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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Would you pay higher taxes or work an 3 hours unpaid a week to help out the poor people of Japan? Some think tank from the government thinks it’s a good idea if it got approved I am 100% behind it. Would you help out yes or no?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Japan... Yes...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

wonder what this government will get in return?

It's tragic what's happening out there and it's horrific to imagine

however, they're not the only country on it's knees and history dictates that there has to be some kind of backhander for our government to act....and you can bet we won't reap the benefits of it

not cynical or anything....

i would support, but i will do it via a charity...not via this government certainly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of the richest nations in the world being given aid? Do they need it? Did anyone send aid from Japan when floods hit communities in our country?

Im not sure I would.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One of the richest nations in the world being given aid? Do they need it? Did anyone send aid from Japan when floods hit communities in our country?

Im not sure I would."

I'm very sure: I wouldn't!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes we would help - without a doubt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with dances alone.....I'd certainly help on a personal choice level but not on a goverment instigated/insisited scheme.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One of the richest nations in the world being given aid? Do they need it? Did anyone send aid from Japan when floods hit communities in our country?

Im not sure I would."

again, cynical perhaps, but it didn't take long for the japanese banks to pump billions into their market to try help stabalise things

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"wonder what this government will get in return?

It's tragic what's happening out there and it's horrific to imagine

however, they're not the only country on it's knees and history dictates that there has to be some kind of backhander for our government to act....and you can bet we won't reap the benefits of it

not cynical or anything....

i would support, but i will do it via a charity...not via this government certainly"

The contract for British companies to help rebuild the country. You know someone in the bowels of Westminster is salivating, giddy at the prospect of the money to be made on the back of these people...or am I just a cynic?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No i wouldnt work for 3 hours unpaid to provide for a nation that is NOT a 3rd world country.

Japan is more than capable of financing its recovery from this terrible tragedy.

Our government is rather quick in offering tremendous amounts of aid to countries abroad......meanwhile back at home they are telling us that our country is seemingly bankrupt and we need to make sacrifices etc etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would you pay higher taxes or work an 3 hours unpaid a week to help out the poor people of Japan? Some think tank from the government thinks it’s a good idea if it got approved I am 100% behind it. Would you help out yes or no? "

As long as we get a hybred top of the range new motor out of it, then of course.... JOKE!!

Yes we would, poor people, unless you're there we dont think you can comprehend what they are going through

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haven't the Tories privatised charity yet?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would yes look all them poor people aint there fault to be honest.feel sorry for the wee ones as well .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I pay taxes on my income - too much in my opinion - and the combined tax revenue of all the taxpayers in the UK allows our govt to have an overseas foreign aid budget. If they have wasted that on countries like India (£300m) who themselves give £300m in aid to other countries, and then China - a fellow nuclear power, then I'm afraid that I don't trust not just this govt but any government to use the money raised from 3 hours/week x 30m people in pure foreign aid.

...and who's to say that if we permitted this to happen that it would become a regular contribution which is an indirect way of raising tax revenues.

Nope.

As posters have said above, if I give I'll give via a registered charity.

But will I give to Japan?

No.

They have (had?) one of the best performing economies in the world and I'm sure they have more than enough cash in the bank (Nomura?) to rebuild their broken towns without financial help from outside. I'd say their needs are more to do with expertise and personnel than fiscal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would you pay higher taxes or work an 3 hours unpaid a week to help out the poor people of Japan? Some think tank from the government thinks it’s a good idea if it got approved I am 100% behind it. Would you help out yes or no? "

It's a really bad idea to start. First off it'd be Japan the, almost before anyone noticed it there'd be calls for people to work 3 hours unpaid/ week and for the money to go to the NHS (or the local school/ college/ Uni. Then it'd be to pay for this, that or the other.

So. No, I wouldn't be in favour of this suggestion.

By all means pick a suitable charity and donate the equivalent sum to whatever cause floats your boat - if you wish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In a nutshell, No ! Callous as it may seem, Japan is the third richest country in the world and I'm sure they will have funds enough to well cater for themselves.

Sorry and all that, but, especially in these tough times, charity begins at home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..........They have (had?) one of the best performing economies in the world and I'm sure they have more than enough cash in the bank (Nomura?) to rebuild their broken towns without financial help from outside. I'd say their needs are more to do with expertise and personnel than fiscal."

This is one thing we can just about agree on.

Japan has a huge culture of personal saving and much of this money is used to buy Japanese Government Bonds. I believe it's actually known as 'rainy day money'.

Nobody can be in any doubt that it's raining in japan.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

yes........ I would work 3 hours

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i am still trying to find the link the OP is referring to...

does anyone have it please and then I'll comment...

Ta....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If this suggestion is true and its only to oil the wheels to secure rebuilding contracts for British companies then the old back hander is still alive and kicking - a tradition in the construction industry. If it generates more British jobs and the people affected get their new homes its win win. Im fed up of paying taxes to support unemployment costs. If we have to pay let it be self serving pay for a change. How much more tax can we give?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would like to help as I have given some money to Australia twice recently for the Victoria bushfires '09 and Queenland floods '11 but with Japan is the richest country in the world, I am sure their government can cope.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If this suggestion is true and its only to oil the wheels to secure rebuilding contracts for British companies then the old back hander is still alive and kicking - a tradition in the construction industry. If it generates more British jobs and the people affected get their new homes its win win. Im fed up of paying taxes to support unemployment costs. If we have to pay let it be self serving pay for a change. How much more tax can we give?"

i think we had that thought going through our mind when we helped America out in Iraq.....guess who's cherry picking the building contracts though?

t'aint us I can assure you that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would you pay higher taxes or work an 3 hours unpaid a week to help out the poor people of Japan? Some think tank from the government thinks it’s a good idea if it got approved I am 100% behind it. Would you help out yes or no? "

I feel for them, my god I do. I will donate money to help, like I have for most major disaster hit countries. But f*ck being forced into it.

If I do something, it's because I want to. I'm less likely to be happy about something if I felt I was being pushed into it.

...and they can stick the idea of 3 hrs of unpaid extra work a week up where the sun don't shine. Most of us do enough or too much as it is.

If we had to add on an extra 3 hrs work (unpaid) every time a major disaster occurred I think we will be all pretty naffed off by now....

Food for thought... 7 major disasters (excluding terrorism) that have occurred (amongst others) in the last 25 years.

Chernobyl Nuclear Explosion 1986

Bangladesh Cyclone 1991

Indian Tsunami 2004

Hurricane Katrina 2005

Cyclone Nargis 2008

Haiti Earthquake 2010

Japanese Earthquake & Tsunami 2011

I'm going to use this 3 hrs unpaid work idea to inform you that you should now be doing 21 hrs voluntary work per week, you amazing people!

Given the average age of swingers using fab (guess work!), most of us would have been working for the last 25 years.

My answer, in a nutshell, is 'no'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Japan's industrial companies idea of coping might be to retrench production back to Japan.

That might have serious consequences for Toyota and Honda plants here in the UK - and I'm sure they're not the only Japanese headquartered companies working in the UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

tory mps lineing their pockets with directorships ov companies, power stations in this country getting manned up by poles italians germans fins hungarians etc? Brits cant get on, shud take after all other commonwealth countries and look after our own first! Aid to india? China? Etc n where skint? Get slimy daves mates at canary wharf to send the aid? Who,d help us i wonder? It sad n horrible but some toff gona b lineing his pockets due to this? Maybe bono , bob, cheryl etc gona donate? As always doing charity aid and asking us to contribute? We have homeless people dont see dave n mates helping them?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

again the OP normally like to put stories like this and normally only tell one side.. or misrepresent a story altogether...

so can anyone find a link to what is being said.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only thing I can find is an article saying Mr Cameron and Mr Hague would be offering Japan practical help in the way of search and rescue (already left) but said with the crisis in Libya and then aid to Japan it would be stretching the Foreign Office financially. I think thats an indication that we're a little skint at the moment to do very much more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Googled it. Nothing. Zilch. Nada.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"again the OP normally like to put stories like this and normally only tell one side.. or misrepresent a story altogether...

so can anyone find a link to what is being said......."

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"again the OP normally like to put stories like this and normally only tell one side.. or misrepresent a story altogether...

so can anyone find a link to what is being said......."
As an swl listener, that means short wave listening on the radio the BBC world service it was put live on air as a debate witch I heard today sorry no link otherwise I would of put the link down it’s only what was said on the bbc world service.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would, but can't afford to donate 3 hours of mt wage. And what about other previous disasters elsewhere like the 2007 tsunami, Rwanda, Sudan, etc?

Although I guess this is economic, if the Japanese economy falls ours will be effected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All the time the OAP cant afford to put on heating in the winter. We cant home the homeless. Kids are going to bed hungry in THIS country then no!

When we had floods did any of them come over and helped???

Like posts above they can afford to rebuild without our help and any money given to charity to help them 60p to the £1 goes on admin fees!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would, but can't afford to donate 3 hours of mt wage. And what about other previous disasters elsewhere like the 2007 tsunami, Rwanda, Sudan, etc?

Although I guess this is economic, if the Japanese economy falls ours will be effected.

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yes...$184bn injected into the markets this week to keep them buoyant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Knowing of japans history , im sure it wont take them too long to recover what they have lost...

The same cant be said for those who died.

But no i would work 3 hrs for them. they are an extremely rich country and tend to be that way because they dont give their wealth away .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

probably be different if japan a oil and gas rich country? Synical yes but wonder?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would you pay higher taxes or work an 3 hours unpaid a week to help out the poor people of Japan? Some think tank from the government thinks it’s a good idea if it got approved I am 100% behind it. Would you help out yes or no? "

would the workshy who live on benefits give up a few days worth for the sake of japan, did all the japanese work an extra 3 hours to help out with the devastation on the last tsunami where hundreds of thousands died?

were not callous and do give to charities but wouldnt be forced into working 3 hours for free.

the building trade has seen wages frozen and hours cut , overtime is non existant so how could the government reasonably expect us to do that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Knowing of japans history , im sure it wont take them too long to recover what they have lost...

The same cant be said for those who died.

But no i would work 3 hrs for them. they are an extremely rich country and tend to be that way because they dont give their wealth away . "

Japan, China and South Korea joined to create a $120 billion crisis fund for 13 Asian nations to help these countries avoid situations like those experienced during the Asian financial crisis in 1997 and 1998.

the do a lot for world aid and foreign aid and it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect help and charities are bending over backwards to assist...i can't see the government backing an idea like this which would automatically invite opposition.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"again the OP normally like to put stories like this and normally only tell one side.. or misrepresent a story altogether...

so can anyone find a link to what is being said.......As an swl listener, that means short wave listening on the radio the BBC world service it was put live on air as a debate witch I heard today sorry no link otherwise I would of put the link down it’s only what was said on the bbc world service."

well if the BBC world service (yes I have heard of it) were having it as a debate then surely they must have gotten the story from "somewhere"..... but yet its nowhere on the internet at all.... hmmmmmm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

certainly not they are meant to be a high tec country they should have had provisions and back up plans. Would they help us or should i say did they offer to help us when we had the floodings. To me Charity begins at home!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"certainly not they are meant to be a high tec country they should have had provisions and back up plans. Would they help us or should i say did they offer to help us when we had the floodings. To me Charity begins at home!!"

they do have a back up plan and they do a heck of a lot for international aid.

japan has not asked us to do this and the story has not been verified.

we shouldn't blame the poor buggers who have effectively seen their country wiped out for this thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"certainly not they are meant to be a high tec country they should have had provisions and back up plans. Would they help us or should i say did they offer to help us when we had the floodings. To me Charity begins at home!!

they do have a back up plan and they do a heck of a lot for international aid.

japan has not asked us to do this and the story has not been verified.

we shouldn't blame the poor buggers who have effectively seen their country wiped out for this thread"

I might have misunderstood the OP but I took it to have been a UK pro-government think tank which had come up with this idea - as opposed to it being a Japanese idea.

The notion of working for nothing - regardless of the cause - has Cameron and Osborne's fingerprints all over it.

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By *agman n angelCouple
over a year ago

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By *agman n angelCouple
over a year ago

benidorm


"Would you pay higher taxes or work an 3 hours unpaid a week to help out the poor people of Japan? Some think tank from the government thinks it’s a good idea if it got approved I am 100% behind it. Would you help out yes or no? "

yes without a doubt

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

I'd help, this is a disaster on an unprecedented scale, also they will be able to rebuild the country and then continue to contribute to the the world economy - which is very unlike many countries who receive billions of aid and who will never be in a position to be self sufficient. Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its not about money ....... its about help ........people ask for help when there is no other option - we have seen comments on here from people who wouldnt give up 3 hrs wages..........wonder if they would if any of thier family was there?

we all have japanese technology in our homes (most are even typing on it now) drive japanese cars, camera's .....list is endless.

This is a monumental natural disaster of which ALL human beings should help each other ........if you (or your kids/parents/relatives/loved ones) were trapped or need help under such extreme circumstances........wouldnt you welcome it?........we certainly would.

Its about time people started being human again instead of who should pay

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

my problem with this is exactly what dances said... it is an unverified story!!

the only assistance that japan has asked for is Specialist Diaster teams to help in the search and rescue phase of finding people post earthquake/tsunami... and the US and south korea in regards to helping with the nuclear plants

They haven't asked for any economic assistance at all.... so thats why i am confused and asked the OP to verify or supply some sort of link to that claim...

they haven't or couldn't so far......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its not about money ....... its about help ........people ask for help when there is no other option - we have seen comments on here from people who wouldnt give up 3 hrs wages..........wonder if they would if any of thier family was there?

we all have japanese technology in our homes (most are even typing on it now) drive japanese cars, camera's .....list is endless.

This is a monumental natural disaster of which ALL human beings should help each other ........if you (or your kids/parents/relatives/loved ones) were trapped or need help under such extreme circumstances........wouldnt you welcome it?........we certainly would.

Its about time people started being human again instead of who should pay"

there's a difference between working free for three hours and not donating.

i'd happily give three hours wage, i would never give three hours of my time though.

my time is more precious than my money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

im the opposite...........i can give 3 hours of my time to help in any way that i was useful.....its the money that i sadly dont have

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"my problem with this is exactly what dances said... it is an unverified story!!

the only assistance that japan has asked for is Specialist Diaster teams to help in the search and rescue phase of finding people post earthquake/tsunami... and the US and south korea in regards to helping with the nuclear plants

They haven't asked for any economic assistance at all.... so thats why i am confused and asked the OP to verify or supply some sort of link to that claim...

they haven't or couldn't so far......"

As I pointed out above - there's no suggestion that Japan has ASKED for economic assistance.

The OP talks about a plan from some unnamed UK think tank to OFFER assistance by way of a levy on 3 hours wages on UK workers.

The Japanese being the race they are are unlikely to ask for financial assistance.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"my problem with this is exactly what dances said... it is an unverified story!!

the only assistance that japan has asked for is Specialist Diaster teams to help in the search and rescue phase of finding people post earthquake/tsunami... and the US and south korea in regards to helping with the nuclear plants

They haven't asked for any economic assistance at all.... so thats why i am confused and asked the OP to verify or supply some sort of link to that claim...

they haven't or couldn't so far......"

To be fair she/ he did say it was a debate she listened to on the radio.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"wonder what this government will get in return?

It's tragic what's happening out there and it's horrific to imagine

however, they're not the only country on it's knees and history dictates that there has to be some kind of backhander for our government to act....and you can bet we won't reap the benefits of it

not cynical or anything....

i would support, but i will do it via a charity...not via this government certainly"

You are right, bldy big society con men. We are all capable of making our own minds up about how much we contribute and charitable donations can be pumped up by the tax relief they attract. Control freaks they are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The notion of working for nothing - regardless of the cause - has Cameron and Osborne's fingerprints all over it."

I'd say quite the opposite. It has Labour Socialism running through it like a stick of blackpool rock.

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By *ouple1234Couple
over a year ago

BELFAST UK

i would much rather just go out myself and help out to be honest id fly out 2maro if i was asked.. maybe people that has been out of work for so long could be shipped out aswell, personal friend of mine hasnt worked a day in his life he is now 23 id love to see his face if they said people who hasnt worked will be going or lose your money LOl

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The notion of working for nothing - regardless of the cause - has Cameron and Osborne's fingerprints all over it.

I'd say quite the opposite. It has Labour Socialism running through it like a stick of blackpool rock.

"

Then you'd be wrong. The labourer is always worthy of his hire.

It's Tories who'd have folks (except their friends) working for nothing - as demonstrated by their suggestion that jobseekers could either 'volunteer' to work at Poundland or lose benefit.

Poundland's statement ran "We work in partnership with JobCentre Plus and other government-funded organisations to implement a comprehensive Work Placement Programme designed to provide on the job training for those looking to retail as a career opportunity,” the statement said. “A placement lasts for four to six weeks, and during this time jobseekers continue to receive benefits."

Cheap labour or what?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i would much rather just go out myself and help out to be honest id fly out 2maro if i was asked.. maybe people that has been out of work for so long could be shipped out aswell, personal friend of mine hasnt worked a day in his life he is now 23 id love to see his face if they said people who hasnt worked will be going or lose your money LOl "

You might find yourself turned back because the UK Embassy couldn't be arsed completing the paperwork.

No wonder William Hague got his jotters tout de suit as Chief Tory.

Foreign Secretary? He isn't fit to sit on anyone's knee - foreigner or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The notion of working for nothing - regardless of the cause - has Cameron and Osborne's fingerprints all over it.

I'd say quite the opposite. It has Labour Socialism running through it like a stick of blackpool rock.

Then you'd be wrong. The labourer is always worthy of his hire.

It's Tories who'd have folks (except their friends) working for nothing - as demonstrated by their suggestion that jobseekers could either 'volunteer' to work at Poundland or lose benefit.

Poundland's statement ran "We work in partnership with JobCentre Plus and other government-funded organisations to implement a comprehensive Work Placement Programme designed to provide on the job training for those looking to retail as a career opportunity,” the statement said. “A placement lasts for four to six weeks, and during this time jobseekers continue to receive benefits."

Cheap labour or what?

"

So let me get this straight.. you think that people have the right to sit on their arses doing sod all and get paid for it by taxing other people who go out and work each day?

Maybe the incentive here is to get them into 'work mode' and out of 'idle mode' - and then perhaps they'll get so sick of stacking shelves they'll seek a proper paid job elsewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The notion of working for nothing - regardless of the cause - has Cameron and Osborne's fingerprints all over it.

I'd say quite the opposite. It has Labour Socialism running through it like a stick of blackpool rock.

Then you'd be wrong. The labourer is always worthy of his hire.

It's Tories who'd have folks (except their friends) working for nothing - as demonstrated by their suggestion that jobseekers could either 'volunteer' to work at Poundland or lose benefit.

Poundland's statement ran "We work in partnership with JobCentre Plus and other government-funded organisations to implement a comprehensive Work Placement Programme designed to provide on the job training for those looking to retail as a career opportunity,” the statement said. “A placement lasts for four to six weeks, and during this time jobseekers continue to receive benefits."

Cheap labour or what?

"

totally makes a mockery of minimum wage.

i think the ethos is sound as a pound...however, it would only be right to implement it if the person was receiving minimum wage...or the government would be culpable of breaking it's own employment laws...surely?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The notion of working for nothing - regardless of the cause - has Cameron and Osborne's fingerprints all over it.

I'd say quite the opposite. It has Labour Socialism running through it like a stick of blackpool rock.

Then you'd be wrong. The labourer is always worthy of his hire.

It's Tories who'd have folks (except their friends) working for nothing - as demonstrated by their suggestion that jobseekers could either 'volunteer' to work at Poundland or lose benefit.

Poundland's statement ran "We work in partnership with JobCentre Plus and other government-funded organisations to implement a comprehensive Work Placement Programme designed to provide on the job training for those looking to retail as a career opportunity,” the statement said. “A placement lasts for four to six weeks, and during this time jobseekers continue to receive benefits."

Cheap labour or what?

totally makes a mockery of minimum wage.

i think the ethos is sound as a pound...however, it would only be right to implement it if the person was receiving minimum wage...or the government would be culpable of breaking it's own employment laws...surely?!"

In fairness the Tories didn't start this nonsense but they are doing their damndest to perfect it. I believe the get-out is that the 'volunteers' aren't actually employees of the company which is exploiting them.

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle


"my problem with this is exactly what dances said... it is an unverified story!!

the only assistance that japan has asked for is Specialist Diaster teams to help in the search and rescue phase of finding people post earthquake/tsunami... and the US and south korea in regards to helping with the nuclear plants

They haven't asked for any economic assistance at all.... so thats why i am confused and asked the OP to verify or supply some sort of link to that claim...

they haven't or couldn't so far......"

I'm with you _abio.

The giveaway for me in the OP was the phrase 'think tank funded by the government' or somesuch.

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By *plpxp2Couple
over a year ago

Middlesbrough

Sorry folks we already work from 1st January to the 31st May for nothing to pay the gov', so another three hours?

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle


"Sorry folks we already work from 1st January to the 31st May for nothing to pay the gov', so another three hours? "

Congrsatulations, you've been trolled...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"again the OP normally like to put stories like this and normally only tell one side.. or misrepresent a story altogether...

so can anyone find a link to what is being said.......As an swl listener, that means short wave listening on the radio the BBC world service it was put live on air as a debate witch I heard today sorry no link otherwise I would of put the link down it’s only what was said on the bbc world service.

well if the BBC world service (yes I have heard of it) were having it as a debate then surely they must have gotten the story from "somewhere"..... but yet its nowhere on the internet at all.... hmmmmmm

"

But Fabio, the OP has said where the information came from, so why not take it at face value instead of trying to discredit it ? If it's true, it's true, if not, what the heck - it's promoting debate is it not ?

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle


"again the OP normally like to put stories like this and normally only tell one side.. or misrepresent a story altogether...

so can anyone find a link to what is being said.......As an swl listener, that means short wave listening on the radio the BBC world service it was put live on air as a debate witch I heard today sorry no link otherwise I would of put the link down it’s only what was said on the bbc world service.

well if the BBC world service (yes I have heard of it) were having it as a debate then surely they must have gotten the story from "somewhere"..... but yet its nowhere on the internet at all.... hmmmmmm

But Fabio, the OP has said where the information came from, so why not take it at face value instead of trying to discredit it ? If it's true, it's true, if not, what the heck - it's promoting debate is it not ?"

If the OP wants to provoke debate why not just post up 'I wouldn't give money to help people in Japan or work unpaid - would you?'

Why embellish it with odd sounding claims like 'a government think tank' and the like? It's classic troll bait.

Me? I phoned my mate's wife last night to check she's OK - he works for the Japanese government and she hasn't seen him for more than two hours at a time since the quake struck. We chatted about whether we might, over time, wait to see how this pans out and maybe try and support some stuff for the Japanese kids who'll have had their childhood devastated by this - it may not be needed - we'll wait and see...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because as the OP said - they heard it on the BBC World service and unless you, Fabio or anyone else can prove otherwise I don't see the problem.

After all it's only certain posters who are trying to discredit the OP's story so maybe the burden of proof should be upon those people and not the OP ??

Lets be fair here, I listen to many a 'debate' on Radio Newcastle which doesn't appear in the world media or the internet but that doesn't make it untrue or 'troll bait' if I were to mention it on here ....

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By *aughty_kittyWoman
over a year ago

finger licking good


"Because as the OP said - they heard it on the BBC World service and unless you, Fabio or anyone else can prove otherwise I don't see the problem.

After all it's only certain posters who are trying to discredit the OP's story so maybe the burden of proof should be upon those people and not the OP ??

Lets be fair here, I listen to many a 'debate' on Radio Newcastle which doesn't appear in the world media or the internet but that doesn't make it untrue or 'troll bait' if I were to mention it on here ...."

well said, i would say what i was thinking but i cant be arsed

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

I was listening to the radio the other day that were debating about lots of things, they had varied people there chatting including MP's and what they thought of the subject they were discussing.

Now if I then posted about those debates on here will I have to have links to prove that I had heard it?

The OP didn't claim that a policy was about to be approved, it said a "think tank THINKS it may be a good idea...so why not just use the original question as a starter for a debat eand stop being rude about the OP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

an international team from Scotland was denied access to help

but could not go any further due 2 red tape

whats going on with the so called government were sending all help they can but they refuse the a Scottish based firm, an have to makes lies up

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"an international team from Scotland was denied access to help

but could not go any further due 2 red tape

whats going on with the so called government were sending all help they can but they refuse the a Scottish based firm, an have to makes lies up"

I listened to jeremy vine on radio 2 yesterday where a minister explained exactly why the rescue team were denied access - they had not gone through the correct procedures - the Japanese authorities need to be able to liaise with all parties wanting to assist in order to place them, house them, feed them etc - it would be total chaos and totally unhelpful if thousands of people arrived to 'help' however good their intentions. Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"an international team from Scotland was denied access to help

but could not go any further due 2 red tape

whats going on with the so called government were sending all help they can but they refuse the a Scottish based firm, an have to makes lies up

I listened to jeremy vine on radio 2 yesterday where a minister explained exactly why the rescue team were denied access - they had not gone through the correct procedures - the Japanese authorities need to be able to liaise with all parties wanting to assist in order to place them, house them, feed them etc - it would be total chaos and totally unhelpful if thousands of people arrived to 'help' however good their intentions. Z"
the minister is an idiot

they had al the paper work sent they just didnt do anything about it

just shows how they can get it very wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could someone please tell me what being 'trolled' is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wouldn`t give them a penny.

Google:- Atrocities.

For which the Japanese government has NEVER issued any appologies, or offered compensation regardless of them being, and have been for decades the 3rd weathiest nation on the planet.

NO, NO, NO.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wouldn`t give them a penny.

Google:- Atrocities.

For which the Japanese government has NEVER issued any appologies, or offered compensation regardless of them being, and have been for decades the 3rd weathiest nation on the planet.

NO, NO, NO.

"

I don't think I'm wrong, but didn't the Japanese government do precisely that a year or so ago?

Here's the full list of apologies offered by Japan for WW2 atrocities. (They've apologised in every decade since WW2 but have been rebuffed in a few of them)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wouldn`t give them a penny.

Google:- Atrocities.

For which the Japanese government has NEVER issued any appologies, or offered compensation regardless of them being, and have been for decades the 3rd weathiest nation on the planet.

NO, NO, NO.

I don't think I'm wrong, but didn't the Japanese government do precisely that a year or so ago?

Here's the full list of apologies offered by Japan for WW2 atrocities. (They've apologised in every decade since WW2 but have been rebuffed in a few of them)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan"

you know anyone can edit that site wishy cause its in there doesn't mean its true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".........

The giveaway for me in the OP was the phrase 'think tank funded by the government' or somesuch.

"

Governments don't fund Think Tanks but political parties do.

I appreciate the difference might not be too obvious at first sight but it's an important difference none the less.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry folks we already work from 1st January to the 31st May for nothing to pay the gov', so another three hours? "

I don't understand why folks quote Jan 1st to (whenever) when the tax year - the period during which tax liability is calculated - begins in April.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wouldn`t give them a penny.

Google:- Atrocities.

For which the Japanese government has NEVER issued any appologies, or offered compensation regardless of them being, and have been for decades the 3rd weathiest nation on the planet.

NO, NO, NO.

I don't think I'm wrong, but didn't the Japanese government do precisely that a year or so ago?

Here's the full list of apologies offered by Japan for WW2 atrocities. (They've apologised in every decade since WW2 but have been rebuffed in a few of them)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

you know anyone can edit that site wishy cause its in there doesn't mean its true "

Shock! Horror! Not everything on Wiki is true????

That'll put some folks gas at a peep.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wouldn`t give them a penny.

Google:- Atrocities.

For which the Japanese government has NEVER issued any appologies, or offered compensation regardless of them being, and have been for decades the 3rd weathiest nation on the planet.

NO, NO, NO.

I don't think I'm wrong, but didn't the Japanese government do precisely that a year or so ago?

Here's the full list of apologies offered by Japan for WW2 atrocities. (They've apologised in every decade since WW2 but have been rebuffed in a few of them)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan"

Your correct to a point, however a vast majority or the appoligies we`re directed at their neighbours in S.E Asia, which they needed for economic reasons. The "token" appoligies offered to the UK. USA, Austrailia etc were given far too late for most that suffered, to do so earlier the Japanese government would have been open to claims of compensation from the survivors.

My father-in-law was on of the unfortune people to suffer at the hands of the Japanese and fought for a "appology" for over 50 years before his death, never to receive one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry folks we already work from 1st January to the 31st May for nothing to pay the gov', so another three hours?

I don't understand why folks quote Jan 1st to (whenever) when the tax year - the period during which tax liability is calculated - begins in April."

I think the media started doing that to simplify things.

Take a) annual year's wages, minus b) tax liability, equals c) amount of tax paid & d) amount left to oneself.

You then divide c) by your hourly rate of pay e) and then multiply it by 8 (average hours in working day) which should give you a figure f) that you can work out from Jan 1st to sometime in May when you will have reached the upper limit for payments to the treasury.

Simplified as a formula it reads:

a) - b) = c) & d)

c) / e) * 8 = f)

f) * 5 = week from Jan 1st you begin working for yourself.

Simples.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wouldn`t give them a penny.

Google:- Atrocities.

For which the Japanese government has NEVER issued any appologies, or offered compensation regardless of them being, and have been for decades the 3rd weathiest nation on the planet.

NO, NO, NO.

I don't think I'm wrong, but didn't the Japanese government do precisely that a year or so ago?

Here's the full list of apologies offered by Japan for WW2 atrocities. (They've apologised in every decade since WW2 but have been rebuffed in a few of them)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

you know anyone can edit that site wishy cause its in there doesn't mean its true "

Some things on Wiki are a matter of historical fact and can be sourced from many locations on the web. Feel free to post a link to another source that contradicts the article on Wiki about Japanese apologies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry folks we already work from 1st January to the 31st May for nothing to pay the gov', so another three hours?

I don't understand why folks quote Jan 1st to (whenever) when the tax year - the period during which tax liability is calculated - begins in April.

I think the media started doing that to simplify things.

Take a) annual year's wages, minus b) tax liability, equals c) amount of tax paid & d) amount left to oneself.

You then divide c) by your hourly rate of pay e) and then multiply it by 8 (average hours in working day) which should give you a figure f) that you can work out from Jan 1st to sometime in May when you will have reached the upper limit for payments to the treasury.

Simplified as a formula it reads:

a) - b) = c) & d)

c) / e) * 8 = f)

f) * 5 = week from Jan 1st you begin working for yourself.

Simples. "

Aye, that fair simplifies things

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

Is this thread about if Godzilla attacks?

If so well I think it affects us all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Japan will never recover now that Mick karn has passed away.

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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago

The Forest


"Wouldn`t give them a penny.

Google:- Atrocities.

For which the Japanese government has NEVER issued any appologies, or offered compensation regardless of them being, and have been for decades the 3rd weathiest nation on the planet.

NO, NO, NO.

"

I can empathise with this train of thought - my grandfather's best friend had his foot cut off by the Japs to stop him escaping during WW2. Their war crimes went unpunished and many of the criminals are still alive, now they want our money and help.

We really do piss all over the memories of our fallen soldiers in this country, don't we?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Can ANYONE show me any request from Japan for money from this country?

Anything concrete will do....until then all bait.

They never even asked the UK for help, it was offered to them, they never came to us for ANYTHING.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can ANYONE show me any request from Japan for money from this country?

Anything concrete will do....until then all bait.

They never even asked the UK for help, it was offered to them, they never came to us for ANYTHING."

they've been offered help and refused it so far.

much to the distress of some of their people who can't understand why.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wouldn`t give them a penny.

Google:- Atrocities.

For which the Japanese government has NEVER issued any appologies, or offered compensation regardless of them being, and have been for decades the 3rd weathiest nation on the planet.

NO, NO, NO.

I don't think I'm wrong, but didn't the Japanese government do precisely that a year or so ago?

Here's the full list of apologies offered by Japan for WW2 atrocities. (They've apologised in every decade since WW2 but have been rebuffed in a few of them)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

you know anyone can edit that site wishy cause its in there doesn't mean its true

Some things on Wiki are a matter of historical fact and can be sourced from many locations on the web. Feel free to post a link to another source that contradicts the article on Wiki about Japanese apologies. "

The Japanese arent the sole perpertrators of attrocities, Nagasaki, and Hiroshima ring any bells? Don't think theres ever been an apology for that either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wouldn`t give them a penny.

Google:- Atrocities.

For which the Japanese government has NEVER issued any appologies, or offered compensation regardless of them being, and have been for decades the 3rd weathiest nation on the planet.

NO, NO, NO.

I can empathise with this train of thought - my grandfather's best friend had his foot cut off by the Japs to stop him escaping during WW2. ..............."

I doubt that actually happened.

Persistent escape attempts would normally (what a strange word to use in this context) be punishable by death.

A wounded or crippled prisoner wouldn't be capable of the hard manual labour for which they were (barely) kept alive.

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By *LBishCouple
over a year ago

near bury st edmunds


"One of the richest nations in the world being given aid? Do they need it? Did anyone send aid from Japan when floods hit communities in our country?

Im not sure I would."

This country is cutting so much fro our future generations ie our kids ahve been hit hard. We have a hight rate of familys with kids living on or below the poverty line. This country has cut everything and out up lots for its own ppl, but yet it has not choce to cut the help we give to forign aid.

Sorry but no as a single parent trying to make ends meet and give my own children a desent start in life, i need every penny i earn for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would i balls!

I pity them but thats about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah ..I`d contribute a few hours...

Its no time fer nationalism..

Japan will probally get indirect financial thru the G7 to prop up the Yen at some point ..fair enough,its a global market which we depend on s`well..we need a strong Japanese economy..

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

I think it's really sad that some people don't seem to have any sympathy for all those thousands left alive to deal with the aftermath of these disasters. Does it matter how rich the country is? Does it matter what happened during the war (we have committed many 'atrocities' ourselves) I know we can't forget the brave people who fought for us in the wars but we can't hold their descendents personally responsible for ever. They are our fellow human beings and we should try to do all we can to help. If you saw a rich guy in distress - perhaps been mugged or what ever - would you leave him to it but help some one poor? I know it's all relative but come on, lets see a little more of the milk of human kindness! At least if and thats a big if, they are helped financially, at least they will be in a position one day to repay the loans. Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yeah ..I`d contribute a few hours...

Its no time fer nationalism..

Japan will probally get indirect financial thru the G7 to prop up the Yen at some point ..fair enough,its a global market which we depend on s`well..we need a strong Japanese economy.."

the yen is actually quite buoyant with the expectation that at some point all their industry will be taken back 'in-house'....it's us that ought to be worried about that....however, with a national debt of £194bn, they're not as rich as we all seem to believe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yeah ..I`d contribute a few hours...

Its no time fer nationalism..

Japan will probally get indirect financial thru the G7 to prop up the Yen at some point ..fair enough,its a global market which we depend on s`well..we need a strong Japanese economy..

the yen is actually quite buoyant with the expectation that at some point all their industry will be taken back 'in-house'....it's us that ought to be worried about that....however, with a national debt of £194bn, they're not as rich as we all seem to believe."

yeah thats true...there seems to be an argument that they can sweep the house clean ..so to speak and rebuild and theres some historical precedent fer that ...the Kobe earthquake did more fiscal harm but they rebounded very strongly didn`t they!..But there may be fears of high oil prices putting the mockers on that arguement and the nuclear situ?...

They have said they don`t need any help from the G7 to be fair to them!..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yeah ..I`d contribute a few hours...

Its no time fer nationalism..

Japan will probally get indirect financial thru the G7 to prop up the Yen at some point ..fair enough,its a global market which we depend on s`well..we need a strong Japanese economy..

the yen is actually quite buoyant with the expectation that at some point all their industry will be taken back 'in-house'....it's us that ought to be worried about that....however, with a national debt of £194bn, they're not as rich as we all seem to believe."

Japan's national debt is high, much, much higher that the UK's for example but, as I said a couple of days ago, it's pretty much covered by domestic savings.

The savings trend amongst Japanese people and institutions isn't as prevalent as it was in the past but I can imagine this time of national disaster will rekindle their enthusiasm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Going back to the op's query....just to leave you with a story that is in the news out there at the moment of a 9yr old boy who has lost his family. having nothing else, he has drawn pictures of them and is walking the streets asking people if they have seen them

just adding a humanitarian slant to this debate as the actual real people seem to have been ignored slightly

i don't think the economy does need our help, but the numerous charities that want to assist and offer short term solutions such as food, water and shelter do need help

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

the way things are going.the tsunami in japan,a massive national disaster in itself .

now brings a potentially greater disaster.with the nuclear power plant,spreading radiation over vast areas.

this making the world doubt,the effectiveness,and safety aspects of nuclear power, for the future.

not good as most nations wordwide,are pinning there hopes on this power for the future.

this on top of the financial crisis.which already leaves economies, weak,vulnerable,and lacking in confidence.

then there's the unrest in the middle east,and north africa.already creating a fuel crisis,and spiraling prices.

we are not far from the perfect storm.

my heart goes out to the people of japan.i would work,the extra time if i thought it would help.

but i fear,we are close to a tipping point.where rather than giving help,we will be needing it ourselves.

i'll sign off, on that happy note.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We do live in very interesting times as some wit once said ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

cant exactly c a tsumani wipeing sellafield out? And where exactly wos japan when cumbria and south england flooded? Usa south flooded? Exactly! Lookin after there own as we should! Sad but they wudnt b helpimg us? Rest ov eu quiet ie belgium holland the soviet block states? Farmers here cant grow produce due to chernobyl fall out, dont c the the russians bail us out!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"cant exactly c a tsumani wipeing sellafield out? And where exactly wos japan when cumbria and south england flooded? Usa south flooded? Exactly! Lookin after there own as we should! Sad but they wudnt b helpimg us? Rest ov eu quiet ie belgium holland the soviet block states? Farmers here cant grow produce due to chernobyl fall out, dont c the the russians bail us out! "

you need to look at how much japan have pledge to foreign / humanitarian / international aid.

they used to be the top donators up to about 4 years ago, they are still in the top 5

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

realy? Didnt c them in iraq or sending lads to afghanistan ? No good us uk on our own again! Wheres the rest? Poles lithuaniuans indians carribeans? Thought not!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"realy? Didnt c them in iraq or sending lads to afghanistan ? No good us uk on our own again! Wheres the rest? Poles lithuaniuans indians carribeans? Thought not! "

they actually did send japanese troops into iraq in the mid-2000's...on a more humanitarian basis

the war was not only of their making, they will not be benefiting from it...yet, they still did charitable work there on a huge scale

japan are known as peacekeepers, it is their policy to not have an army bigger than necessary for the purpose of defending themselves. they will not create an army big enough to go to war

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so wernt they scrappin with us then? As for humanitirain aid etc, were always first in last out, northern ireland bosnia etc ? Wheres the rest ov eu? Ex soviet block ? Exactly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so wernt they scrappin with us then? As for humanitirain aid etc, were always first in last out, northern ireland bosnia etc ? Wheres the rest ov eu? Ex soviet block ? Exactly. "

who were scrapping with us and when?

are you referring to ww2? aren't we a few generations off from that?

you seem to have moved away from supporting japan and arguing over the soviet block and i'm not getting the link at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

never mentioned ww2? But its always us,british first in last out? My referance was too all other disasters, dont see many other countries helping out? As for soviet block, refer to the crappy countries awarded eu status but do nowt! do u c the asians usa, etc helping out, nooo thought not, fairs fair n we cant help or bail out the world

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"never mentioned ww2? But its always us,british first in last out? My referance was too all other disasters, dont see many other countries helping out? As for soviet block, refer to the crappy countries awarded eu status but do nowt! do u c the asians usa, etc helping out, nooo thought not, fairs fair n we cant help or bail out the world "

The USA have mobilised over 3,000 Marines and Navy who are based in Japan, they were on the news at lunchtime pulling bodies out of the wreckage. The USA have also sent an aircraft carrier to Japan and it is as we speak unloading Navy personnel to assist in the clear up.

So way off there......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"never mentioned ww2? But its always us,british first in last out? My referance was too all other disasters, dont see many other countries helping out? As for soviet block, refer to the crappy countries awarded eu status but do nowt! do u c the asians usa, etc helping out, nooo thought not, fairs fair n we cant help or bail out the world

The USA have mobilised over 3,000 Marines and Navy who are based in Japan, they were on the news at lunchtime pulling bodies out of the wreckage. The USA have also sent an aircraft carrier to Japan and it is as we speak unloading Navy personnel to assist in the clear up.

So way off there......"

That's probably exactly what's needed now. A large contingent of big strapping lads (and lassies) who know how to do what they're told.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's worth noting that 40 years ago, when these nuclear reactors in Fukushima were built, Japanese engineers ignored western experts that decreed the reactor containers were nowhere near thick enough to actually contain the cores. They were arrogant in their self belief that they knew what they were doing and completely disregarded reports that proved that the particular containments methods they were employing had known issues.

It seems they've now been found, and bitten, by the sting in the tail.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"It's worth noting that 40 years ago, when these nuclear reactors in Fukushima were built, Japanese engineers ignored western experts that decreed the reactor containers were nowhere near thick enough to actually contain the cores. They were arrogant in their self belief that they knew what they were doing and completely disregarded reports that proved that the particular containments methods they were employing had known issues.

It seems they've now been found, and bitten, by the sting in the tail."

Oh well,if that's the case then leave them to it, really - does that really matter now? Once again most of the posts are just not getting the humanitarian aspect of this disaster. Z

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By *ichNjudyCouple
over a year ago

stoke on trent


"Can ANYONE show me any request from Japan for money from this country?

Anything concrete will do....until then all bait.

They never even asked the UK for help, it was offered to them, they never came to us for ANYTHING."

The Japanese *have* asked for help - just google 'japanese tsunami charity' and you will find that the Japanese Red Cross have said they need donations.

We had a look a couple days ago when we wondered why there was no advertising on the TV like there was with Thailand Tsunami, when we made our donation at the bank.

Anyway we already made our donation and would suggest anyone one else wanting to do the same has a look

In respect - though we would not donate to countries who bring on their own problems due to civil war or simply having too many babies when it's obvious the territory can't provide enough food - we would always donate to this sort of disaster when a big wave or some other natural disaster came and took everything away.

Because at the end of the day that is no bodies fault and could happen *anywhere*. OK maybe not a Tsunami over here, but where and when is the next big meteor gonna hit the earth for example...

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

The Red Cross and the Red Crescent are an independent International organisation, they are affiliated to no governments.

So in fact no, the Japanese have not asked for financial contributions from other nations.

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By *ichNjudyCouple
over a year ago

stoke on trent

No prob

Doesn't mean you shouldn't donate if you feel you should

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

yes i have donated, as the japanese people have always stepped up to the plate and been very very generous in other world disasters.

If they need a short term leg up when knocked down its only fair isnt it,i thought that was the way in British culture.?

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