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By *orseydave OP   Man
over a year ago

Norwich NR5

As an employer this EU vote worries me, firstly the vote itself and secondly how people who never bother to vote, now seem to think that farage & his fellow clowns are the answer to the UK's problems.

Of my 4 barmaids, 2 are eastern european, they work there shifts without complaint, dress accordingly,are always on time and never ever cry off work... The English girls seem to have a monopoly on period pains, boyfriend problems, child care difficulties, long hours and struggle to read the time unless it says closing time.

We as a nation have bred a generation of workshy youngsters who think the Bank of Mum & Dad is the equivalent of Lloyds & Barclays and that the dole is a career move. And before anyone say's it's all about cheap labour, that's a fallacy, My girls all earn £12.40 per hr (£10 net), get £100 birthday & Xmas bonus.

My brother manages a potato packing business, they cannot recruit English staff, yet the eastern European's are taking home the thick side of £800 a week and spending their wages in local shops, pubs and renting houses.. The english have only their dole money (OUR money) to spend, WE pay there rent and people want to leave Europe ? great idea if English youngsters will learn a work ethic, bad idea if they will still want there bottom wiped for them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So true... I was in pub with multicultural friends a few nights ago....5 older English people start talking loudly about how the EU has done nothing for this country apart from give them European low life scum that are taking their jobs...... But then we're discussing about going to the villa in Spain......

I don't understand how some people can be so racist but yet expect every other country to accept the british with open arms....

This referendum and the lies and miss truths from both sides is beyond me...

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

There will be those who want to shout you down as not knowing what your talking about but, to a fair extent, I agree with you.

I work for an company that employs 12'000 people on decent money (well above minimum wage) and around 2'500 are EU migrants.

Our Brit workers are great people too or they wouldn't be here but our turnover is based on new recruits not making the grade for all the problems you listed and are almost entirely from the Brit contingent.

In a previous role within the company I would interview up to 60 people a week as many as a third of the Brit candidates were there as they had been sent from the Employment office and had no Intention of working.

A hard working, inteligent, presentable and competent EU migrant is not stealing your job when your idea of a hard days work is falling out of bed in time to watch Jeremy Kyle before turning up late and scruffily dressed to an interview you don't want to be at then heading for the pub.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've got two questions really.

Firstly you say there taking home 800 quid a week but can't find UK workers?... That's a bit unbelievable to be honest!.

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Secondly your Eastern European barmaids.... Do they have children, childcare issues,boyfreinds?

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We've had about a dozen UK barman/barmaids in our pub and they've all been great quite a few from 18-20 in between uni

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I watched question time yesterday and it was good, a spanish woman said a good point, that if it is a brexit, nhs would fall apart and there would be hardly no care workers for the elderly cos more than 80% of staff is foreign, as well, cleaners and those pickers on fields such as strawberries. Cos the english dont take those jobs.

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By *o-jCouple
over a year ago

Outskirts of Notts

We know what will happen if we stay , the same as we are now as for leave well it's all supposition really .

I'm looking forward to the 24th when we can go back to normal posts , well normally for this site .

Jo x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where do people get the idea that the out campaign want to stop immigration.

All I have heard them say is reduce immigration not stop it, it just means some controls

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As an employer this EU vote worries me, firstly the vote itself and secondly how people who never bother to vote, now seem to think that farage & his fellow clowns are the answer to the UK's problems.

Of my 4 barmaids, 2 are eastern european, they work there shifts without complaint, dress accordingly,are always on time and never ever cry off work... The English girls seem to have a monopoly on period pains, boyfriend problems, child care difficulties, long hours and struggle to read the time unless it says closing time.

We as a nation have bred a generation of workshy youngsters who think the Bank of Mum & Dad is the equivalent of Lloyds & Barclays and that the dole is a career move. And before anyone say's it's all about cheap labour, that's a fallacy, My girls all earn £12.40 per hr (£10 net), get £100 birthday & Xmas bonus.

My brother manages a potato packing business, they cannot recruit English staff, yet the eastern European's are taking home the thick side of £800 a week and spending their wages in local shops, pubs and renting houses.. The english have only their dole money (OUR money) to spend, WE pay there rent and people want to leave Europe ? great idea if English youngsters will learn a work ethic, bad idea if they will still want there bottom wiped for them"

£800 a week for picking potatoes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fucking hell I'll come pack potatoes for the thick side of £3200 a month!

And barmaids on over £12ph? And you can't get reliable English staff?

Sorry but I'm calling bullshit on this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As an employer this EU vote worries me, firstly the vote itself and secondly how people who never bother to vote, now seem to think that farage & his fellow clowns are the answer to the UK's problems.

Of my 4 barmaids, 2 are eastern european, they work there shifts without complaint, dress accordingly,are always on time and never ever cry off work... The English girls seem to have a monopoly on period pains, boyfriend problems, child care difficulties, long hours and struggle to read the time unless it says closing time.

We as a nation have bred a generation of workshy youngsters who think the Bank of Mum & Dad is the equivalent of Lloyds & Barclays and that the dole is a career move. And before anyone say's it's all about cheap labour, that's a fallacy, My girls all earn £12.40 per hr (£10 net), get £100 birthday & Xmas bonus.

My brother manages a potato packing business, they cannot recruit English staff, yet the eastern European's are taking home the thick side of £800 a week and spending their wages in local shops, pubs and renting houses.. The english have only their dole money (OUR money) to spend, WE pay there rent and people want to leave Europe ? great idea if English youngsters will learn a work ethic, bad idea if they will still want there bottom wiped for them"

£1k a week packing spuds ? No way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where do people get the idea that the out campaign want to stop immigration.

All I have heard them say is reduce immigration not stop it, it just means some controls "

Well said

It is all about THE CONTROL of IMMIGRATION

ensuring the UK gets people with the required skills whilst also ensuring no criminal background, good medical health, including health insurance and the correct paperwork at hand

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By *oleLottaLoveCouple
over a year ago

Warrington

Do you think they would give us the vote if it would make any difference..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Then may I say in my opinion and for what I see while I'm delivering your the exception I can tell you that mostly it's lowered the living of local people one factory employed 50 English when I started going there 4 yrs ago on £8.50 now all Polish and Lithuanian on national average and I see this happening everywhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How long before this thread turns into entrenched views and slanging match?

Personally, I think it's getting off to a slow start because of the football. I expect a surge at half time and then for it to really degenerate at full time!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How long before this thread turns into entrenched views and slanging match?

Personally, I think it's getting off to a slow start because of the football. I expect a surge at half time and then for it to really degenerate at full time! "

That's when I leave, I do try not to get in the middle of the bitchin.

The leavers wouldn't change there minds the same go's for the stayers.

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex


"As an employer this EU vote worries me, firstly the vote itself and secondly how people who never bother to vote, now seem to think that farage & his fellow clowns are the answer to the UK's problems.

Of my 4 barmaids, 2 are eastern european, they work there shifts without complaint, dress accordingly,are always on time and never ever cry off work... The English girls seem to have a monopoly on period pains, boyfriend problems, child care difficulties, long hours and struggle to read the time unless it says closing time.

We as a nation have bred a generation of workshy youngsters who think the Bank of Mum & Dad is the equivalent of Lloyds & Barclays and that the dole is a career move. And before anyone say's it's all about cheap labour, that's a fallacy, My girls all earn £12.40 per hr (£10 net), get £100 birthday & Xmas bonus.

My brother manages a potato packing business, they cannot recruit English staff, yet the eastern European's are taking home the thick side of £800 a week and spending their wages in local shops, pubs and renting houses.. The english have only their dole money (OUR money) to spend, WE pay there rent and people want to leave Europe ? great idea if English youngsters will learn a work ethic, bad idea if they will still want there bottom wiped for them"

well i disagree unless you produce scientific evidence. Your anridotal evidence may be apllicable to you but if you move away from your country then you already have shown you have a comitment and desire to do well and work hard and you are going to make the move to another country work. Many of the eastern europan lazy people have been left at home in their own countries.

both the Brits and the migrant workers want to better things I like to think we have the youth of today have be bred to have bigger ambitions than to just be bartenders.

do not get me wrong I will ve voting in.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

If there's an equal opportunities interview process then there is no reason why a non English person shouldn't get the job, all things being equal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Line me up for spud Pickering I am packing my bag now! I'm self employed and cannot earn that kind of money

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By *orseydave OP   Man
over a year ago

Norwich NR5


"I've got two questions really.

Firstly you say there taking home 800 quid a week but can't find UK workers?... That's a bit unbelievable to be honest!.

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Secondly your Eastern European barmaids.... Do they have children, childcare issues,boyfreinds?

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We've had about a dozen UK barman/barmaids in our pub and they've all been great quite a few from 18-20 in between uni"

The difference is the Europeans have a work ethic that means "work" comes first.

Re the £800 a week, it's true, the girls grading spuds work a 7am till 5pm shift, yes it's dirty boring work and I'm nt sure I'd choose to do it, but these europeans have'nt much choice if they want a good standard of living

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why not call a hault to referendum today, same as MP's on both sides

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You realise that's more money than the vast majority of teachers, nurses, fire officers, police officers don't you?

It equates to a salary of £41,600

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've got two questions really.

Firstly you say there taking home 800 quid a week but can't find UK workers?... That's a bit unbelievable to be honest!.

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Secondly your Eastern European barmaids.... Do they have children, childcare issues,boyfreinds?

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We've had about a dozen UK barman/barmaids in our pub and they've all been great quite a few from 18-20 in between uni

The difference is the Europeans have a work ethic that means "work" comes first.

Re the £800 a week, it's true, the girls grading spuds work a 7am till 5pm shift, yes it's dirty boring work and I'm nt sure I'd choose to do it, but these europeans have'nt much choice if they want a good standard of living"

Do you really think a UK person would turn that down? Jesus, that is more than I earned as a qualified solicitor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All remainers have nothing to worry about, if you look back in history at any vote of independence especially the EU (Greece voted out and yet their leader remains anyway) despite any referendum, we will be shackled inside the Union for centuries to come...

Scotland voted 45% in favour of independence from the United Kingdom, that's a large minority....

The only reason The SNP urge to remain in the EU, is part of a long term strategy to remove themselves from the UK... They will NEED the EU to survive as an independent nation.

I'm voting Brexit/Leave as soon as able

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth


"Fucking hell I'll come pack potatoes for the thick side of £3200 a month!

And barmaids on over £12ph? And you can't get reliable English staff?

Sorry but I'm calling bullshit on this. "

I'm with you on that.

OP, if it's paying that sort of money when can I start?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP - not all young Brits are work shy, there are plenty who work very hard. Don't tar them all with the same brush.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

As said above it's about controling immigration numbers not stop it.

Also to take back control of our destiny.

To be honest if you're going to decide the future of our country on barmaids and potato pickers I think we are all doomed...!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fucking hell I'll come pack potatoes for the thick side of £3200 a month!

And barmaids on over £12ph? And you can't get reliable English staff?

Sorry but I'm calling bullshit on this. "

Do u have any vacancies? Haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fucking hell I'll come pack potatoes for the thick side of £3200 a month!

And barmaids on over £12ph? And you can't get reliable English staff?

Sorry but I'm calling bullshit on this.

I'm with you on that.

OP, if it's paying that sort of money when can I start? "

Snap.. 3,200 a month for packing tatties i pack confectionary and make nowhere near that.. talking rubbish

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"We know what will happen if we stay , the same as we are now as for leave well it's all supposition really .

I'm looking forward to the 24th when we can go back to normal posts , well normally for this site .

Jo x"

We won't though. Whichever way it goes (and I think it will be close) the posts about why the decision is wrong will go on alongside the ner, ner, ner, ner, ner, na you should have listened to us posts. There will then be endless posts about the process to leave/why it the referendum needs to be run again/how the economy has been affected by this etc.

I saw this poster (although I have to use a newspaper link to be allowed) and it sums up my fear of where we're heading:

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article8058709.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Donald-Trump-L-kissing-the-Former-Mayor-of-London-and-Conservative-MP-Boris-Johnson.jpg

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Fucking hell I'll come pack potatoes for the thick side of £3200 a month!

And barmaids on over £12ph? And you can't get reliable English staff?

Sorry but I'm calling bullshit on this. "

Where someone quotes their direct experience they are called liars. Where they are quoting what they have been told by someone close to them they are called liars.

Basically, no one is allowed a view unless it agrees with the views of the naysayer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've got two questions really.

Firstly you say there taking home 800 quid a week but can't find UK workers?... That's a bit unbelievable to be honest!.

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Secondly your Eastern European barmaids.... Do they have children, childcare issues,boyfreinds?

.

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We've had about a dozen UK barman/barmaids in our pub and they've all been great quite a few from 18-20 in between uni

The difference is the Europeans have a work ethic that means "work" comes first.

Re the £800 a week, it's true, the girls grading spuds work a 7am till 5pm shift, yes it's dirty boring work and I'm nt sure I'd choose to do it, but these europeans have'nt much choice if they want a good standard of living"
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Could you tell me the name of the factory please, I'd like to apply for a job!...I don't mind dirty boring work, I get filthy in my job as it is.

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Also honestly, I wouldn't put work before my children or my child care problems, my health or my relationship!... So I'm with the "UK barmaids" on that front

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If go out to EU its mean i must go back home?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If go out to EU its mean i must go back home? "

May not be such a bad thing

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Do you think they would give us the vote if it would make any difference.."

Well it will make a difference and they have given you a vote, so what's your point?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What BS the op saying, bar staff £12 an hour, spud picking £800, no way.

Maybe that between them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There will be those who want to shout you down as not knowing what your talking about but, to a fair extent, I agree with you.

I work for an company that employs 12'000 people on decent money (well above minimum wage) and around 2'500 are EU migrants.

Our Brit workers are great people too or they wouldn't be here but our turnover is based on new recruits not making the grade for all the problems you listed and are almost entirely from the Brit contingent.

In a previous role within the company I would interview up to 60 people a week as many as a third of the Brit candidates were there as they had been sent from the Employment office and had no Intention of working.

A hard working, inteligent, presentable and competent EU migrant is not stealing your job when your idea of a hard days work is falling out of bed in time to watch Jeremy Kyle before turning up late and scruffily dressed to an interview you don't want to be at then heading for the pub. "

Your company needs to fully read CV of applicants prior to interview, that way you would pick up right away on undesired applicants and save your company both time and money.

From reading your post I wonder what type of business you are in?? especially if Job Centre is sending you applicants, care to enlighten us

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One of the reasons I am voting Leave is to bring back the requirement for correct documents / passports / visa's for travel and work regardless of which country.

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Through the years I have worked in Houston, gulf of México, Spain (Cadiz) and Singapore with absolutely no hassle apart from the mundane boring flights to get you there.

The company you work for takes care of the paperwork & does all background checks, If I had a criminal record, I simply would not be there (no if's and buts)

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Immigration and free movement of people has simply gone out of control and needs to be tied back and properly controlled.

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If we leave the EU we can still travel, we can still work, we just simply need to get off our backsides and ensure all required paperwork is in order.

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over a year ago

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By *lirtyfortygirlCouple
over a year ago

newcastle

It is about different things to different people, I am a small business owner with some Polish workers but I do not directly trade with the EU. I am voting LEAVE as I see no reason why we shouldn't be very successful trading with a global perspective rather than through the myopic lens of the EU. Britain has always played a global role using our island and the seas as a superhighway to global trade direct rather than having to work via Brussells.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is about different things to different people, I am a small business owner with some Polish workers but I do not directly trade with the EU. I am voting LEAVE as I see no reason why we shouldn't be very successful trading with a global perspective rather than through the myopic lens of the EU. Britain has always played a global role using our island and the seas as a superhighway to global trade direct rather than having to work via Brussells."
.. ....well said.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"As an employer this EU vote worries me, firstly the vote itself and secondly how people who never bother to vote, now seem to think that farage & his fellow clowns are the answer to the UK's problems.

Of my 4 barmaids, 2 are eastern european, they work there shifts without complaint, dress accordingly,are always on time and never ever cry off work... The English girls seem to have a monopoly on period pains, boyfriend problems, child care difficulties, long hours and struggle to read the time unless it says closing time.

We as a nation have bred a generation of workshy youngsters who think the Bank of Mum & Dad is the equivalent of Lloyds & Barclays and that the dole is a career move. And before anyone say's it's all about cheap labour, that's a fallacy, My girls all earn £12.40 per hr (£10 net), get £100 birthday & Xmas bonus.

My brother manages a potato packing business, they cannot recruit English staff, yet the eastern European's are taking home the thick side of £800 a week and spending their wages in local shops, pubs and renting houses.. The english have only their dole money (OUR money) to spend, WE pay there rent and people want to leave Europe ? great idea if English youngsters will learn a work ethic, bad idea if they will still want there bottom wiped for them"

Sounds like you run a pub, boss of one of the biggest pub chains in Britain, Wetherspoons Tim Martin is backing the Leave campaign, he has donated the sum of £20,000 to the official vote leave campaign.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Where do people get the idea that the out campaign want to stop immigration.

All I have heard them say is reduce immigration not stop it, it just means some controls "

At last the voice of reason.

Immigration will not stop if we leave the EU, but it will be controlled immigration.

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By *p4funCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth


"It is about different things to different people, I am a small business owner with some Polish workers but I do not directly trade with the EU. I am voting LEAVE as I see no reason why we shouldn't be very successful trading with a global perspective rather than through the myopic lens of the EU. Britain has always played a global role using our island and the seas as a superhighway to global trade direct rather than having to work via Brussells."

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"As an employer this EU vote worries me, firstly the vote itself and secondly how people who never bother to vote, now seem to think that farage & his fellow clowns are the answer to the UK's problems.

Of my 4 barmaids, 2 are eastern european, they work there shifts without complaint, dress accordingly,are always on time and never ever cry off work... The English girls seem to have a monopoly on period pains, boyfriend problems, child care difficulties, long hours and struggle to read the time unless it says closing time.

We as a nation have bred a generation of workshy youngsters who think the Bank of Mum & Dad is the equivalent of Lloyds & Barclays and that the dole is a career move. And before anyone say's it's all about cheap labour, that's a fallacy, My girls all earn £12.40 per hr (£10 net), get £100 birthday & Xmas bonus.

My brother manages a potato packing business, they cannot recruit English staff, yet the eastern European's are taking home the thick side of £800 a week and spending their wages in local shops, pubs and renting houses.. The english have only their dole money (OUR money) to spend, WE pay there rent and people want to leave Europe ? great idea if English youngsters will learn a work ethic, bad idea if they will still want there bottom wiped for them

Sounds like you run a pub, boss of one of the biggest pub chains in Britain, Wetherspoons Tim Martin is backing the Leave campaign, he has donated the sum of £20,000 to the official vote leave campaign. "

Sorry, typo in there he has donated the sum of £200,000 to the official vote Leave campaign. So is something he strongly believes we'll be better off out of the EU.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Where do people get the idea that the out campaign want to stop immigration.

All I have heard them say is reduce immigration not stop it, it just means some controls

At last the voice of reason.

Immigration will not stop if we leave the EU, but it will be controlled immigration. "

The difficultly is that they majority of immigration to the UK over the last decade has come from outside the EU and is already within the gift of the government to act upon.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Where do people get the idea that the out campaign want to stop immigration.

All I have heard them say is reduce immigration not stop it, it just means some controls

At last the voice of reason.

Immigration will not stop if we leave the EU, but it will be controlled immigration.

The difficultly is that they majority of immigration to the UK over the last decade has come from outside the EU and is already within the gift of the government to act upon."

and it wont change after the 24th however the vote goes..

a fact overlooked by the Brexit campaign who have as with the financial numbers lumped them all in together..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fisrtly it was Thatcher's government that decided to flush the youth of this country down the toilet and no government since has done damn all about changing it - far cheaper to import immigrant labour.

For every "hard working" migrant we are also importing criminal gangs and Jeremy Kyle audience versions from 27 other countries. Large families demand council housing here. We are also importing poorly educated people with openly racist and fascist views. Instead of electing a government that will sort out our domestic issues your answer is to import even more problems for future generations to sort out - priceless.

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex


"Where do people get the idea that the out campaign want to stop immigration.

All I have heard them say is reduce immigration not stop it, it just means some controls

At last the voice of reason.

Immigration will not stop if we leave the EU, but it will be controlled immigration. "

unless you trade with the eu they willl not trade withypuublessyou have open borders

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex


"As said above it's about controling immigration numbers not stop it.

Also to take back control of our destiny.

To be honest if you're going to decide the future of our country on barmaids and potato pickers I think we are all doomed...! "

loltrue

although "to take control of our own destiny you make it sound like we are a concored subjugated nation, we are not were meery members of a union. and what is wrong with being part of a european superstate. the USA was originally 2 separate trades union states. we would not be alive when such a state was to or is to come around. all nations come to an en.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"As said above it's about controling immigration numbers not stop it.

Also to take back control of our destiny.

To be honest if you're going to decide the future of our country on barmaids and potato pickers I think we are all doomed...!

loltrue

although "to take control of our own destiny you make it sound like we are a concored subjugated nation, we are not were meery members of a union. and what is wrong with being part of a european superstate. the USA was originally 2 separate trades union states. we would not be alive when such a state was to or is to come around. all nations come to an en. "

No they don't, the EU elite in Brussels are stoking up resentment, and causing division, anger and instability right accross Europe, by continuing to try to dilute national identity with their tunnel visioned ideology of creating a United States of Europe. It will tear the continent apart if they continue down this path, as ex chief of MI6 Sir Richard Dearlove said a few weeks ago, we are starting to see the beginning of this happening already.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36304721

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By *hangovCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

Is it possible that when the Conservatives were seeking re-election they sensed an anti Europe feeling in the party and the population as a whole,and thought that a way to retain power was to offer a referendum on Europe, being prepared to gamble that they could frighten the voting public out of deciding to leave?

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over a year ago


"As said above it's about controling immigration numbers not stop it.

Also to take back control of our destiny.

To be honest if you're going to decide the future of our country on barmaids and potato pickers I think we are all doomed...!

loltrue

although "to take control of our own destiny you make it sound like we are a concored subjugated nation, we are not were meery members of a union. and what is wrong with being part of a european superstate. the USA was originally 2 separate trades union states. we would not be alive when such a state was to or is to come around. all nations come to an en.

No they don't, the EU elite in Brussels are stoking up resentment, and causing division, anger and instability right accross Europe, by continuing to try to dilute national identity with their tunnel visioned ideology of creating a United States of Europe. It will tear the continent apart if they continue down this path, as ex chief of MI6 Sir Richard Dearlove said a few weeks ago, we are starting to see the beginning of this happening already.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36304721"
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over a year ago


"Is it possible that when the Conservatives were seeking re-election they sensed an anti Europe feeling in the party and the population as a whole,and thought that a way to retain power was to offer a referendum on Europe, being prepared to gamble that they could frighten the voting public out of deciding to leave?"

That is a loaded question.

They clearly recognised that it was an issue of importance to the country and offered a referendum on it.

There are, of course, many Tories arguing for an exit.

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over a year ago


"I've got two questions really.

Firstly you say there taking home 800 quid a week but can't find UK workers?... That's a bit unbelievable to be honest!.

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Secondly your Eastern European barmaids.... Do they have children, childcare issues,boyfreinds?

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We've had about a dozen UK barman/barmaids in our pub and they've all been great quite a few from 18-20 in between uni"
this.. Plus being out the eu does not mean migration will stop! If their is a shortage of bar staff or spud pickers they will be allowed in.. !!

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By *hangovCouple
over a year ago

sheffield


"Is it possible that when the Conservatives were seeking re-election they sensed an anti Europe feeling in the party and the population as a whole,and thought that a way to retain power was to offer a referendum on Europe, being prepared to gamble that they could frighten the voting public out of deciding to leave?

That is a loaded question.

They clearly recognised that it was an issue of importance to the country and offered a referendum on it.

There are, of course, many Tories arguing for an exit."

There are many Tories arguing for exit, it was in consideration of that that I mentioned the anti Europe felling within the party

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've got two questions really.

Firstly you say there taking home 800 quid a week but can't find UK workers?... That's a bit unbelievable to be honest!.

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Secondly your Eastern European barmaids.... Do they have children, childcare issues,boyfreinds?

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We've had about a dozen UK barman/barmaids in our pub and they've all been great quite a few from 18-20 in between uni this.. Plus being out the eu does not mean migration will stop! If their is a shortage of bar staff or spud pickers they will be allowed in.. !! "

Precisely - and we can deport the people traffickers, drug gangs and pimps and keep out those who bring crime here.

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley


"As an employer this EU vote worries me, firstly the vote itself and secondly how people who never bother to vote, now seem to think that farage & his fellow clowns are the answer to the UK's problems.

Of my 4 barmaids, 2 are eastern european, they work there shifts without complaint, dress accordingly,are always on time and never ever cry off work... The English girls seem to have a monopoly on period pains, boyfriend problems, child care difficulties, long hours and struggle to read the time unless it says closing time.

We as a nation have bred a generation of workshy youngsters who think the Bank of Mum & Dad is the equivalent of Lloyds & Barclays and that the dole is a career move. And before anyone say's it's all about cheap labour, that's a fallacy, My girls all earn £12.40 per hr (£10 net), get £100 birthday & Xmas bonus.

My brother manages a potato packing business, they cannot recruit English staff, yet the eastern European's are taking home the thick side of £800 a week and spending their wages in local shops, pubs and renting houses.. The english have only their dole money (OUR money) to spend, WE pay there rent and people want to leave Europe ? great idea if English youngsters will learn a work ethic, bad idea if they will still want there bottom wiped for them

£800 a week for picking potatoes?

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That's for the team of twenty pickers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven't seen any suggestion on the Brexit side that we should send back any immigrants. First scare story busted.

I haven't seen any suggestion either that we will totally stop all immigration. Second scare story etc etc ...

What I have seen from Brexit are simple statements that a) this country cannot withstand the level of uncontrolled immigration from the EU and b) It is not a numbers game. What has been offered is a points based system that values skills and experience from wherever it comes. And before we get the misrepresenters in that is NOT what we have now for non-EU migration which is also out of control.

I am sure there are workshy people in the UK as there are in Poland and Germany and Australia. Fact of life. But because an unskilled EU immigrant will work silly hours for less than the minimum wage (because they still send home more than they could earn back home) and a British guy cannot afford to do that does not make them 'workshy'.

The big employers make bigger profits because immigrants work for less, suppress overall wages (ask the Bank of England) and its all done on the back of British Taxpayers forking out £ Billions of Tax Credits!! Utter madness. Trade Unions have rightly stood up for decent wages and conditions for generations fighting precisely this push for dumbing down and reducing people's living standards to make bigger short term profits. And I speak as a confirmed Capitalist...

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over a year ago

I don't doubt the wage of potato pickers. My uncle is a farm labourer and I know the farm owner pays people £600 p/w to help with the potato harvest. But its not as if the work is year round

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex


"As said above it's about controling immigration numbers not stop it.

Also to take back control of our destiny.

To be honest if you're going to decide the future of our country on barmaids and potato pickers I think we are all doomed...!

loltrue

although "to take control of our own destiny you make it sound like we are a concored subjugated nation, we are not were meery members of a union. and what is wrong with being part of a european superstate. the USA was originally 2 separate trades union states. we would not be alive when such a state was to or is to come around. all nations come to an en.

No they don't, the EU elite in Brussels are stoking up resentment, and causing division, anger and instability right accross Europe, by continuing to try to dilute national identity with their tunnel visioned ideology of creating a United States of Europe. It will tear the continent apart if they continue down this path, as ex chief of MI6 Sir Richard Dearlove said a few weeks ago, we are starting to see the beginning of this happening already.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36304721.... "

Richard Dearlove was talking about Turkey and the migrant crises.

the EU has not done anything to erode NI. infact tge opposite.

Tge eu was the brainchild of Rivert Schuman, who was Fred up and had witnessed first hand the destruction of war and extreamism. in just over 100years we had the napolionic, revaliuthonary wars,1864 and WWI&II. the opening mantra of what would become the EU was to" end war [in Europe] and to make in economicaly and politicaly unviable ... and to end conflict with democracy". the treaty was originaly signed between his germany [originaly a union of German speaking people brought togeather by Bismarc] and France [originaly a union of medieval French s peaking Frankish and Germanic peoples].

what Schuman noticed and wanted ending was post WWii was conflicing religious and radial identaties like in Ireland and the new continental countries. furthermore in places like tge border of Serbia, Czechoslovakia, Poland were areas of economic andindustrial high productivaty. and thusly disputed.

after WW'S, many continental nations had taken the veiw that patriotism outside of sport was a negative thing. "After all, sport is just war without guns played peacefully". (Oscar wilde was wrighting, with the veiw that sport was devisive I take a different veiw).

closer union was needed to make up in the economic shortfull created by war and for the bigger nations the corroding of their colonial empires.

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