FabSwingers.com forum: Zoos and safari parks

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Is it really right that animals are kept in cages in zoos etc,i think its cruel keeping ,elephants,tigers and gorillas,rhinoceros,giraffes,away from there natural environment,Bristol zoo had a polar bear that went mad ,just paced up and down in a small pen and eventually died,longleat with the tigers and lions ,these are animals but also beasts and will kill,Bristol zoo has crocodiles which are kept in a glass covered cage with a small pool ,its wrong,

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Crocodiles don't actually move very much so don't need tons of space. They remain very still for long periods of time. The lions and tigers at Longleat are free range as far as possible. I agree animals should be given more space though when kept in captivity.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Crocodiles don't actually move very much so don't need tons of space. They remain very still for long periods of time. The lions and tigers at Longleat are free range as far as possible. I agree animals should be given more space though when kept in captivity. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it really right that animals are kept in cages in zoos etc,i think its cruel keeping ,elephants,tigers and gorillas,rhinoceros,giraffes,away from there natural environment,Bristol zoo had a polar bear that went mad ,just paced up and down in a small pen and eventually died,longleat with the tigers and lions ,these are animals but also beasts and will kill,Bristol zoo has crocodiles which are kept in a glass covered cage with a small pool ,its wrong,"

Yes it's right. It says so in the bible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel Zoos and safari parks that help provide conservational/educational programmes offer a valuable service....

I've been lucky enough to travel the world and visit many places and see animals in the wild.

But think it would be utterly arrogant to suggest that those people who don't have the same oppertunity should be denied the option to see those same creatures in well run zoos because of sentimental objections raised by individuals who've become overly precious about the merits of providing wild animals with a greater level of compassion than we afford domestic animals which are routinely farmed for food...

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

I think zoos should be banned, I think longleats ok though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well i love visiting the zoo's and safari parks our country has.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yes its ok in zoos etc but give the enough space to move around ,the gorillas at bristol zoo ans the lions are kept in small places.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"Yes its ok in zoos etc but give the enough space to move around ,the gorillas at bristol zoo ans the lions are kept in small places."

Its not good they aren't meant to be there just to be gawped at, they don't like it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or we could just let them go so the poachers can get them ?

Stop breeding rare breeds so we can keep them from extinction?

Always different sides to the story ??

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"Or we could just let them go so the poachers can get them ?

Stop breeding rare breeds so we can keep them from extinction?

Always different sides to the story ??

Those things don't make it right though, shit happens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm 50/50 on this, unfortunately they are necessary from a conservation aspect, but if we didnt hunt for sport or ivory etc or destroy their habitat then we would not need them.

Well run zoos, such as chester are always looking to expand the size of the enclosures, and become more like a safari park so I can live with going to there and supporting them with money to improve the lives of these great creatures. I will never condone SeaWorld type resorts where whales have the room of about an Olympic swimming pool they are clearly mentally damaging the creatures.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think zoos should be banned, I think longleats ok though."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

my current fave is Dartmoor Zoo.. its beautiful

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I dont think its ok to see a polar bear pacing up and down ,going round and round ,it was so very sad ,and the poor bear died and he wasn't old,thank god they took away the monkey temple that's was awful to,not even one tree for them to play on ,just concrete

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Zoos are dreadful places , Safari parks are not much better.

Anywhere that keeps whales, dolphins and sharks in captivity are totally barbaric.

What pleasure is there in seeing animals caged ?

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By *ilacWoman
over a year ago

Cheshire

I have such mixed feelings about them. Of course, the ideal is every animal to live and breed in their own natural habitat. But then we have to conserve and educate.

It's getting the balance right isn't it? And not turning animals into profit through entertainment and irresponsible breeding.

Recently very much enjoyed a trip to a local safari park and didn't feel uncomfortable by what I saw. Had previous trips to a zoo that were awful.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

The only animals I liked to watch were the monkeys at Longleat and monkey world, and small animals like ducks and rabbits. My son was never that interested in the big animals either.

You can see them on telly or the internet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think zoos should be banned, I think longleats ok though."

So why should all zoo's except Longleat be banned?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only animals I liked to watch were the monkeys at Longleat and monkey world, and small animals like ducks and rabbits. My son was never that interested in the big animals either.

You can see them on telly or the internet."

By tgat logic we may as well do away with art galleries and museums?

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"The only animals I liked to watch were the monkeys at Longleat and monkey world, and small animals like ducks and rabbits. My son was never that interested in the big animals either.

You can see them on telly or the internet.

By tgat logic we may as well do away with art galleries and museums?

Yes we could.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"I think zoos should be banned, I think longleats ok though.

So why should all zoo's except Longleat be banned?"

If you havnt been there google it and see for yourself.

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

I have mixed feelings ....

But I think zoos that breed are in away saving animals from extinction ... some are good at what they do some not so good

I once heard on a radio discussion that some animals are given antidepressants to keep their mood stable ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Zoos and safari parks are used to protect and breed endangered species.

So its not all about them being kept behind bars.

A lot of the animals have been rescued from poachers or where found as orphans and would of died.

If it wasn't for zoos and safari parks then some animals would be near extinction.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think zoos should be banned, I think longleats ok though.

So why should all zoo's except Longleat be banned?"
longleat is a safari park its huge and animals are not caged,they roam free the lions and tigers are in packs ,in bristol zoo they are in a very small environment,but these wild animals should be in the wild.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Zoos and safari parks are used to protect and breed endangered species.

So its not all about them being kept behind bars.

A lot of the animals have been rescued from poachers or where found as orphans and would of died.

If it wasn't for zoos and safari parks then some animals would be near extinction. "
Have you been to bristol zoo ,yes I'm not saying they are not looked after,just the way they keep them in such small places

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends why they're there for me, if an animal has been rescued from cruelty or has been born in captivity to release that animal into the wild would be certain death, in most cases.

There are the odd rehab places but not in our country..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I went to MonkeyWorld in Dorset recently. Vast majority of the animals were rescued from horrendous conditions. ZSL have captive breeding programs and are renowned for conservation work. I have no problems with organisations like this.

I am torn about zoo's and wildlife parks though. But sadly we live in a world where so many species are endangered we need captive breeding to.protect them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only animals I liked to watch were the monkeys at Longleat and monkey world, and small animals like ducks and rabbits. My son was never that interested in the big animals either.

You can see them on telly or the internet."

We won't be able to see them once extinct in the wild.

It's a bit of a catch 22. By people paying to see them, the zoos can afford to do conservation work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think zoos should be banned, I think longleats ok though.

So why should all zoo's except Longleat be banned?

If you havnt been there google it and see for yourself."

I'm just wondering how you can dismiss all zoo's yourself and then make an exception. What are you basing that on? Why should London zoo (as an example) closedown but Longleat is okay?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think zoos should be banned, I think longleats ok though.

So why should all zoo's except Longleat be banned?

If you havnt been there google it and see for yourself.

I'm just wondering how you can dismiss all zoo's yourself and then make an exception. What are you basing that on? Why should London zoo (as an example) closedown but Longleat is okay?"

She did comment about that it was because Longleat is a Safari Park and free roaming on a larger scale in packs.. not one or two of each animal

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"The only animals I liked to watch were the monkeys at Longleat and monkey world, and small animals like ducks and rabbits. My son was never that interested in the big animals either.

You can see them on telly or the internet.

We won't be able to see them once extinct in the wild.

It's a bit of a catch 22. By people paying to see them, the zoos can afford to do conservation work."

I don't think it matters if they become extinct though, its not up to us to intefere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only animals I liked to watch were the monkeys at Longleat and monkey world, and small animals like ducks and rabbits. My son was never that interested in the big animals either.

You can see them on telly or the internet.

We won't be able to see them once extinct in the wild.

It's a bit of a catch 22. By people paying to see them, the zoos can afford to do conservation work.

I don't think it matters if they become extinct though, its not up to us to intefere."

We already have interfered. That's what is driving them to extinction.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"The only animals I liked to watch were the monkeys at Longleat and monkey world, and small animals like ducks and rabbits. My son was never that interested in the big animals either.

You can see them on telly or the internet.

We won't be able to see them once extinct in the wild.

It's a bit of a catch 22. By people paying to see them, the zoos can afford to do conservation work.

I don't think it matters if they become extinct though, its not up to us to intefere.

We already have interfered. That's what is driving them to extinction."

Yes I know but that doesn't make it alright.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only animals I liked to watch were the monkeys at Longleat and monkey world, and small animals like ducks and rabbits. My son was never that interested in the big animals either.

You can see them on telly or the internet.

We won't be able to see them once extinct in the wild.

It's a bit of a catch 22. By people paying to see them, the zoos can afford to do conservation work.

I don't think it matters if they become extinct though, its not up to us to intefere.

We already have interfered. That's what is driving them to extinction.

Yes I know but that doesn't make it alright."

So we carry on unabated until all other life forms on the planet are extinct?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think it matters if they become extinct though, its not up to us to intefere.

We already have interfered. That's what is driving them to extinction."

I was just going to add that point too.

Also evolution would take a long time to occour naturally in the wild, but human intervention has already culled so many and not for the food chain either.

If all the predators were killed for 'trophies'.. how would the natural food chain be effected in the wild? Be over run and would be out of control.

I think there can always be improvements when it comes to animals in captivity however i think its lesser of the two evils when it comes to these wonderful creatures going out of extinction

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You got the tigers balls being used for aphrodisiacs,elephants killed for the ivory ,whales for the blubber,all for mankind ,and they are such beautiful animals and yes one day they will be extinct

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"The only animals I liked to watch were the monkeys at Longleat and monkey world, and small animals like ducks and rabbits. My son was never that interested in the big animals either.

You can see them on telly or the internet.

We won't be able to see them once extinct in the wild.

It's a bit of a catch 22. By people paying to see them, the zoos can afford to do conservation work.

I don't think it matters if they become extinct though, its not up to us to intefere.

We already have interfered. That's what is driving them to extinction.

Yes I know but that doesn't make it alright.

So we carry on unabated until all other life forms on the planet are extinct?"

That's not likely to happen to all animals though. Sometimes in certain curcumstances its better for some to die than live a life of suffering.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And the ones in Bristol are Dawarf Crocodiles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel Zoos and safari parks that help provide conservational/educational programmes offer a valuable service....

I've been lucky enough to travel the world and visit many places and see animals in the wild.

But humans are arrogant, the fact animals are kept in zoos for our entertainment proves that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You got the tigers balls being used for aphrodisiacs,elephants killed for the ivory ,whales for the blubber,all for mankind ,and they are such beautiful animals and yes one day they will be extinct

No no whales are only allowed to be killed for scientific research now days, Japan's quoter for last year was 10,000 whales all in the name of science

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am torn about zoo's and wildlife parks though. But sadly we live in a world where so many species are endangered we need captive breeding to.protect them "

Sings *isnt it hydronic*

That we now have to captive breed certain species to stop them becoming extinct because we drove them to the bring of extinction in the first place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont think its ok to see a polar bear pacing up and down ,going round and round ,it was so very sad ,and the poor bear died and he wasn't old,thank god they took away the monkey temple that's was awful to,not even one tree for them to play on ,just concrete

This was over 25 years ago, I think most zoo's realise that keeping them in captivity is wrong now. There's only 1 at Edinburgh now and it's clear they have no idea what to do with him and very few in captivity anywhere on the world.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I saw a bird in an aviary st a zoo and there were like 300 left in the wild. It would be irresponsible of us to allow them to go extinct so by conserving them and starting a breeding programme, the species might survive. If this means they are kept locked up, then so be it. It's for their own protection.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I also saw a televised Hose of Commons debate. That was quite zoo like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I saw a bird in an aviary st a zoo and there were like 300 left in the wild. It would be irresponsible of us to allow them to go extinct so by conserving them and starting a breeding programme, the species might survive. If this means they are kept locked up, then so be it. It's for their own protection. "

Would you rather die having been a free bird for a short while or live in a cage for a long while ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think on the whole, the majority of zoos and safari parks these days have some sort of breeding programme in place in order to save endangered animals/birds/reptiles etc from extinction, so for that we should be thankful ...

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

Would you rather die having been a free bird for a short while or live in a cage for a long while ? "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think on the whole, the majority of zoos and safari parks these days have some sort of breeding programme in place in order to save endangered animals/birds/reptiles etc from extinction, so for that we should be thankful ..."
Yes i agree just please give them bigger enclosures enough space for them to move around more,i saw the giraffes at bristol zoo a while ago,and where they were put at night was about as big as a stable.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Would you rather die having been a free bird for a short while or live in a cage for a long while ? "

It's too much of an unlikely scenario for me to give a factual (rather than fatuous) reply to, really. I'm not a fan of killing a species to extinction and if that included me as a human, then caged, I suppose. Besides which, I'd be put to stud and have to fuck the remaining ladies.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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Yes it was ,but i remember the bear very well,there were two ,then they got parted and the other went mad,Bristol zoo is not very big at all to have these large animals in,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel Zoos and safari parks that help provide conservational/educational programmes offer a valuable service....

I've been lucky enough to travel the world and visit many places and see animals in the wild.

But humans are arrogant, the fact animals are kept in zoos for our entertainment proves that "

Yes Human are arrogant I don't dispute that...

That's why we introduce intensive breed patters to produce animals we like to eat and we use products derived from their dead bodies to furnish our lifestyle choices without real care of compassion that can be measured in a way that support some animals deserve preferential treatment.....

Which to my way of thinking basically nullifies the argument for eliminating zoos that help preserve the diversity of life on this planet...

I'm a vegetarian btw...... but not for moral reasons... .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem the op is describing is the legacy of zoos which may be older than 100 years, when they were built to exhibit "exotic" animals

Combined with limited space, it's not a god environment for animals.

Modern zoo design has changed a lot and the emphasis is on more natural and larger enclosures.

Conservation is a main priority for many.

There's as much being done behind the scenes, as that which the public sees

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

some of the animals in these places have been rescued from a worse place - so are better off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel Zoos and safari parks that help provide conservational/educational programmes offer a valuable service....

I've been lucky enough to travel the world and visit many places and see animals in the wild.

But humans are arrogant, the fact animals are kept in zoos for our entertainment proves that

Yes Human are arrogant I don't dispute that...

Which to my way of thinking basically nullifies the argument for eliminating zoos that help preserve the diversity of life on this planet...

I'm a vegetarian btw...... but not for moral reasons... .....

I don't eat, wear or used products tested on animals and that includes medication so you'll get no arguments from me on that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I,m mixed on this subject also. Like a previous poster I agree Longleat is a good caring environment for its animals, can't comment on Bristol Zoo as I have never been there. There is the conservation advantage of breeding endangered species in zoo environments ,that may die out without our intervention. I would say it depends from place to place. I am not a fan of keeping elephants in captivity though, as I think it's extremely difficult to cater for their needs. There are a lot of animals, reptiles pets up and down the country being kept in totally inadequate unmonitored conditions in owners homes ect.zoos can help educate people about animal welfare.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it any different from keeping house cats & dogs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I also saw a televised Hose of Commons debate. That was quite zoo like. "

I am now imagining members of the hose of commons.......being hosed ! Lol xxx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Is it any different from keeping house cats & dogs"
I think it is as dogs and cats are domestic pets

you couldn't keep an elephant in your front room and say ,sit boy lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel Zoos and safari parks that help provide conservational/educational programmes offer a valuable service....

I've been lucky enough to travel the world and visit many places and see animals in the wild.

But humans are arrogant, the fact animals are kept in zoos for our entertainment proves that

Yes Human are arrogant I don't dispute that...

Which to my way of thinking basically nullifies the argument for eliminating zoos that help preserve the diversity of life on this planet...

I'm a vegetarian btw...... but not for moral reasons... .....

I don't eat, wear or used products tested on animals and that includes medication so you'll get no arguments from me on that "

I'm not 100% comfortable with everything that goes on in zoo's ....

I'm not even championing the concept of zoo's, but in reality I've never heard anyone offer a practical alternative that doesn't dismiss that society as a whole willing accepts the exploitation of animals which has remained pretty much a constant throughout the history and development of human kind ..... and yet here we are an allegedly civilised species and we allow other humans to die who would otherwise live if we had any true compassion....

Ooo'er yikes..... OMG..... I'm outta here....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I feel Zoos and safari parks that help provide conservational/educational programmes offer a valuable service....

I've been lucky enough to travel the world and visit many places and see animals in the wild.

But humans are arrogant, the fact animals are kept in zoos for our entertainment proves that

Yes Human are arrogant I don't dispute that...

Which to my way of thinking basically nullifies the argument for eliminating zoos that help preserve the diversity of life on this planet...

I'm a vegetarian btw...... but not for moral reasons... .....

I don't eat, wear or used products tested on animals and that includes medication so you'll get no arguments from me on that

I'm not 100% comfortable with everything that goes on in zoo's ....

Ooo'er yikes..... OMG..... I'm outta here....

Its a very cruel world we live in unfortunately .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it any different from keeping house cats & dogs I think it is as dogs and cats are domestic pets

you couldn't keep an elephant in your front room and say ,sit boy lol "

that all depends on how big your home and property is

there are many people who can afford and will keep animals in good condition, plenty of exercise room, regular vet visits, health checks and proper diet, and then you get the ones who cant even look after a cat or dog properly

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Is it any different from keeping house cats & dogs I think it is as dogs and cats are domestic pets

you couldn't keep an elephant in your front room and say ,sit boy lol

that all depends on how big your home and property is

zoo's & safari parks can be okay if properly run, same with national parks, Yellowstone is a good example although you do get the occasional bear and wolf who wander out and threaten communities and humans"
Safari parks are great ,the animals can run around they have space ,but a rhinoceros or an elephant in a zoo ,they are to small for these beautiful creatures.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

My dream is to stay at longleat for a few days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it any different from keeping house cats & dogs I think it is as dogs and cats are domestic pets

you couldn't keep an elephant in your front room and say ,sit boy lol

that all depends on how big your home and property is

zoo's & safari parks can be okay if properly run, same with national parks, Yellowstone is a good example although you do get the occasional bear and wolf who wander out and threaten communities and humans Safari parks are great ,the animals can run around they have space ,but a rhinoceros or an elephant in a zoo ,they are to small for these beautiful creatures."

again that all depends on the Zoo, San Diego zoo was very impressive and provided plenty land for all exhibits

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel Zoos and safari parks that help provide conservational/educational programmes offer a valuable service....

I've been lucky enough to travel the world and visit many places and see animals in the wild.

But humans are arrogant, the fact animals are kept in zoos for our entertainment proves that

Yes Human are arrogant I don't dispute that...

Which to my way of thinking basically nullifies the argument for eliminating zoos that help preserve the diversity of life on this planet...

I'm a vegetarian btw...... but not for moral reasons... .....

I don't eat, wear or used products tested on animals and that includes medication so you'll get no arguments from me on that

I'm not 100% comfortable with everything that goes on in zoo's ....

Ooo'er yikes..... OMG..... I'm outta here....

Its a very cruel world we live in unfortunately .

Nature itself is cruel.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"My dream is to stay at longleat for a few days"
long leat is a great place ,lots to do there

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