FabSwingers.com forum: jo cox murder

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

First of all R.I.P to the young mother. wife and mp such a tragedy.

I have heard another version of events from another source which suggest that there was an altercation outside the library and jo came out to split up the argument and was then attacked.This seems believable and the media do like to twist the truth.

What's everyone's thoughts is this a more likely version of events?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Which source?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Which source? "

Britain first denied any association with the suspect Tommy Mair and then went on to state that these were the version of events that really happened and the media are lying to everyone and trying to make their party look bad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Which source?

Sorry? The media trying to make someone that doesn't follow a certain religion look bad? Doesn't sound right to me!!

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Which source?

I thought it was going to be a credible source.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It has now been cleared up that he was nothing to do with britain first it was twisted by the papers and he apparently shouted put britain first.

This story about jo cox splitting up a fight has yet to be proved but it would make sense:/

The other scenario is he was just a mentally ill man with a political vendetta against her.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Are you saying the media are lying and we should check with the britian first source for the true facts?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just saying what britain first have said and the media do twist stuff alot and don't always give us the full truth.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Are you saying the media are lying and we should check with the britian first source for the true facts?"

You can't believe everything you hear in the media and it's just good to have an open mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How exactly would Britain First know this was the series of events exactly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Which source?

No association, other than the picture of him at a Britain First rally, standing behind a Britain First banner with several other Britain First activists.

Nope, no association with them at all.

Ever........

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

"Just saying what britain first have said and the media do twist stuff alot and don't always give us the full truth."

Of course Britain First are renowned for not twisting things to their own agenda and telling us the full truth.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Which source?

No association, other than the picture of him at a Britain First rally, standing behind a Britain First banner with several other Britain First activists.

Nope, no association with them at all.

Ever........"
was this reported on the news or in a paper?I know they said he was linked to a neo nazi group from the u.s

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Another point is his neighbours said they would never of known he had mental illness yet he goes and does this.it's not exactly normal behaviour isit?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

He volunteered with people but yet managed to seem so normal very scary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Which source?

No association, other than the picture of him at a Britain First rally, standing behind a Britain First banner with several other Britain First activists.

Nope, no association with them at all.

Ever........ was this reported on the news or in a paper?I know they said he was linked to a neo nazi group from the u.s"

The picture was in UK papers.

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By *gent005Man
over a year ago

Button F'ing Moon

"It has now been cleared up that he was nothing to do with britain first it was twisted by the papers and he apparently shouted put britain first.

This story about jo cox splitting up a fight has yet to be proved but it would make sense:/

The other scenario is he was just a mentally ill man with a political vendetta against her."

Cleared up by whom?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He volunteered with people but yet managed to seem so normal very scary."

Typical British First supporter then

Unemployed by choice

Feckless

Racist

A bit dim

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I know that the neo nazi group he was part of are known for being nasty pieces of work they are racist,homophobic,anti semestic etc etc the list goes on.I spose britain first are just trying to cover their asses to protect their rep.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I would love to post the video but it's probably against the rules but it can be found on YouTube it's their leader jayda fransen talking on behalf of Britain first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would love to post the video but it's probably against the rules but it can be found on YouTube it's their leader jayda fransen talking on behalf of Britain first."

Post the parorama investigation about them also

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

"I would love to post the video but it's probably against the rules but it can be found on YouTube it's their leader jayda fransen talking on behalf of Britain first."

As it a YouTube video the link is trchnically allowed. However, I think posting a pro Britain First video will be the ultimate fabicide.

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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago

Driffield

The first report I heard gave the impression that an attack was already in progress when she arrived on the scene.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I would love to post the video but it's probably against the rules but it can be found on YouTube it's their leader jayda fransen talking on behalf of Britain first.

As it a YouTube video the link is trchnically allowed. However, I think posting a pro Britain First video will be the ultimate fabicide."

If you type in jo cox murder and jayda fransen britain first it will appear.She is a good actress I tell you that lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

" The first report I heard gave the impression that an attack was already in progress when she arrived on the scene. "

Ah so this could be true ,,,interesting what report was this?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I have just seen on another thread on the same topic that he injured a 77year old man also.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

That was in the original reports minutes after it happened.

Right now, it would be better that everyone stopped bandying about loads of theories and home made ideas about motives; and waited for a proper explanation of what happened.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

"I have just seen on another thread on the same topic that he injured a 77year old man also."

You're a bit late to this party OP. The papers have taken off in a flurry of supposition about this. Right from the beginning there was the suggestion that it may not have been an assassination attempt on Jo Cox but that it may have been an altercation that she got drawn into.

The 77 year old man was reported injured from the beginning and it was confirmed that he attempted to intervene to save/protect Mrs Cox.

My source for all this? BBC Radio 4 news and the police statements.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have just seen on another thread on the same topic that he injured a 77year old man also.

The 77 year old man was reported injured from the beginning and it was confirmed that he attempted to intervene to save/protect Mrs Cox.

My source for all this? BBC Radio 4 news and the police statements."

Ah let's all hope he recovers.such a brave act to try and help her.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

Have lbc radio on at work and for the first hour or so the reports they kept putting out did make it sound like she had tried to stop an argument between others.until the court case i doubt we will know exactaly what happend.even then we mite not find out could be political could be as first reports suggested or could be the bloke himself dosent know why he done it.all any one does know is a lady lost her life and there are now two kids without a mum.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Which source?

No association, other than the picture of him at a Britain First rally, standing behind a Britain First banner with several other Britain First activists.

Nope, no association with them at all.

Ever........"

Don't forget he just happened to have a gun and knife on him, and the name he gave in court was misheard too.

Damn the press!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Which source?

No association, other than the picture of him at a Britain First rally, standing behind a Britain First banner with several other Britain First activists.

Nope, no association with them at all.

Ever........

Don't forget he just happened to have a gun and knife on him, and the name he gave in court was misheard too.

Damn the press!"

I expect the gun and knife just "fell" into his pocket accidentally.

In the same way that men attend late night A & E having "fallen" into their vacuum cleaners.

My understanding is that there was an altercation that Jo tried to intervene, during which she was stabbed and shot.

The individual who committed the crime is know to have mental health issues.

His mental health could have made him susseptible to radical ideas.

Whichever way you look at it, this is a very sad story.

I think it also shows that the middle ground of tolerance understanding and acceptance we used to have is dissappearing in a state of two extremes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Which source?

No association, other than the picture of him at a Britain First rally, standing behind a Britain First banner with several other Britain First activists.

Nope, no association with them at all.

Ever........

Don't forget he just happened to have a gun and knife on him, and the name he gave in court was misheard too.

Damn the press!

I expect the gun and knife just "fell" into his pocket accidentally.

In the same way that men attend late night A & E having "fallen" into their vacuum cleaners.

My understanding is that there was an altercation that Jo tried to intervene, during which she was stabbed and shot.

The individual who committed the crime is know to have mental health issues.

His mental health could have made him susseptible to radical ideas.

Whichever way you look at it, this is a very sad story.

I think it also shows that the middle ground of tolerance understanding and acceptance we used to have is dissappearing in a state of two extremes. "

I do think more has to be done to monitor and take care of the mentally ill who are often left to their own devices and gradually detioriate.his mental state must of got pretty bad to go through with something like this.

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By *ike00465Man
over a year ago

Nottingham

RIP jo Cox

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

I bet my house and life savings if this man had been Muslim, "mental health issues" would not have been mentioned first.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"I bet my house and life savings if this man had been Muslim, "mental health issues" would not have been mentioned first.

And I wonder why that is.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Does it actually matter? A woman has died, a man is widowed, children have lost their mother.

Whether it was because she tried to split up a fight or not it should not have happened. He chose to stab and shoot her. No one forced him.

Whether or not he was officially linked to Britain first or not he was obviously influence cwd by them if he is shouting their name out whilst doing it.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Which source?

No association, other than the picture of him at a Britain First rally, standing behind a Britain First banner with several other Britain First activists.

Nope, no association with them at all.

Ever........

Don't forget he just happened to have a gun and knife on him, and the name he gave in court was misheard too.

Damn the press!

I expect the gun and knife just "fell" into his pocket accidentally.

In the same way that men attend late night A & E having "fallen" into their vacuum cleaners.

My understanding is that there was an altercation that Jo tried to intervene, during which she was stabbed and shot.

The individual who committed the crime is know to have mental health issues.

His mental health could have made him susseptible to radical ideas.

Whichever way you look at it, this is a very sad story.

I think it also shows that the middle ground of tolerance understanding and acceptance we used to have is dissappearing in a state of two extremes. "

The police have said that articles related to Mrs Cox were found at the accused's home. They have stated this was a targetted attack.

Photos show Mair giving a nazi salute whilst wearing a nazi Blood and Honour tee shirt, and taking part in a Britain First demo whilst holding a Britain First banner with other BF members.

All this info is freely available.

The accused has been charged at the Old Bailey in London, not in West Yorkshire.

All this shows quite clearly the authorities are treating this as a case of terrorism, so I find it quite contemptible that people are so eager to trot out Britain First's desperate attempts to disassociate themselves from this event.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Which source?

No association, other than the picture of him at a Britain First rally, standing behind a Britain First banner with several other Britain First activists.

Nope, no association with them at all.

Ever........

Don't forget he just happened to have a gun and knife on him, and the name he gave in court was misheard too.

Damn the press!

I expect the gun and knife just "fell" into his pocket accidentally.

In the same way that men attend late night A & E having "fallen" into their vacuum cleaners.

My understanding is that there was an altercation that Jo tried to intervene, during which she was stabbed and shot.

The individual who committed the crime is know to have mental health issues.

His mental health could have made him susseptible to radical ideas.

Whichever way you look at it, this is a very sad story.

I think it also shows that the middle ground of tolerance understanding and acceptance we used to have is dissappearing in a state of two extremes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Which source?

No association, other than the picture of him at a Britain First rally, standing behind a Britain First banner with several other Britain First activists.

Nope, no association with them at all.

Ever........

Don't forget he just happened to have a gun and knife on him, and the name he gave in court was misheard too.

Damn the press!

I expect the gun and knife just "fell" into his pocket accidentally.

In the same way that men attend late night A & E having "fallen" into their vacuum cleaners.

My understanding is that there was an altercation that Jo tried to intervene, during which she was stabbed and shot.

The individual who committed the crime is know to have mental health issues.

His mental health could have made him susseptible to radical ideas.

Whichever way you look at it, this is a very sad story.

I think it also shows that the middle ground of tolerance understanding and acceptance we used to have is dissappearing in a state of two extremes.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Jesus! Wake up will ya!

I notice you've COMPLETELY ignored what he gave his name as in court.

Or does that not fit your little theory?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How did you hear about the Britain's first version of events?

In the media mayby

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Which source?

No association, other than the picture of him at a Britain First rally, standing behind a Britain First banner with several other Britain First activists.

Nope, no association with them at all.

Ever........

Don't forget he just happened to have a gun and knife on him, and the name he gave in court was misheard too.

Damn the press!

I expect the gun and knife just "fell" into his pocket accidentally.

In the same way that men attend late night A & E having "fallen" into their vacuum cleaners.

My understanding is that there was an altercation that Jo tried to intervene, during which she was stabbed and shot.

The individual who committed the crime is know to have mental health issues.

His mental health could have made him susseptible to radical ideas.

Whichever way you look at it, this is a very sad story.

I think it also shows that the middle ground of tolerance understanding and acceptance we used to have is dissappearing in a state of two extremes.

I am in no way defending him or what he did just in general mental patients in this country do not get the care they need but it seems he was a sick individual plotting and making his own gun etc seems like a bad mixture of the two."
but you have no idea what the state of his mental health was. Id prefer to leave it to the professions. Plus id like to know what a mentally ill person looks like

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Jesus! Wake up will ya!

I notice you've COMPLETELY ignored what he gave his name as in court.

Or does that not fit your little theory? "

Its quite informative watching how the fellow travellers of the Far Right will convolute themselves in order to avoid admitting that someone who shared some of their political views has committed a terrorist act, and has effectively declared it as such.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just seen on another thread on the same topic that he injured a 77year old man also.

The 77 year old man was reported injured from the beginning and it was confirmed that he attempted to intervene to save/protect Mrs Cox.

My source for all this? BBC Radio 4 news and the police statements."

That's what I understood. There were eye witnesses on BBC news saying that there was an altercation and she came out to help...

And that he had links to looney nationalist groups too.

There's no evidence the 2 are related other than they are both probably a product of him being mentally ill.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Jesus! Wake up will ya!

I notice you've COMPLETELY ignored what he gave his name as in court.

Or does that not fit your little theory?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jesus! Wake up will ya!

I notice you've COMPLETELY ignored what he gave his name as in court.

Or does that not fit your little theory?

After the Orlando shootings, terrorist groups like ISIS couldn't wait to claim responsibility. I don't see any nationalist groups wanting to touch this with a 60 foot pole.

Terrorism is organised violence in the pursuit of political objectives. This doesn't appear to be organised and his actions don't seem linked to the objectives of any wider group.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Jesus! Wake up will ya!

I notice you've COMPLETELY ignored what he gave his name as in court.

Or does that not fit your little theory?

After the Orlando shootings, terrorist groups like ISIS couldn't wait to claim responsibility. I don't see any nationalist groups wanting to touch this with a 60 foot pole.

Terrorism is organised violence in the pursuit of political objectives. This doesn't appear to be organised and his actions don't seem linked to the objectives of any wider group. "

I disagree. However, we shall have to see what comes out in court.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"I have just seen on another thread on the same topic that he injured a 77year old man also.

The 77 year old man was reported injured from the beginning and it was confirmed that he attempted to intervene to save/protect Mrs Cox.

My source for all this? BBC Radio 4 news and the police statements.

That's what I understood. There were eye witnesses on BBC news saying that there was an altercation and she came out to help...

And that he had links to looney nationalist groups too.

There's no evidence the 2 are related other than they are both probably a product of him being mentally ill. "

Apart from the fact that news articles about Mrs Cox were found at his home, and that police state it was a targeted attack, and that photo evidence of his involvement with BF is freely available, and that he has a record of involvement with white supremacist groups going back a couple of decades.

No, you're quite right - no evidence at all....

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

denton

i would have thought britain first would not allow people to do nazi salutes at a meeting, the man was mentally ill, and there are more around due to cutbacks and not able to monitor them fully, i have done work in a mental health ward some can change at a drop of a hat, as if he was white supremist he killed a white mother,mental health is a complex issue and i dont have real answers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It has now been cleared up that he was nothing to do with britain first it was twisted by the papers and he apparently shouted put britain first.

This story about jo cox splitting up a fight has yet to be proved but it would make sense:/

The other scenario is he was just a mentally ill man with a political vendetta against her."

You mean apart from the picture of him behind a British First bamber on a British First demo

Yeah no links there

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"I bet my house and life savings if this man had been Muslim, "mental health issues" would not have been mentioned first.

You are conveniently forgetting the knife attack on the London Underground and the unforgettable "you ain't no Muslim bruv" shout from one of the witnesses

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"i would have thought britain first would not allow people to do nazi salutes at a meeting, the man was mentally ill, and there are more around due to cutbacks and not able to monitor them fully, i have done work in a mental health ward some can change at a drop of a hat, as if he was white supremist he killed a white mother,mental health is a complex issue and i dont have real answers"

I agree this is a complex issue many are left to their own devices and they can rapidly get worse.mental illness can make people think extreme thoughts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Britain first are evil hate fuelled scum. It was only a matter of time before sine one associated to them did something like this. As an organisation they and their followers are indefensible

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

denton

"How did you hear about the Britain's first version of events?

In the media mayby"
i dont believe all what the media print headlines sell papers, they miss out words and twist stories, ie in 30s germany hitler built the country up , then turn mental going into rages, if the sun heard me say that they, would headline that i praises hitler, missing the full quote as it would not make a good headline

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I agree this is a complex issue many are left to their own devices and they can rapidly get worse.mental illness can make people think extreme thoughts."
why are you not answering what others have said and only concentrating on mental health

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I agree this is a complex issue many are left to their own devices and they can rapidly get worse.mental illness can make people think extreme thoughts."

It's not a complex issue.

He was a right wing fanatic. He murdered her for political reasons. He planned it. That's why he was carrying a knife AND a gun.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

I agree this is a complex issue many are left to their own devices and they can rapidly get worse.mental illness can make people think extreme thoughts.why are you not answering what others have said and only concentrating on mental health "

Because it doesn't fit their narrative, and they can only explain it by shouting 'nutter' repeatedly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just seen on another thread on the same topic that he injured a 77year old man also.

The 77 year old man was reported injured from the beginning and it was confirmed that he attempted to intervene to save/protect Mrs Cox.

My source for all this? BBC Radio 4 news and the police statements.

That's what I understood. There were eye witnesses on BBC news saying that there was an altercation and she came out to help...

And that he had links to looney nationalist groups too.

There's no evidence the 2 are related other than they are both probably a product of him being mentally ill.

No, you're quite right - no evidence at all...."

Yes and the Orlando shooter was apparently the most prominent member of ISIS LGBT branch too!

I don't know all the facts yet, but certainly the first news report indicated that there was a fight that she came over to so I'm not sure how to fit that with a targeted attack unless it was a manufactured situation.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"How did you hear about the Britain's first version of events?

In the media maybyi dont believe all what the media print headlines sell papers, they miss out words and twist stories, ie in 30s germany hitler built the country up , then turn mental going into rages, if the sun heard me say that they, would headline that i praises hitler, missing the full quote as it would not make a good headline"

Suggest you read some history.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"How did you hear about the Britain's first version of events?

Hitler made clear his anti semitic views in Mein Kampf (my struggle ) which was written during his incarceration in Lands berg prison, and which was published in 1925.

He didn't suddenly start having anti semitic rages in the 1930s. Or is that another mental health defence?

The only reason he turned the economy round was because he was preparing for war. And invading countries and stripping them of their assets is a pretty good earner.

Please get your facts straight.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Britain first are evil hate fuelled scum. It was only a matter of time before sine one associated to them did something like this. As an organisation they and their followers are indefensible "

The neo nazi group he was part of were prob 10times worse they hate so many people there racist,homophobic,antisemitic list goes on and on.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Britain first are evil hate fuelled scum. It was only a matter of time before sine one associated to them did something like this. As an organisation they and their followers are indefensible

The neo nazi group he was part of were prob 10times worse they hate so many people there racist,homophobic,antisemitic list goes on and on."

Ah ok. So Britain First hate fewer people then? That's ok then. Thanks for explaining.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jesus! Wake up will ya!

I notice you've COMPLETELY ignored what he gave his name as in court.

Or does that not fit your little theory?

After the Orlando shootings, terrorist groups like ISIS couldn't wait to claim responsibility. I don't see any nationalist groups wanting to touch this with a 60 foot pole.

Terrorism is organised violence in the pursuit of political objectives. This doesn't appear to be organised and his actions don't seem linked to the objectives of any wider group. "

Terrorism isn't organised violence in the pursuit of political objectives. Thats closer to insurgency. Terrorism is an act carried out in order to inspire terror in a portion, or all, of the population.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree this is a complex issue many are left to their own devices and they can rapidly get worse.mental illness can make people think extreme thoughts."

To me you're coming across as demonising the mentally ill.

'Oooh we better watch them incase they flip and kill someone'.

If that is your intention, rather than me just misunderstanding it, shame on you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Britain first are evil hate fuelled scum. It was only a matter of time before sine one associated to them did something like this. As an organisation they and their followers are indefensible

The neo nazi group he was part of were prob 10times worse they hate so many people there racist,homophobic,antisemitic list goes on and on.

Ah ok. So Britain First hate fewer people then? That's ok then. Thanks for explaining. "

I just think people are quick to blame britain first for everything but this neo nazi group are a horrible group to be associated with aswell.they're leader actually said that the way she was helping refugees something like this was bound to happen,,,to me that sounds very sinister and almost planned by the neo nazis.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I agree this is a complex issue many are left to their own devices and they can rapidly get worse.mental illness can make people think extreme thoughts.

To me you're coming across as demonising the mentally ill.

'Oooh we better watch them incase they flip and kill someone'.

If that is your intention, rather than me just misunderstanding it, shame on you."

No it is a common fact that many mentally ill patients are left to their own devices in this country due to the fact their just isn't enough people to care for them.not their fault it's the health care system.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Britain first are evil hate fuelled scum. It was only a matter of time before sine one associated to them did something like this. As an organisation they and their followers are indefensible

The neo nazi group he was part of were prob 10times worse they hate so many people there racist,homophobic,antisemitic list goes on and on.

Ah ok. So Britain First hate fewer people then? That's ok then. Thanks for explaining.

Extremist groups of any kind are vile and can never be defended in my opinion.

I lose all respect for anyone who does so and find their arguments to be full of holes, lies, misinterpretations and deflections.

I include Britain First and UKIP in that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I agree this is a complex issue many are left to their own devices and they can rapidly get worse.mental illness can make people think extreme thoughts.

To me you're coming across as demonising the mentally ill.

'Oooh we better watch them incase they flip and kill someone'.

If that is your intention, rather than me just misunderstanding it, shame on you."

The mentally ill that are cared for and take their meds etc I'm sure can be very functional but when they are not getting the care they need they can deteriate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although BF's reputation is already in the gutter I can understand them not wanting to be associated with this. They can't control who goes to their rallies or meetings,aside from ejecting someone for disruption,and they can't monitor everyone who follows them. I have no time for BF,but they have to disassociate themselves from this kind of attack; they don't want others to do the same.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I agree this is a complex issue many are left to their own devices and they can rapidly get worse.mental illness can make people think extreme thoughts.

To me you're coming across as demonising the mentally ill.

'Oooh we better watch them incase they flip and kill someone'.

If that is your intention, rather than me just misunderstanding it, shame on you.

The mentally ill that are cared for and take their meds etc I'm sure can be very functional but when they are not getting the care they need they can deteriate

Do you actually know anything about mental health? It's not just one catch all thing and you just take some medication so it goes away.

Before you post anything more about it please read up on it as you are coming across as ignorant and quite offensive.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Britain first are evil hate fuelled scum. It was only a matter of time before sine one associated to them did something like this. As an organisation they and their followers are indefensible

The neo nazi group he was part of were prob 10times worse they hate so many people there racist,homophobic,antisemitic list goes on and on.

Ah ok. So Britain First hate fewer people then? That's ok then. Thanks for explaining.

Extremist groups of any kind are vile and can never be defended in my opinion.

I lose all respect for anyone who does so and find their arguments to be full of holes, lies, misinterpretations and deflections.

I include Britain First and UKIP in that."

I think nobody wants extremist terrorists in this country but britain first seem to be targeting a whole religion when it is only a minority which are extremists and are not proper muslims.so in they're own way they think they are doing good but they are causing hatred between people.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

More to the point I think we are missing the lead....

Why on earth is the OP trying to defend the organisation "Britain First"....

And maybe that is the thing that I will take from it all.... Anyone else care to make it public.. I am sure a certain woman from the south coast will be along soon to give the

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The man called himself a political activist... Has been pictured at a Britain first rally behind a Britain first banner... And gave an abhorrent name in court...

And yet there are some who still want to stick their heads in the sand... Or fingers in ears screaming la la la I'm not listening....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I agree this is a complex issue many are left to their own devices and they can rapidly get worse.mental illness can make people think extreme thoughts.

To me you're coming across as demonising the mentally ill.

'Oooh we better watch them incase they flip and kill someone'.

If that is your intention, rather than me just misunderstanding it, shame on you.

The mentally ill that are cared for and take their meds etc I'm sure can be very functional but when they are not getting the care they need they can deteriate

Do you actually know anything about mental health? It's not just one catch all thing and you just take some medication so it goes away.

Before you post anything more about it please read up on it as you are coming across as ignorant and quite offensive. "

I didn't say meds are the cure to everything I just think they could be cared for alot more that's all.I often see on the news that the mentally ill are not being looked after like they should be because of the staff shortages.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

And for those who say she tried to intervene in an altercation to get away from the idea this was a planned attack, here is an eye witness comment;

Jo Cox's last words were "my pain is too much," according to Gulham Maniyar, the father of Cox's assistant Fazila Aswat who was with the Labour MP during the attack on Thursday.

Maniyar told ITV news:

She was with my daughter. They'd left Batley office, they were in the marketplace, she was in my daughter's car sitting in the back seat. The car stopped and Jo decided to come out. My daughter didn't know she'd been shot. Because this person must be waiting outside where the surgery happens.

She said her [Jo's] injury was so bad and she was in her arms. There was lots of blood. She said 'Jo, get up' but she [Jo] said 'no, my pain is too much, Fazila'. And I think those were the last words Jo spoke. She could not do anything else. She tried to comfort her. Then the police came, the air ambulance came, they took her to hospital. She was a witness and her clothes were full of blood.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

To give people some idea of what Britain First are, lets look at who formed them.

They are a combination of ex-BNP hardliners who left that organisation because they considered it too liberal, and Scottish hardline sectarian Protestant thugs with strong links to Ulster loyalist terror groups.

Therefore we see at least some of them have a background with links to terrorism rooted in religious hatred, so quite similar to the extremist Muslims they profess to hate.

BF are a group with a very strong background of white supremacist thought, anti semetic, anti democracy standpoint. In other words National Socialism.

Their spokespeople have gone on record calling for those they disagree with to be killed, so their attempts to disassociate themselves from this act by one of their supporters is naught but rank hypocrisy born of fear they are about to be subjected to the full force of the State.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I agree this is a complex issue many are left to their own devices and they can rapidly get worse.mental illness can make people think extreme thoughts.

To me you're coming across as demonising the mentally ill.

'Oooh we better watch them incase they flip and kill someone'.

If that is your intention, rather than me just misunderstanding it, shame on you.

The mentally ill that are cared for and take their meds etc I'm sure can be very functional but when they are not getting the care they need they can deteriate

Do you actually know anything about mental health? It's not just one catch all thing and you just take some medication so it goes away.

Before you post anything more about it please read up on it as you are coming across as ignorant and quite offensive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jesus! Wake up will ya!

I notice you've COMPLETELY ignored what he gave his name as in court.

Or does that not fit your little theory?

After the Orlando shootings, terrorist groups like ISIS couldn't wait to claim responsibility. I don't see any nationalist groups wanting to touch this with a 60 foot pole.

Terrorism is organised violence in the pursuit of political objectives. This doesn't appear to be organised and his actions don't seem linked to the objectives of any wider group.

You can argue semantics all day but if there's no political objectives to the violence then it's not terrorism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Britain first are evil hate fuelled scum. It was only a matter of time before sine one associated to them did something like this. As an organisation they and their followers are indefensible

The neo nazi group he was part of were prob 10times worse they hate so many people there racist,homophobic,antisemitic list goes on and on.

Ah ok. So Britain First hate fewer people then? That's ok then. Thanks for explaining.

Extremist groups of any kind are vile and can never be defended in my opinion.

I lose all respect for anyone who does so and find their arguments to be full of holes, lies, misinterpretations and deflections.

I include Britain First and UKIP in that."

The fact that you lump UKIP in with a group like Britain First says more about you than it does about the ~3m people that voted UKIP at the last election. How many members does Britain First have? Probably 30 on a good day.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"More to the point I think we are missing the lead....

Why on earth is the OP trying to defend the organisation "Britain First"....

And maybe that is the thing that I will take from it all.... Anyone else care to make it public.. I am sure a certain woman from the south coast will be along soon to give the

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The man called himself a political activist... Has been pictured at a Britain first rally behind a Britain first banner... And gave an abhorrent name in court...

And yet there are some who still want to stick their heads in the sand... Or fingers in ears screaming la la la I'm not listening....

Not defending them atall they are one of two very bad organisations he was following,,,the neo nazis are prob one of the worst hate groups u can find when u read about them and britain first are disgusting the way they target a whole religion when it's only a small minority which are not part of the muslim religion.they are just extremists terrorists.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"More to the point I think we are missing the lead....

Why on earth is the OP trying to defend the organisation "Britain First"....

And maybe that is the thing that I will take from it all.... Anyone else care to make it public.. I am sure a certain woman from the south coast will be along soon to give the

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The man called himself a political activist... Has been pictured at a Britain first rally behind a Britain first banner... And gave an abhorrent name in court...

And yet there are some who still want to stick their heads in the sand... Or fingers in ears screaming la la la I'm not listening....

Ah, so you agree then that this WAS a terrorist act, given that he is a supporter of BF and in your own words they are extremist terrorists?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"To give people some idea of what Britain First are, lets look at who formed them.

Therefore we see at least some of them have a background with links to terrorism rooted in religious hatred, so quite similar to the extremist Muslims they profess to hate.

BF are a group with a very strong background of white supremacist thought, anti semetic, anti democracy standpoint. In other words National Socialism.

So they are similar to the neo nazis in some ways!?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"To give people some idea of what Britain First are, lets look at who formed them.

Therefore we see at least some of them have a background with links to terrorism rooted in religious hatred, so quite similar to the extremist Muslims they profess to hate.

BF are a group with a very strong background of white supremacist thought, anti semetic, anti democracy standpoint. In other words National Socialism.

So they are similar to the neo nazis in some ways!?"

They are not similar to neo nazis.

They ARE neo nazis.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Britain first are evil hate fuelled scum. It was only a matter of time before sine one associated to them did something like this. As an organisation they and their followers are indefensible

The neo nazi group he was part of were prob 10times worse they hate so many people there racist,homophobic,antisemitic list goes on and on.

Ah ok. So Britain First hate fewer people then? That's ok then. Thanks for explaining.

Extremist groups of any kind are vile and can never be defended in my opinion.

I lose all respect for anyone who does so and find their arguments to be full of holes, lies, misinterpretations and deflections.

I include Britain First and UKIP in that.

I have my opinion. You have yours. I've honestly put my views down. People can agree or disagree. It will make no difference to me.

And quite what you think it says about me I could not give a fig about.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"More to the point I think we are missing the lead....

Why on earth is the OP trying to defend the organisation "Britain First"....

And maybe that is the thing that I will take from it all.... Anyone else care to make it public.. I am sure a certain woman from the south coast will be along soon to give the

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The man called himself a political activist... Has been pictured at a Britain first rally behind a Britain first banner... And gave an abhorrent name in court...

And yet there are some who still want to stick their heads in the sand... Or fingers in ears screaming la la la I'm not listening....

Ah, so you agree then that this WAS a terrorist act, given that he is a supporter of BF and in your own words they are extremist terrorists?"

I was referring to who britain first target extremist terrorists who claim to be muslim but are not but yes this was an evil act of terror no denying that.everyone is assuming this is the reason he killed her but can you really just go on association and photos.he might of had a.personal vendetta against her we don't know that what the investigation is for but it's a strong possibility it was to do with her campaigning to help refugees.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"More to the point I think we are missing the lead....

Why on earth is the OP trying to defend the organisation "Britain First"....

And maybe that is the thing that I will take from it all.... Anyone else care to make it public.. I am sure a certain woman from the south coast will be along soon to give the

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The man called himself a political activist... Has been pictured at a Britain first rally behind a Britain first banner... And gave an abhorrent name in court...

And yet there are some who still want to stick their heads in the sand... Or fingers in ears screaming la la la I'm not listening....

Ah, so you agree then that this WAS a terrorist act, given that he is a supporter of BF and in your own words they are extremist terrorists?

It was such an evil act and so cowardly towards someone who was trying to create positive change in the world.I feel for her husband, kids, family ,and friends

And can only hope that her kind ways live on through the people who were closest to her

r.I.p jo cox X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Britain first are evil hate fuelled scum. It was only a matter of time before sine one associated to them did something like this. As an organisation they and their followers are indefensible

The neo nazi group he was part of were prob 10times worse they hate so many people there racist,homophobic,antisemitic list goes on and on."

Britain first are all those things too. They are nothing more than nazi scum. And they are as much a part of the problem and just as much a threat to our peace and security as the Muslim extremists they claim to hate bit actually mirror perfectly in their intolerant views.

So maybe their are groups out there worse than Britain First but please don't try and tell me that makes Britain First acceptable in any way shape and form.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Which source?

No association, other than the picture of him at a Britain First rally, standing behind a Britain First banner with several other Britain First activists.

Nope, no association with them at all.

Ever........

Don't forget he just happened to have a gun and knife on him, and the name he gave in court was misheard too.

Damn the press!

I expect the gun and knife just "fell" into his pocket accidentally.

In the same way that men attend late night A & E having "fallen" into their vacuum cleaners.

My understanding is that there was an altercation that Jo tried to intervene, during which she was stabbed and shot.

The individual who committed the crime is know to have mental health issues.

His mental health could have made him susseptible to radical ideas.

Whichever way you look at it, this is a very sad story.

I think it also shows that the middle ground of tolerance understanding and acceptance we used to have is dissappearing in a state of two extremes.

The police have said that articles related to Mrs Cox were found at the accused's home. They have stated this was a targetted attack.

Photos show Mair giving a nazi salute whilst wearing a nazi Blood and Honour tee shirt, and taking part in a Britain First demo whilst holding a Britain First banner with other BF members.

All this info is freely available.

The accused has been charged at the Old Bailey in London, not in West Yorkshire.

I'm not overly bothered by his politics or religion.

I am bothered that an innocent woman was murdered going about her business.

I am bothered that children are motherless and a husband has lost his wife.

The things that bother me also sadden me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"More to the point I think we are missing the lead....

Why on earth is the OP trying to defend the organisation "Britain First"....

And maybe that is the thing that I will take from it all.... Anyone else care to make it public.. I am sure a certain woman from the south coast will be along soon to give the

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The man called himself a political activist... Has been pictured at a Britain first rally behind a Britain first banner... And gave an abhorrent name in court...

And yet there are some who still want to stick their heads in the sand... Or fingers in ears screaming la la la I'm not listening....

Ah, so you agree then that this WAS a terrorist act, given that he is a supporter of BF and in your own words they are extremist terrorists?

Britain first are targeting Muslim extremists when they try and kick off in mosques are they? Or when they have a ludicrous peace March in Luton? Or when they get chased out of Leicester?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP are you a member or supporter of Britain First?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Britain first are evil hate fuelled scum. It was only a matter of time before sine one associated to them did something like this. As an organisation they and their followers are indefensible

The neo nazi group he was part of were prob 10times worse they hate so many people there racist,homophobic,antisemitic list goes on and on.

So maybe their are groups out there worse than Britain First but please don't try and tell me that makes Britain First acceptable in any way shape and form."

Britain first wanting to stamp out extremist terrorism is a positive thing but they go about it in an aggressive way rather than going through the right channels to put a stop to extremism,,,because of our eu rules at the moment we do not have the power to deport terrorists and groups like britain first are trying to take matters into their own hands and blame David Cameron for being powerless.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"OP are you a member or supporter of Britain First?"

I think we can already figure that out.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"More to the point I think we are missing the lead....

Why on earth is the OP trying to defend the organisation "Britain First"....

And maybe that is the thing that I will take from it all.... Anyone else care to make it public.. I am sure a certain woman from the south coast will be along soon to give the

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The man called himself a political activist... Has been pictured at a Britain first rally behind a Britain first banner... And gave an abhorrent name in court...

And yet there are some who still want to stick their heads in the sand... Or fingers in ears screaming la la la I'm not listening....

Ah, so you agree then that this WAS a terrorist act, given that he is a supporter of BF and in your own words they are extremist terrorists?

Britain first are targeting Muslim extremists when they try and kick off in mosques are they? Or when they have a ludicrous peace March in Luton? Or when they get chased out of Leicester?"

Targeting a whole innocent religion is not on obviously no.they go about things in the wrong way.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Britain first are evil hate fuelled scum. It was only a matter of time before sine one associated to them did something like this. As an organisation they and their followers are indefensible

The neo nazi group he was part of were prob 10times worse they hate so many people there racist,homophobic,antisemitic list goes on and on.

So maybe their are groups out there worse than Britain First but please don't try and tell me that makes Britain First acceptable in any way shape and form.

Who says we can't deport terrorists?

You are still trying to defend the indefensible.

Hatred and intolerance are the bedrock of Britain First. They were also what Jo Cox was fighting against.

The fact that you can defend them and still say RIP beggars belief.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

I think we have our answer.

The OP claims BF are a positive force only three days after a BF supporter assassinates a British MP on the streets of her constituency.

Don't know about the rest of you, but this turns my stomach.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP are you a member or supporter of Britain First?

I think we can already figure that out. "

Not atall.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Britain first are evil hate fuelled scum. It was only a matter of time before sine one associated to them did something like this. As an organisation they and their followers are indefensible

The neo nazi group he was part of were prob 10times worse they hate so many people there racist,homophobic,antisemitic list goes on and on.

So maybe their are groups out there worse than Britain First but please don't try and tell me that makes Britain First acceptable in any way shape and form.

Who says we can't deport terrorists?

You are still trying to defend the indefensible.

Hatred and intolerance are the bedrock of Britain First. They were also what Jo Cox was fighting against.

The fact that you can defend them and still say RIP beggars belief. "

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP given that Britain First have accused Labour MPs of treason how does that fit with your comments that they only target moderate Muslims?

And how does desecrating land where a proposed mosque is to he built fit in too opposing exteme Islam?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think we have our answer.

The OP claims BF are a positive force only three days after a BF supporter assassinates a British MP on the streets of her constituency.

Don't know about the rest of you, but this turns my stomach.

If you read what I have written you will see that I have said they say they are stamping out extremism but targeting a whole religion is wrong when the extremist terrorists have nothing to do with the muslim faith.

So they say they are for the good of the people but are actually causing more hate and division between faiths and cultures.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP given that Britain First have accused Labour MPs of treason how does that fit with your comments that they only target moderate Muslims?

And how does desecrating land where a proposed mosque is to he built fit in too opposing exteme Islam?

Once again when did I once say only targeting moderate muslims.sadly good muslims are getting terrorised by britain first because of extremists which are not even part of the muslim faith.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP given that Britain First have accused Labour MPs of treason how does that fit with your comments that they only target moderate Muslims?

And how does desecrating land where a proposed mosque is to he built fit in too opposing exteme Islam?

Once again when did I once say only targeting moderate muslims.sadly good muslims are getting terrorised by britain first because of extremists which are not even part of the muslim faith."

My point is fighting extremism is positive but not the way they do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All though it is no longer on their page Britain First were once gloriously trolled with a picture of Brighton Winter Gardens being a mosque. The comments were unintentionally hilarious.

I mention this to highlight how stupid Britain First suppotters are. How little they know about the country they are defendin. And how quick they are to believe what they are told if it fits with their agenda

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over a year ago

"OP given that Britain First have accused Labour MPs of treason how does that fit with your comments that they only target moderate Muslims?

And how does desecrating land where a proposed mosque is to he built fit in too opposing exteme Islam?

Once again when did I once say only targeting moderate muslims.sadly good muslims are getting terrorised by britain first because of extremists which are not even part of the muslim faith."

So you don't support Britain First then?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I think we have our answer.

The OP claims BF are a positive force only three days after a BF supporter assassinates a British MP on the streets of her constituency.

Don't know about the rest of you, but this turns my stomach.

So they say they are for the good of the people but are actually causing more hate and division between faiths and cultures."

I can understand why people are unhappy with what you say. You do seem to be changing your opinion depending on how the thread is panning out.

On the one hand, you say they are doing a good thing by stamping out extremism (so they should probably start with themselves and disband).

On the other hand, you state that what they do is a bad thing.

Simple question. Do you support/ agree with, or are you a member of, Britain First?

It's an easy yes or no answer.

If you ignore this I will assume you are in favour of them but are avoiding answering the question to avoid pissing people off.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hopefully after this tragedy right wing extremism will be stamped out.All this hate cannot be good for the future.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"All though it is no longer on their page Britain First were once gloriously trolled with a picture of Brighton Winter Gardens being a mosque. The comments were unintentionally hilarious.

Hatred does not accept rational thought.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think we have our answer.

The OP claims BF are a positive force only three days after a BF supporter assassinates a British MP on the streets of her constituency.

Don't know about the rest of you, but this turns my stomach.

So they say they are for the good of the people but are actually causing more hate and division between faiths and cultures.

I can understand why people are unhappy with what you say. You do seem to be changing your opinion depending on how the thread is panning out.

On the one hand, you say they are doing a good thing by stamping out extremism (so they should probably start with themselves and disband).

On the other hand, you state that what they do is a bad thing.

Simple question. Do you support/ agree with, or are you a member of, Britain First?

It's an easy yes or no answer.

If you ignore this I will assume you are in favour of them but are avoiding answering the question to avoid pissing people off. "

As I have said earlier not atall I am against extremism in any shape or form be it left wing or right wing.I just think positive stamping out of extremism is a good thing but clearly not the way britain first operate.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

They are supposed to be meeting in parliament to discuss the jo cox issue so hopefully they come up with new ways to stamp out extremism and hate.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP given that Britain First have accused Labour MPs of treason how does that fit with your comments that they only target moderate Muslims?

And how does desecrating land where a proposed mosque is to he built fit in too opposing exteme Islam?

Once again when did I once say only targeting moderate muslims.sadly good muslims are getting terrorised by britain first because of extremists which are not even part of the muslim faith.

So you don't support Britain First then? "

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I think we have our answer.

The OP claims BF are a positive force only three days after a BF supporter assassinates a British MP on the streets of her constituency.

Don't know about the rest of you, but this turns my stomach.

So they say they are for the good of the people but are actually causing more hate and division between faiths and cultures.

I can understand why people are unhappy with what you say. You do seem to be changing your opinion depending on how the thread is panning out.

On the one hand, you say they are doing a good thing by stamping out extremism (so they should probably start with themselves and disband).

On the other hand, you state that what they do is a bad thing.

Simple question. Do you support/ agree with, or are you a member of, Britain First?

It's an easy yes or no answer.

If you ignore this I will assume you are in favour of them but are avoiding answering the question to avoid pissing people off.

It may be the way you are using language because your viewpoint is unclear.

'Stamping out of extremism ' is rather extremist language for example.

What we need is enlightenment to counteract ignorance and intolerance. Stamping sounds aggressive and extreme.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

so if that is the case.... why on earth are you trying to put across "britain first" version of what happened as plausable.... then blaming the main stream media for not putting out their version.....

you are now trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think we have our answer.

The OP claims BF are a positive force only three days after a BF supporter assassinates a British MP on the streets of her constituency.

Don't know about the rest of you, but this turns my stomach.

So they say they are for the good of the people but are actually causing more hate and division between faiths and cultures.

I can understand why people are unhappy with what you say. You do seem to be changing your opinion depending on how the thread is panning out.

On the one hand, you say they are doing a good thing by stamping out extremism (so they should probably start with themselves and disband).

On the other hand, you state that what they do is a bad thing.

Simple question. Do you support/ agree with, or are you a member of, Britain First?

It's an easy yes or no answer.

If you ignore this I will assume you are in favour of them but are avoiding answering the question to avoid pissing people off.

It may be the way you are using language because your viewpoint is unclear.

'Stamping out of extremism ' is rather extremist language for example.

What we need is enlightenment to counteract ignorance and intolerance. Stamping sounds aggressive and extreme.

Obama and Cameron use this kind of language all the time it simply means extremist terrorism will not be tolerated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP given that Britain First have accused Labour MPs of treason how does that fit with your comments that they only target moderate Muslims?

And how does desecrating land where a proposed mosque is to he built fit in too opposing exteme Islam?

Once again when did I once say only targeting moderate muslims.sadly good muslims are getting terrorised by britain first because of extremists which are not even part of the muslim faith.

So you don't support Britain First then?

No "

Judging by your opening few posts on this thread I'm not convinced. You certainly seem to be speaking in support of the Britain First theory of events

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Is she actually dead?

Did this actually happen?

Can we rely on the “witnesses” as telling the truth? Can we trust the TV media?

Qui bono?

Was this contrived theatre?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

you are now trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth....

It's not just Britain's firsts version the first article that came out was saying that it was an argument which was broken up by jo but then their is the other version of events where he just attacked her.So different articles are coming up with different stories so you do not know what to believe and what actually happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP given that Britain First have accused Labour MPs of treason how does that fit with your comments that they only target moderate Muslims?

And how does desecrating land where a proposed mosque is to he built fit in too opposing exteme Islam?

Once again when did I once say only targeting moderate muslims.sadly good muslims are getting terrorised by britain first because of extremists which are not even part of the muslim faith.

My point is fighting extremism is positive but not the way they do it."

But still worded I'm a way that doesn't condemn Britain First. And not acknowledgin that those acts are in no way shape or form fighting extremism and are the actions of knuckle dragging racist thugs

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I think we have our answer.

The OP claims BF are a positive force only three days after a BF supporter assassinates a British MP on the streets of her constituency.

Don't know about the rest of you, but this turns my stomach.

So they say they are for the good of the people but are actually causing more hate and division between faiths and cultures.

I can understand why people are unhappy with what you say. You do seem to be changing your opinion depending on how the thread is panning out.

On the one hand, you say they are doing a good thing by stamping out extremism (so they should probably start with themselves and disband).

On the other hand, you state that what they do is a bad thing.

Simple question. Do you support/ agree with, or are you a member of, Britain First?

It's an easy yes or no answer.

If you ignore this I will assume you are in favour of them but are avoiding answering the question to avoid pissing people off.

It may be the way you are using language because your viewpoint is unclear.

'Stamping out of extremism ' is rather extremist language for example.

What we need is enlightenment to counteract ignorance and intolerance. Stamping sounds aggressive and extreme.

Obama and Cameron use this kind of language all the time it simply means extremist terrorism will not be tolerated.

No it really doesn't. Think about how governments have used extreme and aggressive language like this to justify limiting freedoms and to wage wars.

Any political group who uses the language of violence such as stamp (out terrorists) or kick (them out) always makes me sit up and take notice of what they're up to. And I include left, right, centre, religious, secular in that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Unless you are tommy mair yourself or was at the scene of the murder how do we know what source of media to trust?the papers are just their to sell stories regardless if it's truth or lies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you are now trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth....

Can you provide a credible source for the version of events that it was a fight she intervened in?

Do you honestly believe that he was fighting the old man who was also stabbed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whatever caused such a horrific string of events the main thing is this lead to the death of a innocent woman. Whether he was a BF supporter or not whether he has mental health issues or not whether he intended to kill Jo or not there is a family devastated and in mourning.

Jo was probably in the wrong place at the wrong time and for that her life was cruelly taken. The powers that be will get to the bottom of it eventually (I would hope).

RIP Jo and sincerest condolences to her loved ones xxx

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

you are now trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth....

Can you provide a credible source for the version of events that it was a fight she intervened in?

Do you honestly believe that he was fighting the old man who was also stabbed? "

I posted about this earlier with a quote from a witness. It has been ignored.

There was no altercation. He was waiting for her.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP given that Britain First have accused Labour MPs of treason how does that fit with your comments that they only target moderate Muslims?

And how does desecrating land where a proposed mosque is to he built fit in too opposing exteme Islam?

Once again when did I once say only targeting moderate muslims.sadly good muslims are getting terrorised by britain first because of extremists which are not even part of the muslim faith.

My point is fighting extremism is positive but not the way they do it.

But still worded I'm a way that doesn't condemn Britain First. And not acknowledgin that those acts are in no way shape or form fighting extremism and are the actions of knuckle dragging racist thugs "

Of course there are ways to go about things and terrorising innocent muslims and the public is obviously not one.If they want points to be heard they should take it to parliament but it's unlikely they will even bother because who will listen to them.

clamping down on radicalisation is a big problem in this country and Cameron needs to find a way to get tougher so we don't come under threat.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

you are now trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth....

Can you provide a credible source for the version of events that it was a fight she intervened in?

Do you honestly believe that he was fighting the old man who was also stabbed? "

When you put it like that it makes me think he was an older gentleman trying to protect her that would make sense it's just the conflicting media articles that made me question I guess.

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"There was no altercation. He was waiting for her."

Or was there a professional assassin there?

Is Mair a patsy?

Do you know that Jo Cox is really deceased?

Do we just follow the media narrative?

Didn't this also occur in Sweden three days before their referendum?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree this is a complex issue many are left to their own devices and they can rapidly get worse.mental illness can make people think extreme thoughts.

To me you're coming across as demonising the mentally ill.

'Oooh we better watch them incase they flip and kill someone'.

If that is your intention, rather than me just misunderstanding it, shame on you.

The mentally ill that are cared for and take their meds etc I'm sure can be very functional but when they are not getting the care they need they can deteriate

Yes they can deteriate. And the vast majority who do just become non functional. And if they do become a danger, in 99.9% of cases they are a danger to nobody but themselves

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It's clear that tommy views were opposite to jo's but was it her views on refugees?the neo nazi leader seems to think it most probably was and he didn't seem very sympathetic which leaves a bitter taste of conspiracy.Sadly if britain first or the neo nazis were behind it atall neither would admit to it.it would be like getting blood out of a stone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jesus! Wake up will ya!

I notice you've COMPLETELY ignored what he gave his name as in court.

Or does that not fit your little theory?

After the Orlando shootings, terrorist groups like ISIS couldn't wait to claim responsibility. I don't see any nationalist groups wanting to touch this with a 60 foot pole.

Terrorism is organised violence in the pursuit of political objectives. This doesn't appear to be organised and his actions don't seem linked to the objectives of any wider group.

You can argue semantics all day but if there's no political objectives to the violence then it's not terrorism."

I wouldn't say the very definition of it is semantics. There seemed to be no politcal goal to the pulse shootings. Would you not call that an act of terror?

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"It's clear that tommy views were opposite to jo's but was it her views on refugees?the neo nazi leader seems to think it most probably was and he didn't seem very sympathetic which leaves a bitter taste of conspiracy.Sadly if britain first or the neo nazis were behind it atall neither would admit to it.it would be like getting blood out of a stone."

Doesn't common sense tell you that WN's wouldn't commit a political murder on the eve of a referendum?

Isn't this clearly an Establishment" assassination?

Isn't it possible that Jo Cox is actually alive and well?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Jesus! Wake up will ya!

I notice you've COMPLETELY ignored what he gave his name as in court.

Or does that not fit your little theory?

After the Orlando shootings, terrorist groups like ISIS couldn't wait to claim responsibility. I don't see any nationalist groups wanting to touch this with a 60 foot pole.

Terrorism is organised violence in the pursuit of political objectives. This doesn't appear to be organised and his actions don't seem linked to the objectives of any wider group.

You can argue semantics all day but if there's no political objectives to the violence then it's not terrorism.

I wouldn't say the very definition of it is semantics. There seemed to be no politcal goal to the pulse shootings. Would you not call that an act of terror?"

That was a hate based act of terrorism which the media blamed on religion.very sad story

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Doesn't common sense tell you that WN's wouldn't commit a political murder on the eve of a referendum?

Isn't this clearly an Establishment" assassination?

Isn't it possible that Jo Cox is actually alive and well?"

are you serious?

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Doesn't common sense tell you that WN's wouldn't commit a political murder on the eve of a referendum?

Isn't this clearly an Establishment" assassination?

Isn't it possible that Jo Cox is actually alive and well?

are you serious?"

Are you able to address the questions?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Unbelievable. Just seen this on FB:

Liberty GB is a patriotic, anti-Islamisation party promoting Christian civilisation, Western freedoms and British culture.

Liberty GB'S Jack Buckby is to contest the Batley and Spen by-election following the murder Jo Cox MP.

....

Jack Buckby is a well known right wing half wit. Likes having his pic taken with BNP leader Nick Griffiths.

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Unbelievable.

Liberty GB'S Jack Buckby is to contest the Batley and Spen by-election following the murder."

In the event of the demise of an MP the seat will be uncontested.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Is she actually dead?

Did this actually happen?

Can we rely on the “witnesses” as telling the truth? Can we trust the TV media?

Qui bono?

Was this contrived theatre?

"
i think we can safely say sadly it did happen

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

" The first report I heard gave the impression that an attack was already in progress when she arrived on the scene. "

Do you happen to know where this article was from what paper?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Doesn't common sense tell you that WN's wouldn't commit a political murder on the eve of a referendum?

Isn't this clearly an Establishment" assassination?

Isn't it possible that Jo Cox is actually alive and well?

are you serious?

Are you able to address the questions?"

they are a bit elvis lives in a bus on the moon type theories, they are not questions..

common sense and extreme radicalised people either as individuals or organised groups is a bit of an oxymoron..

i don't think he was part of any 'plan' by britain first but that he was influenced which has beenkn suggested given his historical links and his comments in court..

a big NO i don't for a millisecond think it was an establishment assassination..

and the last one is quite frankly offensive and vile given her husband or a close family member will have formally identified her..

its beyond lacking in common sense to suggest it..

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Is she actually dead?

Did this actually happen?

Can we rely on the “witnesses” as telling the truth? Can we trust the TV media?

Qui bono?

Was this contrived theatre?

i think we can safely say sadly it did happen"

How?

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Doesn't common sense tell you that WN's wouldn't commit a political murder on the eve of a referendum?

Isn't this clearly an Establishment" assassination?

Isn't it possible that Jo Cox is actually alive and well?

are you serious?

Are you able to address the questions?

they are a bit elvis lives in a bus on the moon type theories, they are not questions..

common sense and extreme radicalised people either as individuals or organised groups is a bit of an oxymoron..

i don't think he was part of any 'plan' by britain first but that he was influenced which has beenkn suggested given his historical links and his comments in court..

a big NO i don't for a millisecond think it was an establishment assassination..

and the last one is quite frankly offensive and vile given her husband or a close family member will have formally identified her..

its beyond lacking in common sense to suggest it.."

Can you provide evidence that backs up your gainsaying?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some good news too...

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/19/rival-mps-to-sit-together-in-parliament-to-pay-tribute-to-jo-cox-tomorrow-5953578/

Members from all the major parties backed a letter from Tory MP Jason McCartney, which asked speaker of the house John Bercow to make the change for tomorrow only.

It would allow backbench MPs to sit with their rivals.

Mr McCartney, MP for Colne Valley, wrote: ‘Dear Mr Speaker. Thank you for coming to West Yorkshire today to join in the tributes to Jo Cox MP.

‘As you saw MPs of all parties are united in grief and admiration for Jo.

‘Would it please be possible [to] break with tradition and for MPs to mix cross party on the benches on Monday to show we are united in fighting hatred.

‘King regards, Jason.’

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jesus! Wake up will ya!

I notice you've COMPLETELY ignored what he gave his name as in court.

Or does that not fit your little theory?

After the Orlando shootings, terrorist groups like ISIS couldn't wait to claim responsibility. I don't see any nationalist groups wanting to touch this with a 60 foot pole.

Terrorism is organised violence in the pursuit of political objectives. This doesn't appear to be organised and his actions don't seem linked to the objectives of any wider group.

You can argue semantics all day but if there's no political objectives to the violence then it's not terrorism.

I wouldn't say the very definition of it is semantics. There seemed to be no politcal goal to the pulse shootings. Would you not call that an act of terror?"

No, I'd call it a mass murder. I don't see any agenda behind it, it's a tragic event carried out by a very sick individual.

In this case, I can't see how anyone with far right views would benefit from the killing of a popular remain campaigner. If anything it's going to generate sympathy for the side she was a member of. That's why it's difficult to imagine why this guy would be working as part of a group.

It's not surprising that a sick individual is drawn towards extremist parties though.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Unbelievable.

Liberty GB'S Jack Buckby is to contest the Batley and Spen by-election following the murder.

In the event of the demise of an MP the seat will be uncontested."

True. However, they make this announcement in the wake of the announcements of the Tories, UKIP, Lib Dems and Greens who have all announced that they will not contest the seat out of respect for what she believed in.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Unbelievable. Just seen this on FB:

Liberty GB is a patriotic, anti-Islamisation party promoting Christian civilisation, Western freedoms and British culture.

Liberty GB'S Jack Buckby is to contest the Batley and Spen by-election following the murder Jo Cox MP.

....

Jack Buckby is a well known right wing half wit. Likes having his pic taken with BNP leader Nick Griffiths."

only serves to illustrate that those on the margins of society lack any decency..

sadly there will be some on here who will no doubt support his 'right' to do so..

it's clearly an attempt to create a reaction i would hope that when campaigning starts that the decent people in that constituency simply turn their backs on him and that the media ignore also his campaign..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you are now trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth....

Can you provide a credible source for the version of events that it was a fight she intervened in?

Do you honestly believe that he was fighting the old man who was also stabbed?

When you put it like that it makes me think he was an older gentleman trying to protect her that would make sense it's just the conflicting media articles that made me question I guess."

What conflicting media stories? You have yet to quote a credible source for the other version of events

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Doesn't common sense tell you that WN's wouldn't commit a political murder on the eve of a referendum?

Isn't this clearly an Establishment" assassination?

Isn't it possible that Jo Cox is actually alive and well?

are you serious?"

Illuminati

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Doesn't common sense tell you that WN's wouldn't commit a political murder on the eve of a referendum?

Isn't this clearly an Establishment" assassination?

Isn't it possible that Jo Cox is actually alive and well?

are you serious?

Are you able to address the questions?

they are a bit elvis lives in a bus on the moon type theories, they are not questions..

common sense and extreme radicalised people either as individuals or organised groups is a bit of an oxymoron..

i don't think he was part of any 'plan' by britain first but that he was influenced which has beenkn suggested given his historical links and his comments in court..

a big NO i don't for a millisecond think it was an establishment assassination..

and the last one is quite frankly offensive and vile given her husband or a close family member will have formally identified her..

its beyond lacking in common sense to suggest it..

Can you provide evidence that backs up your gainsaying?"

you were quick enough on the other thread to try and divert any attention away from what has now been shown to have happened..

gave an indicator where your coming from and your 'contribution' on this one only serve's to confirm that..

that's fine this is an open forum but i will not be responding to you again..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

you are now trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth....

Can you provide a credible source for the version of events that it was a fight she intervened in?

Do you honestly believe that he was fighting the old man who was also stabbed?

When you put it like that it makes me think he was an older gentleman trying to protect her that would make sense it's just the conflicting media articles that made me question I guess.

What conflicting media stories? You have yet to quote a credible source for the other version of events "

My original source was the britain first declaration but someone else on this thread mentioned the first article that came out was a different version was trying to ask the gentleman but I think he's disappeared.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

you are now trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth....

Can you provide a credible source for the version of events that it was a fight she intervened in?

Do you honestly believe that he was fighting the old man who was also stabbed?

When you put it like that it makes me think he was an older gentleman trying to protect her that would make sense it's just the conflicting media articles that made me question I guess.

What conflicting media stories? You have yet to quote a credible source for the other version of events

Maybe he was a BF supporter and was simply peddling their lies. I've read reports in the Independent, Guardian, BBC, Express, Huffpost, Buzzfeed, ITV and not seen anything like that.

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Doesn't common sense tell you that WN's wouldn't commit a political murder on the eve of a referendum?

Isn't this clearly an Establishment" assassination?

Isn't it possible that Jo Cox is actually alive and well?

are you serious?

Are you able to address the questions?

they are a bit elvis lives in a bus on the moon type theories, they are not questions..

common sense and extreme radicalised people either as individuals or organised groups is a bit of an oxymoron..

i don't think he was part of any 'plan' by britain first but that he was influenced which has beenkn suggested given his historical links and his comments in court..

a big NO i don't for a millisecond think it was an establishment assassination..

and the last one is quite frankly offensive and vile given her husband or a close family member will have formally identified her..

its beyond lacking in common sense to suggest it..

Can you provide evidence that backs up your gainsaying?

you were quick enough on the other thread to try and divert any attention away from what has now been shown to have happened..

gave an indicator where your coming from and your 'contribution' on this one only serve's to confirm that..

that's fine this is an open forum but i will not be responding to you again..

Unable to address the points raised you throw out your dummy.

Described as and looking like a very frail man, is Mair a patsy?

Could this be an 'Establishment' assassination?

Doesn't it resemble the events in Sweden before their referendum?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It has now been cleared up that he was nothing to do with britain first it was twisted by the papers and he apparently shouted put britain first.

OP this was your third post on this thread. Now that you have stated that you aren't a supporter of Britain First I'm struggling with the context for this post? Cleared up by whom?

And as more and more evidence comes to light that he was a right wing extremist why as a non supporter if Britain First are you trying to defend them and distance Mair from the organisation,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you are now trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth....

Can you provide a credible source for the version of events that it was a fight she intervened in?

Do you honestly believe that he was fighting the old man who was also stabbed?

When you put it like that it makes me think he was an older gentleman trying to protect her that would make sense it's just the conflicting media articles that made me question I guess.

What conflicting media stories? You have yet to quote a credible source for the other version of events

So as a non Britain First suppotter, you believed their version of events over all other media sources?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It has now been cleared up that he was nothing to do with britain first it was twisted by the papers and he apparently shouted put britain first.

OP this was your third post on this thread. Now that you have stated that you aren't a supporter of Britain First I'm struggling with the context for this post? Cleared up by whom?

And as more and more evidence comes to light that he was a right wing extremist why as a non supporter if Britain First are you trying to defend them and distance Mair from the organisation,"

You asked for a source which I do not have myself I only came across the bf statement on YouTube but one or two others seem to have seen an article which states she broke up a fight.I myself can't provide a credible source I'm afraid.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"I only came across the bf statement on YouTube"

Was it a suggested link?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"It has now been cleared up that he was nothing to do with britain first it was twisted by the papers and he apparently shouted put britain first.

OP this was your third post on this thread. Now that you have stated that you aren't a supporter of Britain First I'm struggling with the context for this post? Cleared up by whom?

And as more and more evidence comes to light that he was a right wing extremist why as a non supporter if Britain First are you trying to defend them and distance Mair from the organisation,

I've posted the source on your other thread. And it's not a credible source! Lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

you are now trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth....

Can you provide a credible source for the version of events that it was a fight she intervened in?

Do you honestly believe that he was fighting the old man who was also stabbed?

When you put it like that it makes me think he was an older gentleman trying to protect her that would make sense it's just the conflicting media articles that made me question I guess.

What conflicting media stories? You have yet to quote a credible source for the other version of events

So as a non Britain First suppotter, you believed their version of events over all other media sources?"

It appears that their version would appear to be least credible now I have seen a few different articles.was a very clever story to protect their reputation.I just do not trust the media in general the way they twist everything nowadays.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It has now been cleared up that he was nothing to do with britain first it was twisted by the papers and he apparently shouted put britain first.

OP this was your third post on this thread. Now that you have stated that you aren't a supporter of Britain First I'm struggling with the context for this post? Cleared up by whom?

And as more and more evidence comes to light that he was a right wing extremist why as a non supporter if Britain First are you trying to defend them and distance Mair from the organisation,

I've posted the source on your other thread. And it's not a credible source! Lol"

Fair play any idea what it was?yh there was anot her thread on this alot longer than this one lol

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

you are now trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth....

Can you provide a credible source for the version of events that it was a fight she intervened in?

Do you honestly believe that he was fighting the old man who was also stabbed?

When you put it like that it makes me think he was an older gentleman trying to protect her that would make sense it's just the conflicting media articles that made me question I guess.

What conflicting media stories? You have yet to quote a credible source for the other version of events

So as a non Britain First suppotter, you believed their version of events over all other media sources?

That's why I read several different sources to see what facts they have in common.

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over a year ago

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"I only came across the bf statement on YouTube

Was it a suggested link?

Type in jo cox jayda fransen statement"

I was asking how you found the link. What took you to it?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I only came across the bf statement on YouTube

Was it a suggested link?

Type in jo cox jayda fransen statement

I was asking how you found the link. What took you to it? "

I just searched for jo cox shooting jayda fransen wanted to hear what she had to say.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I only came across the bf statement on YouTube

Was it a suggested link?

Type in jo cox jayda fransen statement

I was asking how you found the link. What took you to it? "

There was a reference to a fight on the Perez Hilton site posted two days ago.

Maybe that's where BF got their information.

So pathetic it's amusing.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"I only came across the bf statement on YouTube

Was it a suggested link?

Type in jo cox jayda fransen statement

I was asking how you found the link. What took you to it?

I just searched for jo cox shooting jayda fransen wanted to hear what she had to say."

I'd never heard of her before.

How nice that she has fans.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I only came across the bf statement on YouTube

Was it a suggested link?

Type in jo cox jayda fransen statement

I was asking how you found the link. What took you to it?

There was a reference to a fight on the Perez Hilton site posted two days ago.

Maybe that's where BF got their information.

So pathetic it's amusing. "

Lool least that's all cleared up now Perez Hilton haha

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Is she actually dead?

Did this actually happen?

Can we rely on the “witnesses” as telling the truth? Can we trust the TV media?

Qui bono?

Was this contrived theatre?

i think we can safely say sadly it did happen

How?"
do you actually believe what your saying?

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Is she actually dead?

Did this actually happen?

Can we rely on the “witnesses” as telling the truth? Can we trust the TV media?

Qui bono?

Was this contrived theatre?

i think we can safely say sadly it did happen

How?do you actually believe what your saying?"

Do you actually believe what you have been told????

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Is she actually dead?

Did this actually happen?

Can we rely on the “witnesses” as telling the truth? Can we trust the TV media?

Qui bono?

Was this contrived theatre?

i think we can safely say sadly it did happen

How?do you actually believe what your saying?

Do you actually believe what you have been told????"

Instead of questioning what people believe why not post what you think happened?

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Is she actually dead?

Did this actually happen?

Can we rely on the “witnesses” as telling the truth? Can we trust the TV media?

Qui bono?

Was this contrived theatre?

i think we can safely say sadly it did happen

How?do you actually believe what your saying?

Do you actually believe what you have been told????

Instead of questioning what people believe why not post what you think happened? "

That is the point. We don't know and furthermore basic questions cannot be answered.

Why do people react on a purely emotional level instead of asking questions?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Is she actually dead?

Did this actually happen?

Can we rely on the “witnesses” as telling the truth? Can we trust the TV media?

Qui bono?

Was this contrived theatre?

i think we can safely say sadly it did happen

How?do you actually believe what your saying?

Do you actually believe what you have been told????"
yes i believe she was murdered, that she left children and a husband and i believe all the facts havent come out

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Is she actually dead?

Did this actually happen?

Can we rely on the “witnesses” as telling the truth? Can we trust the TV media?

Qui bono?

Was this contrived theatre?

i think we can safely say sadly it did happen

How?do you actually believe what your saying?

Do you actually believe what you have been told????

Instead of questioning what people believe why not post what you think happened?

That is the point. We don't know and furthermore basic questions cannot be answered.

Why do people react on a purely emotional level instead of asking questions?"

It's called a discussion. Not twenty questions.

Do you have anything to add to the discussion other than repetitive questions?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Must be the illuminati lol

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Is she actually dead?

Did this actually happen?

Can we rely on the “witnesses” as telling the truth? Can we trust the TV media?

Qui bono?

Was this contrived theatre?

i think we can safely say sadly it did happen

How?do you actually believe what your saying?

Do you actually believe what you have been told????

Instead of questioning what people believe why not post what you think happened?

That is the point. We don't know and furthermore basic questions cannot be answered.

Why do people react on a purely emotional level instead of asking questions?

It's called a discussion. Not twenty questions.

Do you have anything to add to the discussion other than repetitive questions?"

A discussion without questions, I see.

Why not discuss the issues raised in the questions??

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Is she actually dead?

Did this actually happen?

Can we rely on the “witnesses” as telling the truth? Can we trust the TV media?

Qui bono?

Was this contrived theatre?

i think we can safely say sadly it did happen

How?do you actually believe what your saying?

Do you actually believe what you have been told????

Instead of questioning what people believe why not post what you think happened?

That is the point. We don't know and furthermore basic questions cannot be answered.

Why do people react on a purely emotional level instead of asking questions?

It's called a discussion. Not twenty questions.

Do you have anything to add to the discussion other than repetitive questions?

A discussion without questions, I see.

Why not discuss the issues raised in the questions??"

No not what I said. Read it again.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Is she actually dead?

Did this actually happen?

Can we rely on the “witnesses” as telling the truth? Can we trust the TV media?

Qui bono?

Was this contrived theatre?

i think we can safely say sadly it did happen

How?do you actually believe what your saying?

Do you actually believe what you have been told????

Instead of questioning what people believe why not post what you think happened?

That is the point. We don't know and furthermore basic questions cannot be answered.

Why do people react on a purely emotional level instead of asking questions?

It's called a discussion. Not twenty questions.

Do you have anything to add to the discussion other than repetitive questions?

A discussion without questions, I see.

Why not discuss the issues raised in the questions??

No not what I said. Read it again. "

This sounds like trolling to get a reaction.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Which source?

No association, other than the picture of him at a Britain First rally, standing behind a Britain First banner with several other Britain First activists.

Nope, no association with them at all.

Ever........

Don't forget he just happened to have a gun and knife on him, and the name he gave in court was misheard too.

Damn the press!

I expect the gun and knife just "fell" into his pocket accidentally.

In the same way that men attend late night A & E having "fallen" into their vacuum cleaners.

My understanding is that there was an altercation that Jo tried to intervene, during which she was stabbed and shot.

The individual who committed the crime is know to have mental health issues.

His mental health could have made him susseptible to radical ideas.

Whichever way you look at it, this is a very sad story.

I think it also shows that the middle ground of tolerance understanding and acceptance we used to have is dissappearing in a state of two extremes.

The police have said that articles related to Mrs Cox were found at the accused's home. They have stated this was a targetted attack.

Photos show Mair giving a nazi salute whilst wearing a nazi Blood and Honour tee shirt, and taking part in a Britain First demo whilst holding a Britain First banner with other BF members.

All this info is freely available.

The accused has been charged at the Old Bailey in London, not in West Yorkshire.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is she actually dead?

Did this actually happen?

Can we rely on the “witnesses” as telling the truth? Can we trust the TV media?

Qui bono?

Was this contrived theatre?

i think we can safely say sadly it did happen

How?do you actually believe what your saying?

Do you actually believe what you have been told????

Instead of questioning what people believe why not post what you think happened?

That is the point. We don't know and furthermore basic questions cannot be answered.

Why do people react on a purely emotional level instead of asking questions?

It's called a discussion. Not twenty questions.

Do you have anything to add to the discussion other than repetitive questions?

A discussion without questions, I see.

Why not discuss the issues raised in the questions??

No not what I said. Read it again.

This sounds like trolling to get a reaction."

Actually it sounds like a half wit.

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over a year ago

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