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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

Two fans jailed for 2 and 3 months.

What a disgrace and miss justice for those just trying to defend themselves against the thugs..

Nobody started trouble nor was it instigated until approached by French Russian and others..

Oh and noted that France didn't get a ban warning did they hmmmmm weird that.

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

Were you there? Do you know they weren't the instigators?

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Were you there? Do you know they weren't the instigators? "

Yes I was and yes I came home.... is this ok that I left the trouble ???

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

Yes, you were clearly present in the court and saw all the evidence....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Presumably as France is a modern civilised country they've had a fair trial and been found guilty of a crime. Without being present and seeing the prosecution and defence cases we have to aassume they were heard and found guilty correctly.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Yes, you were clearly present in the court and saw all the evidence...."

I never said I was... I said I was where the trouble was.. and yes it was all good faith drinking until the French and Russians joined forces..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the real England fans in the stadium you know the ones the true football suporters have behaved brilliantly considering the violence against them. As for the thugs who just go there to cause trouble well I've no opinion on them. Op sorry you had to come home but you prob have made the rite desision. Xxx

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"I think the real England fans in the stadium you know the ones the true football suporters have behaved brilliantly considering the violence against them. As for the thugs who just go there to cause trouble well I've no opinion on them. Op sorry you had to come home but you prob have made the rite desision. Xxx "

I can assure you coming home was right.. England fans in the bars were loud and singing as we do.. no more than this.. odd d*unk but nothing to suspect trouble over.. and then boom attacked by the organised gangs..

Most were so well behaved and others were just trying to protect themselves.. no more no less..

So just a message to those that want to come here and comment .. unless you were there then please don't judge my OP.. you seen the news that's all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yet more do gooders defending foreigners, no wonder this country,s in such a mess, and how do you now they had fair trial ??

typical of woman to say such idiotic statement but so called bloke agreeing ,lmfao

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stuff for them!!!!everywhere ye go yer trouble!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm pleased to see anyone who willingly engages in mindless violence receive a custodial sentence ..... but I'm less pleased when people get away with it...

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"yet more do gooders defending foreigners, no wonder this country,s in such a mess, and how do you now they had fair trial ??

typical of woman to say such idiotic statement but so called bloke agreeing ,lmfao "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so they where attacked by the french and the russians so had to defend their self by assaulting the police with bottles ? was it laurel and hardy ?

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

The two fans hailed were jailed for throwing bottles at the French police. That's hardly the act of innocent bystanders caught up in the violence.

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

*jailed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most were so well behaved and others were just trying to protect themselves.. no more no less..

So just a message to those that want to come here and comment .. unless you were there then please don't judge my OP.. you seen the news that's all."

Controversial I know but I did wonder if putin had sent them over with instructions xxx

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

Again unless you were there then please don't make up defensive stories..

It was atrocious to have that type of attack and then the police actually joined in..

So... at the time of trying to defend our good nation and bodies the police attacked too and there was no option..

Please feel free to go there at a time like that and say.. oh please don't hit me please don't attack us with knives..

You too will throw a bottle.

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"The two fans hailed were jailed for throwing bottles at the French police. That's hardly the act of innocent bystanders caught up in the violence."

Not the misjustice you led us to believe op. Or did the bottles slip?

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"The two fans hailed were jailed for throwing bottles at the French police. That's hardly the act of innocent bystanders caught up in the violence.

Not the misjustice you led us to believe op. Or did the bottles slip?"

again... please feel free to be in that situation and talk yourself out of it... let us know how you get on with that tactic and feel free to feedback to me.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

So... at the time of trying to defend our good nation and bodies the police attacked too and there was no option..

The defense of our nation relies on this?

Jeeez we're in trouble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Again unless you were there then please don't make up defensive stories..

It was atrocious to have that type of attack and then the police actually joined in..

So... at the time of trying to defend our good nation and bodies the police attacked too and there was no option..

Please feel free to go there at a time like that and say.. oh please don't hit me please don't attack us with knives..

You too will throw a bottle."

No I wouldn't throw bottles at riot police in another country. I wouldn't do it here either.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Again unless you were there then please don't make up defensive stories..

It was atrocious to have that type of attack and then the police actually joined in..

So... at the time of trying to defend our good nation and bodies the police attacked too and there was no option..

Please feel free to go there at a time like that and say.. oh please don't hit me please don't attack us with knives..

You too will throw a bottle.

No I wouldn't throw bottles at riot police in another country. I wouldn't do it here either."

Again feel free to go and try talking your way out of being stabbed and hurt ... and attacked by police too... feedback with be appreciated and how you managed to talk to your attackers and become friends with them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If i got attacked by rival fans i would fight back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sooner we get out of Europe and build a wall around the country to stop them foreigners in to take our jobs the better, protect our own for queen and country keep them hooligans out and keep our hooligans in..oh wait no that wouldn't be so good would it..

by the way that is irony!

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"The two fans hailed were jailed for throwing bottles at the French police. That's hardly the act of innocent bystanders caught up in the violence.

Not the misjustice you led us to believe op. Or did the bottles slip?

again... please feel free to be in that situation and talk yourself out of it... let us know how you get on with that tactic and feel free to feedback to me."

I've been in situations I've had to talk myself out of or love away from. Have never ended up jailed, stabbed nor have thrown bottles.

Granted there are some very violent and hostile people coking out of Russia. But I'm not going to feel sympathy for 2 found guilty of the same thing.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"If i got attacked by rival fans i would fight back"

Finally... top English guy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If i got attacked by rival fans i would fight back

Finally... top English guy"

exactly so how can you blame the russians and french

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"If i got attacked by rival fans i would fight back

Finally... top English guy"

Are you linking patriotism to fighting?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If i got attacked by rival fans i would fight back

Finally... top English guy"
lol top english guy hahahahaha u came home lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If i got attacked by rival fans i would fight back

Finally... top English guylol top english guy hahahahaha u came home lol"
was just thinking this myself

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"If i got attacked by rival fans i would fight back

Finally... top English guy

Are you linking patriotism to fighting?

No.... nothing to do with that.

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By *nkforthekinkMan
over a year ago

london/fareham/brighton

Iv heard all English rival team fans are now traveling to euros just to clash with the Russians! No football intended

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

If this was Take me out (not with a thrown bottle), then I think you'd be seeing all of the lights going out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If i got attacked by rival fans i would fight back

Finally... top English guy"

And im not a hooligan or a fighter,iv seen liverpool fans coming out of old trafford and getting bottles of piss and brick thrown at them it wasnt nice,and there was children there...im a utd fan by the way ohh and burnley

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

Appears many here do NOT get the situation.. TV supporters..

ZZZZZZZZZZZ

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

your honour it wasnt my fault

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By *nkforthekinkMan
over a year ago

london/fareham/brighton

And I the words of bullet tooth tony! Sneaky fuckin Russians

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Appears many here do NOT get the situation.. TV supporters..

ZZZZZZZZZZZ"

I'm a rugby fan, we don't have this problem.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"If i got attacked by rival fans i would fight back

Finally... top English guy

I think most here think its about not fighting back and they think you can easily walk away and talk yourself out of it..

You seem to know its not that easy.

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

Riot police don't have time to establish who is innocent or not when they're right in the middle of a flashpoint. Restoring order is the primary concern and agitated England fans who might well have been defending themselves still need to be brought back under control.

What you didn't say, OP, is that three French nationals and one Austrian are also in court this week and two Russians have been expelled from France.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Appears many here do NOT get the situation.. TV supporters..

ZZZZZZZZZZZ

I'm a rugby fan, we don't have this problem. "

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"If i got attacked by rival fans i would fight back

Finally... top English guy

Utd fans were some of the worst I saw during my years as a safety steward.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Appears many here do NOT get the situation.. TV supporters..

ZZZZZZZZZZZ

I'm a rugby fan, we don't have this problem. "
here here....either do we irish and we are as d*unk and as loud as they come

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Presumably as France is a modern civilised country they've had a fair trial and been found guilty of a crime. Without being present and seeing the prosecution and defence cases we have to aassume they were heard and found guilty correctly. "

this..

there's a difference between defending oneself from organised attacks and throwing bottles at the police in any scenario will only end like this..

yes one could question the tactics of the police in how they handled it but many other's either got out of harms way or fought those who were attacking them..

the French were going to come down hard upon those they deemed to be culpable given the levels of violence..

interesting to hear the French interior minister admit what many out there have said that there are a large number of organised Russian hooligans who are only there to fight, lets hope for everyone's safety that they manage to stop any more attacks..

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Riot police don't have time to establish who is innocent or not when they're right in the middle of a flashpoint. Restoring order is the primary concern and agitated England fans who might well have been defending themselves still need to be brought back under control.

What you didn't say, OP, is that three French nationals and one Austrian are also in court this week and two Russians have been expelled from France."

No I didn't fail to say... but its not up to me as a Brit to defend other nationalities.. why would I .. that's just wrong really.. this is about the English situation not other nations.. that's their choice to make their own defence.. So no didn't fail in any sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems odd the French police choose to disperse the crowd in the UK snatch squads are used to take out the ring leaders while containing and preventing potential problems I fail.to see how using tear gas and water cannon will.help.to prevent this problem continuing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish all the violence would just stop before someone ends up dead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If i got attacked by rival fans i would fight back

Finally... top English guy"

Glad your safe

Most on here have no idea ! I wasn't Thier but go to football and know the difference between Lads and lads just on the lash !

From what I could see and correct me if I'm wrong Thier looked to be few if any Top Boys from firms out thier from England .

If you go back hope you stay safe

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

"Appears many here do NOT get the situation.. TV supporters..

ZZZZZZZZZZZ

I'm a rugby fan, we don't have this problem. "

They just do it on the pitch instead.

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

I wish all the violence would just stop before someone ends up dead.

Already has been on UK person I believe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"yet more do gooders defending foreigners, no wonder this country,s in such a mess, and how do you now they had fair trial ??

typical of woman to say such idiotic statement but so called bloke agreeing ,lmfao "

I'm digressing from the point here but how surprising a person from Stoke has an issue with 'foreigners'

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"Appears many here do NOT get the situation.. TV supporters..

ZZZZZZZZZZZ"

I think you mean many here don't support your view

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If i got attacked by rival fans i would fight back"

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"If i got attacked by rival fans i would fight back

Finally... top English guy

Glad your safe

Most on here have no idea ! I wasn't Thier but go to football and know the difference between Lads and lads just on the lash !

From what I could see and correct me if I'm wrong Thier looked to be few if any Top Boys from firms out thier from England .

If you go back hope you stay safe

I'd never have put you down as a football fan.....

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

I wish all the violence would just stop before someone ends up dead.

Exactly ... I was there and I am just stating my point of vies as being caught up in it all..

So again all those that were not there please refrain from the disillusioned comments that can actually be hurtful towards those hurs by attacks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish all the violence would just stop before someone ends up dead.

Already has been on UK person I believe."

Really?!

Oh no.

That's awful.

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By *44bertCouple
over a year ago

Inverness

"yet more do gooders defending foreigners, no wonder this country,s in such a mess, and how do you now they had fair trial ??

typical of woman to say such idiotic statement but so called bloke agreeing ,lmfao "

Wow. Racism and misogyny it just two sentences.

You must be quite the catch.

It should be an apostrophe not a comma in 'country's'.

Oh and it's 'know', not 'now'.

Just the one questionmark.

Capital 'T' on typical.

And it should be 'Typical of women' or 'Typical of a woman'.

Other than that, your English is impeccable.

What is it they say? If you can't speak the language...

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By *ildt123Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield

It's very difficult to comment without having been in that situation. But there are many reports from reliable sources that say many well behaved fans were attacked by armed organised gangs. Both local and Russian groups. If your cornered by a mob with iron bars what do you do? The French riot police tactic was to either do nothing or use tear gas and batons indiscriminately. Radio journalist gave an account of England fans singing and having a laugh when a large group of Russians gathered and started putting on balaclavas they pointed it out to police who did nothing and waited for them to attack then charged at both lots. Another journalist gave an account of Irish and polish fans singing together, swapping shirts wtc when a gang of locals cane to cause trouble, when an old polish guy pointed it out they threatened to gas him! Eventually they kettles the French fans for two hours. Very little of this in papers or on news. Anyone would think our media was unreliable, biased and working to an agenda.....

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

I wish all the violence would just stop before someone ends up dead.

Already has been on UK person I believe.

Really?!

Oh no.

That's awful."

Had a further read and he fell from a prom intoxicated

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By *o-jCouple
over a year ago

Outskirts of Notts

And I thought it was just a game ....

Jo x

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"If i got attacked by rival fans i would fight back

Finally... top English guy

Glad your safe

Most on here have no idea ! I wasn't Thier but go to football and know the difference between Lads and lads just on the lash !

From what I could see and correct me if I'm wrong Thier looked to be few if any Top Boys from firms out thier from England .

If you go back hope you stay safe

maybe because the 'top boys from firms' are all under banning orders..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish all the violence would just stop before someone ends up dead.

Exactly ... I was there and I am just stating my point of vies as being caught up in it all..

So again all those that were not there please refrain from the disillusioned comments that can actually be hurtful towards those hurs by attacks."

I can't comment on the violence but there's enough killing and maiming in the world.

It's disturbing to my mind the obvious racial hatred from the Russians.I do hope investigations are being just.

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By *eddy004Man
over a year ago

Toy Town

OP tell the daily mail I'm sure they will love your story and if you elaborate more and Chuck facts that you've dreamt up to make it sound more extreme then you'll be a hero to them.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"It's very difficult to comment without having been in that situation. But there are many reports from reliable sources that say many well behaved fans were attacked by armed organised gangs. Both local and Russian groups. If your cornered by a mob with iron bars what do you do? The French riot police tactic was to either do nothing or use tear gas and batons indiscriminately. Radio journalist gave an account of England fans singing and having a laugh when a large group of Russians gathered and started putting on balaclavas they pointed it out to police who did nothing and waited for them to attack then charged at both lots. Another journalist gave an account of Irish and polish fans singing together, swapping shirts wtc when a gang of locals cane to cause trouble, when an old polish guy pointed it out they threatened to gas him! Eventually they kettles the French fans for two hours. Very little of this in papers or on news. Anyone would think our media was unreliable, biased and working to an agenda....."

Exactly... provoked

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"OP tell the daily mail I'm sure they will love your story and if you elaborate more and Chuck facts that you've dreamt up to make it sound more extreme then you'll be a hero to them."

Go out there and see... report back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish all the violence would just stop before someone ends up dead.

Already has been on UK person I believe."

In a coma last I read this lunchtime

xxx

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

I wish all the violence would just stop before someone ends up dead.

Already has been on UK person I believe.

Really?!

Oh no.

That's awful.

Had a further read and he fell from a prom intoxicated "

He was an Irish national. 25 years old. Tragic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Am I the only one who thinks the French Riot Police are loving every minute of this !

They let the Russian Firms in ( that is what they are ) Atack English on the piss , let them away and finish the job !

The op here put his point over well , it's just a pity he had to come home !

Imagine the media if the completion was here and French Fans had to come home early for safety !

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

Appears here that many are still disillusioned by exactly what happened..

I have been going to away games for 25 years now and it would take an awful lot to cut my loses and go home.. YEs im a true supporter but all in all I value my life and their is no place for what us as English were subjected to.

I feel for those that comment here and say this and that and think this and that.. Made up assumptions and form those that don't even understand the game or structures behind it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly... provoked "
lol poor lads provoked at every tourmanent

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"Appears here that many are still disillusioned by exactly what happened..

I feel for those that comment here and say this and that and think this and that.. Made up assumptions and form those that don't even understand the game or structures behind it. "

The rioting and fighting has nothing to do with the 'game or structure'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly... provoked lol poor lads provoked at every tourmanent"

Thing is , for the last few years it has been true !

The English Are Targeted !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly... provoked lol poor lads provoked at every tourmanent"
our reputation precedes us unfortunately. And come Thursday regardless of the result against Wales, England will be going home I fear.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Appears here that many are still disillusioned by exactly what happened..

I feel for those that comment here and say this and that and think this and that.. Made up assumptions and form those that don't even understand the game or structures behind it.

The rioting and fighting has nothing to do with the 'game or structure'"

Oh dear.... you still don't get it...

Please answer this straight and with truth..

You are having a drink.. singing looking forward to the game.. you turn round to see hooded guys running at you with metal bars..

what would you do ?????

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

Exactly... provoked lol poor lads provoked at every tourmanent

Thing is , for the last few years it has been true !

The English Are Targeted !"

Have you stopped to ask yourself why?

Nothing but good reports about the Welsh fans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The media is pro-Russian now?

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"Appears here that many are still disillusioned by exactly what happened..

I feel for those that comment here and say this and that and think this and that.. Made up assumptions and form those that don't even understand the game or structures behind it.

The rioting and fighting has nothing to do with the 'game or structure'

Oh dear.... you still don't get it...

Please answer this straight and with truth..

You are having a drink.. singing looking forward to the game.. you turn round to see hooded guys running at you with metal bars..

what would you do ?????"

What's that got to do with understanding the game or structure as you put it.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Appears here that many are still disillusioned by exactly what happened..

I feel for those that comment here and say this and that and think this and that.. Made up assumptions and form those that don't even understand the game or structures behind it.

The rioting and fighting has nothing to do with the 'game or structure'

Oh dear.... you still don't get it...

Please answer this straight and with truth..

You are having a drink.. singing looking forward to the game.. you turn round to see hooded guys running at you with metal bars..

what would you do ?????

What's that got to do with understanding the game or structure as you put it. "

So no answer... so until you have that happen please don't say its wrong to defend ourselves..

Makes me wonder

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"Appears here that many are still disillusioned by exactly what happened..

I feel for those that comment here and say this and that and think this and that.. Made up assumptions and form those that don't even understand the game or structures behind it.

The rioting and fighting has nothing to do with the 'game or structure'

Oh dear.... you still don't get it...

Please answer this straight and with truth..

You are having a drink.. singing looking forward to the game.. you turn round to see hooded guys running at you with metal bars..

what would you do ?????"

Not throw bottles at the rozzers, for a start.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Am I the only one who thinks the French Riot Police are loving every minute of this !

They let the Russian Firms in ( that is what they are ) Atack English on the piss , let them away and finish the job !

The op here put his point over well , it's just a pity he had to come home !

Imagine the media if the completion was here and French Fans had to come home early for safety !"

Some people just don't get how it feels to be in that situation.

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"Appears here that many are still disillusioned by exactly what happened..

I feel for those that comment here and say this and that and think this and that.. Made up assumptions and form those that don't even understand the game or structures behind it.

The rioting and fighting has nothing to do with the 'game or structure'

Oh dear.... you still don't get it...

Please answer this straight and with truth..

You are having a drink.. singing looking forward to the game.. you turn round to see hooded guys running at you with metal bars..

what would you do ?????

What's that got to do with understanding the game or structure as you put it.

So no answer... so until you have that happen please don't say its wrong to defend ourselves..

Makes me wonder "

I'd go the other direction. I certainly wouldn't stay and engage.

Now what has that to do with the game and structure.

Makes you wonder what?

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Appears here that many are still disillusioned by exactly what happened..

I feel for those that comment here and say this and that and think this and that.. Made up assumptions and form those that don't even understand the game or structures behind it.

The rioting and fighting has nothing to do with the 'game or structure'

Oh dear.... you still don't get it...

Please answer this straight and with truth..

You are having a drink.. singing looking forward to the game.. you turn round to see hooded guys running at you with metal bars..

what would you do ?????

Not throw bottles at the rozzers, for a start.

good luck with putting your head back together then like a jigsaw

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

Kangaroo court.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Appears here that many are still disillusioned by exactly what happened..

I feel for those that comment here and say this and that and think this and that.. Made up assumptions and form those that don't even understand the game or structures behind it.

The rioting and fighting has nothing to do with the 'game or structure'

Oh dear.... you still don't get it...

Please answer this straight and with truth..

You are having a drink.. singing looking forward to the game.. you turn round to see hooded guys running at you with metal bars..

what would you do ?????

What's that got to do with understanding the game or structure as you put it.

So no answer... so until you have that happen please don't say its wrong to defend ourselves..

Makes me wonder

I'd go the other direction. I certainly wouldn't stay and engage.

Now what has that to do with the game and structure.

Makes you wonder what?"

You seriously think its that easy to walk off.. do you actually know the force of the attack....

Good luck with just walking away even if you didn't want to get involved...

Again feel free to go and report back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Driveshaft your just a hooligan and shouldn't be allowed anywhere

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Appears here that many are still disillusioned by exactly what happened..

I feel for those that comment here and say this and that and think this and that.. Made up assumptions and form those that don't even understand the game or structures behind it. "

funny thing is some of us were going to games in this country in the 70's when violence was all part of the day out for some, it had nothing to do with the game or understanding the structures of it then and it still doesn't..

anyone who wasn't there will only have the view from friends out there, the media and the respected and credible sources who are saying that it was organised attacks by the Russians, pretty sure everyone is in agreement that such actions are wrong and people are right to defend themselves against that and attacks by others..

but if you throw bottles at the police and get caught your going to be done for it..

you don't have to know the offside rule or be a 'true fan' to work that one out..

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"Appears here that many are still disillusioned by exactly what happened..

I feel for those that comment here and say this and that and think this and that.. Made up assumptions and form those that don't even understand the game or structures behind it.

The rioting and fighting has nothing to do with the 'game or structure'

Oh dear.... you still don't get it...

Please answer this straight and with truth..

You are having a drink.. singing looking forward to the game.. you turn round to see hooded guys running at you with metal bars..

what would you do ?????

What's that got to do with understanding the game or structure as you put it.

So no answer... so until you have that happen please don't say its wrong to defend ourselves..

Makes me wonder

I'd go the other direction. I certainly wouldn't stay and engage.

Now what has that to do with the game and structure.

Makes you wonder what?

You seriously think its that easy to walk off.. do you actually know the force of the attack....

Good luck with just walking away even if you didn't want to get involved...

Again feel free to go and report back"

You're talking tosh fella.

And avoiding questions.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Driveshaft your just a hooligan and shouldn't be allowed anywhere "

Please feel free to go and have fun and see of you like being set upon..

A very very un realistic comment from yourself and is not welcomes here..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Appears here that many are still disillusioned by exactly what happened..

I feel for those that comment here and say this and that and think this and that.. Made up assumptions and form those that don't even understand the game or structures behind it.

The rioting and fighting has nothing to do with the 'game or structure'

Oh dear.... you still don't get it...

Please answer this straight and with truth..

You are having a drink.. singing looking forward to the game.. you turn round to see hooded guys running at you with metal bars..

what would you do ?????"

If you couldn't run you would grab what you could and lo bit at them !

I'm not trying to be smart or clever but I have been in the situation !

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Appears here that many are still disillusioned by exactly what happened..

I feel for those that comment here and say this and that and think this and that.. Made up assumptions and form those that don't even understand the game or structures behind it.

The rioting and fighting has nothing to do with the 'game or structure'

Oh dear.... you still don't get it...

Please answer this straight and with truth..

You are having a drink.. singing looking forward to the game.. you turn round to see hooded guys running at you with metal bars..

what would you do ?????

What's that got to do with understanding the game or structure as you put it.

So no answer... so until you have that happen please don't say its wrong to defend ourselves..

Makes me wonder

I'd go the other direction. I certainly wouldn't stay and engage.

Now what has that to do with the game and structure.

Makes you wonder what?

You seriously think its that easy to walk off.. do you actually know the force of the attack....

Good luck with just walking away even if you didn't want to get involved...

Again feel free to go and report back

You're talking tosh fella.

And avoiding questions."

Stick to netball... Done with your sarcastic comments against the injured and those in a critical state..

Message sent without prejudice.

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"Driveshaft your just a hooligan and shouldn't be allowed anywhere

Please feel free to go and have fun and see of you like being set upon..

A very very un realistic comment from yourself and is not welcomes here..

Why not welcome. As you don't like to be tarred wit the fellas who threw bottles and behaved like hooligans.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Appears here that many are still disillusioned by exactly what happened..

I feel for those that comment here and say this and that and think this and that.. Made up assumptions and form those that don't even understand the game or structures behind it.

The rioting and fighting has nothing to do with the 'game or structure'

Oh dear.... you still don't get it...

Please answer this straight and with truth..

You are having a drink.. singing looking forward to the game.. you turn round to see hooded guys running at you with metal bars..

what would you do ?????

If you couldn't run you would grab what you could and lo bit at them !

I'm not trying to be smart or clever but I have been in the situation !"

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By *arry2Man
over a year ago

Belfast

Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Marseille has always been a violent port and city, its law enforcement and justice has been just as robust. If you go to the city that is the home of the French Foreign Legion, kick off and get caught, no matter the provocation, you can expect to be slapped down hard.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Driveshaft your just a hooligan and shouldn't be allowed anywhere

Please feel free to go and have fun and see of you like being set upon..

A very very un realistic comment from yourself and is not welcomes here..

Why not welcome. As you don't like to be tarred wit the fellas who threw bottles and behaved like hooligans. "

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"Appears here that many are still disillusioned by exactly what happened..

I feel for those that comment here and say this and that and think this and that.. Made up assumptions and form those that don't even understand the game or structures behind it.

The rioting and fighting has nothing to do with the 'game or structure'

Oh dear.... you still don't get it...

Please answer this straight and with truth..

You are having a drink.. singing looking forward to the game.. you turn round to see hooded guys running at you with metal bars..

what would you do ?????

What's that got to do with understanding the game or structure as you put it.

So no answer... so until you have that happen please don't say its wrong to defend ourselves..

Makes me wonder

I'd go the other direction. I certainly wouldn't stay and engage.

Now what has that to do with the game and structure.

Makes you wonder what?

You seriously think its that easy to walk off.. do you actually know the force of the attack....

Good luck with just walking away even if you didn't want to get involved...

Again feel free to go and report back

You're talking tosh fella.

And avoiding questions.

Stick to netball... Done with your sarcastic comments against the injured and those in a critical state..

Message sent without prejudice. "

Lmao! You are adorable. Can't answer questions about hooliganism and try to equate it with the game.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"Two fans jailed for 2 and 3 months.

What a disgrace and miss justice for those just trying to defend themselves against the thugs..

Nobody started trouble nor was it instigated until approached by French Russian and others..

Oh and noted that France didn't get a ban warning did they hmmmmm weird that."

Fuck em. Let them rot.

There is no scenario where throwing bottles at the police is the action of an innocent.

And don't waste your breath telling me I don't know what I'm on about. I'd put pretty good money on it I've been in the middle of more gang violence than you've had hot dinners (to coin a phrase) sunshine.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

All in all...

Fed up with the people that THINK they know how it was and how they would just walk away.. like that was an option..

Feel free to say what you like but feel for those injured and attacked..

and NO not everyone is a football hooligan..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you would think it only kicked off when the russians appeared no mention of the english thugs rioting for two days before along come the russians and teach them a lesson and suddenly its awe poor us

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Two fans jailed for 2 and 3 months.

What a disgrace and miss justice for those just trying to defend themselves against the thugs..

Nobody started trouble nor was it instigated until approached by French Russian and others..

Oh and noted that France didn't get a ban warning did they hmmmmm weird that.

Fuck em. Let them rot.

There is no scenario where throwing bottles at the police is the action of an innocent.

Feel free to state every gang violence here you been involved in...

we all hate it and will support you as you come across as having anger and feel you need support in your final days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans"

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

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By *eddy004Man
over a year ago

Toy Town

"OP tell the daily mail I'm sure they will love your story and if you elaborate more and Chuck facts that you've dreamt up to make it sound more extreme then you'll be a hero to them.

Go out there and see... report back"

I wouldn't want to. In my opinion football attracts this sort of mindless thug mentality. If it's not the supporters (i appreciate it's the minority) it's the players themselves. Get the players to be role models and not louts who fight, rape, do drugs, speed and then get hit with a feather of the law and then they gloat about it unashamedly. These hooligans are no different just on less coin than the footballers themselves that's all. We all saw this coming way before the contest started hence them stopping the alcohol.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care ! "

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Two fans jailed for 2 and 3 months.

What a disgrace and miss justice for those just trying to defend themselves against the thugs..

Nobody started trouble nor was it instigated until approached by French Russian and others..

Oh and noted that France didn't get a ban warning did they hmmmmm weird that.

Fuck em. Let them rot.

There is no scenario where throwing bottles at the police is the action of an innocent.

Feel free to state every gang violence here you been involved in...

we all hate it and will support you as you come across as having anger and feel you need support in your final days."

God knows what's going to happen in 2 years time if England qualify world cup is in Russia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Driveshaft your just a hooligan and shouldn't be allowed anywhere "

Why is he a hooligan he didn't get involved n came home Instead. He's talking about what others have done and what he's seen!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

My comment wasn't a critiscm of you ?

I was trying to get over the Fact that most English fans now go for the atmosphere and the match , it wasn't always the case in the past but is now !

Sorry you had to come back , I'd have been gutted

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By *azkinsWoman
over a year ago

leeds

Correct me if im wrong (im sure I will be)but aren't the French on a high state of terrorist alert.? you think so.If that is the case how did the russains manage to get the flares they used into the grounds.?

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

My comment wasn't a critiscm of you ?

I was trying to get over the Fact that most English fans now go for the atmosphere and the match , it wasn't always the case in the past but is now !

Sorry you had to come back , I'd have been gutted

I know fella... it wasn't you that said it.. thanks for your kind thread comments.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Correct me if im wrong (im sure I will be)but aren't the French on a high state of terrorist alert.? you think so.If that is the case how did the russains manage to get the flares they used into the grounds.?"

Exelent point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tried, convicted and sentenced over a weekend. Doesn't sound like enough to time to build a fair case for or against anyone.

Defending yourself against a Russian mob running 50 deep or a Marsaille mob running 70 deep sounds more like survival than mindless violence on the part of the England fans.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

the guy who is the chair of the football supporters federation ran away as did others..

totally accept that its wrong and the police should have acted against the Russians if they were able to do so to prevent the need for it..

and not all would have been able to run and had to defend themselves which is what most of us would do if we had to..

but you seem to be trying to defend or justify the guys who have been jailed for throwing bottles at the police because the Russians and others attacked the English fans..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On the reports I saw after the match the majority of English fans were trying to get away from the Russians but because they were in the stadium they couldn't. I don't know but I assume that it would be simalur outside the stadium. It isn't easy to just walk away. But I don't condone the guys who joined in with the violence. Xxx

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Tried, convicted and sentenced over a weekend. Doesn't sound like enough to time to build a fair case for or against anyone.

Defending yourself against a Russian mob running 50 deep or a Marsaille mob running 70 deep sounds more like survival than mindless violence on the part of the England fans.

Very much survival but some cant see that ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it not the case that given the weight Russia is throwing around atm that it is easier to jail English men then provok putin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly what I would like to know too, bloody unbelievable in this day & age!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

My comment wasn't a critiscm of you ?

I was trying to get over the Fact that most English fans now go for the atmosphere and the match , it wasn't always the case in the past but is now !

Sorry you had to come back , I'd have been gutted

I know fella... it wasn't you that said it.. thanks for your kind thread comments."

No probs

it can get confusing on here

I'm more for my club , but I went to Wales England a few years back and the Welsh were laying into anything English !

Thier were very few English Lads Thier . Cardiff soul crew had about 400 out and teamed up with Whexham Front Line ! To be fair I bought a ticket off a front line lad lol and they kept an eye on me at the match

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Exelent point

worrying that they were able to and also the apparent level of organisation from the Russians would one hopes have the French authorities a bit more on their toes as the tournament progresses..

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

the guy who is the chair of the football supporters federation ran away as did others..

totally accept that its wrong and the police should have acted against the Russians if they were able to do so to prevent the need for it..

and not all would have been able to run and had to defend themselves which is what most of us would do if we had to..

but you seem to be trying to defend or justify the guys who have been jailed for throwing bottles at the police because the Russians and others attacked the English fans..?

Please see that some just couldn't walk away... in a predicament where they had no choice but to defend.. moving away wasn't an option given to some.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

the guy who is the chair of the football supporters federation ran away as did others..

totally accept that its wrong and the police should have acted against the Russians if they were able to do so to prevent the need for it..

and not all would have been able to run and had to defend themselves which is what most of us would do if we had to..

but you seem to be trying to defend or justify the guys who have been jailed for throwing bottles at the police because the Russians and others attacked the English fans..?

Please see that some just couldn't walk away... in a predicament where they had no choice but to defend.. moving away wasn't an option given to some."

yes and repeatedly iv'e accepted and acknowledged that fact but its the lads who have been jailed for throwing bottles that this is about and you don't seem willing to accept that if you do that and get caught your in bother..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah. Every England fan is a law abiding citizen. It's all the rest of Europe that are hooligans. Yeah right

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

the guy who is the chair of the football supporters federation ran away as did others..

totally accept that its wrong and the police should have acted against the Russians if they were able to do so to prevent the need for it..

and not all would have been able to run and had to defend themselves which is what most of us would do if we had to..

but you seem to be trying to defend or justify the guys who have been jailed for throwing bottles at the police because the Russians and others attacked the English fans..?

Please see that some just couldn't walk away... in a predicament where they had no choice but to defend.. moving away wasn't an option given to some.

im not saying that's its acceptable im saying that this was done on the defensive... without initial intent..

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does England not have organized gangs ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

the guy who is the chair of the football supporters federation ran away as did others..

totally accept that its wrong and the police should have acted against the Russians if they were able to do so to prevent the need for it..

and not all would have been able to run and had to defend themselves which is what most of us would do if we had to..

but you seem to be trying to defend or justify the guys who have been jailed for throwing bottles at the police because the Russians and others attacked the English fans..?

Please see that some just couldn't walk away... in a predicament where they had no choice but to defend.. moving away wasn't an option given to some.

Have you ever been charged at by a cop in riot gear ?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

the guy who is the chair of the football supporters federation ran away as did others..

totally accept that its wrong and the police should have acted against the Russians if they were able to do so to prevent the need for it..

and not all would have been able to run and had to defend themselves which is what most of us would do if we had to..

but you seem to be trying to defend or justify the guys who have been jailed for throwing bottles at the police because the Russians and others attacked the English fans..?

Please see that some just couldn't walk away... in a predicament where they had no choice but to defend.. moving away wasn't an option given to some.

im not saying that's its acceptable im saying that this was done on the defensive... without initial intent.."

so to defend themselves from the Russians the English threw bottles at the French police?

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Does England not have organized gangs ?"

Yes they do but you seem to be suggested that's the reason..

How did you find your time there... was it pleasant for you... or was you not there.. ?

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"Does England not have organized gangs ?"

They're all angels unwittingly caught up in it all don't you know!

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

the guy who is the chair of the football supporters federation ran away as did others..

totally accept that its wrong and the police should have acted against the Russians if they were able to do so to prevent the need for it..

and not all would have been able to run and had to defend themselves which is what most of us would do if we had to..

but you seem to be trying to defend or justify the guys who have been jailed for throwing bottles at the police because the Russians and others attacked the English fans..?

Please see that some just couldn't walk away... in a predicament where they had no choice but to defend.. moving away wasn't an option given to some.

im not saying that's its acceptable im saying that this was done on the defensive... without initial intent..

so to defend themselves from the Russians the English threw bottles at the French police?

Please read the thread if you join late...

Was stated much earlier that the police also attacked but this was due to the English defending themselves against Russian batons and knives ... is this ok ?

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over a year ago

"Does England not have organized gangs ?

Yes they do but you seem to be suggested that's the reason..

How did you find your time there... was it pleasant for you... or was you not there.. ?"
I could say I was if you want me too. You have

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By *sprey6Man
over a year ago

Here!

I have walked away plenty of times. Defending yourself is not throwing a bottle.

Everything was captured on camera and those who did just defend and move away seem to not be in jail.

Before you say it. Been there. Done it. Been to much worse and dangerous. Done it again.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Does England not have organized gangs ?

Yes they do but you seem to be suggested that's the reason..

How did you find your time there... was it pleasant for you... or was you not there.. ? I could say I was if you want me too. You have

Oh dear.. Really.... I mean really really

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"I have walked away plenty of times. Defending yourself is not throwing a bottle.

Everything was captured on camera and those who did just defend and move away seem to not be in jail.

Before you say it. Been there. Done it. Been to much worse and dangerous. Done it again. "

same ! ! point ?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

the guy who is the chair of the football supporters federation ran away as did others..

totally accept that its wrong and the police should have acted against the Russians if they were able to do so to prevent the need for it..

and not all would have been able to run and had to defend themselves which is what most of us would do if we had to..

but you seem to be trying to defend or justify the guys who have been jailed for throwing bottles at the police because the Russians and others attacked the English fans..?

Please see that some just couldn't walk away... in a predicament where they had no choice but to defend.. moving away wasn't an option given to some.

Have you ever been charged at by a cop in riot gear ?

Nope..

although i have worn a green uniform in full riot gear and been on the receiving end so to speak, on more than one occasion..

and been in a similar situation again in uniform but with the doors locked..

what's the relevance of your question..?

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By *sprey6Man
over a year ago

Here!

My point is the majority of fans are there for a good time. These attacks on them are awful. You know as well as I do that there is a minority gagging for a dust up. Some of those got a dust up. Every country is the same.

Look on it as the qualifiers for the next world cup in Russia which will be carnage!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does England not have organized gangs ?

Yes they do but you seem to be suggested that's the reason..

How did you find your time there... was it pleasant for you... or was you not there.. ? I could say I was if you want me too. You have

Oh dear.. Really.... I mean really really

"
Well come on mate. You are the one painting the picture of these poor innocent English fans been attacked and having to defend themselves. The news we see. Besides what happened in the ground.is organized meetings between rival gangs. And that includes England fans. I've been to lots of football matches. I know what goes on.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

the guy who is the chair of the football supporters federation ran away as did others..

totally accept that its wrong and the police should have acted against the Russians if they were able to do so to prevent the need for it..

and not all would have been able to run and had to defend themselves which is what most of us would do if we had to..

but you seem to be trying to defend or justify the guys who have been jailed for throwing bottles at the police because the Russians and others attacked the English fans..?

Please see that some just couldn't walk away... in a predicament where they had no choice but to defend.. moving away wasn't an option given to some.

im not saying that's its acceptable im saying that this was done on the defensive... without initial intent..

so to defend themselves from the Russians the English threw bottles at the French police?

Please read the thread if you join late...

Was stated much earlier that the police also attacked but this was due to the English defending themselves against Russian batons and knives ... is this ok ?"

read the whole thread and that's a new slant on it..

your now saying that the French police attacked the English because the English were defending themselves from the Russians (rightly so)..

why were none of the Russians arrested..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

english thugs where their to cause trouble innocent fans got caught up and now the thugs are trying to disguise themselves as innocent fans as a cover up if you throw bottles at the cops your getting the jail even the thickest idiot knows that

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Does England not have organized gangs ?

Yes they do but you seem to be suggested that's the reason..

How did you find your time there... was it pleasant for you... or was you not there.. ? I could say I was if you want me too. You have

Oh dear.. Really.... I mean really really

Well come on mate. You are the one painting the picture of these poor innocent English fans been attacked and having to defend themselves. The news we see. Besides what happened in the ground.is organized meetings between rival gangs. And that includes England fans. I've been to lots of football matches. I know what goes on."

You seen the news.. you said it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does England not have organized gangs ?

Yes they do but you seem to be suggested that's the reason..

How did you find your time there... was it pleasant for you... or was you not there.. ? I could say I was if you want me too. You have

Oh dear.. Really.... I mean really really

You seen the news.. you said it"
so I'm suppose to ignore the pictures and news. And listen to you for the truth ?

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By *ildt123Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield

We have had our terrible times with hooligans, it destroyed football. But we have taken massive steps to deal with it. Most of our nut cases are reporting to police stations every day and have no passport, banning orders have worked well. Yes there are a few idiots and for them I have zero sympathy, lock them up with a chocolate key for me.

But every other countries idiots wants to make a name for themselves by attacking English supporters. All the European nations have "Ultras" that are largely un-policed idiots hell bent on violence. Because of our historical reputation other nations seem unwilling to be objective and protect English fans.

No the UK media don't support Russia, but they do two things: report stories in a way to maximise drama and sales and feed their own agendas, currently related to a referendum soon.

UEFA and FIFA won't rock the boat with Russia as sponsors are heavily weighted in Russian companies and the World Cup is there in two years.

Colin Murray on Talksoort was there as an Irish fan with the Poles which was he said friendly and fantastic until gangs of French hooligans turned up, bet it won't be in the papers.

Just because it's in the express or on news at ten doesn't make it true.

I hate hooliganism, the lunatic morons have ruined the game but if all your doing is having a beer and a sing at a tournament you don't deserve to attacked by armed gangs, if you are you should be protected by the authorities, if your not what do you do? Full of adrenaline, fear and beer prevented from running away? Lie down and get a kicking, ask the nice man in the balaclava with an iron bar if he fancies tea and biscuits?

Why have UEFA not threatened to throw out France? Or Geemany and Ukraine after their pre match fighting?

It's just too easy to look at the Daily Fail and say oh here we go again.

It's not a crime to wear an England shirt drink beer and sing that's all the vast majority were doing.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Does England not have organized gangs ?

Yes they do but you seem to be suggested that's the reason..

How did you find your time there... was it pleasant for you... or was you not there.. ? I could say I was if you want me too. You have

Oh dear.. Really.... I mean really really

You seen the news.. you said itso I'm suppose to ignore the pictures and news. And listen to you for the truth ? "

I never once in this thread did i say anyone had to believe. . But it have stated facts. .

Point ?

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Fuck em. Let them rot.

There is no scenario where throwing bottles at the police is the action of an innocent.

Feel free to state every gang violence here you been involved in...

we all hate it and will support you as you come across as having anger and feel you need support in your final days."

LOL, nice try but this old man is coping with his demons just fine thanks.

I feel no need to show empathy toward those who have no one else to blame for their actions but themselves.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to but it probably says lot about you.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

Fuck em. Let them rot.

There is no scenario where throwing bottles at the police is the action of an innocent.

Feel free to state every gang violence here you been involved in...

we all hate it and will support you as you come across as having anger and feel you need support in your final days.

LOL, nice try but this old man is coping with his demons just fine thanks.

I feel no need to show empathy toward those who have no one else to blame for their actions but themselves.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to but it probably says lot about you. "

Thought so

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

the guy who is the chair of the football supporters federation ran away as did others..

totally accept that its wrong and the police should have acted against the Russians if they were able to do so to prevent the need for it..

and not all would have been able to run and had to defend themselves which is what most of us would do if we had to..

but you seem to be trying to defend or justify the guys who have been jailed for throwing bottles at the police because the Russians and others attacked the English fans..?

Please see that some just couldn't walk away... in a predicament where they had no choice but to defend.. moving away wasn't an option given to some.

im not saying that's its acceptable im saying that this was done on the defensive... without initial intent..

so to defend themselves from the Russians the English threw bottles at the French police?

Please read the thread if you join late...

Was stated much earlier that the police also attacked but this was due to the English defending themselves against Russian batons and knives ... is this ok ?"

Those two jolly England "fans" were jailed for jolly well having a spiffing football fun time.

They threw jolly bottles at the foreigners in a spirit of jolly fun.

OP, not really an act of self-defence, was it?

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over a year ago

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

the guy who is the chair of the football supporters federation ran away as did others..

totally accept that its wrong and the police should have acted against the Russians if they were able to do so to prevent the need for it..

and not all would have been able to run and had to defend themselves which is what most of us would do if we had to..

but you seem to be trying to defend or justify the guys who have been jailed for throwing bottles at the police because the Russians and others attacked the English fans..?

Please see that some just couldn't walk away... in a predicament where they had no choice but to defend.. moving away wasn't an option given to some.

Have you ever been charged at by a cop in riot gear ?

Nope..

although i have worn a green uniform in full riot gear and been on the receiving end so to speak, on more than one occasion..

and been in a similar situation again in uniform but with the doors locked..

what's the relevance of your question..?

Ok you obviously have been in worse situations , I wasn't to know that .

My point was the cops in these situations don't just defend they Atack aswell .

in that sort of situation all police may well take that approach, much better than being bottled to be decisive and take control..

still does not sway my opinion that anyone chucking bottles at any police, be that in this country or elsewhere and being caught will be in bother..

if they have got the wrong people then there may be an appeal if there is evidence to support that..

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

the guy who is the chair of the football supporters federation ran away as did others..

totally accept that its wrong and the police should have acted against the Russians if they were able to do so to prevent the need for it..

and not all would have been able to run and had to defend themselves which is what most of us would do if we had to..

but you seem to be trying to defend or justify the guys who have been jailed for throwing bottles at the police because the Russians and others attacked the English fans..?

Please see that some just couldn't walk away... in a predicament where they had no choice but to defend.. moving away wasn't an option given to some.

im not saying that's its acceptable im saying that this was done on the defensive... without initial intent..

so to defend themselves from the Russians the English threw bottles at the French police?

Please read the thread if you join late...

Was stated much earlier that the police also attacked but this was due to the English defending themselves against Russian batons and knives ... is this ok ?

Those two jolly England "fans" were jailed for jolly well having a spiffing football fun time.

They threw jolly bottles at the foreigners in a spirit of jolly fun.

OP, not really an act of self-defence, was it?"

Again... how was your visit whilst there ????. Or did you not go

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does England not have organized gangs ?

Yes they do but you seem to be suggested that's the reason..

How did you find your time there... was it pleasant for you... or was you not there.. ? I could say I was if you want me too. You have

Oh dear.. Really.... I mean really really

You seen the news.. you said itso I'm suppose to ignore the pictures and news. And listen to you for the truth ?

I never once in this thread did i say anyone had to believe. . But it have stated facts. .

Point ?"
my point is. I see the pictures, I read the news. I see the reports, and come to the conclusion not all English fans are poor little angels who are getting bullied. And only act in self defense. You are trying to convince me otherwise

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

What's even more worrying is some Russian MP has stated that fighting at football matches isn't that bad and he congratulated the Russian thugs for their performance!

This from a country hosting the World Cup in two year's time.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Does England not have organized gangs ?

Yes they do but you seem to be suggested that's the reason..

How did you find your time there... was it pleasant for you... or was you not there.. ? I could say I was if you want me too. You have

Oh dear.. Really.... I mean really really

You seen the news.. you said itso I'm suppose to ignore the pictures and news. And listen to you for the truth ?

I never once in this thread did i say anyone had to believe. . But it have stated facts. .

Point ? my point is. I see the pictures, I read the news. I see the reports, and come to the conclusion not all English fans are poor little angels who are getting bullied. And only act in self defense. You are trying to convince me otherwise "

Not trying to convince a complete stranger anything ... i stated facts... their is a difference

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I cba to scroll up through the thread so was anyone actually there or spoken to someone who was caught up in the event?

Isn't though, the minority of fans on both sides that cause the problem along with inept policing from the authorities.?

I know someone who was there & they said it was unbelievably scary when the Russians stormed over & started on fans.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"I cba to scroll up through the thread so was anyone actually there or spoken to someone who was caught up in the event?

Isn't though, the minority of fans on both sides that cause the problem along with inept policing from the authorities.?

I know someone who was there & they said it was unbelievably scary when the Russians stormed over & started on fans.

Thank you.... finally a true acknowledgement of how it must of felt..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably every club in England have a firm. Gangs of lads who just go to matches to fight. Do you reckon some of them maybe there. Or are they all banned ?

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By *icked ladyCouple
over a year ago

heathrow

Driveshaft I am an England fan and was in Marsaille in 98. I am in Lens vs Wales on Thursday and St Etienne on Monday after.

You ask what you do, the simple answer in not allow yourself to be caught in that situation. Drink with your mates outside the city, lots of us knew that game would be trouble hence why I returned my tickets.

You need to be smarter than the thugs!

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By *ethepeopleMan
over a year ago

Near you

"english thugs where their to cause trouble innocent fans got caught up and now the thugs are trying to disguise themselves as innocent fans as a cover up if you throw bottles at the cops your getting the jail even the thickest idiot knows that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

the guy who is the chair of the football supporters federation ran away as did others..

totally accept that its wrong and the police should have acted against the Russians if they were able to do so to prevent the need for it..

and not all would have been able to run and had to defend themselves which is what most of us would do if we had to..

but you seem to be trying to defend or justify the guys who have been jailed for throwing bottles at the police because the Russians and others attacked the English fans..?

Please see that some just couldn't walk away... in a predicament where they had no choice but to defend.. moving away wasn't an option given to some.

im not saying that's its acceptable im saying that this was done on the defensive... without initial intent..

so to defend themselves from the Russians the English threw bottles at the French police?

Please read the thread if you join late...

Was stated much earlier that the police also attacked but this was due to the English defending themselves against Russian batons and knives ... is this ok ?

Those two jolly England "fans" were jailed for jolly well having a spiffing football fun time.

They threw jolly bottles at the foreigners in a spirit of jolly fun.

OP, not really an act of self-defence, was it?

Again... how was your visit whilst there ????. Or did you not go"

No, OP, I was not there.

Did you see those two so-called English fans throwing their bottles.

Yes, the French police are ugly. Yes, there are unpleasant Russians and French. Yes, there are unpleasant English.

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Driveshaft I am an England fan and was in Marsaille in 98. I am in Lens vs Wales on Thursday and St Etienne on Monday after.

You need to be smarter than the thugs!"

Not the answer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I notice the welsh and the irish can sit and drink and have a great time with rival fans. Weird how its always the english fans who make the news,

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"Why does trouble seem to follow english fans

Because in the past England were followed by the hooligan firms but are not do much now !

But the other countries hooligans haven't realised this yet or don't care !

I give up here... that will get chicken comments from the outcast but hey..

I wont sit here again fellow Brits and defend what it was like against what they think they would of done..

Again..... walk away.... still cant get over that comment.

the guy who is the chair of the football supporters federation ran away as did others..

totally accept that its wrong and the police should have acted against the Russians if they were able to do so to prevent the need for it..

and not all would have been able to run and had to defend themselves which is what most of us would do if we had to..

but you seem to be trying to defend or justify the guys who have been jailed for throwing bottles at the police because the Russians and others attacked the English fans..?

Please see that some just couldn't walk away... in a predicament where they had no choice but to defend.. moving away wasn't an option given to some.

im not saying that's its acceptable im saying that this was done on the defensive... without initial intent..

so to defend themselves from the Russians the English threw bottles at the French police?

Please read the thread if you join late...

Was stated much earlier that the police also attacked but this was due to the English defending themselves against Russian batons and knives ... is this ok ?

Those two jolly England "fans" were jailed for jolly well having a spiffing football fun time.

They threw jolly bottles at the foreigners in a spirit of jolly fun.

OP, not really an act of self-defence, was it?

Again... how was your visit whilst there ????. Or did you not go

No, OP, I was not there.

Did you see those two so-called English fans throwing their bottles.

Yes, the French police are ugly. Yes, there are unpleasant Russians and French. Yes, there are unpleasant English."

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"I notice the welsh and the irish can sit and drink and have a great time with rival fans. Weird how its always the english fans who make the news,"

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over a year ago

"I notice the welsh and the irish can sit and drink and have a great time with rival fans. Weird how its always the english fans who make the news,

"
take that as a,dont know then

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By *ethepeopleMan
over a year ago

Near you

"Driveshaft I am an England fan and was in Marsaille in 98. I am in Lens vs Wales on Thursday and St Etienne on Monday after.

You need to be smarter than the thugs!

Not the answer "

Why

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"I notice the welsh and the irish can sit and drink and have a great time with rival fans. Weird how its always the english fans who make the news,

take that as a,dont know then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

also 150 Russians managed to escape

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

Wash ya mouth out son !

I'm up ya mothers bum !

She shouted at me to cum !

Wash ya mouth out son !

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

This went well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"also 150 Russians managed to escape "
Would of got away with it if it wernt for those pesky Russians

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over a year ago

Northants

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I understand what the op is trying to say I think. Englands Hooligan reputation in the past make them targets for the new breed of hooligan. They are seen as the fans to have a go at to make the headlines. The last 3 or 4 tournaments went without much aggro, and England were actually being praised for turning the old days around and were getting to be known as party people rather than hooligans.There are a few mindless morons that do try and cause trouble but from what I hear from a friend who is still out there, its the Russians and local French that are attacking the English

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By *rSwagger OP Man
over a year ago

Northants

"I understand what the op is trying to say I think. Englands Hooligan reputation in the past make them targets for the new breed of hooligan. They are seen as the fans to have a go at to make the headlines. The last 3 or 4 tournaments went without much aggro, and England were actually being praised for turning the old days around and were getting to be known as party people rather than hooligans.There are a few mindless morons that do try and cause trouble but from what I hear from a friend who is still out there, its the Russians and local French that are attacking the English"

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over a year ago

Northants

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wait untill Wednesday when the Russians target the welsh, see what you have to say then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have to say your story does seem to reflect a number of posts I've seen by other returning fans. And yes if attacked, retreat and if not able to retreat then defend however ....

Throwing stuff back at the police is going to get you noticed, regardless of what went before it's an aggressive act. There are also tales of English 'fans' (I do hate to use the word in this context) singing prevocative songs and shouting "where are you IS?" ... which I have to admit made me laugh at the stupidly of the challenge.

Glad you got back safely and though I applaud your published 'eye witness' accounts I fear that you are on a hiding to nothing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This echoes what other people have been saying too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wait untill Wednesday when the Russians target the welsh, see what you have to say then."
the Russians will target the English on Thursday again as they are only 25 mile away. has there been any trouble since the game on Saturday night?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

agreed and some reputable people have endorsed that but chucking bottles at the police will go down badly if caught which the OP seems to think is either justified because of the attacks by the Russians and others..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are far too many naive people on this thread who've never faced a situation out with their control that could have life or death consequences.

Let's see what happens if the Russians progress and play Croatia or Italy.

These guys may or may not be guilty of something but let's support them until we're sure.

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