FabSwingers.com forum: Question about EU

By *illyjohny OP Couple
over a year ago

brighton

So this may seem a silly question but a genuine one .

Who gets to vote in the referendum ?meaning do people from other EU countries who live and work here that have a national insurance number but are not UK passport holder?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So this may seem a silly question but a genuine one .

Who gets to vote in the referendum ?meaning do people from other EU countries who live and work here that have a national insurance number but are not UK passport holder?"

no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if you are on the electoral roll in this country then you get a vote

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

It's like an election.

You must be:

be registered to vote

be 18 or over on the day of the referendum (‘polling day’)

be a British, Irish or Commonwealth citizen

be resident at an address in the UK or Gibraltar (or a British citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years)

not be legally excluded from voting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral rolland vote in the EU referendum as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar are also eligible to vote in the EU referendum

Citizens from other European countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU

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By *illyjohny OP Couple
over a year ago

brighton

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"It's like an election.

You must be:

be registered to vote

be 18 or over on the day of the referendum (‘polling day’)

be a British, Irish or Commonwealth citizen

be resident at an address in the UK or Gibraltar (or a British citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years)

not be legally excluded from voting"

clarify this a bit... its like a general election....

eu citizens are allowed to vote in the locals and the europeans.... but not in the general election or this....

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By *illyjohny OP Couple
over a year ago

brighton

"Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral rolland vote in the EU referendum as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar are also eligible to vote in the EU referendum

Citizens from other European countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU

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So how do you think these EU citizens living here will vote ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral rolland vote in the EU referendum as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar are also eligible to vote in the EU referendum

Citizens from other European countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU

So how do you think these EU citizens living here will vote ?"

Do you mean which way will they vote?

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By *illyjohny OP Couple
over a year ago

brighton

"Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral rolland vote in the EU referendum as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar are also eligible to vote in the EU referendum

Citizens from other European countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU

So how do you think these EU citizens living here will vote ?

Do you mean which way will they vote?"
Yes ?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"It's like an election.

You must be:

be registered to vote

be 18 or over on the day of the referendum (‘polling day’)

be a British, Irish or Commonwealth citizen

be resident at an address in the UK or Gibraltar (or a British citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years)

not be legally excluded from voting"

I thought ex pats couldn't vote. I mean, what happens if they vote out? Do they get escorted from Spain and booted on to a boat back to Blighty?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral rolland vote in the EU referendum as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar are also eligible to vote in the EU referendum

Citizens from other European countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU

So how do you think these EU citizens living here will vote ?

Do you mean which way will they vote?Yes ?"

I'd be camped in the betting shop if I knew that!

I'm guessing they would want us to remain.

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By *illyjohny OP Couple
over a year ago

brighton

"Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral rolland vote in the EU referendum as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar are also eligible to vote in the EU referendum

Citizens from other European countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU

So how do you think these EU citizens living here will vote ?

Do you mean which way will they vote?Yes ?

I'd be camped in the betting shop if I knew that!

I'm guessing they would want us to remain."
This is our opinion no UK passport = no vote

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

ex pats only get a vote if they have been abroad for less than 15 years

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral rolland vote in the EU referendum as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar are also eligible to vote in the EU referendum

Citizens from other European countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU

So how do you think these EU citizens living here will vote ?

Do you mean which way will they vote?Yes ?

I'd be camped in the betting shop if I knew that!

I'm guessing they would want us to remain.This is our opinion no UK passport = no vote "

daft idea .... it's like saying no driving licence = no vote

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I thought ex pats couldn't vote. I mean, what happens if they vote out? Do they get escorted from Spain and booted on to a boat back to Blighty?"

well if you are going to make people from spain have to have visa's to live or work here....why would they not return the favour, i am sure there would be backlashes from certain countries....

the other thing is that you would be replacing working aged people who would be paying taxes for older people who would be more of a strain on services like the nhs....

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By *illyjohny OP Couple
over a year ago

brighton

"Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral rolland vote in the EU referendum as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar are also eligible to vote in the EU referendum

Citizens from other European countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU

So how do you think these EU citizens living here will vote ?

Do you mean which way will they vote?Yes ?

I'd be camped in the betting shop if I knew that!

I'm guessing they would want us to remain.This is our opinion no UK passport = no vote

daft idea .... it's like saying no driving licence = no vote"
Why?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral rolland vote in the EU referendum as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar are also eligible to vote in the EU referendum

Citizens from other European countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU

So how do you think these EU citizens living here will vote ?

Do you mean which way will they vote?Yes ?

I'd be camped in the betting shop if I knew that!

I'm guessing they would want us to remain.This is our opinion no UK passport = no vote

daft idea .... it's like saying no driving licence = no voteWhy?"

because not every british citizen has needed to apply for a passport obviously

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral rolland vote in the EU referendum as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar are also eligible to vote in the EU referendum

Citizens from other European countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU

So how do you think these EU citizens living here will vote ?

Do you mean which way will they vote?Yes ?

I'd be camped in the betting shop if I knew that!

I'm guessing they would want us to remain.This is our opinion no UK passport = no vote "

Brilliant:

So as 17%of UK citizens don't have a passport; you think they should not vote?

Why do you need a passport to vote?

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By *illyjohny OP Couple
over a year ago

brighton

"Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral rolland vote in the EU referendum as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar are also eligible to vote in the EU referendum

Citizens from other European countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU

So how do you think these EU citizens living here will vote ?

Do you mean which way will they vote?Yes ?

I'd be camped in the betting shop if I knew that!

I'm guessing they would want us to remain.This is our opinion no UK passport = no vote

daft idea .... it's like saying no driving licence = no voteWhy?

because not every british citizen has needed to apply for a passport obviously "
True should have worded it differently . Not a British citizen = no vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's like an election.

You must be:

be registered to vote

be 18 or over on the day of the referendum (‘polling day’)

be a British, Irish or Commonwealth citizen

be resident at an address in the UK or Gibraltar (or a British citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years)

not be legally excluded from voting"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think its was meant as people who are entitled to a uk passport not just the ones actually in possession of one

Slaps hand in face muttering FFS

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By *illyjohny OP Couple
over a year ago

brighton

"Think its was meant as people who are entitled to a uk passport not just the ones actually in possession of one

Slaps hand in face muttering FFS"

That is what we meant

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"Think its was meant as people who are entitled to a uk passport not just the ones actually in possession of one

Slaps hand in face muttering FFS

That is what we meant

so what's the criteria for your revised idea?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"if you are on the electoral roll in this country then you get a vote"

That's not true, to the chagrin of my other half. He's on the electoral register and can vote in general elections but not the eu referendum because he's a Dutch national.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Think its was meant as people who are entitled to a uk passport not just the ones actually in possession of one

Slaps hand in face muttering FFS

That is what we meant

There are quite a lot of people in UK ( and outside ) the UK who are entitled to ( and hold) a UK passport, but who are not British citizens and are not entitled to vote.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

As Nigel Farage pointed out on tonights live debate on itv, we don't have British passports anymore as members of the EU. What we actually have is a European (EU) passport, get your passport now and have a look it. It says clearly on the front. Nigel Farage even got his own passport out and held it up to show the audience. Let's leave the EU and go back to having British passports again.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

Just checked, mine says "Her Britannic Majesty of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Even if we voteout we will not leave because both parties would stall on the negotitions,it is a con

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

"As Nigel Farage pointed out on tonights live debate on itv, we don't have British passports anymore as members of the EU. What we actually have is a European (EU) passport, get your passport now and have a look it. It says clearly on the front. Nigel Farage even got his own passport out and held it up to show the audience. Let's leave the EU and go back to having British ptassports again. "

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

what complete and utter jingoistic bollox!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Just checked, mine says "Her Britannic Majesty of Great Britain and Northern Ireland""

They do say 'European Union' in smaller caps above 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'. The text in the inside front asserts it is Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State and not the EU that requests the bearer is allowed to pass freely.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

No:

It's a British passport .

Issued by the British government. No one else can issue it.

Like a French passport is issued by the French government,

German by German etc.

It's just in a standardised EU format .

Same as driving licences are UK/ French/ German , but in a standard format;

As are car registration documents .

Just another Farage trick to make the Simple minded think that the EU " controls everything"

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

No:

It's a British passport .

Issued by the British government. No one else can issue it.

Like a French passport is issued by the French government,

German by German etc.

It's just in a standardised EU format .

Same as driving licences are UK/ French/ German , but in a standard format;

As are car registration documents .

Just another Farage trick to make the Simple minded think that the EU " controls everything""

Your posts make me

you.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

No:

It's a British passport .

Issued by the British government. No one else can issue it.

Like a French passport is issued by the French government,

German by German etc.

It's just in a standardised EU format .

Same as driving licences are UK/ French/ German , but in a standard format;

As are car registration documents .

Just another Farage trick to make the Simple minded think that the EU " controls everything""
He is right not trick at all

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

aside from the words "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" dominating the front it also has written on it "Shame Upon Him Who Thinks Evil Of It" .... i think that means the cockwomble farage and all the other bellends who he suckered with that dollop of weak nationalstic bullshit

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

No:

It's a British passport .

Issued by the British government. No one else can issue it.

Like a French passport is issued by the French government,

German by German etc.

It's just in a standardised EU format .

Same as driving licences are UK/ French/ German , but in a standard format;

As are car registration documents .

Just another Farage trick to make the Simple minded think that the EU " controls everything"He is right not trick at all"

So who issues the passport?

Is it an EU passport office ?

No; it is the UK government passport office;

It is a silly trick to fool the simple minded :

And he know that it will have impact; because it's the first rule of propaganda; it doesn't matter what lie you tell; people remember what you have said; and don't hear the correction afterwards.

And 90% of people hear a statement and don't question it.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Just checked, mine says "Her Britannic Majesty of Great Britain and Northern Ireland""

Funny mine clearly says "EUROPEAN UNION UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My new Tesco Clubcard is issues by the European Union.

For shame.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Just checked, mine says "Her Britannic Majesty of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

Funny mine clearly says "EUROPEAN UNION UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND""

Yes;

Do does mine

And my French one says

Union europeénne

République francais

Because that denotes that we are part of the EU;

But the British passport is granted solely by the British government; by no-one else;

So it is a British passport

Not an EU passport; just in a EU format.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Just checked, mine says "Her Britannic Majesty of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

Funny mine clearly says "EUROPEAN UNION UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND"

Yes;

Do does mine

And my French one says

Union europeénne

République francais

Because that denotes that we are part of the EU;

But the British passport is granted solely by the British government; by no-one else;

So it is a British passport

Not an EU passport; just in a EU format.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Just checked, mine says "Her Britannic Majesty of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

Funny mine clearly says "EUROPEAN UNION UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND"

Yes;

Do does mine

And my French one says

Union europeénne

République francais

Because that denotes that we are part of the EU;

But the British passport is granted solely by the British government; by no-one else;

So it is a British passport

Not an EU passport; just in a EU format.

I'd rather not have "EUROPEAN UNION" on the front of my passport. I dont want to be part of the EUROPEAN UNION. I'd rather we leave and have those 2 words removed thanks.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"I'd rather not have "EUROPEAN UNION" on the front of my passport. I dont want to be part of the EUROPEAN UNION. I'd rather we leave and have those 2 words removed thanks. "

it could say "the queen's a rancid shit-sack" in massive letters on it ..... so long as it lets me travel abroad who fucking cares anyway .... apart from faridges army of lobotomised baboons obviously

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just checked, mine says "Her Britannic Majesty of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

Funny mine clearly says "EUROPEAN UNION UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND"

Yes;

Do does mine

And my French one says

Union europeénne

République francais

Because that denotes that we are part of the EU;

But the British passport is granted solely by the British government; by no-one else;

So it is a British passport

Not an EU passport; just in a EU format.

I'd rather not have "EUROPEAN UNION" on the front of my passport. I dont want to be part of the EUROPEAN UNION. I'd rather we leave and have those 2 words removed thanks. "

I'd rather not have "Her Britannic Majesty" on mine, but I'm not gonna cry about it

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"if you are on the electoral roll in this country then you get a vote"

Incorrect. EU citizens, with the exception of citizens from Ireland, Malta & Cyprus, are not allowed to vote in national elections and this referendum is being run using the general election electoral role.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral rolland vote in the EU referendum as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar are also eligible to vote in the EU referendum

Citizens from other European countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU

So how do you think these EU citizens living here will vote ?"

They won't because they are not allowed to.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

In order to get as many remain votes as possible the EU Referendum allows UK Nationals who are living in the EU a vote.

Unlike the Scottish Referendum where the voters had to live in Scotland to get a vote.

Just another subtle way to rig the result

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"In order to get as many remain votes as possible the EU Referendum allows UK Nationals who are living in the EU a vote.

you mean those pesky ex-pats........

why let the coffin dodgers out in spain, portugal, greece, ect vote.....

p.s damn i am being facetious again.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In order to get as many remain votes as possible the EU Referendum allows UK Nationals who are living in the EU a vote.

Unlike the Scottish Referendum where the voters had to live in Scotland to get a vote.

Just another subtle way to rig the result"

True, they will vote stay, so they can continue to spend their revenue propping up EU countries, whist sticking their finger up at UK but still voting

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

"In order to get as many remain votes as possible the EU Referendum allows UK Nationals who are living in the EU a vote.

Unlike the Scottish Referendum where the voters had to live in Scotland to get a vote.

Just another subtle way to rig the result"

UK nationals living abroad can only vote in the referendum if they have been on the UK electoral register in the past fifteen years. Citizens from Malta, Cyprus and Ireland can also vote.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just checked, mine says "Her Britannic Majesty of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

Funny mine clearly says "EUROPEAN UNION UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND"

Yes;

Do does mine

And my French one says

Union europeénne

République francais

Because that denotes that we are part of the EU;

But the British passport is granted solely by the British government; by no-one else;

So it is a British passport

Not an EU passport; just in a EU format.

I'd rather not have "EUROPEAN UNION" on the front of my passport. I dont want to be part of the EUROPEAN UNION. I'd rather we leave and have those 2 words removed thanks. "

You really don't need it to holiday in Weymouth. Just pop the offending document in a shredder. Problem fixed.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"In order to get as many remain votes as possible the EU Referendum allows UK Nationals who are living in the EU a vote.

Unlike the Scottish Referendum where the voters had to live in Scotland to get a vote.

Just another subtle way to rig the result

True, they will vote stay, so they can continue to spend their revenue propping up EU countries, whist sticking their finger up at UK but still voting"

And also most/ many still have to pay tax in UK: "no taxation without representation".

Quite apart from those of us who generate income for the UK as well as our country of residence .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In order to get as many remain votes as possible the EU Referendum allows UK Nationals who are living in the EU a vote.

you mean those pesky ex-pats........

why let the coffin dodgers out in spain, portugal, greece, ect vote.....

p.s damn i am being facetious again....."

Did you see the Sean Lock sketch at the comedy gala about this. Was in jest but he had a point. No one over 60 to vote simply because it won't effect their 'futures' unlike the younger generation.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"In order to get as many remain votes as possible the EU Referendum allows UK Nationals who are living in the EU a vote.

you mean those pesky ex-pats........

why let the coffin dodgers out in spain, portugal, greece, ect vote.....

p.s damn i am being facetious again.....

Did you see the Sean Lock sketch at the comedy gala about this. Was in jest but he had a point. No one over 60 to vote simply because it won't effect their 'futures' unlike the younger generation. "

Some people actually believe that sort of thing is a good idea ;

- forgetting that

1. at 60 I have at least 30 years of "future"

2. That. 60 + year old still pays taxes ( again, "no taxation without representation")

3. That 60+ year olds have money to use and invest , which affects the economy,

4. That they are entitled to have a say in how the government does its business as it affects them ( and their families )

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once. "

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either."

How incredibly short sighted and ageist of you. Plenty also do know, at 16 I had a healthy interest in politics while working a full time job and studying. If I can do all that I can make a decision about MY future at that age too.

Let's also not forget plenty in their 40's, 50's and 60's don't either.

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over a year ago

To quote Muhammad Ali-

"A man who's views are the same at 50 as they were when he was 20, has wasted 30 years of his life".

Upper age should be no barrier

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

I've often wondered why we don't have touch screen computers in polling stations and voters must correctly answer five out of ten questions before it issues their ballot paper so they can proceed to vote.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Think its was meant as people who are entitled to a uk passport not just the ones actually in possession of one

Slaps hand in face muttering FFS

That is what we meant

There are quite a lot of people in UK ( and outside ) the UK who are entitled to ( and hold) a UK passport, but who are not British citizens and are not entitled to vote."

Huh? I don't understand, only British citizens can hold a British Passport. How can you have a UK passport and not be a British citizen?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Going to say something potentially controversial here: But am I the only one who thinks that if an EU citizen has been living here permanently for 5 years, and has the documents to show that they have been paid here, and have been paying all of their taxes here, then they should be allowed to vote?

I have a Dutch friend here who has been living in the UK for the past 6 years, who only ever leaves Britain to see family at Christmas and for family events, pays all of her tax here and in terms of being a 'drain on resources' she's never had benefits other than using the NHS.

She's miffed that she can't vote, and I'm miffed for her. I mean we have British citizens who dodge tax and exploit the welfare system who can vote, why can't a hard working person from a different nation?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Just checked, mine says "Her Britannic Majesty of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

Funny mine clearly says "EUROPEAN UNION UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND"

Yes;

Do does mine

And my French one says

Union europeénne

République francais

Because that denotes that we are part of the EU;

But the British passport is granted solely by the British government; by no-one else;

So it is a British passport

Not an EU passport; just in a EU format.

This is like people saying "we're going to have an EU army" well show me the EU Army recruiting office then, because Im pretty sure we are only going to have a British army, which is going to work alongside our allies from Europe and the rest of the world, like we have been doing for hundreds of years.

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over a year ago

"Going to say something potentially controversial here: But am I the only one who thinks that if an EU citizen has been living here permanently for 5 years, and has the documents to show that they have been paid here, and have been paying all of their taxes here, then they should be allowed to vote?

Not controversial at all. This type of person should get more say in this country than someone who was born here and never worked a day in their life. That is after all how this country was built, on hard working immigrants!

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over a year ago

"To quote Muhammad Ali-

"A man who's views are the same at 50 as they were when he was 20, has wasted 30 years of his life".

Upper age should be no barrier

Completely agree, however a person should be open to ensuring their views are well informed or allowing them to be challenged.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

No; why should they? Only citizens of a country can vote in national elections; if she wants to vote in UK national elections; then she can take British Nationality. She may already vote in Local and EU elections.

It's the same everywhere; as I live in France, I have taken French Nationality ( so I have dual nationality) and do that I can vote in Nationsl elections in France.

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over a year ago

It's the same everywhere; as I live in France, I have taken French Nationality ( so I have dual nationality) and do that I can vote in Nationsl elections in France."

Thank you for informing me of that. It actually never twigged to me that this was an option. Still though, I actually think that the system is too ridged in this case - life is pretty hectic and lets face it, you don't see leaflets been handed out advertising dual nationality.

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over a year ago

"Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral rolland vote in the EU referendum as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar are also eligible to vote in the EU referendum

Citizens from other European countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU

So how do you think these EU citizens living here will vote ?

Do you mean which way will they vote?Yes ?

I'd be camped in the betting shop if I knew that!

I'm guessing they would want us to remain.This is our opinion no UK passport = no vote "

Really?

I am Irish and have an Irish passport and I am eligible to vote.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Think its was meant as people who are entitled to a uk passport not just the ones actually in possession of one

Slaps hand in face muttering FFS

That is what we meant

There are quite a lot of people in UK ( and outside ) the UK who are entitled to ( and hold) a UK passport, but who are not British citizens and are not entitled to vote.

Huh? I don't understand, only British citizens can hold a British Passport. How can you have a UK passport and not be a British citizen? "

You can be:

British Citizen

British Overseas Territiries Citizen

British Overseas Citizen

British Subject

British National

British Protected Person

All of which are different; but all can hold a British passport. Not all can vote in UK.

Not all passport holders have permanent right of abode in UK either , but all can enter and leave at will with no visa.

And some Citizens are denied vote if they have lived outside UK for over 15 years.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Think its was meant as people who are entitled to a uk passport not just the ones actually in possession of one

Slaps hand in face muttering FFS

That is what we meant

There are quite a lot of people in UK ( and outside ) the UK who are entitled to ( and hold) a UK passport, but who are not British citizens and are not entitled to vote.

Huh? I don't understand, only British citizens can hold a British Passport. How can you have a UK passport and not be a British citizen? "

You can have a British Overseas Territories passport.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I personally think she should be allowed to vote. I think it would have been better if the local council electoral role had been used, which would have allowed EU citizens habitually resident here to vote also. However I don't feel so strongly about it that I'm willing to make an issue of it.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral rolland vote in the EU referendum as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar are also eligible to vote in the EU referendum

Citizens from other European countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU

So how do you think these EU citizens living here will vote ?

Do you mean which way will they vote?Yes ?

I'd be camped in the betting shop if I knew that!

I'm guessing they would want us to remain.This is our opinion no UK passport = no vote

Really?

I am Irish and have an Irish passport and I am eligible to vote."

Irish, Maltese and Cypriot citizens can vote in all UK elections if they are habitually resident in the UK. This is due to historical legislation related to the fact that they are all former British territories.

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By *mokes n MirrorsCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth and Newcastle (sometimes)

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either."

What absolute bollocks!!!! Our 10 year old saw a bit on the news and asked me what it was about as they mentioned a war. I explained in my best 'Devils Advocate' manner the pros and cons (in a slightly simplified way) as I see it. He thought for a minute and then said he'd vote 'remain' while I'm undecided but leaning towards leave. They might be children in your eyes but a lot of them are far from stupid and this vote will effect them a lot more and for a lot longer than most of us forumites.

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over a year ago

"Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral rolland vote in the EU referendum as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar are also eligible to vote in the EU referendum

Citizens from other European countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU

So how do you think these EU citizens living here will vote ?

Do you mean which way will they vote?Yes ?

I'd be camped in the betting shop if I knew that!

I'm guessing they would want us to remain.This is our opinion no UK passport = no vote

Really?

I am Irish and have an Irish passport and I am eligible to vote.

Yes, I know.

Thank you for explaining though.

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

Absolutely not. This is a British issue and only British people should decide on whether the UK remains in the EU or not.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either.

I agree, a lot of younger people seem to know a lot about this subject. However I don't think it would have been right to lower the age limit for this referendum. Even with no charges to the rules many are claiming that the government is trying to gerrymander the role to get the result it wants, especially those from BREXIT. I think it's probably best to stick with the rules we normally use.

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over a year ago

Absolutely not. This is a British issue and only British people should decide on whether the UK remains in the EU or not."

Local shop for local people!

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over a year ago

Absolutely not. This is a British issue and only British people should decide on whether the UK remains in the EU or not."

Are saying people born here, or ancestrally 'British', and excluding EU citizens who take up British citizenship. Because I'm only British due to being born here - ancestrally I'm a mixed European.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Absolutely not. This is a British issue and only British people should decide on whether the UK remains in the EU or not."

Well it doesn't really matter because the decision has been made to use the General Election role and rules, which means they can't vote, so save your angst for something that actually matters.

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

British in the broad application of the word. Born or naturalised, if you're British you should be able to vote. Foreigners can go home the day after the referendum if they so wish and on that basis they should not be allowed to vote on such an important issue.

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over a year ago

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either.

My younger cousin is 17, she studies politics and sciences and is currently looking at uni choices. She is angry at not being able to vote as she feels well informed and also because she was looking at using the EU as a way to access cheaper uni education in Denmark, Germany, Sweden ect.

What I am trying to say is by narrowing it to 18 not 16, a lot of young people, especially those looking at university feel as though their future is being narrowed.

She admits that cheaper uni fees would not be enough to persuade her to vote remain, but as a direct impact on her future, it would be a factor.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"British in the broad application of the word. Born or naturalised, if you're British you should be able to vote. Foreigners can go home the day after the referendum if they so wish and on that basis they should not be allowed to vote on such an important issue."

On that basis British people would not be allowed to vote either because, the day after the referendum, we will still be in the EU, and will remain in the EU for at least two years whatever way the vote goes, so British people could also leave to go and live in the EU.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either.

What I am trying to say is by narrowing it to 18 not 16, a lot of young people, especially those looking at university feel as though their future is being narrowed.

She admits that cheaper uni fees would not be enough to persuade her to vote remain, but as a direct impact on her future, it would be a factor."

Well no one is actually narrowing it. They're just not widening it either. But I know how she feels, I was 16 at the last EEC referendum and felt pretty much the same as she.

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over a year ago

Yes let's send them all home and lose nearly 15% of the NHS staff while we do and watch it collapse as the already incredibly understaffed service breaks down even more. Genius.

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over a year ago

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either.

What I am trying to say is by narrowing it to 18 not 16, a lot of young people, especially those looking at university feel as though their future is being narrowed.

She admits that cheaper uni fees would not be enough to persuade her to vote remain, but as a direct impact on her future, it would be a factor.

Well no one is actually narrowing it. They're just not widening it either. But I know how she feels, I was 16 at the last EEC referendum and felt pretty much the same as she."

In regards to her future in education it is being narrowed. It is far easier to apply to study in another EU country as a EU citizen - plus, fee prices would have to be negotiated outside the EU. I don't know if they would go up - however it shouldn't be ruled out, then there is the matter of health and insurance.

Lets put it this way, I sat down with her to do the maths and it works out cheaper in the long run, and possibly over the course of her studies to study, say in the Netherlands or Germany.

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over a year ago

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either.

What I am trying to say is by narrowing it to 18 not 16, a lot of young people, especially those looking at university feel as though their future is being narrowed.

She admits that cheaper uni fees would not be enough to persuade her to vote remain, but as a direct impact on her future, it would be a factor."

Maybe if we were out of the EU university fees would be cheaper when you consider that over the last 5 years EU graduates have left owing over £50 million in unpaid fees and it rises every year and apparently the authorities are unable to track them down. What did she think of that?

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over a year ago

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either.

What I am trying to say is by narrowing it to 18 not 16, a lot of young people, especially those looking at university feel as though their future is being narrowed.

She admits that cheaper uni fees would not be enough to persuade her to vote remain, but as a direct impact on her future, it would be a factor.

They wouldn't no. Since it was the British government who gave the British unis free reign to set what they want. Has nothing to do with unpaid fees or the EU and all to do with tories money grabbing.

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

I think you'll find it was a Labour government who introduced uni fees in 1998.

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over a year ago

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either.

What I am trying to say is by narrowing it to 18 not 16, a lot of young people, especially those looking at university feel as though their future is being narrowed.

She admits that cheaper uni fees would not be enough to persuade her to vote remain, but as a direct impact on her future, it would be a factor.

I'd like to know where the information on EU graduates not paying their fees back came from - most of the EU students I know pay their fees back, or had their study covered by their country or employer.

Also no, the fees wouldn't go down, not unless you got someone who sincerely believes in education being free or easily accessible. As the last few years have shown, our university system has just become a way of signing young people up to large amounts of debt. The doctor I work under basically feels as though universities and students are being milked for cash by Westminster and are not truly valued.

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over a year ago

"I think you'll find it was a Labour government who introduced uni fees in 1998."

Yes we know, the Tories hammer on about it whenever the issue comes up. However, that amount of money set then was reasonable, student maintenance loans and bursaries were at a all time high.

The Tories have basically allowed university bureaucracy and investors to self regulate tuition prices - lets face it, that will not work out well for ordinary people.

Then lets not forget that under the Tories the reasonable tuition fee price nearly trebled, maintenance loans and bursaries were cut drastically - and Cameron went back on his promise that the price at which fees will be required to be paid back would not go below £21,000 I believe, at least he was toying with that idea.

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

I visited Durham last year with my daughter when she was considering which uni to apply to. There was a lecture by the finance dept and the guy told us that students only start repaying their loans once their salaries pass £21k and then it is 9% after tax and NI. it works out to about £30/month if you remain on £21k and after 30 years it is wiped outif it hasn't been repaid in full.

The more you earn the more you pay but you pay it off quicker.

I think it is correct that students invest in themselves and if you look at Scotland where there aren't any uni fees the drop out rate is much higher at c.25%

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over a year ago

"I think you'll find it was a Labour government who introduced uni fees in 1998."

And I think you will find they capped them so the average person could afford them. Who removed the low cap to make them less accessible to the lower income family??

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

A 4-year degree course costs a lot more than £1k to run and there's nothing to stop a post degree grad leaving the UK once we've paid for his or her course. Even now they cash still leave the UK and not repay their loans but for those who stay it is right to expect them to pay for their advanced education.

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over a year ago

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either.

What I am trying to say is by narrowing it to 18 not 16, a lot of young people, especially those looking at university feel as though their future is being narrowed.

She admits that cheaper uni fees would not be enough to persuade her to vote remain, but as a direct impact on her future, it would be a factor.

from the Students Loan Company and has been reported in several papers left and right and on the BBC. My figures might have been wrong though, think its more like £98 million now

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over a year ago

"A 4-year degree course costs a lot more than £1k to run and there's nothing to stop a post degree grad leaving the UK once we've paid for his or her course. Even now they cash still leave the UK and not repay their loans but for those who stay it is right to expect them to pay for their advanced education."

No there isn't, but a quick but of research shows most stay on in the UK thus contributing to our economy, this includes international students (otherwise known as immigrants) who make up for our short fall in doctors, engineers and scientists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either.

What I am trying to say is by narrowing it to 18 not 16, a lot of young people, especially those looking at university feel as though their future is being narrowed.

She admits that cheaper uni fees would not be enough to persuade her to vote remain, but as a direct impact on her future, it would be a factor.

from the Students Loan Company and has been reported in several papers left and right and on the BBC. My figures might have been wrong though, think its more like £98 million now"

So that's about half a million per University in the UK which in the grand scheme of things is a drop in the ocean to most major universities. We deal with one very large University who have to forcefully spend around £2 million on estates just to make sure they don't lose the funding, this is usually vanity projects and can be done without.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either.

What I am trying to say is by narrowing it to 18 not 16, a lot of young people, especially those looking at university feel as though their future is being narrowed.

She admits that cheaper uni fees would not be enough to persuade her to vote remain, but as a direct impact on her future, it would be a factor.

from the Students Loan Company and has been reported in several papers left and right and on the BBC. My figures might have been wrong though, think its more like £98 million now"

Well I would love it if you could find that student loans company report for me as I am not having much luck. You know, the actual report not a media outlet reporting on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either.

What I am trying to say is by narrowing it to 18 not 16, a lot of young people, especially those looking at university feel as though their future is being narrowed.

She admits that cheaper uni fees would not be enough to persuade her to vote remain, but as a direct impact on her future, it would be a factor.

from the Students Loan Company and has been reported in several papers left and right and on the BBC. My figures might have been wrong though, think its more like £98 million now

This ^

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over a year ago

There are actually a lot of mechanisms that allow the loans companies to bill a person for their fees overseas and in Europe.

I've just been asking a few friends and they haven't started paying their fees back as their not earning enough.

Effectively it's the same reason why student loans might not get paid back fully here, because young people are stuck in a wage freeze and not earning enough to meet the pay back requirements by the contract.

If I were one day to move to Germany and get a poorly paid job there, the loans company can still track me down if they really want to. Same if I were to go to Australia. It's never hard to go off the radar.

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

Making the case that they should get a free uni education because they'll be an asset to the uk is thin because they'll also earn a lot of money and pay tax accordingly.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either.

What I am trying to say is by narrowing it to 18 not 16, a lot of young people, especially those looking at university feel as though their future is being narrowed.

She admits that cheaper uni fees would not be enough to persuade her to vote remain, but as a direct impact on her future, it would be a factor.

Well no one is actually narrowing it. They're just not widening it either. But I know how she feels, I was 16 at the last EEC referendum and felt pretty much the same as she.

Lets put it this way, I sat down with her to do the maths and it works out cheaper in the long run, and possibly over the course of her studies to study, say in the Netherlands or Germany."

I was only talking about not narrowing or widening the criteria for being on the electoral role. I completely agree with you that leaving the EU would not only narrow her future in education but hers and everyone else's future opportunities in many ways. I'll be voting to stay in the EU.

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over a year ago

"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either.

What I am trying to say is by narrowing it to 18 not 16, a lot of young people, especially those looking at university feel as though their future is being narrowed.

She admits that cheaper uni fees would not be enough to persuade her to vote remain, but as a direct impact on her future, it would be a factor.

from the Students Loan Company and has been reported in several papers left and right and on the BBC. My figures might have been wrong though, think its more like £98 million now

you are missing the point. It is my tax. Where do you think the money comes from?

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"On that basis the very young have the longest future and should also be entitled to vote.

I do think 16 years should be able too, they did in Scotland. It is more their future than those who have already messed it all up once.

16 is far too young; they have absolutely no understanding of the big picture; and little sense of responsibility.

Mind you, a high proportion of 30 year olds don't have the faintest idea of what goes on in the world around them either.

What I am trying to say is by narrowing it to 18 not 16, a lot of young people, especially those looking at university feel as though their future is being narrowed.

She admits that cheaper uni fees would not be enough to persuade her to vote remain, but as a direct impact on her future, it would be a factor.

from the Students Loan Company and has been reported in several papers left and right and on the BBC. My figures might have been wrong though, think its more like £98 million now

Well I would love it if you could find that student loans company report for me as I am not having much luck. You know, the actual report not a media outlet reporting on it."

you won't. Why would they advertise the fact that they can't do their job properly. It was obtained by the media under the freedom of information act

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from the Students Loan Company and has been reported in several papers left and right and on the BBC. My figures might have been wrong though, think its more like £98 million now

Well I would love it if you could find that student loans company report for me as I am not having much luck. You know, the actual report not a media outlet reporting on it.

you won't. Why would they advertise the fact that they can't do their job properly. It was obtained by the media under the freedom of information act"

What a load of twaddle. The underlying figures you quote were debunked in 2012. You can check that on full facts (search for fullfact.org and are-half-eu-students-failing-repay-their-loans). You don't need a freedom of information request to go to the student loans company web site and look up the official statistics page which fully supports what the full facts site says.

You can also read the section on repayment by non UK EU national students that tells you they tend to repay student loans at a faster rate than UK nationals and repay earlier.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

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Those wanting a different type of passport must of course pay for all of the changes worldwide that will be needed to make it happen. The likely UK costs alone will run to $millions. biometrics are now expected worldwide, so those old paper and card ones won't do.

Then there's the cost of changing driving licenses. Pay that too.

Our material lives are not affected by these ephemera. Farridge is just a weasel one trick pony using propaganda techniques from the likes of Goebbels.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

from the Students Loan Company and has been reported in several papers left and right and on the BBC. My figures might have been wrong though, think its more like £98 million now

Well I would love it if you could find that student loans company report for me as I am not having much luck. You know, the actual report not a media outlet reporting on it.

you won't. Why would they advertise the fact that they can't do their job properly. It was obtained by the media under the freedom of information act

You can also read the section on repayment by non UK EU national students that tells you they tend to repay student loans at a faster rate than UK nationals and repay earlier."

I don't believe it. Surely not false and untrue information from a BREXIT supporter. I'm shocked

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Those wanting a different type of passport must of course pay for all of the changes worldwide that will be needed to make it happen. The likely UK costs alone will run to $millions. biometrics are now expected worldwide, so those old paper and card ones won't do.

Then there's the cost of changing driving licenses. Pay that too.

Our material lives are not affected by these ephemera. Farridge is just a weasel one trick pony using propaganda techniques from the likes of Goebbels."

Why not change them to new British ones when the current ones expire if we leave the EU. This could easily be done as a gradual phasing out of the old EU passport and driving licence to the new British ones over a period of time when old passports and driving licences expire and are due for renewal you get the new version. Very simple and surely not beyond the capability of Man, lol.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

from the Students Loan Company and has been reported in several papers left and right and on the BBC. My figures might have been wrong though, think its more like £98 million now

Well I would love it if you could find that student loans company report for me as I am not having much luck. You know, the actual report not a media outlet reporting on it.

you won't. Why would they advertise the fact that they can't do their job properly. It was obtained by the media under the freedom of information act

You can also read the section on repayment by non UK EU national students that tells you they tend to repay student loans at a faster rate than UK nationals and repay earlier.

I don't believe it. Surely not false and untrue information from a BREXIT supporter. I'm shocked

While we are debunking claims made by people I think it's worth mentioning that itv news at 10 last night debunked the remain campaign claim that 9 out of 10 economists support Remain. 4000 economists were asked and only 600 replied so it's only 9 out of 10 from 600 economists and not the 4000 economists Remain would like us all to think it means. Far be it from the Remain campaign to try to mislead or pull the wool over anyone's eyes though, eh.

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from the Students Loan Company and has been reported in several papers left and right and on the BBC. My figures might have been wrong though, think its more like £98 million now

Well I would love it if you could find that student loans company report for me as I am not having much luck. You know, the actual report not a media outlet reporting on it.

you won't. Why would they advertise the fact that they can't do their job properly. It was obtained by the media under the freedom of information act

You can also read the section on repayment by non UK EU national students that tells you they tend to repay student loans at a faster rate than UK nationals and repay earlier.

I don't believe it. Surely not false and untrue information from a BREXIT supporter. I'm shocked

It would be interesting to know the thoughts of the other 3400.