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"Just watched him on question time and he was an absolute joke . I don't even think the stay supporters liked the way he constantly interrupted and talked bullshit,Minot to mention he looked like an idiot"  | |||
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"I've never been a fan of his. He's right up there with Russell Brand in the Complete Fuckwit League." What's your thoughts on Russell Grant? | |||
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"I've never been a fan of his. He's right up there with Russell Brand in the Complete Fuckwit League. What's your thoughts on Russell Grant?" He has some wicked jumpers | |||
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"I've never been a fan of his. He's right up there with Russell Brand in the Complete Fuckwit League. What's your thoughts on Russell Grant? He has some wicked jumpers " On the whole EU debate.....I am disgusted that Russell Grant had been quiet on the issue. He must surely be the right person to predict what will happen if we vote to stay or we vote to go? ....or should we consult Mystic Meg? | |||
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"I've never been a fan of his. He's right up there with Russell Brand in the Complete Fuckwit League." | |||
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"I used to like him but he came across like a silly school boy...epic fail " I agree, the constant childish digs at Farage were cringeworthy. The audience (and probably most of the people watching at home) got very verbally fed up with the way he kept shouting over other people. I think Izzard may have inadvertently helped the Leave campaign tonight so I'm glad he was on the programme. Remain have shot themselves in the foot by putting him forward. | |||
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"So not doing a good job of talking about politics on the telly makes you a 'fucking prick'? I'd suggest his amazing work running marathons for charity is enough alone to make him not a 'fucking prick'. Jeez." Why does charity work mean somone is immune to being a prick? Somone could be the most annoying ass hat on the planet but run a marathon in a costume for charity and suddenly they must be lovley? They're still the annoying cunt they were they just did something they enjoy and other people weirdly gave money for them to do it | |||
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"So not doing a good job of talking about politics on the telly makes you a 'fucking prick'? I'd suggest his amazing work running marathons for charity is enough alone to make him not a 'fucking prick'. Jeez." Just had a look at the whole thread,you are the only one who's used the term..Fucking prick. | |||
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"So not doing a good job of talking about politics on the telly makes you a 'fucking prick'? I'd suggest his amazing work running marathons for charity is enough alone to make him not a 'fucking prick'. Jeez. Just had a look at the whole thread,you are the only one who's used the term..Fucking prick." Actually, the OP used the term in the thread title. | |||
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"I'd take him over the swivel eyed Farridge any day." Don't leave out inbred eyes.. | |||
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"So not doing a good job of talking about politics on the telly makes you a 'fucking prick'? I'd suggest his amazing work running marathons for charity is enough alone to make him not a 'fucking prick'. Jeez." Nobody ran more marathons for charity than Jimmy Savill  | |||
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"Made a tit of himself during the Scottish referendum aswell." At least he is consistent | |||
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"So not doing a good job of talking about politics on the telly makes you a 'fucking prick'? I'd suggest his amazing work running marathons for charity is enough alone to make him not a 'fucking prick'. Jeez. Nobody ran more marathons for charity than Jimmy Savill "Very true..... | |||
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"Acted and looked a right stupid cunt. Hope it helped the leave campaign. " He dresses for himself and his honesty in doing so is remarkable and fairly unique. | |||
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"Acted and looked a right stupid cunt. Hope it helped the leave campaign. He dresses for himself and his honesty in doing so is remarkable and fairly unique." I agree with you there. | |||
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"Acted and looked a right stupid cunt. Hope it helped the leave campaign. He dresses for himself and his honesty in doing so is remarkable and fairly unique." His image has always been nonconformist which I can understand but his attitude on QT really stank. I'm sure the programme producers knew he'd go after Farage like a dog with a bone which is probably why they sat them next to each other. I thought Farage put in a decent performance for once | |||
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"I'd take him over the swivel eyed Farridge any day." I didn't watch the programme, but I think you're absolutely right. Farage projects an image of being an 'ordinary bloke,' and an 'everyman politician,' publishing endless photos of himself in 'ordinary pubs' drinking pints with 'regular people.' Everyone seems to forget that Farage is an ex-Tory, a former public schoolboy, and a former City Trader and commodity broker. He's no more an 'ordinary chap' or a 'champion of the people' than Cameron or Miliband. He's cut from the same upper-class cloth. He's a total fraud who projects a specific public image in order to win votes. Give me Izzard any day of the week. | |||
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"So not doing a good job of talking about politics on the telly makes you a 'fucking prick'? I'd suggest his amazing work running marathons for charity is enough alone to make him not a 'fucking prick'. Jeez. Just had a look at the whole thread,you are the only one who's used the term..Fucking prick." Apart from the title of the thread. Oopsy | |||
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"So not doing a good job of talking about politics on the telly makes you a 'fucking prick'? I'd suggest his amazing work running marathons for charity is enough alone to make him not a 'fucking prick'. Jeez. Nobody ran more marathons for charity than Jimmy Savill " | |||
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""He's a total fraud who projects a specific public image in order to win votes" He's a better upper class toff than he is a politician then as he can't get himself elected to Westminster. "He did get himself elected to Europe though... | |||
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"I'd take him over the swivel eyed Farridge any day. I didn't watch the programme, but I think you're absolutely right. Farage projects an image of being an 'ordinary bloke,' and an 'everyman politician,' publishing endless photos of himself in 'ordinary pubs' drinking pints with 'regular people.' Everyone seems to forget that Farage is an ex-Tory, a former public schoolboy, and a former City Trader and commodity broker. He's no more an 'ordinary chap' or a 'champion of the people' than Cameron or Miliband. He's cut from the same upper-class cloth. He's a total fraud who projects a specific public image in order to win votes. Give me Izzard any day of the week." Remember folks its perfectly acceptable to judge a person by where they went to school. Kinds sucks for all those poor kids who went to schools with a bad rep but that's a small price to pay to let people have a cheap stick to beat those damn rich bastard with | |||
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"Too many people are falling into the trap of judging the personality and not the issue with all the referendum debates "
This.
To the point if saying "I won't vote in because I hate Cameron" or I won't vote out because I hate Farage."
Which is different to the weight you give to their argument, based on your assessment.
Or the sincerity of what they say.
Sadly there will be a lot of "Out" votes because of Cameron haters, and a lot of "in" votes because of Boris and Farage haters.
So the long term future of the country relies on which transitory person/ people ( who will be forgotten in about 2 years time) who is disliked the most.
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"Too many people are falling into the trap of judging the personality and not the issue with all the referendum debates " His points where terrible though. He did more to boost out than remain | |||
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"Too many people are falling into the trap of judging the personality and not the issue with all the referendum debates
This.
To the point if saying "I won't vote in because I hate Cameron" or I won't vote out because I hate Farage."
Which is different to the weight you give to their argument, based on your assessment.
Or the sincerity of what they say.
Sadly there will be a lot of "Out" votes because of Cameron haters, and a lot of "in" votes because of Boris and Farage haters.
So the long term future of the country relies on which transitory person/ people ( who will be forgotten in about 2 years time) who is disliked the most.
Sad really.
"Well if out wins whoever is in power for the next two years will certainly not be forgotten As they'd be the negotiators | |||
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"it's perfectly acceptable to judge a person by where they went to school. Kinda sucks for all those poor kids who went to schools with a bad rep but that's a small price to pay to let people have a cheap stick to beat those damn rich bastards with" Nice job of missing my point. I was not using Farage's public school background to 'bash the rich bastard.' I cited his background for one reason, and one reason only. Namely: that Farage makes odious attempts to portray himself as a 'champion of the ordinary British working man,' and 'no different from the average man in the street.' He claims to be a different breed of politician to Cameron and Miliband, even though he shares the same privileged public school background, and is a former member of the Conservative Party. He is, in short, an upper-class Toff masquerading as a 'working-class hero.' | |||
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"I'd take him over the swivel eyed Farridge any day. I didn't watch the programme, but I think you're absolutely right. Farage projects an image of being an 'ordinary bloke,' and an 'everyman politician,' publishing endless photos of himself in 'ordinary pubs' drinking pints with 'regular people.' Everyone seems to forget that Farage is an ex-Tory, a former public schoolboy, and a former City Trader and commodity broker. He's no more an 'ordinary chap' or a 'champion of the people' than Cameron or Miliband. He's cut from the same upper-class cloth. He's a total fraud who projects a specific public image in order to win votes. Give me Izzard any day of the week. Remember folks its perfectly acceptable to judge a person by where they went to school. Kinds sucks for all those poor kids who went to schools with a bad rep but that's a small price to pay to let people have a cheap stick to beat those damn rich bastard with" Let's also ignore the fact that he is more normal than Miliband or Corbyn because he did hold down a real job, Cameron's work experience is hardly extensive either. Farage is a great politician, I just disagree with everything he says. | |||
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"Too many people are falling into the trap of judging the personality and not the issue with all the referendum debates
This.
To the point if saying "I won't vote in because I hate Cameron" or I won't vote out because I hate Farage."
Which is different to the weight you give to their argument, based on your assessment.
Or the sincerity of what they say.
Sadly there will be a lot of "Out" votes because of Cameron haters, and a lot of "in" votes because of Boris and Farage haters.
So the long term future of the country relies on which transitory person/ people ( who will be forgotten in about 2 years time) who is disliked the most.
Sad really.
"I don't 'hate' Farage. I just think he's a hypocrite. Also, I won't be voting in the EU referendum, because I'm not from an EU member state. | |||
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" He claims to be a different breed of politician to Cameron and Miliband, even though he shares the same privileged public school background, and is a former member of the Conservative Party. " So other than his school your evidence is that he was a Tory? As in you can't be a working class Tory? | |||
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"Let's also ignore the fact that he is more normal than Miliband or Corbyn because he did hold down a real job, Cameron's work experience is hardly extensive either. Farage is a great politician, I just disagree with everything he says." Oh yes, that 'real job' in the City where, by his own admission, he traded and lost seven-figure sums and enjoyed two-hour lunch breaks... We've all done jobs like that! | |||
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" He claims to be a different breed of politician to Cameron and Miliband, even though he shares the same privileged public school background, and is a former member of the Conservative Party. So other than his school your evidence is that he was a Tory? As in you can't be a working class Tory? " He's no more 'working class' than I am! | |||
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"it's perfectly acceptable to judge a person by where they went to school. Kinda sucks for all those poor kids who went to schools with a bad rep but that's a small price to pay to let people have a cheap stick to beat those damn rich bastards with Nice job of missing my point. I was not using Farage's public school background to 'bash the rich bastard.' I cited his background for one reason, and one reason only. Namely: that Farage makes odious attempts to portray himself as a 'champion of the ordinary British working man,' and 'no different from the average man in the street.' He claims to be a different breed of politician to Cameron and Miliband, even though he shares the same privileged public school background, and is a former member of the Conservative Party. He is, in short, an upper-class Toff masquerading as a 'working-class hero.' " Ahh so your dragging up his, class, education and employment Was actually a commentary on how a person's class should decide thier life and ideals? No poor "wotking class hero" background type for instance should never get any uppity thoughts about becoming a politician or banker or tich in anyway. As theyd just be in short some working class deadbeat masquerading as a "successful over achiver"? This is fun. | |||
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"Call me a cynic, but he was sat next to farage in the hope that he would irritate him enough for farage to say something stupid. " If that was the tactic it backfired on Izzard and the remain campaign as it was Izzard who made himself look Foolish, petty and childish. | |||
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"Too many people are falling into the trap of judging the personality and not the issue with all the referendum debates
This.
To the point if saying "I won't vote in because I hate Cameron" or I won't vote out because I hate Farage."
Which is different to the weight you give to their argument, based on your assessment.
Or the sincerity of what they say.
Sadly there will be a lot of "Out" votes because of Cameron haters, and a lot of "in" votes because of Boris and Farage haters.
So the long term future of the country relies on which transitory person/ people ( who will be forgotten in about 2 years time) who is disliked the most.
Sad really.
I don't 'hate' Farage. I just think he's a hypocrite.
Also, I won't be voting in the EU referendum, because I'm not from an EU member state.""Damn those rich bastard only looking out for thier rich buddies." "Damn those rich bastards daring to represent the common working man." This kind of oversimplifying life down to basic "classes" is so handy, makes me know who to hate without even having to think. | |||
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"Call me a cynic, but he was sat next to farage in the hope that he would irritate him enough for farage to say something stupid. If that was the tactic it backfired on Izzard and the remain campaign as it was Izzard who made himself look Foolish, petty and childish. " Farage is used to baiting he fell for it a lot at the start of his career but he's been coached well to keep his cool and let the other person come off as a prick as they continually escalate | |||
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"I felt Farage seemed a lot more polished than before. His old self slipped out a few times but he quickly put a lid on it." Probbaly find a new pr firm in his last few months MEP expenses claim forms  | |||
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"No poor "working class hero" background type for instance should never get any uppity thoughts about becoming a politician or banker or rich in anyway. As theyd just be in short some working class deadbeat masquerading as a "successful over-achiever'" Where did I make that argument? Many working class people in this country have, through hard work and graft, gone on to achieve great things. I was at school and university with a lot of them. The point is that Farage is not a 'poor working-class hero.' Farage was born into privilege, received all the advantages of attending a posh school, and walked out of school into a cushy City job that paid him a fat salary. What struggles has he had to overcome in order to be successful? What barriers did he have to break down? This country has produced many 'working class heroes,' but Farage, like Marie Antoinette, is a rich bastard pretending to be 'working class.' | |||
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"Too many people are falling into the trap of judging the personality and not the issue with all the referendum debates
This.
To the point if saying "I won't vote in because I hate Cameron" or I won't vote out because I hate Farage."
Which is different to the weight you give to their argument, based on your assessment.
Or the sincerity of what they say.
Sadly there will be a lot of "Out" votes because of Cameron haters, and a lot of "in" votes because of Boris and Farage haters.
So the long term future of the country relies on which transitory person/ people ( who will be forgotten in about 2 years time) who is disliked the most.
Sad really.
I don't 'hate' Farage. I just think he's a hypocrite.
Also, I won't be voting in the EU referendum, because I'm not from an EU member state.
"Damn those rich bastard only looking out for thier rich buddies."
"Damn those rich bastards daring to represent the common working man."
This kind of oversimplifying life down to basic "classes" is so handy, makes me know who to hate without even having to think.
"Farage does not 'represent the common working man.' He curries favour with working class voters purely because they represent a big chunk of untapped voting power. I have no problem with a rich man trying to better the lot of the working people. What I object to is a rich man pretending that his privileged background, wealth and influence do not matter, and that he is still 'just an ordinary bloke.' | |||
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"I'd take him over the swivel eyed Farridge any day. I didn't watch the programme, but I think you're absolutely right. Farage projects an image of being an 'ordinary bloke,' and an 'everyman politician,' publishing endless photos of himself in 'ordinary pubs' drinking pints with 'regular people.' Everyone seems to forget that Farage is an ex-Tory, a former public schoolboy, and a former City Trader and commodity broker. He's no more an 'ordinary chap' or a 'champion of the people' than Cameron or Miliband. He's cut from the same upper-class cloth. He's a total fraud who projects a specific public image in order to win votes. Give me Izzard any day of the week." Rich people in ordinary pubs, what ever next. | |||
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"I'd take him over the swivel eyed Farridge any day. I didn't watch the programme, but I think you're absolutely right. Farage projects an image of being an 'ordinary bloke,' and an 'everyman politician,' publishing endless photos of himself in 'ordinary pubs' drinking pints with 'regular people.' Everyone seems to forget that Farage is an ex-Tory, a former public schoolboy, and a former City Trader and commodity broker. He's no more an 'ordinary chap' or a 'champion of the people' than Cameron or Miliband. He's cut from the same upper-class cloth. He's a total fraud who projects a specific public image in order to win votes. Give me Izzard any day of the week. Rich people in ordinary pubs, what ever next. " No, the problem is rich people like Farage using photos of themselves in 'ordinary pubs' in order to pretend that they're 'ordinary blokes.' Maybe I'm being too cynical; maybe Farage truly does sympathise with the working man; personally, though, I doubt that very much... | |||
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"No poor "working class hero" background type for instance should never get any uppity thoughts about becoming a politician or banker or rich in anyway. As theyd just be in short some working class deadbeat masquerading as a "successful over-achiever' Where did I make that argument? Many working class people in this country have, through hard work and graft, gone on to achieve great things." Like Mrs Thatcher. | |||
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"I'd take him over the swivel eyed Farridge any day. I didn't watch the programme, but I think you're absolutely right. Farage projects an image of being an 'ordinary bloke,' and an 'everyman politician,' publishing endless photos of himself in 'ordinary pubs' drinking pints with 'regular people.' Everyone seems to forget that Farage is an ex-Tory, a former public schoolboy, and a former City Trader and commodity broker. He's no more an 'ordinary chap' or a 'champion of the people' than Cameron or Miliband. He's cut from the same upper-class cloth. He's a total fraud who projects a specific public image in order to win votes. Give me Izzard any day of the week. Rich people in ordinary pubs, what ever next. No, the problem is rich people like Farage using photos of themselves in 'ordinary pubs' in order to pretend that they're 'ordinary blokes.' Maybe I'm being too cynical; maybe Farage truly does sympathise with the working man; personally, though, I doubt that very much..." More so than any other leader of a party that has more than a million votes... | |||
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"No poor "working class hero" background type for instance should never get any uppity thoughts about becoming a politician or banker or rich in anyway. As theyd just be in short some working class deadbeat masquerading as a "successful over-achiever' Where did I make that argument? Many working class people in this country have, through hard work and graft, gone on to achieve great things. Like Mrs Thatcher. " Depends on how you look at it: Her supporters tend to portray her as the daughter of a humble greengrocer who rose to become Head Girl of her local Grammar School and get into Oxford on a Scholarship. Her detractors point to the fact that her father wasn't just a 'humble greengrocer,' but a successful business owner and prominent local politician (he was an Alderman and Mayor.) They also highlight the fact that Thatcher was president of the Oxford University Conservative Association, which gave her political career a huge kickstart. On that basis, you can't really say that she was any more of a 'working class hero' than Farage. Like any politician, she cultivated a very specific public image, and it paid off. | |||
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"Too many people are falling into the trap of judging the personality and not the issue with all the referendum debates " Yup. But that tactic worked out well at the last election, no reason that folk won't try it again. | |||
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"No poor "working class hero" background type for instance should never get any uppity thoughts about becoming a politician or banker or rich in anyway. As theyd just be in short some working class deadbeat masquerading as a "successful over-achiever' Where did I make that argument? '" Its your exact argument just with the rich and the poor person swapped. Thing is you're so bigoted you cant actually see that. Which is why SJW bigots are ao much fun. | |||
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"Too many people are falling into the trap of judging the personality and not the issue with all the referendum debates
This.
To the point if saying "I won't vote in because I hate Cameron" or I won't vote out because I hate Farage."
Which is different to the weight you give to their argument, based on your assessment.
Or the sincerity of what they say.
Sadly there will be a lot of "Out" votes because of Cameron haters, and a lot of "in" votes because of Boris and Farage haters.
So the long term future of the country relies on which transitory person/ people ( who will be forgotten in about 2 years time) who is disliked the most.
Sad really.
I don't 'hate' Farage. I just think he's a hypocrite.
Also, I won't be voting in the EU referendum, because I'm not from an EU member state.
"Damn those rich bastard only looking out for thier rich buddies."
"Damn those rich bastards daring to represent the common working man."
This kind of oversimplifying life down to basic "classes" is so handy, makes me know who to hate without even having to think.
Farage does not 'represent the common working man.' He curries favour with working class voters purely because they represent a big chunk of untapped voting power.
I have no problem with a rich man trying to better the lot of the working people. What I object to is a rich man pretending that his privileged background, wealth and influence do not matter, and that he is still 'just an ordinary bloke.'"So he is representing them. By "curry favour" you mean "do what they want". And the second paragraph is so hilarious. Change "rich" or "tory" in your posts to an ethnic group and you've basicaly got a hate crime. | |||
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"Its your exact argument just with the rich and the poor person swapped." Swapping the people around is ridiculous. A poor person who has aspirations to better themselves and improve their lot in life, and who achieves success through hard work is not 'masquerading as an over-achiever.' A rich man who goes around pretending to be 'shoulder to shoulder with the workers,' in spite of having everything handed to them on a plate and enjoyed every advantage possible, is a totally different matter. | |||
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" So he is representing them. By "curry favour" you mean "do what they want". And the second paragraph is so hilarious. Change "rich" or "tory" in your posts to an ethnic group and you've basicaly got a hate crime." Farage is not 'representing the working man.' He can no more represent them than I can represent women or people from ethnic minority groups. I can sympathise with them, I can support their cause, but I cannot 'represent' them. Farage cultivates the image of a 'man of the people' when he is, in reality, no different to Cameron, Miliband or any of the others. Also, nothing I've said constitutes a 'hate crime,' because I'm not preaching 'hate' against the rich. I'm simply making the point that Farage, contrary to the image he projects, has enjoyed a life of privilege and advantage that is a world away from the life experience of many of those he claims to 'represent.' | |||
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"No poor "working class hero" background type for instance should never get any uppity thoughts about becoming a politician or banker or rich in anyway. As theyd just be in short some working class deadbeat masquerading as a "successful over-achiever'" How can someone who's worked hard to better themselves and risen above their origins in order to become successful be called a 'deadbeat'? Working hard and is the very antithesis of being a 'deadbeat.' A person like Farage pretending to be 'working class' is masquerading because they are attempting to conceal the fact that they have got where they are, not solely through hard work and graft, but as a result of privilege and patronage. It's like Trump pretending to be a 'self-made man' when he inherited a huge chunk of his wealth from his father. | |||
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"Too many people are falling into the trap of judging the personality and not the issue with all the referendum debates
This.
To the point if saying "I won't vote in because I hate Cameron" or I won't vote out because I hate Farage."
Which is different to the weight you give to their argument, based on your assessment.
Or the sincerity of what they say.
Sadly there will be a lot of "Out" votes because of Cameron haters, and a lot of "in" votes because of Boris and Farage haters.
So the long term future of the country relies on which transitory person/ people ( who will be forgotten in about 2 years time) who is disliked the most.
Sad really.
I don't 'hate' Farage. I just think he's a hypocrite.
Also, I won't be voting in the EU referendum, because I'm not from an EU member state.
"Damn those rich bastard only looking out for thier rich buddies."
"Damn those rich bastards daring to represent the common working man."
This kind of oversimplifying life down to basic "classes" is so handy, makes me know who to hate without even having to think.
Farage does not 'represent the common working man.' He curries favour with working class voters purely because they represent a big chunk of untapped voting power.
I have no problem with a rich man trying to better the lot of the working people. What I object to is a rich man pretending that his privileged background, wealth and influence do not matter, and that he is still 'just an ordinary bloke.'
So he is representing them.
By "curry favour" you mean "do what they want".
And the second paragraph is so hilarious.
Change "rich" or "tory" in your posts to an ethnic group and you've basicaly got a hate crime." | |||
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"I've never been a fan of his. He's right up there with Russell Brand in the Complete Fuckwit League." Too right dont get me started on russell fucking retard Brand | |||
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"I quite like Eddie Izzard,i disagree with him over the EU although he seems genuine enough in his thoughts, I haven't watched much politics recently because I'm a bit sick of the referendum talk so I can't really comment on his QT performance" I can't deal with hearing one more wanker say "we haven't been given the facts". There are no facts about future politics you fucking morons. | |||
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"I've never been a fan of his. He's right up there with Russell Brand in the Complete Fuckwit League. you could put Keith lemon on that list to Oh yeah. Forgot about that tit. He's about as funny as runny poo." How dare you! He's a one trick pony but bo selecta was awesome in its day. | |||
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"Its your exact argument just with the rich and the poor person swapped. Swapping the people around is ridiculous. A poor person who has aspirations to better themselves and improve their lot in life, and who achieves success through hard work is not 'masquerading as an over-achiever.' A rich man who goes around pretending to be 'shoulder to shoulder with the workers,' in spite of having everything handed to them on a plate and enjoyed every advantage possible, is a totally different matter." Having read your posts im just a little curious as to your opinion on the 2nd viscount stansgate? How would he fit in? | |||
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"I'd take him over the swivel eyed Farridge any day. I didn't watch the programme, but I think you're absolutely right. Farage projects an image of being an 'ordinary bloke,' and an 'everyman politician,' publishing endless photos of himself in 'ordinary pubs' drinking pints with 'regular people.' Everyone seems to forget that Farage is an ex-Tory, a former public schoolboy, and a former City Trader and commodity broker. He's no more an 'ordinary chap' or a 'champion of the people' than Cameron or Miliband. He's cut from the same upper-class cloth. He's a total fraud who projects a specific public image in order to win votes. Give me Izzard any day of the week."
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"Just watched him on question time and he was an absolute joke . I don't even think the stay supporters liked the way he constantly interrupted and talked bullshit,Minot to mention he looked like an idiot" Agree, he came across as a complete bell end. | |||
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" Nice job of missing my point. I was not using Farage's public school background to 'bash the rich bastard.' I cited his background for one reason, and one reason only. Namely: that Farage makes odious attempts to portray himself as a 'champion of the ordinary British working man,' and 'no different from the average man in the street.' He claims to be a different breed of politician to Cameron and Miliband, even though he shares the same privileged public school background, and is a former member of the Conservative Party. He is, in short, an upper-class Toff masquerading as a 'working-class hero.' " So using your thesis where does that put Milliband who was Labour's leader? The only difference between him and Farage is that a) he was never a Tory and b) he has never held down a proper job. So Farage went to a public school? So what? And he was a metals trader earning a living by his wits and skills? So what? And OMG ... he was a ... TORY!! Lefties make me smile when they play the Class Card. We used to see Milliband and Balls pointing at the Tory front Bench calling them all 'millionaires' when there were more 'millionaires' on the Labour Front Bench! And Milliband squirrelled more money away from Inheritance Tax than Farage ever will. And lets not forget if it wasn't for Farage and UKIP we would never have been given this Referendum at all by the Tories or Labour or Liberal or Greens.... Some 4 million people voted for Farage's UKIP last May (they were the third largest party by votes) - 2.5 million more than voted for the SNP and they got 56 MPs. So whatever YOU think of Farage many people agree with his views and do not agree with your rather outdated class war views. | |||
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"I'd take him over the swivel eyed Farridge any day. I didn't watch the programme, but I think you're absolutely right. Farage projects an image of being an 'ordinary bloke,' and an 'everyman politician,' publishing endless photos of himself in 'ordinary pubs' drinking pints with 'regular people.' Everyone seems to forget that Farage is an ex-Tory, a former public schoolboy, and a former City Trader and commodity broker. He's no more an 'ordinary chap' or a 'champion of the people' than Cameron or Miliband. He's cut from the same upper-class cloth. He's a total fraud who projects a specific public image in order to win votes. Give me Izzard any day of the week.
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"You seem to confuse 'being successful' and class. A working class person who goes to Oxford and does well is still working class. Working class doesn't mean you are a failure or that as soon as your income gets over a certain level then you can't be called working class. Lord Sugar, Wayne Rooney, Charlie Mullins - all successful working class people. " I never said that being successful and being working class are incompatible. I also never said that being working class meant that you were a failure. I am well aware that a lot of working class people have attended Oxbridge and become successful. My only point, as far as Thatcher is concerned, is that her PR team depicted her as coming from far more 'humble' origins than was the reality. There's a big difference between a person whose father works as a shopkeeper; and one whose father owns several shops, and serves on the local Council and as Mayor. However, your argument that you can still be called working class, regardless of your income, is flawed. Income is still used as one of the major factors for determining class. Lord Sugar, for instance, can certainly be proud of his working class origins, especially given the fact that he has got where he is today by his own efforts, rather than relying on inherited money. However, the fact remains that Sugar is a Peer of the Realm and one of the 100 richest men in the country. He is therefore firmly within the 'Elite' (the term now used for the upper echelon of the upper class.) Acknowledging the existence of class mobility is not the same as calling someone a 'failure' if they remain in the class into which they are born. | |||
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" Farage is the vile prick here. Eddie is decent, honest and caring - a rarity now " On that programme last night Izzard was a gobby moron who interrupted anyone with whom he disagreed. He became a bore. To the point where people in the audience told him to 'shut up'. It was Izzard playing the migrant games with Farage so he should be ashamed. That does not detract from his excellent charity work in any way. And his sexuality is totally irrelevant IMHO. Now you call Farage a 'vile prick'. So can I challenge you to give a clear reason for your saying that? Exactly what has Farage done to deserve that insult? | |||
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"No poor "working class hero" background type for instance should never get any uppity thoughts about becoming a politician or banker or rich in anyway. As theyd just be in short some working class deadbeat masquerading as a "successful over-achiever' Where did I make that argument? ' Its your exact argument just with the rich and the poor person swapped. Thing is you're so bigoted you cant actually see that. Which is why SJW bigots are ao much fun. "Hey, if you change the words you've used so that they say something else, the meaning of what you've said is entirely different!" Well I never "No dear groups. Fun thing to try if youre going to make a statement about any group (ploticial, or socioeconomic class) Sub in "blacks" or "jews" instead of "torys" "rich" "toffs" etc. If it then becomes a statement youd find abhorrent you can see why it would make you a bigot. But with the SJW crowd there are groups you can attack freely example "Rich bankers are all thieving cunts" Is something that is seemingly acceptable. So lets sub in some other groups "Poor blacks are all thieving cunts" Hmmmmm not quite so acceptable now is it? | |||
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" So using your thesis where does that put Milliband who was Labour's leader? The only difference between him and Farage is that a) he was never a Tory and b) he has never held down a proper job. So Farage went to a public school? So what? And he was a metals trader earning a living by his wits and skills? So what?" First, 4 million people may have voted UKIP at the last election; that doesn't mean that they were voting UKIP because they think Farage is a great politician. A lot of people voted UKIP because of disaffection with the 'mainstream' parties. Also, you accuse me of having 'outdated' ideas about class warfare. Where did I even mention that concept? I suppose you're expecting me to break into a chorus of 'The Red Flag' next? As for the two So Whats? I fail to see why Farage's public school background is irrelevant. Someone who attends an affluent, elite public school receives a far more advantageous education than someone attending a grammar or a comprehensive. That's part of the reason why Oxbridge and other top universities remain so heavily-populated by graduates of the public schools. Ditto, if we're classifying Farage's job as a City Trader as a 'proper' job, then Miliband's early career as a political researcher is no less of one. Far from earning money 'by his wit and skills,' Farage is on record as saying that his job involved 'losing his employer seven-figure sums before lunchtime,' and enjoying two-hour lunchbreaks. Hardly a 'proper' job... | |||
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"No poor "working class hero" background type for instance should never get any uppity thoughts about becoming a politician or banker or rich in anyway. As theyd just be in short some working class deadbeat masquerading as a "successful over-achiever' Where did I make that argument? Many working class people in this country have, through hard work and graft, gone on to achieve great things. Like Mrs Thatcher. Depends on how you look at it: Her supporters tend to portray her as the daughter of a humble greengrocer who rose to become Head Girl of her local Grammar School and get into Oxford on a Scholarship. Her detractors point to the fact that her father wasn't just a 'humble greengrocer,' but a successful business owner and prominent local politician (he was an Alderman and Mayor.) They also highlight the fact that Thatcher was president of the Oxford University Conservative Association, which gave her political career a huge kickstart. On that basis, you can't really say that she was any more of a 'working class hero' than Farage. Like any politician, she cultivated a very specific public image, and it paid off. I like your analysis but can't follow your conclusion. You seem to confuse 'being successful' and class. A working class person who goes to Oxford and does well is still working class. Working class doesn't mean you are a failure or that as soon as your income gets over a certain level then you can't be called working class. Lord Sugar, Wayne Rooney, Charlie Mullins - all successful working class people. " Personally I'd disagree. I'd say working class means you are employed in some form of physical labour, unskilled, trade or skilled. Its not an inherited trait. They may have a working class background but they are no longer working class. For instance i have a very middle class background but am now working class. My brother on the other hand has moved to the much more upper end of middle class if not higher by the time he retires. | |||
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" A person like Farage pretending to be 'working class' is masquerading because they are attempting to conceal the fact that they have got where they are, not solely through hard work and graft, but as a result of privilege and patronage. " Oh really? * His father left home an alcoholic when Nigel was 5 years old. He therefore comes from a broken home and a single parent family background. * Farage went to Dulwich and his school mates ranged from wealthy banker sons to coal merchants sons. You may like to read up on 'The Dulwich Experiment' where the Labour Government funded bright pupils with bursaries and scholarships. Eton it was NOT! * You mention University and Farage and attempt to link the two. But on leaving school in 1982 he decided not to go to university and to work in the City trading commodities at the London Metal Exchange. Aged 18. * And a Tory? Yes from his school days but in 1989 he voted Green for their "sensible and Eurosceptic policies". (How THEY have changed!). * Farage formally disowned the Tories in '92 after John Major signed the Maastricht Treaty and helped found UKIP in '93. So you castigate a man from a broken home and a single parent family, who went to a scholarship aided school before going out to work aged 18. A man who never went to Oxford or any other University, flirted with Conservatism for 10 years during which he voted Green. A man who gave up a well paid career he had built from nothing to follow the dream of Brexit and has been the main driver of UKIP for 24 years. So forgive me but personally I think your comments are both misleading and pretty damn insulting saying he knows nothing about 'working class people'. | |||
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".No dear groups. Fun thing to try if you're going to make a statement about any group (political, or socioeconomic class)" That argument would appear accurate, but there's a serious problem. Namely, that I never claimed that my statements applied to 'rich people' as a group. I was attacking ONE person - Nigel Farage - for what I personally believe to be an act of political gamesmanship. You are claiming that, based on the following: Premise A - Nigel Farage is a Toff Premise B - Nigel Farage is rich Premise C - Nigel Farage is a Tory My conclusion is: All Tories are rich Toffs. Actually, my conclusion is: Nigel Farage is a rich, Tory toff. You cannot take a conclusion about one man, and apply it to the whole group. | |||
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" Actually, my conclusion is: Nigel Farage is a rich, Tory toff. " From which I can only conclude you are either d*unk or a bigotted old Socialist trying to throw smears at a man with whom you disagree politically. Instead of debating the issues (of Brexit) you make offensive personal attacks on the man .... Actually my conclusion is you are a Leftie and they never change. | |||
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" Actually, my conclusion is: Nigel Farage is a rich, Tory toff. From which I can only conclude you are either d*unk or a bigotted old Socialist trying to throw smears at a man with whom you disagree politically. Instead of debating the issues (of Brexit) you make offensive personal attacks on the man .... Actually my conclusion is you are a Leftie and they never change. "Again, your conclusion is quite wrong. I'm a slightly right-of-centre Independent with a social conscience. | |||
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"I like your analysis but can't follow your conclusion. You seem to confuse 'being successful' and class. A working class person who goes to Oxford and does well is still working class. Working class doesn't mean you are a failure or that as soon as your income gets over a certain level then you can't be called working class. Lord Sugar, Wayne Rooney, Charlie Mullins - all successful working class people. Personally I'd disagree. I'd say working class means you are employed in some form of physical labour, unskilled, trade or skilled. Its not an inherited trait. They may have a working class background but they are no longer working class." Well Wolf, at least we agree on one thing. Precisely why I don't see Farage as 'working class.' A City Trader is not 'unskilled physical labour,' nor is it a 'skilled trade;' it is an occupation traditionally associated with the 'middle class' or 'mercantile elite.' | |||
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"300 years ago in this country every thieving c**t was white Anglo Saxon. " Never heard of Normans or Danes? both Nations conquered the Anglo-Saxons. two thirds of this country was under the danelaw before Cnut finally became King. Harold Godwinson was THE LAST Anglo_Saxon King ever before William conquered England. Most Kings after that were French! Even the Anglo-Saxons were germanic tribes , Our own royal family changed it's name from saxe-coburg gotha to windor. All very European | |||
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"300 years ago in this country every thieving c**t was white Anglo Saxon. Never heard of Normans or Danes? both Nations conquered the Anglo-Saxons. two thirds of this country was under the danelaw before Cnut finally became King. Harold Godwinson was THE LAST Anglo_Saxon King ever before William conquered England. Most Kings after that were French! Even the Anglo-Saxons were germanic tribes , Our own royal family changed it's name from saxe-coburg gotha to windor. All very European" Ok, 800 years ago then. I know uk history but didn't think it would be called for on a swinging site. I'm glad you know it too. | |||
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"No poor "working class hero" background type for instance should never get any uppity thoughts about becoming a politician or banker or rich in anyway. As theyd just be in short some working class deadbeat masquerading as a "successful over-achiever' Where did I make that argument? Many working class people in this country have, through hard work and graft, gone on to achieve great things. Like Mrs Thatcher. Depends on how you look at it: Her supporters tend to portray her as the daughter of a humble greengrocer who rose to become Head Girl of her local Grammar School and get into Oxford on a Scholarship. Her detractors point to the fact that her father wasn't just a 'humble greengrocer,' but a successful business owner and prominent local politician (he was an Alderman and Mayor.) They also highlight the fact that Thatcher was president of the Oxford University Conservative Association, which gave her political career a huge kickstart. On that basis, you can't really say that she was any more of a 'working class hero' than Farage. Like any politician, she cultivated a very specific public image, and it paid off. I like your analysis but can't follow your conclusion. You seem to confuse 'being successful' and class. A working class person who goes to Oxford and does well is still working class. Working class doesn't mean you are a failure or that as soon as your income gets over a certain level then you can't be called working class. Lord Sugar, Wayne Rooney, Charlie Mullins - all successful working class people. Personally I'd disagree. I'd say working class means you are employed in some form of physical labour, unskilled, trade or skilled. Its not an inherited trait. They may have a working class background but they are no longer working class. For instance i have a very middle class background but am now working class. My brother on the other hand has moved to the much more upper end of middle class if not higher by the time he retires. " Disagree with both of you and if wyne rooney's job isn't physical labour then I don't know what is!! You are born into class and it's very difficult to change, income as class are barely related. If you've met an upper class person who is living a subsistence life to try and make it as an actor - you can tell. If you met Wayne Rooney in a first class on a 787 but didn't recognise him then you'd assume he was a plain clothed policeman. Bottom line is that many of those working class jobs still need leaders. Just because you stop being a plumber and start managing other plumbers, doesn't change your class. | |||
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"300 years ago in this country every thieving c**t was white Anglo Saxon. Never heard of Normans or Danes? both Nations conquered the Anglo-Saxons. two thirds of this country was under the danelaw before Cnut finally became King. Harold Godwinson was THE LAST Anglo_Saxon King ever before William conquered England. Most Kings after that were French! Even the Anglo-Saxons were germanic tribes , Our own royal family changed it's name from saxe-coburg gotha to windor. All very European Ok, 800 years ago then. I know uk history but didn't think it would be called for on a swinging site. I'm glad you know it too. "Speaking as someone from the kingdom of wessex, your premise has been defeated | |||
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"13k a term education is a privileged background. Hardly working class. " That might well be true without a Scholarship. However the fees you quoted are the maximum for a 7 day a week boarder per term: £13,160. I am sure your failing to mention this was just a slip of memory. Let me help you further: 5 day a week boarders: £12,339 Day Students: £6,305 For clarity these are the fees for next year. Not the fees of the 1970s. So young Nigel went to a very good school and then went on to work straight from school. Why can't a 'Working Class' lad do that? And why can't anyone represent the Working Class well? After all the millionaires and well offs in the Labour Party have been foisting that on the electorate for decades. So thats OK then.... | |||
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"Farage went to Dulwich and his school mates ranged from wealthy banker sons to coal merchants sons. You may like to read up on 'The Dulwich Experiment' where the Labour Government funded bright pupils with bursaries and scholarships. Eton it was NOT!" Indeed, in his autobiography, he states "there were boys like me - white, MIDDLE CLASS, whose fathers worked in the City - but also a huge number who had won scholarships and bursaries covered by the local authorities." So, while Farage may have attended a 'scholarship-assisted school, it would appear that, in spite of coming from a 'broken, single-parent household,' he attended as a normal fee-paying student, not a scholar. | |||
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"So young Nigel went to a very good school and then went on to work straight from school. Why can't a 'Working Class' lad do that?" A working class lad can do that. Lord Sugar did even better: he left his bog-standard local Secondary School at age 16, and started his first company a short time later with his £50 savings. My point is that Nigel Farage IS NOT a 'working class lad.' How do we know this? From no better source than Farage himself. A quote from his autobiography: "[at Dulwich] there were boys like me - white, MIDDLE CLASS, whose fathers worked in the City - as well as a huge number of boys who had won scholarships and bursaries covered by the Local Authorities." | |||
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"Jess fucking Christmas what does it matter how his parents afforded to pay for his schooling, I'm guessing it was his parent choice where to send and what parent doesn't send thier kids to the best school they can? This is why politics bores the shit out of me. It's never about the facts, it's about who can dig the furthest and find the juiciest morsel to undermine regardless of Wat they are all doing now. I'm not saying I like farage and what he stands for but why can't politics just be about about the policies and not where someone went on holiday in 1978 and how they fucking paid for it! "Amen .... Amen .... | |||
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"Jess fucking Christmas what does it matter how his parents afforded to pay for his schooling, I'm guessing it was his parent choice where to send and what parent doesn't send thier kids to the best school they can? This is why politics bores the shit out of me. It's never about the facts, it's about who can dig the furthest and find the juiciest morsel to undermine regardless of Wat they are all doing now. I'm not saying I like farage and what he stands for but why can't politics just be about about the policies and not where someone went on holiday in 1978 and how they fucking paid for it! "Because then labour and conservative wouldn't dominate elections anymore! It suits them both to have a bunch of northern monkeys and southern fairies who will vote for the party their parents told them to and they'll fight over the occasional swing voter. If people actually went back to basics and listened to the policies before deciding who to vote for then we'd have anarchy. | |||
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"Disagree with both of you and if wyne rooney's job isn't physical labour then I don't know what is!! You are born into class and it's very difficult to change, income as class are barely related. Bottom line is that many of those working class jobs still need leaders. Just because you stop being a plumber and start managing other plumbers, doesn't change your class. " If money and class are 'unrelated,' why is the first question on the 'Great British Class Calculator' "What is your annual household income after taxes?" If a plumber who starts managing other plumbers doesn't 'change his class,' why does the Office for National Statistics differentiate between 'Skilled Manual Workers' and various levels of 'Managerial Workers'? | |||
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"Jess fucking Christmas what does it matter how his parents afforded to pay for his schooling, I'm guessing it was his parent choice where to send and what parent doesn't send thier kids to the best school they can? This is why politics bores the shit out of me. It's never about the facts, it's about who can dig the furthest and find the juiciest morsel to undermine regardless of Wat they are all doing now. I'm not saying I like farage and what he stands for but why can't politics just be about about the policies and not where someone went on holiday in 1978 and how they fucking paid for it!
Because then labour and conservative wouldn't dominate elections anymore! It suits them both to have a bunch of northern monkeys and southern fairies who will vote for the party their parents told them to and they'll fight over the occasional swing voter. If people actually went back to basics and listened to the policies before deciding who to vote for then we'd have anarchy. ". Did you say anarchy!! 
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"300 years ago in this country every thieving c**t was white Anglo Saxon. Never heard of Normans or Danes? both Nations conquered the Anglo-Saxons. two thirds of this country was under the danelaw before Cnut finally became King. Harold Godwinson was THE LAST Anglo_Saxon King ever before William conquered England. Most Kings after that were French! Even the Anglo-Saxons were germanic tribes , Our own royal family changed it's name from saxe-coburg gotha to windor. All very European Ok, 800 years ago then. I know uk history but didn't think it would be called for on a swinging site. I'm glad you know it too.
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"Disagree with both of you and if wyne rooney's job isn't physical labour then I don't know what is!! You are born into class and it's very difficult to change, income as class are barely related. Bottom line is that many of those working class jobs still need leaders. Just because you stop being a plumber and start managing other plumbers, doesn't change your class. If money and class are 'unrelated,' why is the first question on the 'Great British Class Calculator' "What is your annual household income after taxes?" " Because you designed it? Most people have never changed class or really mixed with any class other than their own and don't properly understand the concept. If class and income are the same then we can just retire the word 'class' because we don't need two labels that describe the same thing. Just watch Titanic and that will explain it better than I can... | |||
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"300 years ago in this country every thieving c**t was white Anglo Saxon. Never heard of Normans or Danes? both Nations conquered the Anglo-Saxons. two thirds of this country was under the danelaw before Cnut finally became King. Harold Godwinson was THE LAST Anglo_Saxon King ever before William conquered England. Most Kings after that were French! Even the Anglo-Saxons were germanic tribes , Our own royal family changed it's name from saxe-coburg gotha to windor. All very European Ok, 800 years ago then. I know uk history but didn't think it would be called for on a swinging site. I'm glad you know it too.
Speaking as someone from the kingdom of wessex, your premise has been defeated Just like the English were, by the Normans and Danes"In certain parts, the Normans never took Wales | |||
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"Jess fucking Christmas what does it matter how his parents afforded to pay for his schooling, I'm guessing it was his parent choice where to send and what parent doesn't send thier kids to the best school they can? This is why politics bores the shit out of me. It's never about the facts, it's about who can dig the furthest and find the juiciest morsel to undermine regardless of Wat they are all doing now. I'm not saying I like farage and what he stands for but why can't politics just be about about the policies and not where someone went on holiday in 1978 and how they fucking paid for it!
Because then labour and conservative wouldn't dominate elections anymore! It suits them both to have a bunch of northern monkeys and southern fairies who will vote for the party their parents told them to and they'll fight over the occasional swing voter. If people actually went back to basics and listened to the policies before deciding who to vote for then we'd have anarchy. .
Did you say anarchy!!
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"He harbours a utopic ideology .That does not make him a prick. Being a prick makes him a prick. That has nothing to do with anyone's ideology What maketh a prick? That is the question. " His prickish attitude and demeanour His policies have nothing to do with how he acts | |||
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Speaking as someone from the kingdom of wessex, your premise has been defeated Just like the English were, by the Normans and Danes
In certain parts, the Normans never took Wales Yeah you Kind of missed the point of the use of the Word English there lol"Yeah but there is no real English at that time! Wessex was full of German-ish immigrants and the other 2 got f'ed up by Vikings then the French. The oldest British cultures are the celts. Ironically national identity is a relatively new concept... | |||
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"I'm not saying I like farage and what he stands for but why can't politics just be about about the policies and not where someone went on holiday in 1978 and how they fucking paid for it! I agree with you on that much. If people voted purely on policies and issues, not personalities, we'd not be in danger of that idiot Trump becoming US President. Because people are buying into his 'Messianic' public image, a man who has never held public office, and has no military experience, is set to become the Head of State and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the most powerful nation on earth..." He's not set to become it at all, Clinton is much more likely to get elected. The odds on him winning are the same as Brexit: 25-30% | |||
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"Let me see if I have this right, Farage is being attacked for being middle class but Izzard is being defended because he is middle class?" I never said anything about Izzard...I simply stated that I would prefer him to a man like Farage: a man who declares himself to be 'middle class,' yet takes every opportunity he can to project a public image of being a 'working class hero.' | |||
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"I'm not saying I like farage and what he stands for but why can't politics just be about about the policies and not where someone went on holiday in 1978 and how they fucking paid for it! I agree with you on that much. If people voted purely on policies and issues, not personalities, we'd not be in danger of that idiot Trump becoming US President. Because people are buying into his 'Messianic' public image, a man who has never held public office, and has no military experience, is set to become the Head of State and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the most powerful nation on earth... He's not set to become it at all, Clinton is much more likely to get elected. The odds on him winning are the same as Brexit: 25-30%" A far better chance than UKIP has of ever getting into power then? | |||
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"He harbours a utopic ideology .That does not make him a prick. Being a prick makes him a prick. That has nothing to do with anyone's ideology What maketh a prick? That is the question. His prickish attitude and demeanour His policies have nothing to do with how he acts" This i know some lovley people with disturbing political views and some utter cunts who's ideology is all sugar puffs and rainbows | |||
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"I'm not saying I like farage and what he stands for but why can't politics just be about about the policies and not where someone went on holiday in 1978 and how they fucking paid for it! I agree with you on that much. If people voted purely on policies and issues, not personalities, we'd not be in danger of that idiot Trump becoming US President. Because people are buying into his 'Messianic' public image, a man who has never held public office, and has no military experience, is set to become the Head of State and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the most powerful nation on earth... He's not set to become it at all, Clinton is much more likely to get elected. The odds on him winning are the same as Brexit: 25-30% A far better chance than UKIP has of ever getting into power then?" Well ukip have said thier no1 objective is to make themselves unemployed. The interesting thing will be if we do leave if they will dissolve the party and borrow bushs "mission acomplished" banner | |||
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" Devon, every post you've made on this thread has a smack of jealousy pervading right through them. As you get older you'll realise that there has always been the 'haves' and 'have nots' and that will never change. Only the money changes hands. A socialist answer would be to reset the system every 25 years and distribute all the money equally among the populace but what happens then? Some people are spendthrift and would get through their share a lot faster than those who amass money through fear of insecurity or because they invest in business to make money. It's the way of the world and if you had been born into a privileged family you wouldn't be sitting here verbally assaulting those who have made something of themselves. Ask yourself this question: why do so many people play the lottery every week and how many of them are upper class toffs? Aspiration is not a negative trait. " If a man isn't a socialist in his twenties he has no heart if he isnt a conservative in his 40s he has no brain :p | |||
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"300 years ago in this country every thieving c**t was white Anglo Saxon. Never heard of Normans or Danes? both Nations conquered the Anglo-Saxons. two thirds of this country was under the danelaw before Cnut finally became King. Harold Godwinson was THE LAST Anglo_Saxon King ever before William conquered England. Most Kings after that were French! Even the Anglo-Saxons were germanic tribes , Our own royal family changed it's name from saxe-coburg gotha to windor. All very European Ok, 800 years ago then. I know uk history but didn't think it would be called for on a swinging site. I'm glad you know it too.
Speaking as someone from the kingdom of wessex, your premise has been defeated Just like the English were, by the Normans and Danes
In certain parts, the Normans never took Wales Yeah you Kind of missed the point of the use of the Word English there lol
Yeah but there is no real English at that time! Wessex was full of German-ish immigrants and the other 2 got f'ed up by Vikings then the French. The oldest British cultures are the celts.
Ironically national identity is a relatively new concept... ". Errr I'd have a punt at the Cornish or the welsh, the Cornish language has pretty much gone but it wasn't too dissimilar to welsh and they always say the welsh are the real English but then yeah but no but yeah... Oh let's blame Shakespeare | |||
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"I like your analysis but can't follow your conclusion. You seem to confuse 'being successful' and class. A working class person who goes to Oxford and does well is still working class. Working class doesn't mean you are a failure or that as soon as your income gets over a certain level then you can't be called working class. Lord Sugar, Wayne Rooney, Charlie Mullins - all successful working class people. Personally I'd disagree. I'd say working class means you are employed in some form of physical labour, unskilled, trade or skilled. Its not an inherited trait. They may have a working class background but they are no longer working class. Well Wolf, at least we agree on one thing. Precisely why I don't see Farage as 'working class.' A City Trader is not 'unskilled physical labour,' nor is it a 'skilled trade;' it is an occupation traditionally associated with the 'middle class' or 'mercantile elite.'" Yet you're the one who brought class up. He doesnt say hes working class he says he is representing thier views. And based on my conversations with the other factory lads he is indeed accurate when he says that. The majority of them do aprove of his stance | |||
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"No poor "working class hero" background type for instance should never get any uppity thoughts about becoming a politician or banker or rich in anyway. As theyd just be in short some working class deadbeat masquerading as a "successful over-achiever' Where did I make that argument? Many working class people in this country have, through hard work and graft, gone on to achieve great things. Like Mrs Thatcher. Depends on how you look at it: Her supporters tend to portray her as the daughter of a humble greengrocer who rose to become Head Girl of her local Grammar School and get into Oxford on a Scholarship. Her detractors point to the fact that her father wasn't just a 'humble greengrocer,' but a successful business owner and prominent local politician (he was an Alderman and Mayor.) They also highlight the fact that Thatcher was president of the Oxford University Conservative Association, which gave her political career a huge kickstart. On that basis, you can't really say that she was any more of a 'working class hero' than Farage. Like any politician, she cultivated a very specific public image, and it paid off. I like your analysis but can't follow your conclusion. You seem to confuse 'being successful' and class. A working class person who goes to Oxford and does well is still working class. Working class doesn't mean you are a failure or that as soon as your income gets over a certain level then you can't be called working class. Lord Sugar, Wayne Rooney, Charlie Mullins - all successful working class people. Personally I'd disagree. I'd say working class means you are employed in some form of physical labour, unskilled, trade or skilled. Its not an inherited trait. They may have a working class background but they are no longer working class. For instance i have a very middle class background but am now working class. My brother on the other hand has moved to the much more upper end of middle class if not higher by the time he retires. Disagree with both of you and if wyne rooney's job isn't physical labour then I don't know what is!! You are born into class and it's very difficult to change, income as class are barely related. If you've met an upper class person who is living a subsistence life to try and make it as an actor - you can tell. If you met Wayne Rooney in a first class on a 787 but didn't recognise him then you'd assume he was a plain clothed policeman. Bottom line is that many of those working class jobs still need leaders. Just because you stop being a plumber and start managing other plumbers, doesn't change your class. " Id say he's more entertainment akinnto any other celebrity. Just he does have a skill. Although this does raise an interesting point what class is a jocky? Personaly i will say i find the class system stupid and far too limited. I know people who earn in a year what could buy a 4 bed house in cash and people so desperate that even trips to the food bank can keep them going some months. Honestly there isnt any difference between most of them when it comes to "virtue" or "goodness" I also know cunts from both sides and they're the same from a prick who lifts phones in a pub to a dodgy trader the person is the same. All thats differnt is the IQ and te opertunity | |||
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"Jess fucking Christmas what does it matter how his parents afforded to pay for his schooling, I'm guessing it was his parent choice where to send and what parent doesn't send thier kids to the best school they can? This is why politics bores the shit out of me. It's never about the facts, it's about who can dig the furthest and find the juiciest morsel to undermine regardless of Wat they are all doing now. I'm not saying I like farage and what he stands for but why can't politics just be about about the policies and not where someone went on holiday in 1978 and how they fucking paid for it!
Because then labour and conservative wouldn't dominate elections anymore! It suits them both to have a bunch of northern monkeys and southern fairies who will vote for the party their parents told them to and they'll fight over the occasional swing voter. If people actually went back to basics and listened to the policies before deciding who to vote for then we'd have anarchy. .
Did you say anarchy!!
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""Farage went to Dulwich and his school mates ranged from wealthy banker sons to coal merchants sons...where the Labour Government funded bright pupils with bursaries and scholarships. Eton it was NOT!" No, Eton it was not, but Dulwich still provided Farage with an advantage in his education which was not accessed by his peers at Comprehensive or Grammar Schools. I do not know if Farage attended Dulwich as a Scholar or not, but a Scholarship is still a form of 'patronage.' (Hence why I used that term in my earlier post.) "You mention University and Farage and attempt to link the two. But on leaving school in 1982 he decided not to go to university and to work in the City trading commodities at the London Metal Exchange. Aged 18." Actually, if you read my earlier post, you'll see that I specifically stated that Farage left school and went into his career as a Trader in the City. My point was that, had he not gone to Dulwich, he would likely have never had access to such a prestigious career at such a young age. Furthermore, Farage did not simply 'go out to work.' You make it sound as if he worked in a normal 9-5 office job like the majority of boys who leave school at 18. As I said, the man was trading - and losing - seven figure sums for a City Broker, earning a salary that most of his peers could likely only dream of. He did not, as you claim 'build that career up from nothing.' " Of course it wasn't a normal 9-5 office job, it would have been much more stressful and very probably involved longer hours. I suspect that Farage had his tongue lodged very firmly in his cheek regarding comments of losing 7 figure sums. If he did that often, his career would have been very short lived. | |||
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"I'm not saying I like farage and what he stands for but why can't politics just be about about the policies and not where someone went on holiday in 1978 and how they fucking paid for it! I agree with you on that much. If people voted purely on policies and issues, not personalities, we'd not be in danger of that idiot Trump becoming US President. Because people are buying into his 'Messianic' public image, a man who has never held public office, and has no military experience, is set to become the Head of State and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the most powerful nation on earth... He's not set to become it at all, Clinton is much more likely to get elected. The odds on him winning are the same as Brexit: 25-30% A far better chance than UKIP has of ever getting into power then?" Presuming we stay first pass the post then yes. Also, let's not forget that the real reason we're having the referendum now is because conservatives were losing voters to UKIP and a remain vote will basically make the party obsolete. So when we vote to stay (75% probability) it will wipe UKIP out | |||
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"I'd take him over the swivel eyed Farridge any day. I didn't watch the programme, but I think you're absolutely right. Farage projects an image of being an 'ordinary bloke,' and an 'everyman politician,' publishing endless photos of himself in 'ordinary pubs' drinking pints with 'regular people.' Everyone seems to forget that Farage is an ex-Tory, a former public schoolboy, and a former City Trader and commodity broker. He's no more an 'ordinary chap' or a 'champion of the people' than Cameron or Miliband. He's cut from the same upper-class cloth. He's a total fraud who projects a specific public image in order to win votes. Give me Izzard any day of the week.
Farage is the vile prick here. Eddie is decent, honest and caring - a rarity now.
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"I suspect that Farage had his tongue lodged very firmly in his cheek regarding comments of losing 7 figure sums. If he did that often, his career would have been very short lived." His career wasn't a short one, but it wasn't exactly stellar either. After all, at least one company for which he brokered ended up insolvent. He was also asked to leave CLR after bringing a d*unk friend onto the trading floor after a very long lunch... He only mentions one specific 'seven figure sum' incident, but he does claim repeatedly that his job involved earning and losing millions at a time... So yes, Farage was able eventually to build up a successful business of his own. However, he can hardly be said to have built it up from nothing. | |||
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"I suspect that Farage had his tongue lodged very firmly in his cheek regarding comments of losing 7 figure sums. If he did that often, his career would have been very short lived. His career wasn't a short one, but it wasn't exactly stellar either. After all, at least one company for which he brokered ended up insolvent. He was also asked to leave CLR after bringing a d*unk friend onto the trading floor after a very long lunch... He only mentions one specific 'seven figure sum' incident, but he does claim repeatedly that his job involved earning and losing millions at a time... So yes, Farage was able eventually to build up a successful business of his own. However, he can hardly be said to have built it up from nothing." Well the benchmark he's competing against is actually having a job so hrs beaten the other leaders even if he was the toilet cleaner | |||
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"Just watched him on question time and he was an absolute joke . I don't even think the stay supporters liked the way he constantly interrupted and talked bullshit,Minot to mention he looked like an idiot" Alison gave him what for though " I haven't finished and I'm going to speak now" - my kind of woman | |||
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"I suspect that Farage had his tongue lodged very firmly in his cheek regarding comments of losing 7 figure sums. If he did that often, his career would have been very short lived. His career wasn't a short one, but it wasn't exactly stellar either. After all, at least one company for which he brokered ended up insolvent. He was also asked to leave CLR after bringing a d*unk friend onto the trading floor after a very long lunch... He only mentions one specific 'seven figure sum' incident, but he does claim repeatedly that his job involved earning and losing millions at a time... So yes, Farage was able eventually to build up a successful business of his own. However, he can hardly be said to have built it up from nothing. Well the benchmark he's competing against is actually having a job so hrs beaten the other leaders even if he was the toilet cleaner " Not for long ! He wants to be an MP so he isn't really non political like he try's to be Out Out Out England Forever ! | |||
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"I suspect that Farage had his tongue lodged very firmly in his cheek regarding comments of losing 7 figure sums. If he did that often, his career would have been very short lived. His career wasn't a short one, but it wasn't exactly stellar either. After all, at least one company for which he brokered ended up insolvent. He was also asked to leave CLR after bringing a d*unk friend onto the trading floor after a very long lunch... He only mentions one specific 'seven figure sum' incident, but he does claim repeatedly that his job involved earning and losing millions at a time... So yes, Farage was able eventually to build up a successful business of his own. However, he can hardly be said to have built it up from nothing." The nature of trading is winning and losing but those who lose more frequently tend to lose their jobs too. Was Farage the person responsible for the brokerage becoming insolvent? | |||
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"I suspect that Farage had his tongue lodged very firmly in his cheek regarding comments of losing 7 figure sums. If he did that often, his career would have been very short lived. His career wasn't a short one, but it wasn't exactly stellar either. After all, at least one company for which he brokered ended up insolvent. He was also asked to leave CLR after bringing a d*unk friend onto the trading floor after a very long lunch... He only mentions one specific 'seven figure sum' incident, but he does claim repeatedly that his job involved earning and losing millions at a time... So yes, Farage was able eventually to build up a successful business of his own. However, he can hardly be said to have built it up from nothing. Well the benchmark he's competing against is actually having a job so hrs beaten the other leaders even if he was the toilet cleaner Not for long ! He wants to be an MP so he isn't really non political like he try's to be Out Out Out England Forever !"Appologies ! I didn't read properly ! Glass of wine gone to the head lol I thought the quote was about Eddie Izzard ! Oops , I like Farage , tho I would rather he was EIP rather than UKIP | |||
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"I suspect that Farage had his tongue lodged very firmly in his cheek regarding comments of losing 7 figure sums. If he did that often, his career would have been very short lived. His career wasn't a short one, but it wasn't exactly stellar either. After all, at least one company for which he brokered ended up insolvent. He was also asked to leave CLR after bringing a d*unk friend onto the trading floor after a very long lunch... He only mentions one specific 'seven figure sum' incident, but he does claim repeatedly that his job involved earning and losing millions at a time... So yes, Farage was able eventually to build up a successful business of his own. However, he can hardly be said to have built it up from nothing. Well the benchmark he's competing against is actually having a job so hrs beaten the other leaders even if he was the toilet cleaner Not for long ! He wants to be an MP so he isn't really non political like he try's to be Out Out Out England Forever !"Appologies ! I didn't read properly ! Glass of wine gone to the head lol I thought the quote was about Eddie Izzard ! Oops , I like Farage , tho I would rather he was EIP rather than UKIP | |||
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"Well the benchmark he's competing against is actually having a job so hrs beaten the other leaders even if he was the toilet cleaner " Jobs of party leaders immediately prior to election as MP: Conservative - Cameron - Director of Corporate Affairs, Carlton. Labour - Corbyn - Trade Union organiser, District Health Authority member, Councillor. Lib Dem - Farron - Employed at Lancaster University and the University of Cumbria Green - Bennett - Journalist and Blogger SNP - Sturgeon - Lawyer Plaid Cymru - Wood - Probation Officer, Lecturer at Cardiff University So, which of those aren't 'proper jobs'? They don't see less 'real' than that of a City Broker... | |||
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"Well the benchmark he's competing against is actually having a job so hrs beaten the other leaders even if he was the toilet cleaner Jobs of party leaders immediately prior to election as MP: Conservative - Cameron - Director of Corporate Affairs, Carlton. Labour - Corbyn - Trade Union organiser, District Health Authority member, Councillor. Lib Dem - Farron - Employed at Lancaster University and the University of Cumbria Green - Bennett - Journalist and Blogger SNP - Sturgeon - Lawyer Plaid Cymru - Wood - Probation Officer, Lecturer at Cardiff University So, which of those aren't 'proper jobs'? They don't see less 'real' than that of a City Broker... " Pretty much all of them. I know you won't agree but listen to the wisdom of Peter Drucker who gas forgotten more about what makes economies grow than I'll ever know: 'you've got people that invent things and you've people that sell those things. Everyone else is an overhead.' | |||
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"Well the benchmark he's competing against is actually having a job so hrs beaten the other leaders even if he was the toilet cleaner " So in your mind, being a City Broker is a 'real job,' but being a lawyer, journalist, educator, company director, or trade union organiser isn't? | |||
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"Well the benchmark he's competing against is actually having a job so hrs beaten the other leaders even if he was the toilet cleaner So in your mind, being a City Broker is a 'real job,' but being a lawyer, journalist, educator, company director, or trade union organiser isn't?" Cameron is not a real director, that's a job title on a business card. He knows fuck all about innovating, bringing a product to market and distributing it. Trade unions live in la la land. Sitting in an ivory towers university and writing papers that only other academics read isn't exactly fueling growth in the economy. Journalist yes, but as a profession it's dated and dead on its feet. Lawyer, yes that's a real job but if there was one job type I'd like less of in the world it would be that one. They don't create wealth in the world, they are the very definition of an overhead (parasite) for those who actually create and sell. | |||
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"So, which of those aren't 'proper jobs'? They don't see less 'real' than that of a City Broker... Pretty much all of them. I know you won't agree but listen to the wisdom of Peter Drucker who gas forgotten more about what makes economies grow than I'll ever know: 'you've got people that invent things and you've people that sell those things. Everyone else is an overhead.' " Oh I see! So you mean our economy will keep on growing as long as we just have people inventing stuff and selling it. No need to have people to: manage production, regulate markets, prosecute corrupt employers, defend the rights of the workers, ensure a healthy labour force, or educate people in how to manufacture goods in the first place... No, they're just 'overheads'... | |||
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"So, which of those aren't 'proper jobs'? They don't see less 'real' than that of a City Broker... Pretty much all of them. I know you won't agree but listen to the wisdom of Peter Drucker who gas forgotten more about what makes economies grow than I'll ever know: 'you've got people that invent things and you've people that sell those things. Everyone else is an overhead.' Oh I see! So you mean our economy will keep on growing as long as we just have people inventing stuff and selling it. No need to have people to: manage production, regulate markets, prosecute corrupt employers, defend the rights of the workers, ensure a healthy labour force, or educate people in how to manufacture goods in the first place... No, they're just 'overheads'... "Yes they are. I didn't say we don't need overheads. But all jobs do not equally contribute to the process of wealth creation. Think of it like a football team. Having a good goal keeper is helpful but you can't win games just by stopping goals. That's why top strikers are more expensive than top goal keepers. | |||
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"Well the benchmark he's competing against is actually having a job so hrs beaten the other leaders even if he was the toilet cleaner So in your mind, being a City Broker is a 'real job,' but being a lawyer, journalist, educator, company director, or trade union organiser isn't? Trade unions live in la la land. Oh right, so let's just screw the workers and strip them of their rights? After all, they're expendable. Sitting in an ivory towers university and writing papers that only other academics read isn't exactly fueling growth in the economy. Oh? And how exactly do you intend to TRAIN people to invent and manufacture goods? Let's just get rid of the universities. Who needs doctors, lawyers, surgeons, physicists, chemists, mathematicians, engineers, judges, or any of those other silly 'jobs' that need a degree? Journalist yes, but as a profession it's dated and dead on its feet. Because who cares about the freedom of the press? Lawyer, yes that's a real job but if there was one job type I'd like less of in the world it would be that one. They don't create wealth in the world. Oh I see...so the worth of someone's job is to be judged on how much wealth they create. Doctors don't create wealth, nor do teachers. Are they 'parasites' too? " | |||
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"I didn't say we don't need overheads. But all jobs do not equally contribute to the process of wealth creation." No, you said that the only 'proper jobs' are those that create wealth, and that those jobs that don't are parasitical. That's bollocks. | |||
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"I didn't say we don't need overheads. But all jobs do not equally contribute to the process of wealth creation. No, you said that the only 'proper jobs' are those that create wealth, and that those jobs that don't are parasitical. That's bollocks." No it isn't, you are misquoting me even from the small bit you quoted. They don't create wealth equally. Overheads create some wealth but it's not equal. The internet has done more to create wealth than journalism could dream of. Doctors create an enormous amount of wealth. How many other parts of the economy function without a healthy workforce or function better with a longer living one - most. Teachers less so because there a numerous substitutes for formal schooling that can achieve the same end. There's no real substitute for good medical care though. | |||
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"listen to the wisdom of Peter Drucker who gas forgotten more about what makes economies grow than I'll ever know: 'you've got people that invent things and you've people that sell those things. Everyone else is an overhead.' " Maybe it would help if you quoted Drucker properly, rather than twist his statement to suit your agenda. "The purpose of BUSINESS is to create a customer, the business enterprise has two–and only two–basic functions: marketing and innovation. Marketing and innovation produce results; all the rest are costs.” He wasn't talking about the economy as a whole; he was referring to how businesses work. Businesses are only one aspect of the economy. An economy will grow only if it is properly managed; for that, you need a lot more than just 'marketing and innovation.' | |||
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