FabSwingers.com forum: EU is Flooding

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

the floods has now risen in southern Germany, France, Romania and Belgium.

More downpours are forecast for the weekend across a band of central Europe from France to Ukraine.

Several towns in southern Germany have been devastated. Belgium, Austria, the Netherlands and Poland have also been affected.

Thousands of people have been forced from their homes

French President Francois Hollande said the weather was a serious climate phenomenon and a global challenge.

He is to declare a state of natural disaster in the worst-hit areas, which will free up emergency funds

Wonder how much cash they will reap from the EU, remember our floods in UK, we got zero thanks to our governments

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Is this a combined anti EU / anti flooding thread?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It never rains but it pours..

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Is this a combined anti EU / anti flooding thread?"

Better vote out Steve or we will have to accept some of their flooding

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

its more anti Westminster as they could have received a lot of help & assistance from the EU to build and strengthen flood walls both in England and Scotland but they sat back and done nothing

There are a lot of pissed off flood effected people because of this who cannot get home insurance and watch there homes flood year after year

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the great contradictions of life!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the floods has now risen in southern Germany, France, Romania and Belgium.

More downpours are forecast for the weekend across a band of central Europe from France to Ukraine.

Several towns in southern Germany have been devastated. Belgium, Austria, the Netherlands and Poland have also been affected.

Thousands of people have been forced from their homes

French President Francois Hollande said the weather was a serious climate phenomenon and a global challenge.

He is to declare a state of natural disaster in the worst-hit areas, which will free up emergency funds

Wonder how much cash they will reap from the EU, remember our floods in UK, we got zero thanks to our governments

You mean to say there is wide spread flooding across Europe. Don't try to use the EU as a buzzword when it's better to say Europe in this case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is this a combined anti EU / anti flooding thread?

Better vote out Steve or we will have to accept some of their flooding

I'll welcome it, my allotment plot needs it's water tanks filling up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The weather was much better before we joined the EU funny how we have had sunshine since we have threatened to leave.

It's a fucking conspiracy I tell you, a fucking conspiracy

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

how to turn anything into an anti-eu rant....

wow!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The weather was much better before we joined the EU funny how we have had sunshine since we have threatened to leave.

It's a fucking conspiracy I tell you, a fucking conspiracy

Now that you mention it, yep must be so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The weather was much better before we joined the EU funny how we have had sunshine since we have threatened to leave.

It's a fucking conspiracy I tell you, a fucking conspiracy

Now that you mention it, yep must be so"

And don't get me started on chalky white dog shit, porn mags in bushes, and dandelion and burdock that made you shudder, bloody Brussels grrrr

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Comin' over 'ere, raining on our British soil.

Bastards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is the trouble it causes when you allow unelected committees to decide the weather ,,,,,

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"The weather was much better before we joined the EU funny how we have had sunshine since we have threatened to leave.

It's a fucking conspiracy I tell you, a fucking conspiracy

Now that you mention it, yep must be so

And don't get me started on chalky white dog shit, porn mags in bushes, and dandelion and burdock that made you shudder, bloody Brussels grrrr

Don't forget the sprouts. It's not just at Christmas now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Comin' over 'ere, raining on our British soil.

Bastards. "

...stealing our sunshine all year round, sending all those clouds over so it's hard to get vitamin D...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The weather was much better before we joined the EU funny how we have had sunshine since we have threatened to leave.

It's a fucking conspiracy I tell you, a fucking conspiracy

Now that you mention it, yep must be so

And don't get me started on chalky white dog shit, porn mags in bushes, and dandelion and burdock that made you shudder, bloody Brussels grrrr

Don't forget the sprouts. It's not just at Christmas now.

Fried in butter with a little garlic and bacon, even kids will eat them like that.

Your welcome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hope they all drown

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hope they all drown "

Ooh harsh

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Will it affect the football? Will the football score affect the vote?

Seriously, I hope that the rain stops for a while and lets the earth absorb the water. Flooding is horrible, whoever it happens to.

I didn't understand why our government didn't apply for the EU funds available. The local and UK charitable appeals raised over £14m but that is but a drop in the midst of the flood damage.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"This is the trouble it causes when you allow unelected committees to decide the weather ,,,,,

i though "god" was a committee of one....

although i hear BOJO is promising a huge unmbrella to cover britain if they vote to leave....

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Will it affect the football? Will the football score affect the vote?

funny you say this... any potential england quarter final would actually be the day after the Referendum (guess which nerd went and checked....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hope they all drown "

Who? The kids eating sprouts? Harsh lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will it affect the football? Will the football score affect the vote?

Seriously, I hope that the rain stops for a while and lets the earth absorb the water. Flooding is horrible, whoever it happens to.

I didn't understand why our government didn't apply for the EU funds available. The local and UK charitable appeals raised over £14m but that is but a drop in the midst of the flood damage.

It is posible that football results can actually affect voting, there has been links to rising right wing nationalism and World Cup winning teams, England had the rise of the national front in the early 70s following the 1966 victory over Germany, and the same thing happened in France after their World Cup win, I can't remember who did the study, and I don't have a link to hand, but it should be on goooooggggllllleeee if you are so inclined to search for it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is the trouble it causes when you allow unelected committees to decide the weather ,,,,,

i though "god" was a committee of one....

although i hear BOJO is promising a huge unmbrella to cover britain if they vote to leave...."

Yeah but dodgy Dave has said he's going to put up huge fans to blow rain clouds away if we remain,

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Will it affect the football? Will the football score affect the vote?

funny you say this... any potential england quarter final would actually be the day after the Referendum (guess which nerd went and checked....

I knew you would know.

Does this mean that England might be out before the vote? That will affect things.

Didn't anyone tell Cameron this before he set the date? It's another piece of information to support my theory that Cameron is a true blue exiter and wants an out vote.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Will it affect the football? Will the football score affect the vote?

Seriously, I hope that the rain stops for a while and lets the earth absorb the water. Flooding is horrible, whoever it happens to.

I didn't understand why our government didn't apply for the EU funds available. The local and UK charitable appeals raised over £14m but that is but a drop in the midst of the flood damage.

I'm sort of aware of it being a trend. Fab is my Google.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is the trouble it causes when you allow unelected committees to decide the weather ,,,,,

i though "god" was a committee of one....

although i hear BOJO is promising a huge unmbrella to cover britain if they vote to leave...."

Yes apparently its to be funded using the 350 million a week we will save post Brexit,,,,,,

I mean it's not like they've planned to allocate that money on other things ....

Hmmm well not many thing,, .... just 34 other things so far ....

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By *omeotherguyMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"This is the trouble it causes when you allow unelected committees to decide the weather ,,,,,

i though "god" was a committee of one....

although i hear BOJO is promising a huge unmbrella to cover britain if they vote to leave....

Yes apparently its to be funded using the 350 million a week we will save post Brexit,,,,,,

I mean it's not like they've planned to allocate that money on other things ....

Hmmm well not many thing,, .... just 34 other things so far ....

Especially since of the £350 mil we give to the EU a week, we get back half in rebate and farm subsidies too. £8.5 bil of the £17.5 bil we pay.

But hey, why use facts!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"its more anti Westminster as they could have received a lot of help & assistance from the EU to build and strengthen flood walls both in England and Scotland but they sat back and done nothing

There are a lot of pissed off flood effected people because of this who cannot get home insurance and watch there homes flood year after year"

Which EU money is this then....? Exactly what fund does it come from??

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By *omeotherguyMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"This is the trouble it causes when you allow unelected committees to decide the weather ,,,,,

i though "god" was a committee of one....

although i hear BOJO is promising a huge unmbrella to cover britain if they vote to leave....

Yes apparently its to be funded using the 350 million a week we will save post Brexit,,,,,,

I mean it's not like they've planned to allocate that money on other things ....

Hmmm well not many thing,, .... just 34 other things so far ....

Especially since of the £350 mil we give to the EU a week, we get back half in rebate and farm subsidies too. £8.5 bil of the £17.5 bil we pay.

But hey, why use facts! "

Referring to Brexit, not your good self

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"This is the trouble it causes when you allow unelected committees to decide the weather ,,,,,

i though "god" was a committee of one....

although i hear BOJO is promising a huge unmbrella to cover britain if they vote to leave....

Yes apparently its to be funded using the 350 million a week we will save post Brexit,,,,,,

I mean it's not like they've planned to allocate that money on other things ....

Hmmm well not many thing,, .... just 34 other things so far ....

i know... its like they are magicians... they have managed to stretch 13bn into 113bn of spending pledges so far......

could have been worse... the 13 bn could have gone on red rums son in the 4.20 at cheltenham..... shit... i have found the one pledge they haven't made....

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"This is the trouble it causes when you allow unelected committees to decide the weather ,,,,,

i though "god" was a committee of one....

although i hear BOJO is promising a huge unmbrella to cover britain if they vote to leave....

Yes apparently its to be funded using the 350 million a week we will save post Brexit,,,,,,

I mean it's not like they've planned to allocate that money on other things ....

Hmmm well not many thing,, .... just 34 other things so far ....

i know... its like they are magicians... they have managed to stretch 13bn into 113bn of spending pledges so far......

could have been worse... the 13 bn could have gone on red rums son in the 4.20 at cheltenham..... shit... i have found the one pledge they haven't made....

It doesn't matter what pledges anyone makes unless they are going to reform their parties completely and form a government.

I never thought I'd agree with John Major but his comments on BoJo, IDS, Gove and their views on the NHS were spot on.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"its more anti Westminster as they could have received a lot of help & assistance from the EU to build and strengthen flood walls both in England and Scotland but they sat back and done nothing

There are a lot of pissed off flood effected people because of this who cannot get home insurance and watch there homes flood year after year

Which EU money is this then....? Exactly what fund does it come from??"

its actually called the EU solidarity fund.... and it can be used in natural diasters...

for example romania, bulgaria and italy used that money when they had major flooding last year...

hear to help.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

flooded homes have more to do with buying a house on a flood plain its not rocket science. Being a rural type I can tell you that flood defenses were neglected due to eu legislation on wildlife issues.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"flooded homes have more to do with buying a house on a flood plain its not rocket science. Being a rural type I can tell you that flood defenses were neglected due to eu legislation on wildlife issues."

Also being a rural type, I can tell you that the government used the excuse that it was "EU legislation on wildlife issues" when they could have actually done all the flood defences and still not "had a problem with wildlife issues " and even confirmed to the " EU legislation" and if they wanted to, could have got EU money to help on the flood defences.

Wonder why they didn't? Because they didn't want to actually find the money? Or actually bother to do the work?

And it was convenient to be able to blame the EU for it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my area we've actually had a lot of wildlife friendly and encouraging flood defences funded by the EU.

But whatever, believe your narrative.

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By *ildt123Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield

"Will it affect the football? Will the football score affect the vote?

Seriously, I hope that the rain stops for a while and lets the earth absorb the water. Flooding is horrible, whoever it happens to.

I didn't understand why our government didn't apply for the EU funds available. The local and UK charitable appeals raised over £14m but that is but a drop in the midst of the flood damage.

As I understand it they did, it took them 11 and a half weeks and the deadline was 12 but they eventually applied. They also misjudged the figures massively but they are expecting close to 200 million euro I believe. It's taken longer because our govt argued over who should apply and how much they nearly missed it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Swings and roundabouts it's always pissing and flooding in my part of Europe!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Somerset levels were never supposed to be built on. They were bound to flood at some stage.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

In my area we've actually had a lot of wildlife friendly and encouraging flood defences funded by the EU.

But whatever, believe your narrative. "

Tell me? does the EU allow dredging of rivers

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

In my area we've actually had a lot of wildlife friendly and encouraging flood defences funded by the EU.

But whatever, believe your narrative.

Tell me? does the EU allow dredging of rivers"

'Dredging' *smirk*

The EU paid for a huge amount of a wildlife/flood defense area in Newhaven. Now a new haven for wildlife and cyclists.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Will it affect the football? Will the football score affect the vote?

Seriously, I hope that the rain stops for a while and lets the earth absorb the water. Flooding is horrible, whoever it happens to.

I didn't understand why our government didn't apply for the EU funds available. The local and UK charitable appeals raised over £14m but that is but a drop in the midst of the flood damage.

Thanks for that update. I haven't kept up with it all.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

Flooding is sad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We DID apply for the solidarity fund from the EU for flooding, albeit in the days before the deadline.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

The government environment minister George Eustice was on the Daily politics programme today. He is campaigning for Brexit and want Britain to leave the EU. He said on the programme that EU farming subsidies rules and regulations are bad for the environment. EU farming subsidies rules mean rich land owners and farmes get £ millions in cash payments and the richer you are and the more land you own the higher the payment you receive. Also EU rules and conditions of payment for farming subsidies say farmers and land owners must cut down trees, destroy habitat and wildlife if the EU says so, to create more land for farming. This could also lead to flooding of land in some cases where the natural habitat has been destroyed and cleared away to make more room for farming. It's bad for the environment, bad for natural habitat and wildlife and bad for conservation. George Eustice said he has been trying to get much needed reform from the EU in these areas on farming subsides rules and regulation for years without any success, the EU is not budging and is opposed to any kind of reform.

You can see the Daily politics repeated at midnight on the Parliament television channel on free view.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

You can see the Daily politics repeated at midnight on the Parliament television channel on free view. "

And yet Caroline Lucas of the GREEN Party thinks we should remain to help protect the environment.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

You can see the Daily politics repeated at midnight on the Parliament television channel on free view. "

Dear god; they let someone like that be " environment minister?"

The Farming subsidies actually do just about the exact opposite of what he is claiming.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

The UK got £136 million from the EU for flooding in 2008. Sorry OP

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The UK got £136 million from the EU for flooding in 2008. Sorry OP

Oh, and £127 million from the same fund in 2007.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can see the Daily politics repeated at midnight on the Parliament television channel on free view. "

Again, we must have been watching different programmes. What I saw was an incredulous George Monbiot listening open mouthed to a minister who he said has gone out of his way to deregulate farming in a way which has negatively impacted on environmental protectionism. Monbiot was rightly criticising the CAP but couldn't quite believe the rubbish coming from the Minister's mouth.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

You can see the Daily politics repeated at midnight on the Parliament television channel on free view.

And yet Caroline Lucas of the GREEN Party thinks we should remain to help protect the environment.

And yet Baroness Jones of the Green party thinks we should leave the EU and was on Question Time A few weeks ago campaigning for Brexit.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

You can see the Daily politics repeated at midnight on the Parliament television channel on free view.

No same programme. As I said it's on at midnight on parliament TV If people want to watch it to make their own judgement on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can see the Daily politics repeated at midnight on the Parliament television channel on free view.

Dear god; they let someone like that be " environment minister?"

The Farming subsidies actually do just about the exact opposite of what he is claiming."

He was the Farming Minister. Of course, he also claimed a huge slice of the fictitious £350m. Every Government department is in for such a windfall after Brexit, it's really quite incredible.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"The UK got £136 million from the EU for flooding in 2008. Sorry OP

Oh, and £127 million from the same fund in 2007.

I thought this was about the most recent floods. Both those applications were under the last Labour government.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The UK got £136 million from the EU for flooding in 2008. Sorry OP

Oh, and £127 million from the same fund in 2007.

I thought this was about the most recent floods. Both those applications were under the last Labour government.

Well the OP said "remember our floods in UK, we got zero thanks to our governments” which is untrue. We also applied earlier this year for the floods at the end of last year.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"The UK got £136 million from the EU for flooding in 2008. Sorry OP

Oh, and £127 million from the same fund in 2007.

I thought this was about the most recent floods. Both those applications were under the last Labour government.

Well the OP said "remember our floods in UK, we got zero thanks to our governments” which is untrue. We also applied earlier this year for the floods at the end of last year. "

A couple of people have clarified that we squeaked in before the deadline.

It's ok though, because if we leave the EU any permutation of 3, 5, 0, £, millions or billions will be spent on flood defences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"its more anti Westminster as they could have received a lot of help & assistance from the EU to build and strengthen flood walls both in England and Scotland but they sat back and done nothing

There are a lot of pissed off flood effected people because of this who cannot get home insurance and watch there homes flood year after year

Which EU money is this then....? Exactly what fund does it come from??

its actually called the EU solidarity fund.... and it can be used in natural diasters...

for example romania, bulgaria and italy used that money when they had major flooding last year...

hear to help....."

I know that one Fabio. And as usual you are correct on your facts. But that is for clear up for after a disaster. And it was accessed as far as I know. The point I was referring to was made that there was a fund for future flood prevention measures....which there isn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"its more anti Westminster as they could have received a lot of help & assistance from the EU to build and strengthen flood walls both in England and Scotland but they sat back and done nothing

There are a lot of pissed off flood effected people because of this who cannot get home insurance and watch there homes flood year after year"

Tbh its not like flood plains are unknown.

You buy a house in a flod plain youre gonna get flooded

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The UK got £136 million from the EU for flooding in 2008. Sorry OP

Oh, and £127 million from the same fund in 2007.

I thought this was about the most recent floods. Both those applications were under the last Labour government.

Well the OP said "remember our floods in UK, we got zero thanks to our governments” which is untrue. We also applied earlier this year for the floods at the end of last year.

A couple of people have clarified that we squeaked in before the deadline.

It's ok though, because if we leave the EU any permutation of 3, 5, 0, £, millions or billions will be spent on flood defences.

I thought that was how much we were all getting back personally each week? I don’t know what you are going to spend your weekly £350m on, but I’m not gonna spend mine on flood defences!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"its more anti Westminster as they could have received a lot of help & assistance from the EU to build and strengthen flood walls both in England and Scotland but they sat back and done nothing

There are a lot of pissed off flood effected people because of this who cannot get home insurance and watch there homes flood year after year

Tbh its not like flood plains are unknown.

You buy a house in a flod plain youre gonna get flooded"

Also you vote in a Tory government who say they are going to spend less money, they’re gonna spend less money.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

another 'clutching at straws' attempt to blame the EU for natural disasters..

coming tomorrow, how the EU failed to stop good ard working British folk from getting sun burnt heads due to a ban on the wearing upon ones head of the good old knotted hanky..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"its more anti Westminster as they could have received a lot of help & assistance from the EU to build and strengthen flood walls both in England and Scotland but they sat back and done nothing

There are a lot of pissed off flood effected people because of this who cannot get home insurance and watch there homes flood year after year

Tbh its not like flood plains are unknown.

You buy a house in a flod plain youre gonna get flooded"

It is not just flood plains that flooded in this area. Historic market towns under water. Buildings that have stood for hundreds of years. In fact William Wordsworth birth place was just one.

The flooding was far more substantial than flood plains.

Also there were a lot of home housing properties that flooded. What about those people who struggle to get insurance? They had no choice in which property they were allocated,particularly the disabled access flats on the ground floor that were entirely rebuilt following the 2009 floods, expecting that the new defences would be more than adequate to protect in a non flood plain area.

How about the 80 yr old that was born in his house and it's never flooded but now has 4 times in 11 years and the excess for insurance is £10,000 which has to be paid before the insurance company will do any work?

Cockermouth, Keswick and Workington flooded because a reservoir dam was opened for fear of it giving out (same as 2009). The force of that water is nor just the rise of water into flood plains.

2 days before the main flooding a lot of villages round here flooded, we were nearly one of them, the water was lapping at our front door. Our garden was under water. Our kids terrified. .. Our nearest river or beck is about 100 yards lower than the village and probably a mile away. That was due to drainage systems not able to cope with flash floods.

To say you buy on a flood plain you know what to expect is widely off key with what has happened in Cumbria in the last 11 years

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

the floods has now risen in southern Germany, France, Romania and Belgium.

More downpours are forecast for the weekend across a band of central Europe from France to Ukraine.

Several towns in southern Germany have been devastated. Belgium, Austria, the Netherlands and Poland have also been affected.

Thousands of people have been forced from their homes

French President Francois Hollande said the weather was a serious climate phenomenon and a global challenge.

He is to declare a state of natural disaster in the worst-hit areas, which will free up emergency funds

Wonder how much cash they will reap from the EU, remember our floods in UK, we got zero thanks to our governments

Why did I just read that like the narrative from Gangs of New York? ?

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

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over a year ago

"This is the trouble it causes when you allow unelected committees to decide the weather ,,,,,

i though "god" was a committee of one....

although i hear BOJO is promising a huge unmbrella to cover britain if they vote to leave....

Yes apparently its to be funded using the 350 million a week we will save post Brexit,,,,,,

I mean it's not like they've planned to allocate that money on other things ....

Hmmm well not many thing,, .... just 34 other things so far ....

i know... its like they are magicians... they have managed to stretch 13bn into 113bn of spending pledges so far......

could have been worse... the 13 bn could have gone on red rums son in the 4.20 at cheltenham..... shit... i have found the one pledge they haven't made....

Impossible...Red Rum was a gelding, don't think he would of been opening supermarkets if the crown jewels were in working order.

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!"

I think you'll find it's pretty much even money. We get our so called rebate but that's a misnomer that Brussels allows the British government to have to use in British politics. We get as much from the EU as we give it. Not in direct monetary terms but in EU investment in British companies that export exclusively to the EU. It makes it look like were getting a decent return but it's exactly the same amount more or less. Where we end up out of pocket is the freedom of movement principle of which we are not even a part! We're outside the Schengen Zone.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

The Schengen zone is a border free zone on mainland Europe which we are not part of. However Britain is subject to the EU free movement of people rules which means anyone with an EU passport has the full and automatic right to come here and there is nothing we can do to stop it while we remain members of the EU.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

and equally 'we' can go there..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

and equally 'we' can go there..

And become ex-pats, whilst those pesky others become immigrants when they come here.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

and equally 'we' can go there..

And become ex-pats, whilst those pesky others become immigrants when they come here.

yep..

and when 'we' do and don't bother to learn the lingo its cos we are 'Brits' and alls well and good, and when 'they' come here and don't learn to speak English its cos they are lazy and don't wish to integrate..

funny old world when viewed through glasses of a certain hue..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't really know about the politics of flood defences however I can tell you that there a waste of money either way, we just built a load designed for once in a hundred year storms, they were breached within 3 years.

I've got no good news except they'll get worse in the coming years regardless of whether you spend a fortune or not to protect some houses... You can't protect, your crops, fields, cattle, wildlife, water supplies, and one period of bad weather like this can ruin an entire season!.

You've been warned

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What will the EU do about the floods of tears coming from the Remainers on the 24th?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I don't really know about the politics of flood defences however I can tell you that there a waste of money either way, we just built a load designed for once in a hundred year storms, they were breached within 3 years.

You've been warned"

Once in a hundred years doesn't mean it will take a hundred years before the next one. It just means it is an exceptional event.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

the floods has now risen in southern Germany, France, Romania and Belgium.

More downpours are forecast for the weekend across a band of central Europe from France to Ukraine.

Several towns in southern Germany have been devastated. Belgium, Austria, the Netherlands and Poland have also been affected.

Thousands of people have been forced from their homes

French President Francois Hollande said the weather was a serious climate phenomenon and a global challenge.

He is to declare a state of natural disaster in the worst-hit areas, which will free up emergency funds

Wonder how much cash they will reap from the EU, remember our floods in UK, we got zero thanks to our governments

More lies and misinformation from BREXIT.

http://www.itv.com/news/border/2016-02-25/government-to-apply-for-eu-flood-funding/

http://m.yorkpress.co.uk/news/14302968.Britain_to_bid_for___125m_EU_flood_funding/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7070790.stm

and many more.

It seems simple to me. Anyone who supporters BREXIT will simply say anything whether it's true or not, if they think it will further their cause. Almost like saying we pay £350 million a day when they know we £250 million gross and £150 net.

You simply can't believe anything a BREXITer says on anything.

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By *effrey45Man
over a year ago

Lytham

If we vote out I fear the floodgates could open....

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

So Merkel can suspend Schengen as she did a few weeks ago and block immigrants coming into Germany from other eu countries but we can't suspend Schengen because we're not signed up to it?

Also, refugees from non eu countries are supposed to be fingerprinted on arrival so they can be sent back to the first eu country in which they landed but as Italy and Greece tend to be those countries they've stopped fingerprinting them so they can't be sent back.

The eu is making it up as they go along and as the officials of Brussels cannot be demonstrated by the ballot box it makes Brussels profoundly undemocratic but our government is urging us to democratically choose to be governed undemocratically.

On that principle, I'm out.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

So Merkel can suspend Schengen as she did a few weeks ago and block immigrants coming into Germany from other eu countries but we can't suspend Schengen because we're not signed up to it?

On that principle, I'm out."

I'm voting out too.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Will it affect the football? Will the football score affect the vote?

Seriously, I hope that the rain stops for a while and lets the earth absorb the water. Flooding is horrible, whoever it happens to.

I didn't understand why our government didn't apply for the EU funds available. The local and UK charitable appeals raised over £14m but that is but a drop in the midst of the flood damage.

They did apply for it and got it to.

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over a year ago

You've been warned

Once in a hundred years doesn't mean it will take a hundred years before the next one. It just means it is an exceptional event.

"
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Yes I know and I can confidently tell you, you won't wait to long for another... Thirty years ago they expected the change to be slow over a hundred years, today the evidence suggest strongly that it will be much much quicker, maybe as little as ten to twenty years.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

In my area we've actually had a lot of wildlife friendly and encouraging flood defences funded by the EU.

But whatever, believe your narrative.

Tell me? does the EU allow dredging of rivers"

Yes it does. If it didn't the Rhine and the Danube would pretty soon be totally unnavigable.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

So Merkel can suspend Schengen as she did a few weeks ago and block immigrants coming into Germany from other eu countries but we can't suspend Schengen because we're not signed up to it?

On that principle, I'm out."

You’re right, we can’t suspend Schengen, because we are NOT a part of it, it doesn’t effect us at all. We have the free movement of labour (which we can temporarily suspend by the way), not the free movement of people. Want to come here to retire? You don’t have that right. Want to come here sit on you arse and claim benefits? You don’t have that right. Want to come here to work? You have that right.

In 2004 10 new countries joined the EU; Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia. A lot of people were worried about mass migration, and so the EU put in place the option for the existing member states to put a barrier on immigration from these new countries. The UK could have chosen NOT to allow free movement of labour from these countries at all, or partially from 2004 until 2011. The UK chose to waive this right entirely, and allowed full free movement of labour from these countries since they joined in 2004.

So if you want to complain about immigration, make sure you are complaining about the right people. So in this case, Westminster politicians, you know those politicians that you want to have more power, rather than the politicians in Brussels.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"The UK got £136 million from the EU for flooding in 2008. Sorry OP

Oh, and £127 million from the same fund in 2007.

I thought this was about the most recent floods. Both those applications were under the last Labour government.

The point is is that the funds were and are available if the government applies for them. If any British government hadn't applied for them that could hardly be considered a fault of the EU. As it happens governments at the time did apply and got the money.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"The UK got £136 million from the EU for flooding in 2008. Sorry OP

Oh, and £127 million from the same fund in 2007.

I thought this was about the most recent floods. Both those applications were under the last Labour government.

Well the OP said "remember our floods in UK, we got zero thanks to our governments” which is untrue. We also applied earlier this year for the floods at the end of last year. "

The OP is a BREXITer. You didn't seriously expect him to say something truthful did you?

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over a year ago

I don't know about George Eustice, but there's a nice little quote from Stanley Johnson, Boris’s father, who now co-chairs Environmentalists for Europe. He said of Eustice’s proposal: “I am absolutely shocked and horrified at what looks like a no-holds-barred attack by the Brexiteers on an agreed consensus that the environment benefits from a common approach.

“Don’t tell me that a new Brexit-led British government is going to put environmental regulations at top of its pile on June 24. It is not going to happen.”

Also from the government's environment minister, Rory Stewart told the Guardian that EU membership was crucial to the UK’s environmental protections.

“It is European action that put a stop to the devastating impact on our forests of acid rain, and we are now tackling air quality by cutting harmful emissions. Through the EU we have improved more than 9,000 miles of rivers since 2010 and our water environment is in the healthiest state for 25 years,” he said.

“We have preserved valuable marine life through ending the wasteful practice of throwing fish back, dead, into the sea with a Europe-wide ban on discarding many species of fish. From tackling harmful chemicals that damage the ozone layer to cracking down on the black-market ivory trade, the UK has a strong track record in driving up environmental standards across Europe.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/30/brexit-spirit-crushing-green-directives-minister-george-eustice

Cracking down on the ivory trade was an amazing show of unity by democratically elected MEPs. All but 12 of them voted for the ban. 6 of those who didn't were UKIP MEPs including Nigel Farage who must have something against elephants as well as the EU.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!"

This thread is about whether Britain has received money from the EU to help after the floodings. The OP said we hadn't when in fact we have.

As for your comment about EU money, if BREXIT would just say that, the truth, then we could argue about whether the £150 million net we pay a day is worth it. But BREXITers just can't help spreading lies and disinformation and claiming we pay £350 million when everyone, including BREXIT knows we don't.

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

So Merkel can suspend Schengen as she did a few weeks ago and block immigrants coming into Germany from other eu countries but we can't suspend Schengen because we're not signed up to it?

On that principle, I'm out.

You're talking about Blair's infamous social engineering program where he identified where Labour lost three consecutive elections and knew that he couldn't turn to labour's traditional voter base who now owned their own homes, had shares in privatised national companies, had new cars and foreign holidays for the first time in their lives and say, "key me take all that away from you".

So what did he do?

He opened the floodgates to millions of people who flocked here all armed with a Labour vote and won by a landslide.

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over a year ago

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

This thread is about whether Britain has received money from the EU to help after the floodings. The OP said we hadn't when in fact we have.

One aspect of the Brexit £350m lie that they keep quiet about is that the UK rebate is paid in full by all the other countries of the EU - about 60% of it is paid by the tax payers of France, Germany, Italy and Spain with the rest added to the GNI contribution of the 23 others.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

This thread is about whether Britain has received money from the EU to help after the floodings. The OP said we hadn't when in fact we have.

Of course the stay in camp are telling us 100% truths...! Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So Merkel can suspend Schengen as she did a few weeks ago and block immigrants coming into Germany from other eu countries but we can't suspend Schengen because we're not signed up to it?

On that principle, I'm out.

So what did he do?

He opened the floodgates to millions of people who flocked here all armed with a Labour vote and won by a landslide. "

He was wasting his time in that case - EU citizens can't vote in general elections. It must have been someone else who voted him in.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Seeing as this thread has now turned into a more broad discussion about the environment and conservation, how about the fact that the EU is forcing Britain to take an active role in the Whalemeat trade through the EU free movement of goods rules and regulations. Once again the minister of state for the environment, food and rural affairs (DEFRA) George Eustice MP has been the whistleblower on this. He has tried to block the Whalemeat shipments coming through British ports but so far has been blocked by the EU from doing so. This myth that the EU is good for the environment and conservation needs to be exposed.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-forces-britain-into-whalemeat-trade-says-minister-99ts2vrpf

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

Another lie from BREXIT. Anyone with an EU passport does not have a full or automatic right to come here under EU free movement rules. Under EU rules we can turn back anyone who is not a UK citizen on a number of reasons including, but not limited to; anyone who has committed a serious criminal offence; anyone who is considered a serious threat to our national security, any who we may consider a serious threat to peace and order; anyone who cannot show they have the means to support themselves for the duration of their stay; anyone who does not have adequate health insurance to cover any likely medical conditions or preexisting conditions.

It's simple untrue for BREXITers to claim that anyone from the EU has the right to come here under EU rules. They don't.

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

They went eu citizens. They were former eastern block and African citizens. There is an infamous article where mandelson admitted that labour sent out search parties to those areas specifically to invite millions of people to come here.

Google Mandelson search parties.

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over a year ago

"They went eu citizens. They were former eastern block and African citizens. There is an infamous article where mandelson admitted that labour sent out search parties to those areas specifically to invite millions of people to come here.

Google Mandelson search parties."

He was wasting his time even more then. Only a British citizen, a qualifying Commonwealth citizen or a citizen of the Republic of Ireland can vote in a UK general election. It must have been those damned Brits who gave him his majority.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

This thread is about whether Britain has received money from the EU to help after the floodings. The OP said we hadn't when in fact we have.

Of course the stay in camp are telling us 100% truths...! Lol

I believe so but if you think different bring forward your evidence of a lie and we can discuss it.

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

If you paid taxes here you were entitled to vote. That's how it was under Blair.

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over a year ago

"its more anti Westminster as they could have received a lot of help & assistance from the EU to build and strengthen flood walls both in England and Scotland but they sat back and done nothing

There are a lot of pissed off flood effected people because of this who cannot get home insurance and watch there homes flood year after year

Tbh its not like flood plains are unknown.

You buy a house in a flod plain youre gonna get flooded

It is not just flood plains that flooded in this area. Historic market towns under water. Buildings that have stood for hundreds of years. In fact William Wordsworth birth place was just one.

The flooding was far more substantial than flood plains.

Cockermouth, Keswick and Workington flooded because a reservoir dam was opened for fear of it giving out (same as 2009). The force of that water is nor just the rise of water into flood plains.

To say you buy on a flood plain you know what to expect is widely off key with what has happened in Cumbria in the last 11 years"

I dont know, after 11 years of something happening I'd tend to say its expected.

Once in 50 years sure but 4 times in 11 kinda says its not that safe a place to live

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

This thread is about whether Britain has received money from the EU to help after the floodings. The OP said we hadn't when in fact we have.

It is £350 million per week as explained very clearly by Boris Johnson on the Andrew Marr show last Sunday and by Michael Gove on the sky news debate programme last Friday. The total payment is actually more than £350 million per week so the Leave campaign has understated the figure. We get some of the £350 million per week back (the rebate) and other monies back for various projects and subsidies which the EU insist we spend the money on. So basically the EU are telling us how to spend our own money. Leave the EU we can take control of all that money (the £350 million a week total) and spend it how we decide according to our own priorities (such as the Nhs for one example). Also as explained by Boris Johnson and Micheal Gove on those programmes the rebate is not part of any EU Treaty so it could be taken away by the EU elite in Brussels at any time. The rebate is up for grabs because it is not part of any EU treaty.

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over a year ago

"Seeing as this thread has now turned into a more broad discussion about the environment and conservation, how about the fact that the EU is forcing Britain to take an active role in the Whalemeat trade through the EU free movement of goods rules and regulations. Once again the minister of state for the environment, food and rural affairs (DEFRA) George Eustice MP has been the whistleblower on this. He has tried to block the Whalemeat shipments coming through British ports but so far has been blocked by the EU from doing so. This myth that the EU is good for the environment and conservation needs to be exposed.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-forces-britain-into-whalemeat-trade-says-minister-99ts2vrpf"

According to the independent Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society:

"The EU strictly protects all species of whale, dolphin and porpoise and any incidental capture, killing or sale of whales or whale products by EU Members is prohibited. The EU specifically prohibits international trade in whale products under Council Regulation No. 338/97 which implements the Convention in Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) in the EU Member States and which lists all whale and dolphin (cetacean) products under its highest listing, Annex A, thus being stricter than CITES itself.

The impact of this strict EU regulation means that EU member countries, such as Denmark, which have overseas territories that still carry out whaling (in Denmark’s case, Greenland and the Faroe Islands) are subject to stricter measures than maybe domestic regulation would have allowed."

If Eustice was sincere about that he'd repeal Clause 33 of the Harbour, Docks and Piers Clauses Act 1847, Harbour Boards are subject to what is called the Open Port Duty. This means that the harbour must be open to anyone ‘for the shipping and unshipping of goods and the embarking and landing of passengers’, on payment of the rates and other conditions set by the Board. That would be the exact law that would still allow that trade to go ahead in the case of Brexit. Has he done anything about it? Of course not.

You can get an unbiased set of views on this from the WDC by searching for "WDC THE WHALE MEAT TRANSIT ISSUE AND THE EU"

They point out that it's not the simple situation that the saintly Eustice and his UKIP followers would have you believe.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

This thread is about whether Britain has received money from the EU to help after the floodings. The OP said we hadn't when in fact we have.

Of course the stay in camp are telling us 100% truths...! Lol

I believe so but if you think different bring forward your evidence of a lie and we can discuss it. "

Rather than keep slating the Brexit side which is all we seem to hear from the stay in side, I would like to hear some positives from the stay in camp. For example in the next 5 10 20 years how us Brits are going to benifit from staying in an EU which is ever growing and which we will have a smaller say in?

Oh and I don't want to hear anything about trade and our economy..!

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over a year ago

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

This thread is about whether Britain has received money from the EU to help after the floodings. The OP said we hadn't when in fact we have.

The rebate isn't up for grabs because the UK has a veto on it. The xenophobic elite, Johnson, Gove, Farage and yourself are total liars about that money.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"If you paid taxes here you were entitled to vote. That's how it was under Blair. "

Incorrect. EU citizens cannot vote in UK general elections and never have been allowed to. They are allowed to vote in most other elections including local council elections. They do not have a vote in this referendum.

The only exception are EU citizens from Malta, Cyprus and Ireland who, for historic reasons, have the same rights as UK nationals if they are habitually resident in the UK.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

It's simple untrue for BREXITers to claim that anyone from the EU has the right to come here under EU rules. They don't."

Telling some lies of your own there Mr BREMAIN. The official government immigration figures released the other week showed 77,000 EU citizens came here without a job to start last year so how can they support themselves for the duration of their stay if they don't have a job to start???

BREMAINERS simply cannot tell the truth and are feeding the British public a pack of lies.

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

"If you paid taxes here you were entitled to vote. That's how it was under Blair.

The only exception are EU citizens from Malta, Cyprus and Ireland who, for historic reasons, have the same rights as UK nationals if they are habitually resident in the UK."

In this referendum you are correct. In General Elections you are not.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

This thread is about whether Britain has received money from the EU to help after the floodings. The OP said we hadn't when in fact we have.

Of course the stay in camp are telling us 100% truths...! Lol

I believe so but if you think different bring forward your evidence of a lie and we can discuss it. "

I just picked you up on a lie you told earlier about EU citizens not being able to come here unless they can support themselves. The official government figures on immigration showed 77,000 EU migrants came here last year without a job to start so they are unable to support themselves but they still came here. Also David Cameron is telling lies when he tells the British public he can cut immigration down to below 100,000 per year. He can't do that while we Remain members of the EU because we have an EU immigration policy in that we must accept free movement of people from The EU so he cannot control immigration.

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

Under EU rules we can turn back anyone who is not a UK citizen on a number of reasons including, but not limited to; anyone who has committed a serious criminal offence; anyone who is considered a serious threat to our national security, any who we may consider a serious threat to peace and order; anyone who cannot show they have the means to support themselves for the duration of their stay; anyone who does not have adequate health insurance to cover any likely medical conditions or preexisting conditions. "

The European Human Rights Act circumvents all of the above (not to be confused with the European Convention on Human Rights of which some 56 countries have signed up to).

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over a year ago

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

It's simple untrue for BREXITers to claim that anyone from the EU has the right to come here under EU rules. They don't.

BREMAINERS simply cannot tell the truth and are feeding the British public a pack of lies. "

I'd guess that they've caught onto the idea of saving up as an alternative to starving, wouldn't you? Like when some British people go to Weymouth for their holidays? But then you are in conflict with Tim Martin, pro-Brexit chairman of Wetherspoons who said we should welcome further migration with the EU and that migrants make excellent employees and excellent customers.

http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/Devon-based-pub-boss-weighs-Europe-migrants/story-29211796-detail/story.html#ixzz4AqXFmvdJ

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over a year ago

"If you paid taxes here you were entitled to vote. That's how it was under Blair.

The only exception are EU citizens from Malta, Cyprus and Ireland who, for historic reasons, have the same rights as UK nationals if they are habitually resident in the UK.

In this referendum you are correct. In General Elections you are not. "

God knows why you'd want to make that nonsense up, but here are the rules according to the elctoral commission:

To vote in a UK general election a person must be registered to vote and also

18 or over

be a British citizen, a qualifying Commonwealth citizen or a citizen of the Republic of Ireland

not be subject to any legal incapacity to vote

Additionally, the following cannot vote in a UK general election:

members of the House of Lords (although they can vote at elections to local authorities, devolved legislatures and the European Parliament)

EU citizens resident in the UK (although they can vote at elections to local authorities, devolved legislatures and the European Parliament)

anyone other than British, Irish and qualifying Commonwealth citizens

convicted persons detained in pursuance of their sentences (though remand prisoners, unconvicted prisoners and civil prisoners can vote if they are on the electoral register)

anyone found guilty within the previous five years of corrupt or illegal practices in connection with an election

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

This thread is about whether Britain has received money from the EU to help after the floodings. The OP said we hadn't when in fact we have.

And there is the lie again. We don't get some of the £350 million back as a rebate. We never, ever give £350 million a day, the £100 million rebate is never payed to the EU so to say we pay £350 million when we actually pay closer to £250 million is simply misleading and untrue.

"and other monies back for various projects and subsidies which the EU insist we spend the money on. So basically the EU are telling us how to spend our own money. Leave the EU we can take control of all that money (the £350 million a week total) and spend it how we decide according to our own priorities (such as the Nhs for one example). Also as explained by Boris Johnson and Micheal Gove on those programmes the rebate is not part of any EU Treaty so it could be taken away by the EU elite in Brussels at any time. The rebate is up for grabs because it is not part of any EU treaty. "

The argument about control is valid but to say we could spend the £350 million a day we might save on the NHS when we only pay £250 million a day is misleading. It would be less misleading but still misleading to say we could spend £250 million a day on the NHS when £100 million of that £250 million is already being spent in the UK unless you say exactly whom who is currently getting that money is not going to get it any longer if we leave. Boris has already said that there will be no change in farming subsidy, so you can't spend that money on the NHS. An honest answer would be that about £150 million a day could be saved and possibly spent on the NHS or something else.

Of course a drop in GDP of less than 0.005% would totally wipe out any of those figures anyway, which would mean we would have less money to pay for anything whichever figure you choose to take.

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

To vote in a UK general election a person must be registered to vote and also

18 or over

be a British citizen, "

Quite correct. I'm not disputing that.

What you haven't mentioned is that all those millions of migrants Blair's government allowed in were fast tracked to British nationality, which allowed them to vote.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

This thread is about whether Britain has received money from the EU to help after the floodings. The OP said we hadn't when in fact we have.

Of course the stay in camp are telling us 100% truths...! Lol

I believe so but if you think different bring forward your evidence of a lie and we can discuss it.

Oh and I don't want to hear anything about trade and our economy..!"

Well of course you don't want to hear anything about trade and our economy because the argument on those is clearly in favour of the UK staying in the EU. Typical BREXIT; hear no truth, see no truth, speak no truth.

I'm still waiting for you to point out one of all these lies you claim BREMAIN has been spreading.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

It's simple untrue for BREXITers to claim that anyone from the EU has the right to come here under EU rules. They don't.

BREMAINERS simply cannot tell the truth and are feeding the British public a pack of lies. "

Because British law allows them in. If they cannot support themselves for the duration of their expected stay EU rules say we don't have to allow them in. However we choose not to check this.

Also it's not necessary to have a job to have the means to support yourself, although in most cases if the stay is for any length of time, it's probably necessary.

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

Whoa, hold on a sec. What have we seen emerging from the EU about Brexit?

You'll be punished if you leave - Hollande

Britain will not get favourable trade deals - Merkel

Brexit will lead to war - Cameron

Scotland will demand a second referendum - Salmond

The UK will plunge in recession - Osborne

Sounds like a bully boy club where if you threaten to withdraw your membership they threaten you with fear of economical collapse and even violence.

I'm more than happy to test that.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"If you paid taxes here you were entitled to vote. That's how it was under Blair.

The only exception are EU citizens from Malta, Cyprus and Ireland who, for historic reasons, have the same rights as UK nationals if they are habitually resident in the UK.

In this referendum you are correct. In General Elections you are not. "

No I'm not. I do actually know having helped run election campaigns at both national and local level.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

This thread is about whether Britain has received money from the EU to help after the floodings. The OP said we hadn't when in fact we have.

and other monies back for various projects and subsidies which the EU insist we spend the money on. So basically the EU are telling us how to spend our own money. Leave the EU we can take control of all that money (the £350 million a week total) and spend it how we decide according to our own priorities (such as the Nhs for one example). Also as explained by Boris Johnson and Micheal Gove on those programmes the rebate is not part of any EU Treaty so it could be taken away by the EU elite in Brussels at any time. The rebate is up for grabs because it is not part of any EU treaty.

Of course a drop in GDP of less than 0.005% would totally wipe out any of those figures anyway, which would mean we would have less money to pay for anything whichever figure you choose to take."

Telling lies again Mr BREMAIN you keep saying the figure is £350 million per day. No one on the Leave side has suggested that. It is £350 million per week not per day.

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over a year ago

To vote in a UK general election a person must be registered to vote and also

18 or over

be a British citizen,

Quite correct. I'm not disputing that.

What you haven't mentioned is that all those millions of migrants Blair's government allowed in were fast tracked to British nationality, which allowed them to vote."

You can look these things up on the ONS web site and basically unless you've got some evidence, I'd say you're making it up. The number of people registered to vote in 2001 was 44,695,764, in 2007 it was 45,920,503, in December 2015 it was 44,722,004

There is no sudden appearance of millions of new voters in the electoral roll.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

The European Human Rights Act circumvents all of the above (not to be confused with the European Convention on Human Rights of which some 56 countries have signed up to)."

There is no European Human Rights act.

There is The Human Rights Act 1997, a UK act passed in the UK parliament which can be repealed by the UK parliament if it chooses to do so. There is also The European Convention on Human Rights, which has nothing to do with the EU, was set-up by the UK after WWII and which we, as the founder member, have been in since 1947, long before the EU, EC or EEC were even thought of.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

To vote in a UK general election a person must be registered to vote and also

18 or over

be a British citizen,

Quite correct. I'm not disputing that.

What you haven't mentioned is that all those millions of migrants Blair's government allowed in were fast tracked to British nationality, which allowed them to vote."

Far be it from Man4you or the Remain campaign to deliberately try to mislead anyone from failing to mention that though? Yet another example of the Remain campaign trying to pull a fast one.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

Has it stopped raining yet?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

To vote in a UK general election a person must be registered to vote and also

18 or over

be a British citizen,

Quite correct. I'm not disputing that.

What you haven't mentioned is that all those millions of migrants Blair's government allowed in were fast tracked to British nationality, which allowed them to vote.

There is no sudden appearance of millions of new voters in the electoral roll."

The immigration figures from 2004 onwards to the present day speak for themselves. Millions have come and settled here and gained British citizenship during that time which logically means millions of new voters being eligible to vote in our elections since 2004.

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over a year ago

To vote in a UK general election a person must be registered to vote and also

18 or over

be a British citizen,

Quite correct. I'm not disputing that.

What you haven't mentioned is that all those millions of migrants Blair's government allowed in were fast tracked to British nationality, which allowed them to vote.

Far be it from Man4you or the Remain campaign to deliberately try to mislead anyone from failing to mention that though? Yet another example of the Remain campaign trying to pull a fast one. "

You persist in making a complete fool of yourself when it comes to anything to do with numbers. Do take the effort to check the numbers I've given you from the ONS for the UK parliamentary electorate. There is no evidence whatsoever for millions of new electors.

I didn't realise that was another BREXIT lie but since you're pushing it along now it must be. Do feel free to check the numbers and apologise.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-forces-britain-into-whalemeat-trade-says-minister-99ts2vrpf

According to the independent Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society:

You can get an unbiased set of views on this from the WDC by searching for "WDC THE WHALE MEAT TRANSIT ISSUE AND THE EU"

They point out that it's not the simple situation that the saintly Eustice and his UKIP followers would have you believe."

Funny you never posted all this stuff when I posted that exact same link on an EU thread the other week? Did you request some briefing notes from your EU paymasters in Brussels on the subject?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-forces-britain-into-whalemeat-trade-says-minister-99ts2vrpf

According to the independent Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society:

You can get an unbiased set of views on this from the WDC by searching for "WDC THE WHALE MEAT TRANSIT ISSUE AND THE EU"

They point out that it's not the simple situation that the saintly Eustice and his UKIP followers would have you believe.

Funny you never posted all this stuff when I posted that exact same link on an EU thread the other week? Did you request some briefing notes from your EU paymasters in Brussels on the subject?

Will you give it a rest with the whalemeat now it's been debunked?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

To vote in a UK general election a person must be registered to vote and also

18 or over

be a British citizen,

Quite correct. I'm not disputing that.

What you haven't mentioned is that all those millions of migrants Blair's government allowed in were fast tracked to British nationality, which allowed them to vote.

Far be it from Man4you or the Remain campaign to deliberately try to mislead anyone from failing to mention that though? Yet another example of the Remain campaign trying to pull a fast one.

I didn't realise that was another BREXIT lie but since you're pushing it along now it must be. Do feel free to check the numbers and apologise."

You do insist on making a complete fool of yourself when it comes to anything to do with numbers. Do take the effort to check the immigration figures year after year since the year 2004 to see how many extra millions of people have settled in the country. Do feel free to check the numbers and apologise.

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over a year ago

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-forces-britain-into-whalemeat-trade-says-minister-99ts2vrpf

According to the independent Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society:

You can get an unbiased set of views on this from the WDC by searching for "WDC THE WHALE MEAT TRANSIT ISSUE AND THE EU"

They point out that it's not the simple situation that the saintly Eustice and his UKIP followers would have you believe.

Funny you never posted all this stuff when I posted that exact same link on an EU thread the other week? Did you request some briefing notes from your EU paymasters in Brussels on the subject?

Don't you worry, I don't need to be paid to point out your lies. You may not have noticed but I can't be arsed to respond to 90% of the crap you put up on here because there are plenty of other people here helping you to see the error of your ways now - they're all familiar with the UKIP bullshit feed that you churn out.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Whoa, hold on a sec. What have we seen emerging from the EU about Brexit?

You'll be punished if you leave - Hollande

"
he never said that
"

Britain will not get favourable trade deals - Merkel

"
she actually said Britain will not get a more favorable trade deal if it leaves the EU than it currently has now.
"

Brexit will lead to war - Cameron

"
He actually said that Britain leaving the EU could destabilise the whole of Europe and that could make war, either from outside Europe or within, more likely
"

Scotland will demand a second referendum - Salmond

"
it probably will
"

The UK will plunge in recession - Osborne

"
it almost definitely will in the short term. The question is, is it worth it?
"

Sounds like a bully boy club where if you threaten to withdraw your membership they threaten you with fear of economical collapse and even violence.

I'm more than happy to test that."

Like I've already said, hear no truth, see no truth, speak no truth.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

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over a year ago

To vote in a UK general election a person must be registered to vote and also

18 or over

be a British citizen,

Quite correct. I'm not disputing that.

What you haven't mentioned is that all those millions of migrants Blair's government allowed in were fast tracked to British nationality, which allowed them to vote.

Far be it from Man4you or the Remain campaign to deliberately try to mislead anyone from failing to mention that though? Yet another example of the Remain campaign trying to pull a fast one.

I didn't realise that was another BREXIT lie but since you're pushing it along now it must be. Do feel free to check the numbers and apologise.

Try to keep up - the discussion was about padding out the electorate with immigrants not whatever fantasy was going on in your head. The padding out of the electorate with millions of immigrants didn't happen happen and if you knew anything at all about the democratic process you'd realise that the number of voters for parliamentary elections doesn't follow the number of immigrants.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-forces-britain-into-whalemeat-trade-says-minister-99ts2vrpf

According to the independent Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society:

You can get an unbiased set of views on this from the WDC by searching for "WDC THE WHALE MEAT TRANSIT ISSUE AND THE EU"

They point out that it's not the simple situation that the saintly Eustice and his UKIP followers would have you believe.

Funny you never posted all this stuff when I posted that exact same link on an EU thread the other week? Did you request some briefing notes from your EU paymasters in Brussels on the subject?

More foul language and pointless ranting from the Remain campaign. The British public have come to expect this from Remain campaigners now though so please do carry on.

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over a year ago

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-forces-britain-into-whalemeat-trade-says-minister-99ts2vrpf

According to the independent Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society:

You can get an unbiased set of views on this from the WDC by searching for "WDC THE WHALE MEAT TRANSIT ISSUE AND THE EU"

They point out that it's not the simple situation that the saintly Eustice and his UKIP followers would have you believe.

Funny you never posted all this stuff when I posted that exact same link on an EU thread the other week? Did you request some briefing notes from your EU paymasters in Brussels on the subject?

More fowl language and pointless ranting from the Remain campaign. The British public have come to expect this from Remain campaigners now though so please do carry on.

Fowl language?

Clearly it's time to give you and your inability to connect with the truth the bird.

Don't forget to look under the bed for the bogey man before you go to sleep

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

This thread is about whether Britain has received money from the EU to help after the floodings. The OP said we hadn't when in fact we have.

Of course a drop in GDP of less than 0.005% would totally wipe out any of those figures anyway, which would mean we would have less money to pay for anything whichever figure you choose to take.

Telling lies again Mr BREMAIN you keep saying the figure is £350 million per day. No one on the Leave side has suggested that. It is £350 million per week not per day. "

That was a mistake, I accept that the figure is per week, not per day. I'd hardly be wanting to inflate the figure we pay by seven deliberately, would I?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

To vote in a UK general election a person must be registered to vote and also

18 or over

be a British citizen,

Quite correct. I'm not disputing that.

What you haven't mentioned is that all those millions of migrants Blair's government allowed in were fast tracked to British nationality, which allowed them to vote.

Far be it from Man4you or the Remain campaign to deliberately try to mislead anyone from failing to mention that though? Yet another example of the Remain campaign trying to pull a fast one.

I didn't realise that was another BREXIT lie but since you're pushing it along now it must be. Do feel free to check the numbers and apologise.

It's you who seems to be lagging behind in this debate. When immigrants settle here and gain British citizenship then they are eligible to vote in our elections. The immigration figures show millions of new migrants have settled here since 2004.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

To vote in a UK general election a person must be registered to vote and also

18 or over

be a British citizen,

Quite correct. I'm not disputing that.

What you haven't mentioned is that all those millions of migrants Blair's government allowed in were fast tracked to British nationality, which allowed them to vote.

Far be it from Man4you or the Remain campaign to deliberately try to mislead anyone from failing to mention that though? Yet another example of the Remain campaign trying to pull a fast one. "

You're really getting carried away with looking for deception. There is no evidence to back this statement up. Check the figures yourself.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

To vote in a UK general election a person must be registered to vote and also

18 or over

be a British citizen,

Quite correct. I'm not disputing that.

What you haven't mentioned is that all those millions of migrants Blair's government allowed in were fast tracked to British nationality, which allowed them to vote.

There is no sudden appearance of millions of new voters in the electoral roll.

Most EU nationals do not take up British Citizenship, apart from voting in General Elections, there is little advantage currently in being a UK citizen over being an EU citizen. But if what you say is true, why does it not show up in the electoral role figures?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

This thread is about whether Britain has received money from the EU to help after the floodings. The OP said we hadn't when in fact we have.

Of course a drop in GDP of less than 0.005% would totally wipe out any of those figures anyway, which would mean we would have less money to pay for anything whichever figure you choose to take.

Telling lies again Mr BREMAIN you keep saying the figure is £350 million per day. No one on the Leave side has suggested that. It is £350 million per week not per day.

That was a mistake, I accept that the figure is per week, not per day. I'd hardly be wanting to inflate the figure we pay by seven deliberately, would I?

Seems to be a recurring habit of yours to trot out the £350 million per day line though. You've been guilty of it on several different EU threads now. You say it's a mistake but it's a mistake you keep making over and over and over again.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-forces-britain-into-whalemeat-trade-says-minister-99ts2vrpf

According to the independent Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society:

You can get an unbiased set of views on this from the WDC by searching for "WDC THE WHALE MEAT TRANSIT ISSUE AND THE EU"

They point out that it's not the simple situation that the saintly Eustice and his UKIP followers would have you believe.

Funny you never posted all this stuff when I posted that exact same link on an EU thread the other week? Did you request some briefing notes from your EU paymasters in Brussels on the subject?

Is it relevant where he got the information from. Either it's true or not. If it's not show why. No one is interested in whether the poster knew this information or not in the past, only that he knows it now and whether it's true or not.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-forces-britain-into-whalemeat-trade-says-minister-99ts2vrpf

According to the independent Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society:

You can get an unbiased set of views on this from the WDC by searching for "WDC THE WHALE MEAT TRANSIT ISSUE AND THE EU"

They point out that it's not the simple situation that the saintly Eustice and his UKIP followers would have you believe.

Funny you never posted all this stuff when I posted that exact same link on an EU thread the other week? Did you request some briefing notes from your EU paymasters in Brussels on the subject?

More fowl language and pointless ranting from the Remain campaign. The British public have come to expect this from Remain campaigners now though so please do carry on.

Fowl language?

Clearly it's time to give you and your inability to connect with the truth the bird.

Don't forget to look under the bed for the bogey man before you go to sleep"

So not only foul language, you've now gone down the route of offensive hand signals too. Very classy. Please do keep it up, you really are a credit to the Remain campaign.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-forces-britain-into-whalemeat-trade-says-minister-99ts2vrpf

According to the independent Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society:

You can get an unbiased set of views on this from the WDC by searching for "WDC THE WHALE MEAT TRANSIT ISSUE AND THE EU"

They point out that it's not the simple situation that the saintly Eustice and his UKIP followers would have you believe.

Funny you never posted all this stuff when I posted that exact same link on an EU thread the other week? Did you request some briefing notes from your EU paymasters in Brussels on the subject?

More fowl language and pointless ranting from the Remain campaign. The British public have come to expect this from Remain campaigners now though so please do carry on.

Fowl language?

Clearly it's time to give you and your inability to connect with the truth the bird.

Don't forget to look under the bed for the bogey man before you go to sleep

So not only foul language, you've now gone down the route of offensive hand signals too. Very classy. Please do keep it up, you really are a credit to the Remain campaign.

This holier than thou crap that the UKIP campaign bosses have told you to use really isn't working. People are seeing through the lies that you are trying to spoonfeed them

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

To vote in a UK general election a person must be registered to vote and also

18 or over

be a British citizen,

Quite correct. I'm not disputing that.

What you haven't mentioned is that all those millions of migrants Blair's government allowed in were fast tracked to British nationality, which allowed them to vote.

Far be it from Man4you or the Remain campaign to deliberately try to mislead anyone from failing to mention that though? Yet another example of the Remain campaign trying to pull a fast one.

I didn't realise that was another BREXIT lie but since you're pushing it along now it must be. Do feel free to check the numbers and apologise.

But there is no increase in the electorate. Which suggests that what the OP was suggesting (that Blair and Brown allowed migration in order to increase the Labour vote) is not supported by the evidence in the electoral role.

In answer to your point that millions of migrants have settled here since 2004 (which I don't dispute) I can only assume that, because they were mostly EU citizens they have not felt the need to become UK citizens so don't show up on the electoral role.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

This thread is about whether Britain has received money from the EU to help after the floodings. The OP said we hadn't when in fact we have.

Of course a drop in GDP of less than 0.005% would totally wipe out any of those figures anyway, which would mean we would have less money to pay for anything whichever figure you choose to take.

Telling lies again Mr BREMAIN you keep saying the figure is £350 million per day. No one on the Leave side has suggested that. It is £350 million per week not per day.

That was a mistake, I accept that the figure is per week, not per day. I'd hardly be wanting to inflate the figure we pay by seven deliberately, would I?

I know. Bloody annoying to but, like I said, I'm hardly likely to lie when the lie would actually weaken my own arrangement. But knock yourself out over it if you want. The more space you spend calling me a liar the less space you have to spread BREXIT deceptions.

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over a year ago

There are lots of other places that these migrants don't appear too - like the need to build new schools.

In 2003 there were 8,375,545 students in a total of 25,472 UK schools

In 2015 there were 8,438,145 students in a total of 24,317 UK schools.

Over a 12 year period of population growth, roughly the same total number of students and fewer schools needed DESPITE the rise in immigrant numbers.

The BREXIT people who are telling us immigration scare stories that we need to build dozens or hundreds of new schools need to do their sums more carefully.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mainland Europe has just sunk. Problem solved!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mainland Europe has just sunk. Problem solved!"

They'll be blaming the EU for the tidal wave that's about to hit Folkestone

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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago

Gateshead

The European Human Rights Act circumvents all of the above (not to be confused with the European Convention on Human Rights of which some 56 countries have signed up to).

There is no European Human Rights act.

ECHR - European Court of Human Rights, to which the UK Human Rights Act must adhere.

ECHR - European Convention on Human Rights, of which 56 countries have signed up to including Russia.

The two acronyms are deliberately misleading in so much as their design is to create as much peridiscombobulation amongst European citizens as possible.

We in the UK should conform to the latter and absolutely reject the firmer and replace it with a British Bill of Rights that applies to all citizens living in the UK regardless of nationality.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Mainland Europe has just sunk. Problem solved!

They'll be blaming the EU for the tidal wave that's about to hit Folkestone "

No David Cameron and the Remain campaign will be saying next "UK to be hit by tidal wave if we leave the EU" or whichever other doomsday scenario they can come up with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mainland Europe has just sunk. Problem solved!

They'll be blaming the EU for the tidal wave that's about to hit Folkestone "

I'm going surfing

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

The European Human Rights Act circumvents all of the above (not to be confused with the European Convention on Human Rights of which some 56 countries have signed up to).

There is no European Human Rights act.

ECHR - European Court of Human Rights, to which the UK Human Rights Act must adhere.

ECHR - European Convention on Human Rights, of which 56 countries have signed up to including Russia.

The two acronyms are deliberately misleading in so much as their design is to create as much peridiscombobulation amongst European citizens as possible.

We in the UK should conform to the latter and absolutely reject the firmer and replace it with a British Bill of Rights that applies to all citizens living in the UK regardless of nationality."

The court is the final arbitrary on any judgments relating to the convention. Neither have anything to do with the EU. The Human Rights act simply brings into UK law those rights which we have always had since we signed the convention. By doing this the act allows British courts to make judgments on human rights that previously they had no jurisdiction over and had to be settled, at much greater expense, by the European Court of Human Rights.

The Human Rights act dif not have to be enacted and it did not have to adhere to any part of the convention. However, if it had not been enacted or if it did not cover some areas of the convention then those matters would simply have been referred straight to the European Court of Human Rights and felt with there.

If we repeal the Human Rights Act and introduce a Bill of Rights the situation will be the same. That is where the new Bill of Rights adequately covers the convention rights then the matter will be decided by the British courts, if there are any areas where it does not then those matters will be referred to the European Court of Human Rights.

So I don't really mind if we repeal the Human Rights act and replace it with a Bill of Rights. It won't make that much difference and, I would guess, it will look pretty much the same. But it does seem like an awful lot of wasted time to achieve no real change at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really, this time of night?

How do you even contemplate such matters, never mind writing abou them?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Really, this time of night?

How do you even contemplate such matters, never mind writing abou them?"

It's a gift.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hokay, if that's what you want to call it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The UK got £136 million from the EU for flooding in 2008. Sorry OP

Oh, and £127 million from the same fund in 2007.

I thought this was about the most recent floods. Both those applications were under the last Labour government.

Yes it is about the most recent floods in 2015, thought common sense spelled that out but sadly on here you need to go deeper

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"The UK got £136 million from the EU for flooding in 2008. Sorry OP

Oh, and £127 million from the same fund in 2007.

I thought this was about the most recent floods. Both those applications were under the last Labour government.

Yes it is about the most recent floods in 2015, thought common sense spelled that out but sadly on here you need to go deeper"

And people earlier on in the thread pointed out applications were made and money has been given...

So will you take back your 1st post? Apology for misleading people with false statements?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The UK got £136 million from the EU for flooding in 2008. Sorry OP

Oh, and £127 million from the same fund in 2007.

I thought this was about the most recent floods. Both those applications were under the last Labour government.

Yes it is about the most recent floods in 2015, thought common sense spelled that out but sadly on here you need to go deeper

And people earlier on in the thread pointed out applications were made and money has been given...

So will you take back your 1st post? Apology for misleading people with false statements?"

I am unaware of any cash being paid out, that is news to me, so please provide genuine proof of this both for England, and more importantly for me, for Scotland,

I await your source and link for genuine proof of this as sadly the people I know that have been effected have had no word from either Scottish Government or Local Councils

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"I'm fed up with people saying the EU gave us money for this and money for that.

People need to remember it was our money in the first place!

What they seem to forget is that the EU keep over half of what we give them..!

This thread is about whether Britain has received money from the EU to help after the floodings. The OP said we hadn't when in fact we have.

Of course the stay in camp are telling us 100% truths...! Lol

I believe so but if you think different bring forward your evidence of a lie and we can discuss it.

Oh and I don't want to hear anything about trade and our economy..!

I'm still waiting for you to point out one of all these lies you claim BREMAIN has been spreading."

My question about positives for staying in was an honest one as we have not heard anything from the stay in camp.

It would seem from your lack of reply you can not shed any light on it either. You just slagged off the Brexit camp again instead...!

However if you can point out some I'm sure we would all be interested to hear them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"its more anti Westminster as they could have received a lot of help & assistance from the EU to build and strengthen flood walls both in England and Scotland but they sat back and done nothing

There are a lot of pissed off flood effected people because of this who cannot get home insurance and watch there homes flood year after year

Tbh its not like flood plains are unknown.

You buy a house in a flod plain youre gonna get flooded

It is not just flood plains that flooded in this area. Historic market towns under water. Buildings that have stood for hundreds of years. In fact William Wordsworth birth place was just one.

The flooding was far more substantial than flood plains.

Cockermouth, Keswick and Workington flooded because a reservoir dam was opened for fear of it giving out (same as 2009). The force of that water is nor just the rise of water into flood plains.

To say you buy on a flood plain you know what to expect is widely off key with what has happened in Cumbria in the last 11 years

I dont know, after 11 years of something happening I'd tend to say its expected.

Once in 50 years sure but 4 times in 11 kinda says its not that safe a place to live"

These people haven't bought houses in flood plains though, that was my point. They haven't willingly said I will live here despite insurance difficulties. In 2005 & 2007 the flooding was down to the drainage system. There was a lot if money spent to improve the Victorian systems (in parts) to prevent this from happening again. Then in 2009 we had record rainfall across Cumbria. This led to the EA opening the floodgates on the reservoir. Cockermouth is the mouth of the river Cockermouth & Derwent. The two rivers converge in the centre of town and as the gates had been opened on a dammed lake as opposed to naturally making its way down stream this caused the main problems in town. That time the house of the 80 yr old (he's a real person I'm referring to, not just someone to paint a picture) was flooded by the river as the bridge had debris such as vans and cars and trees blocking it's arches and the river then used the street to the north as it's path. There was 8 ft of water in these houses that hadn't been flooded by the river in the 80 ish years he'd lived there.

Then millions were spent in flood defences, these were built higher than the levels in 2009 despite that being record. They were topped. Once the defences are topped then the water can now no longer get back to the river so the water damage was not as high (if the defences weren't in place it would have been far worse than 2009) but it stuck around for days and required to be pumped back into the rivers in some towns (Carlisle in particular suffered with this).

After each fix we were assured that it would solve the problem and in a manner it did. The drains are now capable of dealing with flash floods as promised. The defences held and saved lots of properties, gave more warning to others eg Carlisle, and if had been the level of 09 would have prevented all flooding in Cockermouth at least.

The change has come because we are experiencing changes in climate so where there was regularity to the flooding with 10, 50, 100, 1000 year floods these are not predictable like once were and so the typical method of just defend against an expected 100 yr flood no longer works.

If the EA couldn't predict it, I'm not sure why we as locaks would have thought storm Desmond would do as much damage as it did. Hindsight is lovely but it is not the fault of merely buying on flood plains so you should expect high or no insurance. It's a real change in how we are experiencing flash flooding and record rainfall in this area.

The biggest worry is though, it actually kills people round here. An entire major bridge in the area was swept away in 09. Taking with it a policeman who lost his life but in the process saved so many more. The bridge was rebuilt and a temporary bridge was built by the army while that happened. It's been named after that policeman. In December another loss of life happened with the flooding.

But yes, now after the 2015/16 floods we are expecting more. There are no more defences or drainage upgrades to pin our hopes of resolution on. We await the radical and not so radical solutions that will come. The properties that can afford to are installing building works that will allow them to rebuild quicker next time. The shops realised they had to continue trading regardless of damage if they were to survive which was easier this time as not as many were damaged as 09 as the water didn't rise as high in town.

But what do you do when you can't move and entire town centre? Entire estates and roads of houses? How do these people cope when they can neither move nor insure?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"If you paid taxes here you were entitled to vote. That's how it was under Blair. "

BOLLOCKS! Prove it.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

" Also David Cameron is telling lies when he tells the British public he can cut immigration down to below 100,000 per year. He can't do that while we Remain members of the EU because we have an EU immigration policy in that we must accept free movement of people from The EU so he cannot control immigration. "

I have no idea why the Tory party said that because it was all bollocks, however where were Gove and Borris then? As senior members of the Tory party, why did they let it go into the manifesto?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you paid taxes here you were entitled to vote. That's how it was under Blair.

BOLLOCKS! Prove it."

not sure about that but you can if you gain UK citizenship which is quite easy if you are from the EEA and a permanent resident in the UK

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no idea why the Tory party said that because it was all bollocks, however where were Gove and Borris then? As senior members of the Tory party, why did they let it go into the manifesto? "

lol