think that British people think any differently to any other people in Europe? I would say you need to meet more There are these attitudes all over the world but that does not mean we should succumb to them here. The EU is an organisation designed to ensure that small minded racist insularity does not prevail. It has plenty problems, but the basic premise for it is more valuable than the problems. " can you not see that the EU is racist? | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done. The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Racist? Lol Whose idea was it in the first place to get rid of the 'clutter' of small nations in Europe and create one federal superstate? Can you guess? And have you heard of a man called Walther Funk and what his ideas were? It is not really relevant. My point is that the argument we are being fed about immigrants is becoming very very similar to the arguments given by your beloved Funk and others. We are echoing directly nazi anti foreigner propaganda, we are blaming foreign types for all the nations ills and when this is called out for what it is, we get told to stop making a fuss. Batshit crazy. Funk was a nazi who thought an EU was a good idea. My beloved Funk? I think he's yours Hitler also have a keen interested in a united Europe but for quite different reasons! And your point is? Because someone who thought bad things also thought of something else does not automatically mean it is a bad idea. You are just trying to tarnish by association. I assume he also liked beer being a German, does that mean Beer should be shunned by the Uk? Presumably he got most of his oxygen through respiration, does that mean we need to find another way as we are using Nazi methods to provide oxygen to our blood. Let's answer the questions, not just try to tarnish the arguments. you tarnished the argument by implying that anyone who wants to leave is a 'fucking racist'! Where did I imply that?? Do you actually read anything or just look for individual words and react to them? One of the arguments which is used for exiting the EU is profoundly racist. The others aren't. But the one which is needs to be mentioned too. At no point did I say everyone adheres to all the arguments nor did I say that all arguments apply equally. For the love of fuck please stop this teenage level of discourse, start responding to questions and stop just looking for the merest thing you can take the hump at to try and dismiss arguments you have otherwise no answer for. I have read it, have you? So which reason for wanting to leave the EU is profoundly racist? Yes, I have read it. I wrote it. The reason that many people in the uk do not like foreign types. It is simple, very very basic and has been a part of the psyche of the country for centuries. It is pathetic, out of date and not fit for the 21st century. Some people also don't like seeing foreign people in their country because they think it dilutes "Britishness" which is as ridiculous as it sounds. Other people simply don't like people with different coloured skin. Pathetic but true. A lot of this add us up to an isolationist agenda whereby many people think that Britain is tarnished by association with these foreign johnnies and we are really better off keeping ourselves to ourselves. Maybe occasionally invading some savages to teach them a thing or two about civilisation. Yes these things are all utterly pathetic, but they are prevalent and rife. We have sadly got the country into the dangerous position where these thoughts are seldom aired publicly so we lose sight of it. But they still exist. Not in my fucking name will we act on such outdated pathetic small mindedness. you are showing yourself up here as being small minded. Do you think that British people think any differently to any other people in Europe? I would say you need to meet more There are these attitudes all over the world but that does not mean we should succumb to them here. The EU is an organisation designed to ensure that small minded racist insularity does not prevail. It has plenty problems, but the basic premise for it is more valuable than the problems. can you not see that the EU is racist?" Oh this one is new... No i can't. Do enlighten me. | |||
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"Living in france ,we have a better health system,better roads,better food, cheaper drink,better weather,better education,I won't be going back but the ones that want out are very small minded they actually think that this fallacy 350 million is up for grabs,and that they don't need immigration , just try and live without other countries people and see what happens, best of luck if you go hope you get Boris or ukip and depend on trump for businesses " I love France, lovely country but if things are so wonderful there, how come London is Frances 5th biggest city? | |||
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"Living in france ,we have a better health system,better roads,better food, cheaper drink,better weather,better education,I won't be going back but the ones that want out are very small minded they actually think that this fallacy 350 million is up for grabs,and that they don't need immigration , just try and live without other countries people and see what happens, best of luck if you go hope you get Boris or ukip and depend on trump for businesses I love France, lovely country but if things are so wonderful there, how come London is Frances 5th biggest city?" Because of the channel tunnel and the City's need for skilled employees which you want to restrict and hand the advantage back  | |||
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"so beckam wants to stay in ?? what doe's that have to do with the working class people of this country ?? he has so much money that it don't matter where he lives in the world he wont use the nhs , all his kids are in private education ,never step foot on public transport bet he don't even look at price tags on stuff he buys from food to cars ...so mr beckam should keep his nose out. ill decide on whats best for me and my family ..mainly what affects my daughter ... the in and out camp are both full of idiot's " Only the working classes are allowed an opinion? You have a strange view of democracy. If you do what's best for your family don't be surprised that he does what's best for his. | |||
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"Living in france ,we have a better health system,better roads,better food, cheaper drink,better weather,better education,I won't be going back but the ones that want out are very small minded they actually think that this fallacy 350 million is up for grabs,and that they don't need immigration , just try and live without other countries people and see what happens, best of luck if you go hope you get Boris or ukip and depend on trump for businesses I love France, lovely country but if things are so wonderful there, how come London is Frances 5th biggest city?" That's actually not necessarily true; the figure varies between 50,000 and 300,000. The census quotes 86,000 people with French passports living in London; There may be more who live and work split time between UK and France. Plus the higher figure actually counts French living all over UK , but the figures show London, as they are counted as administered by the French govt office in London. Anyway, it's irrelevant; The majority of French in London/UK are professionals on short to medium term contracts / deployments with their employers. | |||
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"so beckam wants to stay in ?? what doe's that have to do with the working class people of this country ?? he has so much money that it don't matter where he lives in the world he wont use the nhs , all his kids are in private education ,never step foot on public transport bet he don't even look at price tags on stuff he buys from food to cars ...so mr beckam should keep his nose out. ill decide on whats best for me and my family ..mainly what affects my daughter ... the in and out camp are both full of idiot's Only the working classes are allowed an opinion? You have a strange view of democracy. If you do what's best for your family don't be surprised that he does what's best for his. " yep that's right twist away never said he had no rights just saying its different tut | |||
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"so beckam wants to stay in ?? what doe's that have to do with the working class people of this country ?? he has so much money that it don't matter where he lives in the world he wont use the nhs , all his kids are in private education ,never step foot on public transport bet he don't even look at price tags on stuff he buys from food to cars ...so mr beckam should keep his nose out. ill decide on whats best for me and my family ..mainly what affects my daughter ... the in and out camp are both full of idiot's Only the working classes are allowed an opinion? You have a strange view of democracy. If you do what's best for your family don't be surprised that he does what's best for his. yep that's right twist away never said he had no rights just saying its different tut "You said he should keep his nose out! He's every right to give his opinion. | |||
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"Living in france ,we have a better health system,better roads,better food, cheaper drink,better weather,better education,I won't be going back but the ones that want out are very small minded they actually think that this fallacy 350 million is up for grabs,and that they don't need immigration , just try and live without other countries people and see what happens, best of luck if you go hope you get Boris or ukip and depend on trump for businesses I love France, lovely country but if things are so wonderful there, how come London is Frances 5th biggest city? That's actually not necessarily true; the figure varies between 50,000 and 300,000. The census quotes 86,000 people with French passports living in London; There may be more who live and work split time between UK and France. Plus the higher figure actually counts French living all over UK , but the figures show London, as they are counted as administered by the French govt office in London. Anyway, it's irrelevant; The majority of French in London/UK are professionals on short to medium term contracts / deployments with their employers." Don't forget all the well off French that left after the implementation of draconian tax laws... | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done. The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Racist? Lol Whose idea was it in the first place to get rid of the 'clutter' of small nations in Europe and create one federal superstate? Can you guess? And have you heard of a man called Walther Funk and what his ideas were? It is not really relevant. My point is that the argument we are being fed about immigrants is becoming very very similar to the arguments given by your beloved Funk and others. We are echoing directly nazi anti foreigner propaganda, we are blaming foreign types for all the nations ills and when this is called out for what it is, we get told to stop making a fuss. Batshit crazy. Funk was a nazi who thought an EU was a good idea. My beloved Funk? I think he's yours Hitler also have a keen interested in a united Europe but for quite different reasons! And your point is? Because someone who thought bad things also thought of something else does not automatically mean it is a bad idea. You are just trying to tarnish by association. I assume he also liked beer being a German, does that mean Beer should be shunned by the Uk? Presumably he got most of his oxygen through respiration, does that mean we need to find another way as we are using Nazi methods to provide oxygen to our blood. Let's answer the questions, not just try to tarnish the arguments. you tarnished the argument by implying that anyone who wants to leave is a 'fucking racist'! Where did I imply that?? Do you actually read anything or just look for individual words and react to them? One of the arguments which is used for exiting the EU is profoundly racist. The others aren't. But the one which is needs to be mentioned too. At no point did I say everyone adheres to all the arguments nor did I say that all arguments apply equally. For the love of fuck please stop this teenage level of discourse, start responding to questions and stop just looking for the merest thing you can take the hump at to try and dismiss arguments you have otherwise no answer for. I have read it, have you? So which reason for wanting to leave the EU is profoundly racist? Yes, I have read it. I wrote it. The reason that many people in the uk do not like foreign types. It is simple, very very basic and has been a part of the psyche of the country for centuries. It is pathetic, out of date and not fit for the 21st century. Some people also don't like seeing foreign people in their country because they think it dilutes "Britishness" which is as ridiculous as it sounds. Other people simply don't like people with different coloured skin. Pathetic but true. A lot of this add us up to an isolationist agenda whereby many people think that Britain is tarnished by association with these foreign johnnies and we are really better off keeping ourselves to ourselves. Maybe occasionally invading some savages to teach them a thing or two about civilisation. Yes these things are all utterly pathetic, but they are prevalent and rife. We have sadly got the country into the dangerous position where these thoughts are seldom aired publicly so we lose sight of it. But they still exist. Not in my fucking name will we act on such outdated pathetic small mindedness. you are showing yourself up here as being small minded. Do you think that British people think any differently to any other people in Europe? I would say you need to meet more There are these attitudes all over the world but that does not mean we should succumb to them here. The EU is an organisation designed to ensure that small minded racist insularity does not prevail. It has plenty problems, but the basic premise for it is more valuable than the problems. can you not see that the EU is racist? Oh this one is new... No i can't. Do enlighten me. well I could go on for ever about protectionism etc but for now I will just direct you to a video made by the EU called 'Growing Together'. Watch it and make of that what you will" *facepalm* The more you write the easier a job the In campaign has. | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done. The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Racist? Lol Whose idea was it in the first place to get rid of the 'clutter' of small nations in Europe and create one federal superstate? Can you guess? And have you heard of a man called Walther Funk and what his ideas were? It is not really relevant. My point is that the argument we are being fed about immigrants is becoming very very similar to the arguments given by your beloved Funk and others. We are echoing directly nazi anti foreigner propaganda, we are blaming foreign types for all the nations ills and when this is called out for what it is, we get told to stop making a fuss. Batshit crazy. Funk was a nazi who thought an EU was a good idea. My beloved Funk? I think he's yours Hitler also have a keen interested in a united Europe but for quite different reasons! And your point is? Because someone who thought bad things also thought of something else does not automatically mean it is a bad idea. You are just trying to tarnish by association. I assume he also liked beer being a German, does that mean Beer should be shunned by the Uk? Presumably he got most of his oxygen through respiration, does that mean we need to find another way as we are using Nazi methods to provide oxygen to our blood. Let's answer the questions, not just try to tarnish the arguments. you tarnished the argument by implying that anyone who wants to leave is a 'fucking racist'! Where did I imply that?? Do you actually read anything or just look for individual words and react to them? One of the arguments which is used for exiting the EU is profoundly racist. The others aren't. But the one which is needs to be mentioned too. At no point did I say everyone adheres to all the arguments nor did I say that all arguments apply equally. For the love of fuck please stop this teenage level of discourse, start responding to questions and stop just looking for the merest thing you can take the hump at to try and dismiss arguments you have otherwise no answer for. I have read it, have you? So which reason for wanting to leave the EU is profoundly racist? Yes, I have read it. I wrote it. The reason that many people in the uk do not like foreign types. It is simple, very very basic and has been a part of the psyche of the country for centuries. It is pathetic, out of date and not fit for the 21st century. Some people also don't like seeing foreign people in their country because they think it dilutes "Britishness" which is as ridiculous as it sounds. Other people simply don't like people with different coloured skin. Pathetic but true. A lot of this add us up to an isolationist agenda whereby many people think that Britain is tarnished by association with these foreign johnnies and we are really better off keeping ourselves to ourselves. Maybe occasionally invading some savages to teach them a thing or two about civilisation. Yes these things are all utterly pathetic, but they are prevalent and rife. We have sadly got the country into the dangerous position where these thoughts are seldom aired publicly so we lose sight of it. But they still exist. Not in my fucking name will we act on such outdated pathetic small mindedness. you are showing yourself up here as being small minded. Do you think that British people think any differently to any other people in Europe? I would say you need to meet more There are these attitudes all over the world but that does not mean we should succumb to them here. The EU is an organisation designed to ensure that small minded racist insularity does not prevail. It has plenty problems, but the basic premise for it is more valuable than the problems. can you not see that the EU is racist? Oh this one is new... No i can't. Do enlighten me. well I could go on for ever about protectionism etc but for now I will just direct you to a video made by the EU called 'Growing Together'. Watch it and make of that what you will" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17315704 Thus was made by an ad agency. That the video is clearly bollocks does not mean the EU is racist. That the video was withdrawn suggests the EU is not racist. The video was not racist, it was just shite. | |||
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"P Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Language of hate , that has caused so many problems in history and this week. I don't care what people vote, let's have a sensible discussion without resorting to this kind of language. Mr.B. Trust me there is no hate. Don't dismiss a perfectly good point with your dismissive language. This issue needs to be addressed. Part of the out campaign showed their true colours earlier in the week with an utterly disgraceful poster which was all but identical to a nazi propaganda film in the 40s. We need to front up and confront this racist element in the discussion because it is dangerous and it is trying to lead us down a path that really doesn't bear thinking about. Remember, Germans were not racists and anti Semites in the 30s and 40s, they were very gently led down that path by closet racists and anti Semites. This happened because no one was able to call them out and show them for what they are. Do not ever let us make these mistakes again. Unless you would like that sort of world. Your post has the implication of racism and going down the path of nazi Germany on Leave supporters. I'm sure an element of them may well be racist, but using that language on what could be 50% of the population is extremely rash. Both sides have started flinging ridiculous statements about. Leave campaigners bringing up the war and nazi Germany are equally mis-guided. Mr.B. No my post does not do that. Only if you ignore most of what i have said and pick one particular part does it say that. You need all of the writing for it to make sense. If you don't like people talking about these comparisons, then stop the Brexit campaign from using Nazi propaganda in its fucking campaign. Trust me, I did not want to bring up the subject of nazi Germany. Having German heritage it gives me no pleasure. But we must, when confronted with such fucking evil shit, stand up and point at it and call it for what it is. The argument that saying such things is wrong because is unpleasant is moronic. If you do something fucking awful, then you need to expect people to tell you what you are doing is fucking awful. If you saw someone getting beaten up and they were screaming, would you tell them to keep the noise down or would you stop the disgraceful act which was causing them to scream? At the moment you are telling them to keep their voices down. Grow a pair and call out racist filth." . Why don't you just report Nigel farage for this "racist filth" ... Hate speech, racism, sexisim, this has all been illegal under uk statue for years and years. Just go straight the police with your evidence and get them to prosecute..... You do have evidence don't you, I mean your not just whaling your opinion out are you?. | |||
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"Becks back remain.............is that the fatal blow to the Brexiters?" Doubt it, seeing as Beckham spends most of his time living in America now, i'm surprised it even bothers him? Sol Campbell (ex Tottenham, Arsenal and England player) on the other hand actually still lives here and backs the Leave campaign. www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3520982/Come-Brexiteers-Former-England-captain-Sol-Campbell-kicks-vote-Leave-boost-British-football.html It appears also former Liverpool and England star John Barnes is backing the Leave campaign, as Michael Gove mentioned Sol Campbell and John Barnes earlier today when the Beckham story broke. Talking about sporting greats, Sir Ian Botham firmly backs Brexit and he will be voting leave on Thursday, video here.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJCPo3SaQD8 | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done. The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Racist? Lol Whose idea was it in the first place to get rid of the 'clutter' of small nations in Europe and create one federal superstate? Can you guess? And have you heard of a man called Walther Funk and what his ideas were? It is not really relevant. My point is that the argument we are being fed about immigrants is becoming very very similar to the arguments given by your beloved Funk and others. We are echoing directly nazi anti foreigner propaganda, we are blaming foreign types for all the nations ills and when this is called out for what it is, we get told to stop making a fuss. Batshit crazy. Funk was a nazi who thought an EU was a good idea. My beloved Funk? I think he's yours Hitler also have a keen interested in a united Europe but for quite different reasons! And your point is? Because someone who thought bad things also thought of something else does not automatically mean it is a bad idea. You are just trying to tarnish by association. I assume he also liked beer being a German, does that mean Beer should be shunned by the Uk? Presumably he got most of his oxygen through respiration, does that mean we need to find another way as we are using Nazi methods to provide oxygen to our blood. Let's answer the questions, not just try to tarnish the arguments. you tarnished the argument by implying that anyone who wants to leave is a 'fucking racist'! Where did I imply that?? Do you actually read anything or just look for individual words and react to them? One of the arguments which is used for exiting the EU is profoundly racist. The others aren't. But the one which is needs to be mentioned too. At no point did I say everyone adheres to all the arguments nor did I say that all arguments apply equally. For the love of fuck please stop this teenage level of discourse, start responding to questions and stop just looking for the merest thing you can take the hump at to try and dismiss arguments you have otherwise no answer for. I have read it, have you? So which reason for wanting to leave the EU is profoundly racist? Yes, I have read it. I wrote it. The reason that many people in the uk do not like foreign types. It is simple, very very basic and has been a part of the psyche of the country for centuries. It is pathetic, out of date and not fit for the 21st century. Some people also don't like seeing foreign people in their country because they think it dilutes "Britishness" which is as ridiculous as it sounds. Other people simply don't like people with different coloured skin. Pathetic but true. A lot of this add us up to an isolationist agenda whereby many people think that Britain is tarnished by association with these foreign johnnies and we are really better off keeping ourselves to ourselves. Maybe occasionally invading some savages to teach them a thing or two about civilisation. Yes these things are all utterly pathetic, but they are prevalent and rife. We have sadly got the country into the dangerous position where these thoughts are seldom aired publicly so we lose sight of it. But they still exist. Not in my fucking name will we act on such outdated pathetic small mindedness. you are showing yourself up here as being small minded. Do you think that British people think any differently to any other people in Europe? I would say you need to meet more There are these attitudes all over the world but that does not mean we should succumb to them here. The EU is an organisation designed to ensure that small minded racist insularity does not prevail. It has plenty problems, but the basic premise for it is more valuable than the problems. can you not see that the EU is racist? Oh this one is new... No i can't. Do enlighten me. well I could go on for ever about protectionism etc but for now I will just direct you to a video made by the EU called 'Growing Together'. Watch it and make of that what you will http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17315704 Thus was made by an ad agency. That the video is clearly bollocks does not mean the EU is racist. That the video was withdrawn suggests the EU is not racist. The video was not racist, it was just shite." Why the fuck are people who want to leave the EU tagged as having a racial motive...it's the fucking numbskulls that can only use that as an argument that would happily sit on the titantic saying..."don't worry love they promised help will arrive" | |||
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"I hear Stuart Hall, Rolf Harris and Peter Sutcliffe all want to stay in. Also, in a seance done earlier today, Hitler, Genghis Khan and Vlad the Impaler are all in the remain camp. Now a brain-dead fuckwiited footballer who's married to a malnourished stick insect also want to stay in - that's certainly changed my vote "I hear France and Italy are keen to have a vote to leave...that's a little more concerning. | |||
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"Living in france ,we have a better health system,better roads,better food, cheaper drink,better weather,better education,I won't be going back but the ones that want out are very small minded they actually think that this fallacy 350 million is up for grabs,and that they don't need immigration , just try and live without other countries people and see what happens, best of luck if you go hope you get Boris or ukip and depend on trump for businesses I love France, lovely country but if things are so wonderful there, how come London is Frances 5th biggest city? That's actually not necessarily true; the figure varies between 50,000 and 300,000. The census quotes 86,000 people with French passports living in London; There may be more who live and work split time between UK and France. Plus the higher figure actually counts French living all over UK , but the figures show London, as they are counted as administered by the French govt office in London. Anyway, it's irrelevant; The majority of French in London/UK are professionals on short to medium term contracts / deployments with their employers. Don't forget all the well off French that left after the implementation of draconian tax laws..." In reality not that many; a couple of thousand of the richest: it was not much additional actually; and some loopholes used by the richest were closed; the super tax was binned last year. and not many actually left; the most notable was Gerard Depardieu; but he was being investigated for tax fraud anyway, and basically ran away to avoid that. | |||
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"Can anyone tell me one good reason to leave ,please I have only heard stupid ones up to now" There aren't many. Just as there aren't many to stay. It is mainly conjecture so go with your heart. | |||
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"Plenty of debate for some time but there's no hard, indisputable facts on either side it seems. Tough one to vote on really, not afraid of change though. A footballer living in America isn't going to sway me though, as much as I like everything he's done. The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist Racist? Lol Whose idea was it in the first place to get rid of the 'clutter' of small nations in Europe and create one federal superstate? Can you guess? And have you heard of a man called Walther Funk and what his ideas were? It is not really relevant. My point is that the argument we are being fed about immigrants is becoming very very similar to the arguments given by your beloved Funk and others. We are echoing directly nazi anti foreigner propaganda, we are blaming foreign types for all the nations ills and when this is called out for what it is, we get told to stop making a fuss. Batshit crazy. Funk was a nazi who thought an EU was a good idea. My beloved Funk? I think he's yours Hitler also have a keen interested in a united Europe but for quite different reasons! And your point is? Because someone who thought bad things also thought of something else does not automatically mean it is a bad idea. You are just trying to tarnish by association. I assume he also liked beer being a German, does that mean Beer should be shunned by the Uk? Presumably he got most of his oxygen through respiration, does that mean we need to find another way as we are using Nazi methods to provide oxygen to our blood. Let's answer the questions, not just try to tarnish the arguments. you tarnished the argument by implying that anyone who wants to leave is a 'fucking racist'! Where did I imply that?? Do you actually read anything or just look for individual words and react to them? One of the arguments which is used for exiting the EU is profoundly racist. The others aren't. But the one which is needs to be mentioned too. At no point did I say everyone adheres to all the arguments nor did I say that all arguments apply equally. For the love of fuck please stop this teenage level of discourse, start responding to questions and stop just looking for the merest thing you can take the hump at to try and dismiss arguments you have otherwise no answer for. I have read it, have you? So which reason for wanting to leave the EU is profoundly racist? Yes, I have read it. I wrote it. The reason that many people in the uk do not like foreign types. It is simple, very very basic and has been a part of the psyche of the country for centuries. It is pathetic, out of date and not fit for the 21st century. Some people also don't like seeing foreign people in their country because they think it dilutes "Britishness" which is as ridiculous as it sounds. Other people simply don't like people with different coloured skin. Pathetic but true. A lot of this add us up to an isolationist agenda whereby many people think that Britain is tarnished by association with these foreign johnnies and we are really better off keeping ourselves to ourselves. Maybe occasionally invading some savages to teach them a thing or two about civilisation. Yes these things are all utterly pathetic, but they are prevalent and rife. We have sadly got the country into the dangerous position where these thoughts are seldom aired publicly so we lose sight of it. But they still exist. Not in my fucking name will we act on such outdated pathetic small mindedness. you are showing yourself up here as being small minded. Do you think that British people think any differently to any other people in Europe? I would say you need to meet more There are these attitudes all over the world but that does not mean we should succumb to them here. The EU is an organisation designed to ensure that small minded racist insularity does not prevail. It has plenty problems, but the basic premise for it is more valuable than the problems. can you not see that the EU is racist? Oh this one is new... No i can't. Do enlighten me. well I could go on for ever about protectionism etc but for now I will just direct you to a video made by the EU called 'Growing Together'. Watch it and make of that what you will http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17315704 Thus was made by an ad agency. That the video is clearly bollocks does not mean the EU is racist. That the video was withdrawn suggests the EU is not racist. The video was not racist, it was just shite." What do you think of Amnesty International objecting to the EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis then, when they along with the UN questioned the legality of it. Also just 4 days ago we saw the Medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres refuse to accept any future EU funding because of the EU stance on the EU/Turkey migrant crisis deal, link here.... www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36558694 It seems now even charities don't want anything at all to do with the rotten EU. | |||
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"No I know why to stay just have not heard one why to leave" I am fairly sure that for whatever reason you want to stay, there will be counter arguments. If you haven't heard any arguments as to why to leave, you must have been avoiding all media for several months. (Which, in retrospect, might have proved a good thing). | |||
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"Two weeks ago I was sitting on the fence but I have definitely swayed towards the stay camp. Nothing to do with who want in, more looking at those who want out. Too busy focusing on the individuals and not the policies. All the politicians on both sides will be history before anything has been sorted out. Look at the celebs who want in: Bono- foreign national, non domicile, Geldof- foreign national non domicile, Beckham non domicile. They don't pay tax here, notice a pattern? Not at all. But the arguments for remain are far stronger than the leave camp are able to present. What will happen if we leave? No one can say for sure." I still think I'm on the fence. However I look at the people who want out and I wouldn't trust them to have a stronger voice in Parliament or over public opinion - and that's the thing isn't it, the stronger members of parliament are often those who have got through laws they want or represent the interests of their party backers (public or private) the best. I've certainly not boiled my decision down to a popularity contest or who do I like more, but when as a young person I disagree with what most pro-brexit politicians believe is the best route for British society or economics to run on are, I can't help question whether it's best for me. Like people think Cameron and Osborne are pro big business - look at Gove, BoJo and Farage. | |||
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"Just remember no going back vote in and if down the line things don't turn out well leaving is easier than joining ,but the top dogs will not lose whatever happens, just the guy in the street loses, and if you think the honeypot they say is up for grabs well god help you" . Is leaving easier than joining?. Latvia, Lithuania, Greece, Romania got in pretty easily, where as nobody's left yet! So we don't know how easy it will be | |||
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"I don't understand why people are so fixated on 'personalities'? Whether it's Cameron or Boris, Beckham or Farage. Its not even about immigration. Immigration is good, but it needs to be controlled, not people coming in that we have no work for. Merkel says they should let immigrants in to Germany, all are welcome. But she also knows that when they become European citizens with a passport they can travel anywhere within Europe. She's gambling that they won't stay in Germany, overloading their services. I'm not European. I'm English. I haven't voted for anyone in Europe but I can and do vote for a British government. I do believe we are heading for a federal Europe of which I want no part. Europe provides legislation that the uk abides by, but other European countries seem to pick the bits of legislation that work for them and bugger the rest. Its not many years ago that I remember the French burning uk lamb in the streets or stopping wine from Italy and tipping it down the drain. That's not 'one Europe'. Europe had bse in cattle but got round the ban on beef by saying it was rabies. They were quite happy to ban ours whilst taking our markets for themselves without admitting they themselves had bse. Greece is bankrupt, being bailed out by Germany, France and the UK. Spain, Italy and Portugal aren't far behind. Should the worst happen they will also need bailing out. Where's the money to come from? The euro itself is being propped up because it can't be seen to fail. As is the whole European experiment. If the country votes to stay in on Thursday hopefully the whole idea of a federal Europe implodes. But who will pick up the pieces? I also think the uk economy will falter if we vote to leave, but I also believe it will be short term or until we have successfully negotiated our leaving. Its the uncertainty that the financial markets don't like, not whether we leave or stay. Both sides in the debate have misled people, which is what is annoying and clouds the real issues. Those that are pushing stay are backed by big business and conglomerates, because they have a clear field in which to work. Who am I going to take notice of? Beckham or Digby Jones? Eddie izzard or James Dyson?" Great post. | |||
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"I don't understand why people are so fixated on 'personalities'? Whether it's Cameron or Boris, Beckham or Farage. Its not even about immigration. Immigration is good, but it needs to be controlled, not people coming in that we have no work for. Merkel says they should let immigrants in to Germany, all are welcome. But she also knows that when they become European citizens with a passport they can travel anywhere within Europe. She's gambling that they won't stay in Germany, overloading their services. I'm not European. I'm English. I haven't voted for anyone in Europe but I can and do vote for a British government. I do believe we are heading for a federal Europe of which I want no part. Europe provides legislation that the uk abides by, but other European countries seem to pick the bits of legislation that work for them and bugger the rest. Its not many years ago that I remember the French burning uk lamb in the streets or stopping wine from Italy and tipping it down the drain. That's not 'one Europe'. Europe had bse in cattle but got round the ban on beef by saying it was rabies. They were quite happy to ban ours whilst taking our markets for themselves without admitting they themselves had bse. Greece is bankrupt, being bailed out by Germany, France and the UK. Spain, Italy and Portugal aren't far behind. Should the worst happen they will also need bailing out. Where's the money to come from? The euro itself is being propped up because it can't be seen to fail. As is the whole European experiment. If the country votes to stay in on Thursday hopefully the whole idea of a federal Europe implodes. But who will pick up the pieces? I also think the uk economy will falter if we vote to leave, but I also believe it will be short term or until we have successfully negotiated our leaving. Its the uncertainty that the financial markets don't like, not whether we leave or stay. Both sides in the debate have misled people, which is what is annoying and clouds the real issues. Those that are pushing stay are backed by big business and conglomerates, because they have a clear field in which to work. Who am I going to take notice of? Beckham or Digby Jones? Eddie izzard or James Dyson?" If you have not voted for anyone in Europe then that is your fault. EU elections are every two years and when its the UK turn to vote you can exercise your democratic right. | |||
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" The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist " We only isolate ourselves by being in a group who refuse to allow any single country in the group to arrange deals with countries outside the group. If we leave we could trade with the world as well as with the EU. We could give back to the world if we are allowed to trade with the world without tariffs, being in the EU that is seldom allowed We have been trying to reform the EU for the last 40 years unfortunately it is very difficult to get agreement in a group of 28 different countries (including ourselves). The EU has an agenda and reform is not something it is chasing. It is racist to block nationals from the rest of the world when allowing free movement for work inside the EU, wake up and smell the coffee | |||
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"They say if turkey want to join it will take 40 yrs" Are 'they' the same people that assured us they would reduce net migration to the “tens of thousands” as oppose to 300,000 | |||
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" The principles are pretty easy to verify: Work closer with your neighbours in a common cause vs Isolate yourself and cut well formed ties Give back to a world which we have taken and stripped assets from for centuries vs Take more more more and make even more enemies. Reform a non perfect institution from the inside vs Stand on the outside shouting whilst no one is listening Sew yellow stars onto the clothing of all immigrants and create a racially pure country vs Not being a fucking racist We only isolate ourselves by being in a group who refuse to allow any single country in the group to arrange deals with countries outside the group. If we leave we could trade with the world as well as with the EU. " We already trade with the world. We signed deals with India in 2014 and deals with China in 2015. It's those Chinese deals that made the UK government not support protecting the British steel industry. Wake up!!!! | |||
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"I don't understand why people are so fixated on 'personalities'? Whether it's Cameron or Boris, Beckham or Farage. Its not even about immigration. Immigration is good, but it needs to be controlled, not people coming in that we have no work for. Merkel says they should let immigrants in to Germany, all are welcome. But she also knows that when they become European citizens with a passport they can travel anywhere within Europe. She's gambling that they won't stay in Germany, overloading their services. I'm not European. I'm English. I haven't voted for anyone in Europe but I can and do vote for a British government. I do believe we are heading for a federal Europe of which I want no part. Europe provides legislation that the uk abides by, but other European countries seem to pick the bits of legislation that work for them and bugger the rest. Its not many years ago that I remember the French burning uk lamb in the streets or stopping wine from Italy and tipping it down the drain. That's not 'one Europe'. Europe had bse in cattle but got round the ban on beef by saying it was rabies. They were quite happy to ban ours whilst taking our markets for themselves without admitting they themselves had bse. Greece is bankrupt, being bailed out by Germany, France and the UK. Spain, Italy and Portugal aren't far behind. Should the worst happen they will also need bailing out. Where's the money to come from? The euro itself is being propped up because it can't be seen to fail. As is the whole European experiment. If the country votes to stay in on Thursday hopefully the whole idea of a federal Europe implodes. But who will pick up the pieces? I also think the uk economy will falter if we vote to leave, but I also believe it will be short term or until we have successfully negotiated our leaving. Its the uncertainty that the financial markets don't like, not whether we leave or stay. Both sides in the debate have misled people, which is what is annoying and clouds the real issues. Those that are pushing stay are backed by big business and conglomerates, because they have a clear field in which to work. Who am I going to take notice of? Beckham or Digby Jones? Eddie izzard or James Dyson?If you have not voted for anyone in Europe then that is your fault. EU elections are every two years and when its the UK turn to vote you can exercise your democratic right. " If I don't know who to vote for or what they stand for then I have no inclination to vote. A bit like the police commissioner earlier this year. | |||
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"They say if turkey want to join it will take 40 yrs" And also with that in mind...fuck the grandkids futures then...not our problem? | |||
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"It appears also former Liverpool and England star John Barnes is backing the Leave campaign, as Michael Gove mentioned Sol Campbell and John Barnes earlier today when the Beckham story broke. " John Barnes has come out saying that he's actually a Remain supporter. He did say that Brexit would be better for English football talent but that it was a small issue and he was a supporter of Remain. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/21/john-barnes-hits-back-michael-gove-remarks-eu-referendum Likewise, Victoria Beckham has backed Remain after the Leave campaign took comments that she made about joining the Euro 20 years ago totally out of context. Why do Leave keep lying? #LeaveLiars | |||
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