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Referendum and the working class

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

As a working class person, i see no real advantage of being in or out of the eu.

In = uncontroled migration meaning even fewer job opportunities.. Housing, Low wages etc.

Out = bit more work though being out does not stop migration.. Just controlled migration.. but few employer rights, inequality..

Both cases i see the rich vacuuming up more money while others suffer.. A concise post as i am on a basic phone.. And currently At work on a zero hours job on the docks..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

*tumble blowing through this thread* .. Lol

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

I think many people, particularly the working classes, are being sold a panacea by Brexit that will never be.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Didn't see this earlier or I would have posted. The current policy in the EU with move to of the labour force pushes wages in this country down. Nobody has explained to me why higher wages for the workforce is a bad thing

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Didn't see this earlier or I would have posted. The current policy in the EU with move to of the labour force pushes wages in this country down. Nobody has explained to me why higher wages for the workforce is a bad thing"
i expect their answer would be competition but surely better conditions, not just wages would mean a happier and more productive workforce.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"Didn't see this earlier or I would have posted. The current policy in the EU with move to of the labour force pushes wages in this country down. Nobody has explained to me why higher wages for the workforce is a bad thing"

Higher wages - lower number of employers - fewer jobs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lower wages-more paid out in in work benefits. Which Cameron doesn't want.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fewer jobs-less migrants needed to fill positions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a working class person, i see no real advantage of being in or out of the eu.

In = uncontroled migration meaning even fewer job opportunities.. Housing, Low wages etc.

Out = bit more work though being out does not stop migration.. Just controlled migration.. but few employer rights, inequality..

Both cases i see the rich vacuuming up more money while others suffer.. A concise post as i am on a basic phone.. And currently At work on a zero hours job on the docks.. "

You are working class? What does that mean? That you work?

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

Cor blimey guvnor, i'll hav to take me cap orf and scratch me old bonce and no mistake...itsa right old pickle this eu lark innit

Ohhhh my old man's a dustman...he's wears dustmans at......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cor blimey guvnor, i'll hav to take me cap orf and scratch me old bonce and no mistake...itsa right old pickle this eu lark innit

Ohhhh my old man's a dustman...he's wears dustmans at......"

That's not the working classes any more.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"As a working class person, i see no real advantage of being in or out of the eu.

In = uncontroled migration meaning even fewer job opportunities.. Housing, Low wages etc.

Out = bit more work though being out does not stop migration.. Just controlled migration.. but few employer rights, inequality..

Both cases i see the rich vacuuming up more money while others suffer.. A concise post as i am on a basic phone.. And currently At work on a zero hours job on the docks..

You are working class? What does that mean? That you work?"
it means i am far too vunerable to having to claim benefits for comfort.. Not like bob geldof for example!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Cor blimey guvnor, i'll hav to take me cap orf and scratch me old bonce and no mistake...itsa right old pickle this eu lark innit

Ohhhh my old man's a dustman...he's wears dustmans at......

That's not the working classes any more. "
well blaw me daarn! ? Innit?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Would be great to have money to waste like geldof .. Poncing about on the thames on a huge barge and acting like a prat..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cor blimey guvnor, i'll hav to take me cap orf and scratch me old bonce and no mistake...itsa right old pickle this eu lark innit

Ohhhh my old man's a dustman...he's wears dustmans at......

That's not the working classes any more. well blaw me daarn! ? Innit?"

Nah,we're the lower classes now mate

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone


"Cor blimey guvnor, i'll hav to take me cap orf and scratch me old bonce and no mistake...itsa right old pickle this eu lark innit

Ohhhh my old man's a dustman...he's wears dustmans at......

That's not the working classes any more. "

Your quite right, it's actually lower class round here, the working class tend to say things in languages i don't understand

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Would be great to have money to waste like geldof .. Poncing about on the thames on a huge barge and acting like a prat.. "

Why pick on him? His money isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Would be great to have money to waste like geldof .. Poncing about on the thames on a huge barge and acting like a prat..

Why pick on him? His money isn't it?"
he was spending it lecturing the fishermen and women.. Working class.. He wont be effected by any impact on industry, he could just bugger off abroad if things go wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Didn't see this earlier or I would have posted. The current policy in the EU with move to of the labour force pushes wages in this country down. Nobody has explained to me why higher wages for the workforce is a bad thing"

There was a good point made on the question time debate tonight. Dimbleby read out a quote from Stuart Rose (former M & S chief executive and the leader of the remain campaign)

" A vote to leave the EU would lead to higher wages for lower paid workers. I don't see this as a good thing"

Cameron changed the subject rapidly..... No surprise the fat cats want to remain. They can target recruitment at EU countries with low wages and high unemployment. Bring in migrant workers on minimum wage and the tax payers subsidise with up to £10k of in work benefits (Cameron's figures not mine...also came up in the debate).

But don't take my word...it will be on i-player by now .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would be great to have money to waste like geldof .. Poncing about on the thames on a huge barge and acting like a prat..

Why pick on him? His money isn't it? he was spending it lecturing the fishermen and women.. Working class.. He wont be effected by any impact on industry, he could just bugger off abroad if things go wrong."

He already IS abroad.....he is an Irish citizen. That's why he has an "honorary" knighthood. Not sure he is even eligible to vote?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Would be great to have money to waste like geldof .. Poncing about on the thames on a huge barge and acting like a prat..

Why pick on him? His money isn't it? he was spending it lecturing the fishermen and women.. Working class.. He wont be effected by any impact on industry, he could just bugger off abroad if things go wrong.

He already IS abroad.....he is an Irish citizen. That's why he has an "honorary" knighthood. Not sure he is even eligible to vote?"
bloody foreigners lol. Seriously though Yea your right. Not sure if he is registered to vote.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Would be great to have money to waste like geldof .. Poncing about on the thames on a huge barge and acting like a prat.. "

Have a successful pop career then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Didn't see this earlier or I would have posted. The current policy in the EU with move to of the labour force pushes wages in this country down. Nobody has explained to me why higher wages for the workforce is a bad thing

There was a good point made on the question time debate tonight. Dimbleby read out a quote from Stuart Rose (former M & S chief executive and the leader of the remain campaign)

" A vote to leave the EU would lead to higher wages for lower paid workers. I don't see this as a good thing"

Cameron changed the subject rapidly..... No surprise the fat cats want to remain. They can target recruitment at EU countries with low wages and high unemployment. Bring in migrant workers on minimum wage and the tax payers subsidise with up to £10k of in work benefits (Cameron's figures not mine...also came up in the debate).

But don't take my word...it will be on i-player by now ."

Thus keeping wages low for people already struggling and no incentive to get a better paid job because you won't be any better off in the end. You earn more,you get less benefits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cor blimey guvnor, i'll hav to take me cap orf and scratch me old bonce and no mistake...itsa right old pickle this eu lark innit

Ohhhh my old man's a dustman...he's wears dustmans at......"

He said working class not Dick Van Dyke

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied


"Would be great to have money to waste like geldof .. Poncing about on the thames on a huge barge and acting like a prat.. "

And even with all that money he was prepared to go broke by organising live aid all those years ago..and yes the man did go broke campaign for what he believed in.. The only prat I see if farage supported by British business pretending he is doing it for the working man ...lying tosser..

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Would be great to have money to waste like geldof .. Poncing about on the thames on a huge barge and acting like a prat..

And even with all that money he was prepared to go broke by organising live aid all those years ago..and yes the man did go broke campaign for what he believed in.. The only prat I see if farage supported by British business pretending he is doing it for the working man ...lying tosser.. "

There was only one person giving the wanker sign to fishermen on the Thames last week, that person was Bob Geldof representing the Remain campaign.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a working class person myself ( i work in a factory ) the main advantage i see is that if we vote out then the amount of people coming into the uk from the eu would decrease , as we are at the moment the majority of people comeing here from the eu are coming for low skilled jobs which means that wages are constantly held down , if we leave the eu there will be less people taking those low skilled and semi skilled jobs which means wages will increase , good for working class people like me but not so good for businesses who will have to pay those wages which is why allot of them are telling there workforce to vote to remain , even people in the official remain campain have admited this , it was even mentioned on question time tonight but not for long

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By *rRuhbarbMan
over a year ago

London

Yup we Irish can vote, a consequence of your colonial history

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford


"Didn't see this earlier or I would have posted. The current policy in the EU with move to of the labour force pushes wages in this country down. Nobody has explained to me why higher wages for the workforce is a bad thing"

Higher wages come from being more productive typically having skills that are competitive. Higher wages are marvellous the trick is getting businesses to pay them and if those businesses are internationally competitive. Part of the German advantage was keeping wages down in the last decade. If the UK leaves the EU then everyone has to be more competitive compared to others. The easy way is to devalue the currency that makes inflation higher or keep a lid on wages.

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone


"Cor blimey guvnor, i'll hav to take me cap orf and scratch me old bonce and no mistake...itsa right old pickle this eu lark innit

Ohhhh my old man's a dustman...he's wears dustmans at......

He said working class not Dick Van Dyke"

I've no idea what you mean, now if you'll excuse me, i need to finish cleaning this chimney or my work colleagues and i won't have time to dance on the roof

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Cor blimey guvnor, i'll hav to take me cap orf and scratch me old bonce and no mistake...itsa right old pickle this eu lark innit

Ohhhh my old man's a dustman...he's wears dustmans at......

He said working class not Dick Van Dyke

I've no idea what you mean, now if you'll excuse me, i need to finish cleaning this chimney or my work colleagues and i won't have time to dance on the roof "
he you find half a sixpence.. Its mine! Chuck some soot in tomy steel's face for me.. Serious note.. I would forgo higher wage, just a bit more.. Not lots. What i would want is job security. I dont know what money i will get next week so can never plan in the long term. I have a few zero hr contracts.. Very insecure.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yup we Irish can vote, a consequence of your colonial history"
northern ireland.. Of course.. Not sure if geldof is southern.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


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And even with all that money he was prepared to go broke by organising live aid all those years ago..and yes the man did go broke campaign for what he believed in.. The only prat I see if farage supported by British business pretending he is doing it for the working man ...lying tosser.. "
totally different scenario! Using own money and risking it all to help others is not the same as using money to lecture fishermen to sacrifice their existance, just because bob geldof (just because he's a performer gives him the god given right to lecture everyone) says so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look I have thus far stayed away from these thread's due to the high amount of patronising know it all's on here and everywhere.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Op I am with you on your opening statement.

We are definitely what I would class as working class.

Both working full time, both do manual labour and still struggling to make ends meet.

Anyone who has been in the building trade long enough will tell you that the tories in the 80's

And being in the eu have done to the industry.

It's changed beyond all recognition and the introduction of cheap European labour has meant that wages are shocking.

What I would say is cheap labour not necessarily inferior.

Point being.

In or out its not going to make a any difference to me.

It's not like my wages are suddenly going to double or treble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a working class person, i see no real advantage of being in or out of the eu.

In = uncontroled migration meaning even fewer job opportunities.. Housing, Low wages etc.

Out = bit more work though being out does not stop migration.. Just controlled migration.. but few employer rights, inequality..

Both cases i see the rich vacuuming up more money while others suffer.. A concise post as i am on a basic phone.. And currently At work on a zero hours job on the docks..

You are working class? What does that mean? That you work? it means i am far too vunerable to having to claim benefits for comfort.. Not like bob geldof for example!"

get two jobs, or three jobs, so that Geldof can take your money and redistribute it to others he sees fit to give it too, as he don't have enough money of his own to do that

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

In or out we'll still have uncontrolled European immigration, so that aspect won't affect your job.

Expect conditions and employment terms to be closer to sports direct if we don't vote to stay.

It's a no brainer - remain, if you're working class.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In or out we'll still have uncontrolled European immigration, so that aspect won't affect your job.

Expect conditions and employment terms to be closer to sports direct if we don't vote to stay.

It's a no brainer - remain, if you're working class."

Open your eyes;

you are already on remain, you are already in EU and you are living with and accepting companies like sports direct right now

you have accepted zero hours contracts, poor conditions and disgraceful treatment from employers

why is that?

More people have to stand up for what they believe on all issues, whether it be employment, government, health, schooling what ever.

Far to many people in this submissive United Kingdom just accept things.

Now is the time to stand up and Vote Leave for a better Britain.

don't be fooled by Westminster spin, lets get out now

Leave

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"As a working class person myself ( i work in a factory ) the main advantage i see is that if we vote out then the amount of people coming into the uk from the eu would decrease , as we are at the moment the majority of people comeing here from the eu are coming for low skilled jobs which means that wages are constantly held down , if we leave the eu there will be less people taking those low skilled and semi skilled jobs which means wages will increase , good for working class people like me but not so good for businesses who will have to pay those wages which is why allot of them are telling there workforce to vote to remain , even people in the official remain campain have admited this , it was even mentioned on question time tonight but not for long "

Increased wages means and increase in the base cost of the product or services that you are selling. If you then have to try to sell that product or service in a market that was previously free, but now has tariffs then you have a product or service that is no longer competitive. The loss of export markets then results in a reduction of production, laying off staff and therefore the increase in wage is not necessarily a good thing.

Increase in wages should come from increases in efficiency and productivity not just because the low paid want to be paid more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All of this zero hour's content nonsense all came off the back of the proliferation of companies using agency workers that kicked off In the early 80's

Originally started as temps from the office environment.

Other industries picked up on this very quickly.

Construction, manufacturers, fishing etc...

Understanding that they could exploit workers by using them on a day by day basis, with no ties and commitments.

This has continued and now almost all employment goes thru an agency these day's.

The upshot of this is working class and lower class are no better off in terms of stable employment and income than we were 400 years ago with the rich land owners and surfs.

And this is all happened being in and out of the eu.

So really, unless you are wealthy, employ lot's of staff, a rich land or property owner.

Voting out of the eu really isn't going to change anything.

I am still going to be skint when I die.

We are being fed lies and propaganda by both camps and even the best informed out there are as in the dark regarding the final outcome as everyone else is.

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By *olm_irishMan
over a year ago

Clonee

Well said..to hot! Don't be fooled by the promise of higher wages. The risk to your competitive edge in the European market easily out ways this and could end in job losses in the uk. Think about it....you could be waiting year for any sort of wage changes and you may not like the direction they go!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a working class person myself ( i work in a factory ) the main advantage i see is that if we vote out then the amount of people coming into the uk from the eu would decrease , as we are at the moment the majority of people comeing here from the eu are coming for low skilled jobs which means that wages are constantly held down , if we leave the eu there will be less people taking those low skilled and semi skilled jobs which means wages will increase , good for working class people like me but not so good for businesses who will have to pay those wages which is why allot of them are telling there workforce to vote to remain , even people in the official remain campain have admited this , it was even mentioned on question time tonight but not for long

Increased wages means and increase in the base cost of the product or services that you are selling. If you then have to try to sell that product or service in a market that was previously free, but now has tariffs then you have a product or service that is no longer competitive. The loss of export markets then results in a reduction of production, laying off staff and therefore the increase in wage is not necessarily a good thing.

Increase in wages should come from increases in efficiency and productivity not just because the low paid want to be paid more."

And what about companies who have thrived and make massive profit yet still don't give staff a payrise?

If people honestly believe that all these European countries will suddenly stop importing goods to the UK and risk their own financial stability is living cloud cuckoo land.

Money will always find a way round the system.

I don't trust or believe any of it. Both sides. Tbh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All of this zero hour's content nonsense all came off the back of the proliferation of companies using agency workers that kicked off In the early 80's

Originally started as temps from the office environment.

Other industries picked up on this very quickly.

Construction, manufacturers, fishing etc...

Understanding that they could exploit workers by using them on a day by day basis, with no ties and commitments.

This has continued and now almost all employment goes thru an agency these day's.

The upshot of this is working class and lower class are no better off in terms of stable employment and income than we were 400 years ago with the rich land owners and surfs.

And this is all happened being in and out of the eu.

So really, unless you are wealthy, employ lot's of staff, a rich land or property owner.

Voting out of the eu really isn't going to change anything.

I am still going to be skint when I die.

We are being fed lies and propaganda by both camps and even the best informed out there are as in the dark regarding the final outcome as everyone else is.

"

It all happened IN the EU. (None of it out as we joined in 1973). This is the product and goal of the EU. It is controlled by big business.. Mainly in Germany and France (and to a lesser extent a few others in the area) who have always controlled the EU.

Corbyns guff about the EU protecting workers rights is nonsense.... Ask yourself why there have been strikes all over France recently...? Because workers rights are being eroded rapidly. Not just here, not just by the Tory boys....all over corporate Europe.

The EU is a corporate boys club...it is why big businesses are so in favour. Import cheap labour by targeting recruitment, through agencies, in low wage/high unemployment eastern/Southern European countries. Bring them in on zero hours, minimum wage contracts. Let them claim (Cameron's figures on question time) £10k in additional benefits which companies do not pay...

The majority of small businesses want out because of all the red tape....stops them growing bigger and challenging the big boys....it's not rocket science to see why the split is the way it is!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vote Leave is all you need to do for a better life

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied


"Vote Leave is all you need to do for a better life"

What so the poor and less fortunate can be hit the hardest by a brexit vote ..get real ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Vote Leave is all you need to do for a better life

What so the poor and less fortunate can be hit the hardest by a brexit vote ..get real .."

Says the couple who have gave up fully on the U.K., walked out, left and now live permanent in Fuerteventura !!!!!

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford


"Vote Leave is all you need to do for a better life"

Lol expect a bad recession with a ultra right Boris as PM slashing all public spending to cope. No doubt living standards will be clobbered

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"Vote Leave is all you need to do for a better life"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Vote Leave is all you need to do for a better life

Lol expect a bad recession with a ultra right Boris as PM slashing all public spending to cope. No doubt living standards will be clobbered "

Cameron has stated he will stay on as PM and he will honour all leave request agreements should the leave vote win

nice to see the "light" recession has now changed to a "Bad" recession, more scaremongering

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Vote Leave is all you need to do for a better life"

even you do not believe that..

similar lacking in substance sound bite to 'all in it together'..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In answer to the OP's discussion point can I quote the 'Remain' campaign leader and an apparently highly respected expert:

Lord Rose. Ex M & S Chairman and worth £32 Million -

"Wages will rise if we leave. But that isn't necessarily a good thing"

Mark Carney Bank of England Governor employed by an organisation owned by HM Government -

"For every 10% rise in immigration lower end wages fall by 2%"

Remember these are the people telling us to Vote Remain. And why I volunteer for Vote Leave ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Didn't see this earlier or I would have posted. The current policy in the EU with move to of the labour force pushes wages in this country down. Nobody has explained to me why higher wages for the workforce is a bad thing

Higher wages - lower number of employers - fewer jobs."

Thank you hitting the nail on the head. Business is all about profit, higher wages mean a business owner is not going to take a lower share of profit to employ more people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In answer to the OP's discussion point can I quote the 'Remain' campaign leader and an apparently highly respected expert:

Lord Rose. Ex M & S Chairman and worth £32 Million -

"Wages will rise if we leave. But that isn't necessarily a good thing"

Mark Carney Bank of England Governor employed by an organisation owned by HM Government -

"For every 10% rise in immigration lower end wages fall by 2%"

Remember these are the people telling us to Vote Remain. And why I volunteer for Vote Leave .... "

Lord Roose's quote is taken out of context here. Yes, wages could rise, however wage rise will also lead to many medium, small and large businesses stagnating or shrinking. Higher wage pay = less money for the business to grow or develop. As a result there may be few jobs in the long run. I'm all for people having more money, but Brexit isn't going to get you that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Vote Leave is all you need to do for a better life

What so the poor and less fortunate can be hit the hardest by a brexit vote ..get real ..

Says the couple who have gave up fully on the U.K., walked out, left and now live permanent in Fuerteventura !!!!!

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My uncle and aunt moved to Norway yet still vote here when they can and run their business from Norway with links to the UK. Moving away permanently is hardly giving up on a nation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Increase in wages should come from increases in efficiency and productivity not just because the low paid want to be paid more. "

So you are completely against the Minimum Wage then? And of course the Living Wage must be totally abhorrent to you?

Gordon Brown invented Tax Credits to cover up the effects of the Open Door immigration policies he and Blair created on lower paid UK workers when the rest of the EU took a 7 year sabbatical. What started off as a £1 Billion sticking plaster is now £30 Billion sized proof that driving wages down with low paid immigrants is not good economics and very painful for the resident UK workers. Oh and that £30 Billion was the number given by the Remain Fearmonger in Chief: The Chancellor at the last Budget. He was using this number to prove cuts were needed. However he is NOW saying cuts will be needed to Tax Credits only if we leave the EU.

Project Fear at its worst....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a working class person myself ( i work in a factory ) the main advantage i see is that if we vote out then the amount of people coming into the uk from the eu would decrease , as we are at the moment the majority of people comeing here from the eu are coming for low skilled jobs which means that wages are constantly held down , if we leave the eu there will be less people taking those low skilled and semi skilled jobs which means wages will increase , good for working class people like me but not so good for businesses who will have to pay those wages which is why allot of them are telling there workforce to vote to remain , even people in the official remain campain have admited this , it was even mentioned on question time tonight but not for long

Increased wages means and increase in the base cost of the product or services that you are selling. If you then have to try to sell that product or service in a market that was previously free, but now has tariffs then you have a product or service that is no longer competitive. The loss of export markets then results in a reduction of production, laying off staff and therefore the increase in wage is not necessarily a good thing.

Increase in wages should come from increases in efficiency and productivity not just because the low paid want to be paid more.

And what about companies who have thrived and make massive profit yet still don't give staff a payrise?

If people honestly believe that all these European countries will suddenly stop importing goods to the UK and risk their own financial stability is living cloud cuckoo land.

Money will always find a way round the system.

I don't trust or believe any of it. Both sides. Tbh. "

Nobody is saying mainland Europe will stop trading with us. Only fools say that. We produce and sell smaller amounts to the EU, but usually high end goods and services, in comparison we import more eg, agricultural produce. Coming from a working class family myself, and struggling to balance my own books with a student debt and trying to save for a house, what I want certainty on is whether my weekly shop will go up in price. eg, about 2/3 of the food I buy is produced in Europe, the OUT camp cannot guarantee whether the cost of food will go up, which is a important and long lasting issue.

As for companies which are thriving yet not upping the pay wages, it could be two other things aside from people willing to work cheap. 1.) Research and development - production is fairly cheap right now, however research and further industrial development is at a price high. You want to stay competitive you have to invest heavily to keep your spot in the market. 2.) Corporate greed, cheap shot but a valid point, if our parliament cared for the average worker then they would out in place legislation similar to Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Japan which closes the pay gap between the company owners and bureaucracy if a company is making a certain excess.

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over a year ago


"In answer to the OP's discussion point can I quote the 'Remain' campaign leader and an apparently highly respected expert:

Lord Rose. Ex M & S Chairman and worth £32 Million -

"Wages will rise if we leave. But that isn't necessarily a good thing"

Mark Carney Bank of England Governor employed by an organisation owned by HM Government -

"For every 10% rise in immigration lower end wages fall by 2%"

Remember these are the people telling us to Vote Remain. And why I volunteer for Vote Leave ....

Lord Roose's quote is taken out of context here. Yes, wages could rise, however wage rise will also lead to many medium, small and large businesses stagnating or shrinking. Higher wage pay = less money for the business to grow or develop. As a result there may be few jobs in the long run. I'm all for people having more money, but Brexit isn't going to get you that."

It was entirely in the context of the OP's remarks. And given Rose was replying to a direct question as to the effects of leaving the EU it is also relevant.

I do not buy the argument that higher wages are in themselves a bad thing and that businesses suffer. If a business relies in paying pittances to its workforce a) they will not be too highly motivated and b) the business model needs revisiting.

That the British Taxpayer should subsidise the likes of Sainsbury's, Tescos and other very large corporations through Tax Credits so those employers can pay shit wages to increase their profits is totally unacceptable to me. And I am a confirmed Capitalist. Let the big Corporations pick up the £30 Billion a year that tax payer funded profit support costs us ....

Paying decent wages is a sign of a well run business and not a recipe for financial failure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Increase in wages should come from increases in efficiency and productivity not just because the low paid want to be paid more.

So you are completely against the Minimum Wage then? And of course the Living Wage must be totally abhorrent to you?

Gordon Brown invented Tax Credits to cover up the effects of the Open Door immigration policies he and Blair created on lower paid UK workers when the rest of the EU took a 7 year sabbatical. What started off as a £1 Billion sticking plaster is now £30 Billion sized proof that driving wages down with low paid immigrants is not good economics and very painful for the resident UK workers. Oh and that £30 Billion was the number given by the Remain Fearmonger in Chief: The Chancellor at the last Budget. He was using this number to prove cuts were needed. However he is NOW saying cuts will be needed to Tax Credits only if we leave the EU.

Project Fear at its worst...."

I on't think many people are a fan of George Osborne atm, however you missed the point.

eg, If I am a small design company one of my first orders of business is to remain competitive and strive to hold a chunk of that products retail sector. Remaining competitive costs a lot, whether its research, design or marketing, so it's good if you can cut costs by having cheaper labour. Play your cards right and that means you can expand your business, that means more jobs are created, most will be cheap labour jobs, but in that are career jobs.

Now if I am a smaller business and I have to pay a higher wage to everyone that means I have less money to expand my business. Great for the average worker - I wont despite that, but it really only works with big and corporate companies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In answer to the OP's discussion point can I quote the 'Remain' campaign leader and an apparently highly respected expert:

Lord Rose. Ex M & S Chairman and worth £32 Million -

"Wages will rise if we leave. But that isn't necessarily a good thing"

Mark Carney Bank of England Governor employed by an organisation owned by HM Government -

"For every 10% rise in immigration lower end wages fall by 2%"

Remember these are the people telling us to Vote Remain. And why I volunteer for Vote Leave ....

Lord Roose's quote is taken out of context here. Yes, wages could rise, however wage rise will also lead to many medium, small and large businesses stagnating or shrinking. Higher wage pay = less money for the business to grow or develop. As a result there may be few jobs in the long run. I'm all for people having more money, but Brexit isn't going to get you that.

It was entirely in the context of the OP's remarks. And given Rose was replying to a direct question as to the effects of leaving the EU it is also relevant.

I do not buy the argument that higher wages are in themselves a bad thing and that businesses suffer. If a business relies in paying pittances to its workforce a) they will not be too highly motivated and b) the business model needs revisiting.

That the British Taxpayer should subsidise the likes of Sainsbury's, Tescos and other very large corporations through Tax Credits so those employers can pay shit wages to increase their profits is totally unacceptable to me. And I am a confirmed Capitalist. Let the big Corporations pick up the £30 Billion a year that tax payer funded profit support costs us ....

Paying decent wages is a sign of a well run business and not a recipe for financial failure."

I agree, however that business model is not going to be reformed by the business is it? Not unless they benefit from it financially - because that is the nature of capitalism.

Brexit wont bump up wages for a significant amount of years. There are still plenty of people without work, a country with a mid skilled work force with a significant amount unemployed if basically a business dream come true.

If we want a reformed business model where human labour is valued, then quite frankly we need a parliament who will actively enforce that c=kind of policy on the businesses who are doing a poor job at regulating themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In answer to the OP's discussion point can I quote the 'Remain' campaign leader and an apparently highly respected expert:

Lord Rose. Ex M & S Chairman and worth £32 Million -

"Wages will rise if we leave. But that isn't necessarily a good thing"

Mark Carney Bank of England Governor employed by an organisation owned by HM Government -

"For every 10% rise in immigration lower end wages fall by 2%"

Remember these are the people telling us to Vote Remain. And why I volunteer for Vote Leave ....

Lord Roose's quote is taken out of context here. Yes, wages could rise, however wage rise will also lead to many medium, small and large businesses stagnating or shrinking. Higher wage pay = less money for the business to grow or develop. As a result there may be few jobs in the long run. I'm all for people having more money, but Brexit isn't going to get you that.

It was entirely in the context of the OP's remarks. And given Rose was replying to a direct question as to the effects of leaving the EU it is also relevant.

I do not buy the argument that higher wages are in themselves a bad thing and that businesses suffer. If a business relies in paying pittances to its workforce a) they will not be too highly motivated and b) the business model needs revisiting.

That the British Taxpayer should subsidise the likes of Sainsbury's, Tescos and other very large corporations through Tax Credits so those employers can pay shit wages to increase their profits is totally unacceptable to me. And I am a confirmed Capitalist. Let the big Corporations pick up the £30 Billion a year that tax payer funded profit support costs us ....

Paying decent wages is a sign of a well run business and not a recipe for financial failure.

I agree, however that business model is not going to be reformed by the business is it? Not unless they benefit from it financially - because that is the nature of capitalism.

Brexit wont bump up wages for a significant amount of years. There are still plenty of people without work, a country with a mid skilled work force with a significant amount unemployed if basically a business dream come true.

If we want a reformed business model where human labour is valued, then quite frankly we need a parliament who will actively enforce that c=kind of policy on the businesses who are doing a poor job at regulating themselves. "

I'm not a fan of more state intervention. The best firms and the ones that prosper will be those which invest in people, pay them well and recognise the value of its people. Those that don't will ultimately fail. Market forces should ultimately prevail.

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford


"In answer to the OP's discussion point can I quote the 'Remain' campaign leader and an apparently highly respected expert:

Lord Rose. Ex M & S Chairman and worth £32 Million -

"Wages will rise if we leave. But that isn't necessarily a good thing"

Mark Carney Bank of England Governor employed by an organisation owned by HM Government -

"For every 10% rise in immigration lower end wages fall by 2%"

Remember these are the people telling us to Vote Remain. And why I volunteer for Vote Leave ....

Lord Roose's quote is taken out of context here. Yes, wages could rise, however wage rise will also lead to many medium, small and large businesses stagnating or shrinking. Higher wage pay = less money for the business to grow or develop. As a result there may be few jobs in the long run. I'm all for people having more money, but Brexit isn't going to get you that.

It was entirely in the context of the OP's remarks. And given Rose was replying to a direct question as to the effects of leaving the EU it is also relevant.

I do not buy the argument that higher wages are in themselves a bad thing and that businesses suffer. If a business relies in paying pittances to its workforce a) they will not be too highly motivated and b) the business model needs revisiting.

That the British Taxpayer should subsidise the likes of Sainsbury's, Tescos and other very large corporations through Tax Credits so those employers can pay shit wages to increase their profits is totally unacceptable to me. And I am a confirmed Capitalist. Let the big Corporations pick up the £30 Billion a year that tax payer funded profit support costs us ....

Paying decent wages is a sign of a well run business and not a recipe for financial failure."

Business pays higher wages for skilled people. UK lags Germany in training young people to the standards necessary for that. A problem made in the UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The people here saying wages should be kept low so that firms can invest etc make me laugh.

The annual average salary of a CEO of a FTSE100 Company is £4.6 million, or 183 times the salary of an average worker. Now I believe in capitalism myself but isn't that taking things a touch too far? Do people really think they couldn't spread it out a little more evenly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In answer to the OP's discussion point can I quote the 'Remain' campaign leader and an apparently highly respected expert:

Lord Rose. Ex M & S Chairman and worth £32 Million -

"Wages will rise if we leave. But that isn't necessarily a good thing"

Mark Carney Bank of England Governor employed by an organisation owned by HM Government -

"For every 10% rise in immigration lower end wages fall by 2%"

Remember these are the people telling us to Vote Remain. And why I volunteer for Vote Leave ....

Lord Roose's quote is taken out of context here. Yes, wages could rise, however wage rise will also lead to many medium, small and large businesses stagnating or shrinking. Higher wage pay = less money for the business to grow or develop. As a result there may be few jobs in the long run. I'm all for people having more money, but Brexit isn't going to get you that.

It was entirely in the context of the OP's remarks. And given Rose was replying to a direct question as to the effects of leaving the EU it is also relevant.

I do not buy the argument that higher wages are in themselves a bad thing and that businesses suffer. If a business relies in paying pittances to its workforce a) they will not be too highly motivated and b) the business model needs revisiting.

That the British Taxpayer should subsidise the likes of Sainsbury's, Tescos and other very large corporations through Tax Credits so those employers can pay shit wages to increase their profits is totally unacceptable to me. And I am a confirmed Capitalist. Let the big Corporations pick up the £30 Billion a year that tax payer funded profit support costs us ....

Paying decent wages is a sign of a well run business and not a recipe for financial failure.

I agree, however that business model is not going to be reformed by the business is it? Not unless they benefit from it financially - because that is the nature of capitalism.

Brexit wont bump up wages for a significant amount of years. There are still plenty of people without work, a country with a mid skilled work force with a significant amount unemployed if basically a business dream come true.

If we want a reformed business model where human labour is valued, then quite frankly we need a parliament who will actively enforce that c=kind of policy on the businesses who are doing a poor job at regulating themselves.

I'm not a fan of more state intervention. The best firms and the ones that prosper will be those which invest in people, pay them well and recognise the value of its people. Those that don't will ultimately fail. Market forces should ultimately prevail."

Yet the most successful businesses that currently exist are the ones which utilise low and mid skilled labour cheaply and pay more for highly skilled workers who are specialists.

It'd be wonderful if a business failed because it didn't pay and value it's employees enough, but that is not how it works.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In answer to the OP's discussion point can I quote the 'Remain' campaign leader and an apparently highly respected expert:

Lord Rose. Ex M & S Chairman and worth £32 Million -

"Wages will rise if we leave. But that isn't necessarily a good thing"

Mark Carney Bank of England Governor employed by an organisation owned by HM Government -

"For every 10% rise in immigration lower end wages fall by 2%"

Remember these are the people telling us to Vote Remain. And why I volunteer for Vote Leave ....

Lord Roose's quote is taken out of context here. Yes, wages could rise, however wage rise will also lead to many medium, small and large businesses stagnating or shrinking. Higher wage pay = less money for the business to grow or develop. As a result there may be few jobs in the long run. I'm all for people having more money, but Brexit isn't going to get you that.

It was entirely in the context of the OP's remarks. And given Rose was replying to a direct question as to the effects of leaving the EU it is also relevant.

I do not buy the argument that higher wages are in themselves a bad thing and that businesses suffer. If a business relies in paying pittances to its workforce a) they will not be too highly motivated and b) the business model needs revisiting.

That the British Taxpayer should subsidise the likes of Sainsbury's, Tescos and other very large corporations through Tax Credits so those employers can pay shit wages to increase their profits is totally unacceptable to me. And I am a confirmed Capitalist. Let the big Corporations pick up the £30 Billion a year that tax payer funded profit support costs us ....

Paying decent wages is a sign of a well run business and not a recipe for financial failure.

Business pays higher wages for skilled people. UK lags Germany in training young people to the standards necessary for that. A problem made in the UK."

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The people here saying wages should be kept low so that firms can invest etc make me laugh.

The annual average salary of a CEO of a FTSE100 Company is £4.6 million, or 183 times the salary of an average worker. Now I believe in capitalism myself but isn't that taking things a touch too far? Do people really think they couldn't spread it out a little more evenly?"

I agree, the distribution of a companies earnings - especially corporate businesses and ones which really could afford to pay higher wages, is disguising. But what are you going to do about it, leaving the EU wont get you that, only varying governments or a government introducing legislation is a realistic way of solving this issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The people here saying wages should be kept low so that firms can invest etc make me laugh.

The annual average salary of a CEO of a FTSE100 Company is £4.6 million, or 183 times the salary of an average worker. Now I believe in capitalism myself but isn't that taking things a touch too far? Do people really think they couldn't spread it out a little more evenly?

I agree, the distribution of a companies earnings - especially corporate businesses and ones which really could afford to pay higher wages, is disguising. But what are you going to do about it, leaving the EU wont get you that, only varying governments or a government introducing legislation is a realistic way of solving this issue."

Some thing we CANNOT DO within the EU.

I'm not saying we WILL do it if outside (this current lot certainly won't). But if we are out...then the right government COULD do it....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And how do the "working class" figure in this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The people here saying wages should be kept low so that firms can invest etc make me laugh.

The annual average salary of a CEO of a FTSE100 Company is £4.6 million, or 183 times the salary of an average worker. Now I believe in capitalism myself but isn't that taking things a touch too far? Do people really think they couldn't spread it out a little more evenly?

I agree, the distribution of a companies earnings - especially corporate businesses and ones which really could afford to pay higher wages, is disguising. But what are you going to do about it, leaving the EU wont get you that, only varying governments or a government introducing legislation is a realistic way of solving this issue.

Some thing we CANNOT DO within the EU.

I'm not saying we WILL do it if outside (this current lot certainly won't). But if we are out...then the right government COULD do it...."

You just summed up very well what I thinkj this referendum is really all about. And it is one word: Control. At the moment we do not control our destinies, our way of life, our trade policies and tariffs, our laws, regulations etc and we most certainly do not control the number of people this country can support (ie immigration). We do not, indeed cannot, control all of these key things because we are in the EU.

So the answer is fundamentally simple: Vote Leave.

Now that isn't some magic potion for us having excellent, forward thinking and fair Governments in the future. But at least we, the people, can control who goes in and out of No 10 Downing Street and therefore what policies we, the people, wish to be enacted in our name.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Would be great to have money to waste like geldof .. Poncing about on the thames on a huge barge and acting like a prat..

And even with all that money he was prepared to go broke by organising live aid all those years ago..and yes the man did go broke campaign for what he believed in.. The only prat I see if farage supported by British business pretending he is doing it for the working man ...lying tosser.. "

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

For those who really believe that Immigration will be solved if we leave the EU!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/this-chart-shows-how-wrong-vote-leave-are-on-immigration-a7083476.html

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are funny on here.

they can not see that the EU is the biggest racist protectinist organisation that ever existed. We feel sorry for you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People are funny on here.

they can not see that the EU is the biggest racist protectinist organisation that ever existed. We feel sorry for you"

LOL

Your posts never cease to amaze. Quite brilliant comedy; keep it up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For those who really believe that Immigration will be solved if we leave the EU!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/this-chart-shows-how-wrong-vote-leave-are-on-immigration-a7083476.html"

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"People are funny on here.

they can not see that the EU is the biggest racist protectinist organisation that ever existed. We feel sorry for you

LOL

Your posts never cease to amaze. Quite brilliant comedy; keep it up "

Why do you consider it comedy? Amnesty international were certainly not impressed with the EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis, they questioned the legality of it along with the UN. Just 3 days ago we saw the medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres now refusing to accept any future EU funding because of the EU stance on the Turkey migrant crisis deal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People are funny on here.

they can not see that the EU is the biggest racist protectinist organisation that ever existed. We feel sorry for you

LOL

Your posts never cease to amaze. Quite brilliant comedy; keep it up

Why do you consider it comedy? Amnesty international were certainly not impressed with the EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis, they questioned the legality of it along with the UN. Just 3 days ago we saw the medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres now refusing to accept any future EU funding because of the EU stance on the Turkey migrant crisis deal. "

that is beyond the remainerr thinking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People are funny on here.

they can not see that the EU is the biggest racist protectinist organisation that ever existed. We feel sorry for you

LOL

Your posts never cease to amaze. Quite brilliant comedy; keep it up

Why do you consider it comedy? Amnesty international were certainly not impressed with the EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis, they questioned the legality of it along with the UN. Just 3 days ago we saw the medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres now refusing to accept any future EU funding because of the EU stance on the Turkey migrant crisis deal. "

My irony-meter has just exploded.

Not coming back to this thread until I can get a new one. Along with a new flatter, which is officially ghasted!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People are funny on here.

they can not see that the EU is the biggest racist protectinist organisation that ever existed. We feel sorry for you

LOL

Your posts never cease to amaze. Quite brilliant comedy; keep it up

Why do you consider it comedy? Amnesty international were certainly not impressed with the EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis, they questioned the legality of it along with the UN. Just 3 days ago we saw the medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres now refusing to accept any future EU funding because of the EU stance on the Turkey migrant crisis deal. "

And UKIP's stance would be what? Line them up for a photo opportunity?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People are funny on here.

they can not see that the EU is the biggest racist protectinist organisation that ever existed. We feel sorry for you

LOL

Your posts never cease to amaze. Quite brilliant comedy; keep it up

Why do you consider it comedy? Amnesty international were certainly not impressed with the EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis, they questioned the legality of it along with the UN. Just 3 days ago we saw the medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres now refusing to accept any future EU funding because of the EU stance on the Turkey migrant crisis deal.

My irony-meter has just exploded.

Not coming back to this thread until I can get a new one. Along with a new flatter, which is officially ghasted!"

*flabber

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"People are funny on here.

they can not see that the EU is the biggest racist protectinist organisation that ever existed. We feel sorry for you

LOL

Your posts never cease to amaze. Quite brilliant comedy; keep it up

Why do you consider it comedy? Amnesty international were certainly not impressed with the EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis, they questioned the legality of it along with the UN. Just 3 days ago we saw the medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres now refusing to accept any future EU funding because of the EU stance on the Turkey migrant crisis deal.

My irony-meter has just exploded.

Not coming back to this thread until I can get a new one. Along with a new flatter, which is officially ghasted!"

What's wrong can't you accept the truth? Google if you like I think you'll find its all factual.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"People are funny on here.

they can not see that the EU is the biggest racist protectinist organisation that ever existed. We feel sorry for you

LOL

Your posts never cease to amaze. Quite brilliant comedy; keep it up

Why do you consider it comedy? Amnesty international were certainly not impressed with the EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis, they questioned the legality of it along with the UN. Just 3 days ago we saw the medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres now refusing to accept any future EU funding because of the EU stance on the Turkey migrant crisis deal.

My irony-meter has just exploded.

Not coming back to this thread until I can get a new one. Along with a new flatter, which is officially ghasted!

*flabber "

Nah, I thought flatter was better.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied


"People are funny on here.

they can not see that the EU is the biggest racist protectinist organisation that ever existed. We feel sorry for you

LOL

Your posts never cease to amaze. Quite brilliant comedy; keep it up

Why do you consider it comedy? Amnesty international were certainly not impressed with the EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis, they questioned the legality of it along with the UN. Just 3 days ago we saw the medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres now refusing to accept any future EU funding because of the EU stance on the Turkey migrant crisis deal.

And UKIP's stance would be what? Line them up for a photo opportunity?"

now that is funny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People are funny on here.

they can not see that the EU is the biggest racist protectinist organisation that ever existed. We feel sorry for you

LOL

Your posts never cease to amaze. Quite brilliant comedy; keep it up "

Maybe you should watch the video called Working Together that the EU put out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry, Growing Together not working together

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And where do we house all f the xtra people ? No point in building more houses that no body can afford to buy and if companies buy them to rent nobody can afford the rents anyways.

People cannot get full time jobs without 0 hours contracts so are not garanteed a full living wage so cannot get mortgages and if they do manage they end up losing the house and everything they have put into it and are right back to where they started again.

It's all one big mess

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"People are funny on here.

they can not see that the EU is the biggest racist protectinist organisation that ever existed. We feel sorry for you

LOL

Your posts never cease to amaze. Quite brilliant comedy; keep it up

Why do you consider it comedy? Amnesty international were certainly not impressed with the EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis, they questioned the legality of it along with the UN. Just 3 days ago we saw the medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres now refusing to accept any future EU funding because of the EU stance on the Turkey migrant crisis deal.

My irony-meter has just exploded.

Not coming back to this thread until I can get a new one. Along with a new flatter, which is officially ghasted!

What's wrong can't you accept the truth? Google if you like I think you'll find its all factual. "

Link for this story as it seems someone didn't believe it...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36558694

So it appears now even charities don't want anything to do with the rotten EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

workers rights, you keep a lot of those if we stay in. well i'm presuming you do but we have lost some rights since the coalition government so who knows.

but who really wants to be a slave anyway? i'm not voting to remain a slave.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Yup we Irish can vote, a consequence of your colonial history northern ireland.. Of course.. Not sure if geldof is southern."

They can if they are legally resident and have registered to vote, as can any Commonwealth Citizen also. (and I know Ireland is no longer part of the Commonwealth)

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