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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

A lot of us still feel young at heart. I am 43 but never let that figure get in the way of what I want to do. I dress how I like, I go to whatever places I like, listen to what music I like, and never give a thought to whether I should be doing all of these things at my age.

But what is so noticeable, especially being amongst people of differing age groups, is how far I have developed with age and experience. When I look at young peoples' views on the forums, I can see that youth, the inexperience of life, the influences that other people are having on them etc etc, in every post they make, , even though they themselves would probably disagree. I was exactly the same at that age, we all were.

It just goes to show really that when we made the statements that we "know" more than our mum and dad's, we actually didnt at all, and they were looking at us and thinking, "yeah live with that idealistic view for as long as you can, you will change when you gain experience".

I have a great respect for elderly people because if we all gave them a chance to talk and pass on their fountain of knowledge about life, without assuming that they are losing their marbles and are going senile, then how beneficial would that be to us all.

When you speak to younger people, is it very noticable to you, or if you have spoken to much older people, do they look at you in that "knowingly" way as if they are just humouring you because deep down they know you lack experience and knowledge.

Do younger people feel daunted by someone older and do they feel that they are brushed aside by the opinions of their elders.

Bit deep for Friday morning and 7 in the morning isnt it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

love this thread and surprised no one else has commented on it to be truthful..

I often think to myself that im mature for my age (just 23) but only because i've got a little one now, i've never been into clubbing, i prefer the older music and i spent 5 years living with my grandparents and 4 years working with the elderly.. when the reality is that im NOT older in my years, im just in fact a 23 with a slightly different outlook on life. I have no idea what the reality is on being older is, i just look at myself as a non typical party til 4am young adult who blows wages without much care in the world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The one thing ive learned about life is the fact that you never stop learning xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a youngster was to ask me for advice about life I would tell them that time is not something that stalks us all our lives but it is a companion that travels with us and that we should savour every moment as they'll never come again.

Grasp every opportunity is what I'm basically trying to say because if you think like I did when I was younger - that I had all the time in the world - you soon find that as you enter mid-life you suddenly view time as a premium that is rapidly running out.

I know that sounds contradictory to the statement above but in terms of achieving all you want to in life it is far better to start when you're younger than to leave it until younger people than you have already passed you in the race.

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By *edhotminxWoman
over a year ago

Turn left at the Singing Ringing Tree

I tell my children - everyone has been young once but no-one has been old.

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By *tryxxCouple
over a year ago

central

I agree with all said and indeed have become a lot less gun ho as I get older,and yes to listen to older is to gain knowlege based on experinece, having said that I am now at an age where I still learn from older but also more and more find myself learning from younger people also, win win.

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By *hammydavisMan
over a year ago

glasgow

the day that we to stop learning is the day we should pack up and leave

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

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I'm not 52, I'm 20 with 32 years experience

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No matter how old you are you never know whats around the next corner, life can change so fast

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The 2 comments above are so true

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Cute n Sassy is an excellent example of youth, she is a lovely, fresh, bright, idealistic young woman. I see similarities in lifestyle, I too was at home with a toddler all day and with little adult contact as there was no Internet in the dinosaur days. My opinions were often overlooked, what value did I have, I could write a detailed dissertation on Thomas the Tank Engine and debate for England on whether Pampers were better than Huggies. But I did a good job of bringing up my children, as Cute is doing. I often look at Chris in awe, hes so articulate, intelligent, sensible, I could never develop the skills he has to run a business and be successful in that. Sometimes I feel I could have done more professionally but Ive always worked in the public sector and id be a rubbish businesswoman. Ive learnt a lot, taught my children but theres still so far to go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

iconic that's really nice of you to say those things thank you

I do feel that my opinions don't count when there are issues talked about by certain people, or that my views get pounced on by other members.. however i thought that it what gives these forums we all use another edge and dimension. Everyone is entitled to opinions and we are all free to express them. Makes for a better read.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"iconic that's really nice of you to say those things thank you

I do feel that my opinions don't count when there are issues talked about by certain people, or that my views get pounced on by other members.. however i thought that it what gives these forums we all use another edge and dimension. Everyone is entitled to opinions and we are all free to express them. Makes for a better read. "

23 going on 63 that one lol

Nice ta see xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"23 going on 63 that one lol

Nice ta see xx "

OI

be nice to me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"23 going on 63 that one lol

Nice ta see xx

OI

be nice to me!"

I was lol xx

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"

I do feel that my opinions don't count when there are issues talked about by certain people, or that my views get pounced on by other members.. "

Unless these people are replying "what do you know, you are too young to even have an opinion"... what is it which makes you feel they think your opinions count for nothing? Often it is our own inner thoughts which make us feel such things.

If your opinions get pounced upon (or replied to is another way of looking at it) doesn't that indicate they do think your opinion counts, but just have a different one?

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

soapy your still 18 arent ya mate lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I do feel that my opinions don't count when there are issues talked about by certain people, or that my views get pounced on by other members..

Unless these people are replying "what do you know, you are too young to even have an opinion"... what is it which makes you feel they think your opinions count for nothing? Often it is our own inner thoughts which make us feel such things.

If your opinions get pounced upon (or replied to is another way of looking at it) doesn't that indicate they do think your opinion counts, but just have a different one? "

Ok perhaps my phrasing was wrong again, i just feel that some people wont diversify from their own thoughts to possibly begin to comprehend where my POV comes from.. i can sit back and think 'yeah i see where they are coming from' and my original thoughts become swayed but others are very set in their ways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"soapy your still 18 arent ya mate lol "

Oi i aint that old upstairs pmsl xx

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay


"soapy your still 18 arent ya mate lol

Oi i aint that old upstairs pmsl xx "

ha ha you got a good point lol

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"

I do feel that my opinions don't count when there are issues talked about by certain people, or that my views get pounced on by other members..

Unless these people are replying "what do you know, you are too young to even have an opinion"... what is it which makes you feel they think your opinions count for nothing? Often it is our own inner thoughts which make us feel such things.

If your opinions get pounced upon (or replied to is another way of looking at it) doesn't that indicate they do think your opinion counts, but just have a different one?

Ok perhaps my phrasing was wrong again, i just feel that some people wont diversify from their own thoughts to possibly begin to comprehend where my POV comes from.. i can sit back and think 'yeah i see where they are coming from' and my original thoughts become swayed but others are very set in their ways.

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We can't always tell what other people 'think' when they read someone else's opinions... you may be getting more pauses for thought than you imagine... a few nods... it doesn't mean people will always change their mind, they may just add what you say to their thoughts as another exception to their generalised summary. Or their belief built through actual experiences will stay steadfast regardless of what anyone of any age says, because they believe it 100%.

If you went to a hardressers and they fucked up your hair would you change your opinion about the person who hacked your hair off against your wishes just because someone else said "oh god they are amazing"... regardless of how old the person saying it was?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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We can't always tell what other people 'think' when they read someone else's opinions... you may be getting more pauses for thought than you imagine... a few nods... it doesn't mean people will always change their mind, they may just add what you say to their thoughts as another exception to their generalised summary. Or their belief built through actual experiences will stay steadfast regardless of what anyone of any age says, because they believe it 100%.

If you went to a hardressers and they fucked up your hair would you change your opinion about the person who hacked your hair off against your wishes just because someone else said "oh god they are amazing"... regardless of how old the person saying it was?"

Oh im not a pushover and i do have a backbone, course im not always going to change my opinion based on someone else's argument for a case..

Using your hairdresser comparison thought, i could initially think 'you fucking pleb' but then get used to the new style and realise perhaps i was wrong about my initial thoughts and that it was better than i originally thought.

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By *nvictusMan
over a year ago

Beeston

*waves stick* Will you youngsters speak up, I can't hear you when you mumble like that!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"*waves stick* Will you youngsters speak up, I can't hear you when you mumble like that!! "

Christ if you are old i must be dead xx

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


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Using your hairdresser comparison thought, i could initially think 'you fucking pleb' but then get used to the new style and realise perhaps i was wrong about my initial thoughts and that it was better than i originally thought."

Indeed. It all depends on how strong our beliefs are and our experiences which we base them on.

Some people will say the hairdresser is shit as a knee-jerk reaction because they imagined their new hair cut would be something it could never be... but then warm to it.

Some will say it is fine, but really hate it and just not wish to go against popular opinion.

Some will fucking hate it and think the hairdresser is a twat because it actually is a bad cut, the hairdresser nicked their neck 3 times and they burnt their head with the curling tongues.

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

Where is this hairdresser???

I think it's name and shame time so we can all avoid it.

Not that I will be swayed by the naming and shaming.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"Where is this hairdresser???

I think it's name and shame time so we can all avoid it.

Not that I will be swayed by the naming and shaming."

I thought you'd already been there... at least it looks like you have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that young people are less keen to cut the apron strings these days and I sometimes see this lack of independence as making them remain children when they are in fact grown men and women.

A large percentage of my children's peers are in or nearing their thirties and still at home living with parents or have left the nest and returned when the going gets tough.

It's hard to take their viewpoint on life seriously as they seem to give up and need support from their parents in a lot of situations.

They also seem to want everything handed on a plate and have a fully furnished home the instant they buy it so I think they miss out on a lot on the experience of anticipating and looking forward to getting something material. I remember getting my first house and sitting on bare floorboards. The day we got an automatic washing machine we sat round it watching it do its stuff!!

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden


"Where is this hairdresser???

I think it's name and shame time so we can all avoid it.

Not that I will be swayed by the naming and shaming.

I thought you'd already been there... at least it looks like you have."

Aaaah humour! Interesting.

Now where did I put my fucking Polo thread.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


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Now where did I put my fucking Polo thread."

Is it under your pillow with the Myra Hindley photo?

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden


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Now where did I put my fucking Polo thread.

Is it under your pillow with the Myra Hindley photo?"

Myra Hindley is hot but I prefer her looky-likey

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

maturity isnt in direct corolation to your age . its very much down to the indervidual .there are meny younger members with very mature out looks and views . there are also older members who child like tantrums and dummy spitting are as far from mature as you could get lol!

exsperince as well is also indervidual .there are people much younger from me who have been more places ,have more varied jobs,tired more of their sexual fantasys than i have . so i think i has to be looked at on a person to person basis not on how meny birthdays youve happen to have

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

By the time i was 23 i had run away from home, lived on the streets, been on drugs had a miscarriage and spent four years in an extremely violent relationship. I think i had quite abit of experience about life for a 23 year old, what it did teach me was to think, as you get older you think before you act and hopefully as you get older can sit back and say that you had learned from your mistakes or pat yourself on the back for having done a good job with your life. Nothing can beat the experience that age brings

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"maturity isnt in direct corolation to your age . its very much down to the indervidual .there are meny younger members with very mature out looks and views . there are also older members who child like tantrums and dummy spitting are as far from mature as you could get lol!

exsperince as well is also indervidual .there are people much younger from me who have been more places ,have more varied jobs,tired more of their sexual fantasys than i have . so i think i has to be looked at on a person to person basis not on how meny birthdays youve happen to have "

yeah i agree with that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed, maturity is more experiences than age. When I was 13/14, would travel all over the country on my own, was far more mature than my years. My little ones are barely allowed to corner shop at same age. They have been so 'protected' by us. They come crying they have been 'scammed' on websites by other kids, as they (mostly) tell the truth & are honest. God help them when they leave home!

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

For all the good your parents did teaching you about safety and how to behave, at some point as a teenager your brain has a clearout. It’s part of the rewiring process to prepare us to be adults. Unfortunately this means wiping out all (or most) of what we have learnt about assessing risk, rationalising and thinking about the consequences, also reading other people’s feelings (more so for boys). It’s why teenagers do fucking stupid things, can’t understand why their parents go nuts and then sulk at the word “no”… a lot …. think Kevin and Perry.

It takes time to relearn all of the things our brain erased in the rewiring. Some people are quicker at doing this than others. Some people don’t manage to refill all of the gaps.

Along with this there is the level of emotional intelligence the individual has. EI is not the same as IQ, it is more the measure of how we react to situations and people. People with low EI sulk a lot, blame everyone else a lot and put their own feelings first… second… and may be even third before other people. Of course it’s difficult to see when we are doing this … mainly as we are putting or own feelings first.

Example of low EI “ I hate going skating, they are all fucking stupid for wanting to go skating. Now I have nothing to do, they are so selfish”

Example of high EI “Skating is not for me. They all enjoy it and I bet they have a great time. It is sure to be a laugh when they get back, listening to all the stories.”

People with low EI generally expect everyone else to change.

EI can greatly increase with age, though with all things related to being human, for some more than others.

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By *heekychezzaWoman
over a year ago

warrington

Over the years I had always thought that even when in my late teens-early twenties I was "mature" for my age. Indeed my oldest friend (we were at primary school together) and I quite often commented on the lack of maturity shown by her daughter and her daughter's friends(We're 51, she is 22) and we came to the conclusion that it was because we grew up in very different times.

However......last year another friend (been friends since I was 16)was moving house and came across a box of letters, written by me when I was away in the WRAF (aged 17-21)...and she gave them to me and said have a laugh!!!!

OMFG I was really shocked to see how immature I was....just goes to show that age/life experiences are still very much coloured by our own perceptions and memories

BTW I made a bonfire out of the letters......no way I ever wanted to go there again!

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By *andy muncherMan
over a year ago

Nottingham


"By the time i was 23 i had run away from home, lived on the streets, been on drugs had a miscarriage and spent four years in an extremely violent relationship. I think i had quite abit of experience about life for a 23 year old, what it did teach me was to think, as you get older you think before you act and hopefully as you get older can sit back and say that you had learned from your mistakes or pat yourself on the back for having done a good job with your life. Nothing can beat the experience that age brings"

well said that lady iam i making the same mistakes i made 15 years im starting to wonder the light blub has just come on we must remember our past experiences

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

To the OP i totally agree as you get older you learn everything is not black and white there are areas of grey ,and as can be seen by the letter i posdt below from a 98 yr old woman you learn to defend yourself in different ways ..lol

A 98 year old woman in the UK wrote this to her bank.

The bank manager thought it amusing enough to have it published in the Times.

Dear Sir,

I am writing to thank you for bouncing my cheque with which I endeavoured to pay my plumber last month. By my calculations, three nanoseconds must have elapsed between his presenting the cheque and the arrival in my account of the funds needed to honour it. I refer, of course, to the automatic monthly deposit of my Pension, an arrangement, which, I admit, has been in place for only thirty eight years. You are to be commended for seizing that brief window of opportunity, and also for debiting my account £30 by way of penalty for the inconvenience caused to your bank.

My thankfulness springs from the manner in which this incident has caused me to rethink my errant financial ways. I noticed that whereas I personally attend to your telephone calls and letters, but when I try to contact you, I am confronted by the impersonal, overcharging, pre-recorded, faceless entity which your bank has become. From now on, I, like you, choose only to deal with a flesh-and-blood person. My mortgage and loan payments will therefore and hereafter no longer be automatic, but will arrive at your bank by cheque, addressed personally and confidentially to an employee at your bank whom you must nominate. Be aware that it is an offence under the Postal Act for any other person to open such an envelope.

Please find attached an Application Contact Status which I require your chosen employee to complete. I am sorry it runs to eight pages, but in order that I know as much about him or her as your bank knows about me, there is no alternative. Please note that all copies of his or her medical history must be countersigned by a Solicitor, and the mandatory details of his/her financial situation (income, debts, assets and liabilities) must be accompanied by documented proof. In due course, I will issue your employee with PIN number which he/she must quote in dealings with me. I regret that it cannot be shorter than 28 digits but, again, I have modelled it on the number of button presses required of me to access my account balance on your phone bank service. As they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Let me level the playing field even further. When you call me, press buttons as follows:

1. To make an appointment to see me.

2. To query a missing payment.

3. To transfer the call to my living room in case I am there.

4. To transfer the call to my bedroom in case I am sleeping.

5. To transfer the call to my toilet in case I am attending to nature.

6. To transfer the call to my mobile phone if I am not at home.

7. To leave a message on my computer (a password to access my computer is required.

A password will be communicated to you at a later date to the Authorized Contact.)

8. To return to the main menu and to listen to options 1 through to 8.

9. To make a general complaint or inquiry, the contact will then be put on hold, pending the attention of my automated answering service. While this may, on occasion, involve a lengthy wait, uplifting music will play for the duration of the call.

Regrettably, but again following your example, I must also levy an establishment fee to cover the setting up of this new arrangement.

May I wish you a happy, if ever so slightly less prosperous, New Year.

Your Humble Client

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I do feel that my opinions don't count when there are issues talked about by certain people, or that my views get pounced on by other members..

Unless these people are replying "what do you know, you are too young to even have an opinion"... what is it which makes you feel they think your opinions count for nothing? Often it is our own inner thoughts which make us feel such things.

If your opinions get pounced upon (or replied to is another way of looking at it) doesn't that indicate they do think your opinion counts, but just have a different one?

Ok perhaps my phrasing was wrong again, i just feel that some people wont diversify from their own thoughts to possibly begin to comprehend where my POV comes from.. i can sit back and think 'yeah i see where they are coming from' and my original thoughts become swayed but others are very set in their ways.

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i agree, i think mine are set in my way and find it difficult to sway my thoughts though i do sometimes go away and think about a comment made, and kind of changing my point of view on meeting someone in your age group just takes time getting over the yuk factor

Once got told to get out of my box, downside is some fekkers sellotaped me in......HELP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think the concept of 'acting your age' is what is flawed...there is no way to define the actions of any age.

the reality is that you act in accordance with your experiences and temper that with either how you want to be or how you want to be perceived

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i think the concept of 'acting your age' is what is flawed...there is no way to define the actions of any age.

the reality is that you act in accordance with your experiences and temper that with either how you want to be or how you want to be perceived "

A very good point

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By *mf4BxJCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh

I think it's all relative. We as a couple have always been quite mature. Bought and renovated our first home at 21, had our son, moved, started a business and all that jazz but we're only 27.

Having our son so early probably matured us a bit quicker but we were always planning on doing things early anyway, maybe just not that early!

I don't think anyones age gives anyone the right to think they are more knowledgeable or experienced in any area than someone though. I hav friends that are 8 years young than me and have seen more of the world than I have. My own sisters are 11 and 12 years older than me yet we're on a level playing field now, all in the same stage of our life (young families, work etc) so the age difference is insignificant.

My sister has a partner who is older again and socialising as a group is difficult. He automatically discounts our opinions becuase we're 'young and daft' despite having done more 'grown up' things than he has. He seems to think the fact he's 15 years older than us means he's better and that's not right. His actual experiences are very limited, he lives in a house he inheritied of his gran, has worked in the same trade with the same firm since he was boy, hasn't travelled, has no kids, no marriage or anything really but that is all discounted - to him the fact he's older means he's right all the time!

End of the day, it's just a number.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

pmsl @ PleasureDomes post

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

Firstly, this is not an attack on the poster whose prose appears in my post, but a different way of looking at what they typed!


"I think it's all relative. We as a couple have always been quite mature. Bought and renovated our first home at 21, had our son, moved, started a business and all that jazz but we're only 27."

Now you see, I don't really think that what you describe above is necessesarily maturity! In fact starting a business requires confidence in what you are doing and foolhardyness to believe you won't fail!

Having a child too early when you meant to wait is a mistake and is not mature! That is a common mistake by many an immature school kid!.. You may well be mature, but not just because of what you have done!


"Having our son so early probably matured us a bit quicker but we were always planning on doing things early anyway, maybe just not that early!"

It would definately have made you grow up a bit quicker, but we know many young couples who have kids and they have no maturity at all!


"I don't think anyones age gives anyone the right to think they are more knowledgeable or experienced"
(Knowledge and experience is not the same as maturity!)
" in any area than someone though. I hav friends that are 8 years young than me and have seen more of the world than I have. My own sisters are 11 and 12 years older than me yet we're on a level playing field now, all in the same stage of our life (young families, work etc) so the age difference is insignificant."
Again, just because you do the same as older people are doing in your life, doesn't equal maturity!


"My sister has a partner who is older again and socialising as a group is difficult. He automatically discounts our opinions becuase we're 'young and daft' despite having done more 'grown up' things than he has. He seems to think the fact he's 15 years older than us means he's better and that's not right. His actual experiences are very limited, he lives in a house he inheritied of his gran, has worked in the same trade with the same firm since he was boy, hasn't travelled, has no kids, no marriage or anything really but that is all discounted - to him the fact he's older means he's right all the time!"

He may not be very mature in your eyes, but travelling and buying a house and changing your job do not make you mature! Just because he has inherited the house he lives in, having a trade he obviously enjoys and is good at and not being married, may be maturity in his choices.

As a poster typed above, she thought she was mature when young, but after reading letters that she wrote, she realised that she wasn't. It could be that you think you are mature but in reality you're not!

Just so you know, we started our first business when we were 20 and bought our first house! Didn't have kids till I was 30, but was well travelled by that time. Guess what? I am still immature! I am still just a big kid at heart! I still like to do stupid things.

Really don't understand why people see immaturity as a deficit in lifes bank balance! Always been a positive for me. Brought me some real big surprises in my life and I aint gonna change now!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To the OP i totally agree as you get older you learn everything is not black and white there are areas of grey ,and as can be seen by the letter i posdt below from a 98 yr old woman you learn to defend yourself in different ways ..lol

A 98 year old woman in the UK wrote this to her bank.

The bank manager thought it amusing enough to have it published in the Times.

Dear Sir,

I am writing to thank you for bouncing my cheque with which I endeavoured to pay my plumber last month. By my calculations, three nanoseconds must have elapsed between his presenting the cheque and the arrival in my account of the funds needed to honour it. I refer, of course, to the automatic monthly deposit of my Pension, an arrangement, which, I admit, has been in place for only thirty eight years. You are to be commended for seizing that brief window of opportunity, and also for debiting my account £30 by way of penalty for the inconvenience caused to your bank.

My thankfulness springs from the manner in which this incident has caused me to rethink my errant financial ways. I noticed that whereas I personally attend to your telephone calls and letters, but when I try to contact you, I am confronted by the impersonal, overcharging, pre-recorded, faceless entity which your bank has become. From now on, I, like you, choose only to deal with a flesh-and-blood person. My mortgage and loan payments will therefore and hereafter no longer be automatic, but will arrive at your bank by cheque, addressed personally and confidentially to an employee at your bank whom you must nominate. Be aware that it is an offence under the Postal Act for any other person to open such an envelope.

Please find attached an Application Contact Status which I require your chosen employee to complete. I am sorry it runs to eight pages, but in order that I know as much about him or her as your bank knows about me, there is no alternative. Please note that all copies of his or her medical history must be countersigned by a Solicitor, and the mandatory details of his/her financial situation (income, debts, assets and liabilities) must be accompanied by documented proof. In due course, I will issue your employee with PIN number which he/she must quote in dealings with me. I regret that it cannot be shorter than 28 digits but, again, I have modelled it on the number of button presses required of me to access my account balance on your phone bank service. As they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Let me level the playing field even further. When you call me, press buttons as follows:

1. To make an appointment to see me.

2. To query a missing payment.

3. To transfer the call to my living room in case I am there.

4. To transfer the call to my bedroom in case I am sleeping.

5. To transfer the call to my toilet in case I am attending to nature.

6. To transfer the call to my mobile phone if I am not at home.

7. To leave a message on my computer (a password to access my computer is required.

A password will be communicated to you at a later date to the Authorized Contact.)

8. To return to the main menu and to listen to options 1 through to 8.

9. To make a general complaint or inquiry, the contact will then be put on hold, pending the attention of my automated answering service. While this may, on occasion, involve a lengthy wait, uplifting music will play for the duration of the call.

Regrettably, but again following your example, I must also levy an establishment fee to cover the setting up of this new arrangement.

May I wish you a happy, if ever so slightly less prosperous, New Year.

Your Humble Client

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This is brilliant

You go girl

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Really don't understand why people see immaturity as a deficit in lifes bank balance! Always been a positive for me. Brought me some real big surprises in my life and I aint gonna change now! "

being mature is about not being afraid to be immature.

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By *mf4BxJCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh


"Firstly, this is not an attack on the poster whose prose appears in my post, but a different way of looking at what they typed!

I think it's all relative. We as a couple have always been quite mature. Bought and renovated our first home at 21, had our son, moved, started a business and all that jazz but we're only 27.

Now you see, I don't really think that what you describe above is necessesarily maturity! In fact starting a business requires confidence in what you are doing and foolhardyness to believe you won't fail!

Having a child too early when you meant to wait is a mistake and is not mature! That is a common mistake by many an immature school kid!.. You may well be mature, but not just because of what you have done!

Having our son so early probably matured us a bit quicker but we were always planning on doing things early anyway, maybe just not that early!

It would definately have made you grow up a bit quicker, but we know many young couples who have kids and they have no maturity at all!

I don't think anyones age gives anyone the right to think they are more knowledgeable or experienced(Knowledge and experience is not the same as maturity!) in any area than someone though. I hav friends that are 8 years young than me and have seen more of the world than I have. My own sisters are 11 and 12 years older than me yet we're on a level playing field now, all in the same stage of our life (young families, work etc) so the age difference is insignificant.Again, just because you do the same as older people are doing in your life, doesn't equal maturity!

My sister has a partner who is older again and socialising as a group is difficult. He automatically discounts our opinions becuase we're 'young and daft' despite having done more 'grown up' things than he has. He seems to think the fact he's 15 years older than us means he's better and that's not right. His actual experiences are very limited, he lives in a house he inheritied of his gran, has worked in the same trade with the same firm since he was boy, hasn't travelled, has no kids, no marriage or anything really but that is all discounted - to him the fact he's older means he's right all the time!

He may not be very mature in your eyes, but travelling and buying a house and changing your job do not make you mature! Just because he has inherited the house he lives in, having a trade he obviously enjoys and is good at and not being married, may be maturity in his choices.

As a poster typed above, she thought she was mature when young, but after reading letters that she wrote, she realised that she wasn't. It could be that you think you are mature but in reality you're not!

Just so you know, we started our first business when we were 20 and bought our first house! Didn't have kids till I was 30, but was well travelled by that time. Guess what? I am still immature! I am still just a big kid at heart! I still like to do stupid things.

Really don't understand why people see immaturity as a deficit in lifes bank balance! Always been a positive for me. Brought me some real big surprises in my life and I aint gonna change now! "

Not an attack... but you go on to rip everything I've said to shreds!

Backs up what I first said though, it's all relative.

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