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By *ichaelangela OP   Couple
over a year ago

notts

someone (can't remember who) is suggesting that using hands free phones while driving is equally as dangerous as handheld, and wants the use of hands free kits banned.

sort of agree with this, a thread i posted about 2 years ago where i was driving along whilst on my car phone, could not remember any of the road i traveled along while talking.

but where is it different to having an in depth conversation with a passenger??

any thoughts on this??

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

I see people driving wearing headphones, how the hell can they hear what's going on around them

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

It's different to chatting to a passenger as the passenger is in the same car as you and can see potential hazards. Whilst chatting on the phone they can't. ..if a passenger sees a potential collision they will terminate the conversation and alert you to the imminent problem... a person on the phone wont

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's perfectly alright to look at another passenger in the face to gauge their reactions during conversation whilst behind the wheel, nowhere near as dangerous as using a mobile phone..

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By *ichaelangela OP   Couple
over a year ago

notts


"It's different to chatting to a passenger as the passenger is in the same car as you and can see potential hazards. Whilst chatting on the phone they can't. ..if a passenger sees a potential collision they will terminate the conversation and alert you to the imminent problem... a person on the phone wont"

but what if your talking on the phone and there is a passenger in the car??

would that make it any safer?

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By *ichaelangela OP   Couple
over a year ago

notts


"It's perfectly alright to look at another passenger in the face to gauge their reactions during conversation whilst behind the wheel, nowhere near as dangerous as using a mobile phone..

"

not talking about a hand held phone, talking about hands free car phone

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

Bollocks.

Some people blow things out of proportion.

If they're gonna ban hands free kits dies that mean that they're gonna ban the driver from making conversation with the passengers? It's exactly the same thing.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

Worst distraction whilst driving is a nagging wife

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

As an aside, the police don't have hands free kits for their mobile phones, which they use frequently when driving - but then, they do have super powers that mer mortals don't posess

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

* mere

* possess

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Taking in person and taking on the phone are not the same thing at all.

They referred to a study briefly on R4 today that I read about through work.

We don't allow hands free use in company y vehicles as it is so distracting.

In the study they have people simple tasks to do like driving, drawing simple pictures, simple multiplication and so on.

Then they had conversations with people's on the room and people on a phone.

The concentration levels plummeted when the other person was in the phone but not when they were in the room and the reason was simple.

If the other person is in the room (or car) they moderate the conversation and put in pauses when they can see the other person is at a tricky point and needs to concentrate.

The differences are remarkable.

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By *ichaelangela OP   Couple
over a year ago

notts

good answer, and very interesting too, can see the point

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London


"Taking in person and taking on the phone are not the same thing at all.

They referred to a study briefly on R4 today that I read about through work.

We don't allow hands free use in company y vehicles as it is so distracting.

In the study they have people simple tasks to do like driving, drawing simple pictures, simple multiplication and so on.

Then they had conversations with people's on the room and people on a phone.

The concentration levels plummeted when the other person was in the phone but not when they were in the room and the reason was simple.

If the other person is in the room (or car) they moderate the conversation and put in pauses when they can see the other person is at a tricky point and needs to concentrate.

The differences are remarkable. "

Hmmm. I see what they are saying but I still disagree because in the real world a competent driver wouldn't allow themselves to be distracted as they wouldn't take the call if it wasn't safe too or if they were in a tricky situation.

In the real world passengers are occasionally a distraction (or at least mine can be) and I've never actually met one who moderated or paused their chatter.

Also modern cars blue tooth the phone thru the stereo so should be far less distracting than the ear piece models.

It really isn't difficult at all to hold a conversation and operate a vehicle simultaneously, In my opinion. It's just common sense.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

I was involved in tests that measured drivers awareness, reactions, and ability to reason and carry out tasks,

The evidence was overwhelming that speaking on a hands free phone reduces a driver's ability to approximately 50% of " normal ", and , incidentally, to a level well beyond the level of a drink driver.

The difference between a hands free and hand held was not huge.

Having a conversation with a passenger has only about a 5%- 10% influence on capabilities .

Listening to the radio even less.

The reason is that speaking with a disembodied voice, the brain has to occupy itself more in working out what is being said, and reacting to it, this distracts the brain from its driving tasks.

Speaking with a passenger in the vehicle requires much less " calculation".

Interestingly, it is more distracting to hold a conversation with a passenger in the back seat, than the front seat.

All mobile phone conversations should be banned.

In terms of police and emergency services;

There are usually 2 people, so one is driving, one using the radio .

Simplified radio messages mean that all conversations are simple, and distract the driver less, anyway.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Initially evidence indicated that hands free phones use was considerably safer than holding a device and using it.

My thoughts are that this is definitely the case for me. A quick answered call - I'll say a brief point and end the call.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Taking in person and taking on the phone are not the same thing at all.

They referred to a study briefly on R4 today that I read about through work.

We don't allow hands free use in company y vehicles as it is so distracting.

In the study they have people simple tasks to do like driving, drawing simple pictures, simple multiplication and so on.

Then they had conversations with people's on the room and people on a phone.

The concentration levels plummeted when the other person was in the phone but not when they were in the room and the reason was simple.

If the other person is in the room (or car) they moderate the conversation and put in pauses when they can see the other person is at a tricky point and needs to concentrate.

The differences are remarkable. "

so? what next?

they going to ban police from receiving and replying to radio messages, taxi drivers from taking hires, Ambulance & emergency calls

Part of your advanced driving - Institute of Advanced Motorists (IAM) where we have to give continuous commentary through out our driving, talking and describing what we see ahead on the road, will this be stopped?

the same topic was debated on radio2 yesterday on Jeremy vine and the study was also written off there

but then!!!

study grants do have to be justified

think about it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thankfully I only use my phone in my car for music as I cannot concentrate on both , but that's me and I know my limits X

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover


"Taking in person and taking on the phone are not the same thing at all.

They referred to a study briefly on R4 today that I read about through work.

We don't allow hands free use in company y vehicles as it is so distracting.

In the study they have people simple tasks to do like driving, drawing simple pictures, simple multiplication and so on.

Then they had conversations with people's on the room and people on a phone.

The concentration levels plummeted when the other person was in the phone but not when they were in the room and the reason was simple.

If the other person is in the room (or car) they moderate the conversation and put in pauses when they can see the other person is at a tricky point and needs to concentrate.

The differences are remarkable.

Hmmm. I see what they are saying but I still disagree because in the real world a competent driver wouldn't allow themselves to be distracted as they wouldn't take the call if it wasn't safe too or if they were in a tricky situation.

In the real world passengers are occasionally a distraction (or at least mine can be) and I've never actually met one who moderated or paused their chatter.

Also modern cars blue tooth the phone thru the stereo so should be far less distracting than the ear piece models.

It really isn't difficult at all to hold a conversation and operate a vehicle simultaneously, In my opinion. It's just common sense."

But in the real world many of us are not always competent drivers and you can't know what issues you are going to have at the point that you take the call.

Passengers (or people simply in the same room) don't deliberalty moderate and pause the conversation, they don't know they are doing it. It's just a natural instinct and one which is caused through a sense of inmate empathy for the situation the other person is in.

In a phone call this just doesn't happen so the levels of distraction are far greater.

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

Where does it stop? Will we have to pull over to change something on the satnav? Pull over to insert another cd?

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover


"

so? what next?

they going to ban police from receiving and replying to radio messages, taxi drivers from taking hires, Ambulance & emergency calls

Part of your advanced driving - Institute of Advanced Motorists (IAM) where we have to give continuous commentary through out our driving, talking and describing what we see ahead on the road, will this be stopped?

the same topic was debated on radio2 yesterday on Jeremy vine and the study was also written off there

but then!!!

study grants do have to be justified

think about it!"

A comentry or the delivery of information is not the same as a conversation and the level of loss of concentration is not the same.

Interestingly I have come out of a meeting which invloves discussion on this.

The company I work for has around 6000 vans and 200 artics all of which are fitted with cameras that take record when triggered by an "event"

We banned hands free 3 years ago and although there have always been gradual trends in different incidents there was a clear and obvious 20% drop in distraction events in the quarter following the ban.

That's why the ban remains inspite of it being a pain when it comes to contacting drivers.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London


"

A comentry or the delivery of information is not the same as a conversation and the level of loss of concentration is not the same.

Interestingly I have come out of a meeting which invloves discussion on this.

The company I work for has around 6000 vans and 200 artics all of which are fitted with cameras that take record when triggered by an "event"

We banned hands free 3 years ago and although there have always been gradual trends in different incidents there was a clear and obvious 20% drop in distraction events in the quarter following the ban.

That's why the ban remains inspite of it being a pain when it comes to contacting drivers.

"

So by the logic of this survey should sat navs be banned on loss of concentration basis?

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By *anderer8707Man
over a year ago

Telford

Where will this all end?

Next they'll be tellng us we can't read the newspaper or watch TV while we're driving!

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover


"

A comentry or the delivery of information is not the same as a conversation and the level of loss of concentration is not the same.

Interestingly I have come out of a meeting which invloves discussion on this.

The company I work for has around 6000 vans and 200 artics all of which are fitted with cameras that take record when triggered by an "event"

We banned hands free 3 years ago and although there have always been gradual trends in different incidents there was a clear and obvious 20% drop in distraction events in the quarter following the ban.

That's why the ban remains inspite of it being a pain when it comes to contacting drivers.

So by the logic of this survey should sat navs be banned on loss of concentration basis?"

An excellent example.

We do not have enough instances of drivers triggering events while being distracted by satnavs to consider it a serious hazard, which we did when it came to hands free.

Common sense in action perhaps?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While they are at it can they ban screaming kids from the back seat please? They are a huge distraction, or at least allow parents to gaffer tape their hands and feet together and gag them...purely for safety of course!

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France


"

A comentry or the delivery of information is not the same as a conversation and the level of loss of concentration is not the same.

Interestingly I have come out of a meeting which invloves discussion on this.

The company I work for has around 6000 vans and 200 artics all of which are fitted with cameras that take record when triggered by an "event"

We banned hands free 3 years ago and although there have always been gradual trends in different incidents there was a clear and obvious 20% drop in distraction events in the quarter following the ban.

That's why the ban remains inspite of it being a pain when it comes to contacting drivers.

So by the logic of this survey should sat navs be banned on loss of concentration basis?"

That's not the logic of the survey;

A satnav simply gives instructions, you don't have a conversation with it.

Speaking on the phone, you are having to listen , then use the reasoning part of your brain to respond. Up to 50% of your reasoning is going into the conversation; thus your ability to reason and react to events on the road is reduced by that 50%.

Likewise over 50% of your concentration is on the phone call; not on the road.

The trials were conducted with a large number of drivers, of all ages and experience and competence, using a driving simulator, so that the conditions could be replicated exactly for each driver, and making them do a wide range of tasks, and to participate in several different types of test.

The results were truly frightening.

It is, frankly, safer to drink half a bottle of whisky and drive, than to use a phone while driving.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London


"

A comentry or the delivery of information is not the same as a conversation and the level of loss of concentration is not the same.

Interestingly I have come out of a meeting which invloves discussion on this.

The company I work for has around 6000 vans and 200 artics all of which are fitted with cameras that take record when triggered by an "event"

We banned hands free 3 years ago and although there have always been gradual trends in different incidents there was a clear and obvious 20% drop in distraction events in the quarter following the ban.

That's why the ban remains inspite of it being a pain when it comes to contacting drivers.

So by the logic of this survey should sat navs be banned on loss of concentration basis?

An excellent example.

We do not have enough instances of drivers triggering events while being distracted by satnavs to consider it a serious hazard, which we did when it came to hands free.

Common sense in action perhaps?

"

But there have been plenty of examples of drivers blithely following a sat nav instructions ending up in lakes and stuck in narrow lanes. This indicates a failure to observe and react to road conditions and surroundings possibly due to concentrating on the sat navigation. It may not be a two way conversation but the brain must still process and react to the verbal information given.

Personally I don't think that hands free kits or sat navs themselves pose major hazards providing the driver remembers the golden rule that they're the one in control of the vehicle and uses their common sense and turns off the device should they feel themselves becoming distracted.

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field


"While they are at it can they ban screaming kids from the back seat please? They are a huge distraction, or at least allow parents to gaffer tape their hands and feet together and gag them...purely for safety of course! "

Allow? It should be mandatory! Even better to do it anytime they leave the confines of the house

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"someone (can't remember who) is suggesting that using hands free phones while driving is equally as dangerous as handheld, and wants the use of hands free kits banned.

sort of agree with this, a thread i posted about 2 years ago where i was driving along whilst on my car phone, could not remember any of the road i traveled along while talking.

but where is it different to having an in depth conversation with a passenger??

any thoughts on this??"

My thoughts on this are pretty simply really....

Before considering any merits of the proposal calling for banning hands free sets.

I'd like too see independently verified statistical evidence which supports their claims ..

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France


"someone (can't remember who) is suggesting that using hands free phones while driving is equally as dangerous as handheld, and wants the use of hands free kits banned.

sort of agree with this, a thread i posted about 2 years ago where i was driving along whilst on my car phone, could not remember any of the road i traveled along while talking.

but where is it different to having an in depth conversation with a passenger??

any thoughts on this??

My thoughts on this are pretty simply really....

Before considering any merits of the proposal calling for banning hands free sets.

I'd like too see independently verified statistical evidence which supports their claims ..

"

We did the study for TRRL.

There are similar studies that have been done in Germany and the USA.

The results are the same .

For some reason, governments don't have the balls to do anything about it;

Probably because car manufacturers have now all got hands free in their cars and are lobbying them not to outlaw it, and the phone addicts can't be separated from their lives for more than 10 seconds.

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