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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Baffles me why people blame the government for the obesity situation. I'm a bit overweight and I know that a better diet and more exercise is the key. Doesn't everyone know this?. Can hardly blame Mr Cameron for pick n mix being so reasonably priced

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
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over a year ago

Central

Global issues with people being overweight and obese are not as simple as some would like them to be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Baffles me why people blame the government for the obesity situation. I'm a bit overweight and I know that a better diet and more exercise is the key. Doesn't everyone know this?. Can hardly blame Mr Cameron for pick n mix being so reasonably priced "

Of course it's their fault, everything is their fault lol

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

There are more serious issues in the world.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Of course it's their fault, everything is their fault lol

True. He's been blamed for the floods too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Recent studies say that obesity can be down to genetics, I'm obese but i certainly dont sit down all day and stuff myself with cake?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why take responsibility for your own actions when you can blame someone else?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Feel like an Alien

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I didn't know the government was being blamed.

I don't think that some people know what better diet and more exercise actually means. A neighbour of ours thinks taking the dog for a short walk three times a week counts as exercise and someone I know considers half a mile too far to walk. Loads of people have no idea what a normal portion of food is and put foods in two groups "healthy" and "edible".

Education is the way forward but Lord knows where you start

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why take responsibility for your own actions when you can blame someone else?"

Exactly

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By *anky_PankyWoman
over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville

Anyone can find an excuse for anything if they try hard enough.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People know its diet and exercise but i think the government should do more to label foods better with the amounts of sugar in food and drinks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't know the government was being blamed.

Education is the way forward but Lord knows where you start"

I don't think many can blame lack of available information and guidelines these days.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People know its diet and exercise but i think the government should do more to label foods better with the amounts of sugar in food and drinks"

Pick up a mars bar

Or pick up a piece of fruit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yet to find reasonable priced pick and mix. If I did there would be trouble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My grandmother obese..18 stone when she passed away at 90..

My mother obese 17 stone 89 still living..

Myself ..obese still here

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yet to find reasonable priced pick and mix. If I did there would be trouble. "

Morrisons.. £4 for a mahooosive cup. Someone told me

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"People know its diet and exercise but i think the government should do more to label foods better with the amounts of sugar in food and drinks"

That's one of the reasons I cook my own food, I know what's in it. Can't remember the last time I had a microwave meal, and about once a month I'll pop over the road to get a large hot & spicy pizza from Papas which I've been using for about the last 25 yrs

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I didn't know the government was being blamed.

Education is the way forward but Lord knows where you start

I don't think many can blame lack of available information and guidelines these days. "

That's true. I don't know what's to be done then, maybe introduce rationing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My grandmother obese..18 stone when she passed away at 90..

My mother obese 17 stone 89 still living..

Myself ..obese still here

Well done. Youre managing to not die...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My grandmother obese..18 stone when she passed away at 90..

My mother obese 17 stone 89 still living..

Myself ..obese still here

Well done. Youre managing to not die..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah. But what if government advice is wrong?

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23030771-600-carb-your-enthusiasm-are-bread-pasta-and-spuds-making-you-fat/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not as simple as mars bar vs Apple - some areas don't have access to healthy food. The city I work in has outlying 'schemes' where you can't get to a supermarket without a car / transport. Online shopping isn't an option due to poor internet access and finances.

Cheap food, processed, high in sugar, salt and fat is what is available.

I met a woman once who, at nearly 50. Hadn't realised how much sugar was in Scottish tablet!!

Social conditions and learned practice in a household, along with social

Mobility and disposable income are the big drivers in the UK. Throw in the move away from jobs that involve physical labour to a lot of sitting about and it's a recipe for disaster.

Genetics plays very little part to be honest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't know the government was being blamed.

Education is the way forward but Lord knows where you start

I don't think many can blame lack of available information and guidelines these days. "

Unfortunately, the current guidelines are still bafflingly incorrect for the majority. As are people's understanding of the availible information.

There is a huge drive both in government, education and food manufacturers for 'low fat' and while it can be beneficial to some, low fat is simply not the way to go for the majority. As for "ballenced" that's just another way of saying "eat what you like"

Im not just talking about the size of someone's waist here either, there's a huge "health" drive (mainly propagated by pharmaceutical manufacturers) on the benefits of low this or low that when it comes to certain markers in blood levels and it's becoming more understood that this is simply not the case, yet policy within the nhs is still to force feed people drugs and tell them to eat less fat when it's entirley the wrong thing to be doing from a health perspective.

But hey, don't get me wrong. I enjoy a pizza and a bottle of red as much as the next guy

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

There are many reasons why people put on weight. Undoubtedly some are genetically predisposed to do so while we all know people who can eat McDonalds and chocolate every day and remain slim. Many people have emotional issues with food that go undiagnosed as they are not yet widely recognised.

In my case, my metabolic system was ruined by crash diets I was put on as a child for being slightly chubby.

As for blaming the government, we are all individuals and one size does not fit all. The latest research casts major doubts on the main health/food advice we have been given for the last 30 years.

Also worth noting that the diet programme with the best success rate is Weight Watchers, with a 95% failure rate.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

"My grandmother obese..18 stone when she passed away at 90..

My mother obese 17 stone 89 still living..

Myself ..obese still here

Winston Churchill...ate like a pig, drank like a fish, smoked like a chimney and lived to 90

Not that I recommend such a lifestyle but we all know people like him and sadly people who do all the "right" things and die of a heart attack in their 30s.

I have made it to 43 with no indicators of poor health. Blood pressure, heart rate, cholesterol, blood sugar all fine. Never even been to hospital other than a bad cut as a child and as a visitor. I am fairly lucky.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have trained many people - those that just wanna tone up to patients that have suffered heart attaches & there isn't anyone I cannot help improve their health through exercise & nutrition & I don't wanna hear this BS about genetics - train with me & I don't care what your genetics are,if your serious then you WILL achieve the goal you set yourself.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's not as simple as mars bar vs Apple - some areas don't have access to healthy food. The city I work in has outlying 'schemes' where you can't get to a supermarket without a car / transport. Online shopping isn't an option due to poor internet access and finances.

Cheap food, processed, high in sugar, salt and fat is what is available.

I met a woman once who, at nearly 50. Hadn't realised how much sugar was in Scottish tablet!!

Social conditions and learned practice in a household, along with social

Mobility and disposable income are the big drivers in the UK. Throw in the move away from jobs that involve physical labour to a lot of sitting about and it's a recipe for disaster.

Genetics plays very little part to be honest "

Hang on.

So you are saying the fact that a massive percentage of the population is facing obesity due to remote places where you can buy a microwave meal but not apples????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive lost just over a stone in a month,but its hard work,ive been living on fish,chicken,and salad,and loads of water,its will power .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why take responsibility for your own actions when you can blame someone else?"

Fat chance of that happening..

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By *erfumedpornovampireWoman
over a year ago

Swindon

"Ive lost just over a stone in a month,but its hard work,ive been living on fish,chicken,and salad,and loads of water,its will power ."

Well done!

The problem is, a microwave meals costs roughly the same as 6 apples so which are you going to buy? As a disabled person living on social security, I know what it's like to try and stretch your money.

I'm lucky enough to be able to cook most things from scratch, but many aren't.

Thank goodness for Jack Munroe, cheap healthy meals that are easy to cook

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Global issues with people being overweight and obese are not as simple as some would like them to be. "

this..

anyone making simplistic statements in relation to this issue has not looked at it objectively..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Global issues with people being overweight and obese are not as simple as some would like them to be.

this..

anyone making simplistic statements in relation to this issue has not looked at it objectively.."

Carry on then

Please share

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Global issues with people being overweight and obese are not as simple as some would like them to be.

this..

anyone making simplistic statements in relation to this issue has not looked at it objectively..

Carry on then

Please share "

its your thread?

it's not an issue that i have looked at objectively either..

what is your evidence to support your OP..?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Morrisons

£4

Massive cup

What I'm saying is

The people saying people aren't looking at it properly

I'm assuming you have and are able to enlighten us who are more ignorant to the subject with your findings

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Morrisons

£4

Massive cup

What I'm saying is

The people saying people aren't looking at it properly

I'm assuming you have and are able to enlighten us who are more ignorant to the subject with your findings "

i'll refer you to my second line above..

but will say that with this post you've shown that you also have not looked at the issue objectively..yet

what's in the cup?

salad?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Morrisons

£4

Massive cup

What I'm saying is

The people saying people aren't looking at it properly

I'm assuming you have and are able to enlighten us who are more ignorant to the subject with your findings

i'll refer you to my second line above..

but will say that with this post you've shown that you also have not looked at the issue objectively..yet

what's in the cup?

salad?

Mostly fruit and protein based

There's snakes

Eggs

Strawberry laces

Mini eggs

Diet cola bottles

Cherries

Frogs

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By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

It's a simple fix, close down all the fast good joints and stop making sweets and cakes

see it's simple

On the up side Asda have just reinstated the pick n mix

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Morrisons

£4

Massive cup

What I'm saying is

The people saying people aren't looking at it properly

I'm assuming you have and are able to enlighten us who are more ignorant to the subject with your findings

i'll refer you to my second line above..

but will say that with this post you've shown that you also have not looked at the issue objectively..yet

what's in the cup?

salad?

Mostly fruit and protein based

There's snakes

Eggs

Strawberry laces

Mini eggs

Diet cola bottles

Cherries

Frogs"

so a £4 cup of treats could be ok for a group of kids who have been running about in the park (Priory in Reigate) which has a Morrisons next to it..?

not good as anyones 3 meals a day of course..

making a simplistic comment as you did in your OP at least starts a debate..

which has reminded me i need to pop out for some shopping..

at Morrisons..

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By *essiCouple
over a year ago

suffolk

Look and see how the 'high street' shops have changed since the 70's til now....more fast food take outs than you can shake a stick at and far less greengrocer and alike....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's common sense if you ask me and it's something I tell my kids daily!

They're 11,10, 5 and 14 months, sugar is bad they know that, if my 5 year old sees someone drinking Coke she has no problem telling them there's 5 cubes of sugar in a can

I'm not a sugar nazi they know a certain amount is fine etc...I'm hoping I'm doing good with them....making them more aware of what they are putting in their body, they also understand that excercise is important (for them playing out) what they eat they have to turn into energy

To me that's common sense but not for everyone x

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Look and see how the 'high street' shops have changed since the 70's til now....more fast food take outs than you can shake a stick at and far less greengrocer and alike...."

there are far too many of them yes and they are cheap, tasty with whats in them and filling..

the big boys who run the supermarkets have too much power, as does the sugar mafia industry..

poverty also plays a part in what people may choose, education in school and the home will help to get back for some the basics in home economics etc..

its a massive issue, the teeth of under 10 year olds are being ripped out as they are rotten which is a scandl and a massive strain on resources..

sugar tax may be a start but that will also hit some of the poorest in society..

don't know the answers personally, its too big to be looked at in the whole maybe ..

a coalition of those who seek to address the issues of obesity may be a way forward but they are up against massive money from the industries for whom the profit margin and getting new consumers addicted is more important..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

That's it

That's what I was trying to say

Common sense

Saddens me to see a child walking to school eating a bad of crisps.

I used to work for a food retailer

The school kids would come in before they started and buy do nuts

Cake

Crisps

Biscuits ect

A parenting issue????

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By *essiCouple
over a year ago

suffolk

"Look and see how the 'high street' shops have changed since the 70's til now....more fast food take outs than you can shake a stick at and far less greengrocer and alike....

there are far too many of them yes and they are cheap, tasty with whats in them and filling..

the big boys who run the supermarkets have too much power, as does the sugar mafia industry..

poverty also plays a part in what people may choose, education in school and the home will help to get back for some the basics in home economics etc..

its a massive issue, the teeth of under 10 year olds are being ripped out as they are rotten which is a scandl and a massive strain on resources..

sugar tax may be a start but that will also hit some of the poorest in society..

don't know the answers personally, its too big to be looked at in the whole maybe ..

You said it in one....too much power but not just the supermarkets, the corporates in the food industry also. They encourage the ethos and the circle continues so dentists will be busy still ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even blaming the government in relation to food labelling is avoiding responsibility which a personal one.

Personally I think there's also a bit of a strange contradiction involved in this somewhere.

A severely overweight woman who is seriously endangering her own life or at least the quality of it..as I fully recognise she is entitled to do..will have people help to fuel her delusions. Surely although nobody wants to cause offence until it's recognised that being a morbidly obese woman isn't sexy or beautiful then the situation will never end.

I don't have any figures but it doesn't take a genius to know obesity seems to be more prevalent among women than men especially in the young..who knows maybe the big ass craze has got out of hand.

A big or "fat" bloke just doesn't have his ego stroked by the media and the rest of society in the same way.

I'm fully expecting loads of shit for this but I've been there myself..over 18st before I was 15 and topped out at 29st 12lb in sept 2010.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Even blaming the government in relation to food labelling is avoiding responsibility which a personal one.

Personally I think there's also a bit of a strange contradiction involved in this somewhere.

I don't have any figures but it doesn't take a genius to know obesity seems to be more prevalent among women than men especially in the young..who knows maybe the big ass craze has got out of hand.

A big or "fat" bloke just doesn't have his ego stroked by the media and the rest of society in the same way.

I'm fully expecting loads of shit for this but I've been there myself..over 18st before I was 15 and topped out at 29st 12lb in sept 2010."

Grabs hard hat

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

"Nobody wishes to cause offense"

A fat woman, far more than us fat men, often faces daily abuse in the street purely for her appearance. From "helpful" advice from people she has never met to outright insults and even threats.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Look and see how the 'high street' shops have changed since the 70's til now....more fast food take outs than you can shake a stick at and far less greengrocer and alike....

there are far too many of them yes and they are cheap, tasty with whats in them and filling..

the big boys who run the supermarkets have too much power, as does the sugar mafia industry..

poverty also plays a part in what people may choose, education in school and the home will help to get back for some the basics in home economics etc..

its a massive issue, the teeth of under 10 year olds are being ripped out as they are rotten which is a scandl and a massive strain on resources..

sugar tax may be a start but that will also hit some of the poorest in society..

don't know the answers personally, its too big to be looked at in the whole maybe ..

You said it in one....too much power but not just the supermarkets, the corporates in the food industry also. They encourage the ethos and the circle continues so dentists will be busy still ??"

until they are hit in the only area they care about which is the balance sheet they will continue to carry on..

they know 'we' will pay for the dental work and health care etc..

they are as vile as the illegal drugs lords and the tobacco industry..

but the politics also needs to change to look at it properly..