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"It seems Jo Cox's killer had been radicalised by white supremacy. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/17/jo-cox-suspect-thomas-mair-bought-gun-manuals-from-us-neo-nazis-group-claims" I'm never comfortable with that term. He might have been evil. He might have had a mental issue leaving him open to influence. He might have been a combination of those things. | |||
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"It seems Jo Cox's killer had been radicalised by white supremacy. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/17/jo-cox-suspect-thomas-mair-bought-gun-manuals-from-us-neo-nazis-group-claims" really...shocking you mean there's a terrorist and he is not Muslim? | |||
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" He might have been evil. He might have had a mental issue leaving him open to influence. He might have been a combination of those things." Isn't that the point of radicalisation? It can take hold of vulnerable people, or people who are looking for an outlet for whatever they feel. Lots of info that the Orlando shooter was aggressive, or showed those tendancies from a young age. | |||
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"It seems Jo Cox's killer had been radicalised by white supremacy. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/17/jo-cox-suspect-thomas-mair-bought-gun-manuals-from-us-neo-nazis-group-claims really...shocking you mean there's a terrorist and he is not Muslim?" Serious topic but....  | |||
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" He might have been evil. He might have had a mental issue leaving him open to influence. He might have been a combination of those things. Isn't that the point of radicalisation? It can take hold of vulnerable people, or people who are looking for an outlet for whatever they feel. Lots of info that the Orlando shooter was aggressive, or showed those tendancies from a young age. " I have been thinking about the different narratives we get dependent only on the religion or colour of the assailant/terrorist. Personally, I think everyone committing such a horrendously violent attack has a mental ill health issue, that they are vulnerable, susceptible to the influence of those that would want to use them to press forward a particular world _iew. I think people such as these find a sense of belonging and acceptance in these groups or by aligning to the ideology and that is what helps justify their actions in their minds. However, if he had shouted Allahu Akbar instead of Britain First then the reports would not ever be couched in terms of his mental ill health. The RIP thread had a comment that he probably lived at home with his mother and was a lonely person with mental ill health. I'd bet that holds true for some of the Muslims committing heinous attacks too, just the narrative is different. | |||
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" He might have been evil. He might have had a mental issue leaving him open to influence. He might have been a combination of those things. Isn't that the point of radicalisation? It can take hold of vulnerable people, or people who are looking for an outlet for whatever they feel. Lots of info that the Orlando shooter was aggressive, or showed those tendancies from a young age. I have been thinking about the different narratives we get dependent only on the religion or colour of the assailant/terrorist. Personally, I think everyone committing such a horrendously violent attack has a mental ill health issue, that they are vulnerable, susceptible to the influence of those that would want to use them to press forward a particular world _iew. I think people such as these find a sense of belonging and acceptance in these groups or by aligning to the ideology and that is what helps justify their actions in their minds. However, if he had shouted Allahu Akbar instead of Britain First then the reports would not ever be couched in terms of his mental ill health. The RIP thread had a comment that he probably lived at home with his mother and was a lonely person with mental ill health. I'd bet that holds true for some of the Muslims committing heinous attacks too, just the narrative is different. " Undoubtedly 
It's also interesting to see many people on Twitter and the Daily Mail ccomment section talk about not using this as a political message.
If I went back to look at previous news articles or even past Fab threads concerning terrorist attacks, would I see mention of political messages? | |||
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"In all the grief about Jo Cox we have forgotten the 77 year old man also attacked and injured by Mair. I hope he is recovering well. " There was talk on the news about an elderly Pakistani man involved in the attack - is this him do you think? | |||
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"In all the grief about Jo Cox we have forgotten the 77 year old man also attacked and injured by Mair. I hope he is recovering well. There was talk on the news about an elderly Pakistani man involved in the attack - is this him do you think? " Possibly. I can't find a name. Just reference that a 77 year old man was also attacked and taken to hospital. | |||
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"In all the grief about Jo Cox we have forgotten the 77 year old man also attacked and injured by Mair. I hope he is recovering well. There was talk on the news about an elderly Pakistani man involved in the attack - is this him do you think? Possibly. I can't find a name. Just reference that a 77 year old man was also attacked and taken to hospital." I hope the police are keeping an eye on the witness who spoke about hearing something related to Britain first. He might face any manner of threats. He seemed very shaken up yesterday with all those cameras and microphones in his face. | |||
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"This is just another prime example of where "care in the community" has gone wrong ....social services are stretched to breaking point .... cuts to their budgets .... not enough social workers now .. This guy was obviously a vulnerable adult who needed support .... there are so many of these cases ..... and there will be many more ... " totally in agreement with you on the cuts in general, mental health has always been less resourced even before the time of austerity we now find ourselves in.. have family who work in that area and its often at breaking point however we fully don't know yet whether his care provision had 'gaps or had failed' if indeed he was a recipient of such or even if that was contributory to his actions.. one thing i do know is that the political narrative is extreme with some, has gone too far and with anyone vulnerable and easily influenced that may well be an issue and a worrying combination.. | |||
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"I hope the police are keeping an eye on the witness who spoke about hearing something related to Britain first. He might face any manner of threats. He seemed very shaken up yesterday with all those cameras and microphones in his face. " Ahmed Tahir has posted a message in his launderette's window : "Please note, I did not tackle the gunman. And no one shouted Britain First at any time." Maria Eagle started then deleted the "Britain first" extrapolation. | |||
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"It seems Jo Cox's killer had been radicalised by white supremacy. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/17/jo-cox-suspect-thomas-mair-bought-gun-manuals-from-us-neo-nazis-group-claims really...shocking you mean there's a terrorist and he is not Muslim?" I know I shouldn't but  | |||
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"It seems Jo Cox's killer had been radicalised by white supremacy. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/17/jo-cox-suspect-thomas-mair-bought-gun-manuals-from-us-neo-nazis-group-claims really...shocking you mean there's a terrorist and he is not Muslim? Serious topic but.... "You too  | |||
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"I hope the police are keeping an eye on the witness who spoke about hearing something related to Britain first. He might face any manner of threats. He seemed very shaken up yesterday with all those cameras and microphones in his face. Ahmed Tahir has posted a message in his launderette's window : "Please note, I did not tackle the gunman. And no one shouted Britain First at any time." Maria Eagle started then deleted the "Britain first" extrapolation. " Another eye witness, heard it and spoke to reporters yesterday. | |||
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"I hope the police are keeping an eye on the witness who spoke about hearing something related to Britain first. He might face any manner of threats. He seemed very shaken up yesterday with all those cameras and microphones in his face. Ahmed Tahir has posted a message in his launderette's window : "Please note, I did not tackle the gunman. And no one shouted Britain First at any time." Maria Eagle started then deleted the "Britain first" extrapolation. Another eye witness, heard it and spoke to reporters yesterday. " Tahir says : "No one" | |||
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"In all the grief about Jo Cox we have forgotten the 77 year old man also attacked and injured by Mair. I hope he is recovering well. There was talk on the news about an elderly Pakistani man involved in the attack - is this him do you think? Possibly. I can't find a name. Just reference that a 77 year old man was also attacked and taken to hospital. I hope the police are keeping an eye on the witness who spoke about hearing something related to Britain first. He might face any manner of threats. He seemed very shaken up yesterday with all those cameras and microphones in his face. " . It's very interesting reading your synopsis on narratives, however your pushing one yourself now!. . . As far as I've read he's a man who had mental health issues for a long time!. . Now if you want to go into a debate about how and when people get radicalised, fine but as I've said countlessly, it's really easy to see how people become radicalised by white racist groups and their literature, its exactly the same as radical Islam I'm afraid!. No different just different skin colour. If you happened to go back 20-40 years you'd see the exact same principals used for white Irish terrorist, yes we were the terrorists for a long long time, I'm from an Irish family forced to move to the UK from religious beliefs, in my case protestants can't marry Catholics... And it's not hard to see where that Prejudice comes from, from the church. . . The real story here is the fact that mental health care has been severely underfunded for decades in this country and that people who really shouldn't be outside on their own have been thrown out from secure units all over the country for decades, there's been dozens of members of the public killed by mentally ill people for years and years, maybe the government will do something about it now but my fear is there'll do fuck all except get themselves armed guards! | |||
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" He might have been evil. He might have had a mental issue leaving him open to influence. He might have been a combination of those things. Isn't that the point of radicalisation? It can take hold of vulnerable people, or people who are looking for an outlet for whatever they feel. Lots of info that the Orlando shooter was aggressive, or showed those tendancies from a young age. I have been thinking about the different narratives we get dependent only on the religion or colour of the assailant/terrorist. Personally, I think everyone committing such a horrendously violent attack has a mental ill health issue, that they are vulnerable, susceptible to the influence of those that would want to use them to press forward a particular world _iew. I think people such as these find a sense of belonging and acceptance in these groups or by aligning to the ideology and that is what helps justify their actions in their minds. However, if he had shouted Allahu Akbar instead of Britain First then the reports would not ever be couched in terms of his mental ill health. The RIP thread had a comment that he probably lived at home with his mother and was a lonely person with mental ill health. I'd bet that holds true for some of the Muslims committing heinous attacks too, just the narrative is different. " I made that comment because I knew once it was a white person found to have carried out this heinous act, every excuse under the sun would be trotted out to "justify" it: he was mentally ill, he was a loner, he felt disenfranchised, he lived with his mum etc. Whereby if a Muslim had carried it out...well, we know what would have been reported. I'm "shocked" to learn he had mental health issues, was a loner...  | |||
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"I hope the police are keeping an eye on the witness who spoke about hearing something related to Britain first. He might face any manner of threats. He seemed very shaken up yesterday with all those cameras and microphones in his face. Ahmed Tahir has posted a message in his launderette's window : "Please note, I did not tackle the gunman. And no one shouted Britain First at any time." Maria Eagle started then deleted the "Britain first" extrapolation. Another eye witness, heard it and spoke to reporters yesterday. Tahir says : "No one"" The man was very clear on what he heard and gave his account to reporters. | |||
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"Ahmed Tahir has posted a message in his launderette's window : "Please note, I did not tackle the gunman. And no one shouted Britain First at any time." Maria Eagle started then deleted the "Britain first" extrapolation. Another eye witness, heard it and spoke to reporters yesterday. Tahir says : "No one" The man was very clear on what he heard and gave his account to reporters. " But not to the police | |||
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"In all the grief about Jo Cox we have forgotten the 77 year old man also attacked and injured by Mair. I hope he is recovering well. There was talk on the news about an elderly Pakistani man involved in the attack - is this him do you think? Possibly. I can't find a name. Just reference that a 77 year old man was also attacked and taken to hospital. I hope the police are keeping an eye on the witness who spoke about hearing something related to Britain first. He might face any manner of threats. He seemed very shaken up yesterday with all those cameras and microphones in his face. . It's very interesting reading your synopsis on narratives, however your pushing one yourself now!. . . As far as I've read he's a man who had mental health issues for a long time!. . Now if you want to go into a debate about how and when people get radicalised, fine but as I've said countlessly, it's really easy to see how people become radicalised by white racist groups and their literature, its exactly the same as radical Islam I'm afraid!. No different just different skin colour. If you happened to go back 20-40 years you'd see the exact same principals used for white Irish terrorist, yes we were the terrorists for a long long time, I'm from an Irish family forced to move to the UK from religious beliefs, in my case protestants can't marry Catholics... And it's not hard to see where that Prejudice comes from, from the church. . . The real story here is the fact that mental health care has been severely underfunded for decades in this country and that people who really shouldn't be outside on their own have been thrown out from secure units all over the country for decades, there's been dozens of members of the public killed by mentally ill people for years and years, maybe the government will do something about it now but my fear is there'll do fuck all except get themselves armed guards!" The story is that a man was radicalised to a point that he carried out an attack that killed an MP. Believe something else if it makes you feel better. | |||
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"Ahmed Tahir has posted a message in his launderette's window : "Please note, I did not tackle the gunman. And no one shouted Britain First at any time." Maria Eagle started then deleted the "Britain first" extrapolation. Another eye witness, heard it and spoke to reporters yesterday. Tahir says : "No one" The man was very clear on what he heard and gave his account to reporters. But not to the police " Hopefully he has by now. | |||
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" He might have been evil. He might have had a mental issue leaving him open to influence. He might have been a combination of those things. Isn't that the point of radicalisation? It can take hold of vulnerable people, or people who are looking for an outlet for whatever they feel. Lots of info that the Orlando shooter was aggressive, or showed those tendancies from a young age. " The reason that I don't feel comfortable with the term is that it seeks to impose a simple one-size-fits-all explanation. Was he vulnerable? Influenced? Mentally impaired? Evil? Nature? Nurture? It is likely to be a combination of many factors. | |||
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" He might have been evil. He might have had a mental issue leaving him open to influence. He might have been a combination of those things. Isn't that the point of radicalisation? It can take hold of vulnerable people, or people who are looking for an outlet for whatever they feel. Lots of info that the Orlando shooter was aggressive, or showed those tendancies from a young age. The reason that I don't feel comfortable with the term is that it seeks to impose a simple one-size-fits-all explanation. Was he vulnerable? Influenced? Mentally impaired? Evil? Nature? Nurture? It is likely to be a combination of many factors." You don't accidentally buy a gun manual from a white supremacist web site. How he got to that point is important but he was clearly going down a particular path. | |||
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" . Now if you want to go into a debate about how and when people get radicalised, fine but as I've said countlessly, it's really easy to see how people become radicalised by white racist groups and their literature, its exactly the same as radical Islam I'm afraid!. No different just different skin colour. If you happened to go back 20-40 years you'd see the exact same principals used for white Irish terrorist, yes we were the terrorists for a long long time, I'm from an Irish family forced to move to the UK from religious beliefs, in my case protestants can't marry Catholics... And it's not hard to see where that Prejudice comes from, from the church. . . The story is that a man was radicalised to a point that he carried out an attack that killed an MP. Believe something else if it makes you feel better. " . I think that paragraph I wrote explained that perfectly well!. . Here it is again for you. You take somebody, and ram into their head nonsense from whichever book takes your fancy be it a kkk one or the Qur'an, feed them enough shit and they'll dance the tune you wish!. I'll let you guess why before brown Muslim terrorists it was white Catholic Irish terrorists and before that white protestant terrorists.... No racism, just plain old white religious fanatics. Asking people to stop blaming all Irish people didn't cure white Irish terrorism, what cured it was 911 when eventually the narrative for stupid ignorant Irish terrorists was this fucking religious bullshit is no longer tolerable!. | |||
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" . Now if you want to go into a debate about how and when people get radicalised, fine but as I've said countlessly, it's really easy to see how people become radicalised by white racist groups and their literature, its exactly the same as radical Islam I'm afraid!. No different just different skin colour. If you happened to go back 20-40 years you'd see the exact same principals used for white Irish terrorist, yes we were the terrorists for a long long time, I'm from an Irish family forced to move to the UK from religious beliefs, in my case protestants can't marry Catholics... And it's not hard to see where that Prejudice comes from, from the church. . . The story is that a man was radicalised to a point that he carried out an attack that killed an MP. Believe something else if it makes you feel better. . I think that paragraph I wrote explained that perfectly well!. . Here it is again for you. You take somebody, and ram into their head nonsense from whichever book takes your fancy be it a kkk one or the Qur'an, feed them enough shit and they'll dance the tune you wish!. I'll let you guess why before brown Muslim terrorists it was white Catholic Irish terrorists and before that white protestant terrorists.... No racism, just plain old white religious fanatics. Asking people to stop blaming all Irish people didn't cure white Irish terrorism, what cured it was 911 when eventually the narrative for stupid ignorant Irish terrorists was this fucking religious bullshit is no longer tolerable!. " I've never said there was a difference between types of radicalisation. You talked about Islamic _iews, how dogmatic and anti-LGBT they were in the Orlando case. I'm posting about what's pertinent to this case as it appears in the news. | |||
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"mental health issues or not, fact is he managed to get a gun and ammo, where from" Gun was home made apparently. Ammunition can be purchased in some Eastern European countries and even easier if the hand held was designed to fire shotgun cartridges. | |||
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"it does feel a bit like the threads i see on my american uni site... brown guy shoots up people..... terrorist.... white guy shoots up people.... lone wolf, mental issues..... the fact that CTU (counter terrorist unit) are part of this investigation suggest they think there may be links.... but please, if it turns out he is a domestic terrorist... let call it that and not couch it behind mental issues... I don't care if a person is radicalise by jihadist.. or by right wing groups... its all the same" Yup. Whatever the outcome, he was a bad man. A murderer. I don't think anyone should lay the blame outside others' doors. No excuse for any violence. No excuse for extremism. But this was an individual who decided to kill someone. | |||
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" . Now if you want to go into a debate about how and when people get radicalised, fine but as I've said countlessly, it's really easy to see how people become radicalised by white racist groups and their literature, its exactly the same as radical Islam I'm afraid!. No different just different skin colour. If you happened to go back 20-40 years you'd see the exact same principals used for white Irish terrorist, yes we were the terrorists for a long long time, I'm from an Irish family forced to move to the UK from religious beliefs, in my case protestants can't marry Catholics... And it's not hard to see where that Prejudice comes from, from the church. . . The story is that a man was radicalised to a point that he carried out an attack that killed an MP. Believe something else if it makes you feel better. . I think that paragraph I wrote explained that perfectly well!. . Here it is again for you. You take somebody, and ram into their head nonsense from whichever book takes your fancy be it a kkk one or the Qur'an, feed them enough shit and they'll dance the tune you wish!. I'll let you guess why before brown Muslim terrorists it was white Catholic Irish terrorists and before that white protestant terrorists.... No racism, just plain old white religious fanatics. Asking people to stop blaming all Irish people didn't cure white Irish terrorism, what cured it was 911 when eventually the narrative for stupid ignorant Irish terrorists was this fucking religious bullshit is no longer tolerable!. I've never said there was a difference between types of radicalisation. You talked about Islamic _iews, how dogmatic and anti-LGBT they were in the Orlando case. I'm posting about what's pertinent to this case as it appears in the news." . All I've heard up to now, is that he had a history of mental illness going back 20 years!. I heard this afternoon that they thought he might have purchased a right wing groups book or manual about 17 years ago? And like I said from the beginning i think the real story is how bad mental health has been driven into the ground by successive governments for decades!. | |||
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"like I said from the beginning i think the real story is how bad mental health has been driven into the ground by successive governments for decades!. " BBC are reporting a re_iew by mental health chiefs stating that patients murder 50 people a year in UK!!!! | |||
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"It seems Jo Cox's killer had been radicalised by white supremacy. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/17/jo-cox-suspect-thomas-mair-bought-gun-manuals-from-us-neo-nazis-group-claims really...shocking you mean there's a terrorist and he is not Muslim?" It's a crazy concept. And he wasn't an immigrant. What will the Daily Mail crew say?! | |||
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"mental health issues or not, fact is he managed to get a gun and ammo, where from Gun was home made apparently. Ammunition can be purchased in some Eastern European countries and even easier if the hand held was designed to fire shotgun cartridges." And if it wasn't hand made, you can buy a pistol and its ammo in any UK inner city with £ 200 in about an hour. | |||
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" The way people have received this incident has shown a double standard that is clear, people are saying that his mental health status is the reason he did what he did, but had he been a Muslim, and there had been a receipt found in his name and address, from a radical Muslim group (there has been a receipt found in the us where he bought books on making guns and explosives from a white supremasist group) then it would have been Islam as a whole that was blamed. Although no one would suggest that Britain first directly sponsored this awful crime, they certainly helped him justify his actions within his own mind, " . Double standards? Who from, where. Had he been a Muslim with a 20 year history of mental illness, I've absolutely no doubt it would have been pointed out just like in this case. Your making the double standards yourself, you want to hold to account all white supremacists for this one man's actions don't you??. You see how that works don't you?? You've already said he was radicalised by fanatics haven't you?? Don't you want the same for Muslim terrorists or do you want to run double standards??. I call bullshit on bullshit, I'm not really bothered, wether they are white bullshitters or brown bullshitters. As Martin Luther king said, it's the content of someone's character not the colour of their skin that matters, so call out the white supremacists, call out the BNP, call out Britain first for their bigotry.... but I'm afraid I'll call it where I see it. . . . Upto now I'm afraid to say the evidence suggests it was a crazed loner with mental health issues, unlike the mps Ian gow,airey neave, Robert Bradford and Anthony berry who were murdered by terrorists, white ones at that | |||
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"In all the grief about Jo Cox we have forgotten the 77 year old man also attacked and injured by Mair. I hope he is recovering well. " This from the police: “During the course of the incident, a 77-year-old man bravely intervened to assist Jo and in doing so sustained a serious injury to his abdomen and although now stable he remains in hospital,” | |||
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"Another MP from Yorkshire received a death threat, for supporting refugees, on Wednesday from a white supremacist group. No wonder the campaigns have been temporarily suspended. Makes you wonder how MPs will be able to go about their business. " . Just like all the rest of us while flying or taking a holiday. I believe there say, it's less common than they want you to think | |||
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" The way people have received this incident has shown a double standard that is clear, people are saying that his mental health status is the reason he did what he did, but had he been a Muslim, and there had been a receipt found in his name and address, from a radical Muslim group (there has been a receipt found in the us where he bought books on making guns and explosives from a white supremasist group) then it would have been Islam as a whole that was blamed. Although no one would suggest that Britain first directly sponsored this awful crime, they certainly helped him justify his actions within his own mind, . Double standards? Who from, where. Had he been a Muslim with a 20 year history of mental illness, I've absolutely no doubt it would have been pointed out just like in this case. Your making the double standards yourself, you want to hold to account all white supremacists for this one man's actions don't you??. You see how that works don't you?? You've already said he was radicalised by fanatics haven't you?? Don't you want the same for Muslim terrorists or do you want to run double standards??. I call bullshit on bullshit, I'm not really bothered, wether they are white bullshitters or brown bullshitters. As Martin Luther king said, it's the content of someone's character not the colour of their skin that matters, so call out the white supremacists, call out the BNP, call out Britain first for their bigotry.... but I'm afraid I'll call it where I see it. . . . Upto now I'm afraid to say the evidence suggests it was a crazed loner with mental health issues, unlike the mps Ian gow,airey neave, Robert Bradford and Anthony berry who were murdered by terrorists, white ones at that " with all due respect... I do disagree with you on this... because if it had been a brown person.... it is terrorism first and you don't ever hear about the mental issue.... where as when it is a white person, its lone wolf/mental issue first... and then no one ever wants to call it what it is... which is domestic terrorism because heaven forbid a white person could be radicalised the same way a brown person could.... could it be both... absolutely... do you ever hear it called both... rarely... i think orlando is the first time I have heard it being called both a terror crime and a hate crime.... things have been ramped up so much in the last few weeks i'm done with it all... its all got way too toxic i won't add to another EU thread before the referendum, sure i am sure the lies told on both sides will annoy the bejesus out of me, but i will be biting my lip.... no life is worth the vile and bile that has been spewed... | |||
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"The guy arrested had mental health problems from an early age. He lived for most of his life in the Council house his Grandmother lived in before she died and for some 20 years alone afterwards. Neighbours say he was a voracious reader and regularly visited the library where Mrs Cox held her surgeries. He was a volunteer gardener and special needs helper and found solace in volunteering and helping as it filled the void and isolation his illness caused. He was more known for cutting old people's grass than anything sinister and neighbours said he was a 'timid' character. He did his Mother's shopping three times a week. His brother, Scott, said he had never shown any interest in politics or had _iews on the EU referendum and that he had had help for his mental illness. Mair's half-brother said Mair had OCD and was obsessive about his personal hygiene. He also confirmed Mair never had any racial or political tendencies and got on well with his half brother who is mixed race. The only link to any 'White Supremacy' is that his name and address appears as a former subscriber on an anti - ANC South African magazine many years ago. That is the sum of my research on this tragic man who has left so much tragedy in his wake. Oh and as regards the 'Britain First' thing? The witness (Clarke Rothwell) said he was shouting 'put Britain first' and not as quoted above. I hope this helps clear up some discrepancies." according to radio 4 he was a subscriber to 2 white supremacist publications albeit many years ago and sourced information on explosives and weapons from one of them.. in the fullness of time the various pieces that will come out will perhaps provide some answers as to why he committed such a vile act.. | |||
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"Death to traitors, freedom for Britain.... Fucking idiot" well i hope this means we can now stop using mental health issues that some people have been trying to use.... lets finally call it what it is... domestic terrorism!  | |||
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"The guy arrested had mental health problems from an early age. He lived for most of his life in the Council house his Grandmother lived in before she died and for some 20 years alone afterwards. Neighbours say he was a voracious reader and regularly visited the library where Mrs Cox held her surgeries. He was a volunteer gardener and special needs helper and found solace in volunteering and helping as it filled the void and isolation his illness caused. He was more known for cutting old people's grass than anything sinister and neighbours said he was a 'timid' character. He did his Mother's shopping three times a week. His brother, Scott, said he had never shown any interest in politics or had _iews on the EU referendum and that he had had help for his mental illness. Mair's half-brother said Mair had OCD and was obsessive about his personal hygiene. He also confirmed Mair never had any racial or political tendencies and got on well with his half brother who is mixed race. The only link to any 'White Supremacy' is that his name and address appears as a former subscriber on an anti - ANC South African magazine many years ago. That is the sum of my research on this tragic man who has left so much tragedy in his wake. Oh and as regards the 'Britain First' thing? The witness (Clarke Rothwell) said he was shouting 'put Britain first' and not as quoted above. I hope this helps clear up some discrepancies." There is a photo of him holding the Britain first banner at a demo. | |||
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"Death to traitors, freedom for Britain.... Fucking idiot well i hope this means we can now stop using mental health issues that some people have been trying to use.... lets finally call it what it is... domestic terrorism! "I'm calling both. | |||
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"Death to traitors, freedom for Britain.... Fucking idiot well i hope this means we can now stop using mental health issues that some people have been trying to use.... lets finally call it what it is... domestic terrorism!
I'm calling both. "Some people with certain mental illnesses maybe more susceptible to brainwashing and indoctrination. Could well be a Combination of both. | |||
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"Death to traitors, freedom for Britain.... Fucking idiot well i hope this means we can now stop using mental health issues that some people have been trying to use.... lets finally call it what it is... domestic terrorism! "You really think he has No mental health issues ? | |||
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"This is just another prime example of where "care in the community" has gone wrong ....social services are stretched to breaking point .... cuts to their budgets .... not enough social workers now .. This guy was obviously a vulnerable adult who needed support .... there are so many of these cases ..... and there will be many more ... totally in agreement with you on the cuts in general, mental health has always been less resourced even before the time of austerity we now find ourselves in.. have family who work in that area and its often at breaking point however we fully don't know yet whether his care provision had 'gaps or had failed' if indeed he was a recipient of such or even if that was contributory to his actions.. one thing i do know is that the political narrative is extreme with some, has gone too far and with anyone vulnerable and easily influenced that may well be an issue and a worrying combination.. " This completely. He may have a mental illness but we don't know if it bad a bearing on what he has done. I hate how, when something like this happen people automatically jump to mental illness. Some people are just wrong, not mentally ill. | |||
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You really think he has No mental health issues ?
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"It seems Jo Cox's killer had been radicalised by white supremacy. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/17/jo-cox-suspect-thomas-mair-bought-gun-manuals-from-us-neo-nazis-group-claims" I think that the gentleman had severe mental health issues which is very sad . Any interest in issues such as those referred to by the poster are irrelevant . It is a very sad story from everyone's perspective . | |||
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"Death to traitors, freedom for Britain.... Fucking idiot well i hope this means we can now stop using mental health issues that some people have been trying to use.... lets finally call it what it is... domestic terrorism!
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"it does feel a bit like the threads i see on my american uni site... brown guy shoots up people..... terrorist.... white guy shoots up people.... lone wolf, mental issues..... the fact that CTU (counter terrorist unit) are part of this investigation suggest they think there may be links.... but please, if it turns out he is a domestic terrorist... let call it that and not couch it behind mental issues... I don't care if a person is radicalise by jihadist.. or by right wing groups... its all the same" ALL of this! | |||
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"This is just another prime example of where "care in the community" has gone wrong ....social services are stretched to breaking point .... cuts to their budgets .... not enough social workers now .. This guy was obviously a vulnerable adult who needed support .... there are so many of these cases ..... and there will be many more ... totally in agreement with you on the cuts in general, mental health has always been less resourced even before the time of austerity we now find ourselves in.. have family who work in that area and its often at breaking point however we fully don't know yet whether his care provision had 'gaps or had failed' if indeed he was a recipient of such or even if that was contributory to his actions.. one thing i do know is that the political narrative is extreme with some, has gone too far and with anyone vulnerable and easily influenced that may well be an issue and a worrying combination.. This completely. He may have a mental illness but we don't know if it bad a bearing on what he has done. I hate how, when something like this happen people automatically jump to mental illness. Some people are just wrong, not mentally ill. " Very true , hardly the actions of a mentally stable person though At the moment apart from the fact his actions are totally wrong no one knows the full facts Some people seem to be using this terrible act to further their own agenda | |||
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"It's quite sickening to see the usual leftards creaming their pants over this poor woman's fate. Shame on you." | |||
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"It's quite sickening to see the usual leftards creaming their pants over this poor woman's fate. Shame on you." sorry but that's bs.. people have been balanced on the whole given the lack of any definite facts.. what has been the case is the pointing out that an assumption was made by some that this is all down to his mental state only.. when there was some initial factual evidence that he may have said something political and that it is now the case that he has had associations albeit a while ago with far right white supremacist groups.. that's not creaming anyone's pants its in the public domain.. and it's totally appropriate to point out that had this been a radical extremist whose inspiration was religious based then the mental health issue would have been downplayed and some as has happened would be calling out the whole of that faith.. if we don't look at the issue objectively we fall into the trap that the extremists of all creeds and ideology want.. | |||
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"It's quite sickening to see the usual leftards creaming their pants over this poor woman's fate. Shame on you. "Especially when MPs were asked to set the issue aside for tbe next two days .. | |||
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"Death to traitors, freedom for Britain.... Fucking idiot" I assume that you have no experience of helping those with mental health issues . Everyone is not blessed with good health.. | |||
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"Death to traitors, freedom for Britain.... " This mirrors a lot of the trolling that was on Twitter on Thursday and also a lot of the threats MPs have received in recent weeks. As if radical Islam wasn't enough to deal with, we now have white supremacy too. | |||
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"Death to traitors, freedom for Britain.... This mirrors a lot of the trolling that was on Twitter on Thursday and also a lot of the threats MPs have received in recent weeks. As if radical Islam wasn't enough to deal with, we now have white supremacy too. " Where have you been for decades? I remember how the NF used to attack people in the 70s. Wake up. They've been around a lot longer than radical Muslims. And we've also had religious terrorism for hundreds of years. Protestants v Catholics anyone? The Catholics tried to bomb parliament and bring the government down (Guy Fawkes, Cater by, et al). There are simply people who latch on to radicalism as they have more hatred and intolerance in their hearts than love and tolerance. The colours of their flags may change but essentially they are all the same. Deprive them of what they seek (publicity) and they wither away. | |||
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"Death to traitors, freedom for Britain.... Fucking idiot I assume that you have no experience of helping those with mental health issues . Everyone is not blessed with good health.." No, I don't. Nor do I need to. I still he is a fucking idiot, a gutless one who takes a gun and knife and ends some poor lady's life. oops, sorry a sick, gutless fucking idiot. | |||
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"The guy arrested had mental health problems from an early age. He lived for most of his life in the Council house his Grandmother lived in before she died and for some 20 years alone afterwards. Neighbours say he was a voracious reader and regularly visited the library where Mrs Cox held her surgeries. He was a volunteer gardener and special needs helper and found solace in volunteering and helping as it filled the void and isolation his illness caused. He was more known for cutting old people's grass than anything sinister and neighbours said he was a 'timid' character. He did his Mother's shopping three times a week. His brother, Scott, said he had never shown any interest in politics or had _iews on the EU referendum and that he had had help for his mental illness. Mair's half-brother said Mair had OCD and was obsessive about his personal hygiene. He also confirmed Mair never had any racial or political tendencies and got on well with his half brother who is mixed race. The only link to any 'White Supremacy' is that his name and address appears as a former subscriber on an anti - ANC South African magazine many years ago. That is the sum of my research on this tragic man who has left so much tragedy in his wake. Oh and as regards the 'Britain First' thing? The witness (Clarke Rothwell) said he was shouting 'put Britain first' and not as quoted above. I hope this helps clear up some discrepancies. There is a photo of him holding the Britain first banner at a demo. " There is another photo of him giving a Nazi salute whilst wearing a nazi Blood & Honour t-shirt. Its patently obvious the bloke is and has been a committed fascist for a long time, no matter what spin some people put on him Face facts, we have had a political assassination on an English Street by a Nazi terrorist. A terrorist wound up & enabled by the vile & toxic bile spouted by so called mainstream politicians. | |||
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"Death to traitors, freedom for Britain.... Fucking idiot I assume that you have no experience of helping those with mental health issues . Everyone is not blessed with good health.." | |||
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"He is not a terrorist, just a cowardly murderer." Really? Kills for political reasons, yells out political statement at his arraignment and yet not a terrorist? Why is it so hard for some to accept a white British neo-nazi as a terrorist? | |||
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"He is not a terrorist, just a cowardly murderer." | |||
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"He is not a terrorist, just a cowardly murderer. Really? Kills for political reasons, yells out political statement at his arraignment and yet not a terrorist? Why is it so hard for some to accept a white British neo-nazi as a terrorist?" don't build him up to be something he isn't or give him the satisfaction of thinking that he is. Does he terrorise you? | |||
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"He is not a terrorist, just a cowardly murderer. Really? Kills for political reasons, yells out political statement at his arraignment and yet not a terrorist? Why is it so hard for some to accept a white British neo-nazi as a terrorist? don't build him up to be something he isn't or give him the satisfaction of thinking that he is. Does he terrorise you?" | |||
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" Why is it so hard for some to accept a white British neo-nazi as a terrorist?" I've learned in recent days from Twitter and Facebook that there are a surprising number of terrorist sympathisers. As I said in the Orlando thread, we must be vigilant of all forms of extremism. The best thing we can do is to call things by their proper name and keep shining a light on all dark corners. | |||
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"He is not a terrorist, just a cowardly murderer. Really? Kills for political reasons, yells out political statement at his arraignment and yet not a terrorist? Why is it so hard for some to accept a white British neo-nazi as a terrorist? don't build him up to be something he isn't or give him the satisfaction of thinking that he is. Does he terrorise you?" Did you deny that the killers of Lee Rigby were terrorists? | |||
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" Why is it so hard for some to accept a white British neo-nazi as a terrorist? I've learned in recent days from Twitter and Facebook that there are a surprising number of terrorist sympathisers. As I said in the Orlando thread, we must be vigilant of all forms of extremism. The best thing we can do is to call things by their proper name and keep shining a light on all dark corners. " This. | |||
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"Whether he is a bona fide member of an organisation or not, it is a terrorist act" this.. by any definition.. | |||
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"He is not a terrorist, just a cowardly murderer. Really? Kills for political reasons, yells out political statement at his arraignment and yet not a terrorist? Why is it so hard for some to accept a white British neo-nazi as a terrorist? don't build him up to be something he isn't or give him the satisfaction of thinking that he is. Does he terrorise you? Did you deny that the killers of Lee Rigby were terrorists?" I remember a short time ago a Muslim woman was knifed to death in Colchester Almost imeadiatly after her death was announced some one on fab was claiming it was a racist killing and he should get the same sentence as Lee Rigbys killers It turned out the killer had already stabbed a white man to death knifing him 100 times The killer was found to have severe mental problems . No racism involved Certainly people on fab jumping to conclusions though | |||
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"Whether he is a bona fide member of an organisation or not, it is a terrorist act this.. by any definition.." Hmm, yes - not quite up there with the recent multitudinous mass indiscriminate murders committed by those lovely Muslims the leftards love, but well done for the attempt at making this crime seem equal. Your prizes are in the post. | |||
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"Whether he is a bona fide member of an organisation or not, it is a terrorist act this.. by any definition.. Hmm, yes - not quite up there with the recent multitudinous mass indiscriminate murders committed by those lovely Muslims the leftards love, but well done for the attempt at making this crime seem equal. Your prizes are in the post." a pathetic and inaccurate 'contribution', par for the course sadly.. | |||
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"Death to traitors, freedom for Britain.... Fucking idiot I assume that you have no experience of helping those with mental health issues . Everyone is not blessed with good health.. No, I don't. Nor do I need to. I still he is a fucking idiot, a gutless one who takes a gun and knife and ends some poor lady's life. oops, sorry a sick, gutless fucking idiot."  It is difficult to see how you can make rationl decisions concerning the mentally ill if you have no exoerience of dealing with them .
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"Death to traitors, freedom for Britain.... Fucking idiot I assume that you have no experience of helping those with mental health issues . Everyone is not blessed with good health.. No, I don't. Nor do I need to. I still he is a fucking idiot, a gutless one who takes a gun and knife and ends some poor lady's life. oops, sorry a sick, gutless fucking idiot. It is difficult to see how you can make rationl decisions concerning the mentally ill if you have no exoerience of dealing with them .
You should be gratefull for your good health and the benefits that you enjoy in life Not everyone is in this position . "so have you met him,spoke to him, read any of his thinkings, spoke to close family members or are you making this clinical decision based on a photo.... Or that he murdered a defenceless woman | |||
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"Whether he is a bona fide member of an organisation or not, it is a terrorist act this.. by any definition.. Hmm, yes - not quite up there with the recent multitudinous mass indiscriminate murders committed by those lovely Muslims the leftards love, but well done for the attempt at making this crime seem equal. Your prizes are in the post." You're entitled to your _iew but I didn't know terrorism had a quota. Your comments are a slap in the face to the victims of white supremacy in recent years - 94 of them dead - and 324 of them injured. Those are only the high profile cases. Those of us who are "leftards" don't demonise the entire white population for white extremism and we don't demonise the entire Muslim population for Islamic extremism. Show me a thread where anyone has supported "murders committed by those lovely Muslims" - and I'll eat my hat. | |||
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"Whether he is a bona fide member of an organisation or not, it is a terrorist act this.. by any definition.. Hmm, yes - not quite up there with the recent multitudinous mass indiscriminate murders committed by those lovely Muslims the leftards love, but well done for the attempt at making this crime seem equal. Your prizes are in the post. a pathetic and inaccurate 'contribution', par for the course sadly.." Classic example of right wing fellow travellers making excuses for the indefensible. | |||
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"Whether he is a bona fide member of an organisation or not, it is a terrorist act this.. by any definition.. Hmm, yes - not quite up there with the recent multitudinous mass indiscriminate murders committed by those lovely Muslims the leftards love, but well done for the attempt at making this crime seem equal. Your prizes are in the post. You're entitled to your _iew but I didn't know terrorism had a quota. Your comments are a slap in the face to the victims of white supremacy in recent years - 94 of them dead - and 324 of them injured. Those are only the high profile cases. Those of us who are "leftards" don't demonise the entire white population for white extremism and we don't demonise the entire Muslim population for Islamic extremism. Show me a thread where anyone has supported "murders committed by those lovely Muslims" - and I'll eat my hat. " When you say 94 dead what exactly are you referring to. I thought that the biggest threat to society to day are terrorists from the Middle East and those who support Al Quader . | |||
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"Whether he is a bona fide member of an organisation or not, it is a terrorist act this.. by any definition.. Hmm, yes - not quite up there with the recent multitudinous mass indiscriminate murders committed by those lovely Muslims the leftards love, but well done for the attempt at making this crime seem equal. Your prizes are in the post. You're entitled to your _iew but I didn't know terrorism had a quota. Your comments are a slap in the face to the victims of white supremacy in recent years - 94 of them dead - and 324 of them injured. Those are only the high profile cases. Those of us who are "leftards" don't demonise the entire white population for white extremism and we don't demonise the entire Muslim population for Islamic extremism. Show me a thread where anyone has supported "murders committed by those lovely Muslims" - and I'll eat my hat. When you say 94 dead what exactly are you referring to. I thought that the biggest threat to society to day are terrorists from the Middle East and those who support Al Quader ." So that means it is excusable for a right winger to kill? The biggest threat to society is enabling division and demonising whole sections of society because of the actions of a minority. | |||
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"Whether he is a bona fide member of an organisation or not, it is a terrorist act this.. by any definition.. Hmm, yes - not quite up there with the recent multitudinous mass indiscriminate murders committed by those lovely Muslims the leftards love, but well done for the attempt at making this crime seem equal. Your prizes are in the post. You're entitled to your _iew but I didn't know terrorism had a quota. Your comments are a slap in the face to the victims of white supremacy in recent years - 94 of them dead - and 324 of them injured. Those are only the high profile cases. Those of us who are "leftards" don't demonise the entire white population for white extremism and we don't demonise the entire Muslim population for Islamic extremism. Show me a thread where anyone has supported "murders committed by those lovely Muslims" - and I'll eat my hat. When you say 94 dead what exactly are you referring to. I thought that the biggest threat to society to day are terrorists from the Middle East and those who support Al Quader ." Pat, any 'terrorist' or anyone radicalised enough to carry out acts of violence for political or ideological is a threat to a society.. if one person is killed that's as equally a tragedy for their family and friends as when several people are killed.. | |||
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"Whether he is a bona fide member of an organisation or not, it is a terrorist act this.. by any definition.. Hmm, yes - not quite up there with the recent multitudinous mass indiscriminate murders committed by those lovely Muslims the leftards love, but well done for the attempt at making this crime seem equal. Your prizes are in the post. You're entitled to your _iew but I didn't know terrorism had a quota. Your comments are a slap in the face to the victims of white supremacy in recent years - 94 of them dead - and 324 of them injured. Those are only the high profile cases. Those of us who are "leftards" don't demonise the entire white population for white extremism and we don't demonise the entire Muslim population for Islamic extremism. Show me a thread where anyone has supported "murders committed by those lovely Muslims" - and I'll eat my hat. When you say 94 dead what exactly are you referring to. I thought that the biggest threat to society to day are terrorists from the Middle East and those who support Al Quader . So that means it is excusable for a right winger to kill? The biggest threat to society is enabling division and demonising whole sections of society because of the actions of a minority. " I would have thought that what happened on Thursday was an act carried out by a man who was mentionally ill, whereas the terrorists to whom I am referring are prepared to kill hundreds of people by carrying out acts such as blowing up aircraft . Those who carry out these acts can which take intensive planning can hardly be considered to be mentally ill. | |||
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"Whether he is a bona fide member of an organisation or not, it is a terrorist act this.. by any definition.. Hmm, yes - not quite up there with the recent multitudinous mass indiscriminate murders committed by those lovely Muslims the leftards love, but well done for the attempt at making this crime seem equal. Your prizes are in the post. You're entitled to your _iew but I didn't know terrorism had a quota. Your comments are a slap in the face to the victims of white supremacy in recent years - 94 of them dead - and 324 of them injured. Those are only the high profile cases. Those of us who are "leftards" don't demonise the entire white population for white extremism and we don't demonise the entire Muslim population for Islamic extremism. Show me a thread where anyone has supported "murders committed by those lovely Muslims" - and I'll eat my hat. When you say 94 dead what exactly are you referring to. I thought that the biggest threat to society to day are terrorists from the Middle East and those who support Al Quader . So that means it is excusable for a right winger to kill? The biggest threat to society is enabling division and demonising whole sections of society because of the actions of a minority. I would have thought that what happened on Thursday was an act carried out by a man who was mentionally ill, whereas the terrorists to whom I am referring are prepared to kill hundreds of people by carrying out acts such as blowing up aircraft . Those who carry out these acts can which take intensive planning can hardly be considered to be mentally ill. " The fact that you persist with the stance that someone who takes a gun and a knife, places themself in the exact spot to attack a particular person, shoots them in the face and then declares a particular political ideology has not planned it and must be mentally ill beggars belief. Terror meted out to and individual or a group is terror. This was aimed at politician who stood for equality, helped refugees and spoke out against injustice. As someone on this thread has called us, leftards. THAT was planned. Not a random attack on just anyone. An attack that has got the world's attention, just as much as a plane being brought down. Every time you and others like you defend Mair you bolster all the other extremfrom the right to fight their 'cause' with yet more violence. | |||
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" I would have thought that what happened on Thursday was an act carried out by a man who was mentionally ill, whereas the terrorists to whom I am referring are prepared to kill hundreds of people by carrying out acts such as blowing up aircraft . Those who carry out these acts can which take intensive planning can hardly be considered to be mentally ill. " Thomas Mair had planned it. He had bought gun manuals, he acquired a gun, he found out where Jo Cox would be, he lay in wait for her and he slaughtered her on the street when she arrived. If what you're saying is that terrorism has a quota of hundreds being killed in an attack then the only terrorist attack that has ever happened is this country is the Lockerbie Bombing in 1988. But I don't subscribe to your logic. By your definition Lee Rigby's murder wasn't terrorism. | |||
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"He is not a terrorist, just a cowardly murderer. Really? Kills for political reasons, yells out political statement at his arraignment and yet not a terrorist? Why is it so hard for some to accept a white British neo-nazi as a terrorist? don't build him up to be something he isn't or give him the satisfaction of thinking that he is. Does he terrorise you? Did you deny that the killers of Lee Rigby were terrorists?" no I said they were murderers and cowards which is what they are plain and simple | |||
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" I would have thought that what happened on Thursday was an act carried out by a man who was mentionally ill, whereas the terrorists to whom I am referring are prepared to kill hundreds of people by carrying out acts such as blowing up aircraft . Those who carry out these acts can which take intensive planning can hardly be considered to be mentally ill. Thomas Mair had planned it. He had bought gun manuals, he acquired a gun, he found out where Jo Cox would be, he lay in wait for her and he slaughtered her on the street when she arrived. If what you're saying is that terrorism has a quota of hundreds being killed in an attack then the only terrorist attack that has ever happened is this country is the Lockerbie Bombing in 1988. But I don't subscribe to your logic. By your definition Lee Rigby's murder wasn't terrorism. " it wasn't, it was murder from a pair of drugged up twisted minds | |||
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"Emotive issues indeed. I live close to Birstall, my daughter knew her and my mate knows the guy who intervened and got stabbed. I also work in forensic mental health. Just because a newspaper or tv has hung a " mental health " label on the guy doesn't make it related to the event, it doesn't per say make him more dangerous or more vulnerable than you or I. The incidence of serious violent behaviour amongst those with mental health problems is similar to the general population. People are talking about cuts and poor services nothing I have seen says he was involved with mental health services and I'd he were in what context. He certainly wasn't involved with the high risk psychiatric services in that area. You can't legally force services on the vast majority of people unless they have committed offences or been admitted already. Most services are offered and have to be with agreement and consent if they say no bigger off there's nothing services can do. People with mental health issues can do bad things they are not always related, sometimes but not always. It's a terribly sad event and needs thorough investigation and jumping to conclusions is never helpful. I do agree that had this been a Muslim man, with an alleged history of mental health, or not , the reporting and narrative would have been very different, that may be understandable in the current climate but it's no less wrong. Mental illness takes many forms, means many different things and effects many, it's different for all of those effected. One in four at some point will seek help, one in 100 have schizophrenia alone big numbers but they are not all dangerous or vulnerable and most either don't need services or don't want them. " | |||
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"if the action is a political or religious act designed to scare and or put fear in the population... then it is designated as being terrorism..... I hate that people are trying to defend this man at all costs... when as others have mentioned, if he has for example been or another colour or religion he would most certainly would not have been afforded that same curtosy.... i don't care if someone is radicalised by islam or the nazi's.... maybe its the fact that he was white that has touched a nerve.... i mean heaven forbid that he was one of us!!! he must have mental issues!!! and there go the excuses!!!"
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"In all the grief about Jo Cox we have forgotten the 77 year old man also attacked and injured by Mair. I hope he is recovering well. " What happened to this man?did joe cox try to split up an argument is what I am hearing and he went crazy?their are different versions of events going about! | |||
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"It would be a lot better if everyone stopped trying to dissect this, on the basis of second hand information, speculation and unsubstantiated theory. There is an investigation. An explanation will be forthcoming. Let's let the professionals do what they need to do ." I agree. It was a dreadfully sad event and speculation does her no justice. | |||
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"if the action is a political or religious act designed to scare and or put fear in the population... then it is designated as being terrorism..... I hate that people are trying to defend this man at all costs... when as others have mentioned, if he has for example been or another colour or religion he would most certainly would not have been afforded that same curtosy.... i don't care if someone is radicalised by islam or the nazi's.... maybe its the fact that he was white that has touched a nerve.... i mean heaven forbid that he was one of us!!! he must have mental issues!!! and there go the excuses!!!" it was all over the media that the killers of Lee Rigby had mental health issues so stop trying to play the race card all the time and nobody is trying to defend this man at any cost, that is a bit of a twisted _iew to take. And as for terrorism? You think that this has put fear in the population? Or that that was even his intention? Crap. It was cold blooded cowardly murder the same as all cases like this and to call them terrorists is to give them a kind of kudos that they would love and encourage more to do the same. After all, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter eh. Just call them what they are - pathetic | |||
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"I think we need to get rid of the word 'terrorist ' from society. It is divisive and seems to distract us from what is really important. 9/11 nearly 3000 people MURDERED BY EXTREMISTS. Jo Cox MURDERED BY AN EXTREMIST. Is simple if you look at it right. What their extremist _iews were are irrelevant. They are all murderers. We should not feed them by giving them the oxygen of 'recognising' their cause. Lots of people have causes they feel strongly about. They don't pick up guns, knives, bombs, fly planes into buildings. These people are consumed by hatred and that is their motive for committing murder. What their politics are shouldn't even be given air time as it validates their argument from their point of _iew and from the point of _iew of those who think similarly. Just my opinion. " Right while everyone is bemoaning the mental state of said murderer this morning a man awakes with no wife beside him (they probably had plans for today as it's Fathers Day) and two young children have no motheR. Me personally when he s convicted I hope he becomes someone s bitch Inprison and when he disagrees with someone s _iewpoint gets taught a lesson that no one a interested in his! | |||
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"if the action is a political or religious act designed to scare and or put fear in the population... then it is designated as being terrorism..... I hate that people are trying to defend this man at all costs... when as others have mentioned, if he has for example been or another colour or religion he would most certainly would not have been afforded that same curtosy.... i don't care if someone is radicalised by islam or the nazi's.... maybe its the fact that he was white that has touched a nerve.... i mean heaven forbid that he was one of us!!! he must have mental issues!!! and there go the excuses!!! it was all over the media that the killers of Lee Rigby had mental health issues so stop trying to play the race card all the time and nobody is trying to defend this man at any cost, that is a bit of a twisted _iew to take. And as for terrorism? You think that this has put fear in the population? Or that that was even his intention? Crap. It was cold blooded cowardly murder the same as all cases like this and to call them terrorists is to give them a kind of kudos that they would love and encourage more to do the same. After all, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter eh. Just call them what they are - pathetic" | |||
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"What was the original article that said it was a fight that Jo broke up does anyone know?I would like to read it!" Maybe it doesn't exist? Why not Google it? You're on the Internet after all. | |||
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"What was the original article that said it was a fight that Jo broke up does anyone know?I would like to read it!" you seem to be one of the only ones saying this, so if you don't know ... | |||
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"A fascinating but frightening article on the far right in the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/18/far-right-home-in-west-yorkshire-britain-first?INTCMP=sfl" The far right are an irrelevant and insignificant threat . Most people just ignore them. Unfortunately we cannot do the same with terrorists who are prepared to blow up planes and place bombs in public places . I know where my concerns lie . I dont know many people concerned about the far right placing bombs or killing innocent people . The far rigbt can be dismissed as an irrelevant minority . | |||
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"Found it. It's the first reaction on the Perez Hilton site. Yeah really trustworthy news source! ! Lol" Haha I had a Google and just saw that.perez hilton isn't he the guy who inter_iews people a bit of a joker? | |||
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"A fascinating but frightening article on the far right in the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/18/far-right-home-in-west-yorkshire-britain-first?INTCMP=sfl The far right are an irrelevant and insignificant threat . Most people just ignore them. Unfortunately we cannot do the same with terrorists who are prepared to blow up planes and place bombs in public places . I know where my concerns lie . I dont know many people concerned about the far right placing bombs or killing innocent people . The far rigbt can be dismissed as an irrelevant minority . " even if their ideology may have influenced someone to commit murder..? they have certainly influenced other's to fire bomb properties or have done so themselves, that's not irrelevant.. | |||
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"A fascinating but frightening article on the far right in the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/18/far-right-home-in-west-yorkshire-britain-first?INTCMP=sfl The far right are an irrelevant and insignificant threat . Most people just ignore them. Unfortunately we cannot do the same with terrorists who are prepared to blow up planes and place bombs in public places . I know where my concerns lie . I dont know many people concerned about the far right placing bombs or killing innocent people . The far rigbt can be dismissed as an irrelevant minority . " Your argument seems to be that we can't fix the leak in the roof because the oven is on fire. We have more than one problem to monitor and find solutions to. We already monitor IRA terrorism and Islamic terrorism. White nationalist terrorism must be given more attention. | |||
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"Found it. It's the first reaction on the Perez Hilton site. Yeah really trustworthy news source! ! Lol Haha I had a Google and just saw that.perez hilton isn't he the guy who inter_iews people a bit of a joker?" Yes. And that was the only place I could find a reference to it. It took me all of 2 minutes. Yet you've been using that as a point of argument on the other thread for hours. Why didn't you just Google it instead of trusting what the leader of a far right group posts on FB unless you are a far right sympathiser? Best to check sources out before using some spurious 'evidence' mouthed by a hate-filled moron like the BF leader. | |||
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"A fascinating but frightening article on the far right in the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/18/far-right-home-in-west-yorkshire-britain-first?INTCMP=sfl The far right are an irrelevant and insignificant threat . Most people just ignore them. Unfortunately we cannot do the same with terrorists who are prepared to blow up planes and place bombs in public places . I know where my concerns lie . I dont know many people concerned about the far right placing bombs or killing innocent people . The far rigbt can be dismissed as an irrelevant minority . " The bomb threats are very scary at the moment that lady terror warned their will be karnage this summer on the trains in central london and parts of Spain also.I for one am concerned for people I know and family who have to travel into central London to work etc...scary times | |||
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"A fascinating but frightening article on the far right in the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/18/far-right-home-in-west-yorkshire-britain-first?INTCMP=sfl The far right are an irrelevant and insignificant threat . Most people just ignore them. Unfortunately we cannot do the same with terrorists who are prepared to blow up planes and place bombs in public places . I know where my concerns lie . I dont know many people concerned about the far right placing bombs or killing innocent people . The far rigbt can be dismissed as an irrelevant minority . The bomb threats are very scary at the moment that lady terror warned their will be karnage this summer on the trains in central london and parts of Spain also.I for one am concerned for people I know and family who have to travel into central London to work etc...scary times" I grew up in the 70s during the Troubles. It's no more scary and we survived. | |||
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"A fascinating but frightening article on the far right in the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/18/far-right-home-in-west-yorkshire-britain-first?INTCMP=sfl The far right are an irrelevant and insignificant threat . Most people just ignore them. Unfortunately we cannot do the same with terrorists who are prepared to blow up planes and place bombs in public places . I know where my concerns lie . I dont know many people concerned about the far right placing bombs or killing innocent people . The far rigbt can be dismissed as an irrelevant minority . " | |||
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"A fascinating but frightening article on the far right in the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/18/far-right-home-in-west-yorkshire-britain-first?INTCMP=sfl The far right are an irrelevant and insignificant threat . Most people just ignore them. Unfortunately we cannot do the same with terrorists who are prepared to blow up planes and place bombs in public places . I know where my concerns lie . I dont know many people concerned about the far right placing bombs or killing innocent people . The far rigbt can be dismissed as an irrelevant minority . The bomb threats are very scary at the moment that lady terror warned their will be karnage this summer on the trains in central london and parts of Spain also.I for one am concerned for people I know and family who have to travel into central London to work etc...scary times" I live and work in London, there has been a state of terror in London for all of my life. Am I scared? No. In the great scheme of things, London is a safe place to live an work. What worries me more are nutters from all sides of the spectrum who believe that someone deserves to die because they don't share the same beliefs. Intolerance is a cancer that affects us all at some level. Yes there have been cases where people with mental health issues have been influenced to commit heinous acts. The fact that the accused repeated the phrase "Britain first, death to traitors " makes him a vile extremist. Any mental issues are secondary | |||
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"A fascinating but frightening article on the far right in the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/18/far-right-home-in-west-yorkshire-britain-first?INTCMP=sfl The far right are an irrelevant and insignificant threat . Most people just ignore them. Unfortunately we cannot do the same with terrorists who are prepared to blow up planes and place bombs in public places . I know where my concerns lie . I dont know many people concerned about the far right placing bombs or killing innocent people . The far rigbt can be dismissed as an irrelevant minority . The bomb threats are very scary at the moment that lady terror warned their will be karnage this summer on the trains in central london and parts of Spain also.I for one am concerned for people I know and family who have to travel into central London to work etc...scary times I grew up in the 70s during the Troubles. It's no more scary and we survived. " The big difference between the current terrorists and those operating in the troubles was that those operating in the seventies gave warnings of their intentions . They advised authorities that they had planted bombs in order to give time to evacuate areas . The terrorists currently operating just blow up planes or plant bombs with no warnings whatsever | |||
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"The big difference between the current terrorists and those operating in the troubles was that those operating in the seventies gave warnings of their intentions . They advised authorities that they had planted bombs in order to give time to evacuate areas . The terrorists currently operating just blow up planes or plant bombs with no warnings whatsever " Tell that to families of the victims of the Omagh bombing. I'm sure the warning beforehand was of great comfort. No such warnings are giving now when the IRA murder people. | |||
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"A fascinating but frightening article on the far right in the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/18/far-right-home-in-west-yorkshire-britain-first?INTCMP=sfl The far right are an irrelevant and insignificant threat . Most people just ignore them. Unfortunately we cannot do the same with terrorists who are prepared to blow up planes and place bombs in public places . I know where my concerns lie . I dont know many people concerned about the far right placing bombs or killing innocent people . The far rigbt can be dismissed as an irrelevant minority . The bomb threats are very scary at the moment that lady terror warned their will be karnage this summer on the trains in central london and parts of Spain also.I for one am concerned for people I know and family who have to travel into central London to work etc...scary times I grew up in the 70s during the Troubles. It's no more scary and we survived. The big difference between the current terrorists and those operating in the troubles was that those operating in the seventies gave warnings of their intentions . They advised authorities that they had planted bombs in order to give time to evacuate areas . The terrorists currently operating just blow up planes or plant bombs with no warnings whatsever " not in Birmingham, Brighton or (ok with being corrected) the palace of Westminster.. also some of the direct actions by the extremists of the ALF where never pre notified.. there is no difference between extremists of any creed or ideology who are intent on inflicting harm to further their aims.. to attempt to downplay the threat of one group against the other is nonsense, they are all dangerous and should be opposed and brought to book regardless.. | |||
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"The big difference between the current terrorists and those operating in the troubles was that those operating in the seventies gave warnings of their intentions . They advised authorities that they had planted bombs in order to give time to evacuate areas . The terrorists currently operating just blow up planes or plant bombs with no warnings whatsever Tell that to families of the victims of the Omagh bombing. I'm sure the warning beforehand was of great comfort. No such warnings are giving now when the IRA murder people. "
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"A fascinating but frightening article on the far right in the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/18/far-right-home-in-west-yorkshire-britain-first?INTCMP=sfl The far right are an irrelevant and insignificant threat . Most people just ignore them. Unfortunately we cannot do the same with terrorists who are prepared to blow up planes and place bombs in public places . I know where my concerns lie . I dont know many people concerned about the far right placing bombs or killing innocent people . The far rigbt can be dismissed as an irrelevant minority . The bomb threats are very scary at the moment that lady terror warned their will be karnage this summer on the trains in central london and parts of Spain also.I for one am concerned for people I know and family who have to travel into central London to work etc...scary times I grew up in the 70s during the Troubles. It's no more scary and we survived. The big difference between the current terrorists and those operating in the troubles was that those operating in the seventies gave warnings of their intentions . They advised authorities that they had planted bombs in order to give time to evacuate areas . The terrorists currently operating just blow up planes or plant bombs with no warnings whatsever not in Birmingham, Brighton or (ok with being corrected) the palace of Westminster.. also some of the direct actions by the extremists of the ALF where never pre notified.. there is no difference between extremists of any creed or ideology who are intent on inflicting harm to further their aims.. to attempt to downplay the threat of one group against the other is nonsense, they are all dangerous and should be opposed and brought to book regardless.. " However , in the majority of cases warnings were given and where they were not something went wrong in the communication process. The current terrorists are much more evil engaging in acts such as blowing up planes or placing bombs without warning . | |||
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"A fascinating but frightening article on the far right in the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/18/far-right-home-in-west-yorkshire-britain-first?INTCMP=sfl The far right are an irrelevant and insignificant threat . Most people just ignore them. Unfortunately we cannot do the same with terrorists who are prepared to blow up planes and place bombs in public places . I know where my concerns lie . I dont know many people concerned about the far right placing bombs or killing innocent people . The far rigbt can be dismissed as an irrelevant minority . The bomb threats are very scary at the moment that lady terror warned their will be karnage this summer on the trains in central london and parts of Spain also.I for one am concerned for people I know and family who have to travel into central London to work etc...scary times I grew up in the 70s during the Troubles. It's no more scary and we survived. The big difference between the current terrorists and those operating in the troubles was that those operating in the seventies gave warnings of their intentions . They advised authorities that they had planted bombs in order to give time to evacuate areas . The terrorists currently operating just blow up planes or plant bombs with no warnings whatsever not in Birmingham, Brighton or (ok with being corrected) the palace of Westminster.. also some of the direct actions by the extremists of the ALF where never pre notified.. there is no difference between extremists of any creed or ideology who are intent on inflicting harm to further their aims.. to attempt to downplay the threat of one group against the other is nonsense, they are all dangerous and should be opposed and brought to book regardless.. However , in the majority of cases warnings were given and where they were not something went wrong in the communication process. The current terrorists are much more evil engaging in acts such as blowing up planes or placing bombs without warning ." trying to attempt to differentiate between levels of evil seems a tad bizarre when they all want to do one harm.. the danger in down playing one lot by using another lot who have been more 'successful' (perhaps a poor analogy) in their twisted aims only serves to take ones eye off the ball so to speak.. radical extremism is just that, end of.. there's no radical extremism 'light' just because one lot hasn't been as far as the other lot doesn't mean they wont do if no one keeps an eye on them .. | |||
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"A fascinating but frightening article on the far right in the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/18/far-right-home-in-west-yorkshire-britain-first?INTCMP=sfl The far right are an irrelevant and insignificant threat . Most people just ignore them. Unfortunately we cannot do the same with terrorists who are prepared to blow up planes and place bombs in public places . I know where my concerns lie . I dont know many people concerned about the far right placing bombs or killing innocent people . The far rigbt can be dismissed as an irrelevant minority . The bomb threats are very scary at the moment that lady terror warned their will be karnage this summer on the trains in central london and parts of Spain also.I for one am concerned for people I know and family who have to travel into central London to work etc...scary times I grew up in the 70s during the Troubles. It's no more scary and we survived. The big difference between the current terrorists and those operating in the troubles was that those operating in the seventies gave warnings of their intentions . They advised authorities that they had planted bombs in order to give time to evacuate areas . The terrorists currently operating just blow up planes or plant bombs with no warnings whatsever not in Birmingham, Brighton or (ok with being corrected) the palace of Westminster.. also some of the direct actions by the extremists of the ALF where never pre notified.. there is no difference between extremists of any creed or ideology who are intent on inflicting harm to further their aims.. to attempt to downplay the threat of one group against the other is nonsense, they are all dangerous and should be opposed and brought to book regardless.. However , in the majority of cases warnings were given and where they were not something went wrong in the communication process. The current terrorists are much more evil engaging in acts such as blowing up planes or placing bombs without warning . trying to attempt to differentiate between levels of evil seems a tad bizarre when they all want to do one harm.. the danger in down playing one lot by using another lot who have been more 'successful' (perhaps a poor analogy) in their twisted aims only serves to take ones eye off the ball so to speak.. radical extremism is just that, end of.. there's no radical extremism 'light' just because one lot hasn't been as far as the other lot doesn't mean they wont do if no one keeps an eye on them .. " If society's resources are to be used in the most effective manner possible I thought it would be crucial to risk assess the various terrorist groups and use our resources to figet the most dangerous ones . The authorities have limited resources available  | |||
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"A fascinating but frightening article on the far right in the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/18/far-right-home-in-west-yorkshire-britain-first?INTCMP=sfl The far right are an irrelevant and insignificant threat . Most people just ignore them. Unfortunately we cannot do the same with terrorists who are prepared to blow up planes and place bombs in public places . I know where my concerns lie . I dont know many people concerned about the far right placing bombs or killing innocent people . The far rigbt can be dismissed as an irrelevant minority . " I'm quiet sure that a number of minority groups in the UK would disagree with you. Over the years the NF/BNP and their like have been involved in many terrorist acts against a fair selection of people. This is probably most obvious in their attacks against mosques but also included going after the Jewish and LGBT communities and probably many others. | |||
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"A fascinating but frightening article on the far right in the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/18/far-right-home-in-west-yorkshire-britain-first?INTCMP=sfl The far right are an irrelevant and insignificant threat . Most people just ignore them. Unfortunately we cannot do the same with terrorists who are prepared to blow up planes and place bombs in public places . I know where my concerns lie . I dont know many people concerned about the far right placing bombs or killing innocent people . The far rigbt can be dismissed as an irrelevant minority . The bomb threats are very scary at the moment that lady terror warned their will be karnage this summer on the trains in central london and parts of Spain also.I for one am concerned for people I know and family who have to travel into central London to work etc...scary times" I grew up in London. I work in a building close to a main line station and every week for the twenty years I've worked there the bomb alarm is tested. I visit government buildings with the terror threat alert on display. The difference is now it's on a computer screen instead of a flip chart. I'm 55 and can't remember there not being terror threats in London...so scary times? No, business as usual. | |||
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