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"The UK is considering allowing more than 1 million Turkish citizens visa-free travel to the UK, after information about "leaked documents" emerged in a leading Sunday paper. . The Proposal Was Supposed To Be Kept Under Wrap Until After The EU Referendum . The leaked cables referred to in the paper (SUNDAY TIMES) relate to a visa deal, reportedly planned as recompense for Turkish help dealing with the Syrian migrant crisis. In one memo, Janet Douglas, the deputy head of mission in Ankara, was reported to have told the Foreign Office that when it was implemented "we will need to develop our own lines on the UK's stance to visa-free travel for Turks. "One option would be to assess again the possibility of visa travel for Turkish special passport holders which would be a risk, but a significant and symbolic gesture to Turkey." . And another memo was said to suggest the European Commission was seeking to "avoid major escalation of tensions" with Turkey "before the end of June" so the issue could be kept "under control". more info in Sunday Times" . . . I think the story is probably true. It fits the pattern of lies told by 'Call Me(I fuck pigs heads)"we're all in this together" Dave' and his sidekick Gideon prior to other elections. So why should they not follow the tried and tested winning formula for this plebiscite? After all they are reusing 'project fear' that saved their necks when they gambled with UK unity to get into power first time round. Or has everyone forgotten that this is not the first time we have been here and that to the caMorn mind last time the gamble worked and destroyed cohesive UK mainland opposition to Tory plans by destroying Scottish Labour. This time the gamble may well deliver the same result in England by transferring votes from Labour to UKIP. I may be wrong but this is my read of whats going on. | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa." this is a bit misleading........ what has actually been agreed is they turkey will be given visa free travel rights within the schengen area.... however.... 1) it will be for tourist purposes only..... they will be allowed to travel within the schengen area for up to 3 months..... so you basically allowed turks to go on holiday within schengen with no permits needed 2) the rules for turks living and working within the Schengen area has NOT changed... they will still need the required visa's and/or work permits to do that.... 3) the UK is NOT part of the Schengen area... so therefore the rules for turkish travellers wishing to come to the UK has not changed, which means any turkish citizen wishing to come to the UK will need all the required visa's and permits..... there.... here to help..... ![]() | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa. this is a bit misleading........ what has actually been agreed is they turkey will be given visa free travel rights within the schengen area.... however.... 1) it will be for tourist purposes only..... they will be allowed to travel within the schengen area for up to 3 months..... so you basically allowed turks to go on holiday within schengen with no permits needed 2) the rules for turks living and working within the Schengen area has NOT changed... they will still need the required visa's and/or work permits to do that.... 3) the UK is NOT part of the Schengen area... so therefore the rules for turkish travellers wishing to come to the UK has not changed, which means any turkish citizen wishing to come to the UK will need all the required visa's and permits..... there.... here to help..... ![]() it is good to hear the voice of reason again! and totally agree with you ![]() | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa. this is a bit misleading........ what has actually been agreed is they turkey will be given visa free travel rights within the schengen area.... however.... 1) it will be for tourist purposes only..... they will be allowed to travel within the schengen area for up to 3 months..... so you basically allowed turks to go on holiday within schengen with no permits needed 2) the rules for turks living and working within the Schengen area has NOT changed... they will still need the required visa's and/or work permits to do that.... 3) the UK is NOT part of the Schengen area... so therefore the rules for turkish travellers wishing to come to the UK has not changed, which means any turkish citizen wishing to come to the UK will need all the required visa's and permits..... there.... here to help..... ![]() Thanks for that post, hopefully it clears things up for everybody. Well, everybody who wasn't just looking for an excuse to act all aggrieved about brown people. ![]() | |||
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"its not just turkey, 5 other countrys will also join the euro they are some of the poorest countrys and get free travel right to come here. so expect a huge increase in arrivals, unless we get out." what nonsense. to join the EU you need to comply with a whole list of requirements. nonew of the five is anywhere near meeting them. more lies by the outers which you seem to have swallowed | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa. this is a bit misleading........ what has actually been agreed is they turkey will be given visa free travel rights within the schengen area.... however.... 1) it will be for tourist purposes only..... they will be allowed to travel within the schengen area for up to 3 months..... so you basically allowed turks to go on holiday within schengen with no permits needed 2) the rules for turks living and working within the Schengen area has NOT changed... they will still need the required visa's and/or work permits to do that.... 3) the UK is NOT part of the Schengen area... so therefore the rules for turkish travellers wishing to come to the UK has not changed, which means any turkish citizen wishing to come to the UK will need all the required visa's and permits..... there.... here to help..... ![]() You missed out the 7 year thing of new members. | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa. this is a bit misleading........ what has actually been agreed is they turkey will be given visa free travel rights within the schengen area.... however.... 1) it will be for tourist purposes only..... they will be allowed to travel within the schengen area for up to 3 months..... so you basically allowed turks to go on holiday within schengen with no permits needed 2) the rules for turks living and working within the Schengen area has NOT changed... they will still need the required visa's and/or work permits to do that.... 3) the UK is NOT part of the Schengen area... so therefore the rules for turkish travellers wishing to come to the UK has not changed, which means any turkish citizen wishing to come to the UK will need all the required visa's and permits..... there.... here to help..... ![]() Exactly Fabio, however it does show that the EU is amenable to making concessions demanded by Turkey. Other concessions will follow though we are not going to speculate how far these will go. It is part of a power flexing on behalf of Turkey | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa." good ![]() | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion" Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.. | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion" funny how there is record levels of employment in this country and employers crying out for workers with the right skills and attitudes. | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.." The countryside around urban areas is diminishing at a alarming rate! You can state figures but I use my eyes....and close by me, what was always classed as green belts is being built on. Now as I said I am not out to blame it all on immigration but! It is definitely one of the causes and we can't just bury our heads in the sand and leave things go unchecked. If you had a leak in your house you would try and fix it ![]() | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.. The countryside around urban areas is diminishing at a alarming rate! You can state figures but I use my eyes....and close by me, what was always classed as green belts is being built on. Now as I said I am not out to blame it all on immigration but! It is definitely one of the causes and we can't just bury our heads in the sand and leave things go unchecked. If you had a leak in your house you would try and fix it ![]() I think you need to take a flight over the UK and then you might see how little is actually built on. | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.. The countryside around urban areas is diminishing at a alarming rate! You can state figures but I use my eyes....and close by me, what was always classed as green belts is being built on. Now as I said I am not out to blame it all on immigration but! It is definitely one of the causes and we can't just bury our heads in the sand and leave things go unchecked. If you had a leak in your house you would try and fix it ![]() Oh i am so sorry, i should have just agreed with you.. do beg my pardon.. must remember to open my eyes when i'm out walking my dog up the high street.. aha the old bury ones head in the sand line, yep your not one to debate anything with so will bail out now.. enjoy wrapping yourself in your comforting blanket of fear and alarm in this cold and soul less concrete jungle.. i normally take a leak in the loo.. | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.. The countryside around urban areas is diminishing at a alarming rate! You can state figures but I use my eyes....and close by me, what was always classed as green belts is being built on. Now as I said I am not out to blame it all on immigration but! It is definitely one of the causes and we can't just bury our heads in the sand and leave things go unchecked. If you had a leak in your house you would try and fix it ![]() who would have guessed that the North York moors, is no longer a national park but is now a national concrete car park.. tch i must open my eyes.. ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.." I suggest that we build large scale new housing developments for all our new foreign friends and I also suggest that the first of these are built in Reigate in and the surrounding countryside of Surrey. | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.. The countryside around urban areas is diminishing at a alarming rate! You can state figures but I use my eyes....and close by me, what was always classed as green belts is being built on. Now as I said I am not out to blame it all on immigration but! It is definitely one of the causes and we can't just bury our heads in the sand and leave things go unchecked. If you had a leak in your house you would try and fix it ![]() ![]() ![]() aha the old bury ones head in the sand line, yep your not one to debate anything with so will bail out now I thought you were bailing out...three posts later...your worse then any nagging wife ![]() | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa." Going by the green arrow you're like a dog with a bone! ![]() | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa." there aint 1million Turkish people with bloody passports you people choose to believe which parts ot the media suit you ....its sad how so many British people can be conned by the British media ........ | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa.there aint 1million Turkish people with bloody passports you people choose to believe which parts ot the media suit you ....its sad how so many British people can be conned by the British media ........" Tsk! Stop with your pesky facts. | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.. I suggest that we build large scale new housing developments for all our new foreign friends and I also suggest that the first of these are built in Reigate in and the surrounding countryside of Surrey." why do you say that like its something someone in that area may have an issue with..? to be honest a building programme would be a welcome idea and if those houses/flats etc where for people who are contributing which ironically the migrants have been shown to be then fine in principle.. albeit a bit silly and shortsighted just having people in one area given that wealth creation and job creation is needed in far less affluent (some may say effluent) area's of this green and pleasant land.. | |||
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"Immigration does need to have controls but blaming housing shortages, increased building, difficulty in getting a doctor's appointment, lack of jobs, long waiting times in a and e, the diminishing size of wagon wheels on immigration just prevents the real causes of these problems from being addressed." Exactly! There's going to be some bitterly disappointed people should we vote out when they wake up and find fuck all has changed in their lives. | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.. I suggest that we build large scale new housing developments for all our new foreign friends and I also suggest that the first of these are built in Reigate in and the surrounding countryside of Surrey." xenephobes of the world, unite. | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.. The countryside around urban areas is diminishing at a alarming rate! You can state figures but I use my eyes....and close by me, what was always classed as green belts is being built on. Now as I said I am not out to blame it all on immigration but! It is definitely one of the causes and we can't just bury our heads in the sand and leave things go unchecked. If you had a leak in your house you would try and fix it ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() never had one that nagged.. although lets be honest sometimes we all need the wise words of women to cut through the bs that some on here swallow without engaging that which is between their ears.. | |||
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"Wagon wheels are still on sale..? ![]() ![]() ![]() They conform to stringent EU regulations as far as shape is concerned. ![]() | |||
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"Immigration does need to have controls but blaming housing shortages, increased building, difficulty in getting a doctor's appointment, lack of jobs, long waiting times in a and e, the diminishing size of wagon wheels on immigration just prevents the real causes of these problems from being addressed. Exactly! There's going to be some bitterly disappointed people should we vote out when they wake up and find fuck all has changed in their lives." or that things have actually got worse..... | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa. this is a bit misleading........ what has actually been agreed is they turkey will be given visa free travel rights within the schengen area.... however.... 1) it will be for tourist purposes only..... they will be allowed to travel within the schengen area for up to 3 months..... so you basically allowed turks to go on holiday within schengen with no permits needed 2) the rules for turks living and working within the Schengen area has NOT changed... they will still need the required visa's and/or work permits to do that.... 3) the UK is NOT part of the Schengen area... so therefore the rules for turkish travellers wishing to come to the UK has not changed, which means any turkish citizen wishing to come to the UK will need all the required visa's and permits..... there.... here to help..... ![]() The trouble is Fabio that when people state how things are now they assume that this is how the state of affairs will always be. Just becaure x, y and z are in place now it doesn't mean they won't change. Just look how much has changed since we first joined in the 70's. | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa. this is a bit misleading........ what has actually been agreed is they turkey will be given visa free travel rights within the schengen area.... however.... 1) it will be for tourist purposes only..... they will be allowed to travel within the schengen area for up to 3 months..... so you basically allowed turks to go on holiday within schengen with no permits needed 2) the rules for turks living and working within the Schengen area has NOT changed... they will still need the required visa's and/or work permits to do that.... 3) the UK is NOT part of the Schengen area... so therefore the rules for turkish travellers wishing to come to the UK has not changed, which means any turkish citizen wishing to come to the UK will need all the required visa's and permits..... there.... here to help..... ![]() the world moves on but please acknowledge that what you originally wrote was incorrect. | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa.there aint 1million Turkish people with bloody passports you people choose to believe which parts ot the media suit you ....its sad how so many British people can be conned by the British media ........" Fact immigration is a problem! I have my point of view and so do you. I have made myself clear and unlike the poster who keeps posting to get a reaction when they say they are bailing out! My wheels are still intact but unlike you I have a life and do not check my phone every two minutes to look at replies!! Your behavior is so childish ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.. I suggest that we build large scale new housing developments for all our new foreign friends and I also suggest that the first of these are built in Reigate in and the surrounding countryside of Surrey." I second that idea. Plenty of spare land. We could start at Reigate with a major new urban sprawl for immigrants and work our way down to the coast. Brockham could be expanded, there could be the Leigh and Sidlow bypass, the North Downs business park for all the new jobs and not forgetting the Redhill Airport expansion so that all the immigrants can be flown right in. Surrey couple you are so pro-immigration why don't you spend the day in Birmingham and see if you still think we don't have an immigration problem! | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa." That's why we have to vote to leave the eu because if we vote to stay in Brussels will force us to take more and more immigriants.12 million turks have said they will come here once turkey join the eu.this country is full up!! | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa." Obviously I don't know the validity or otherwise of this story, but even if it were true, given free movement of people appears to be on the cards whether we vote in or out, would you rather our diplomats were part of the negotiations, or not? ![]() ![]() | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa. That's why we have to vote to leave the eu because if we vote to stay in Brussels will force us to take more and more immigriants.12 million turks have said they will come here once turkey join the eu.this country is full up!!" you do know turkey has made no progress on its application to join in 30 years. | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa. That's why we have to vote to leave the eu because if we vote to stay in Brussels will force us to take more and more immigriants.12 million turks have said they will come here once turkey join the eu.this country is full up!!" No wait. Haven't you heard. We've been told by Fabio that not one single Turk will be allowed in but just case a few do slip in we're going to send them to live on the Yorkshire moors because there's lots of spare land up there. | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa. That's why we have to vote to leave the eu because if we vote to stay in Brussels will force us to take more and more immigriants.12 million turks have said they will come here once turkey join the eu.this country is full up!! No wait. Haven't you heard. We've been told by Fabio that not one single Turk will be allowed in but just case a few do slip in we're going to send them to live on the Yorkshire moors because there's lots of spare land up there." You haven't been told that by Fabio at all. Go back, read his post then put your case forward as intelligently as he has. | |||
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"Wagon wheels are still on sale..? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Such a valuable contribution to the discussion! | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.. The countryside around urban areas is diminishing at a alarming rate! You can state figures but I use my eyes....and close by me, what was always classed as green belts is being built on. Now as I said I am not out to blame it all on immigration but! It is definitely one of the causes and we can't just bury our heads in the sand and leave things go unchecked. If you had a leak in your house you would try and fix it ![]() England is the most overcrowded country in Europe. Figures from the Office for National statistics (ONS) show England has 395 people per square km. The population density in England is double the level in Germany and quadruple that in France. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in Europe.html | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.. The countryside around urban areas is diminishing at a alarming rate! You can state figures but I use my eyes....and close by me, what was always classed as green belts is being built on. Now as I said I am not out to blame it all on immigration but! It is definitely one of the causes and we can't just bury our heads in the sand and leave things go unchecked. If you had a leak in your house you would try and fix it ![]() This ![]() | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.. I suggest that we build large scale new housing developments for all our new foreign friends and I also suggest that the first of these are built in Reigate in and the surrounding countryside of Surrey. I second that idea. Plenty of spare land. We could start at Reigate with a major new urban sprawl for immigrants and work our way down to the coast. Brockham could be expanded, there could be the Leigh and Sidlow bypass, the North Downs business park for all the new jobs and not forgetting the Redhill Airport expansion so that all the immigrants can be flown right in. Surrey couple you are so pro-immigration why don't you spend the day in Birmingham and see if you still think we don't have an immigration problem!" my view's on immigration has and its on here last year or someplace is i am in favour of the some sort of a system which allows in people who will contribute be that from within or outside of the EU.. we have to maintain the system where people who are seeking asylum from conflict and persecution are also given a fair hearing to prove their case or otherwise.. we either accept that we are part of this amazing planet and not just some insular once great empire and that we need 'new blood' to basically provide the labour to allow us to compete globally.. so is that 'pro immigration' as you assume or is it the real world and looking forward.. i've never said we don't have issue's whereby in some area's there are pressures on the system and resources but that's not down to the EU that's down to the shortsightedness of past and present Governments.. one thing i am opposed to is the all too common racism and sheer lack of humanity that is evident on here, when folks feel comfortable about calling drowning children 'scum' or stating that they should be 'dealt with' by machine guns its a fucking sad day and pretty shameful.. the blame game and divide and rule is an all too common tool and some just suck it up with glee.. | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.. The countryside around urban areas is diminishing at a alarming rate! You can state figures but I use my eyes....and close by me, what was always classed as green belts is being built on. Now as I said I am not out to blame it all on immigration but! It is definitely one of the causes and we can't just bury our heads in the sand and leave things go unchecked. If you had a leak in your house you would try and fix it ![]() This is just not fair! Have they stopped counting Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland as parts of the UK now? Has it become a referendum on whether or not England remains or leaves? If so I wish to protest because it's not fair to allow any part of the country to vote except London which has by far the highest population density. Meanwhile, the average UK population density is about the same as what you see when there are 3 people on a full size football pitch. Squeeze up a bit over there! Did someone mention wagon wheels ![]() | |||
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"Anyone still in any doubt that David Cameron wants Turkey to join the EU. This video shows he "wholeheartedly" supports Turkey joining the EU. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6JC5AcCZM" Still not convinced how about another different video of David Cameron saying he wants and supports Turkey joining the EU. www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8su2vCq950 | |||
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"Anyone still in any doubt that David Cameron wants Turkey to join the EU. This video shows he "wholeheartedly" supports Turkey joining the EU. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6JC5AcCZM" I think I may have spotted one or two edits in that. Are you sure it was produced by a genuinely unbiased source? ![]() | |||
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"Anyone still in any doubt that David Cameron wants Turkey to join the EU. This video shows he "wholeheartedly" supports Turkey joining the EU. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6JC5AcCZM" wanting and turkey to join and turkey joining are two very different thing just read this like http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/10325218/Turkey-will-probably-never-be-EU-member.html Still the brexit scaremongers try with untruths ... | |||
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"www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in Europe.html try a link that's not 8 years out of date OK, here is one from December 2013.... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.html" the report says the UK is not the most densely populated country in Europe ....and how would voting out help ? It may make it harder for the UK citizens to move to Europe making the UK even more populated ... | |||
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"www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in Europe.html try a link that's not 8 years out of date OK, here is one from December 2013.... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.html" You realise that England isnt voting on leaving the EU? The UK is 7th highest in population density... ![]() | |||
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"The UK is paying £1.8 billion to help Turkey, Macedonia, Montenegro, Albania, and Serbia join the EU. The UK government has agreed to pay £1.2 billion under the EU Instrument for Pre-Accession assistance to these countries between 2014 and 2020. In addition to this the UK will pay Turkey a further £640 million as part of the recent EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis, of which part of the agreed terms of the deal is to fast track Turkey membership to the EU. £1.2 billion for the EU Pre-Accession assistance scheme plus the £640 million to Turkey for the EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis makes a total of £1.8 billion the UK is paying to help those 5 countries join the EU. " give dates please as I can find no country is joining the eu before 2020 and there are no date set for any country to join after then | |||
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"www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in Europe.html try a link that's not 8 years out of date OK, here is one from December 2013.... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.html You realise that England isnt voting on leaving the EU? The UK is 7th highest in population density... ![]() Funny when it suits though eh? Remainers keep going on about if Scotland votes to stay in the EU and England votes to Leave then it could lead to a 2nd referendum in Scotland and the break up of the UK. You can't have it both ways. ![]() | |||
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"www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in Europe.html try a link that's not 8 years out of date OK, here is one from December 2013.... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.html You realise that England isnt voting on leaving the EU? The UK is 7th highest in population density... ![]() . I've had this argument dozens of times, it's completely unreasonable to count the UK in population density terms, most of the UK is totally unsuitable for human habitation/living/growing/livestock. There's a really good reason why Scotland has a population of about 5 million with nearly the same land mass as England. What were actually talking about is expanding the existing towns and cities and most of them are in England not Scotland not Wales and not n/Ireland. Unless of course you want to spend several trillion putting in infrastructure to the remote parts of Wales, Scotland, n/Ireland? | |||
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" OK, here is one from December 2013.... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.html You realise that England isnt voting on leaving the EU? The UK is 7th highest in population density... ![]() ![]() That's a whole different can of worms though, and I agree one where much bullshit has been spouted. I still can't see Spain etc welcoming Scotland back in after an independence vote. (and thanks for not asking me to name the other 6. My cool shades may have slipped when having to list San Marino and The Vatican City ![]() | |||
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"www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in Europe.html try a link that's not 8 years out of date OK, here is one from December 2013.... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.html so it's england alone now then? .... you've been vehement about evreything being a united kingdom of four nations up until this point in time ..... i'm calling you out on that dude ..... project paranoia strikes again" As i already said on another post, its a different story when Remainers talk about if Scotland votes to stay in the EU and England votes to Leave the EU it could lead to a 2nd referendum in Scotland and the break up of the UK. Is that project paranoia when Remainers bring it up? I don't see you calling Remainers out on that one when they bring it up? Wonder why? You can't have it both ways. | |||
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" it's completely unreasonable to count the UK in population density terms, most of the UK is totally unsuitable for human habitation/living/growing/livestock. There's a really good reason why Scotland has a population of about 5 million with nearly the same land mass as England. " Was it the Highland Clearances? Are you seriously saying places such as Glasgow don't have high population densities or are unfit for humans to live? Actually, don't answer that last bit... (sorry ya Weegies ![]() ![]() | |||
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"As i already said on another post, its a different story when Remainers talk about if Scotland votes to stay in the EU and England votes to Leave the EU it could lead to a 2nd referendum in Scotland and the break up of the UK. Is that project paranoia when Remainers bring it up? I don't see you calling Remainers out on that one when they bring it up? Wonder why? You can't have it both ways. " i'm not a remainer i'm a neutral .... i don't give a fuck which political wanker is whipping us, it's still going to make all our eyes water ... but it's you who can't have it both ways, especially when you've previously been so vociferous in ramming your utopian dream of a united kingdom down eveyone elses throats for so many years | |||
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"www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in Europe.html try a link that's not 8 years out of date OK, here is one from December 2013.... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.html You realise that England isnt voting on leaving the EU? The UK is 7th highest in population density... ![]() Then if you intend to make such a ridiculous comparison of population densities you need to do it when you've subtracted uninhabitable areas from other countries. All those mountains and forests that they have need to be taken off the totals as does every square centimetre of marshland and anything else that looks like it's vaguely difficult to build on. The use of population density is ridiculous in this gross nationalistic form when the density of population in various areas goes from a few dozen per sq km to 20000 plus in cities like London. It's about as much use for planning as saying the average UK citizen is beige in colour. | |||
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"The UK is paying £1.8 billion to help Turkey, Macedonia, Montenegro, Albania, and Serbia join the EU. The UK government has agreed to pay £1.2 billion under the EU Instrument for Pre-Accession assistance to these countries between 2014 and 2020. In addition to this the UK will pay Turkey a further £640 million as part of the recent EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis, of which part of the agreed terms of the deal is to fast track Turkey membership to the EU. £1.2 billion for the EU Pre-Accession assistance scheme plus the £640 million to Turkey for the EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis makes a total of £1.8 billion the UK is paying to help those 5 countries join the EU. So you're telling us, for about the thirtieth time , that the EU budget is being spent as planned, budgeted and agreed on accession countries? Are you going to take us through any more interesting budget lines, I can't wait. I think you'll find that the £640 million figure you keep repeating is untrue (there's a shock, hey?) although there is a £250 million contribution that the UK may make out of its foreign aid budget which is a completely separate pot of money for UKIPPERs to whinge about. Perhaps we can have a referendum on that next? " Would be an awful waste of European taxpayers money if those 5 countries don't join the EU. Oh, hang on a minute, the EU would never dream of wasting taxpayers money would they.......(but they do engage in a pointless waste of taxpayers money moving from Brussels to Strasbourg every so often so they do have a track record of wasting taxpayers money). | |||
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"The UK is paying £1.8 billion to help Turkey, Macedonia, Montenegro, Albania, and Serbia join the EU. The UK government has agreed to pay £1.2 billion under the EU Instrument for Pre-Accession assistance to these countries between 2014 and 2020. In addition to this the UK will pay Turkey a further £640 million as part of the recent EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis, of which part of the agreed terms of the deal is to fast track Turkey membership to the EU. £1.2 billion for the EU Pre-Accession assistance scheme plus the £640 million to Turkey for the EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis makes a total of £1.8 billion the UK is paying to help those 5 countries join the EU. So you're telling us, for about the thirtieth time , that the EU budget is being spent as planned, budgeted and agreed on accession countries? Are you going to take us through any more interesting budget lines, I can't wait. I think you'll find that the £640 million figure you keep repeating is untrue (there's a shock, hey?) although there is a £250 million contribution that the UK may make out of its foreign aid budget which is a completely separate pot of money for UKIPPERs to whinge about. Perhaps we can have a referendum on that next? Would be an awful waste of European taxpayers money if those 5 countries don't join the EU. Oh, hang on a minute, the EU would never dream of wasting taxpayers money would they.......(but they do engage in a pointless waste of taxpayers money moving from Brussels to Strasbourg every so often so they do have a track record of wasting taxpayers money). " I agree that moving the parliament around is a daft waste of money. That's the only half way sensible thing I've ever seen you write on the topic. As for using EU money to improve the social welfare, justice, systems etc in countries that may be joining it's proven very valuable in the past. After all 15 EU countries have a higher GDP growth rate than the UK and they are nearly all the recent accession countries. Sounds like money well spent to me. | |||
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" it's completely unreasonable to count the UK in population density terms, most of the UK is totally unsuitable for human habitation/living/growing/livestock. There's a really good reason why Scotland has a population of about 5 million with nearly the same land mass as England. Was it the Highland Clearances? Are you seriously saying places such as Glasgow don't have high population densities or are unfit for humans to live? Actually, don't answer that last bit... (sorry ya Weegies ![]() ![]() . I know it sounds crazy because we've all been to the lake district and the north Yorkshire moors on holiday and they looked idyllic but then we did go on a nice day in June. On most days in October, November, December there quite honestly unhabitable ![]() | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.. The countryside around urban areas is diminishing at a alarming rate! You can state figures but I use my eyes....and close by me, what was always classed as green belts is being built on. Now as I said I am not out to blame it all on immigration but! It is definitely one of the causes and we can't just bury our heads in the sand and leave things go unchecked. If you had a leak in your house you would try and fix it ![]() ![]() | |||
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"So PS4H, You opened with a statement that in the whole is correct. Cool. Fabio elaborated with additional and from what I've researched, factually correct, info which put your comments in a very different context. So, did you : A: Not know about the additional info Fabio provided? B: Know about it but choose not to mention in your original comment?" thanks for trying to get an answer out him... i doubt he will answer it doesn't suit the narrative he was trying to portray and they will concentrate on comments that cameron made about turkey ,whilst convieniently forgetting what boris johnson said about turkey joining (paraphasing... not any time soon) but heck... that doesn't do the scare job!!!! | |||
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"So PS4H, You opened with a statement that in the whole is correct. Cool. Fabio elaborated with additional and from what I've researched, factually correct, info which put your comments in a very different context. So, did you : A: Not know about the additional info Fabio provided? B: Know about it but choose not to mention in your original comment? thanks for trying to get an answer out him... i doubt he will answer it doesn't suit the narrative he was trying to portray and they will concentrate on comments that cameron made about turkey ,whilst convieniently forgetting what boris johnson said about turkey joining (paraphasing... not any time soon) but heck... that doesn't do the scare job!!!!" probably because they also know Boris spouts drivel when he opens his mouth.. | |||
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"The whole Euro thing is an excuse to import cheap labour which suits rich fat cats it's nothing but that they don't give a sod about there own countrymen!" True. Plus they don't give a shit about the damage to society or the environment to achieve more money | |||
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" it's completely unreasonable to count the UK in population density terms, most of the UK is totally unsuitable for human habitation/living/growing/livestock. There's a really good reason why Scotland has a population of about 5 million with nearly the same land mass as England. Was it the Highland Clearances? Are you seriously saying places such as Glasgow don't have high population densities or are unfit for humans to live? Actually, don't answer that last bit... (sorry ya Weegies ![]() ![]() ![]() . Is that it?.... I've never been west of Hereford? | |||
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" it's completely unreasonable to count the UK in population density terms, most of the UK is totally unsuitable for human habitation/living/growing/livestock. There's a really good reason why Scotland has a population of about 5 million with nearly the same land mass as England. Was it the Highland Clearances? Are you seriously saying places such as Glasgow don't have high population densities or are unfit for humans to live? Actually, don't answer that last bit... (sorry ya Weegies ![]() ![]() ![]() I did wonder about that Hereford post, about as relevant as when they mentioned Cannock chase being full of doggers and used condoms. | |||
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"So PS4H, You opened with a statement that in the whole is correct. Cool. Fabio elaborated with additional and from what I've researched, factually correct, info which put your comments in a very different context. So, did you : A: Not know about the additional info Fabio provided? B: Know about it but choose not to mention in your original comment? thanks for trying to get an answer out him... i doubt he will answer it doesn't suit the narrative he was trying to portray and they will concentrate on comments that cameron made about turkey ,whilst convieniently forgetting what boris johnson said about turkey joining (paraphasing... not any time soon) but heck... that doesn't do the scare job!!!!" Fabio is passionate about remaining. I'm passionate about leaving. Neither will change either's mind. I get the impression that he has a lot of trust in our politicians to do the right thing and that further EU expansion and free movement of Turkish citizens won't happen. I'm not willing to gamble my country's future on politician's promises and current EU vetos that could change or be removed. And I'm not talking about 7 year opt outs or 5 year vetos, I'm thinking about 20, 30 years from now. | |||
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"So PS4H, You opened with a statement that in the whole is correct. Cool. Fabio elaborated with additional and from what I've researched, factually correct, info which put your comments in a very different context. So, did you : A: Not know about the additional info Fabio provided? B: Know about it but choose not to mention in your original comment? thanks for trying to get an answer out him... i doubt he will answer it doesn't suit the narrative he was trying to portray and they will concentrate on comments that cameron made about turkey ,whilst convieniently forgetting what boris johnson said about turkey joining (paraphasing... not any time soon) but heck... that doesn't do the scare job!!!! Fabio is passionate about remaining. I'm passionate about leaving. Neither will change either's mind. I get the impression that he has a lot of trust in our politicians to do the right thing and that further EU expansion and free movement of Turkish citizens won't happen. I'm not willing to gamble my country's future on politician's promises and current EU vetos that could change or be removed. And I'm not talking about 7 year opt outs or 5 year vetos, I'm thinking about 20, 30 years from now." thats not what you were asked.... so can we try this again.... A: Not know about the additional info Fabio provided? B: Know about it but choose not to mention in your original comment? A or B please.... because at the moment at best your opening post looks misguided..... at worst it could be said to be delibertately misleading to suit your narrative....... so....................... ![]() | |||
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" But then you also need to look at the fact that most places in Scotland Wales and n/Ireland don't have water pipes, gas, electricity, sewage, roads, railways, hospitals, schools, houses, factory's or jobs... So yes you could build there but your not going to because the cost would be more than the gain you've clearly never been west of hereford lol. Is that it?.... I've never been west of Hereford? I did wonder about that Hereford post, about as relevant as when they mentioned Cannock chase being full of doggers and used condoms. " and when someone attempts to claim as fact that most places in wales don't have things like water pipes, electricity, roads, schools, houses or jobs etc. then that's laughable and almost insultingly naive .. so my quip about the poster not being west of hereford is extremely relevant | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.. I suggest that we build large scale new housing developments for all our new foreign friends and I also suggest that the first of these are built in Reigate in and the surrounding countryside of Surrey. I second that idea. Plenty of spare land. We could start at Reigate with a major new urban sprawl for immigrants and work our way down to the coast. Brockham could be expanded, there could be the Leigh and Sidlow bypass, the North Downs business park for all the new jobs and not forgetting the Redhill Airport expansion so that all the immigrants can be flown right in. Surrey couple you are so pro-immigration why don't you spend the day in Birmingham and see if you still think we don't have an immigration problem!" I live in Birmingham and don't think we have an immigration problem. What exactly is going wrong here? Too many brown people? | |||
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" I did wonder about that Hereford post, about as relevant as when they mentioned Cannock chase being full of doggers and used condoms. seeing as how you mentioned cannock chase in the first place i merely responded to you by describing my experience of doing chainsaw work there .... the place was littered with used condoms and dog shit." I never mentioned cannock first on this thread so that is a completely false statement on your part. You were the one who brought the geographical location of cannock into this debate when you wrote...... "Fucking beats cannock as a place to live guy". | |||
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" But then you also need to look at the fact that most places in Scotland Wales and n/Ireland don't have water pipes, gas, electricity, sewage, roads, railways, hospitals, schools, houses, factory's or jobs... So yes you could build there but your not going to because the cost would be more than the gain you've clearly never been west of hereford lol. Is that it?.... I've never been west of Hereford? I did wonder about that Hereford post, about as relevant as when they mentioned Cannock chase being full of doggers and used condoms. and when someone attempts to claim as fact that most places in wales don't have things like water pipes, electricity, roads, schools, houses or jobs etc. then that's laughable and almost insultingly naive .. so my quip about the poster not being west of hereford is extremely relevant" . Don't talk daft, I can't belive your an electrician and come out with nonsense like that. You drive 10 minutes outside of most welsh towns into the countryside, you've got no gas, no sewage, no water and electric from overhead cables because there's no infrastructure for it. If you drive anywhere from Colwyn bay south to barmouth you won't even get a mobile phone signal, never mind 4g | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.. I suggest that we build large scale new housing developments for all our new foreign friends and I also suggest that the first of these are built in Reigate in and the surrounding countryside of Surrey. I second that idea. Plenty of spare land. We could start at Reigate with a major new urban sprawl for immigrants and work our way down to the coast. Brockham could be expanded, there could be the Leigh and Sidlow bypass, the North Downs business park for all the new jobs and not forgetting the Redhill Airport expansion so that all the immigrants can be flown right in. Surrey couple you are so pro-immigration why don't you spend the day in Birmingham and see if you still think we don't have an immigration problem! I live in Birmingham and don't think we have an immigration problem. What exactly is going wrong here? Too many brown people?" Depends which area of Birmingham you live really. I'm sure someone living in the wealthy, affluent area of Sutton Coldfield would have a different view to the poor, deprived areas of Handsworth and Lozells. | |||
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" But then you also need to look at the fact that most places in Scotland Wales and n/Ireland don't have water pipes, gas, electricity, sewage, roads, railways, hospitals, schools, houses, factory's or jobs... So yes you could build there but your not going to because the cost would be more than the gain you've clearly never been west of hereford lol. Is that it?.... I've never been west of Hereford? I did wonder about that Hereford post, about as relevant as when they mentioned Cannock chase being full of doggers and used condoms. and when someone attempts to claim as fact that most places in wales don't have things like water pipes, electricity, roads, schools, houses or jobs etc. then that's laughable and almost insultingly naive .. so my quip about the poster not being west of hereford is extremely relevant . Don't talk daft, I can't belive your an electrician and come out with nonsense like that. You drive 10 minutes outside of most welsh towns into the countryside, you've got no gas, no sewage, no water and electric from overhead cables because there's no infrastructure for it. If you drive anywhere from Colwyn bay south to barmouth you won't even get a mobile phone signal, never mind 4g" An electrician/chainsaw worker on cannock chase. ![]() | |||
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"So PS4H, You opened with a statement that in the whole is correct. Cool. Fabio elaborated with additional and from what I've researched, factually correct, info which put your comments in a very different context. So, did you : A: Not know about the additional info Fabio provided? B: Know about it but choose not to mention in your original comment? thanks for trying to get an answer out him... i doubt he will answer it doesn't suit the narrative he was trying to portray and they will concentrate on comments that cameron made about turkey ,whilst convieniently forgetting what boris johnson said about turkey joining (paraphasing... not any time soon) but heck... that doesn't do the scare job!!!! Fabio is passionate about remaining. I'm passionate about leaving. Neither will change either's mind. I get the impression that he has a lot of trust in our politicians to do the right thing and that further EU expansion and free movement of Turkish citizens won't happen. I'm not willing to gamble my country's future on politician's promises and current EU vetos that could change or be removed. And I'm not talking about 7 year opt outs or 5 year vetos, I'm thinking about 20, 30 years from now. thats not what you were asked.... so can we try this again.... A: Not know about the additional info Fabio provided? B: Know about it but choose not to mention in your original comment? A or B please.... because at the moment at best your opening post looks misguided..... at worst it could be said to be delibertately misleading to suit your narrative....... so....................... ![]() It's just been on Sky news. The reporter said that it's there in black and white in the leaked documents. Some newspapers are stating that one million Turks is actually an underestimate of the figure. I think that if the vote to remain wins a lot of people who put their faith in EU vetos and opt outs are going to be disappointed. My op still stands as fact. | |||
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" I live in Birmingham and don't think we have an immigration problem. What exactly is going wrong here? Too many brown people?" Weelll the Turkish are kinda more white looking then brown. As I've said before leaving the EU will not make a difference to Immigration. Not in reducing it anyways. Most logical people will have realised this by now. So I don't really understand why there's a rehash of the same threads its all getting a bit tedious. Is there some sort of agenda being pushed that i'm missing ![]() | |||
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"So PS4H, You opened with a statement that in the whole is correct. Cool. Fabio elaborated with additional and from what I've researched, factually correct, info which put your comments in a very different context. So, did you : A: Not know about the additional info Fabio provided? B: Know about it but choose not to mention in your original comment? thanks for trying to get an answer out him... i doubt he will answer it doesn't suit the narrative he was trying to portray and they will concentrate on comments that cameron made about turkey ,whilst convieniently forgetting what boris johnson said about turkey joining (paraphasing... not any time soon) but heck... that doesn't do the scare job!!!! Fabio is passionate about remaining. I'm passionate about leaving. Neither will change either's mind. I get the impression that he has a lot of trust in our politicians to do the right thing and that further EU expansion and free movement of Turkish citizens won't happen. I'm not willing to gamble my country's future on politician's promises and current EU vetos that could change or be removed. And I'm not talking about 7 year opt outs or 5 year vetos, I'm thinking about 20, 30 years from now. thats not what you were asked.... so can we try this again.... A: Not know about the additional info Fabio provided? B: Know about it but choose not to mention in your original comment? A or B please.... because at the moment at best your opening post looks misguided..... at worst it could be said to be delibertately misleading to suit your narrative....... so....................... ![]() Do you have any idea how patheticly evasive you are being ? The question you are being asked to answer is whether or not you knew about the information Fabio posted before you started this thread. The fact that you wont give a straightforward answer to a straightforward questiin speaks volumes. | |||
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"its not just turkey, 5 other countrys will also join the euro they are some of the poorest countrys and get free travel right to come here. so expect a huge increase in arrivals, unless we get out." That's not actually true either. When, and if, those 5 countries join the EU they will not have the right to free movement until quite sometime after they become members. | |||
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" I did wonder about that Hereford post, about as relevant as when they mentioned Cannock chase being full of doggers and used condoms. seeing as how you mentioned cannock chase in the first place i merely responded to you by describing my experience of doing chainsaw work there .... the place was littered with used condoms and dog shit. I never mentioned cannock first on this thread so that is a completely false statement on your part. You were the one who brought the geographical location of cannock into this debate when you wrote...... "Fucking beats cannock as a place to live guy". " wrong .... you brought up the "chase" when you said "However Cannock has a protected area of outstanding natural beauty called Cannock chase forrest." | |||
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"I watched Michael portilo the other night and whilst I am not a big fan of him....he spoke some sense on immigration. As he said for the last 20 of thirty years it has been not PC to talk about it by polititions....remember Gordon Brown's reaction to the woman who brought it up? He went on to say whilst polititions have found it a taboo subject...the people finding there's less jobs due to it are questioning it! My opinion is it can't be left to go unchecked as it has done for years as we are a small country that is running out of countryside at a alarming rate. And my opinion is far from a racist opinion Uk countryside is abut 90%, with about just under 10% being urban/built upon.. think its safe to say we wont run out for a while yet.." Hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good myth. But the OP has a point. By making the whole immigration issue taboo we have ended up being hosted on our own petard. The whole discussion has gone on anyhow with mostly false and incorrect information. We're left in the situation were we have to constantly defend immigration against strongly held, although often incorrect, beliefs and I'm not sure we're winning the argument. | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa. this is a bit misleading........ what has actually been agreed is they turkey will be given visa free travel rights within the schengen area.... however.... 1) it will be for tourist purposes only..... they will be allowed to travel within the schengen area for up to 3 months..... so you basically allowed turks to go on holiday within schengen with no permits needed 2) the rules for turks living and working within the Schengen area has NOT changed... they will still need the required visa's and/or work permits to do that.... 3) the UK is NOT part of the Schengen area... so therefore the rules for turkish travellers wishing to come to the UK has not changed, which means any turkish citizen wishing to come to the UK will need all the required visa's and permits..... there.... here to help..... ![]() As I've already stated, politicians will do deals behind closed doors and a way will be found to make it happen. But here's a question for you Fabio. Are you and Ladyboy-Daddy one and the same person? Answer: A - no or B - yes ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Don't talk daft, I can't belive your an electrician and come out with nonsense like that. You drive 10 minutes outside of most welsh towns into the countryside, you've got no gas, no sewage, no water and electric from overhead cables because there's no infrastructure for it. If you drive anywhere from Colwyn bay south to barmouth you won't even get a mobile phone signal, never mind 4g" i don't ever call you out but on this occasion you're talking bollocks there dude | |||
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" But then you also need to look at the fact that most places in Scotland Wales and n/Ireland don't have water pipes, gas, electricity, sewage, roads, railways, hospitals, schools, houses, factory's or jobs... So yes you could build there but your not going to because the cost would be more than the gain you've clearly never been west of hereford lol. Is that it?.... I've never been west of Hereford? I did wonder about that Hereford post, about as relevant as when they mentioned Cannock chase being full of doggers and used condoms. and when someone attempts to claim as fact that most places in wales don't have things like water pipes, electricity, roads, schools, houses or jobs etc. then that's laughable and almost insultingly naive .. so my quip about the poster not being west of hereford is extremely relevant . Don't talk daft, I can't belive your an electrician and come out with nonsense like that. You drive 10 minutes outside of most welsh towns into the countryside, you've got no gas, no sewage, no water and electric from overhead cables because there's no infrastructure for it. If you drive anywhere from Colwyn bay south to barmouth you won't even get a mobile phone signal, never mind 4g An electrician/chainsaw worker on cannock chase. ![]() .... don't forget my original apprenticeship was as a joiner ![]() | |||
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"Immigration does need to have controls but blaming housing shortages, increased building, difficulty in getting a doctor's appointment, lack of jobs, long waiting times in a and e, the diminishing size of wagon wheels on immigration just prevents the real causes of these problems from being addressed." But the decreased size of wagon wheels is directly related to immigration. Every one knows that immigrants have smaller hands that natural born British people. The wagon wheels have been made smaller so the biscuit packers can fit them in their smaller hands and pack them more quickly. I'm surprised you didn't know that. | |||
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" I did wonder about that Hereford post, about as relevant as when they mentioned Cannock chase being full of doggers and used condoms. seeing as how you mentioned cannock chase in the first place i merely responded to you by describing my experience of doing chainsaw work there .... the place was littered with used condoms and dog shit. I never mentioned cannock first on this thread so that is a completely false statement on your part. You were the one who brought the geographical location of cannock into this debate when you wrote...... "Fucking beats cannock as a place to live guy". wrong .... you brought up the "chase" when you said "However Cannock has a protected area of outstanding natural beauty called Cannock chase forrest." " You are wrong. I just scrolled back up the thread to check. Suggest you do the same. You wrote... "Fucking beats cannock as a nice place to live guy" before I wrote, "Cannock has an area of outstanding natural beauty called Cannock chase forrest". | |||
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"Immigration does need to have controls but blaming housing shortages, increased building, difficulty in getting a doctor's appointment, lack of jobs, long waiting times in a and e, the diminishing size of wagon wheels on immigration just prevents the real causes of these problems from being addressed. Exactly! There's going to be some bitterly disappointed people should we vote out when they wake up and find fuck all has changed in their lives." Except, perhaps, there job not being there any more because of the inevitable recession BREXIT would bring with it. | |||
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"its not just turkey, 5 other countrys will also join the euro they are some of the poorest countrys and get free travel right to come here. so expect a huge increase in arrivals, unless we get out. That's not actually true either. When, and if, those 5 countries join the EU they will not have the right to free movement until quite sometime after they become members. " 'Quite some time.' Well that could be a year to one hundred years. Can you be more specific? | |||
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"Immigration does need to have controls but blaming housing shortages, increased building, difficulty in getting a doctor's appointment, lack of jobs, long waiting times in a and e, the diminishing size of wagon wheels on immigration just prevents the real causes of these problems from being addressed. Exactly! There's going to be some bitterly disappointed people should we vote out when they wake up and find fuck all has changed in their lives. Except, perhaps, there job not being there any more because of the inevitable recession BREXIT would bring with it." There are many British MEP's in the European Parliament who are campaigning for Britain to leave the EU, they will be very happy to be out of a job if we leave the EU. | |||
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" I did wonder about that Hereford post, about as relevant as when they mentioned Cannock chase being full of doggers and used condoms. seeing as how you mentioned cannock chase in the first place i merely responded to you by describing my experience of doing chainsaw work there .... the place was littered with used condoms and dog shit. I never mentioned cannock first on this thread so that is a completely false statement on your part. You were the one who brought the geographical location of cannock into this debate when you wrote...... "Fucking beats cannock as a place to live guy". wrong .... you brought up the "chase" when you said "However Cannock has a protected area of outstanding natural beauty called Cannock chase forrest." You are wrong. I just scrolled back up the thread to check. Suggest you do the same. You wrote... "Fucking beats cannock as a nice place to live guy" before I wrote, "Cannock has an area of outstanding natural beauty called Cannock chase forrest". " yeah i said "fucking beats cannock as a nice place to live guy" .... so where in that scentence did i mention the "chase"? | |||
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"Except, perhaps, there job not being there any more because of the inevitable recession BREXIT would bring with it." On Friday we had £1k wiped off the ISA that is meant to be repaying our mortgage, just because a poll indicated Brexit might win. That's not a scare tactic, that's just a cold fact. The pound also plummeted, which will soon feed into higher prices for fuel and food. This is the sad reality that the rhetoric is trying to hide. ![]() | |||
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" I did wonder about that Hereford post, about as relevant as when they mentioned Cannock chase being full of doggers and used condoms. seeing as how you mentioned cannock chase in the first place i merely responded to you by describing my experience of doing chainsaw work there .... the place was littered with used condoms and dog shit. I never mentioned cannock first on this thread so that is a completely false statement on your part. You were the one who brought the geographical location of cannock into this debate when you wrote...... "Fucking beats cannock as a place to live guy". wrong .... you brought up the "chase" when you said "However Cannock has a protected area of outstanding natural beauty called Cannock chase forrest." You are wrong. I just scrolled back up the thread to check. Suggest you do the same. You wrote... "Fucking beats cannock as a nice place to live guy" before I wrote, "Cannock has an area of outstanding natural beauty called Cannock chase forrest". yeah i said "fucking beats cannock as a nice place to live guy" .... so where in that scentence did i mention the "chase"? " You just admitted it then, you brought the geographical location of Cannock into this debate (of which Cannock chase is a part). Thanks for having the good grace to admit you were wrong. ![]() | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa. That's why we have to vote to leave the eu because if we vote to stay in Brussels will force us to take more and more immigriants.12 million turks have said they will come here once turkey join the eu.this country is full up!!" That's total rubbish. Firstly Turkey has no chance of joining the EU within the next 20 years, possibly not even within the lifetime of anyone on this site and, quite conceivably never. Secondly 12 million Turks would represent 16% of the total Turkish population. If Turkey thought that that many people were going to leave, totally decimating their productive abilities, they simply would not join the EU. Over egging an argument with totally fanciful figures just makes the whole argument sound ridiculous. | |||
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" I did wonder about that Hereford post, about as relevant as when they mentioned Cannock chase being full of doggers and used condoms. seeing as how you mentioned cannock chase in the first place i merely responded to you by describing my experience of doing chainsaw work there .... the place was littered with used condoms and dog shit. I never mentioned cannock first on this thread so that is a completely false statement on your part. You were the one who brought the geographical location of cannock into this debate when you wrote...... "Fucking beats cannock as a place to live guy". wrong .... you brought up the "chase" when you said "However Cannock has a protected area of outstanding natural beauty called Cannock chase forrest." You are wrong. I just scrolled back up the thread to check. Suggest you do the same. You wrote... "Fucking beats cannock as a nice place to live guy" before I wrote, "Cannock has an area of outstanding natural beauty called Cannock chase forrest". yeah i said "fucking beats cannock as a nice place to live guy" .... so where in that scentence did i mention the "chase"? You just admitted it then, you brought the geographical location of Cannock into this debate (of which Cannock chase is a part). Thanks for having the good grace to admit you were wrong. ![]() no, i haven't admitted anything of the sort lol | |||
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"Except, perhaps, there job not being there any more because of the inevitable recession BREXIT would bring with it. On Friday we had £1k wiped off the ISA that is meant to be repaying our mortgage, just because a poll indicated Brexit might win. That's not a scare tactic, that's just a cold fact. The pound also plummeted, which will soon feed into higher prices for fuel and food. This is the sad reality that the rhetoric is trying to hide. ![]() It's a fact that the £ pound is higher now than it was in March and the polls have shifted more towards Brexit since then. Also fuel bills will be lower if we leave the EU because we can cut VAT on energy bills to below 5% which we currently can't do as members of the EU because EU rules prevent us from doing so. | |||
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"Should higher prices be the case then I think it's a small price to pay to keep our country ours... The picture is far bigger than our personal bank accounts!" True. It will also affect the taxes we pay when the cost of servicing Gordon's huge public debt mountain goes up. And the cost of foreign holidays. Not to mention the effect on our business competitiveness abroad once the inevitable inflation feeds through into wage demands. | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa. That's why we have to vote to leave the eu because if we vote to stay in Brussels will force us to take more and more immigriants.12 million turks have said they will come here once turkey join the eu.this country is full up!! No wait. Haven't you heard. We've been told by Fabio that not one single Turk will be allowed in but just case a few do slip in we're going to send them to live on the Yorkshire moors because there's lots of spare land up there." BRECITers just can't help lying, can they. Fabio never said that 'not one single Turk will be allowed in'. Turks, and quite a few at that, are currently allowed into Britain either for holidays or as non EU migrants. That won't change whether we vote leave or remain. | |||
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"Immigration does need to have controls but blaming housing shortages, increased building, difficulty in getting a doctor's appointment, lack of jobs, long waiting times in a and e, the diminishing size of wagon wheels on immigration just prevents the real causes of these problems from being addressed. Exactly! There's going to be some bitterly disappointed people should we vote out when they wake up and find fuck all has changed in their lives. Except, perhaps, there job not being there any more because of the inevitable recession BREXIT would bring with it. There are many British MEP's in the European Parliament who are campaigning for Britain to leave the EU, they will be very happy to be out of a job if we leave the EU. " With their big fat pensions and an enormous severance allowance paid for by the EU they won't be giving up much. Spare your tears for the more deserving who will have their incomes, investments, pensions and job prospects damaged by brexit if it should happen. | |||
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"Except, perhaps, there job not being there any more because of the inevitable recession BREXIT would bring with it. On Friday we had £1k wiped off the ISA that is meant to be repaying our mortgage, just because a poll indicated Brexit might win. That's not a scare tactic, that's just a cold fact. The pound also plummeted, which will soon feed into higher prices for fuel and food. This is the sad reality that the rhetoric is trying to hide. ![]() If you cut VAT on fuel, where will you raise taxes to balance the books? That's a nonsense argument. Did the pound not fall dramatically on Friday on the issuing of the latest poll? Were the figures in March not related to the sudden news that Boris had come out for Brexit after earlier indications he would back remain? Either way the pound is at record lows currently thanks to the uncertainty. | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa. That's why we have to vote to leave the eu because if we vote to stay in Brussels will force us to take more and more immigriants.12 million turks have said they will come here once turkey join the eu.this country is full up!! That's total rubbish. Firstly Turkey has no chance of joining the EU within the next 20 years, possibly not even within the lifetime of anyone on this site and, quite conceivably never. Secondly 12 million Turks would represent 16% of the total Turkish population. If Turkey thought that that many people were going to leave, totally decimating their productive abilities, they simply would not join the EU. Over egging an argument with totally fanciful figures just makes the whole argument sound ridiculous." Oh just LOL. ![]() | |||
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"Anyone still in any doubt that David Cameron wants Turkey to join the EU. This video shows he "wholeheartedly" supports Turkey joining the EU. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6JC5AcCZM Still not convinced how about another different video of David Cameron saying he wants and supports Turkey joining the EU. www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8su2vCq950" What's your point. Whether Britain wants Turkey to join or not isn't relevant until Turkey is fit to join. It simply isn't and won't be for a very, very long time, if ever. Also if it ever is fit and ready to actually meet the criteria to join it seems quite likely that at the very least Greece and Cyprus would veto it joining along with a host of other Balkan states. You're not a stupid person, you know these geopolitical facts as well as I do. | |||
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"Anyone still in any doubt that David Cameron wants Turkey to join the EU. This video shows he "wholeheartedly" supports Turkey joining the EU. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6JC5AcCZM Still not convinced how about another different video of David Cameron saying he wants and supports Turkey joining the EU. www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8su2vCq950 What's your point. Whether Britain wants Turkey to join or not isn't relevant until Turkey is fit to join. It simply isn't and won't be for a very, very long time, if ever. Also if it ever is fit and ready to actually meet the criteria to join it seems quite likely that at the very least Greece and Cyprus would veto it joining along with a host of other Balkan states. You're not a stupid person, you know these geopolitical facts as well as I do. " Throwing my 2p in the ring... as the goal posts stand now it is unlikely that turkey woukd join the EU anytime soon. That's not to say that the goal posts can't be moved. As for the power of veto, hmm the term do as your told or else springs to mind! | |||
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"www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in Europe.html try a link that's not 8 years out of date OK, here is one from December 2013.... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.html You realise that England isnt voting on leaving the EU? The UK is 7th highest in population density... ![]() ![]() Well actually on this one we can. If the UK votes to leave but Scotland votes to stay that will make another referendum in Scotland more likely and another referendum in Scotland makes the possibility of a UK breakup more likely than not have a second referendum in Scotland. What's not to understand about that? | |||
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" I did wonder about that Hereford post, about as relevant as when they mentioned Cannock chase being full of doggers and used condoms. seeing as how you mentioned cannock chase in the first place i merely responded to you by describing my experience of doing chainsaw work there .... the place was littered with used condoms and dog shit. I never mentioned cannock first on this thread so that is a completely false statement on your part. You were the one who brought the geographical location of cannock into this debate when you wrote...... "Fucking beats cannock as a place to live guy". wrong .... you brought up the "chase" when you said "However Cannock has a protected area of outstanding natural beauty called Cannock chase forrest." You are wrong. I just scrolled back up the thread to check. Suggest you do the same. You wrote... "Fucking beats cannock as a nice place to live guy" before I wrote, "Cannock has an area of outstanding natural beauty called Cannock chase forrest". " You know what? And this goes for bits-and-pieces to. No one gives a flying shirt which one of you mentioned Cannock first. | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa. That's why we have to vote to leave the eu because if we vote to stay in Brussels will force us to take more and more immigriants.12 million turks have said they will come here once turkey join the eu.this country is full up!!" What bit of Turkey wont be joining the EU any time in the next zillion years did you not grasp? | |||
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"its not just turkey, 5 other countrys will also join the euro they are some of the poorest countrys and get free travel right to come here. so expect a huge increase in arrivals, unless we get out. That's not actually true either. When, and if, those 5 countries join the EU they will not have the right to free movement until quite sometime after they become members. 'Quite some time.' Well that could be a year to one hundred years. Can you be more specific?" I think it's currently 7 years actually but a quick google will give the answer. However there is talk of making it longer or even indefinitely until the accession country has reached closer parity with existing EU states. | |||
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"Except, perhaps, there job not being there any more because of the inevitable recession BREXIT would bring with it. On Friday we had £1k wiped off the ISA that is meant to be repaying our mortgage, just because a poll indicated Brexit might win. That's not a scare tactic, that's just a cold fact. The pound also plummeted, which will soon feed into higher prices for fuel and food. This is the sad reality that the rhetoric is trying to hide. ![]() The pound was worth E1.44 last July. It's worth E1.25 today.... If you think that VAT will be removed from fuel if we leave the EU youre sadly deluded. Out of the £8.5bn we "save by not being in the EU, Boris et al have already promised us things that will cost £110bn...... | |||
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"There only is one way to vote....vote OUT....let common sense prevail, over fear and statistics(remember, there are lies, damned lies and statistics) Think about it....we are the worlds 5th largest economy.....we export to EU, 5 times more than we import ie they need our goods, more than we do theirs. The EU only accounts for 20% of world trade and it prevents businesses from dealing directly with countries outside the EU. The diversionary tactic of the "£350 million a week lie" does nothing to prove a 'net gain' by remaining, there is no net gain. The 10 million that disappears within the EU has not been explained. The meaningless veto that the UK can't exercise. The 'worst case' forecasts that are being portrayed as fact. The scare tactics over pensions, targetted at one of the most vulnerable groups in society. The denial that immigration effects our services and our economy.....of course accept those who bring skills to the country.....get rid of the unskilled, who send child benefit to families in their countries of origin and 'settle' here to enjoy nhs doctors, dentists etc etc Treat others, as they treat you....what entitlements do we have, if we move to any of their countries? None!! The remain vote are have no fact based arguments, it's all pc bullshit and protecting the cushy jobs they hold.....how much does the EU suck up in administration? We will still be in Nato, wto, G7 etc etc It's all smoke and mirrors....lets get out and move forward without senseless beaurocracy from Brussells. Out Out Out!!!" We have a trade deficit with the EU....stop making up statistics please. | |||
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"Immigration does need to have controls but blaming housing shortages, increased building, difficulty in getting a doctor's appointment, lack of jobs, long waiting times in a and e, the diminishing size of wagon wheels on immigration just prevents the real causes of these problems from being addressed. Exactly! There's going to be some bitterly disappointed people should we vote out when they wake up and find fuck all has changed in their lives. Except, perhaps, there job not being there any more because of the inevitable recession BREXIT would bring with it. There are many British MEP's in the European Parliament who are campaigning for Britain to leave the EU, they will be very happy to be out of a job if we leave the EU. " The fact that a bunch of UKIP MEPs, who have done next to nothing the whole time they have been in the European Parliament and are due to pick up quite nice pensions from the EU, will also loose their jobs will be small comfort, if any, to the real people loosing real jobs. | |||
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"Should higher prices be the case then I think it's a small price to pay to keep our country ours... The picture is far bigger than our personal bank accounts!" I think it may be a bit worse than a small price increase but put that argument to the British people, stop telling then that everything will be Ok and start telling them that things will be worse but that, in the end, it will be worth it because we'll be keeping out country, if that's what you really think. Personally I've never felt I lost my country. | |||
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"Except, perhaps, there job not being there any more because of the inevitable recession BREXIT would bring with it. On Friday we had £1k wiped off the ISA that is meant to be repaying our mortgage, just because a poll indicated Brexit might win. That's not a scare tactic, that's just a cold fact. The pound also plummeted, which will soon feed into higher prices for fuel and food. This is the sad reality that the rhetoric is trying to hide. ![]() We could or we would? We used to have 0% VAT on domestic fuel up to 1994 when it was added as a green tax by the British government. Who is now saying it's going to be removed. And, if it is removed then surely that must come out of the net savings that BREXIT have already said they are going to spend on Schools & the NHS. Even BREXITers can't spend the same money multiple times. | |||
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"Should higher prices be the case then I think it's a small price to pay to keep our country ours... The picture is far bigger than our personal bank accounts! I think it may be a bit worse than a small price increase but put that argument to the British people, stop telling then that everything will be Ok and start telling them that things will be worse but that, in the end, it will be worth it because we'll be keeping out country, if that's what you really think. Personally I've never felt I lost my country." Then ask yourself this. The EEC was one thing. The EU is something completely different. Where will we be in 25 years time if we stay in? | |||
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" I did wonder about that Hereford post, about as relevant as when they mentioned Cannock chase being full of doggers and used condoms. seeing as how you mentioned cannock chase in the first place i merely responded to you by describing my experience of doing chainsaw work there .... the place was littered with used condoms and dog shit. I never mentioned cannock first on this thread so that is a completely false statement on your part. You were the one who brought the geographical location of cannock into this debate when you wrote...... "Fucking beats cannock as a place to live guy". wrong .... you brought up the "chase" when you said "However Cannock has a protected area of outstanding natural beauty called Cannock chase forrest." You are wrong. I just scrolled back up the thread to check. Suggest you do the same. You wrote... "Fucking beats cannock as a nice place to live guy" before I wrote, "Cannock has an area of outstanding natural beauty called Cannock chase forrest". You know what? And this goes for bits-and-pieces to. No one gives a flying shirt which one of you mentioned Cannock first. " A flying shirt? Is it a Superman one? ![]() | |||
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"Immigration does need to have controls but blaming housing shortages, increased building, difficulty in getting a doctor's appointment, lack of jobs, long waiting times in a and e, the diminishing size of wagon wheels on immigration just prevents the real causes of these problems from being addressed. Exactly! There's going to be some bitterly disappointed people should we vote out when they wake up and find fuck all has changed in their lives. Except, perhaps, there job not being there any more because of the inevitable recession BREXIT would bring with it. There are many British MEP's in the European Parliament who are campaigning for Britain to leave the EU, they will be very happy to be out of a job if we leave the EU. The fact that a bunch of UKIP MEPs, who have done next to nothing the whole time they have been in the European Parliament and are due to pick up quite nice pensions from the EU, will also loose their jobs will be small comfort, if any, to the real people loosing real jobs." Quite a few Conservative MEP's in the European Parliament campaigning for Brexit too. | |||
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"British diplomats are in talks to allow one million Turks visa free travel rights within the EU to be announced after June 24th. This is part of the deal agreed by the EU for Turkey taking in illegal immigrants from Africa. That's why we have to vote to leave the eu because if we vote to stay in Brussels will force us to take more and more immigriants.12 million turks have said they will come here once turkey join the eu.this country is full up!! That's total rubbish. Firstly Turkey has no chance of joining the EU within the next 20 years, possibly not even within the lifetime of anyone on this site and, quite conceivably never. Secondly 12 million Turks would represent 16% of the total Turkish population. If Turkey thought that that many people were going to leave, totally decimating their productive abilities, they simply would not join the EU. Over egging an argument with totally fanciful figures just makes the whole argument sound ridiculous. Oh just LOL. ![]() I don't think the forecasts of the likely economic results of a BREXIT are actually over egged. But if you and many others do, don't you think that rather proves my point, over stating any case can be counterproductive? | |||
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"www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in Europe.html try a link that's not 8 years out of date OK, here is one from December 2013.... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.html You realise that England isnt voting on leaving the EU? The UK is 7th highest in population density... ![]() ![]() I am not a fan of referendum and would not support a second referendum in Scotland. I also think that if there was one anytime soon the likely result would be that Scotland would still vote to remain part of the UK, whether we are in or out of the EU. I also agree that legally this referendum is for the whole of the UK as one United Kingdom. However you're sticking your head in the sand if you don't see that England and Scotland voting different ways in this referendum is not likely to make another Scottish referendum more likely (not inevitable) and that another Scottish referendum would not make a break up of the UK more likely than no Scottish referendum. It may not be what either of us want or even think should happen but, it is more likely to happen. | |||
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"www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in Europe.html try a link that's not 8 years out of date OK, here is one from December 2013.... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.html You realise that England isnt voting on leaving the EU? The UK is 7th highest in population density... ![]() ![]() I'm not sucking sand at all.. I believe that certain parties are using this whole thing to try and bring about a Scottish referendum. And I think it's bang out of order... | |||
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"There only is one way to vote....vote OUT....let common sense prevail, over fear and statistics(remember, there are lies, damned lies and statistics) Think about it....we are the worlds 5th largest economy.....we export to EU, 5 times more than we import ie they need our goods, more than we do theirs. The EU only accounts for 20% of world trade and it prevents businesses from dealing directly with countries outside the EU. The diversionary tactic of the "£350 million a week lie" does nothing to prove a 'net gain' by remaining, there is no net gain. The 10 million that disappears within the EU has not been explained. The meaningless veto that the UK can't exercise. The 'worst case' forecasts that are being portrayed as fact. The scare tactics over pensions, targetted at one of the most vulnerable groups in society. The denial that immigration effects our services and our economy.....of course accept those who bring skills to the country.....get rid of the unskilled, who send child benefit to families in their countries of origin and 'settle' here to enjoy nhs doctors, dentists etc etc Treat others, as they treat you....what entitlements do we have, if we move to any of their countries? None!! The remain vote are have no fact based arguments, it's all pc bullshit and protecting the cushy jobs they hold.....how much does the EU suck up in administration? We will still be in Nato, wto, G7 etc etc It's all smoke and mirrors....lets get out and move forward without senseless beaurocracy from Brussells. Out Out Out!!! We have a trade deficit with the EU....stop making up statistics please." I think his argument is bollocks but on this one point I think he just got the words import and export the wrong way round. Of course he got other things wrong to. For example when he says " who send child benefit to families in their countries of origin and 'settle' here to enjoy nhs doctors, dentists etc etc Treat others, as they treat you....what entitlements do we have, if we move to any of their countries? None!! " We don't have to send child benefit to other countries any longer and in fact we never did under EU law, it's British law that said we had to send it. And British people living in EU countries, or even visiting, have exactly the same rights to medical treatment in those countries as they have here, not none as the poster claimed. The only thing that seems obvious to me from the posters post is that, while he may genuine believe what he's saying, he simply does not know what he's talking about. | |||
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"Should higher prices be the case then I think it's a small price to pay to keep our country ours... The picture is far bigger than our personal bank accounts! I think it may be a bit worse than a small price increase but put that argument to the British people, stop telling then that everything will be Ok and start telling them that things will be worse but that, in the end, it will be worth it because we'll be keeping out country, if that's what you really think. Personally I've never felt I lost my country. Then ask yourself this. The EEC was one thing. The EU is something completely different. Where will we be in 25 years time if we stay in?" Hopefully a rich, successfully, harmonious, integrated trading block of sovereign countries, much as it is now and was 25 years ago. | |||
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" I did wonder about that Hereford post, about as relevant as when they mentioned Cannock chase being full of doggers and used condoms. seeing as how you mentioned cannock chase in the first place i merely responded to you by describing my experience of doing chainsaw work there .... the place was littered with used condoms and dog shit. I never mentioned cannock first on this thread so that is a completely false statement on your part. You were the one who brought the geographical location of cannock into this debate when you wrote...... "Fucking beats cannock as a place to live guy". wrong .... you brought up the "chase" when you said "However Cannock has a protected area of outstanding natural beauty called Cannock chase forrest." You are wrong. I just scrolled back up the thread to check. Suggest you do the same. You wrote... "Fucking beats cannock as a nice place to live guy" before I wrote, "Cannock has an area of outstanding natural beauty called Cannock chase forrest". You know what? And this goes for bits-and-pieces to. No one gives a flying shirt which one of you mentioned Cannock first. A flying shirt? Is it a Superman one? ![]() Predictive text! What can I say. | |||
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"www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in Europe.html try a link that's not 8 years out of date OK, here is one from December 2013.... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.html You realise that England isnt voting on leaving the EU? The UK is 7th highest in population density... ![]() ![]() I agree some parties are and it is bang out of order but I still think it's more likely to happen in the scenario I've put forward. | |||
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"www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in Europe.html try a link that's not 8 years out of date OK, here is one from December 2013.... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.html You realise that England isnt voting on leaving the EU? The UK is 7th highest in population density... ![]() ![]() Which ones? SNP? | |||
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"www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in Europe.html try a link that's not 8 years out of date OK, here is one from December 2013.... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530125/This-worryingly-crowded-isle-England-officially-Europes-densely-packed-country.html You realise that England isnt voting on leaving the EU? The UK is 7th highest in population density... ![]() ![]() Yes | |||
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"SNP have their own plans and I think if Scotland votes to remain in the EU but England votes out, it would be untenable to expect the Scottish to have to leave the EU. But as I have said it's a UK vote not and individual one. So all parts of the UK should have to abide by the outcome.." Remember when Better Together kept saying that Scotland would lose its proxy EU membership if we voted for independence? They're pillocks if they think we'll let them have it both ways. | |||
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"Fabio. Are you and Ladyboy-Daddy one and the same person? Answer: A - no or B - yes ![]() ![]() Let me show you how this works mate. The answer is A, no. We are not the same person. It's a shame you didn't pick up on the complexity of answering an A or B question before your credibility went out the window! | |||
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"Fabio. Are you and Ladyboy-Daddy one and the same person? Answer: A - no or B - yes ![]() ![]() ![]() Well no, in that the yes or no posed was not a question for debate but a statement for PS4H to agree or disagree with, as I demonstrated by answering his. | |||
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