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"He sure did! Was horrid to watch! His answers were all over the place but he didn't get a chance to talk either, I don't know why I watch these things haha" Probably best not to watch these things at all xx | |||
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"He sure did! Was horrid to watch! His answers were all over the place but he didn't get a chance to talk either, I don't know why I watch these things haha" it was a car crash for the outers. no wonder they have kept him under wraps | |||
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"He sure did! Was horrid to watch! His answers were all over the place but he didn't get a chance to talk either, I don't know why I watch these things haha it was a car crash for the outers. no wonder they have kept him under wraps " I wish Id actually listened to it now  | |||
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"Nigels winning no probs" That is a fucking terrifying thought. | |||
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" I wish Id actually listened to it now "Channel 33 on Freeview: ITV1+1 I'm off for a nosey
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"Nigels winning no probs That is a fucking terrifying thought. " Precisely why is it such a terrible thought to want to stop massive and uncontrolled immigration, have our Parliament as Sovereign and to have the Supreme Court of our land here in the UK and not in Strasbourg? Forget the personalities and think of our future outside the political monstrosity that will soon be the United States of Europe... | |||
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"nigel got absolutely roasted..... i think he had nick griffin flashbacks.... his answers with regards to big pharma... and the answer with regard to his cologne comments really made me wince.... " ..no bias in your opinions there then ...  | |||
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"Putting the obvious biased opinions of Remainers or Brexiters aside on here, many of the post debate analysis by political commenrators on itv news at 10, sky news and BBC news put the itv Cameron/Farage debate as a score draw. Sure Farage had some difficult moments but so did David Cameron. I would say both of them put in a mediocre performance tonight with neither coming out as the clear winner. " Hence why Corbyn has been so quiet. | |||
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"Nigels winning no probs That is a fucking terrifying thought. Precisely why is it such a terrible thought to want to stop massive and uncontrolled immigration, have our Parliament as Sovereign and to have the Supreme Court of our land here in the UK and not in Strasbourg? Forget the personalities and think of our future outside the political monstrosity that will soon be the United States of Europe..." Think people are getting confused, this referendum is about staying or leaving the European political union. Not the European single market, its going to have sod all effect on controlling immigration. | |||
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"I thought Corben was anti EU looking at his voting stats. Why would he suddenly about turn ? "George Galloway who literally sat next to Jeremy Corbyn on the back benches of the house of commons for many years says Corbyn looks like a hostage in this EU referendum. He is being held captive by the Labour party and being forced to mouth the words they tell him but in his heart Corbyn doesn't really believe it. Corbyn has gone out of his way to keep as low profile as possible in this EU referendum campaign. He voted to come out of what is now the EU in 1975, and stood alongside Labour figures like Tony Benn and Michael Foot who said we should leave the EU. Jeremy Corbyn has been a staunch Eurosceptic for decades right up until funnily enough he became leader of the labour party. George Galloway said Corbyn stood alongside him in the lobbies to get Britain out of the EU. Corbyn is not fooling anyone. He is only doing what he is now doing to try to gain what little support he can from the parliamentary Labour party and the Blairites who want to stay in the EU. Watch closely because before June 23rd Corbyn could still change sides again he may not think the little support from the Blairites is worth betraying his Eurosceptic principles for. | |||
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"Nigels winning no probs That is a fucking terrifying thought. Precisely why is it such a terrible thought to want to stop massive and uncontrolled immigration, have our Parliament as Sovereign and to have the Supreme Court of our land here in the UK and not in Strasbourg? Forget the personalities and think of our future outside the political monstrosity that will soon be the United States of Europe... Think people are getting confused, this referendum is about staying or leaving the European political union. Not the European single market, its going to have sod all effect on controlling immigration." David Cameron thinks this is a referendum on the single market. He seems reluctant to talk about anything else. | |||
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"Nigels winning no probs That is a fucking terrifying thought. Precisely why is it such a terrible thought to want to stop massive and uncontrolled immigration, have our Parliament as Sovereign and to have the Supreme Court of our land here in the UK and not in Strasbourg? Forget the personalities and think of our future outside the political monstrosity that will soon be the United States of Europe... Think people are getting confused, this referendum is about staying or leaving the European political union. Not the European single market, its going to have sod all effect on controlling immigration. David Cameron thinks this is a referendum on the single market. He seems reluctant to talk about anything else. " And Nigel said he did not give a stuff about the future of 10% of the uk manufacturing base which is the pharmaceutical industry. The one industrial sector where the UK is a world beater. Absolutely bonkers  | |||
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"Unfortunately, it's quite easy to get drawn into the battle of personalities and forget what the debate is really about. I expect that many will end up voting based on who they dislike the least, as a result. It's best to avoid these debates and try to find an unbiased opinion to shed light on what is a complex situation, but one that has disgracefully been subject to scaremongering from both sides. "I agree whole-heartedly. But the whole process is a waste of time and money, imo, and distracts from serious g'ment business while this ridiculous circus goes round and round. I'm sick of it already. Even after we've voted and we stay in they'll still be banging on about it for fucking weeks. Jeeezus H Christ in a chicken basket! Shoot me | |||
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" Pissing on about how the UK is better off in the EU and how committed the g'ment are and how it'll be like a Hieronymus Bosch painting if we left... " which ever way it goes, the outcome will be like an Edvard Munch painting circa 1893  | |||
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" Pissing on about how the UK is better off in the EU and how committed the g'ment are and how it'll be like a Hieronymus Bosch painting if we left... which ever way it goes, the outcome will be like an Edvard Munch painting circa 1893 "Always look on the brightside of life  | |||
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" Pissing on about how the UK is better off in the EU and how committed the g'ment are and how it'll be like a Hieronymus Bosch painting if we left... which ever way it goes, the outcome will be like an Edvard Munch painting circa 1893 "The whole country's gone mad. Over an accidental election pledge that the Conservatives never expected to have to enact. | |||
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"Farage is offensive but I actually left the house after 20 mins of Cameron. I wanted to slap his sumg, stupid, fat face... Pissing on about how the UK is better off in the EU and how committed the g'ment are and how it'll be like a Hieronymus Bosch painting if we left... As if some other smug, fat stupid entitled cunt/man had randomly pledged to give the country a referendum in the first place. I had to leave the house. Go for a walk. Prick. " This. I could not disagree more with the things Farage says, but however disgraceful I think he is (and, by God, I think he's diagraceful), at least he seems to believe what he's saying. Cameron is a snake oil salesman. I don't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth, even if I agree with him. | |||
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"Farage is offensive but I actually left the house after 20 mins of Cameron. I wanted to slap his sumg, stupid, fat face... Pissing on about how the UK is better off in the EU and how committed the g'ment are and how it'll be like a Hieronymus Bosch painting if we left... As if some other smug, fat stupid entitled cunt/man had randomly pledged to give the country a referendum in the first place. I had to leave the house. Go for a walk. Prick. " You missed the last 10 minutes then where Cameron basically said if you want to leave the EU you are a quitter, a little Englander and you don't love Britain. Judging by the polls Cameron just insulted half of the population of the country and half of his own party who want to Leave the EU. Yeah great way to win votes Dave, just insult them! | |||
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"Farage is offensive but I actually left the house after 20 mins of Cameron. I wanted to slap his sumg, stupid, fat face... Pissing on about how the UK is better off in the EU and how committed the g'ment are and how it'll be like a Hieronymus Bosch painting if we left... As if some other smug, fat stupid entitled cunt/man had randomly pledged to give the country a referendum in the first place. I had to leave the house. Go for a walk. Prick. You missed the last 10 minutes then where Cameron basically said if you want to leave the EU you are a quitter, a little Englander and you don't love Britain. Judging by the polls Cameron just insulted half of the population of the country and half of his own party who want to Leave the EU. Yeah great way to win votes Dave, just insult them! "Lol - as I said - I had to leave the house and go for a walk | |||
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" Think people are getting confused, this referendum is about staying or leaving the European political union. Not the European single market, its going to have sod all effect on controlling immigration. " Well yes and no. It IS about leaving the European Union (which we never voted for) and we WILL have to leave Single Market. But it is most certainly about immigration as whenj we DO leave we can control a) what people we need for our economy, b) How many we can support in our country and c) who we let in and under what terms. As has been said it works for Australia. And before we get the 'per capita' nonsense yes Australia lets in more than we do (per capita but not the same volume) but they do NOT have an open door like we do and it is a very big country unlike here. | |||
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"Vote OUT on the 23rd and lets have our own Independence Day...." I'm not sure you can equate Jean Paul Junker to city-destroying aliens but wotevva. | |||
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"It is quite odd how people still call Farage a 'racist'. When he was the only guy saying an open door immigration policy was stupid Labour and the Luvvies threw down the 'Racism' card at him to stop all discussion. And happily lied to us about how many would come here. They said 30,000. Farage said millions and who was right? I defy anyone to quote ANY racist comments made by Farage during this debate or indeed at any time. To say we must protect our country is NOT racist. To say we have too many immigrants here is NOT racist. The woman who gobbed off big time about Farage pillorying black people was actually a bloody liar. Sadly no one challenged her and Farage was shut down as he tried to correct her. And setting aside personalities lets remember it is only because of Farage and UKIP and 25 years of their campaigning that we are actually HAVING this Referendum. Well done that man I say. Vote OUT on the 23rd and lets have our own Independence Day...." The woman in the audience tonight who you mentioned had clearly not checked her facts beforehand. It's common knowledge really that Farage wants closer ties with the commonwealth and not the EU. There are many videos on youtube dating back years where he is on record saying that. It's EU immigration policy that discriminates against anyone from outside of the EU giving unfair favour to anyone with an EU passport. An Australian points based immigration system if we left the EU would be more fair and treat all immigrants equally no matter where in the world they come from. It's also very easy to find out that Ukip have had a good number of black, mixed race and ethnic minorities candidates up for election in various elections (which the woman in the audience claimed they hadn't). When Farage pointed out to her that many black and ethnic minority people had voted Ukip in the general election she said "what percentage of the overall 3% of the vote you got then?" Ukip actually got around 14% of the overall vote share in the general election so God knows where she got the 3% share idea from? It seems she was ill prepared or just uninformed of the facts, or just trying to make Farage look bad but people will not be fooled because most of what she said was nonsense. | |||
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"Nigels winning no probs That is a fucking terrifying thought. Precisely why is it such a terrible thought to want to stop massive and uncontrolled immigration, have our Parliament as Sovereign and to have the Supreme Court of our land here in the UK and not in Strasbourg? Forget the personalities and think of our future outside the political monstrosity that will soon be the United States of Europe..."  | |||
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"Farage is offensive but I actually left the house after 20 mins of Cameron. I wanted to slap his sumg, stupid, fat face... Pissing on about how the UK is better off in the EU and how committed the g'ment are and how it'll be like a Hieronymus Bosch painting if we left... As if some other smug, fat stupid entitled cunt/man had randomly pledged to give the country a referendum in the first place. I had to leave the house. Go for a walk. Prick. This. I could not disagree more with the things Farage says, but however disgraceful I think he is (and, by God, I think he's diagraceful), at least he seems to believe what he's saying. Cameron is a snake oil salesman. I don't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth, even if I agree with him." This! | |||
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" Think people are getting confused, this referendum is about staying or leaving the European political union. Not the European single market, its going to have sod all effect on controlling immigration. Well yes and no. It IS about leaving the European Union (which we never voted for) and we WILL have to leave Single Market. But it is most certainly about immigration as whenj we DO leave we can control a) what people we need for our economy, b) How many we can support in our country and c) who we let in and under what terms. As has been said it works for Australia. And before we get the 'per capita' nonsense yes Australia lets in more than we do (per capita but not the same volume) but they do NOT have an open door like we do and it is a very big country unlike here." Nope...still not getting old, the amusement at the total lack of irony when people hold up Australia as a shining example of how to control borders. | |||
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"Putting the obvious biased opinions of Remainers or Brexiters aside on here, many of the post debate analysis by political commenrators on itv news at 10, sky news and BBC news put the itv Cameron/Farage debate as a score draw. Sure Farage had some difficult moments but so did David Cameron. I would say both of them put in a mediocre performance tonight with neither coming out as the clear winner. " I did not watch last night then when I started to read the posts here I thought things had gone to shit (posts 2 - 10) then I realised they were biased opinions I appreciate this opinion above which is level headed and non biased like many posts on here
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" Think people are getting confused, this referendum is about staying or leaving the European political union. Not the European single market, its going to have sod all effect on controlling immigration. Well yes and no. It IS about leaving the European Union (which we never voted for) and we WILL have to leave Single Market. But it is most certainly about immigration as whenj we DO leave we can control a) what people we need for our economy, b) How many we can support in our country and c) who we let in and under what terms. As has been said it works for Australia. And before we get the 'per capita' nonsense yes Australia lets in more than we do (per capita but not the same volume) but they do NOT have an open door like we do and it is a very big country unlike here. Nope...still not getting old, the amusement at the total lack of irony when people hold up Australia as a shining example of how to control borders." Then tell us how we should do it Miss Stress (control our borders) will be interested on your knowledge | |||
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"How fucking stupid is it to let un-elected foreign bureaucrats have remote control of our finances, justice, borders, employment etc etc. Forget all this ridiculous personality/sound-bite blarney, lets leave this european farce to it's eventual demise. Vote out." A demise which is inching ever closer by the day. Undemocratic, corrupt, unnacountable. | |||
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"How fucking stupid is it to let un-elected foreign bureaucrats have remote control of our finances, justice, borders, employment etc etc. Forget all this ridiculous personality/sound-bite blarney, lets leave this european farce to it's eventual demise. Vote out." 1. "They" are not " unelected" they are elected by the council of ministers. Bear in mind that in UK our ministers are not elected. They are appointed by the Prime Minister; and Ministers do not have to be elected MPs ; many aren't. 2.The EU does not have control of our finances: we do 3. The EU does not have control of our justice; we do 4. The EU does not have control of our borders: we do 5. The EU does not have control of our employment: we do. | |||
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"It's all kind of pointless as the whole thing is rigged for us to stay in anyway...I might not even bother going to that polling station!" If you are voting leave then go to the polling station and cast your vote. Leave is in the lead in a few different polls now. | |||
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"nigel got absolutely roasted..... i think he had nick griffin flashbacks.... his answers with regards to big pharma... and the answer with regard to his cologne comments really made me wince.... ..no bias in your opinions there then ... "you liked his answer on his cologne comments then? | |||
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"Putting the obvious biased opinions of Remainers or Brexiters aside on here, many of the post debate analysis by political commenrators on itv news at 10, sky news and BBC news put the itv Cameron/Farage debate as a score draw. Sure Farage had some difficult moments but so did David Cameron. I would say both of them put in a mediocre performance tonight with neither coming out as the clear winner. I did not watch last night then when I started to read the posts here I thought things had gone to shit (posts 2 - 10) then I realised they were biased opinions I appreciate this opinion above which is level headed and non biased like many posts on here
good post"Make you mind up. First it's score draw and then later the audience aren't fair by failing to agree with Farage. At least this time Farage didn't directly attack the audience
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"Nigels winning no probs That is a fucking terrifying thought. Precisely why is it such a terrible thought to want to stop massive and uncontrolled immigration, have our Parliament as Sovereign and to have the Supreme Court of our land here in the UK and not in Strasbourg? Forget the personalities and think of our future outside the political monstrosity that will soon be the United States of Europe... Think people are getting confused, this referendum is about staying or leaving the European political union. Not the European single market, its going to have sod all effect on controlling immigration." Indeed ...but it will have everything to do with migration if we do leave ad we can then control what Merton so blindly and stupidly did. ...that's the confusing point. And it will have little if any effect on us and the European market. The countries telling us not to are doing so because they will have to renegotiate deals which will be less beneficial to them compared to ad they stand now. It will cost them more. | |||
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"It costs them more but not us ? "Of course. Look what we pay into it. Nobody apart the poorest countries get more out if the pot....and I'm not just talking financially. People have forgotten to look a Switzerland and a couple others in all of this. | |||
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"It costs them more but not us ?
Of course. Look what we pay into it. Nobody apart the poorest countries get more out if the pot....and I'm not just talking financially. People have forgotten to look a Switzerland and a couple others in all of this. "This is confusing as I thought Swiss approach was off the table by the leave side. Have the leave campaign confirmed what approach they have ? It would be good to know at least a day or two before the voting day | |||
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"It costs them more but not us ?
Of course. Look what we pay into it. Nobody apart the poorest countries get more out if the pot....and I'm not just talking financially. People have forgotten to look a Switzerland and a couple others in all of this.
This is confusing as I thought Swiss approach was off the table by the leave side. Have the leave campaign confirmed what approach they have ? It would be good to know at least a day or two before the voting day "lol... | |||
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"Wasn't a great program, looking forward to watching Andrew Neill taking on George Osborne this evening. Still undecided, I've always been rather contrary and when so many people tell me to do something I tend to do the opposite. While the benefits of free trade with the EU are obvious, I can't help feeling a vote to stay in will lead to an inexorable move to a United States of Europe. While our system isn't perfect, and far from it, at least we know who are responsible for decisions and we get our chance to fire them or back them every 5 years. " It always makes me laugh when people say we get free trade with the EU. We don't because we pay billions every year in EU Membership fees, which is a tariff of sorts. | |||
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Here is the guy David Cameron who has done a forecast on just about every possibly under the sun in this EU referendum, but when asked a direct question on this all he can say is "I haven't done a forecast on it". When he said that it was met with loud groans and some boos from the audience. I just laughed at Cameron making a complete prat of himself live on national television. Laughable stuff coming from Cameron and the Remain campaign. | |||
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"Farage is offensive but I actually left the house after 20 mins of Cameron. I wanted to slap his sumg, stupid, fat face... Pissing on about how the UK is better off in the EU and how committed the g'ment are and how it'll be like a Hieronymus Bosch painting if we left... As if some other smug, fat stupid entitled cunt/man had randomly pledged to give the country a referendum in the first place. I had to leave the house. Go for a walk. Prick. You missed the last 10 minutes then where Cameron basically said if you want to leave the EU you are a quitter, a little Englander and you don't love Britain. Judging by the polls Cameron just insulted half of the population of the country and half of his own party who want to Leave the EU. Yeah great way to win votes Dave, just insult them! ".................I helped at a dinner for old army veteran's last week..all of these old boy's who served their country are voting out....so that slimey cunt Cameron think's these heroe's don't love their country...Fuck the EU..And fuck off Cameron. | |||
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"It's much more deeper than a 10 minute Q&A session. Those MPS who want to stay in are only interested in there pocket. If you where pocketing £3900 per month plus any expensive I'm sure you would want everyone to stay. Part of the reason the whole world seems to be telling us to stay in is that they know that the UK leaving is likely to end the whole federal European project. " | |||
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"It's much more deeper than a 10 minute Q&A session. Those MPS who want to stay in are only interested in there pocket. If you where pocketing £3900 per month plus any expensive I'm sure you would want everyone to stay. That's their primary driving force. I just listened to Gov and he made alot of sense about taking back control. If we don't now it won't come up again for a very long time. " | |||
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"Farage is offensive but I actually left the house after 20 mins of Cameron. I wanted to slap his sumg, stupid, fat face... Pissing on about how the UK is better off in the EU and how committed the g'ment are and how it'll be like a Hieronymus Bosch painting if we left... As if some other smug, fat stupid entitled cunt/man had randomly pledged to give the country a referendum in the first place. I had to leave the house. Go for a walk. Prick. You missed the last 10 minutes then where Cameron basically said if you want to leave the EU you are a quitter, a little Englander and you don't love Britain. Judging by the polls Cameron just insulted half of the population of the country and half of his own party who want to Leave the EU. Yeah great way to win votes Dave, just insult them! .................I helped at a dinner for old army veteran's last week..all of these old boy's who served their country are voting out....so that slimey cunt Cameron think's these heroe's don't love their country...Fuck the EU..And fuck off Cameron."Did you see the veterans for Brexit story yesterday? In a letter to The Sun newspaper 270 members of veterans for Britain, ex service personnel and those currently serving our country in the armed forces were urged to register to vote before the deadline. It is thought the armed forces vote could swing the vote one way or the other so as the deadline to register to vote has been extended until tomorrow now because of website problems on the registration website spread the word with the armed forces community and make sure they are registered to vote before tomorrow. George D Cowie, a former army sergeant said in the letter, "our forebears fought and made terrible sacrifices in 2 world wars for the freedom of their families and the sovereignty of this great country. It falls upon us once again to fight for our freedom and our sovereignty". Fears have been raised with veterans for Brexit that many armed forces personnel are not registered so the deadline is now tomorrow make sure they register and vote. | |||
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"Farage is offensive but I actually left the house after 20 mins of Cameron. I wanted to slap his sumg, stupid, fat face... Pissing on about how the UK is better off in the EU and how committed the g'ment are and how it'll be like a Hieronymus Bosch painting if we left... As if some other smug, fat stupid entitled cunt/man had randomly pledged to give the country a referendum in the first place. I had to leave the house. Go for a walk. Prick. You missed the last 10 minutes then where Cameron basically said if you want to leave the EU you are a quitter, a little Englander and you don't love Britain. Judging by the polls Cameron just insulted half of the population of the country and half of his own party who want to Leave the EU. Yeah great way to win votes Dave, just insult them! .................I helped at a dinner for old army veteran's last week..all of these old boy's who served their country are voting out....so that slimey cunt Cameron think's these heroe's don't love their country...Fuck the EU..And fuck off Cameron.
Did you see the veterans for Brexit story yesterday? In a letter to The Sun newspaper 270 members of veterans for Britain, ex service personnel and those currently serving our country in the armed forces were urged to register to vote before the deadline. It is thought the armed forces vote could swing the vote one way or the other so as the deadline to register to vote has been extended until tomorrow now because of website problems on the registration website spread the word with the armed forces community and make sure they are registered to vote before tomorrow. George D Cowie, a former army sergeant said in the letter, "our forebears fought and made terrible sacrifices in 2 world wars for the freedom of their families and the sovereignty of this great country. It falls upon us once again to fight for our freedom and our sovereignty".
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"How fucking stupid is it to let un-elected foreign bureaucrats have remote control of our finances, justice, borders, employment etc etc. Forget all this ridiculous personality/sound-bite blarney, lets leave this european farce to it's eventual demise. Vote out. 1. "They" are not " unelected" they are elected by the council of ministers. Bear in mind that in UK our ministers are not elected. They are appointed by the Prime Minister; and Ministers do not have to be elected MPs ; many aren't. 2.The EU does not have control of our finances: we do 3. The EU does not have control of our justice; we do 4. The EU does not have control of our borders: we do 5. The EU does not have control of our employment: we do." So Sorry, it must be true if you say so using bullet points. | |||
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"And If we leave why should we suddenly be prevented from trading with the rest of EU? Or anything else that they are trying to insinuate on the the current Bremain propaganda campaign. " It's the terms of trade that people care about. What are the leave campaign proposing for this ? Would be good to know this side of the vote | |||
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"How fucking stupid is it to let un-elected foreign bureaucrats have remote control of our finances, justice, borders, employment etc etc. Forget all this ridiculous personality/sound-bite blarney, lets leave this european farce to it's eventual demise. Vote out. 1. "They" are not " unelected" they are elected by the council of ministers. Bear in mind that in UK our ministers are not elected. They are appointed by the Prime Minister; and Ministers do not have to be elected MPs ; many aren't. 2.The EU does not have control of our finances: we do 3. The EU does not have control of our justice; we do 4. The EU does not have control of our borders: we do 5. The EU does not have control of our employment: we do. So Sorry, it must be true if you say so using bullet points." | |||
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"How fucking stupid is it to let un-elected foreign bureaucrats have remote control of our finances, justice, borders, employment etc etc. Forget all this ridiculous personality/sound-bite blarney, lets leave this european farce to it's eventual demise. Vote out. 1. "They" are not " unelected" they are elected by the council of ministers. Bear in mind that in UK our ministers are not elected. They are appointed by the Prime Minister; and Ministers do not have to be elected MPs ; many aren't. 2.The EU does not have control of our finances: we do 3. The EU does not have control of our justice; we do 4. The EU does not have control of our borders: we do 5. The EU does not have control of our employment: we do." The Simpsons Stonecutters Song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZI_aEalijE | |||
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"And If we leave why should we suddenly be prevented from trading with the rest of EU? Or anything else that they are trying to insinuate on the the current Bremain propaganda campaign. It's the terms of trade that people care about. What are the leave campaign proposing for this ? Would be good to know this side of the vote "Err, easier trade with the rest of the world | |||
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Err, easier trade with the rest of the world "So no idea really, marvellous planning | |||
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"And If we leave why should we suddenly be prevented from trading with the rest of EU? Or anything else that they are trying to insinuate on the the current Bremain propaganda campaign. It's the terms of trade that people care about. What are the leave campaign proposing for this ? Would be good to know this side of the vote
Err, easier trade with the rest of the world
So no idea really, marvellous planning "Why is that not an idea? | |||
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"Watching this now and fell like throwing the tv out the window, some really unfair comments to Farage specially about being racist to black peopleather cos he has such high views on net migration! Really? I work with with black/ Asian all sorts of regions at the hospital and they have expressed there concerns how is it racist? Confused is the word right now" Nigel is a tit. End of story. | |||
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"And If we leave why should we suddenly be prevented from trading with the rest of EU? Or anything else that they are trying to insinuate on the the current Bremain propaganda campaign. It's the terms of trade that people care about. What are the leave campaign proposing for this ? Would be good to know this side of the vote
Err, easier trade with the rest of the world
So no idea really, marvellous planning
Why is that not an idea?"An idea has details not an adjective | |||
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"And If we leave why should we suddenly be prevented from trading with the rest of EU? Or anything else that they are trying to insinuate on the the current Bremain propaganda campaign. " not sure anyone has said we will be 'prevented' from trading if we leave, its accepted that other countries have had to negotiate trade deals with the EU and both sides accept that we will also.. what that will entail is again a matter of supposition and assumption but what it will cause is a period of uncertainty and instability whilst those negotiations are taking place and commerce does not like instability.. what we have at present may not be what we have trade deal wise and no one can say if it will be beneficial.. | |||
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"And If we leave why should we suddenly be prevented from trading with the rest of EU? Or anything else that they are trying to insinuate on the the current Bremain propaganda campaign. It's the terms of trade that people care about. What are the leave campaign proposing for this ? Would be good to know this side of the vote
Err, easier trade with the rest of the world
So no idea really, marvellous planning
Why is that not an idea?
An idea has details not an adjective "well what are the EU's plans to increase trade? | |||
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"And If we leave why should we suddenly be prevented from trading with the rest of EU? Or anything else that they are trying to insinuate on the the current Bremain propaganda campaign. It's the terms of trade that people care about. What are the leave campaign proposing for this ? Would be good to know this side of the vote
Err, easier trade with the rest of the world
So no idea really, marvellous planning
Why is that not an idea?
An idea has details not an adjective
well what are the EU's plans to increase trade?"Nice try switching topic. We leave on 24th so now the UK needs a plan on how to deal with the EU trade and other major markets. Some details on what the best approach would be good to know. | |||
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"And If we leave why should we suddenly be prevented from trading with the rest of EU? Or anything else that they are trying to insinuate on the the current Bremain propaganda campaign. It's the terms of trade that people care about. What are the leave campaign proposing for this ? Would be good to know this side of the vote
Err, easier trade with the rest of the world
So no idea really, marvellous planning
Why is that not an idea?
An idea has details not an adjective
well what are the EU's plans to increase trade?
Nice try switching topic. We leave on 24th so now the UK needs a plan on how to deal with the EU trade and other major markets. Some details on what the best approach would be good to know."Actually (if it's a leave vote in the Referendum, ) we don't leave on the 24th; The government goes to Parliament for a vote on whether we leave ( the referendum has no actual power to do anything; it's simply a declaration of the people's wishes ) once Parliament has voted " yes", ( it will probably require an act to be drafted to do it ) we then apply to the EU to leave; it is a two year process . We would leave sometime in 2018. On the way to leaving, Parliament has to agree all the individual terms and conditions negotiated with the EU, the terms for stopping the conditions that are part of the EU, and any new agreements we wish to make . We don't just " walk away". It is going to be an incredibly complex process . | |||
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"Or a rush to invest in the UK" dream on only a fool and his money are easily parted ..no major company or country has said it will invest substantially in the UK as a result of a brexit vote ..only companies saying they may scale back operations in the UK ... If we leave the EU ..but then you already know brexit will cost jobs ..that's the price to pay for your perceived freedom ... | |||
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"It is quite odd how people still call Farage a 'racist'. When he was the only guy saying an open door immigration policy was stupid Labour and the Luvvies threw down the 'Racism' card at him to stop all discussion. And happily lied to us about how many would come here. They said 30,000. Farage said millions and who was right? I defy anyone to quote ANY racist comments made by Farage during this debate or indeed at any time. To say we must protect our country is NOT racist. To say we have too many immigrants here is NOT racist. The woman who gobbed off big time about Farage pillorying black people was actually a bloody liar. Sadly no one challenged her and Farage was shut down as he tried to correct her. And setting aside personalities lets remember it is only because of Farage and UKIP and 25 years of their campaigning that we are actually HAVING this Referendum. Well done that man I say. Vote OUT on the 23rd and lets have our own Independence Day...." just search the internet here's one ....Nigel Farage yesterday stoked the row over his ‘racist’ attack on Romanians by insisting that they were more likely to commit crime than other immigrants. He has made over fifty racist comments in the past two years are you to blind to see farage and ukip are a sexist racist homophobic party just type those words preceded by ukip and you will find all of them | |||
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"Or a rush to invest in the UKdream on only a fool and his money are easily parted ..no major company or country has said it will invest substantially in the UK as a result of a brexit vote ..only companies saying they may scale back operations in the UK ... If we leave the EU ..but then you already know brexit will cost jobs ..that's the price to pay for your perceived freedom ..." Only a fool and his money are easily parted. mmmm... take it that's why you don't have a Residencia | |||
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"It is quite odd how people still call Farage a 'racist'. When he was the only guy saying an open door immigration policy was stupid Labour and the Luvvies threw down the 'Racism' card at him to stop all discussion. And happily lied to us about how many would come here. They said 30,000. Farage said millions and who was right? I defy anyone to quote ANY racist comments made by Farage during this debate or indeed at any time. To say we must protect our country is NOT racist. To say we have too many immigrants here is NOT racist. The woman who gobbed off big time about Farage pillorying black people was actually a bloody liar. Sadly no one challenged her and Farage was shut down as he tried to correct her. And setting aside personalities lets remember it is only because of Farage and UKIP and 25 years of their campaigning that we are actually HAVING this Referendum. Well done that man I say. Vote OUT on the 23rd and lets have our own Independence Day....just search the internet here's one ....Nigel Farage yesterday stoked the row over his ‘racist’ attack on Romanians by insisting that they were more likely to commit crime than other immigrants. He has made over fifty racist comments in the past two years are you to blind to see farage and ukip are a sexist racist homophobic party just type those words preceded by ukip and you will find all of them " I'm not a supporter as such but can't find any | |||
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"And If we leave why should we suddenly be prevented from trading with the rest of EU? Or anything else that they are trying to insinuate on the the current Bremain propaganda campaign. " Correct. It won't change any of that one little bit...the main difference which people seem to put so little emphasis on is that we the people can start to take back what out politicians have been giving away for their own benefits. Unfortunately recent British tradition has been of the white woolly bleeting rather than the protection of our heritage. Dare I say it the french have more spunk that most of us now... | |||
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"It is quite odd how people still call Farage a 'racist'. When he was the only guy saying an open door immigration policy was stupid Labour and the Luvvies threw down the 'Racism' card at him to stop all discussion. And happily lied to us about how many would come here. They said 30,000. Farage said millions and who was right? I defy anyone to quote ANY racist comments made by Farage during this debate or indeed at any time. To say we must protect our country is NOT racist. To say we have too many immigrants here is NOT racist. The woman who gobbed off big time about Farage pillorying black people was actually a bloody liar. Sadly no one challenged her and Farage was shut down as he tried to correct her. And setting aside personalities lets remember it is only because of Farage and UKIP and 25 years of their campaigning that we are actually HAVING this Referendum. Well done that man I say. Vote OUT on the 23rd and lets have our own Independence Day....just search the internet here's one ....Nigel Farage yesterday stoked the row over his ‘racist’ attack on Romanians by insisting that they were more likely to commit crime than other immigrants. He has made over fifty racist comments in the past two years are you to blind to see farage and ukip are a sexist racist homophobic party just type those words preceded by ukip and you will find all of them not a supporter as such but can't find any" I'm am surprised there are well over 50 in the past two years posted by the British press ..but you have minimise fab to search for them only the the blind cant see try brail ..... | |||
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"It is quite odd how people still call Farage a 'racist'. When he was the only guy saying an open door immigration policy was stupid Labour and the Luvvies threw down the 'Racism' card at him to stop all discussion. And happily lied to us about how many would come here. They said 30,000. Farage said millions and who was right? I defy anyone to quote ANY racist comments made by Farage during this debate or indeed at any time. To say we must protect our country is NOT racist. To say we have too many immigrants here is NOT racist. The woman who gobbed off big time about Farage pillorying black people was actually a bloody liar. Sadly no one challenged her and Farage was shut down as he tried to correct her. And setting aside personalities lets remember it is only because of Farage and UKIP and 25 years of their campaigning that we are actually HAVING this Referendum. Well done that man I say. Vote OUT on the 23rd and lets have our own Independence Day....just search the internet here's one ....Nigel Farage yesterday stoked the row over his ‘racist’ attack on Romanians by insisting that they were more likely to commit crime than other immigrants. He has made over fifty racist comments in the past two years are you to blind to see farage and ukip are a sexist racist homophobic party just type those words preceded by ukip and you will find all of them not a supporter as such but can't find any I'm am surprised there are well over 50 in the past two years posted by the British press ..but you have minimise fab to search for them only the the blind cant see try brail ....." Give us one quote | |||
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"It is quite odd how people still call Farage a 'racist'. When he was the only guy saying an open door immigration policy was stupid Labour and the Luvvies threw down the 'Racism' card at him to stop all discussion. And happily lied to us about how many would come here. They said 30,000. Farage said millions and who was right? I defy anyone to quote ANY racist comments made by Farage during this debate or indeed at any time. To say we must protect our country is NOT racist. To say we have too many immigrants here is NOT racist. The woman who gobbed off big time about Farage pillorying black people was actually a bloody liar. Sadly no one challenged her and Farage was shut down as he tried to correct her. And setting aside personalities lets remember it is only because of Farage and UKIP and 25 years of their campaigning that we are actually HAVING this Referendum. Well done that man I say. Vote OUT on the 23rd and lets have our own Independence Day....just search the internet here's one ....Nigel Farage yesterday stoked the row over his ‘racist’ attack on Romanians by insisting that they were more likely to commit crime than other immigrants. He has made over fifty racist comments in the past two years are you to blind to see farage and ukip are a sexist racist homophobic party just type those words preceded by ukip and you will find all of them not a supporter as such but can't find any I'm am surprised there are well over 50 in the past two years posted by the British press ..but you have minimise fab to search for them only the the blind cant see try brail ..... Give us one quote" its already up here Nigel farage insisting Romanians are more likely to commit crime than any other immigrant..is a racist comment against the Romanians.. Sexist his comment about women in the city should earn less than men .. .. | |||
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"It is quite odd how people still call Farage a 'racist'. When he was the only guy saying an open door immigration policy was stupid Labour and the Luvvies threw down the 'Racism' card at him to stop all discussion. And happily lied to us about how many would come here. They said 30,000. Farage said millions and who was right? I defy anyone to quote ANY racist comments made by Farage during this debate or indeed at any time. To say we must protect our country is NOT racist. To say we have too many immigrants here is NOT racist. The woman who gobbed off big time about Farage pillorying black people was actually a bloody liar. Sadly no one challenged her and Farage was shut down as he tried to correct her. And setting aside personalities lets remember it is only because of Farage and UKIP and 25 years of their campaigning that we are actually HAVING this Referendum. Well done that man I say. Vote OUT on the 23rd and lets have our own Independence Day....just search the internet here's one ....Nigel Farage yesterday stoked the row over his ‘racist’ attack on Romanians by insisting that they were more likely to commit crime than other immigrants. He has made over fifty racist comments in the past two years are you to blind to see farage and ukip are a sexist racist homophobic party just type those words preceded by ukip and you will find all of them not a supporter as such but can't find any I'm am surprised there are well over 50 in the past two years posted by the British press ..but you have minimise fab to search for them only the the blind cant see try brail ..... Give us one quoteits already up here Nigel farage insisting Romanians are more likely to commit crime than any other immigrant..is a racist comment against the Romanians.. Sexist his comment about women in the city should earn less than men .. .." . Statistically he's correct, is it morally right to point it out, maybe, maybe not | |||
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"It is quite odd how people still call Farage a 'racist'. When he was the only guy saying an open door immigration policy was stupid Labour and the Luvvies threw down the 'Racism' card at him to stop all discussion. And happily lied to us about how many would come here. They said 30,000. Farage said millions and who was right? I defy anyone to quote ANY racist comments made by Farage during this debate or indeed at any time. To say we must protect our country is NOT racist. To say we have too many immigrants here is NOT racist. The woman who gobbed off big time about Farage pillorying black people was actually a bloody liar. Sadly no one challenged her and Farage was shut down as he tried to correct her. And setting aside personalities lets remember it is only because of Farage and UKIP and 25 years of their campaigning that we are actually HAVING this Referendum. Well done that man I say. Vote OUT on the 23rd and lets have our own Independence Day....just search the internet here's one ....Nigel Farage yesterday stoked the row over his ‘racist’ attack on Romanians by insisting that they were more likely to commit crime than other immigrants. He has made over fifty racist comments in the past two years are you to blind to see farage and ukip are a sexist racist homophobic party just type those words preceded by ukip and you will find all of them not a supporter as such but can't find any I'm am surprised there are well over 50 in the past two years posted by the British press ..but you have minimise fab to search for them only the the blind cant see try brail ..... Give us one quoteits already up here Nigel farage insisting Romanians are more likely to commit crime than any other immigrant..is a racist comment against the Romanians.. Sexist his comment about women in the city should earn less than men .. ... Statistically he's correct, is it morally right to point it out, maybe, maybe not" about which women or the Romanians..and what statistics are you referring ? | |||
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"It is quite odd how people still call Farage a 'racist'. When he was the only guy saying an open door immigration policy was stupid Labour and the Luvvies threw down the 'Racism' card at him to stop all discussion. And happily lied to us about how many would come here. They said 30,000. Farage said millions and who was right? I defy anyone to quote ANY racist comments made by Farage during this debate or indeed at any time. To say we must protect our country is NOT racist. To say we have too many immigrants here is NOT racist. The woman who gobbed off big time about Farage pillorying black people was actually a bloody liar. Sadly no one challenged her and Farage was shut down as he tried to correct her. And setting aside personalities lets remember it is only because of Farage and UKIP and 25 years of their campaigning that we are actually HAVING this Referendum. Well done that man I say. Vote OUT on the 23rd and lets have our own Independence Day....just search the internet here's one ....Nigel Farage yesterday stoked the row over his ‘racist’ attack on Romanians by insisting that they were more likely to commit crime than other immigrants. He has made over fifty racist comments in the past two years are you to blind to see farage and ukip are a sexist racist homophobic party just type those words preceded by ukip and you will find all of them not a supporter as such but can't find any I'm am surprised there are well over 50 in the past two years posted by the British press ..but you have minimise fab to search for them only the the blind cant see try brail ..... Give us one quoteits already up here Nigel farage insisting Romanians are more likely to commit crime than any other immigrant..is a racist comment against the Romanians.. Sexist his comment about women in the city should earn less than men .. ... Statistically he's correct, is it morally right to point it out, maybe, maybe not" You beat me to it. When Farage made those comments about Romanian criminals he backed it up with official MET police crime statistics. Again like the woman in the audience on itv last night people on here making racist accusations and just looking at hysterical newspaper headlines, without looking deeper into it and what was actually said at the time. It now turns out after some investigations in the media that woman who berated Farage in the audience on itv last night is a Huffington Post blogger (not sure why anyone should be surprised by that though?). | |||
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"It is quite odd how people still call Farage a 'racist'. When he was the only guy saying an open door immigration policy was stupid Labour and the Luvvies threw down the 'Racism' card at him to stop all discussion. And happily lied to us about how many would come here. They said 30,000. Farage said millions and who was right? I defy anyone to quote ANY racist comments made by Farage during this debate or indeed at any time. To say we must protect our country is NOT racist. To say we have too many immigrants here is NOT racist. The woman who gobbed off big time about Farage pillorying black people was actually a bloody liar. Sadly no one challenged her and Farage was shut down as he tried to correct her. And setting aside personalities lets remember it is only because of Farage and UKIP and 25 years of their campaigning that we are actually HAVING this Referendum. Well done that man I say. Vote OUT on the 23rd and lets have our own Independence Day....just search the internet here's one ....Nigel Farage yesterday stoked the row over his ‘racist’ attack on Romanians by insisting that they were more likely to commit crime than other immigrants. He has made over fifty racist comments in the past two years are you to blind to see farage and ukip are a sexist racist homophobic party just type those words preceded by ukip and you will find all of them not a supporter as such but can't find any I'm am surprised there are well over 50 in the past two years posted by the British press ..but you have minimise fab to search for them only the the blind cant see try brail ..... Give us one quoteits already up here Nigel farage insisting Romanians are more likely to commit crime than any other immigrant..is a racist comment against the Romanians.. Sexist his comment about women in the city should earn less than men .. ... Statistically he's correct, is it morally right to point it out, maybe, maybe not You beat me to it. When Farage made those comments about Romanian criminals he backed it up with official MET police crime statistics. Again like the woman in the audience on itv last night people on here making racist accusations and just looking at hysterical newspaper headlines, without looking deeper into it and what was actually said at the time. It now turns out after some investigations in the media that woman who berated Farage in the audience on itv last night is a Huffington Post blogger (not sure why anyone should be surprised by that though?). "he made the claim in may 2014 on a live radio interview never backed it up with met statistics also said people would rather live next door Germans than Romanians listen to the interview a d stop supporting a racist sexist homophobic party leader .... | |||
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" Well yes and no. It IS about leaving the European Union (which we never voted for) and we WILL have to leave Single Market. But it is most certainly about immigration as whenj we DO leave we can control a) what people we need for our economy, b) How many we can support in our country and c) who we let in and under what terms. As has been said it works for Australia. And before we get the 'per capita' nonsense yes Australia lets in more than we do (per capita but not the same volume) but they do NOT have an open door like we do and it is a very big country unlike here." Well it’s only an open door policy for people already living in the EU wanting to enter the UK, due to EU rules on free movement of people; the UK must admit EU citizens and their family members. As regards most non-EU citizens, the UK still controls its borders. As far as immigrants coming from outside the EU the UK will not gain any extra powers to control their entry compared to the powers it has already. So to re iterate for those immigrants the UK (should it choose to) can already apply the terms you’ve stated “a) What people we need for our economy, b) How many we can support in our country and c) who we let in and under what terms” Just like the Australians. Now let’s go back to the EU citizens, if the UK were to leave the European political union (by the way the reason we did not voted for it was most probably we were either too young or a twinkle in our parents eyes, but the UK citizens that were around and eligible at the time did vote for) but still wanted to trade in the single market which we most likely will want to do then the UK will have to accept the EU terms and conditions set out will inevitably mean accepting the free movement of EU citizens. Just like Norway and Switzerland (the examples people like to give) are having to do. So as you can see as far as immigration is concerned there will be no difference. So those purported millions of Turkish waiting to rush the UK soon as they join the EU (it’s looking difficult for them to join at the moment) will be coming weather we are in or out of the European political union. The only way the UK can stop the free movement of EU citizens is to leave the European single market as well as the European Union. But why would the UK want to leave the single market, after all if you were a trader trading on eBay or amazon and prospering why would you then want to leave that to go trade on gum tree? | |||
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" Well yes and no. It IS about leaving the European Union (which we never voted for) and we WILL have to leave Single Market. But it is most certainly about immigration as whenj we DO leave we can control a) what people we need for our economy, b) How many we can support in our country and c) who we let in and under what terms. As has been said it works for Australia. And before we get the 'per capita' nonsense yes Australia lets in more than we do (per capita but not the same volume) but they do NOT have an open door like we do and it is a very big country unlike here. Well it’s only an open door policy for people already living in the EU wanting to enter the UK, due to EU rules on free movement of people; the UK must admit EU citizens and their family members. As regards most non-EU citizens, the UK still controls its borders. As far as immigrants coming from outside the EU the UK will not gain any extra powers to control their entry compared to the powers it has already. So to re iterate for those immigrants the UK (should it choose to) can already apply the terms you’ve stated “a) What people we need for our economy, b) How many we can support in our country and c) who we let in and under what terms” Just like the Australians. Now let’s go back to the EU citizens, if the UK were to leave the European political union (by the way the reason we did not voted for it was most probably we were either too young or a twinkle in our parents eyes, but the UK citizens that were around and eligible at the time did vote for) but still wanted to trade in the single market which we most likely will want to do then the UK will have to accept the EU terms and conditions set out will inevitably mean accepting the free movement of EU citizens. Just like Norway and Switzerland (the examples people like to give) are having to do. So as you can see as far as immigration is concerned there will be no difference. So those purported millions of Turkish waiting to rush the UK soon as they join the EU (it’s looking difficult for them to join at the moment) will be coming weather we are in or out of the European political union. The only way the UK can stop the free movement of EU citizens is to leave the European single market as well as the European Union. But why would the UK want to leave the single market, after all if you were a trader trading on eBay or amazon and prospering why would you then want to leave that to go trade on gum tree? " Bit of a strange example to use, as you don't need to be in the single market to buy stuff from eBay or Amazon. USA are not in the EU or the single market, we don't even have any kind of trade deal with them, yet you can buy stuff from USA on ebay or Amazon, there are probably even ads on Gumtree from USA if you look hard enough. Point is the EU is outdated and past its sell by date, an analogue union in a now digital age. We live in a globalised world and people trade globally over the internet without the need for trade deals. The EU is a relic of the past. The single market is not a magic bullet for free trade anyway, we pay billions every year in EU membership fees to access the single market so that is a tariff of sorts. | |||
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" Well yes and no. It IS about leaving the European Union (which we never voted for) and we WILL have to leave Single Market. But it is most certainly about immigration as whenj we DO leave we can control a) what people we need for our economy, b) How many we can support in our country and c) who we let in and under what terms. As has been said it works for Australia. And before we get the 'per capita' nonsense yes Australia lets in more than we do (per capita but not the same volume) but they do NOT have an open door like we do and it is a very big country unlike here. Well it’s only an open door policy for people already living in the EU wanting to enter the UK, due to EU rules on free movement of people; the UK must admit EU citizens and their family members. As regards most non-EU citizens, the UK still controls its borders. As far as immigrants coming from outside the EU the UK will not gain any extra powers to control their entry compared to the powers it has already. So to re iterate for those immigrants the UK (should it choose to) can already apply the terms you’ve stated “a) What people we need for our economy, b) How many we can support in our country and c) who we let in and under what terms” Just like the Australians. Now let’s go back to the EU citizens, if the UK were to leave the European political union (by the way the reason we did not voted for it was most probably we were either too young or a twinkle in our parents eyes, but the UK citizens that were around and eligible at the time did vote for) but still wanted to trade in the single market which we most likely will want to do then the UK will have to accept the EU terms and conditions set out will inevitably mean accepting the free movement of EU citizens. Just like Norway and Switzerland (the examples people like to give) are having to do. So as you can see as far as immigration is concerned there will be no difference. So those purported millions of Turkish waiting to rush the UK soon as they join the EU (it’s looking difficult for them to join at the moment) will be coming weather we are in or out of the European political union. The only way the UK can stop the free movement of EU citizens is to leave the European single market as well as the European Union. But why would the UK want to leave the single market, after all if you were a trader trading on eBay or amazon and prospering why would you then want to leave that to go trade on gum tree? Bit of a strange example to use, as you don't need to be in the single market to buy stuff from eBay or Amazon. USA are not in the EU or the single market, we don't even have any kind of trade deal with them, yet you can buy stuff from USA on ebay or Amazon, there are probably even ads on Gumtree from USA if you look hard enough. Point is the EU is outdated and past its sell by date, an analogue union in a now digital age. We live in a globalised world and people trade globally over the internet without the need for trade deals. The EU is a relic of the past. The single market is not a magic bullet for free trade anyway, we pay billions every year in EU membership fees to access the single market so that is a tariff of sorts. " the UK signed a trade deal with china in 2014 cost the UK 29 million in aid to china and they slap up to 45% import tax on motor vehicles we send there not really free trade with any country ..because there is only free trade within the EU for EU members ... | |||
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"Or a rush to invest in the UK" i so love the nievity of that comment..... your comments always crack me up....
oh yeah.... like dan ask.... can we have detail on this please?
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" Bit of a strange example to use, as you don't need to be in the single market to buy stuff from eBay or Amazon. USA are not in the EU or the single market, we don't even have any kind of trade deal with them, yet you can buy stuff from USA on ebay or Amazon, there are probably even ads on Gumtree from USA if you look hard enough. " I was giving the example to emphasise the difference in market size. A trader trading on eBay/Amazon has access to a bigger customer base then one trading on gum tree. | |||
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" Bit of a strange example to use, as you don't need to be in the single market to buy stuff from eBay or Amazon. USA are not in the EU or the single market, we don't even have any kind of trade deal with them, yet you can buy stuff from USA on ebay or Amazon, there are probably even ads on Gumtree from USA if you look hard enough. I was giving the example to emphasise the difference in market size. A trader trading on eBay/Amazon has access to a bigger customer base then one trading on gum tree." Does the single market really mean you can buy something on amazon or ebay . F*$k me Mastricht really was over-rated !! | |||
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" Well yes and no. It IS about leaving the European Union (which we never voted for) and we WILL have to leave Single Market. But it is most certainly about immigration as whenj we DO leave we can control a) what people we need for our economy, b) How many we can support in our country and c) who we let in and under what terms. As has been said it works for Australia. And before we get the 'per capita' nonsense yes Australia lets in more than we do (per capita but not the same volume) but they do NOT have an open door like we do and it is a very big country unlike here. Well it’s only an open door policy for people already living in the EU wanting to enter the UK, due to EU rules on free movement of people; the UK must admit EU citizens and their family members. As regards most non-EU citizens, the UK still controls its borders. As far as immigrants coming from outside the EU the UK will not gain any extra powers to control their entry compared to the powers it has already. So to re iterate for those immigrants the UK (should it choose to) can already apply the terms you’ve stated “a) What people we need for our economy, b) How many we can support in our country and c) who we let in and under what terms” Just like the Australians. Now let’s go back to the EU citizens, if the UK were to leave the European political union (by the way the reason we did not voted for it was most probably we were either too young or a twinkle in our parents eyes, but the UK citizens that were around and eligible at the time did vote for) but still wanted to trade in the single market which we most likely will want to do then the UK will have to accept the EU terms and conditions set out will inevitably mean accepting the free movement of EU citizens. Just like Norway and Switzerland (the examples people like to give) are having to do. So as you can see as far as immigration is concerned there will be no difference. So those purported millions of Turkish waiting to rush the UK soon as they join the EU (it’s looking difficult for them to join at the moment) will be coming weather we are in or out of the European political union. The only way the UK can stop the free movement of EU citizens is to leave the European single market as well as the European Union. But why would the UK want to leave the single market, after all if you were a trader trading on eBay or amazon and prospering why would you then want to leave that to go trade on gum tree? Bit of a strange example to use, as you don't need to be in the single market to buy stuff from eBay or Amazon. USA are not in the EU or the single market, we don't even have any kind of trade deal with them, yet you can buy stuff from USA on ebay or Amazon, there are probably even ads on Gumtree from USA if you look hard enough. Point is the EU is outdated and past its sell by date, an analogue union in a now digital age. We live in a globalised world and people trade globally over the internet without the need for trade deals. The EU is a relic of the past. The single market is not a magic bullet for free trade anyway, we pay billions every year in EU membership fees to access the single market so that is a tariff of sorts. the UK signed a trade deal with china in 2014 cost the UK 29 million in aid to china and they slap up to 45% import tax on motor vehicles we send there not really free trade with any country ..because there is only free trade within the EU for EU members ..." Thats false as we can't sign our own British trade deals while we are members of the EU. We only get EU trade deals negotiated by the EU as members of the EU. Its partly why EU trade deals take years and years and years to reach conclusion because you have to get agreement between 28 member countries. We could do them much quicker on a 1 to 1 country basis ouside of the EU, negotiated by British representatives instead of a faceless EU Eurocrat. Secondly despite the tariffs you say China slap on our motor cars, one of Jaguar/Land Rover biggest customers is the Chinese market, we export loads of Jaguar/Land Rover cars over there because they love our product and tariffs are no barrier to trade if someone wants a product they will pay the price for it. That is how business works between buyers and sellers. One of CAT/JCB biggest markets is also China, again they think our JCB diggers and earth movers are quality products so they pay the price including the tariff. Lastly we are not getting free trade with EU members because we pay an EU membership fee, so we are paying for access to the single market. There is an old saying "No such thing as a free lunch in this world". | |||
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" Bit of a strange example to use, as you don't need to be in the single market to buy stuff from eBay or Amazon. USA are not in the EU or the single market, we don't even have any kind of trade deal with them, yet you can buy stuff from USA on ebay or Amazon, there are probably even ads on Gumtree from USA if you look hard enough. I was giving the example to emphasise the difference in market size. A trader trading on eBay/Amazon has access to a bigger customer base then one trading on gum tree." if you buy stuff on ebay theirs a custom charge on anything over £135 and uk vat added on anything over £15 because theirs no free trading between countries is that not the point of the single market withing the eu ? | |||
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" Thats false as we can't sign our own British trade deals while we are members of the EU. We only get EU trade deals negotiated by the EU as members of the EU. Its partly why EU trade deals take years and years and years to reach conclusion because you have to get agreement between 28 member countries. We could do them much quicker on a 1 to 1 country basis ouside of the EU, negotiated by British representatives instead of a faceless EU Eurocrat. " Actually all of the above is completely untrue: UK is at liberty to conclude trade deals with anyone it pleases .sll that is required ( since we are members of the EU ) is that goods incoming are EU compliant . As far as time is concerned; the EU is remarkably quick at concluding trade deals . That it takes ages is a complete myth, with no basis; compare deals made by and between countries such as the US, Canada, Australia, China India, and compare them with Deals made by the EU . I mean truth, not UKIP/ BREXIT lies. | |||
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" Well yes and no. It IS about leaving the European Union (which we never voted for) and we WILL have to leave Single Market. But it is most certainly about immigration as whenj we DO leave we can control a) what people we need for our economy, b) How many we can support in our country and c) who we let in and under what terms. As has been said it works for Australia. And before we get the 'per capita' nonsense yes Australia lets in more than we do (per capita but not the same volume) but they do NOT have an open door like we do and it is a very big country unlike here. Well it’s only an open door policy for people already living in the EU wanting to enter the UK, due to EU rules on free movement of people; the UK must admit EU citizens and their family members. As regards most non-EU citizens, the UK still controls its borders. As far as immigrants coming from outside the EU the UK will not gain any extra powers to control their entry compared to the powers it has already. So to re iterate for those immigrants the UK (should it choose to) can already apply the terms you’ve stated “a) What people we need for our economy, b) How many we can support in our country and c) who we let in and under what terms” Just like the Australians. Now let’s go back to the EU citizens, if the UK were to leave the European political union (by the way the reason we did not voted for it was most probably we were either too young or a twinkle in our parents eyes, but the UK citizens that were around and eligible at the time did vote for) but still wanted to trade in the single market which we most likely will want to do then the UK will have to accept the EU terms and conditions set out will inevitably mean accepting the free movement of EU citizens. Just like Norway and Switzerland (the examples people like to give) are having to do. So as you can see as far as immigration is concerned there will be no difference. So those purported millions of Turkish waiting to rush the UK soon as they join the EU (it’s looking difficult for them to join at the moment) will be coming weather we are in or out of the European political union. The only way the UK can stop the free movement of EU citizens is to leave the European single market as well as the European Union. But why would the UK want to leave the single market, after all if you were a trader trading on eBay or amazon and prospering why would you then want to leave that to go trade on gum tree? Bit of a strange example to use, as you don't need to be in the single market to buy stuff from eBay or Amazon. USA are not in the EU or the single market, we don't even have any kind of trade deal with them, yet you can buy stuff from USA on ebay or Amazon, there are probably even ads on Gumtree from USA if you look hard enough. Point is the EU is outdated and past its sell by date, an analogue union in a now digital age. We live in a globalised world and people trade globally over the internet without the need for trade deals. The EU is a relic of the past. The single market is not a magic bullet for free trade anyway, we pay billions every year in EU membership fees to access the single market so that is a tariff of sorts. the UK signed a trade deal with china in 2014 cost the UK 29 million in aid to china and they slap up to 45% import tax on motor vehicles we send there not really free trade with any country ..because there is only free trade within the EU for EU members ... Thats false as we can't sign our own British trade deals while we are members of the EU. We only get EU trade deals negotiated by the EU as members of the EU. Its partly why EU trade deals take years and years and years to reach conclusion because you have to get agreement between 28 member countries. We could do them much quicker on a 1 to 1 country basis ouside of the EU, negotiated by British representatives instead of a faceless EU Eurocrat. Secondly despite the tariffs you say China slap on our motor cars, one of Jaguar/Land Rover biggest customers is the Chinese market, we export loads of Jaguar/Land Rover cars over there because they love our product and tariffs are no barrier to trade if someone wants a product they will pay the price for it. That is how business works between buyers and sellers. One of CAT/JCB biggest markets is also China, again they think our JCB diggers and earth movers are quality products so they pay the price including the tariff. Lastly we are not getting free trade with EU members because we pay an EU membership fee, so we are paying for access to the single market. There is an old saying "No such thing as a free lunch in this world". " start reading the truth we can do deals with other countries we did do a deal with china in June of 2014 the UK signed a trade with china worth 14 billion we gave china approx 24 million in aid to get it do your research and stop promoting ukip lies the UK can do trade deals with any country it wishes to .... | |||
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"Or a rush to invest in the UK i so love the nievity of that comment..... your comments always crack me up....
oh yeah.... like dan ask.... can we have detail on this please?
p.s "hope" isn't a strategy....."Hope? Sure. Possibility? Sure. For too many reasons to list here. Tell me, why would anyone invest in a country in Europe that is out of the Eurozone? | |||
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"Farridge is a narrow minded bigot who's been given life because of racism and economic woes driven by the global recession. In an otherwise calm climate he'd be seen as an egotistical prick, an opportunist, a nasty piece of work." He should join Fab forums then, he'd have plenty of company | |||
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