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" I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes, wondering if I want to live in this country anymore." I had tears earlier when I saw the photo of her husband and kids. | |||
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"I really despair at all the hate in the world" Me too. | |||
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" I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes, wondering if I want to live in this country anymore." The whole world has gone crazy love....hate everywhere unfortunately | |||
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"if we leave the eu, and hanging gets voted in, the murderer can be the first" Thankfully, that's never going to happen. | |||
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"i know she was one of the mp's who was brilliant on the issue of syrian refugee's... some of her commons speeches were fantastic and her maiden speech is one of the better ones i have heard in a long time..... the fact she leaves behind 2 young kids is heartbreaking..... " She was an aid worker. How awesome is that? She cared enough to go out and help! | |||
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"if we leave the eu, and hanging gets voted in, the murderer can be the first" Please refrain from E.U. talk. | |||
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" She is being described as one of the good ones, there to fight for her constituents and us all and willing to work with everyone. " A fellow MP said she was one of the ones they couldn't afford to lose. I thought that was a nice sentiment about what it must have been like to work with her. | |||
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" She is being described as one of the good ones, there to fight for her constituents and us all and willing to work with everyone. A fellow MP said she was one of the ones they couldn't afford to lose. I thought that was a nice sentiment about what it must have been like to work with her. " It was Stephen Kinnock. His tribute was very moving. | |||
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"I'd like to see a news spotlight on her career to date. Ultimately she was in harms way because she was passionate about making a change in our country. Surely the ultimate tribute is to show what she believed in and give real attention to what she was trying to achieve? " In time but now we are looking at a mother, a wife, a daughter, a sister? Private pain. | |||
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" I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes, wondering if I want to live in this country anymore." My thoughts exactly - I'm horrified. | |||
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"I'd like to see a news spotlight on her career to date. Ultimately she was in harms way because she was passionate about making a change in our country. Surely the ultimate tribute is to show what she believed in and give real attention to what she was trying to achieve? " R4 are doing that on the PM show. They are playing her Maiden Speech now. | |||
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"I'd like to see a news spotlight on her career to date. Ultimately she was in harms way because she was passionate about making a change in our country. Surely the ultimate tribute is to show what she believed in and give real attention to what she was trying to achieve? R4 are doing that on the PM show. They are playing her Maiden Speech now. " Thanks | |||
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"I'd like to see a news spotlight on her career to date. Ultimately she was in harms way because she was passionate about making a change in our country. Surely the ultimate tribute is to show what she believed in and give real attention to what she was trying to achieve? R4 are doing that on the PM show. They are playing her Maiden Speech now. " She's very compelling and confident. | |||
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" I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes, wondering if I want to live in this country anymore." It's not just this country though is it. That's part of what is so horrific | |||
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"Her husband has released a statement. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/16/eu-referendum-live-osborne-brexit-budget-leave-tories?page=with:block-5762d827e4b0a88a1c872dae&CMP=share_btn_tw#block-5762d827e4b0a88a1c872dae" That has made the tears fall. So brave and so full of love. | |||
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"Her husband has released a statement. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/16/eu-referendum-live-osborne-brexit-budget-leave-tories?page=with:block-5762d827e4b0a88a1c872dae&CMP=share_btn_tw#block-5762d827e4b0a88a1c872dae That has made the tears fall. So brave and so full of love." He mentions the hate that killed her several times. That's very worrying. | |||
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"Her husband has released a statement. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/16/eu-referendum-live-osborne-brexit-budget-leave-tories?page=with:block-5762d827e4b0a88a1c872dae&CMP=share_btn_tw#block-5762d827e4b0a88a1c872dae That has made the tears fall. So brave and so full of love. He mentions the hate that killed her several times. That's very worrying. " It's hours after her death and his pain must be horrendous. I truly hope it wasn't hate that led to her death but it can't be ruled out. | |||
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"if we leave the eu, and hanging gets voted in, the murderer can be the first" A young mother has been murdered and you're making ridiculous political statements. Please show some respect. | |||
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" He mentions the hate that killed her several times. That's very worrying. " well it is being alledged that the attacker was shouting something during the attack.... if it is true.. its no better than domestic terrorism in my eyes... | |||
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"Her husband has released a statement. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/16/eu-referendum-live-osborne-brexit-budget-leave-tories?page=with:block-5762d827e4b0a88a1c872dae&CMP=share_btn_tw#block-5762d827e4b0a88a1c872dae" just read it.. so poignant, said with bravery and so true in its sentiment.. so very sad a needless waste of a young life.. | |||
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"Who?" Labour MP elected in 2015 for Birstall. | |||
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"Who? Labour MP elected in 2015 for Birstall. " Ahhh so sorry | |||
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"I cried when I found out. So sad. " I wish I could cry. I'm just sat in shock | |||
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" I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes, wondering if I want to live in this country anymore." I can understand that but I believe that the fact we are all so shocked and upset by it is because this is not the norm in this country. Thankfully. | |||
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"How senseless is everything that can ever be written, done, or thought, when such things are possible. It must be all lies and of no account when the culture of a thousand years could not prevent this stream of hate and anger being poured out To strike down a maiden of honour and moral being serves no purpose save to cradle her tears and weep for her children. Hate and anger have no place in the world of those who seek to conciliate and in the work that is good from this human race. The futility of ignorance and injustice is there to be seen, She never turned away she listened and vowed to heal and reconcile those soiled by anger and hate. When all the arrows that we have are cast We may ask one another why we hate And fail to find a story to relate. It may seem then to us a mystery That we should hate each other for no valid reason . Sleep forever " How lovely x | |||
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"if we leave the eu, and hanging gets voted in, the murderer can be the first" Judging from her record I don't think that she would have wanted that. You don't honour her memory by going so pliantly against her beliefs. I also think it's totaly inappropriate to use this sad event to try to promote the BREXIT cause. | |||
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"if we leave the eu, and hanging gets voted in, the murderer can be the first Judging from her record I don't think that she would have wanted that. You don't honour her memory by going so pliantly against her beliefs. I also think it's totaly inappropriate to use this sad event to try to promote the BREXIT cause. " here here BOTH sides stopped campaigning for the day as a mark of respect shame some cannot do the same | |||
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"I'm pleased the BBC has taken off all political programmes tonight and honouring the temporary halt on campaigning. " | |||
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"Absolutely appalling. The hatred being whipped up in Britain is like nothing we've seen before. Not much wonder if had an impact on someone with mental health issues. We have lost a wonderfully, compassionate women. RIP Jo Cox. I will be voting remain and dedicating my vote to this beacon of tolerance. " | |||
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"People with courage and compassion like Jo help to make Britain greater.She'll be much missed." | |||
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"It seems campaigning has now ceased until Saturday. " Campaigning should cease entirely! | |||
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"The BBC News 24 host looks like she's about to start crying. I still can't believe a British MP has been murdered in our streets. " A family friend on C4 was in a similar state trying to talk about her and her children - had me tearing up too. You describe my own disbelief perfectly. | |||
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"I had never heard of this lady when I went to work this morning and no doubt many others in here hadn't either. However, I find myself in a state of shock, grief and mourning. Not only for the MP, the wife, the mum, the friend that has been lost but for what could have been. A beacon of light and hope has just gone out in an increasingly selfish and cynical world. That, in itself, is as tragic as the way the events of today have unfolded before the people of Birstall. A truly sad day x" I agree. I find it incredibly sad and shocking. Sending love and strength to her family and friends ... | |||
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"No one should die for such an insignificant referendum - UK newspapers have a lot to answer for, stoking up hate just to sell papers..." Let's save all those type comments for another day. It's too raw to deal with now. Jo Cox RIP | |||
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"It seems campaigning has now ceased until Saturday. " I hope not. Somehow I don't think she would have wanted the 'Remain' side silenced by the actions of what looks like an extremist Brexiteer Mr ddc | |||
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"if we leave the eu, and hanging gets voted in, the murderer can be the first Judging from her record I don't think that she would have wanted that. You don't honour her memory by going so pliantly against her beliefs. I also think it's totaly inappropriate to use this sad event to try to promote the BREXIT cause. here here BOTH sides stopped campaigning for the day as a mark of respect shame some cannot do the same " | |||
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"It seems campaigning has now ceased until Saturday. I hope not. Somehow I don't think she would have wanted the 'Remain' side silenced by the actions of what looks like an extremist Brexiteer Mr ddc" If you actually saw or heard the News on TV or radio, both Remain and Brexit leaders called off campaigning as a mark of respect and not from the supposed politics leanings of her killer. | |||
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"It seems campaigning has now ceased until Saturday. I hope not. Somehow I don't think she would have wanted the 'Remain' side silenced by the actions of what looks like an extremist Brexiteer Mr ddc" I think you know what my thoughts on this are but even this is too political for tonight. Tomorrow we can fight her fight. Tonight we should all just wish her rest in peace | |||
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"It seems campaigning has now ceased until Saturday. I hope not. Somehow I don't think she would have wanted the 'Remain' side silenced by the actions of what looks like an extremist Brexiteer Mr ddc" The BBC said something about the campaign resuming on Saturday. I took that to mean both sides. It would be in very bad taste if one side is out tomorrow when the other isn't. It could well be that the police have advised that in order to put extra security in place for further events from Saturday onwards. | |||
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"It seems campaigning has now ceased until Saturday. I hope not. Somehow I don't think she would have wanted the 'Remain' side silenced by the actions of what looks like an extremist Brexiteer Mr ddc If you actually saw or heard the News on TV or radio, both Remain and Brexit leaders called off campaigning as a mark of respect and not from the supposed politics leanings of her killer." I never said they did. But we now know he had links to a far-right group campaigning to leave the EU. Originally it was suspended "for the day", today is another day, Saturday will be yet another. For how many days would you wish us to be silent? | |||
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"It seems campaigning has now ceased until Saturday. I hope not. Somehow I don't think she would have wanted the 'Remain' side silenced by the actions of what looks like an extremist Brexiteer Mr ddc I think you know what my thoughts on this are but even this is too political for tonight. Tomorrow we can fight her fight. Tonight we should all just wish her rest in peace" I do know your thoughts. I believe they were along the lines of "I'm not going to post again". I must have missed the implicit "so no-one else should either"... | |||
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"It seems campaigning has now ceased until Saturday. I hope not. Somehow I don't think she would have wanted the 'Remain' side silenced by the actions of what looks like an extremist Brexiteer Mr ddc I think you know what my thoughts on this are but even this is too political for tonight. Tomorrow we can fight her fight. Tonight we should all just wish her rest in peace I do know your thoughts. I believe they were along the lines of "I'm not going to post again". I must have missed the implicit "so no-one else should either"..." Not at all. I just think a brief period of quite reflection at a time like this is probably better than anything else. We've all perhaps allowed are worst feelings about those who oppose us get the better of us during this campaign. I think to come out fighting now would simply send the wrong signal. We should be thinking about her and the personal loss of her loved ones, at least for a while. But it's just my personal thoughts. | |||
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" Not at all. I just think a brief period of quite reflection at a time like this is probably better than anything else. We've all perhaps allowed are worst feelings about those who oppose us get the better of us during this campaign. I think to come out fighting now would simply send the wrong signal. We should be thinking about her and the personal loss of her loved ones, at least for a while. But it's just my personal thoughts." I agree, and if you check my green arrow you will see that I (for one of us) have been totally silent (apart from my initial post) until the OP appeared to open the thread to a more general discussion. So please don't play the 'holier than thou' game with me. | |||
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"No one should die for such an insignificant referendum - UK newspapers have a lot to answer for, stoking up hate just to sell papers..." They are just giving you the facts, telling it as it is. | |||
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"No one should die for such an insignificant referendum - UK newspapers have a lot to answer for, stoking up hate just to sell papers... They are just giving you the facts, telling it as it is." Funniest thing I have read in some time | |||
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"Is this not a terrorist stack by a radicalised English christian?" that is funny. | |||
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"Is this not a terrorist stack by a radicalised English christian? that is funny." What's unfunny here are BOTH your comments. PLEASE stop. | |||
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"Is this not a terrorist stack by a radicalised English christian? that is funny. What's unfunny here are BOTH your comments. PLEASE stop. " It wasn't meant to be funny, far from it, when someone sdsdhouts Britain firstyfirsty as tbhery attack and murder someone, who was known for defending child refugees, something is really wrong | |||
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"Is this not a terrorist stack by a radicalised English christian? that is funny. What's unfunny here are BOTH your comments. PLEASE stop. It wasn't meant to be funny, far from it, when someone sdsdhouts Britain firstyfirsty as tbhery attack and murder someone, who was known for defending child refugees, something is really wrong" For goodness sake go and read what her husband said about hatred before you embarrass yourself further | |||
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"Until yesterday I'd never heard of Jo Cox. I'd also become immune to such senseless acts, or so I thought. I watched and read in total shock. Someone who it appears worked tirelessly for others, and in some right hell holes, gunned down and stabbed whilst working in the UK: unbelievable. What a sad and tragic day: her poor, poor family. " This I'd never heard of her but was reduced to tears last night by tge sadness of her death | |||
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"Until yesterday I'd never heard of Jo Cox. I'd also become immune to such senseless acts, or so I thought. I watched and read in total shock. Someone who it appears worked tirelessly for others, and in some right hell holes, gunned down and stabbed whilst working in the UK: unbelievable. What a sad and tragic day: her poor, poor family. " its a sad and tragic day for this country.. | |||
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"Is this not a terrorist stack by a radicalised English christian?" No, it will be by someone with mental health issues, disenfranchised in some way, a lone wolf, living with his mum. | |||
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"Is this not a terrorist stack by a radicalised English christian? No, it will be by someone with mental health issues, disenfranchised in some way, a lone wolf, living with his mum." Not a married man then. | |||
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"Is this not a terrorist stack by a radicalised English christian? No, it will be by someone with mental health issues, disenfranchised in some way, a lone wolf, living with his mum." It said he has lived on his own for 20 years. He did have mental health problems. | |||
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"Disgusted with the way some people here think. She was murdered, this is all I know so far, until investigations prove why, I suggest remaining silent as opposed to theorising. " " a 52 year old man was arrested nearby in connection with the incident" That will do for the moment. | |||
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" No, it will be by someone with mental health issues, disenfranchised in some way, a lone wolf, living with his mum." True he had history of mental health problems and lived with his mum. It seems however he was also a subscriber to a "hard-right group" It seems this is another case where failings by police and medical authorities have led to tragic consequences | |||
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"Like so many people across the UK, we never met her but possibly heard about her through political events, programmes or in the media. I unashamedly, shed a few tears tonight when I heard this news. She was only doing the job she loved representing those who did or didn't vote for her with equality and dignity. This. But it only took a minute for someone with a mixed up mind or misguided _iews to destroy that dedication of hers. Whatever we may say about how much we love or hate MP's, they do a job which many of us wouldn't necessarily do in a country where they can still exercise freedom of speech and carry out their function in relative safety, harmony and understanding. Tonight's tributes on TV, Radio etc said it all; very profound and for once, politicians and allied political groups from all sides coming together in solidarity. RIP." | |||
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"if we leave the eu, and hanging gets voted in, the murderer can be the first" She was completely convinced that we should stay in the EU and clearly opposed to the death penelty! Have a look at what her husband said about hate | |||
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"I was aware of Jo Cox, but only through her charity work. Such a sad loss. Our personal thoughts are with her Husband, children, family and friends. I hope they find the strength to cope with the loss and the aftermath. I am reminded of the following quote, which was brought to my attention when a much-loved comrade fell on the battlefield... "The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known struggle, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths. These persons have an appreciation, a sensitivity, and an understanding of life that fills them with compassion, gentleness, and a deep loving concern. Beautiful people do not just happen". God's speed young lady. " The best post on here, very well said | |||
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"Osborne's speech on Jo was quite moving and Sarah Brown spoke very eloquently. " Agreed so good to hear people who are normally opponents drawn together and clear how genuine it all is | |||
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"Tragic this lady died in horrific circumstances but what im hating at the moment is the remain campaigners using her death to increase awareness just this morning ive seen things like 'I'll dedicate my vote to her' I just dont get it, sorry " It's a knee-jerk gesture in a # world. I don't understand people leaving flowers at an accident when they don't know the person but they do because people feel a need to make a gesture. You choose to see it as Remain raising awareness, and some will be but most will just be expressing their gesture to the hate and hopelessness of this terrible event. | |||
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"Tragic this lady died in horrific circumstances but what im hating at the moment is the remain campaigners using her death to increase awareness just this morning ive seen things like 'I'll dedicate my vote to her' I just dont get it, sorry " People are allowed to do what they want. She was an outspoken Remain supporter, and people who were already voting to stay in will say things to support that and their vote. It doesn't stop people from mourning the senseless death of this woman. | |||
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"Tragic this lady died in horrific circumstances but what im hating at the moment is the remain campaigners using her death to increase awareness just this morning ive seen things like 'I'll dedicate my vote to her' I just dont get it, sorry " Unfortunately, some people will try and take advantage and use this tragic incident for political mileage. Not the first such case, sadly, won't be the last. | |||
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"Tragic this lady died in horrific circumstances but what im hating at the moment is the remain campaigners using her death to increase awareness just this morning ive seen things like 'I'll dedicate my vote to her' I just dont get it, sorry " "I'll dedicate my vote to her" seems a mild and dignified response compared to the feeding frenzy of hate that some people would like to raise. | |||
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"How did someone with mental illness get hold of a gun?" Bought it for a few quid in a pub probably. You can't buy handguns at all legally in UK. But you can buy an illegal gun in any inner city in a matter of hours | |||
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"How did someone with mental illness get hold of a gun? Bought it for a few quid in a pub probably. You can't buy handguns at all legally in UK. But you can buy an illegal gun in any inner city in a matter of hours " could be many options he could have made it or it could have been a black powder where no license required or as said illegal gun source | |||
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"How did someone with mental illness get hold of a gun?" There was talk on the news yesterday that it was an old gun. I can't remember the terminology they used for it, but it wasn't a new gun. And now we know he bought gun manuals from white supremacists in the US. | |||
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" or it could have been a black powder where no license required " A point of correction; Black powder guns require a Licence. And you need a second Licence to purchase the black powder itself. Both of which are extremely difficult to obtain. | |||
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" or it could have been a black powder where no license required A point of correction; Black powder guns require a Licence. And you need a second Licence to purchase the black powder itself. Both of which are extremely difficult to obtain." as far as I am aware its only an explosive licence I never knew you needed a licence to buy black powder, I will ask friends who own them strange as you do not need a license to purchase gun powder you don't need a license to buy shells or bullet heads or primers its only when you assemble and complete the round that you "should" then add the amount you have made onto your firearm certificate I can go into greater detail if required | |||
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