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"Britain would gain more from leaving the EU than it would lose, billionaire entrepreneur Sir James Dyson has said. The inventor said the idea that Britain could not trade successfully outside the EU was "absolute cobblers". . The entrepreneur, who is worth over £3bn, also criticised the EU's free movement for not allowing the talented staff he needed to work in the UK. "We're not allowed to employ them, unless they're from the EU," he said. "At the moment, if we want to hire a foreign engineer, it takes four and a half months to go through the Home Office procedure. It's crazy" but doesnt he already employ lots of foreign people you know the ones in every other country in the world than this one he empolys to make his goods ?but dont worry they are the best of british  | |||
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"Here's the thing though..... in or out..... life won't change much for a billionaire .... "But it will that of; his employees and business think about the greater picture | |||
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"Ah yes, the " British " company that manufactures its stuff in Malaysia. And employs hardly anyone in UK anymore. Self interest, since his biggest market is in the Far East and Australasia. He has minimal business interest in UK or Europe anymore. As to the 4 months thing; (not that it actually affects him) that is utter nonsense . A work visa for UK for a non EU national takes a few days to arrange. "  | |||
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"Here's the thing though..... in or out..... life won't change much for a billionaire ....
But it will that of; his employees and business
think about the greater picture"Please enlighten me,..... tell me more of this big picture you see...... | |||
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"Ah yes, the " British " company that manufactures its stuff in Malaysia. And employs hardly anyone in UK anymore. Self interest, since his biggest market is in the Far East and Australasia. He has minimal business interest in UK or Europe anymore. As to the 4 months thing; (not that it actually affects him) that is utter nonsense . A work visa for UK for a non EU national takes a few days to arrange. " Perhaps he was forced out of the UK due to EU legislation think about it | |||
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"Ah yes, the " British " company that manufactures its stuff in Malaysia. And employs hardly anyone in UK anymore. Self interest, since his biggest market is in the Far East and Australasia. He has minimal business interest in UK or Europe anymore. As to the 4 months thing; (not that it actually affects him) that is utter nonsense . A work visa for UK for a non EU national takes a few days to arrange. Perhaps he was forced out of the UK due to EU legislation think about it" No he left because 1.he wanted cheap labour, 2. The Malaysian govt gave him big grants to build his factory 3. Closer to his component suppliers 4 His major market was aimed at the Far East /Australasia ( the other European manufacturers in his market were under cutting his prices by a country mile) 5. UK business tax. All of which in the past he has stated himself. | |||
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"Ah yes, the " British " company that manufactures its stuff in Malaysia. And employs hardly anyone in UK anymore. Self interest, since his biggest market is in the Far East and Australasia. He has minimal business interest in UK or Europe anymore. As to the 4 months thing; (not that it actually affects him) that is utter nonsense . A work visa for UK for a non EU national takes a few days to arrange. Perhaps he was forced out of the UK due to EU legislation think about it No he left because 1.he wanted cheap labour, 2. The Malaysian govt gave him big grants to build his factory 3. Closer to his component suppliers 4 His major market was aimed at the Far East /Australasia ( the other European manufacturers in his market were under cutting his prices by a country mile) 5. UK business tax. All of which in the past he has stated himself." and doesn't that make good business sense | |||
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"It's true good judgment can come from bad experience...... but I'd still be wary of taking life changing advice from a man who made 5,127 prototypes before he got it right..... Doesn't that show the strength of determination and strength of character of the man? Britain got great by this type of individual. Do you really think that steam engines, huge scientific breakthroughs and countless British inventions that have been world class were invented overnight?? This is the type of guy we need in government. " | |||
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"This from the man who moved his manufacturing base out of the UK making hundreds redundant . sure I trust his judgement ,, NOT !" never see you comment on a political thread 
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"Ah yes, the " British " company that manufactures its stuff in Malaysia. And employs hardly anyone in UK anymore. Self interest, since his biggest market is in the Far East and Australasia. He has minimal business interest in UK or Europe anymore. As to the 4 months thing; (not that it actually affects him) that is utter nonsense . A work visa for UK for a non EU national takes a few days to arrange. Perhaps he was forced out of the UK due to EU legislation think about it No he left because 1.he wanted cheap labour, 2. The Malaysian govt gave him big grants to build his factory 3. Closer to his component suppliers 4 His major market was aimed at the Far East /Australasia ( the other European manufacturers in his market were under cutting his prices by a country mile) 5. UK business tax. All of which in the past he has stated himself. and doesn't that make good business sense" If that's what works for him; but it doesn't really qualify him to pronounce on the EU, since he hadn't had much to do with the EU or UK since about 2004. | |||
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"Also, I have no problem with the idea of parting ways with the EU, buy..... surely good sense tells us that you plan the exit up front, make trade deals in advance, tailor the country's rules and laws to reflect the bits of European legislation we want to keep. It's just completely stupid to leave AND THEN try to pick up the pieces. Ultimately though I'd rather see Britain try to make Europe a better place by pushing forward and taking a more active role. Leading rather than following. Cal" If the country votes Leave on June 23rd then the uk government active article 50. That gives us a period of at least 2 years to negotiate our exit, make alternative trade deals, etc. So in effect article 50 does allow us to plan our exit upfront because it gives at least a 2 year period to negotiate exit. | |||
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"I have to say, he made a comment along the lines of "if Europe impose a 10% levy on our exports, then we would impose a 10% levy on imports from Europe... that would make us £billions" the point he missed there though is that it's the British people who would be paying 10% more on products from Europe whilst we would be selling less into Europe. Unfortunately, we import much more than we export, and most of it we haven't got the capacity to produce internally. Cal" That is precisely why the EU will want a good trade deal with us if we leave because we buy more from them than they buy from us. We are one of the EU's biggest export markets. To do a bad deal they would be cutting off their nose to spite their face. Also we don't currently have free trade with the EU, as we pay billions every year in EU membership fees to access the single market so that is a tariff of sorts. Also the EU is not the only place to buy goods from if we leave. If the EU want to cut off their nose to spite their face and give us a bad deal with high tariffs then we are free to look elsewhere in the world to import our goods from more cheaply as we will be able to do trade deals around the world with anyone not just the EU. | |||
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"But a business model that allows for failure is not a workable solution for running a country He is advocating a course of action that could ultimately cause a negative impact on the finances of millions of people who are not billionaire ...... His attitude too risk is cushioned far beyond the means of those who's lives depend on stability.... "all great things happen with involvement of risk but you are right, the poor need stability to continue their meaningless existence, get up go to work, go home, go to bed, get up go to work People who make it in life take risk and prosper | |||
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"Also, I have no problem with the idea of parting ways with the EU, buy..... surely good sense tells us that you plan the exit up front, make trade deals in advance, tailor the country's rules and laws to reflect the bits of European legislation we want to keep. It's just completely stupid to leave AND THEN try to pick up the pieces. Ultimately though I'd rather see Britain try to make Europe a better place by pushing forward and taking a more active role. Leading rather than following. Cal If the country votes Leave on June 23rd then the uk government active article 50. That gives us a period of at least 2 years to negotiate our exit, make alternative trade deals, etc. So in effect article 50 does allow us to plan our exit upfront because it gives at least a 2 year period to negotiate exit. " but whos going to be doing the negotiating the govt ? you mean the torys with a majority of just 22 who are in effect split in two do you see them being able to easily get the legislation through both houses of parliament in time oh and inst there a parliamentry election due in two years plus whatever elections may come about from the post referendum fall out not with standing the possible bye elections resulting from the election fraud investigations it aint gonna be as smooth as some people think | |||
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"But a business model that allows for failure is not a workable solution for running a country He is advocating a course of action that could ultimately cause a negative impact on the finances of millions of people who are not billionaire ...... His attitude too risk is cushioned far beyond the means of those who's lives depend on stability....
all great things happen with involvement of risk
but you are right, the poor need stability to continue their meaningless existence, get up go to work, go home, go to bed, get up go to work
People who make it in life take risk and prosper"Yeah clumsy as it is, I bet that sounded good in your head,,,, but you know what,,,, You've just devalued your own ability to gauge the bigger picture..... But thanks for sharing your view ... I'll leave you too it...  | |||
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"Britain would gain more from leaving the EU than it would lose, billionaire entrepreneur Sir James Dyson has said. The inventor said the idea that Britain could not trade successfully outside the EU was "absolute cobblers". . The entrepreneur, who is worth over £3bn, also criticised the EU's free movement for not allowing the talented staff he needed to work in the UK. "We're not allowed to employ them, unless they're from the EU," he said. "At the moment, if we want to hire a foreign engineer, it takes four and a half months to go through the Home Office procedure. It's crazybut doesnt he already employ lots of foreign people you know the ones in every other country in the world than this one he empolys to make his goods ?but dont worry they are the best of british "His new site is 3 miles from me and will employ up to 3000 people - that seems like a fairly large amount of UK jobs to me. | |||
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"If the country votes Leave on June 23rd then the uk government active article 50. That gives us a period of at least 2 years to negotiate our exit, make alternative trade deals, etc. So in effect article 50 does allow us to plan our exit upfront because it gives at least a 2 year period to negotiate exit. " But, we'd be in a much, much stronger position getting all of these things in place first. Negotiating on the basis of forward planning and progress rather than necessity would give us a far stronger stance. After that, the people would have the option to choose between two known quantifiable choices rather than a blind leap into the unknown. Cal | |||
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"Also, I have no problem with the idea of parting ways with the EU, buy..... surely good sense tells us that you plan the exit up front, make trade deals in advance, tailor the country's rules and laws to reflect the bits of European legislation we want to keep. It's just completely stupid to leave AND THEN try to pick up the pieces. Ultimately though I'd rather see Britain try to make Europe a better place by pushing forward and taking a more active role. Leading rather than following. Cal If the country votes Leave on June 23rd then the uk government active article 50. That gives us a period of at least 2 years to negotiate our exit, make alternative trade deals, etc. So in effect article 50 does allow us to plan our exit upfront because it gives at least a 2 year period to negotiate exit. but whos going to be doing the negotiating the govt ? you mean the torys with a majority of just 22 who are in effect split in two do you see them being able to easily get the legislation through both houses of parliament in time oh and inst there a parliamentry election due in two years plus whatever elections may come about from the post referendum fall out not with standing the possible bye elections resulting from the election fraud investigations it aint gonna be as smooth as some people think " David Cameron would have to appoint a Europe minister who would do our exit negotiations with the EU. My money would be on Michael Gove to do that job. | |||
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"I do find it interesting that people like the OP always lourd it over people who agree with there opinion... and yet rubbish people who don't.... so for example... they praise the likes of james dyson... who supports leave... and yet rubbish for example richard branson, who supports remain.... they praise john mann, an mp who supports leave, yet rubbish dr sarah wolleston, who defected from leave to remain...... they praise the bosses of jcb and wetherspoon.... yet rubbish the claims of the bosses of JP morgan and Citibank when they say their staff may end up goin..... like i said... its really easy to be so gun ho when it isn't potentially your job on the line..... I asked an honest question in the other thread...which was never answered... what would you say to the person who job went by your decision..... sorry? my bad? collateral damage?" Do people need to apologise to civil servants that lose their jobs down to government cuts? When they voted that government in? Pretty silly question. Should I apologise to the staff of BHS because I didn't shop there? Or woolworths? I am still churning through the detritus dug up by both sides to come to a conclusion but saying we need to apologise to people because they lost their jobs when the world changed is mildly ridiculous. | |||
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Not to mention his other issue, apparently the single market doesnt work because he needs to translate his instructions inro foreign languages foe people who speak umm foreign languages, not to mention the fact that all those jhonny foreigners with their non-British plugs and sockets.
How very dare they!! Dont they know that the entire world is supposed to change to comply with the British way of doing things
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"So he has a problem with the home office and thinks that will change by leaving the EU but still having to deal with the home office
Not to mention his other issue, apparently the single market doesnt work because he needs to translate his instructions inro foreign languages foe people who speak umm foreign languages, not to mention the fact that all those jhonny foreigners with their non-British plugs and sockets.
How very dare they!! Dont they know that the entire world is supposed to change to comply with the British way of doing things
"This! Naturally there is good and bad in Dyson's argument, and the fact he has taken his business out of the U.K. does not mean he is not allowed to express his opinion. However blaming the EU for our HoneOffice being rubbish at sorting the right to work for non EU skilled workers was just bizarre. And as for the plugs and multi language instructions complaint, again I failed to understand his argument! Sounds like he's looking for an organisation that will drive the difficult task of harmonisation of standards to create more addressable global markets..... errrrrm The other thing he went on about was how as a net importer trade tariffs would be an economic benefit to us. If he looked at the evidence of global economics over the last 75 years he'll soon find the reverse. He's a smart man so that surprised me. I was at least pleased his contribution was not mired in made up numbers (apart from maybe the 4.5 month one) that most contributions on either side have to date. | |||
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"I do find it interesting that people like the OP always lourd it over people who agree with there opinion... and yet rubbish people who don't.... so for example... they praise the likes of james dyson... who supports leave... and yet rubbish for example richard branson, who supports remain.... they praise john mann, an mp who supports leave, yet rubbish dr sarah wolleston, who defected from leave to remain...... they praise the bosses of jcb and wetherspoon.... yet rubbish the claims of the bosses of JP morgan and Citibank when they say their staff may end up goin..... like i said... its really easy to be so gun ho when it isn't potentially your job on the line..... I asked an honest question in the other thread...which was never answered... what would you say to the person who job went by your decision..... sorry? my bad? collateral damage?" Fatio your full of shit, if you look back many threads, you will find I constantly praise Richard Branson for his work and reckon he should also take over the lottery I started this thread because it is current news, and it is getting enough comments here!! Most the threads I start run their course and close with 175 postings within 2 or 3 days, some within 24 hours and whether you consider them good or bad, they do get attention. Remind me of any thread you have started?? regardless of topic, you cant help yourself but post some smart assed remark If you think you are so smart, start posting some fresh threads for us to comment on no, I thought not, just sit back and wait on someone else to think up a topic has JCB and Wetherspoon writing to their employees asking them to vote to leave!!!!! again fatio you are so full of Sh*t | |||
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"I do find it interesting that people like the OP always lourd it over people who agree with there opinion... and yet rubbish people who don't.... so for example... they praise the likes of james dyson... who supports leave... and yet rubbish for example richard branson, who supports remain.... they praise john mann, an mp who supports leave, yet rubbish dr sarah wolleston, who defected from leave to remain...... they praise the bosses of jcb and wetherspoon.... yet rubbish the claims of the bosses of JP morgan and Citibank when they say their staff may end up goin..... like i said... its really easy to be so gun ho when it isn't potentially your job on the line..... I asked an honest question in the other thread...which was never answered... what would you say to the person who job went by your decision..... sorry? my bad? collateral damage? Fatio your full of shit, if you look back many threads, you will find I constantly praise Richard Branson for his work and reckon he should also take over the lottery I started this thread because it is current news, and it is getting enough comments here!! Most the threads I start run their course and close with 175 postings within 2 or 3 days, some within 24 hours and whether you consider them good or bad, they do get attention. Remind me of any thread you have started?? regardless of topic, you cant help yourself but post some smart assed remark If you think you are so smart, start posting some fresh threads for us to comment on no, I thought not, just sit back and wait on someone else to think up a topic has JCB and Wetherspoon writing to their employees asking them to vote to leave!!!!! again fatio you are so full of Sh*t" What thoroughly unpleasant reading .... | |||
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"I do find it interesting that people like the OP always lourd it over people who agree with there opinion... and yet rubbish people who don't.... so for example... they praise the likes of james dyson... who supports leave... and yet rubbish for example richard branson, who supports remain.... they praise john mann, an mp who supports leave, yet rubbish dr sarah wolleston, who defected from leave to remain...... they praise the bosses of jcb and wetherspoon.... yet rubbish the claims of the bosses of JP morgan and Citibank when they say their staff may end up goin..... like i said... its really easy to be so gun ho when it isn't potentially your job on the line..... I asked an honest question in the other thread...which was never answered... what would you say to the person who job went by your decision..... sorry? my bad? collateral damage? Fatio your full of shit, if you look back many threads, you will find I constantly praise Richard Branson for his work and reckon he should also take over the lottery I started this thread because it is current news, and it is getting enough comments here!! Most the threads I start run their course and close with 175 postings within 2 or 3 days, some within 24 hours and whether you consider them good or bad, they do get attention. Remind me of any thread you have started?? regardless of topic, you cant help yourself but post some smart assed remark If you think you are so smart, start posting some fresh threads for us to comment on no, I thought not, just sit back and wait on someone else to think up a topic has JCB and Wetherspoon writing to their employees asking them to vote to leave!!!!! again fatio you are so full of Sh*t What thoroughly unpleasant reading .... " better than watching a soap, you can join in. | |||
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"I do find it interesting that people like the OP always lourd it over people who agree with there opinion... and yet rubbish people who don't.... so for example... they praise the likes of james dyson... who supports leave... and yet rubbish for example richard branson, who supports remain.... they praise john mann, an mp who supports leave, yet rubbish dr sarah wolleston, who defected from leave to remain...... they praise the bosses of jcb and wetherspoon.... yet rubbish the claims of the bosses of JP morgan and Citibank when they say their staff may end up goin..... like i said... its really easy to be so gun ho when it isn't potentially your job on the line..... I asked an honest question in the other thread...which was never answered... what would you say to the person who job went by your decision..... sorry? my bad? collateral damage? Fatio your full of shit, if you look back many threads, you will find I constantly praise Richard Branson for his work and reckon he should also take over the lottery I started this thread because it is current news, and it is getting enough comments here!! Most the threads I start run their course and close with 175 postings within 2 or 3 days, some within 24 hours and whether you consider them good or bad, they do get attention. Remind me of any thread you have started?? regardless of topic, you cant help yourself but post some smart assed remark If you think you are so smart, start posting some fresh threads for us to comment on no, I thought not, just sit back and wait on someone else to think up a topic has JCB and Wetherspoon writing to their employees asking them to vote to leave!!!!! again fatio you are so full of Sh*t What thoroughly unpleasant reading .... better than watching a soap, you can join in." haha yes I imagine infinitely better than watching the soaps..... It's just my attention wains when I see an interesting debate devalued by anyone resorting to personal insults against another contributor..... It smacks of a distinct lack of confidence in their own ability to offer salient points and suggests they have may have become frustrated at their own inability to defend their opinions ..... Not the sort of thing that keeps me interested .... I mean lets face it, as far as cringe vale goes it is entertaining but in reality there is little to learn from it....  | |||
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"Here's the thing though..... in or out..... life won't change much for a billionaire .... "Or, in reality, any of us for that matter. Like the IndyRef I don't give two fucks what a businessman says on the matter either way. He has one vote, like the rest of us. B | |||
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"Interesting. He seems to talk sense too, compared to others who seem intent on discrediting others or having a political agenda. Some of the IN arguments are embarrassing. Both are conducting themselves poorly. " an out vote wont change how long it takes dyson to employ an immigrant from outside the EU cant see the sense in his out point of view dyson already trade worldwide ...... | |||
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" Perhaps he was forced out of the UK due to EU legislation think about it" This answer is closer than you think, and is the reason he wants out: EU legislation aiming to cut carbon emissions will limit the maximum power rating of vacuum cleaners. His latest models will then no longer be as effective as the competition and he is therefore worried that he will lose market share. Another one ultimately just thinking of himself. I suggest we do the same. Consider what is in our own best interests, and those of our children. (won't somebody think of the children?  )
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" Perhaps he was forced out of the UK due to EU legislation think about it This answer is closer than you think, and is the reason he wants out: EU legislation aiming to cut carbon emissions will limit the maximum power rating of vacuum cleaners. His latest models will then no longer be as effective as the competition and he is therefore worried that he will lose market share. Another one ultimately just thinking of himself. I suggest we do the same. Consider what is in our own best interests, and those of our children. (won't somebody think of the children? )
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" Perhaps he was forced out of the UK due to EU legislation think about it This answer is closer than you think, and is the reason he wants out: EU legislation aiming to cut carbon emissions will limit the maximum power rating of vacuum cleaners. His latest models will then no longer be as effective as the competition and he is therefore worried that he will lose market share. Another one ultimately just thinking of himself. I suggest we do the same. Consider what is in our own best interests, and those of our children. (won't somebody think of the children? )
Mr ddc "Yeah let's impose restrictions on vacuum cleaners to save the planet, meanwhile over in China they are building 4 new coal powered power stations a week.
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"Why do we need a new thread for every Tom, Dick and Harry that thinks we should leave the EU? The squeakiest wheels are clearly looking for some grease." As long as people are posting within the forum rules then why is it a problem? | |||
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"Why do we need a new thread for every Tom, Dick and Harry that thinks we should leave the EU? The squeakiest wheels are clearly looking for some grease. As long as people are posting within the forum rules then why is it a problem? " I don't believe I said it was a problem. | |||
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"Why do we need a new thread for every Tom, Dick and Harry that thinks we should leave the EU? The squeakiest wheels are clearly looking for some grease. As long as people are posting within the forum rules then why is it a problem? I don't believe I said it was a problem." I think it's spamming, either if they're in or out. It can be all kept within one thread. We don't have separate threads for each minute of football games. | |||
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"Why do we need a new thread for every Tom, Dick and Harry that thinks we should leave the EU? The squeakiest wheels are clearly looking for some grease. As long as people are posting within the forum rules then why is it a problem? I don't believe I said it was a problem. I think it's spamming, either if they're in or out. It can be all kept within one thread. We don't have separate threads for each minute of football games. " I would fucking love for it all to be kept in one thread. | |||
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"This from the man who moved his manufacturing base out of the UK making hundreds redundant . sure I trust his judgement ,, NOT !" and just for that i,'d vote to stay in | |||
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" Mr ddc Yeah let's impose restrictions on vacuum cleaners to save the planet, meanwhile over in China they are building 4 new coal powered power stations a week.
Plus Gisela Stuart and Andrea Leadsom said they are thinking about the future of their children in the itv referendum debate last Thursday and that is why they are campaigning for and voting Leave on June 23rd. "Where did you read the China bit? I thought they were fast becoming market leaders in renewable energy and had capped their fossil fuel consumption. Are you sure any new coal plants aren't simply more efficient ones built to replace older, more inefficient ones? PS the bit about the children wasn't meant to be serious, just a Rev Lovejoy moment | |||
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"Why do we need a new thread for every Tom, Dick and Harry that thinks we should leave the EU? The squeakiest wheels are clearly looking for some grease. As long as people are posting within the forum rules then why is it a problem? I don't believe I said it was a problem." No but it appears you were having a moan about it. If you think it's ok then why mention it in the first place? | |||
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"Why do we need a new thread for every Tom, Dick and Harry that thinks we should leave the EU? The squeakiest wheels are clearly looking for some grease. As long as people are posting within the forum rules then why is it a problem? I don't believe I said it was a problem. I think it's spamming, either if they're in or out. It can be all kept within one thread. We don't have separate threads for each minute of football games. I would fucking love for it all to be kept in one thread. "Good job you are not a mod then. | |||
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"Why do we need a new thread for every Tom, Dick and Harry that thinks we should leave the EU? The squeakiest wheels are clearly looking for some grease. As long as people are posting within the forum rules then why is it a problem? I don't believe I said it was a problem. No but it appears you were having a moan about it. If you think it's ok then why mention it in the first place? " I didn't say I think it's OK either. I just pointed it out and asked a question. Do you want to answer it? | |||
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" Mr ddc Yeah let's impose restrictions on vacuum cleaners to save the planet, meanwhile over in China they are building 4 new coal powered power stations a week.
Plus Gisela Stuart and Andrea Leadsom said they are thinking about the future of their children in the itv referendum debate last Thursday and that is why they are campaigning for and voting Leave on June 23rd.
Where did you read the China bit? I thought they were fast becoming market leaders in renewable energy and had capped their fossil fuel consumption. Are you sure any new coal plants aren't simply more efficient ones built to replace older, more inefficient ones?
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"Here you go, this is some of the FTSE ones that wanna remain: Nicholas Judd, Founder and head of investment, 90 North Real Estate Partners LLP Matt McLaren, Executive director, Access Ambition Consultancy Services Ltd Tony Fernandes, Group chief executive, Air Asia and Founder, Tune Group Paul Kahn, President, Airbus Group UK Jacqueline Gold CBE, Chief executive, Ann Summers Greg Hodkinson, Chairman, Arup Andy Clarke, Chief Executive, Asda Pascal Soriot, Chief executive, AstraZeneca Sir Adrian Montague CBE, Chairman, Aviva aul Evans, Group chief executive, AXA UK & Ireland Peter Rogers, Chief executive, Babcock International Group Sir Roger Carr, Chairman, BAE Systems Saghir Munir, Partner/director, Baker & Coleman Solicitors Richard John Carter, Managing director, BASF Ian Baxter, Chairman, Baxter Freight Limited Una Driscoll, Managing director, Belt up Kidz Andrew Mackenzie, Chief executive, BHP Billiton Helen Gibbons, Director, Bizlang Dr Ian Robertson Board, member, BMW AG Helena Boas, Co-founder, Bodas Bob Dudley, Chief executive, BP Chris Grigg, Chief executive, British Land Sir Alan Parker, Chairman, Brunswick Group Sir Mike Rake, Chairman, BT Group Gavin Patterson, Chief executive, BT Group Christopher Bailey MBE, Chief executive, Burberry Group Sir John Peace, Chairman, Burberry Group George Iacobescu CBE, Chairman and chief executive, Canary Wharf Group Philip Green, Chairman, Carillion Alex Mitchell, Director, Causarma AIain C. Conn, Chief executive, Centrica, Utilities Sarah Golding, Chief executive and partner, CHI & Partners Christopher Satterthwaite, Chief executive, Chime Communications Group Laurent Lacassagne, Chairman and chief executive, Chivas Brothers Phil Smith, Chief executive, UK and Ireland, Cisco Sonny Leong, Chief executive, Civil Service College Stephen Clarke, Partner/director, CJCH Paul Walsh, Chairman, Compass Group Ian Breminer, Managing director, Complete Coffee Professor Geeta Nargund, Founder and chief executive, CREATE Health Tidjane Thiam, Chief executive, Credit Suisse Kathryn Parsons, Co-founder and chief executive, Decoded Cathy Owens, Director, Deryn Consulting Ivan Menezes, Chief executive, Diageo Peter Callahan, Director, Diamond Dispersions Seb James, Chief executive, Dixons Carphone Martha Lane Fox CBE, Co-founder, Doteveryone and Lastminute.com Tim Gentles, Chief executive, Drill Board Worldwid Dame Carolyn McCall, Chief executive; EasyJet Lindsley Ruth, Chief executive, Electrocomponents Liz Weatherill, Managing director, Enable2 C.I.C Amjad Bseisu, Chief executive, Enquest Damien Croft, Director, Esplora Charlie Shaw, Managing director, Esteiro Business Solutions Adam Shuter, Managing director, Exact Logistics Roland Rudd, Chairman; FinsburyMedia James Farley, Executive vice president and president, Europe, Ford Automotive Nacho Morais, Director, Frank Consulting Michael Keegan, Executive director, EMEIA, Fujitsu Stewart Wingate, Chief executive, Gatwick Airport Mark Elborne, UK chief executive, General Electric Nigel Stein, Chief executive, GKN Hazel Pegg, Director, Glastonbury Online Richard Gnodde, Co-chief executive, Goldman Sachs International Michael Sherwood, Co-chief executive, Goldman Sachs International Tom Gosnell, Managing director, Gosnells Beverages Rooney Anand, Chief executive, Greene King Juliette Polge de Combret, Director, Green Rendez-Vous Sir Andrew Witty, Chief executive, GSK Jenny Halpern, Prince Chief executive, Halpern David Atkins, Chief Executive, Hammerson John Holland-Kaye, Chief executive, Heathrow Allen Hogan, Managing director, Hogan's Cider Ashley Govier, Managing director, Hotel services Group Douglas Flint CBE, Chairman, HSBC Stuart Gulliver, Chief executive, HSBC Mark Hutchinson, Managing director, Hutchinson Aerotech Christian Salbaing, Deputy chairman, Hutchison Whampoa Julian Smith, Director, I Am Enterprises Ltd David Stokes, CEO, IBM Dan Hydes, Managing director, Ignite Data Ltd Research Rupert Pearce CEO, Inmarsat Tech Ralf Speth KBE, CEO, Jaguar Land Rover Mahmood Faiz, Director, James William Estate Agents Jane Field, Owner/Founder, Jonny's Sister Katharine Pooley, Chief executive and owner, Katharine Pooley Interior design Kelly Hoppen MBE, Director, Kelly Hoppen Interiors Martin Dare-Edwards, Chief executive officer, Ketonex Ltd Veronique Laury CEO, Kingfisher Neil Clifford, Chief executive, Kurt Geiger Ian Walker, Director, Laundry Republic Ltd Sir Julian Horn-Smith Advisory Board Member, Letter One Technology Patrick O'Sullivan Chairman of ERS Ltd, Lloyd's of London John Nelson Chairman, Lloyd's of London Christopher Parker Managing director, London and Scottish International Ltd Xavier Rolet KBE CEO, London Stock Exchange Debbie Wosskow, Chief executive officer, Love Home Swap Ltd Tim Allen, Managing Director, M J Allen Group Ltd Jess Burley ,Global CEO, M/ Six Mark Reynolds, Chief Executive, Mace Group Infrastructure Charlie Cornish, Chief Executive, Manchester Airports Group; Martin Lamb, Director, Maple Consulting Ltd Christopher Peer Managing Director, Maritime House Limited Marc Bolland* CEO, Marks and Spencer Rick Haythornthwaite, Chairman, Mastercard Ron Dennis CBE, CEO and Chairman, McLaren Technology Group Clare Hornby, Founder and Creative Director, ME+EM Karen Blackett OBE, Chairwoman, MediaCom Sir Nigel Rudd, Chairman, Meggitt Engineering Doug Dooley, Managing Director, MICC & TRM Ltd Byron Dixon, Chief Executive Officer, Micro-Fresh International Kanya King MBE, CEO and Founder, MOBO Organisations Ltd Rana Harvey, Managing Director, Monster Group (UK) Ltd Fraser Smeaton, Chief Executive, Morphsuits Alan Parker CBE, Chairman, Mothercare Dean Finch, CEO, National Express Group Steve Holliday, CEO, National Grid Utilities Mary Nelson, Director, Nelson Browne Management Ltd Sam Laidlaw, Chairman, Neptune Oil and Gas Miisa Mink, Chairperson, Nordic Bakery Limited Andrew Mitchell, Chief Executive, North East Finance Ltd Geeta Sidhu-Robb, CEO and Founder, Nosh Detox Stuart Rose, Chairman, Ocado Group Tim Steiner, CEO, Ocado Group Christina Richardson,CMO, Openr Charlie Thuillier, Managing Director, Oppo Brothers Limited Pia Marocco, Managing Director, Osborne & Partners Luke Brynley-Jones, Managing Director, Our Social Times Ltd Paul Simpson, Director, Paul Simpson Ltd John Fallon, CEO, Pearson Publishing Ayman Asfari, CEO, Petrofac Graham Spencer, Executive Director, Plants for Europe Ltd Scott Rowland, Chief Executive Officer, Precept (UK) Ltd Mike Wells, Group Chief Executive, Prudential plc Steve Wadey, CEO QinetiQ Mary Quicke, Managing Director, Quickes Traditional Ltd Raman Sehgal, Director, Ramarketing & PR Ltd Gail Rebuck DBE, Chairman, Random House UK Graham Chipchase, Chief Executive, Rexam Sir Peter Rigby, CEO & Chairman, Rigby Group PLC Jan du Plessis, Chairman, Rio Tinto Group Warren East CBE, CEO, Rolls Royce Ben Van Beurden CEO, Royal Dutch Shell Stephen Hester CEO, RSA Insurance Financial Services Michael O'Leary, Chief Executive, Ryanair Alan Clark, CEO, SABMiller Alison Edgar, Managing Director, Sales Coaching Solutions Ltd Shriti Vadera, Chair, Santander UK Nathan Bostock, CEO, Santander UK Caroline Cole, Director, Savoir Faire Accounting Ltd Tori Chilcott Co-Founder, ScootaTravel Rupert Soames OBE, CEO, SERCO Infrastructure Juergen Maier, UK CEO, Siemens Manufacturing Mark Lyndon, Director, Signature Marketing Limited Simon Barrow, Director, Simon Barrow Associates Melanie Goldsmith, Director, Smith & Sinclair Ltd Jonathan Grubin, Chief Executive Officer,SoPost Ltd Doug Squires, Director, Squires Gear and Engineering Limited Bill Winters, CEO, Standard Chartered Ian Barnett, Director, Surfanic International Ltd Dido Harding, Chief Executive, TalkTalk Dr Heather McGregor CBE, CEO, Taylor Bennett Ronan Dunne, Chief Executive, Telefonica O2 UK Sara Bell CEO, Tempus Energy Billy Walker, Managing Director, The Benriach Distillery Company Ltd Daniel Williams, Managing Director, The Bottle Shop (Penarth) Ltd Jay Risbridger, Director, The Green Stationery Company Ltd Sally Greene OBE, Chief Executive, The Old Vic Margo Marrone, Co-Founder,The Organic Pharmacy Rory Curnock Cook, Director, The Profs Tuition Ltd Lady Ruth Rogers MBE, Owner, The River Café Niamh Barker, Managing Director, The Travelwrap Company Ltd, John Harries, Proprietor, Three Horseshoes Inn Stephen Weil, Managing DirectorTI Partners Lloyd Dorfman, President, Travelex Bernardo Ivo Cruz, Global Managing Partner, True Bridge Consultancy Peter Long, Supervisory Board Member & former Chief Executive, TUI Travel Olivier Dochez, Chief Executive Officer, Two Guys From Brussels Rakesh Sharma, Chief Executive, Ultra Electronics Holdings Paul Polman, CEO, Unilever Lucian Grainge CBE, Chairman and CEO, Universal Music Group Luis Arriaga, Managing Director, UPS UK Ltd Kate Unsworth, Founder and CEO,Vinaya Peter Berry, Managing Partner, VIP Labels Tom Mockridge, Chief Executive, Virgin Media Jayne-Anne Gadhia, CEO, Virgin Money Ian Taylor, CEO and President, Vitol Energy Vittorio Colao, CEO Vodafone Sir Peter Kendall, Director, W J Kendall Contracting Limited Stefano Pessina, Executive Vice Chairman and CEO, Walgreens Boots Alliance Kasim Ali, Director, Waterloo Tea Limited Keith Cochrane, Chief Executive, Weir Group,Engineering Sir Terence Matthews, Chairman,Wesley Clover Karren Brady, Vice-Chairman, West Ham FC Sir Martin Sorrell, CEO, WPP; 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Conn, Chief executive, Centrica, Utilities Sarah Golding, Chief executive and partner, CHI & Partners Christopher Satterthwaite, Chief executive, Chime Communications Group Laurent Lacassagne, Chairman and chief executive, Chivas Brothers Phil Smith, Chief executive, UK and Ireland, Cisco Sonny Leong, Chief executive, Civil Service College Stephen Clarke, Partner/director, CJCH Paul Walsh, Chairman, Compass Group Ian Breminer, Managing director, Complete Coffee Professor Geeta Nargund, Founder and chief executive, CREATE Health Tidjane Thiam, Chief executive, Credit Suisse Kathryn Parsons, Co-founder and chief executive, Decoded Cathy Owens, Director, Deryn Consulting Ivan Menezes, Chief executive, Diageo Peter Callahan, Director, Diamond Dispersions Seb James, Chief executive, Dixons Carphone Martha Lane Fox CBE, Co-founder, Doteveryone and Lastminute.com Tim Gentles, Chief executive, Drill Board Worldwid Dame Carolyn McCall, Chief executive; EasyJet Lindsley Ruth, Chief executive, Electrocomponents Liz Weatherill, Managing director, Enable2 C.I.C Amjad Bseisu, Chief executive, Enquest Damien Croft, Director, Esplora Charlie Shaw, Managing director, Esteiro Business Solutions Adam Shuter, Managing director, Exact Logistics Roland Rudd, Chairman; FinsburyMedia James Farley, Executive vice president and president, Europe, Ford Automotive Nacho Morais, Director, Frank Consulting Michael Keegan, Executive director, EMEIA, Fujitsu Stewart Wingate, Chief executive, Gatwick Airport Mark Elborne, UK chief executive, General Electric Nigel Stein, Chief executive, GKN Hazel Pegg, Director, Glastonbury Online Richard Gnodde, Co-chief executive, Goldman Sachs International Michael Sherwood, Co-chief executive, Goldman Sachs International Tom Gosnell, Managing director, Gosnells Beverages Rooney Anand, Chief executive, Greene King Juliette Polge de Combret, Director, Green Rendez-Vous Sir Andrew Witty, Chief executive, GSK Jenny Halpern, Prince Chief executive, Halpern David Atkins, Chief Executive, Hammerson John Holland-Kaye, Chief executive, Heathrow Allen Hogan, Managing director, Hogan's Cider Ashley Govier, Managing director, Hotel services Group Douglas Flint CBE, Chairman, HSBC Stuart Gulliver, Chief executive, HSBC Mark Hutchinson, Managing director, Hutchinson Aerotech Christian Salbaing, Deputy chairman, Hutchison Whampoa Julian Smith, Director, I Am Enterprises Ltd David Stokes, CEO, IBM Dan Hydes, Managing director, Ignite Data Ltd Research Rupert Pearce CEO, Inmarsat Tech Ralf Speth KBE, CEO, Jaguar Land Rover Mahmood Faiz, Director, James William Estate Agents Jane Field, Owner/Founder, Jonny's Sister Katharine Pooley, Chief executive and owner, Katharine Pooley Interior design Kelly Hoppen MBE, Director, Kelly Hoppen Interiors Martin Dare-Edwards, Chief executive officer, Ketonex Ltd Veronique Laury CEO, Kingfisher Neil Clifford, Chief executive, Kurt Geiger Ian Walker, Director, Laundry Republic Ltd Sir Julian Horn-Smith Advisory Board Member, Letter One Technology Patrick O'Sullivan Chairman of ERS Ltd, Lloyd's of London John Nelson Chairman, Lloyd's of London Christopher Parker Managing director, London and Scottish International Ltd Xavier Rolet KBE CEO, London Stock Exchange Debbie Wosskow, Chief executive officer, Love Home Swap Ltd Tim Allen, Managing Director, M J Allen Group Ltd Jess Burley ,Global CEO, M/ Six Mark Reynolds, Chief Executive, Mace Group Infrastructure Charlie Cornish, Chief Executive, Manchester Airports Group; Martin Lamb, Director, Maple Consulting Ltd Christopher Peer Managing Director, Maritime House Limited Marc Bolland* CEO, Marks and Spencer Rick Haythornthwaite, Chairman, Mastercard Ron Dennis CBE, CEO and Chairman, McLaren Technology Group Clare Hornby, Founder and Creative Director, ME+EM Karen Blackett OBE, Chairwoman, MediaCom Sir Nigel Rudd, Chairman, Meggitt Engineering Doug Dooley, Managing Director, MICC & TRM Ltd Byron Dixon, Chief Executive Officer, Micro-Fresh International Kanya King MBE, CEO and Founder, MOBO Organisations Ltd Rana Harvey, Managing Director, Monster Group (UK) Ltd Fraser Smeaton, Chief Executive, Morphsuits Alan Parker CBE, Chairman, Mothercare Dean Finch, CEO, National Express Group Steve Holliday, CEO, National Grid Utilities Mary Nelson, Director, Nelson Browne Management Ltd Sam Laidlaw, Chairman, Neptune Oil and Gas Miisa Mink, Chairperson, Nordic Bakery Limited Andrew Mitchell, Chief Executive, North East Finance Ltd Geeta Sidhu-Robb, CEO and Founder, Nosh Detox Stuart Rose, Chairman, Ocado Group Tim Steiner, CEO, Ocado Group Christina Richardson,CMO, Openr Charlie Thuillier, Managing Director, Oppo Brothers Limited Pia Marocco, Managing Director, Osborne & Partners Luke Brynley-Jones, Managing Director, Our Social Times Ltd Paul Simpson, Director, Paul Simpson Ltd John Fallon, CEO, Pearson Publishing Ayman Asfari, CEO, Petrofac Graham Spencer, Executive Director, Plants for Europe Ltd Scott Rowland, Chief Executive Officer, Precept (UK) Ltd Mike Wells, Group Chief Executive, Prudential plc Steve Wadey, CEO QinetiQ Mary Quicke, Managing Director, Quickes Traditional Ltd Raman Sehgal, Director, Ramarketing & PR Ltd Gail Rebuck DBE, Chairman, Random House UK Graham Chipchase, Chief Executive, Rexam Sir Peter Rigby, CEO & Chairman, Rigby Group PLC Jan du Plessis, Chairman, Rio Tinto Group Warren East CBE, CEO, Rolls Royce Ben Van Beurden CEO, Royal Dutch Shell Stephen Hester CEO, RSA Insurance Financial Services Michael O'Leary, Chief Executive, Ryanair Alan Clark, CEO, SABMiller Alison Edgar, Managing Director, Sales Coaching Solutions Ltd Shriti Vadera, Chair, Santander UK Nathan Bostock, CEO, Santander UK Caroline Cole, Director, Savoir Faire Accounting Ltd Tori Chilcott Co-Founder, ScootaTravel Rupert Soames OBE, CEO, SERCO Infrastructure Juergen Maier, UK CEO, Siemens Manufacturing Mark Lyndon, Director, Signature Marketing Limited Simon Barrow, Director, Simon Barrow Associates Melanie Goldsmith, Director, Smith & Sinclair Ltd Jonathan Grubin, Chief Executive Officer,SoPost Ltd Doug Squires, Director, Squires Gear and Engineering Limited Bill Winters, CEO, Standard Chartered Ian Barnett, Director, Surfanic International Ltd Dido Harding, Chief Executive, TalkTalk Dr Heather McGregor CBE, CEO, Taylor Bennett Ronan Dunne, Chief Executive, Telefonica O2 UK Sara Bell CEO, Tempus Energy Billy Walker, Managing Director, The Benriach Distillery Company Ltd Daniel Williams, Managing Director, The Bottle Shop (Penarth) Ltd Jay Risbridger, Director, The Green Stationery Company Ltd Sally Greene OBE, Chief Executive, The Old Vic Margo Marrone, Co-Founder,The Organic Pharmacy Rory Curnock Cook, Director, The Profs Tuition Ltd Lady Ruth Rogers MBE, Owner, The River Café Niamh Barker, Managing Director, The Travelwrap Company Ltd, John Harries, Proprietor, Three Horseshoes Inn Stephen Weil, Managing DirectorTI Partners Lloyd Dorfman, President, Travelex Bernardo Ivo Cruz, Global Managing Partner, True Bridge Consultancy Peter Long, Supervisory Board Member & former Chief Executive, TUI Travel Olivier Dochez, Chief Executive Officer, Two Guys From Brussels Rakesh Sharma, Chief Executive, Ultra Electronics Holdings Paul Polman, CEO, Unilever Lucian Grainge CBE, Chairman and CEO, Universal Music Group Luis Arriaga, Managing Director, UPS UK Ltd Kate Unsworth, Founder and CEO,Vinaya Peter Berry, Managing Partner, VIP Labels Tom Mockridge, Chief Executive, Virgin Media Jayne-Anne Gadhia, CEO, Virgin Money Ian Taylor, CEO and President, Vitol Energy Vittorio Colao, CEO Vodafone Sir Peter Kendall, Director, W J Kendall Contracting Limited Stefano Pessina, Executive Vice Chairman and CEO, Walgreens Boots Alliance Kasim Ali, Director, Waterloo Tea Limited Keith Cochrane, Chief Executive, Weir Group,Engineering Sir Terence Matthews, Chairman,Wesley Clover Karren Brady, Vice-Chairman, West Ham FC Sir Martin Sorrell, CEO, WPP; 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" That's the trouble with the remain campaign, nothing they say is serious. "
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: " We wouldnhave to enter negotiations with the EU and all 26 remaining states would have to unanimously agree to the deal. Now a country like poland or romania is going to have freedom of movement as its number one negotiating priority and could perfectly happily say "no" to every single deal that doesn't include it and as such forever block any trade negotiation between the eu and the uk. Doesn't matter how much france or spain want your tourist pounds | |||
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" what would you say to the person who job went by your decision..... sorry? my bad? collateral damage?" You've hit the nail on the head  | |||
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"It's true good judgment can come from bad experience...... but I'd still be wary of taking life changing advice from a man who made 5,127 prototypes before he got it right..... "He isn't doing so bad now though is he? | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided. "may i ask where you plan to "deport the fuckers "to there home country they dont have documents so we dont know where that isd if they do have documents and theres a chance they could be killed or turtured the under international law again we cant now your probley thinking we can deport them back accross the channel arent you well we wont be in there club any more so they can and will say nope not our problem fuck off | |||
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"That's 198 business people - including 36 FTSE 100 bosses. Would it not be spamming to start a new thread for each individual? Or within rules? Cos it's fucking mental if it's within rules" Rather than post and copy them all like you did, Here is a link to 200 small businesses and entrepreneurs who support Brexit. It is small business and entrepreneurs who make up the majority of employment in this country. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12181306/EU-referendum-200-small-firm-bosses-and-entrepreneurs-tell-Britons-to-vote-for-Brexit.html | |||
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"Britain would gain more from leaving the EU than it would lose, billionaire entrepreneur Sir James Dyson has said. The inventor said the idea that Britain could not trade successfully outside the EU was "absolute cobblers". . The entrepreneur, who is worth over £3bn, also criticised the EU's free movement for not allowing the talented staff he needed to work in the UK. "We're not allowed to employ them, unless they're from the EU," he said. "At the moment, if we want to hire a foreign engineer, it takes four and a half months to go through the Home Office procedure. It's crazy" This is the same guy who moved his company overseas as he could get cheaper labour...and the shit gets knighted lol | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions. "I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn. Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland? | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland? "Air. | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland?
Air. "Didnt think we did a massive amount of air trade with china. Woulsnt have thought they made anything worth the fuel cost lol | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland?
Air.
Didnt think we did a massive amount of air trade with china.
Woulsnt have thought they made anything worth the fuel cost lol"A significant amount of cargo is moved by air, although Switzerland isn't a member of the EU, they have been given trade deals and requested membership in the 90s I think. I sincerely doubt we'll be given those same deals immediately upon exiting. | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland?
Air.
Didnt think we did a massive amount of air trade with china.
Woulsnt have thought they made anything worth the fuel cost lol
A significant amount of cargo is moved by air, although Switzerland isn't a member of the EU, they have been given trade deals and requested membership in the 90s I think. I sincerely doubt we'll be given those same deals immediately upon exiting. "We already have the same deal. Its the EEA which we are a member of already which is seperate from our EU membership. By default unless we leave the EEA during the negotiations we will remain a EEA member state | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland?
Air.
Didnt think we did a massive amount of air trade with china.
Woulsnt have thought they made anything worth the fuel cost lol
A significant amount of cargo is moved by air, although Switzerland isn't a member of the EU, they have been given trade deals and requested membership in the 90s I think. I sincerely doubt we'll be given those same deals immediately upon exiting.
We already have the same deal.
Its the EEA which we are a member of already which is seperate from our EU membership.
By default unless we leave the EEA during the negotiations we will remain a EEA member state"We don't have the same deal, there's significantly more benefits given to Switzerland which would be lost upon exiting. | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided. may i ask where you plan to "deport the fuckers "to there home country they dont have documents so we dont know where that isd if they do have documents and theres a chance they could be killed or turtured the under international law again we cant now your probley thinking we can deport them back accross the channel arent you well we wont be in there club any more so they can and will say nope not our problem fuck off "Seeing as you mention international law, both the UN and Amnesty International said the EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis could be against international law, but the EU went ahead with it anyway. Why were the Remainers not up in arms about that? | |||
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"There's something in it for him, but that may not be the case for the average person.....he said as much in describing his hiring issue L" That's because he employs people, with skills, on decent wages. Companies who employ people on part time, zero hours, minimum wage contracts would rather be in. Why? Because they can use foreign agencies to target EU workers rather than UK, who then, because of the low wages come over here and claim (David Cameron's figures not mine) £10k pa in benefits (working/child tax credits etc). Also use the NHS, take up school places etc.....but in the next breath are claimed to make a "net contribution". My next door neighbours (actually a lovely Maltese/Romanian couple with one child) fit that criteria exactly. His temporary contract has just been terminated. I'll miss them when they go home but even they have said the system is wrong.....to the point that he said if they could vote...they would vote out as this practice is making a mess of their own countries too! | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland?
Air.
Didnt think we did a massive amount of air trade with china.
Woulsnt have thought they made anything worth the fuel cost lol
A significant amount of cargo is moved by air, although Switzerland isn't a member of the EU, they have been given trade deals and requested membership in the 90s I think. I sincerely doubt we'll be given those same deals immediately upon exiting.
We already have the same deal.
Its the EEA which we are a member of already which is seperate from our EU membership.
By default unless we leave the EEA during the negotiations we will remain a EEA member state
We don't have the same deal, there's significantly more benefits given to Switzerland which would be lost upon exiting. "Switzerland is part of EFTA which is why they get better deals. We aren't. | |||
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"of course we are better off without the eu, the whole of eu would be better off if they didnt control anything, only the euro currency, the rest should be down to each country to decide what happens in the country and who they are trading with. " That is the whole problem with the EU though, the EU elite in Brussels have ideas above their station. The EU elite in Brussels want to create a European superstate called the United states of Europe with a centralised government in Brussels that controls everything. It is an unelected commission who currently controls it who the European people cannot remove. It won't reform. This is our 1 and only chance to get out of it. | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland?
Air.
Didnt think we did a massive amount of air trade with china.
Woulsnt have thought they made anything worth the fuel cost lol
A significant amount of cargo is moved by air, although Switzerland isn't a member of the EU, they have been given trade deals and requested membership in the 90s I think. I sincerely doubt we'll be given those same deals immediately upon exiting.
We already have the same deal.
Its the EEA which we are a member of already which is seperate from our EU membership.
By default unless we leave the EEA during the negotiations we will remain a EEA member state
We don't have the same deal, there's significantly more benefits given to Switzerland which would be lost upon exiting.
Switzerland is part of EFTA which is why they get better deals. We aren't. "#pedantic again: We are part of the EEA by virtue of being an EU member. If we leave the EU we automatically cease to be part of the EEA, and would have to negotiate to rejoin it ( which may be a formality)- though it must be at the least, agreed in parliament. We ceased to be members of EFTA on joining the EU, and thus, would need to rejoin it ( if we wished) | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland?
Air.
Didnt think we did a massive amount of air trade with china.
Woulsnt have thought they made anything worth the fuel cost lol
A significant amount of cargo is moved by air, although Switzerland isn't a member of the EU, they have been given trade deals and requested membership in the 90s I think. I sincerely doubt we'll be given those same deals immediately upon exiting.
We already have the same deal.
Its the EEA which we are a member of already which is seperate from our EU membership.
By default unless we leave the EEA during the negotiations we will remain a EEA member state
We don't have the same deal, there's significantly more benefits given to Switzerland which would be lost upon exiting.
Switzerland is part of EFTA which is why they get better deals. We aren't.
#pedantic again:
We are part of the EEA by virtue of being an EU member.
If we leave the EU we automatically cease to be part of the EEA, and would have to negotiate to rejoin it ( which may be a formality)- though it must be at the least, agreed in parliament.
We ceased to be members of EFTA on joining the EU, and thus, would need to rejoin it ( if we wished)
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"This from the man who moved his manufacturing base out of the UK making hundreds redundant . sure I trust his judgement ,, NOT !" | |||
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"Britain would gain more from leaving the EU than it would lose, billionaire entrepreneur Sir James Dyson has said. The inventor said the idea that Britain could not trade successfully outside the EU was "absolute cobblers". . The entrepreneur, who is worth over £3bn, also criticised the EU's free movement for not allowing the talented staff he needed to work in the UK. "We're not allowed to employ them, unless they're from the EU," he said. "At the moment, if we want to hire a foreign engineer, it takes four and a half months to go through the Home Office procedure. It's crazy" What drivel - Lord sugar made much more powerful points for Remain. Lord Sugar knows what was like pre EU - when it was impossible to sell our goods in the EU. Vote remain! | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland?
Air.
Didnt think we did a massive amount of air trade with china.
Woulsnt have thought they made anything worth the fuel cost lol
A significant amount of cargo is moved by air, although Switzerland isn't a member of the EU, they have been given trade deals and requested membership in the 90s I think. I sincerely doubt we'll be given those same deals immediately upon exiting.
We already have the same deal.
Its the EEA which we are a member of already which is seperate from our EU membership.
By default unless we leave the EEA during the negotiations we will remain a EEA member state
We don't have the same deal, there's significantly more benefits given to Switzerland which would be lost upon exiting.
Switzerland is part of EFTA which is why they get better deals. We aren't.
#pedantic again:
We are part of the EEA by virtue of being an EU member.
If we leave the EU we automatically cease to be part of the EEA, and would have to negotiate to rejoin it ( which may be a formality)- though it must be at the least, agreed in parliament.
We ceased to be members of EFTA on joining the EU, and thus, would need to rejoin it ( if we wished)
Stop talking to me if you're gonna use hashtags to get your point across. "I shall use them wherever I wish thank you. | |||
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"of course we are better off without the eu, the whole of eu would be better off if they didnt control anything, only the euro currency, the rest should be down to each country to decide what happens in the country and who they are trading with. That is the whole problem with the EU though, the EU elite in Brussels have ideas above their station. The EU elite in Brussels want to create a European superstate called the United states of Europe with a centralised government in Brussels that controls everything. It is an unelected commission who currently controls it who the European people cannot remove. It won't reform. This is our 1 and only chance to get out of it. " What drivel - If we vote out - then Scotland will leave. Remember who will get a better trade deal - with the Chinese - the EU or the UK. Ask Trump - he is going to slap huge import duties on Chinese steel - just image what he will do to British steel when we are out of the EU. We have to stick with EU or we will get bullied by the EU/US/China - Big countries bully small countries. | |||
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"There's something in it for him, but that may not be the case for the average person.....he said as much in describing his hiring issue L That's because he employs people, with skills, on decent wages. Companies who employ people on part time, zero hours, minimum wage contracts would rather be in. Why? Because they can use foreign agencies to target EU workers rather than UK, who then, because of the low wages come over here and claim (David Cameron's figures not mine) £10k pa in benefits (working/child tax credits etc). Also use the NHS, take up school places etc.....but in the next breath are claimed to make a "net contribution". My next door neighbours (actually a lovely Maltese/Romanian couple with one child) fit that criteria exactly. His temporary contract has just been terminated. I'll miss them when they go home but even they have said the system is wrong.....to the point that he said if they could vote...they would vote out as this practice is making a mess of their own countries too!" This makes no sense - if someone comes here to work - let them - if they claim benefits kick them out. Oh by the way - Farage is hypocrite. He has a german wife ! One migrant he wont kick out ! | |||
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"He is in line with the boss of JCB too. Google his open letter to his employees." Google Lord Sugar - he remembers the days when he couldn't sell into Europe - now he can sell out products into Europe ! | |||
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"I have to say, he made a comment along the lines of "if Europe impose a 10% levy on our exports, then we would impose a 10% levy on imports from Europe... that would make us £billions" the point he missed there though is that it's the British people who would be paying 10% more on products from Europe whilst we would be selling less into Europe. Unfortunately, we import much more than we export, and most of it we haven't got the capacity to produce internally. Cal That is precisely why the EU will want a good trade deal with us if we leave because we buy more from them than they buy from us. We are one of the EU's biggest export markets. To do a bad deal they would be cutting off their nose to spite their face. Also we don't currently have free trade with the EU, as we pay billions every year in EU membership fees to access the single market so that is a tariff of sorts. Also the EU is not the only place to buy goods from if we leave. If the EU want to cut off their nose to spite their face and give us a bad deal with high tariffs then we are free to look elsewhere in the world to import our goods from more cheaply as we will be able to do trade deals around the world with anyone not just the EU. " NO !!! We export more to the EU than the export to us - We need them more than they need us ! Wake up. Don't get into a fight with a bigger trading bloc Remember the Chinese will give good trade terms to the EU rather than UK ! | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland?
Air.
Didnt think we did a massive amount of air trade with china.
Woulsnt have thought they made anything worth the fuel cost lol
A significant amount of cargo is moved by air, although Switzerland isn't a member of the EU, they have been given trade deals and requested membership in the 90s I think. I sincerely doubt we'll be given those same deals immediately upon exiting.
We already have the same deal.
Its the EEA which we are a member of already which is seperate from our EU membership.
By default unless we leave the EEA during the negotiations we will remain a EEA member state
We don't have the same deal, there's significantly more benefits given to Switzerland which would be lost upon exiting.
Switzerland is part of EFTA which is why they get better deals. We aren't.
#pedantic again:
We are part of the EEA by virtue of being an EU member.
If we leave the EU we automatically cease to be part of the EEA, and would have to negotiate to rejoin it ( which may be a formality)- though it must be at the least, agreed in parliament.
We ceased to be members of EFTA on joining the EU, and thus, would need to rejoin it ( if we wished)
Stop talking to me if you're gonna use hashtags to get your point across.
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland?
Air.
Didnt think we did a massive amount of air trade with china.
Woulsnt have thought they made anything worth the fuel cost lol
A significant amount of cargo is moved by air, although Switzerland isn't a member of the EU, they have been given trade deals and requested membership in the 90s I think. I sincerely doubt we'll be given those same deals immediately upon exiting.
We already have the same deal.
Its the EEA which we are a member of already which is seperate from our EU membership.
By default unless we leave the EEA during the negotiations we will remain a EEA member state
We don't have the same deal, there's significantly more benefits given to Switzerland which would be lost upon exiting. "What benifits does switzerland have over the basic EEA benifits/costs? | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland?
Air.
Didnt think we did a massive amount of air trade with china.
Woulsnt have thought they made anything worth the fuel cost lol
A significant amount of cargo is moved by air, although Switzerland isn't a member of the EU, they have been given trade deals and requested membership in the 90s I think. I sincerely doubt we'll be given those same deals immediately upon exiting.
We already have the same deal.
Its the EEA which we are a member of already which is seperate from our EU membership.
By default unless we leave the EEA during the negotiations we will remain a EEA member state
We don't have the same deal, there's significantly more benefits given to Switzerland which would be lost upon exiting.
Switzerland is part of EFTA which is why they get better deals. We aren't.
#pedantic again:
We are part of the EEA by virtue of being an EU member.
If we leave the EU we automatically cease to be part of the EEA, and would have to negotiate to rejoin it ( which may be a formality)- though it must be at the least, agreed in parliament.
We ceased to be members of EFTA on joining the EU, and thus, would need to rejoin it ( if we wished)
"No we were in the EEA before we becamr EU members. Our EEA membership is not dependant upon our EU membership they are seperate treaties. There has already been rumblings from pro EU MPs who hold the majority that on an EU ecit they would block and exit from the EEA as the referendum doesnt grant a mandate on that. | |||
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"There's something in it for him, but that may not be the case for the average person.....he said as much in describing his hiring issue L That's because he employs people, with skills, on decent wages. Companies who employ people on part time, zero hours, minimum wage contracts would rather be in. Why? Because they can use foreign agencies to target EU workers rather than UK, who then, because of the low wages come over here and claim (David Cameron's figures not mine) £10k pa in benefits (working/child tax credits etc). Also use the NHS, take up school places etc.....but in the next breath are claimed to make a "net contribution". My next door neighbours (actually a lovely Maltese/Romanian couple with one child) fit that criteria exactly. His temporary contract has just been terminated. I'll miss them when they go home but even they have said the system is wrong.....to the point that he said if they could vote...they would vote out as this practice is making a mess of their own countries too! This makes no sense - if someone comes here to work - let them - if they claim benefits kick them out. Oh by the way - Farage is hypocrite. He has a german wife ! One migrant he wont kick out !" . .you cant kick them out | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland?
Air.
Didnt think we did a massive amount of air trade with china.
Woulsnt have thought they made anything worth the fuel cost lol
A significant amount of cargo is moved by air, although Switzerland isn't a member of the EU, they have been given trade deals and requested membership in the 90s I think. I sincerely doubt we'll be given those same deals immediately upon exiting.
We already have the same deal.
Its the EEA which we are a member of already which is seperate from our EU membership.
By default unless we leave the EEA during the negotiations we will remain a EEA member state
We don't have the same deal, there's significantly more benefits given to Switzerland which would be lost upon exiting.
What benifits does switzerland have over the basic EEA benifits/costs?"Switzerland isn't an EEA country yet gets EEA and EU benefits. That's a big one. | |||
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"I have to say, he made a comment along the lines of "if Europe impose a 10% levy on our exports, then we would impose a 10% levy on imports from Europe... that would make us £billions" the point he missed there though is that it's the British people who would be paying 10% more on products from Europe whilst we would be selling less into Europe. Unfortunately, we import much more than we export, and most of it we haven't got the capacity to produce internally. Cal That is precisely why the EU will want a good trade deal with us if we leave because we buy more from them than they buy from us. We are one of the EU's biggest export markets. To do a bad deal they would be cutting off their nose to spite their face. Also we don't currently have free trade with the EU, as we pay billions every year in EU membership fees to access the single market so that is a tariff of sorts. Also the EU is not the only place to buy goods from if we leave. If the EU want to cut off their nose to spite their face and give us a bad deal with high tariffs then we are free to look elsewhere in the world to import our goods from more cheaply as we will be able to do trade deals around the world with anyone not just the EU. NO !!! We export more to the EU than the export to us - We need them more than they need us ! Wake up. Don't get into a fight with a bigger trading bloc Remember the Chinese will give good trade terms to the EU rather than UK !" No we dont. We don't even come remotely close to exporting more to the EU than we import. How much do you think we produce to out export the combined economies of the entire continental EU states !? | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland?
Air.
Didnt think we did a massive amount of air trade with china.
Woulsnt have thought they made anything worth the fuel cost lol
A significant amount of cargo is moved by air, although Switzerland isn't a member of the EU, they have been given trade deals and requested membership in the 90s I think. I sincerely doubt we'll be given those same deals immediately upon exiting.
We already have the same deal.
Its the EEA which we are a member of already which is seperate from our EU membership.
By default unless we leave the EEA during the negotiations we will remain a EEA member state
We don't have the same deal, there's significantly more benefits given to Switzerland which would be lost upon exiting.
What benifits does switzerland have over the basic EEA benifits/costs?
Switzerland isn't an EEA country yet gets EEA and EU benefits. That's a big one. "Ah yeah its just in the single market. My bad. But it did have to accept free movment which seems to be a big ussue for most | |||
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"Swiss EU (not EEA benefits). We're nowhere close to the GDP of Switzerland or Norway so thinking well get such deals is dreaming. "In June 1999 Switzerland and the EU signed seven bilateral agreements, of which the most important related to civil aviation, free movement of persons, overland transport and technical barriers to trade. Their overall economic benefit to the Swiss economy has been estimated by the Swiss federal government at around SwFr 8 billion (2 per cent of Swiss GDP). The agreements have no sovereignty implications and can be cancelled at any time. They were approved by 67.2 per cent of Swiss voters in a referendum in May 2000. It is expected that they will have been fully ratified by the EU and its member states by the end of 2001. Agriculture: Tariffs on products such as cheese, cut flowers and certain fruits and vegetables will be lowered or eliminated. Non-tariff barriers will also be reduced. Civil aviation: Swiss airlines will be free to compete on all routes within the EU (apart from internal routes such as Berlin – Hamburg) and will be free to acquire control of EU airlines. Free movement of persons: Swiss citizens will be free to work within the EU and vice versa. Switzerland can impose limits on EU immigration for 12 years. Overland transport: Switzerland and the EU will gradually open up their respective road and rail markets, for both persons and goods. Switzerland will increase the maximum permitted HGV axle weight from 28 to 40 tonnes but will charge substantially higher HGV transit fees, which will help finance two new Alptransit tunnels. Public procurement: The EU and Switzerland will open up their public procurement markets to each other to a greater extent than their WTO commitments required. Research: Swiss research bodies and companies will have the right to full participation in EU research programmes. Technical barriers to trade: A Swiss federal law passed in 1995 provided that Swiss technical standards should not differ from EU standards except to allow for specific Swiss concerns relating to health, safety, the environment etc. Now the EU will recognise Swiss certification for most industrial products rather than require separate certification by an EU body, a procedure which was estimated to cost Swiss exporters 0.5-1.0 per cent of the cost of goods concerned."" I mean GDP per capita. | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland?
Air.
Didnt think we did a massive amount of air trade with china.
Woulsnt have thought they made anything worth the fuel cost lol
A significant amount of cargo is moved by air, although Switzerland isn't a member of the EU, they have been given trade deals and requested membership in the 90s I think. I sincerely doubt we'll be given those same deals immediately upon exiting.
We already have the same deal.
Its the EEA which we are a member of already which is seperate from our EU membership.
By default unless we leave the EEA during the negotiations we will remain a EEA member state
We don't have the same deal, there's significantly more benefits given to Switzerland which would be lost upon exiting.
What benifits does switzerland have over the basic EEA benifits/costs?
Switzerland isn't an EEA country yet gets EEA and EU benefits. That's a big one.
Ah yeah its just in the single market. My bad.
But it did have to accept free movment which seems to be a big ussue for most
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland?
Air.
Didnt think we did a massive amount of air trade with china.
Woulsnt have thought they made anything worth the fuel cost lol
A significant amount of cargo is moved by air, although Switzerland isn't a member of the EU, they have been given trade deals and requested membership in the 90s I think. I sincerely doubt we'll be given those same deals immediately upon exiting.
We already have the same deal.
Its the EEA which we are a member of already which is seperate from our EU membership.
By default unless we leave the EEA during the negotiations we will remain a EEA member state
We don't have the same deal, there's significantly more benefits given to Switzerland which would be lost upon exiting.
What benifits does switzerland have over the basic EEA benifits/costs?
Switzerland isn't an EEA country yet gets EEA and EU benefits. That's a big one.
Ah yeah its just in the single market. My bad.
But it did have to accept free movment which seems to be a big ussue for most
It can back out at any time, however this doesn't mean we will get the same deal. It's pretty unlikely we'll get such a sweet deal when we're saying "fuck you you foreigners, you fucked us up", isn't it?"I dunno, do you think given how fragile the Eurozone is right now they will want to add a massive disuption to thier economies to the tune of tens/hundreds of billions? Purely for childish spite? Or do you think the vast ampunts of money at stake will make sure that reason wins out and the most stable choice is made? If leave wins i expect negotiations to be lengthy and the 2 year notice period extended. Or deals to operate from the status quo till the new deal is formed Rather than some rushed through spiteful tarrif then years of negotiation to reduce it. | |||
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"How about a deal like south korea has? Something like 98% of products with the EU are tarrif free except for a few specific exceptions. See above. Why would we get a deal after telling the people we want a deal with that they're not good enough? Relations will be destroyed, and with good reason. " Because hundreds of billions of euros is worth more than MEPs feelings. Lobbyists would see the sensible action through. Hell weve jist made a big deal eith turkey and rhen this week Merkel just stabbed them in the back and declared what happened in arminia furing ww1 genocide. Nothing will actually happen becaus eof it thougj | |||
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"I don't see how trade will be affected: the places we holiday still need our tourist pounds - in fact more than ever! France will still want us to buy their butter, wine, cheese, etc, Greece their olives and olive oil, and Italy their pasta and olive oils, we will still have our markets that want to buy what we currently supply to them! All of the scaremongering is exactly that - as for our "rights" disappearing if we leave, how the hell would that change? The UK government is not suddenly going to revoke gay rights or human rights or maternity benefits. What WILL happen is that we will stop sucking EU ass and pumping billins out the door and have control of who is allowed into this country - and be able to deport the fuckers that break our laws - whether or not they have family here - boohoo - if your "family life" means so much to you you shouldn't break our laws!! I am all for us controlling our country. So that's in my ballsy moments. Having said all that I am still undecided.
Trade isn't just travel. It's import and export, and using routes via EU countries (Switzerland is a big one for Chinese imports). Taxes being imposed would cause repercussions.
I'd have thought holland would have been the route for china via the port of rotterdamn.
Whats the trade route from china to Switzerland?
Air.
Didnt think we did a massive amount of air trade with china.
Woulsnt have thought they made anything worth the fuel cost lol
A significant amount of cargo is moved by air, although Switzerland isn't a member of the EU, they have been given trade deals and requested membership in the 90s I think. I sincerely doubt we'll be given those same deals immediately upon exiting.
We already have the same deal.
Its the EEA which we are a member of already which is seperate from our EU membership.
By default unless we leave the EEA during the negotiations we will remain a EEA member state
We don't have the same deal, there's significantly more benefits given to Switzerland which would be lost upon exiting.
What benifits does switzerland have over the basic EEA benifits/costs?
Switzerland isn't an EEA country yet gets EEA and EU benefits. That's a big one.
Ah yeah its just in the single market. My bad.
But it did have to accept free movment which seems to be a big ussue for most
It can back out at any time, however this doesn't mean we will get the same deal. It's pretty unlikely we'll get such a sweet deal when we're saying "fuck you you foreigners, you fucked us up", isn't it?
I dunno, do you think given how fragile the Eurozone is right now they will want to add a massive disuption to thier economies to the tune of tens/hundreds of billions?
Purely for childish spite?
Or do you think the vast ampunts of money at stake will make sure that reason wins out and the most stable choice is made?
If leave wins i expect negotiations to be lengthy and the 2 year notice period extended.
Or deals to operate from the status quo till the new deal is formed
Rather than some rushed through spiteful tarrif then years of negotiation to reduce it.
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" You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms! What you are voting for is UK SOVEREIGNTY. You are voting to bring back CONTROL to our own country and to our elected leaders. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives (Parliament). Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future." "As well as the EU funding the move of Ford Trucks to Turkey at the cost of 1300 Britons jobs the EU also funded the closure of Peugeot cars (formerly rootes group)at a losS of 2,700 Britons jobs and funded the re location to Slovakia with £78 bllions. EU are also funding a new Jaguar Land Rover plant in Slovakia,owned by TATA who have trashed our steelworks & pension funds!. Metal Closures (Formerly Metal Box)re locating from Bournemouth to Poland,1,200 job losses. Cadbury open new plant in Poland,EU loan. Hoover closed in Merthyr Tydfil & re located in czech Republic by Italian company Candy with EU aid. British Army Ajax fight vehicles to be built in spain using Swedish steel at the request of the EU to support spanish jobs at the cost of welsh steel jobs!. Recent years we have seen Bombardier in Derby pleading for work to spply the rolling stock for londons Cross rail link but the contracts went to German company Siemens. The EU are funding our industrial Demise with our own money by giving out Aid to the closure of our industrial plants and then re locating them troughout the world at the cost of 100,000s of Britons jobs!,and some will still say we are better in the EU and our jobs are safer with the EU?. | |||
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"How about a deal like south korea has? Something like 98% of products with the EU are tarrif free except for a few specific exceptions. See above. Why would we get a deal after telling the people we want a deal with that they're not good enough? Relations will be destroyed, and with good reason. Because hundreds of billions of euros is worth more than MEPs feelings. Lobbyists would see the sensible action through. Hell weve jist made a big deal eith turkey and rhen this week Merkel just stabbed them in the back and declared what happened in arminia furing ww1 genocide. Nothing will actually happen becaus eof it thougj" Greenland is a good example of a country that fucked up by leaving the EEC. Their GDP per capita is shit. They haven't prospered since leaving. | |||
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"Swiss EU (not EEA benefits). We're nowhere close to the GDP of Switzerland or Norway so thinking well get such deals is dreaming. "In June 1999 Switzerland and the EU signed seven bilateral agreements, of which the most important related to civil aviation, free movement of persons, overland transport and technical barriers to trade. Their overall economic benefit to the Swiss economy has been estimated by the Swiss federal government at around SwFr 8 billion (2 per cent of Swiss GDP). The agreements have no sovereignty implications and can be cancelled at any time. They were approved by 67.2 per cent of Swiss voters in a referendum in May 2000. It is expected that they will have been fully ratified by the EU and its member states by the end of 2001. Agriculture: Tariffs on products such as cheese, cut flowers and certain fruits and vegetables will be lowered or eliminated. Non-tariff barriers will also be reduced. Civil aviation: Swiss airlines will be free to compete on all routes within the EU (apart from internal routes such as Berlin – Hamburg) and will be free to acquire control of EU airlines. Free movement of persons: Swiss citizens will be free to work within the EU and vice versa. Switzerland can impose limits on EU immigration for 12 years. Overland transport: Switzerland and the EU will gradually open up their respective road and rail markets, for both persons and goods. Switzerland will increase the maximum permitted HGV axle weight from 28 to 40 tonnes but will charge substantially higher HGV transit fees, which will help finance two new Alptransit tunnels. Public procurement: The EU and Switzerland will open up their public procurement markets to each other to a greater extent than their WTO commitments required. Research: Swiss research bodies and companies will have the right to full participation in EU research programmes. Technical barriers to trade: A Swiss federal law passed in 1995 provided that Swiss technical standards should not differ from EU standards except to allow for specific Swiss concerns relating to health, safety, the environment etc. Now the EU will recognise Swiss certification for most industrial products rather than require separate certification by an EU body, a procedure which was estimated to cost Swiss exporters 0.5-1.0 per cent of the cost of goods concerned."" Gpd of Switzerland is sub $500 billion Gdp of the uk is about $2.8 trillion. So the uk vastly exceeds switzerland in gdp. Not sure why you think gpd per capita would make a differmce though | |||
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"How about a deal like south korea has? Something like 98% of products with the EU are tarrif free except for a few specific exceptions. See above. Why would we get a deal after telling the people we want a deal with that they're not good enough? Relations will be destroyed, and with good reason. Because hundreds of billions of euros is worth more than MEPs feelings. Lobbyists would see the sensible action through. Hell weve jist made a big deal eith turkey and rhen this week Merkel just stabbed them in the back and declared what happened in arminia furing ww1 genocide. Nothing will actually happen becaus eof it thougj Greenland is a good example of a country that fucked up by leaving the EEC. Their GDP per capita is shit. They haven't prospered since leaving." Greenland doesnt really make anything though. We're the second biggest economy in the EU. Only germany is bigger than us Cant really compare us to greenland a minor protectorate | |||
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"Swiss EU (not EEA benefits). We're nowhere close to the GDP of Switzerland or Norway so thinking well get such deals is dreaming. "In June 1999 Switzerland and the EU signed seven bilateral agreements, of which the most important related to civil aviation, free movement of persons, overland transport and technical barriers to trade. Their overall economic benefit to the Swiss economy has been estimated by the Swiss federal government at around SwFr 8 billion (2 per cent of Swiss GDP). The agreements have no sovereignty implications and can be cancelled at any time. They were approved by 67.2 per cent of Swiss voters in a referendum in May 2000. It is expected that they will have been fully ratified by the EU and its member states by the end of 2001. Agriculture: Tariffs on products such as cheese, cut flowers and certain fruits and vegetables will be lowered or eliminated. Non-tariff barriers will also be reduced. Civil aviation: Swiss airlines will be free to compete on all routes within the EU (apart from internal routes such as Berlin – Hamburg) and will be free to acquire control of EU airlines. Free movement of persons: Swiss citizens will be free to work within the EU and vice versa. Switzerland can impose limits on EU immigration for 12 years. Overland transport: Switzerland and the EU will gradually open up their respective road and rail markets, for both persons and goods. Switzerland will increase the maximum permitted HGV axle weight from 28 to 40 tonnes but will charge substantially higher HGV transit fees, which will help finance two new Alptransit tunnels. Public procurement: The EU and Switzerland will open up their public procurement markets to each other to a greater extent than their WTO commitments required. Research: Swiss research bodies and companies will have the right to full participation in EU research programmes. Technical barriers to trade: A Swiss federal law passed in 1995 provided that Swiss technical standards should not differ from EU standards except to allow for specific Swiss concerns relating to health, safety, the environment etc. Now the EU will recognise Swiss certification for most industrial products rather than require separate certification by an EU body, a procedure which was estimated to cost Swiss exporters 0.5-1.0 per cent of the cost of goods concerned." Gpd of Switzerland is sub $500 billion Gdp of the uk is about $2.8 trillion. So the uk vastly exceeds switzerland in gdp. Not sure why you think gpd per capita would make a differmce though" Cos it does. The size of the country matters. Having £100 to share amongst 100 kids goes less far than amongst 20 kids. They are richer than us by far and it's why they are more desirable. | |||
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"How about a deal like south korea has? Something like 98% of products with the EU are tarrif free except for a few specific exceptions. See above. Why would we get a deal after telling the people we want a deal with that they're not good enough? Relations will be destroyed, and with good reason. Because hundreds of billions of euros is worth more than MEPs feelings. Lobbyists would see the sensible action through. Hell weve jist made a big deal eith turkey and rhen this week Merkel just stabbed them in the back and declared what happened in arminia furing ww1 genocide. Nothing will actually happen becaus eof it thougj Greenland is a good example of a country that fucked up by leaving the EEC. Their GDP per capita is shit. They haven't prospered since leaving. Greenland doesnt really make anything though. We're the second biggest economy in the EU. Only germany is bigger than us Cant really compare us to greenland a minor protectorate " You've missed the point of a country being hindered by leaving the EEC instead of growing. | |||
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"How about a deal like south korea has? Something like 98% of products with the EU are tarrif free except for a few specific exceptions. Exactly. Canada and the USA aren't part of the EU and we trade with them. The EU is an anomaly - not the way things should necessarily be done. " We pay tariffs on imports from those countries as they do from us. | |||
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"How about a deal like south korea has? Something like 98% of products with the EU are tarrif free except for a few specific exceptions. Exactly. Canada and the USA aren't part of the EU and we trade with them. The EU is an anomaly - not the way things should necessarily be done. We pay tariffs on imports from those countries as they do from us. " This is the point. Trade won't just stop, but taxes/tariffs/fees will change and will likely increase as opposed to staying the same as there's no pressure to reduce rates. Memberships are helpful. | |||
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"Exactly. Canada and the USA aren't part of the EU and we trade with them. The EU is an anomaly - not the way things should necessarily be done. " I love it when people hold up Canada and the US as ideal examples to follow. Presumably the logical end of this argument would be for us to also become part of a federal grouping of separate states. We could call it 'The US of E'.
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" You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms! What you are voting for is UK SOVEREIGNTY. You are voting to bring back CONTROL to our own country and to our elected leaders. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives (Parliament). Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future."
As well as the EU funding the move of Ford Trucks to Turkey at the cost of 1300 Britons jobs the EU also funded the closure of Peugeot cars (formerly rootes group)at a losS of 2,700 Britons jobs and funded the re location to Slovakia with £78 bllions.
EU are also funding a new Jaguar Land Rover plant in Slovakia,owned by TATA who have trashed our steelworks & pension funds!.
Metal Closures (Formerly Metal Box)re locating from Bournemouth to Poland,1,200 job losses.
Cadbury open new plant in Poland,EU loan.
Hoover closed in Merthyr Tydfil & re located in czech Republic by Italian company Candy with EU aid.
British Army Ajax fight vehicles to be built in spain using Swedish steel at the request of the EU to support spanish jobs at the cost of welsh steel jobs!.
Recent years we have seen Bombardier in Derby pleading for work to spply the rolling stock for londons Cross rail link but the contracts went to German company Siemens.
The EU are funding our industrial Demise with our own money by giving out Aid to the closure of our industrial plants and then re locating them troughout the world at the cost of 100,000s of Britons jobs!,and some will still say we are better in the EU and our jobs are safer with the EU?."You forgot that the EU also paid British fishermen in subsidies to destroy their own fishing boats. This lead to the decline of the British fishing industry, while other EU countries have been allowed to fish in British territorial waters since we joined the EU. We used to have a thriving British fishing industry before we joined the EU which has now been decimated as a direct result of EU rules, regulations and bureaucracy. | |||
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" You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms! What you are voting for is UK SOVEREIGNTY. You are voting to bring back CONTROL to our own country and to our elected leaders. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives (Parliament). Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future."
As well as the EU funding the move of Ford Trucks to Turkey at the cost of 1300 Britons jobs the EU also funded the closure of Peugeot cars (formerly rootes group)at a losS of 2,700 Britons jobs and funded the re location to Slovakia with £78 bllions.
EU are also funding a new Jaguar Land Rover plant in Slovakia,owned by TATA who have trashed our steelworks & pension funds!.
Metal Closures (Formerly Metal Box)re locating from Bournemouth to Poland,1,200 job losses.
Cadbury open new plant in Poland,EU loan.
Hoover closed in Merthyr Tydfil & re located in czech Republic by Italian company Candy with EU aid.
British Army Ajax fight vehicles to be built in spain using Swedish steel at the request of the EU to support spanish jobs at the cost of welsh steel jobs!.
Recent years we have seen Bombardier in Derby pleading for work to spply the rolling stock for londons Cross rail link but the contracts went to German company Siemens.
The EU are funding our industrial Demise with our own money by giving out Aid to the closure of our industrial plants and then re locating them troughout the world at the cost of 100,000s of Britons jobs!,and some will still say we are better in the EU and our jobs are safer with the EU?.
You forgot that the EU also paid British fishermen in subsidies to destroy their own fishing boats. This lead to the decline of the British fishing industry, while other EU countries have been allowed to fish in British territorial waters since we joined the EU. We used to have a thriving British fishing industry before we joined the EU which has now been decimated as a direct result of EU rules, regulations and bureaucracy. "You have the most extraordinary "me, me, me" attitude I've ever seen. The EEZ isn't a British only area of sea, giving access to less economically advantaged countries is a good thing. | |||
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" You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms! What you are voting for is UK SOVEREIGNTY. You are voting to bring back CONTROL to our own country and to our elected leaders. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives (Parliament). Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future."
As well as the EU funding the move of Ford Trucks to Turkey at the cost of 1300 Britons jobs the EU also funded the closure of Peugeot cars (formerly rootes group)at a losS of 2,700 Britons jobs and funded the re location to Slovakia with £78 bllions.
EU are also funding a new Jaguar Land Rover plant in Slovakia,owned by TATA who have trashed our steelworks & pension funds!.
Metal Closures (Formerly Metal Box)re locating from Bournemouth to Poland,1,200 job losses.
Cadbury open new plant in Poland,EU loan.
Hoover closed in Merthyr Tydfil & re located in czech Republic by Italian company Candy with EU aid.
British Army Ajax fight vehicles to be built in spain using Swedish steel at the request of the EU to support spanish jobs at the cost of welsh steel jobs!.
Recent years we have seen Bombardier in Derby pleading for work to spply the rolling stock for londons Cross rail link but the contracts went to German company Siemens.
The EU are funding our industrial Demise with our own money by giving out Aid to the closure of our industrial plants and then re locating them troughout the world at the cost of 100,000s of Britons jobs!,and some will still say we are better in the EU and our jobs are safer with the EU?.
You forgot that the EU also paid British fishermen in subsidies to destroy their own fishing boats. This lead to the decline of the British fishing industry, while other EU countries have been allowed to fish in British territorial waters since we joined the EU. We used to have a thriving British fishing industry before we joined the EU which has now been decimated as a direct result of EU rules, regulations and bureaucracy. "you do know that many British fishermen sold their quotas to other countries and now complain they can't fish...... | |||
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" That's the trouble with the remain campaign, nothing they say is serious.
Or perhaps "taken seriously enough"?
"The out folk don't do that Mr DDC, certainly not in the forum generally. Serial nit-picking and negativity is the order of the day. Intelligent debate is wonderful, though hard to come by on this subject. | |||
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" You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms! What you are voting for is UK SOVEREIGNTY. You are voting to bring back CONTROL to our own country and to our elected leaders. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives (Parliament). Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future."
As well as the EU funding the move of Ford Trucks to Turkey at the cost of 1300 Britons jobs the EU also funded the closure of Peugeot cars (formerly rootes group)at a losS of 2,700 Britons jobs and funded the re location to Slovakia with £78 bllions.
EU are also funding a new Jaguar Land Rover plant in Slovakia,owned by TATA who have trashed our steelworks & pension funds!.
Metal Closures (Formerly Metal Box)re locating from Bournemouth to Poland,1,200 job losses.
Cadbury open new plant in Poland,EU loan.
Hoover closed in Merthyr Tydfil & re located in czech Republic by Italian company Candy with EU aid.
British Army Ajax fight vehicles to be built in spain using Swedish steel at the request of the EU to support spanish jobs at the cost of welsh steel jobs!.
Recent years we have seen Bombardier in Derby pleading for work to spply the rolling stock for londons Cross rail link but the contracts went to German company Siemens.
The EU are funding our industrial Demise with our own money by giving out Aid to the closure of our industrial plants and then re locating them troughout the world at the cost of 100,000s of Britons jobs!,and some will still say we are better in the EU and our jobs are safer with the EU?.
You forgot that the EU also paid British fishermen in subsidies to destroy their own fishing boats. This lead to the decline of the British fishing industry, while other EU countries have been allowed to fish in British territorial waters since we joined the EU. We used to have a thriving British fishing industry before we joined the EU which has now been decimated as a direct result of EU rules, regulations and bureaucracy.
You have the most extraordinary "me, me, me" attitude I've ever seen. The EEZ isn't a British only area of sea, giving access to less economically advantaged countries is a good thing. "Less economically advantaged countries like France? Besides which Remainers slag off the deal Norway has with the EU but at least Norway controls it's own territorial waters which only Norwegian fishing boats are allowed to fish in and Norway has a thriving fishing industry outside of the EU. | |||
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" You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms! What you are voting for is UK SOVEREIGNTY. You are voting to bring back CONTROL to our own country and to our elected leaders. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives (Parliament). Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future."
As well as the EU funding the move of Ford Trucks to Turkey at the cost of 1300 Britons jobs the EU also funded the closure of Peugeot cars (formerly rootes group)at a losS of 2,700 Britons jobs and funded the re location to Slovakia with £78 bllions.
EU are also funding a new Jaguar Land Rover plant in Slovakia,owned by TATA who have trashed our steelworks & pension funds!.
Metal Closures (Formerly Metal Box)re locating from Bournemouth to Poland,1,200 job losses.
Cadbury open new plant in Poland,EU loan.
Hoover closed in Merthyr Tydfil & re located in czech Republic by Italian company Candy with EU aid.
British Army Ajax fight vehicles to be built in spain using Swedish steel at the request of the EU to support spanish jobs at the cost of welsh steel jobs!.
Recent years we have seen Bombardier in Derby pleading for work to spply the rolling stock for londons Cross rail link but the contracts went to German company Siemens.
The EU are funding our industrial Demise with our own money by giving out Aid to the closure of our industrial plants and then re locating them troughout the world at the cost of 100,000s of Britons jobs!,and some will still say we are better in the EU and our jobs are safer with the EU?.
You forgot that the EU also paid British fishermen in subsidies to destroy their own fishing boats. This lead to the decline of the British fishing industry, while other EU countries have been allowed to fish in British territorial waters since we joined the EU. We used to have a thriving British fishing industry before we joined the EU which has now been decimated as a direct result of EU rules, regulations and bureaucracy.
you do know that many British fishermen sold their quotas to other countries and now complain they can't fish......"Do the research i think you will find most of the UK fishing rights were given away to the EU by Ted Heath as a bargaining chip when he joined us up to what is now called the EU in the 1970's. | |||
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" You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms! What you are voting for is UK SOVEREIGNTY. You are voting to bring back CONTROL to our own country and to our elected leaders. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives (Parliament). Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future."
As well as the EU funding the move of Ford Trucks to Turkey at the cost of 1300 Britons jobs the EU also funded the closure of Peugeot cars (formerly rootes group)at a losS of 2,700 Britons jobs and funded the re location to Slovakia with £78 bllions.
EU are also funding a new Jaguar Land Rover plant in Slovakia,owned by TATA who have trashed our steelworks & pension funds!.
Metal Closures (Formerly Metal Box)re locating from Bournemouth to Poland,1,200 job losses.
Cadbury open new plant in Poland,EU loan.
Hoover closed in Merthyr Tydfil & re located in czech Republic by Italian company Candy with EU aid.
British Army Ajax fight vehicles to be built in spain using Swedish steel at the request of the EU to support spanish jobs at the cost of welsh steel jobs!.
Recent years we have seen Bombardier in Derby pleading for work to spply the rolling stock for londons Cross rail link but the contracts went to German company Siemens.
The EU are funding our industrial Demise with our own money by giving out Aid to the closure of our industrial plants and then re locating them troughout the world at the cost of 100,000s of Britons jobs!,and some will still say we are better in the EU and our jobs are safer with the EU?.
You forgot that the EU also paid British fishermen in subsidies to destroy their own fishing boats. This lead to the decline of the British fishing industry, while other EU countries have been allowed to fish in British territorial waters since we joined the EU. We used to have a thriving British fishing industry before we joined the EU which has now been decimated as a direct result of EU rules, regulations and bureaucracy.
you do know that many British fishermen sold their quotas to other countries and now complain they can't fish......
Do the research i think you will find most of the UK fishing rights were given away to the EU by Ted Heath as a bargaining chip when he joined us up to what is now called the EU in the 1970's."I did my research thanks. British fishermen have equal access to EU waters but many sold their quotas. the biggest impact on UK fishing was the Icelandic cod wars. | |||
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