FabSwingers.com forum: Nigel. Farage. playing the "racist" card?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers)."
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True

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or maybe false

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

But migrants from the EU are white.

Did he mean in general?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No I'll go with true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is right, cos they are following another religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion."

Which one?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Especially our "friends" from, North. Africa.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While it may be because of cultural differences, I still do not believe that this is true. A lot of people use this arguement because the statistics looks big, but the migrants are heavily outnumbered by the british society, so the percentage would appear greater compared to whats released and reported of attacks done by British citizens

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

Which one?"
Islam one

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

He is trying to play on British inbuilt xenophobia by trying to reference the assaults on women in Germany ( Köln) at the last new year.

Which were not EU migrants, but from outside Europe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But migrants from the EU are white.

Did he mean in general? "
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Quote from the telegraph.

The nuclear bomb this time would be about Cologne,” he told the Telegraph. Women may be at a particular risk from the “cultural” differences between British society and migrants, after gangs of migrant men allegedly launched a mass sexual attack against hundreds of women in Germany last New Year’s Eve

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are also more likely to dance the hornpipe, rally around a dying badger, talk in a funny language and whisper sweet nothings into the ears of passing woodsmen.

Like pretty much everything Farage says, he is playing deliberately dangerous games designed to divide and cause trouble.

Unfortunately, some will lap it up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers)."

Probably more likely to get involved with organised crime to. Just behavior born of desperation. They've been sold the myth of Great Britain being the answer to all their prayers, when in fact it's a broke shit hole where we can't even afford to look after our home grown, no hopers let alone everyone else's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He is trying to play on British inbuilt xenophobia by trying to reference the assaults on women in Germany ( Köln) at the last new year.

Which were not EU migrants, but from outside Europe.

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Xenophobia,i don't think so I think it's more a fear of the unknown,a bit like the argument the remain side use

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are also more likely to dance the hornpipe, rally around a dying badger, talk in a funny language and whisper sweet nothings into the ears of passing woodsmen.

Like pretty much everything Farage says, he is playing deliberately dangerous games designed to divide and cause trouble.

Unfortunately, some will lap it up."

Exactly. When someone from Britain attacks someone sexually, do we look at the British and say we teach them this? No, we just say that they were corrupt and so on. So we cannot look at the acts of a few and judge an entire culture on it. And I will say that Islam does not teach that sort of behaviour. One part of the Quaran states "treat a woman as you would treat your mother"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He is trying to play on British inbuilt xenophobia by trying to reference the assaults on women in Germany ( Köln) at the last new year.

Which were not EU migrants, but from outside Europe.

Xenophobia,i don't think so I think it's more a fear of the unknown,a bit like the argument the remain side use"
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Or i meant to say, it's actually the same fear the remain side play upto!.

You get monkeys to dance if you shove a cattle prod up their arse far enough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers)."

Nigel Farage playing the Idiotic Twat card incredibly well.....

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By *hocolateRodMan
over a year ago

London and over UK

Yes - he is nasty little bigoted man! As a Brown man I am not responsible for the actions of other "brown men" - just as no white guy is responsible for the actions of another white guy. How come that nasty little Farage doesn't talk about white middle aged beer drinking rapists!? hmm - I wonder why !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes - he is nasty little bigoted man! As a Brown man I am not responsible for the actions of other "brown men" - just as no white guy is responsible for the actions of another white guy. How come that nasty little Farage doesn't talk about white middle aged beer drinking rapists!? hmm - I wonder why !"

This. I completely agree with this

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers)."

I dont agree with the term "Average white man" not at all sure what skin colour has to do with it but, from the reports given by the press it would appear that some countries (such as Germany an Sweden) are experiancing a higher rate of sex crimes perpetrated by migrant than what they do from nationals.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

It's like saying to people in the far east that white men are far more likely to be paedophiles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are also more likely to dance the hornpipe, rally around a dying badger, talk in a funny language and whisper sweet nothings into the ears of passing woodsmen.

Like pretty much everything Farage says, he is playing deliberately dangerous games designed to divide and cause trouble.

Unfortunately, some will lap it up.

Your joking?? We do it all the time, every rapist is psychoanalysied for reasons why they raped, murders, paedophiles etc etc.

It just so happens that Islam has alot of underlying problems that cause sexual crimes according to some analysts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmmmm, i Wonder what the average age of a rapist is these days?

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By *ortland51Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

His comments are barely surprising, he's not had much publicity lately.

Stunt political comment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion."

That's some backward thinking you've got there fella.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Right, so these crimes commited by the migrants are the ones being reported in the press. The press never give every story. Like the stories of wives being beaten by their white british husband or a white british male coercing a woman into bed with him. Or even white women doing the same. As a man who comes from a family with a abusing grandfather, I know that a lot of British people are just as bad as these Migrants

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's like saying to people in the far east that white men are far more likely to be paedophiles. "
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Far east of where? Thailand, Cambodia, China, Japan.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Right, so these crimes commited by the migrants are the ones being reported in the press. The press never give every story. Like the stories of wives being beaten by their white british husband or a white british male coercing a woman into bed with him. Or even white women doing the same. As a man who comes from a family with a abusing grandfather, I know that a lot of British people are just as bad as these Migrants"
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You keep saying white and brown and he never mentioned white or brown.

Statistically if your Muslim or brown your more likely to be killed by a Muslim or somebody who's brown!!.

But somehow your trying to say fear the white man?.

If your brown is recommended you move to a white neighbourhood if you want to just live of statistics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are also more likely to dance the hornpipe, rally around a dying badger, talk in a funny language and whisper sweet nothings into the ears of passing woodsmen.

Like pretty much everything Farage says, he is playing deliberately dangerous games designed to divide and cause trouble.

Unfortunately, some will lap it up.

Your joking?? We do it all the time, every rapist is psychoanalysied for reasons why they raped, murders, paedophiles etc etc.

It just so happens that Islam has alot of underlying problems that cause sexual crimes according to some analysts"

Which analysts are these Doorsy?

You're going to have to be a bit more specific there really, because in my professional life working in this field, I have never seen such research.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You keep saying white and brown and he never mentioned white or brown.

Statistically if your Muslim or brown your more likely to be killed by a Muslim or somebody who's brown!!.

But somehow your trying to say fear the white man?.

If your brown is recommended you move to a white neighbourhood if you want to just live of statistics "

I'm saying white because most of the arguements are being directed towards muslims and so forth. But I'm sorry. Didn't mean for you to jump to conclusions

I am simply stating facts that are to say that we are just as bad as they are. And maybe in this country you are more likely to be killed of someone of the same colour, but it all depends what country you live in. A lot of countries kill people based on their colour. And while I agree, honour killings are wrong and these migrants need to intergrate into our society, we cannot blame all migrants. Some want to come here and actually become part of the British culture

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

But what Farage is doing; is using concerns about EU citizens migrating to the UK, by talking about rapes and assaults by " migrants";

When the assaults and rapes he is referring to ( Cologne/Köln) were committed by migrants from non-EU countries.

Really desperate use of scare tactics,

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Really desperate use of scare tactics, "

Trump does the same thing with Mexicans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

That's some backward thinking you've got there fella. "
But it is kind of true one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Usual nonsense from Farage

He will say anything to further his cause.

If it was true he would have some numbers to back it up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

That's some backward thinking you've got there fella. But it is kind of true one."

Not really. Pretty much all religions have done disgusting things. Pretty sure a lot worse has been done in the name of Christianity

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By *amelhunterMan
over a year ago

newcastle

Farage is sitting on the propoganda top table alongside Goebbells....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers)."
in the UK the average white male has committed far more crimes than imigrants but the media tells you who to fear of course

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You keep saying white and brown and he never mentioned white or brown.

Statistically if your Muslim or brown your more likely to be killed by a Muslim or somebody who's brown!!.

But somehow your trying to say fear the white man?.

If your brown is recommended you move to a white neighbourhood if you want to just live of statistics

I'm saying white because most of the arguements are being directed towards muslims and so forth. But I'm sorry. Didn't mean for you to jump to conclusions

Look most Muslim refugees are coming to Europe because of cultural problems caused primarily by Islam, I think it right and proper to and I hate to use this word but assimilate them as best as possible into western culture!.

Now that might mean they have to "give up" some old habits

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Now that might mean they have to "give up" some old habits"

Coming to Europe because of 'cultural problems with Islam'?

Is that code for Western intervention in the Middle East?

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

Statistically if your Muslim or brown your more likely to be killed by a Muslim or somebody who's brown!!.

Tell that to the 170,000 ( some estimates say 500,000) Iraqis (military and civilian) directly killed in the Iraq war by the US Army - which is 70% white

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You keep saying white and brown and he never mentioned white or brown.

Statistically if your Muslim or brown your more likely to be killed by a Muslim or somebody who's brown!!.

But somehow your trying to say fear the white man?.

If your brown is recommended you move to a white neighbourhood if you want to just live of statistics

I'm saying white because most of the arguements are being directed towards muslims and so forth. But I'm sorry. Didn't mean for you to jump to conclusions

Now that might mean they have to "give up" some old habits"

That's the only thing you've said that I agree 100% with. This is Britain and they need to follow our customs and laws. Keep your religion by all means, but no honour killings, no Sharia Law, and you treat your women the way the British law states.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really desperate use of scare tactics,

Trump does the same thing with Mexicans. "

and yet a lot of Mexicans in the US support him and he employs a lot of Latinos. I don't understand why people bring Trump into the debate.

On Farage's part it was just a stupid thing to say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers)."
its not any migrant ! its predominantly muslim migrants who are out of their depth in a liberal country

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

That's some backward thinking you've got there fella. But it is kind of true one.

Not really. Pretty much all religions have done disgusting things. Pretty sure a lot worse has been done in the name of Christianity"

Yep: the Christians were hardly paragons of virtue during the Crusades

And Nazi Germany was " Christian".

As are the Ku Klux Klan.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

That's some backward thinking you've got there fella. But it is kind of true one.

Not really. Pretty much all religions have done disgusting things. Pretty sure a lot worse has been done in the name of Christianity

Yep: the Christians were hardly paragons of virtue during the Crusades

And Nazi Germany was " Christian".

As are the Ku Klux Klan."

Spanish Inquisition too. Ooo, and the Tutonic Knights. The slaughter of the Native Americans. Basically the slaughter of most of the world was carried out by Christians

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

That's some backward thinking you've got there fella. But it is kind of true one.

Not really. Pretty much all religions have done disgusting things. Pretty sure a lot worse has been done in the name of Christianity

Yep: the Christians were hardly paragons of virtue during the Crusades

And Nazi Germany was " Christian".

As are the Ku Klux Klan.

Spanish Inquisition too. Ooo, and the Tutonic Knights. The slaughter of the Native Americans. Basically the slaughter of most of the world was carried out by Christians"

Mosquitos, Christians? Blimey

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

That's some backward thinking you've got there fella. But it is kind of true one.

Not really. Pretty much all religions have done disgusting things. Pretty sure a lot worse has been done in the name of Christianity

Yep: the Christians were hardly paragons of virtue during the Crusades

And Nazi Germany was " Christian".

As are the Ku Klux Klan.

Spanish Inquisition too. Ooo, and the Tutonic Knights. The slaughter of the Native Americans. Basically the slaughter of most of the world was carried out by Christians

Mosquitos, Christians? Blimey

Mosquitos are punishing us for not following the one true God

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Statistically if your Muslim or brown your more likely to be killed by a Muslim or somebody who's brown!!.

Tell that to the 170,000 ( some estimates say 500,000) Iraqis (military and civilian) directly killed in the Iraq war by the US Army - which is 70% white

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Are you kidding, go ask any Chinese person who killed the most Chinese people, Saddam Hussein killed three times more Iraqis than the Americans, there's more Muslims being killed by Muslims than the west could kill off we'd been 30 fucking years, pol pot killed more Cambodians than the Americans could in three far east wars, Stalin killed tens of millions of Russians and the tsar just might have killed more Russians than Stalin....

For all the "white" western values that people like to blame... It's just factually incorrect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its not rocket science . these muslim men are used to seeing females covers by a tent ! let them loose in civil ization with girls looking sexy . bingo !

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Really desperate use of scare tactics,

Trump does the same thing with Mexicans.

and yet a lot of Mexicans in the US support him and he employs a lot of Latinos. I don't understand why people bring Trump into the debate.

On Farage's part it was just a stupid thing to say.

He called them rapists, a predatory threat, which is what Farage is asserting here with a different group.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers)."

think that was well proven in Germany

gets to be a bloody joke when you are accused of being racist for speaking your mind, welcome to pc UK

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

Which one?Islam one"

Wrong.

As Manchestercub said above, when discussing the EU, the only relevant migrants are the ones from the EU, and these are predominant white Christians.

That's long before we address the nonsense claim that foreigners are more likely to commit assaults on women.

It is sad that there are people who will gladly lap this rubbish up.

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

That's some backward thinking you've got there fella. But it is kind of true one.

Not really. Pretty much all religions have done disgusting things. Pretty sure a lot worse has been done in the name of Christianity

Yep: the Christians were hardly paragons of virtue during the Crusades

And Nazi Germany was " Christian".

As are the Ku Klux Klan."
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Firstly the crusades were a thousand years ago, not really something to worry about today and secondly the crusades were predominately about removing Muslim invaders from southern Europe

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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago

Reading

I have not seen Nigel Farage comments. The reason for problems in Europe at New year etc. Are down to cultural reasons. In a lot of Asian and Middle East countries. Females do not go out on their own or dress as they want . If most on here went to their local town centre on a Friday or Saturday night would know how little some females wear. So young males from these countries only see the females in a way that may be termed easy. So treat them in a way that is not acceptable to any European culture.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

That's some backward thinking you've got there fella. But it is kind of true one.

Not really. Pretty much all religions have done disgusting things. Pretty sure a lot worse has been done in the name of Christianity

Yep: the Christians were hardly paragons of virtue during the Crusades

And Nazi Germany was " Christian".

As are the Ku Klux Klan..

Firstly the crusades were a thousand years ago, not really something to worry about today and secondly the crusades were predominately about removing Muslim invaders from southern Europe"

Now here comes my history knowledge. The crusades were predominatly about conquering the Holy land. Islam back then was what it was supposed to be now. Dedicated to education and research. The Pope wanted that land so decided to make up a lot of stuff to rile up his followers. The only reason Islam invaded southern Europe, was due out of retaliation. The crusades invaded them multiple times, and they rarely attacked in our lands

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

Which one?Islam one

Wrong.

As Manchestercub said above, when discussing the EU, the only relevant migrants are the ones from the EU, and these are predominant white Christians.

That's long before we address the nonsense claim that foreigners are more likely to commit assaults on women.

It is sad that there are people who will gladly lap this rubbish up.

Mr ddc"

On a scale of peoples worries over the EU it is rubbish but it will become more relevant over the years as more migrants are granted an EU passport and the freedom to travel anywhere

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

That's some backward thinking you've got there fella. But it is kind of true one.

Not really. Pretty much all religions have done disgusting things. Pretty sure a lot worse has been done in the name of Christianity

Yep: the Christians were hardly paragons of virtue during the Crusades

And Nazi Germany was " Christian".

As are the Ku Klux Klan..

Firstly the crusades were a thousand years ago, not really something to worry about today and secondly the crusades were predominately about removing Muslim invaders from southern Europe

Yeah that's not correct, Mohammed was a war lord in 7th century, could you tell me when the first crusade was? And why they were "recapturing" it.

The fighting in the other crusades was mostly in southern Europe, Sicily and southern Italy?.

The crusades really really wasn't about "white" people killing "brown" people although it's constantly used in those contexts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's complete bollocks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

That's some backward thinking you've got there fella. But it is kind of true one.

Not really. Pretty much all religions have done disgusting things. Pretty sure a lot worse has been done in the name of Christianity

Yep: the Christians were hardly paragons of virtue during the Crusades

And Nazi Germany was " Christian".

As are the Ku Klux Klan..

Firstly the crusades were a thousand years ago, not really something to worry about today and secondly the crusades were predominately about removing Muslim invaders from southern Europe

Yeah that's not correct, Mohammed was a war lord in 7th century, could you tell me when the first crusade was? And why they were "recapturing" it.

The fighting in the other crusades was mostly in southern Europe, Sicily and southern Italy?.

The crusades really really wasn't about "white" people killing "brown" people although it's constantly used in those contexts"

First Crusade was declared in 1095 by Pope Urban II and didn't launch until 1096

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

That's some backward thinking you've got there fella. But it is kind of true one.

Not really. Pretty much all religions have done disgusting things. Pretty sure a lot worse has been done in the name of Christianity

Yep: the Christians were hardly paragons of virtue during the Crusades

And Nazi Germany was " Christian".

As are the Ku Klux Klan..

Firstly the crusades were a thousand years ago, not really something to worry about today and secondly the crusades were predominately about removing Muslim invaders from southern Europe"

1. Actually 1000 years ago is still very relevant; and the reverberations still exist. Many of the current Arab/ Israel / Palestine issues can be traced back to that era ( and before).

2. And the crusades were not about removing " Muslim invaders"; they were actually about invading a country that was jointly occupied by Jews and Arabs; trying to evict the Arabs/ Muslims , and "Christianise" the so- called "Holy Land"; ie the land seen by the Christians as the origin of Christianity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

That's some backward thinking you've got there fella. But it is kind of true one.

Not really. Pretty much all religions have done disgusting things. Pretty sure a lot worse has been done in the name of Christianity

Yep: the Christians were hardly paragons of virtue during the Crusades

And Nazi Germany was " Christian".

As are the Ku Klux Klan..

Firstly the crusades were a thousand years ago, not really something to worry about today and secondly the crusades were predominately about removing Muslim invaders from southern Europe

Yeah that's not correct, Mohammed was a war lord in 7th century, could you tell me when the first crusade was? And why they were "recapturing" it.

The fighting in the other crusades was mostly in southern Europe, Sicily and southern Italy?.

The crusades really really wasn't about "white" people killing "brown" people although it's constantly used in those contexts

First Crusade was declared in 1095 by Pope Urban II and didn't launch until 1096 "

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By *44bertCouple
over a year ago

Inverness

Farage is a lying racist cunt. He is a serial failure of a politician.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

He's a xenophobic who is happy to divide and conquer.

He's also a knobjockey and a cockwomble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

First Crusade was declared in 1095 by Pope Urban II and didn't launch until 1096"
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And who was he responding too? Who was the pope(a catholic) rounding up a Christian Army to help? And what was the original task before the liberation of Jerusalem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

First Crusade was declared in 1095 by Pope Urban II and didn't launch until 1096.

And who was he responding too? Who was the pope(a catholic) rounding up a Christian Army to help? And what was the original task before the liberation of Jerusalem "

I added that further down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Farage is a lying racist cunt. He is a serial failure of a politician.

wrong. He is a success as a politician. I am not a UKIP supporter but they have done more for democracy in this country over the last few years than anybody

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What I want to know is....... what is an average white man.... ?

I mean is it like being a shade of white that is not as white as a truly brilliant white man or something just slightly whiter than an embarrassing shade of dullard white....?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No the Byzantine empire(orthodox Christian)was under siege! The original crusades were set up to free the Byzantine empire from the Muslim invaders.

The conquest of Jerusalem was not the original goal.

The catholic church and Christian Byzantine empire hadn't had a good relationship, but the pope sought to cement ties, half the reason for the crusades was actually about opening up trade and trade routes through the middle East!.

In the end it didn't matter as 500 years later the Ottoman Turks took turkey anyhow!.

If there's a lesson to learn it's that we the west learnt it wasn't worth the effort as shipping trade was a damn sight easier

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By *44bertCouple
over a year ago

Inverness

"Farage is a lying racist cunt. He is a serial failure of a politician.

wrong. He is a success as a politician. I am not a UKIP supporter but they have done more for democracy in this country over the last few years than anybody"

He has tried and failed SEVEN times to become a member of Parliament. That is a failure by anyone's standards.

The fact that he is an elected member of the European Parliament only compounds his massive hypocrisy.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"What I want to know is....... what is an average white man.... ?

Football hooligan thug?

Lager drinking wife beater?

Let's ask Nigel, he's good at categorising.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No the Byzantine empire(orthodox Christian)was under siege! The original crusades were set up to free the Byzantine empire from the Muslim invaders.

The conquest of Jerusalem was not the original goal.

In the end it didn't matter as 500 years later the Ottoman Turks took turkey anyhow!.

If there's a lesson to learn it's that we the west learnt it wasn't worth the effort as shipping trade was a damn sight easier"

How strange how I have never heard these facts before. Every single history book, documentory and even the museums I frequently visit as I am a massive geek for this time period of history have never mentioned this. I feel entirely enlightened that I have had these facts brought to my life and have proved nearly every historian on this period wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What I want to know is....... what is an average white man.... ?

Football hooligan thug?

Lager drinking wife beater?

Let's ask Nigel, he's good at categorising. "

Phew ,,,,,,, thank gawd for that...... for a moment I was worried it might included guys in frocks........

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"What I want to know is....... what is an average white man.... ?

Football hooligan thug?

Lager drinking wife beater?

Let's ask Nigel, he's good at categorising.

Phew ,,,,,,, thank gawd for that...... for a moment I was worried it might included guys in frocks........

Just the extra special ones

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What I want to know is....... what is an average white man.... ?

Football hooligan thug?

Lager drinking wife beater?

Let's ask Nigel, he's good at categorising.

Phew ,,,,,,, thank gawd for that...... for a moment I was worried it might included guys in frocks........

on here it does

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MfAJLGFWxYo

Maybe it was a slip of the tongue and he was talking about these guys?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers)."
....100%absolutely true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What I want to know is....... what is an average white man.... ?

Football hooligan thug?

Lager drinking wife beater?

Let's ask Nigel, he's good at categorising.

Phew ,,,,,,, thank gawd for that...... for a moment I was worried it might included guys in frocks........

on here it does

You really know how to hurt a guy.....

I've never been average in my life..

Sox flounces from this thread and nothing..... I repeat nothing will encourage me to come back......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers).....100%absolutely true "

Link to the fully methodological research please?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Farage is a lying racist cunt. He is a serial failure of a politician.

wrong. He is a success as a politician. I am not a UKIP supporter but they have done more for democracy in this country over the last few years than anybody

He has tried and failed SEVEN times to become a member of Parliament. That is a failure by anyone's standards.

The fact that he is an elected member of the European Parliament only compounds his massive hypocrisy. "

With the ongoing police Investigations into what happened in Thanet at the last general election it looks very much like the Tories had to cheat to beat Farage for that seat. Wouldn't be surprised if some tories face criminal proceedings and have their MP status removed because they cheated and over spent on what they were allowed within the rules.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion."

Especially those migrants from Sweden, they worship Haribo or something

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"But what Farage is doing; is using concerns about EU citizens migrating to the UK, by talking about rapes and assaults by " migrants";

When the assaults and rapes he is referring to ( Cologne/Köln) were committed by migrants from non-EU countries.

Really desperate use of scare tactics, "

Those non-EU migrants who committed those mass attacks could gain EU citizenship if they remain in EU countries. Then they will have the right to come to Britain if we remain in the EU under the free movement of people rules as anyone can with an EU passport.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

That's some backward thinking you've got there fella. But it is kind of true one.

Not really. Pretty much all religions have done disgusting things. Pretty sure a lot worse has been done in the name of Christianity

Yep: the Christians were hardly paragons of virtue during the Crusades

And Nazi Germany was " Christian".

As are the Ku Klux Klan..

Firstly the crusades were a thousand years ago, not really something to worry about today and secondly the crusades were predominately about removing Muslim invaders from southern Europe

Yeah that's not correct, Mohammed was a war lord in 7th century, could you tell me when the first crusade was? And why they were "recapturing" it.

The fighting in the other crusades was mostly in southern Europe, Sicily and southern Italy?.

The crusades really really wasn't about "white" people killing "brown" people although it's constantly used in those contexts

First Crusade was declared in 1095 by Pope Urban II and didn't launch until 1096

It was fought because the Muslims shared holy shrines with the christians and the Pope didn't want it and organised a front with the Byzantine empire, who incidently were trying to stomp down Islam, to reclaim the Holy Land from the unholy ones"
.....the 1st not all of them but the 1st crusade my friends was to infact stop the muslim invaders from conquering most parts of southern Europe with they were doing , raping and pillaging along the way , and yes it stoped them and drove them back , as for the others very much debatable , but the 1st to all you leffties is a fact you'll just have to stomach lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What I want to know is....... what is an average white man.... ?

Football hooligan thug?

Lager drinking wife beater?

Let's ask Nigel, he's good at categorising.

Phew ,,,,,,, thank gawd for that...... for a moment I was worried it might included guys in frocks........

on here it does

You really know how to hurt a guy.....

I've never been average in my life..

Sox flounces from this thread and nothing..... I repeat nothing will encourage me to come back......

not even a pair of well tailored slacks?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers)."

This is an old story, Farage made those comments last January after the New years eve attacks on women in Germany. There have been other similar stories in the media in Sweden since.

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By *HaRiFMan
over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers)."

Hmm little press junket here, little public rally there, little work banter here, little forum thread there slowly chip chip chipping away at public opinion. It’s all part of the dehumanisation of a people, to disrupt the commonalities we share and to emphasize the differences we have.

Because once you dehumanise a group of people it much much easier to say bad things to them, say bad things about them, do bad things to them. It starts with small things like name calling, taking statics (which may or may not be correct) out of context and over emphasising them. Incorrectly assign characteristics, traits, cultural/religious behaviours and exaggerating them to scare the mass’s and ends up in the setting of concentration camps. Chalk it all down to a dark part of our history until the cycle start up again sometime or somewhere else.

There’s good, bad and all things in between, in all cultures, religions, races. No one type of people hold a monopoly on being Angelic or demonic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm no fan of garage....and yes it is scare tactics but the truth is he is more then likely right on this one.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers).

There’s good, bad and all things in between, in all cultures, religions, races. No one type of people hold a monopoly on being Angelic or demonic.

That sounds like the rise of the Nazis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

depending on the area your from will depend on your thoughts on this. my sell cannot disagree as in local paper they do a 50 top wanted by police force for the month. usually netween 40-45 are non uk nationals and more often than not wanted for human trafficing or rape. so yes i couldnt agree with farage more with area im in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers).

There’s good, bad and all things in between, in all cultures, religions, races. No one type of people hold a monopoly on being Angelic or demonic.

That sounds like the rise of the Nazis. "

And also the massacre of the Tutsi's by the Hutu's. Local radio station would dehuminise the Tutsi tribe and make them seem like animals, so the Hutu's didn't feel bad when slaughtering them

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

That's some backward thinking you've got there fella. But it is kind of true one.

Not really. Pretty much all religions have done disgusting things. Pretty sure a lot worse has been done in the name of Christianity

Yep: the Christians were hardly paragons of virtue during the Crusades

And Nazi Germany was " Christian".

As are the Ku Klux Klan..

Firstly the crusades were a thousand years ago, not really something to worry about today and secondly the crusades were predominately about removing Muslim invaders from southern Europe

Yeah that's not correct, Mohammed was a war lord in 7th century, could you tell me when the first crusade was? And why they were "recapturing" it.

The fighting in the other crusades was mostly in southern Europe, Sicily and southern Italy?.

The crusades really really wasn't about "white" people killing "brown" people although it's constantly used in those contexts

First Crusade was declared in 1095 by Pope Urban II and didn't launch until 1096

It was fought because the Muslims shared holy shrines with the christians and the Pope didn't want it and organised a front with the Byzantine empire, who incidently were trying to stomp down Islam, to reclaim the Holy Land from the unholy ones.....the 1st not all of them but the 1st crusade my friends was to infact stop the muslim invaders from conquering most parts of southern Europe with they were doing , raping and pillaging along the way , and yes it stoped them and drove them back , as for the others very much debatable , but the 1st to all you leffties is a fact you'll just have to stomach lol"

If you have to go back 1000 years to prove an argument then your argument is simply a justification for prejudice.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

What have the Moors ever done for us?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mr Farage isn't a stupid man. He pretty much knows that these things he says, much like Trump in America, will appeal to a certain demographic. It doesn't matter if they are true or not - the smear will help harden attitudes and create publicity. If you keep repeating a lie for long enough, some people will believe it. In the US it's the Mexicans who Trump accuses of raping good honest white folk, here it's the "migrants" - In a sense it doesn't matter who it is, as long as it gets the right people foaming at the mouth.

Nigel Farage doesn't give two hoots whether I think he's a racist demagogue because I'm not his audience - but it's up to decent people to challenge these horrendous statements.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What I want to know is....... what is an average white man.... ?

Football hooligan thug?

Lager drinking wife beater?

Let's ask Nigel, he's good at categorising.

Phew ,,,,,,, thank gawd for that...... for a moment I was worried it might included guys in frocks........

on here it does

You really know how to hurt a guy.....

I've never been average in my life..

Sox flounces from this thread and nothing..... I repeat nothing will encourage me to come back......

not even a pair of well tailored slacks?

haha..... I wasn't expecting that lol

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

This thread is absolute proof that Farage knows exactly what he is doing and is very successful at it.

There are issues we are all aware of with people integrating with cultures very different from there own.

We are all making decisions about the EU and one of the issues that factor in that decision is immigration.

Farage has taken a genuine but largely unrelated concern about some non EU immigrants and used it to stir the pot in order to cause an association in people's minds between assaults on women and economic migration within the EU.

And there are plenty, in the wider world and in this thread who will lap this shit up.

He must be laughing his cock off right about now.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

BREXIT have consistently lead a dishonest and misleading campaign. They seem so desperate to win the argument that they seem to be adopting the policy of 'The end justifies the means' and will say and do anything, regardless of how misleading or untruthful it is, if they think it will get another person to vote leave.

As for this example; I'm extremely reluctant to call anyone racist, even if they are, as it's seldom helpful but, on the facts in front of us there is no evidence to suggest that migrants into Britain from the EU are more likely to either rape or assault woman in Britain.

Such blatantly wrong comments are just typical of the real project fear and project deception being perpetrated on the British people by BREXIT'd lies. Next think they'll be saying that Turkey is joining the EU and 85 million Muslims are going to arrive at Dover eager to rape the first English woman they can get their grubby paws on.

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers).....100%absolutely true

Link to the fully methodological research please?"
...police local and national man hunts , top 40 all non uk citizens and moat for rape

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

And there are plenty, in the wider world and in this thread who will lap this shit up.

He must be laughing his cock off right about now. "

They won't just be lapping it up, they'll be wishing him to stir it up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

That's some backward thinking you've got there fella. But it is kind of true one.

Not really. Pretty much all religions have done disgusting things. Pretty sure a lot worse has been done in the name of Christianity

Yep: the Christians were hardly paragons of virtue during the Crusades

And Nazi Germany was " Christian".

As are the Ku Klux Klan..

Firstly the crusades were a thousand years ago, not really something to worry about today and secondly the crusades were predominately about removing Muslim invaders from southern Europe

Yeah that's not correct, Mohammed was a war lord in 7th century, could you tell me when the first crusade was? And why they were "recapturing" it.

The fighting in the other crusades was mostly in southern Europe, Sicily and southern Italy?.

The crusades really really wasn't about "white" people killing "brown" people although it's constantly used in those contexts

First Crusade was declared in 1095 by Pope Urban II and didn't launch until 1096

It was fought because the Muslims shared holy shrines with the christians and the Pope didn't want it and organised a front with the Byzantine empire, who incidently were trying to stomp down Islam, to reclaim the Holy Land from the unholy ones.....the 1st not all of them but the 1st crusade my friends was to infact stop the muslim invaders from conquering most parts of southern Europe with they were doing , raping and pillaging along the way , and yes it stoped them and drove them back , as for the others very much debatable , but the 1st to all you leffties is a fact you'll just have to stomach lol

If you have to go back 1000 years to prove an argument then your argument is simply a justification for prejudice. "
...its still true tho , lefftie lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"BREXIT have consistently lead a dishonest and misleading campaign. They seem so desperate to win the argument that they seem to be adopting the policy of 'The end justifies the means' and will say and do anything, regardless of how misleading or untruthful it is, if they think it will get another person to vote leave.

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say."
...theirs mountains of evidence on police files lol,...wake up lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say."

This is completely true. However, Turkey has been petitioning to join the EU for years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

Especially those migrants from Sweden, they worship Haribo or something

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Yes and they are my favourites as well, mmmmm haribos

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

I've just gone through the first few pages of the crimestoppers most wanted.

Most of them were white.

I don't understand why white crime is such a problem - Nigel might know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers).....100%absolutely true

Link to the fully methodological research please?...police local and national man hunts , top 40 all non uk citizens and moat for rape "

And herein lies the difficulty in countering the Farage-type position.

It's difficulty to argue the point with someone who just makes stuff up to suit their agenda.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are also more likely to dance the hornpipe, rally around a dying badger, talk in a funny language and whisper sweet nothings into the ears of passing woodsmen.

Like pretty much everything Farage says, he is playing deliberately dangerous games designed to divide and cause trouble.

Unfortunately, some will lap it up.

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

Quran is quite clear on you being able to have sex slaves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are also more likely to dance the hornpipe, rally around a dying badger, talk in a funny language and whisper sweet nothings into the ears of passing woodsmen.

Like pretty much everything Farage says, he is playing deliberately dangerous games designed to divide and cause trouble.

Unfortunately, some will lap it up.

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

Quran is quite clear on you being able to have sex slaves"

I see no way that states sex slave

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"depending on the area your from will depend on your thoughts on this. my sell cannot disagree as in local paper they do a 50 top wanted by police force for the month. usually netween 40-45 are non uk nationals and more often than not wanted for human trafficing or rape. so yes i couldnt agree with farage more with area im in"

It's the same on the crimewatch programme on the BBC, with a good proportion of the criminals wanted being non UK nationals. I just had a quick look through the crimewatch most wanted list on the crimewatch website and many of them on the list are non UK nationals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers).....100%absolutely true

Link to the fully methodological research please?...police local and national man hunts , top 40 all non uk citizens and moat for rape

And herein lies the difficulty in countering the Farage-type position.

It's difficulty to argue the point with someone who just makes stuff up to suit their agenda.

Its difficult to argue as the statistics do back up what he says.

In a per 1000 basis north african/middle eastern men commit a disproportionately high number of crimes and sexual crimes.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"They are also more likely to dance the hornpipe, rally around a dying badger, talk in a funny language and whisper sweet nothings into the ears of passing woodsmen.

Like pretty much everything Farage says, he is playing deliberately dangerous games designed to divide and cause trouble.

Unfortunately, some will lap it up.

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

Quran is quite clear on you being able to have sex slaves"

So is the bible.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say.

This is completely true. However, Turkey has been petitioning to join the EU for years"

And David Cameron has been a very vocal supporter of Turkey joining the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No the Byzantine empire(orthodox Christian)was under siege! The original crusades were set up to free the Byzantine empire from the Muslim invaders.

The conquest of Jerusalem was not the original goal.

In the end it didn't matter as 500 years later the Ottoman Turks took turkey anyhow!.

If there's a lesson to learn it's that we the west learnt it wasn't worth the effort as shipping trade was a damn sight easier

They are facts, history is just about interpretation of factual events and why you thought they took place, the crusades are probably one of the most revised historical events, what they taught in 1970 is not what they taught in 1980 and so on, I'm just giving my reading of what I've read by many other historians

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say....theirs mountains of evidence on police files lol,...wake up lol"

There is no evidence in any files anywhere in Britain that shows British woman are likely to be raped or assaulted by non British EU citizens. If there is then provide some of this evidence. It's total BREXIT bullshit, deception and lies, like everything else that comes out of their leave campaign.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are also more likely to dance the hornpipe, rally around a dying badger, talk in a funny language and whisper sweet nothings into the ears of passing woodsmen.

Like pretty much everything Farage says, he is playing deliberately dangerous games designed to divide and cause trouble.

Unfortunately, some will lap it up.

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

Quran is quite clear on you being able to have sex slaves

So is the bible. "
....hate to add fuel to the fire but Allah had a 6 year old sex slave , and wow people worship the ground he walked on still do ...funny old world ain't it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh for fuck sake can you all give it a rest, you can't voice your concerns about immigration because someone will call you a racist, and you can't say something is racist without being accused of being over sensitive with a chip on your shoulder.

I'll tell you who the best race is, and I'll tell you who the worst race is, the human race.

Everyone has to blame individual crimes on what their race is, have you never just thought that the people who commit these crimes are just fucking arse holes? It's not really about where they and their forefathers were born.

I was badly beaten up once and had to stay in hospital for a few days, it just happened to be a couple of white men who did it, I just hate the two guys who relentlessly punched and kicked me until I was unconscious, and then stomped on me until the police intervened, not their parents, brothers, sisters, neighbours, just them, but I suppose not everyone thinks like me.

I think people are clouding the issue of the EU with what they think are facts, and that goes for both sides, but they are not facts half the time, and if you believe the rhetoric of Facebook pages like Britain first, you should have you're bit taken away from you, that story that went around about a soldier being turned away from a tesco store for wearing his uniform, it went viral, but was a complete lie, there isn't even a tesco store in the location in the story.

What I'm trying to say is if we as a people could just look past what people are trying to force on us, and see what is really going on in the world then it would be a better place, but it's easier to carry on eating up the bullshit that we are fed on a daily basis, instead of thinking for ourselves.

Personally I love people from all racial backgrounds, but I fucking hate some individuals with a passion, because they are arse holes, arse holes have no specific religion, or geographical boundaries or skin colour, they are just a bunch of cunts

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

denton

Go onto tube site, type in migrants attacking germans etc, or watch the news on RT, you will be surprised how much the bbc etc hide

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers).....100%absolutely true

Link to the fully methodological research please?"

Ok, I've found the figures on a couple of websites, but I doubt I'll be able to post links.

These statistics are frequently taken out of context, especially when trying to stir xenophobia.

Generally, when taken as a proportion of the population as a whole:

asian men are only slightly more likely to commit serious sexual assaults

black men are disproportionately more likely BUT this is related to gang culture, and is reflected in the statistic that black women are equally more likely to be the victims of such attacks.

So, in summary, if you are a nice, English, middle-class white lady, reading the Daily Mail, you are more likely to be raped by a white man, and most probably someone you know.

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No the Byzantine empire(orthodox Christian)was under siege! The original crusades were set up to free the Byzantine empire from the Muslim invaders.

The conquest of Jerusalem was not the original goal.

In the end it didn't matter as 500 years later the Ottoman Turks took turkey anyhow!.

If there's a lesson to learn it's that we the west learnt it wasn't worth the effort as shipping trade was a damn sight easier

And what I am stating is what I have read plus recently discovered findings. There was a documentory last year that states what i have said.

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over a year ago

I only ever looked into the Sweden rape stats as I wanted to check out the stories about immigrant assualts in Sweden.

If I remember correctly from the Swedish report, it basically transcribed that the further removed from Swedish culture the more likely you were to commit sexual assualts.

Ie it went something like Swedish men were least likely, then finish and Norwegian men, French, Italians, Germans, UK.... and eventually the most likely were north African/middle Easten

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers).....100%absolutely true

Link to the fully methodological research please?

Ok, I've found the figures on a couple of websites, but I doubt I'll be able to post links.

These statistics are frequently taken out of context, especially when trying to stir xenophobia.

Generally, when taken as a proportion of the population as a whole:

asian men are only slightly more likely to commit serious sexual assaults

black men are disproportionately more likely BUT this is related to gang culture, and is reflected in the statistic that black women are equally more likely to be the victims of such attacks.

So, in summary, if you are a nice, English, middle-class white lady, reading the Daily Mail, you are more likely to be raped by a white man, and most probably someone you know.

Mr ddc"
....oh I'm actually pmsl here , I bet you hated having to admit the facts and truth lol....bloody lefties

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers).....100%absolutely true

Link to the fully methodological research please?

Ok, I've found the figures on a couple of websites, but I doubt I'll be able to post links.

These statistics are frequently taken out of context, especially when trying to stir xenophobia.

Generally, when taken as a proportion of the population as a whole:

asian men are only slightly more likely to commit serious sexual assaults

black men are disproportionately more likely BUT this is related to gang culture, and is reflected in the statistic that black women are equally more likely to be the victims of such attacks.

So, in summary, if you are a nice, English, middle-class white lady, reading the Daily Mail, you are more likely to be raped by a white man, and most probably someone you know.

Mr ddc"

Quick check on the ons site (2p13 figures though) for sexual asult convictions had;

asians at 220

Blacks 226

Whites 2,114

Which is very over represented for both groups given population %

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say....theirs mountains of evidence on police files lol,...wake up lol

There is clear evidence for migrants committing attacks in Germany and Sweden. Many of who could gain EU citizenship if they remain in EU countries. Once they gain an EU passport they will have the right to come to Britain under EU free movement of people rules if Britain remains in the EU. That is a fact which the remain side in this referendum has no answer for.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

This is a perfect example of how both sides are not as bad as each other.

The right-wing are no strangers to fabricating stories on social media to stir up racial hatred.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say.

This is completely true. However, Turkey has been petitioning to join the EU for years

And David Cameron has been a very vocal supporter of Turkey joining the EU. "

As has Boris Johnson been to. However there is no chance of Turkey meeting even the most basic of conditions for membership any time soon, probably not within my life time and, if it carries on down the path it's currently heading, conceivably never.

It's just more project lies, project deception and project fear from BREXIT.

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over a year ago

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say....theirs mountains of evidence on police files lol,...wake up lol

Of course these attacks are going to be made public. It's in the people's best interet to know about it as immigration is a guge topic at the moment. If if wasn't, I very much doubt these storoes would have made their way over here.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

So, in summary, if you are a nice, English, middle-class white lady, reading the Daily Mail, you are more likely to be raped by a white man, and most probably someone you know.

Mr ddc....oh I'm actually pmsl here , I bet you hated having to admit the facts and truth lol....bloody lefties "

Me?

I just try to give the facts, ma'am, just the facts

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over a year ago

So, in summary, if you are a nice, English, middle-class white lady, reading the Daily Mail, you are more likely to be raped by a white man, and most probably someone you know.

Mr ddc....oh I'm actually pmsl here , I bet you hated having to admit the facts and truth lol....bloody lefties

Me?

I just try to give the facts, ma'am, just the facts"

Statistically, you are more likely to be attacked by someone of your own ethnicity anyway. So us "bloody lefties" know what we're on about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say....theirs mountains of evidence on police files lol,...wake up lol

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

So, in summary, if you are a nice, English, middle-class white lady, reading the Daily Mail, you are more likely to be raped by a white man, and most probably someone you know.

Mr ddc

Quick check on the ons site (2p13 figures though) for sexual asult convictions had;

asians at 220

Blacks 226

Whites 2,114

Which is very over represented for both groups given population %"

I used the cps website, but for the true picture, to understand the 'fear of crime' factor, you also need to consider the ethnicity of the victims. Which I did.

Migrants are such a small proportion they are not even counted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say....theirs mountains of evidence on police files lol,...wake up lol

I have friends from Sweden and they are more scared of the Swedish extremists than the Migrants.

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over a year ago

So, in summary, if you are a nice, English, middle-class white lady, reading the Daily Mail, you are more likely to be raped by a white man, and most probably someone you know.

Mr ddc....oh I'm actually pmsl here , I bet you hated having to admit the facts and truth lol....bloody lefties

Me?

I just try to give the facts, ma'am, just the facts

Statistically, you are more likely to be attacked by someone of your own ethnicity anyway. So us "bloody lefties" know what we're on about"
...well that's all fucking gone out the window in Sweden, Germany and Norway then ain't it , you ain't got a clue , leffti boy lol

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

So, in summary, if you are a nice, English, middle-class white lady, reading the Daily Mail, you are more likely to be raped by a white man, and most probably someone you know.

Mr ddc....oh I'm actually pmsl here , I bet you hated having to admit the facts and truth lol....bloody lefties

Me?

I just try to give the facts, ma'am, just the facts

Statistically, you are more likely to be attacked by someone of your own ethnicity anyway. So us "bloody lefties" know what we're on about"

It's not the same.

One or a group of asians must answer for all asians.

One or a group of blacks must answer for all blacks.

One or a group of any non-white ethnicity must answer for all etc etc.

I'm gonna have to start blaming all white people for white crimes, just to fit in with the trend.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

I don't think I've ever been called a 'leftie' before.

I might go and have a t-shirt made

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say....theirs mountains of evidence on police files lol,...wake up lol

I have friends from Sweden and they are more scared of the Swedish extremists ...than the Migrants. "
....im just saying facts not what your friends are bloody scared of lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, in summary, if you are a nice, English, middle-class white lady, reading the Daily Mail, you are more likely to be raped by a white man, and most probably someone you know.

Mr ddc

Quick check on the ons site (2p13 figures though) for sexual asult convictions had;

asians at 220

Blacks 226

Whites 2,114

Which is very over represented for both groups given population %

I used the cps website, but for the true picture, to understand the 'fear of crime' factor, you also need to consider the ethnicity of the victims. Which I did.

Migrants are such a small proportion they are not even counted."

People would see something like "40% of migrants and 20% of white british" in a statistic and jump to the conclusion that it means more migrants and so on. But 20% of the White British population is far greater than 40% of the Migrant population

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Well, if people want to vote BREXIT due to thinly veiled xenophobia that's up to them. I just find the lengthy justifications tedious in the extreme.

Just be honest with yourselves.

Why come on to a forum and try to show how non-racist you are to utter strangers? Why should you care what they think of you that you have to go to such lengths to convince people of your righteousness?

Unless you secretly find that you are uncomfortable with your own beliefs and you know deep down how wrong you are?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Migrants are more likely to commit sexual assaults on women, than the average "white" man?

Your thoughts please (fabbers).....100%absolutely true

Link to the fully methodological research please?

Ok, I've found the figures on a couple of websites, but I doubt I'll be able to post links.

These statistics are frequently taken out of context, especially when trying to stir xenophobia.

Generally, when taken as a proportion of the population as a whole:

asian men are only slightly more likely to commit serious sexual assaults

black men are disproportionately more likely BUT this is related to gang culture, and is reflected in the statistic that black women are equally more likely to be the victims of such attacks.

So, in summary, if you are a nice, English, middle-class white lady, reading the Daily Mail, you are more likely to be raped by a white man, and most probably someone you know.

Mr ddc

Quick check on the ons site (2p13 figures though) for sexual asult convictions had;

asians at 220

Blacks 226

Whites 2,114

Which is very over represented for both groups given population %"

None of which tells us anything about the "Migrants" to which Mr Farage is referring.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

So, in summary, if you are a nice, English, middle-class white lady, reading the Daily Mail, you are more likely to be raped by a white man, and most probably someone you know.

Mr ddc....oh I'm actually pmsl here , I bet you hated having to admit the facts and truth lol....bloody lefties

Me?

I just try to give the facts, ma'am, just the facts

Statistically, you are more likely to be attacked by someone of your own ethnicity anyway. So us "bloody lefties" know what we're on about

It's not the same.

One or a group of asians must answer for all asians.

One or a group of blacks must answer for all blacks.

One or a group of any non-white ethnicity must answer for all etc etc.

I'm gonna have to start blaming all white people for white crimes, just to fit in with the trend. "

No, no, no. White crime is different. That's all carried out by benefit scroungers, obvs.

I saw a documentary about it on Channel 5

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say....theirs mountains of evidence on police files lol,...wake up lol

I have friends from Sweden and they are more scared of the Swedish extremists ...than the Migrants. ....im just saying facts not what your friends are bloody scared of lol"

I said that because of your "facts". I regally visit the biggest city in Sweden and from what I see, most attacks are done by Swedish citizens. The only crimes commited by migrants that I can see is theft and petty robbery. I get frequent news from Sweden as I hope to move there again and live there fully, so I am interested in the current event. These facts of your seem very exaggerated

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say.

This is completely true. However, Turkey has been petitioning to join the EU for years

And David Cameron has been a very vocal supporter of Turkey joining the EU.

It's just more project lies, project deception and project fear from BREXIT.

The UK is paying £1.8 billion to help Turkey, Macedonia, Albania, Serbia and Montenegro join the EU. Michael Gove mentioned this on Sky news last friday night while answering questions from the studio audience. The UK government has agreed to pay the EU £1.2 billion under the EU instrument for Pre-Accession Assistance to these countries between 2014 and 2020. Or when you break it down the UK is paying £169.5 million per year to help these 5 countries join the EU under the EU Pre-Accession Assistance rules, (this is half the annual NHS cancer drugs fund). That is a fact.

Also the UK is paying an additional £640 million direct to Turkey as part of the recent EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis, part of that deal is also to fast track Turkey membership to the EU. That is a fact.

So the £1.2 billion the UK is paying to help Turkey, Macedonia, Albania, Montenegro and Serbia join the EU under the EU Pre-Accession Assistance rules plus the additional £640 million direct to Turkey for the EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis makes a total of £1.8 billion we are paying to help them join the EU. That is a fact.

Seems like an awful waste of taxpayers money if none of them join the EU.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say....theirs mountains of evidence on police files lol,...wake up lol

But we don't live in Sweden, Norway (which, incidentally is not part of the EU) or Germany and the attacks, as reported, were by non EU migrants. So I'll ask you again, can you provide any reliable evidence that British women are more likely to be raped or assaulted by non British EU citizens than either non EU migrants or British citizens? I think you'll find you can't because, like everything else in the BREXIT campaign, it's simply not true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No he isn't, but here's a an example of a foul sexist/racist:

Responding to questions regarding the sexual assaults (over 1000 according to updated police reports) committed by migrants on women in Cologne on New Year’s Eve, Muslim preacher Imam Sami Abu-Yusuf (the Imam of the Al Tawheed mosque in Cologne) told REN TV: "One of the reasons is the way the women were dressed. If they just wear light clothing and put on perfume, then things like this will happen."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No he isn't, but here's a an example of a foul sexist/racist:

But thats blaming the women, not the men who commited the crimes. Which is wrong

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I don't think I've ever been called a 'leftie' before.

I might go and have a t-shirt made

Can you make one for me to please. LOL

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

[Removed by poster at 05/06/16 15:58:25]

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"[Removed by poster at 05/06/16 15:58:25]"

It's nice to see some equality. The poster isn't totally untrue, although it's very strong.

Where does the right-wing hate go if we leave the EU?

It's been stoked up, it's not going away so who's going to be on the receiving end?

We've had a lot of anti-immigration feeling for over a century. If we leave the EU which group is the next target?

In the 20s and 30s it was the Jews, in the 50s and 60s it was blacks, in the 70s and 80s it was asians and now it's EU citizens.

So who is next?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

So, in summary, if you are a nice, English, middle-class white lady, reading the Daily Mail, you are more likely to be raped by a white man, and most probably someone you know.

Mr ddc....oh I'm actually pmsl here , I bet you hated having to admit the facts and truth lol....bloody lefties

Me?

I just try to give the facts, ma'am, just the facts

Statistically, you are more likely to be attacked by someone of your own ethnicity anyway. So us "bloody lefties" know what we're on about

It's not the same.

One or a group of asians must answer for all asians.

One or a group of blacks must answer for all blacks.

One or a group of any non-white ethnicity must answer for all etc etc.

I'm gonna have to start blaming all white people for white crimes, just to fit in with the trend. "

The remain side have already stereotyped white people as all being the same in this EU referendum. Just have a look at the poster put out by operation black vote designed by saatchi and saatchi advertising firm.

Even the Muslim London Mayor Sadiq Khan condemned it as designed to cause division and said it reinforced stereotypes.

www.itv.com/news/london/2016-05-26/sadiq-khan-attacks-referendum-poster-aimed-at-voters-from-ethnic-minorities/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Over 100 women reported to the police that they were sexually assaulted by migrants in Cologne. It's not racist.. It's about the demographic attitudes and values where these people come from. Their race is incidental

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over a year ago

Agree.. No mention of the country of origin

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over a year ago

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say....theirs mountains of evidence on police files lol,...wake up lol

I have friends from Sweden and they are more scared of the Swedish extremists ...than the Migrants. ....im just saying facts not what your friends are bloody scared of lol

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"No he isn't, but here's a an example of a foul sexist/racist:

So you blame the women for how they dress????

Women should be able to dress how they like without fear of attack from anyone. To blame the victims is completely ridiculous. Do you blame someone when they get burgled for owning a house?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say.

This is completely true. However, Turkey has been petitioning to join the EU for years

And David Cameron has been a very vocal supporter of Turkey joining the EU.

It's just more project lies, project deception and project fear from BREXIT.

Seems like an awful waste of taxpayers money if none of them join the EU. "

I'm pretty sure that Macedonia, Albania, Montenegro and Serbia will join the EU within the next 5 to 10 years and, provided the correct transitional arrangements are made this time with regard to migration, I see no problem with any of those countries joining the EU.

Turkey is completely different and is heading in the wrong direction with regard to its democratic structures. It will be decades, if ever, before Turkey is either fit or ready to join the EU.

However I have no problems with Britain helping Turkey to improve it's democratic structures now, something we do through other means for countries all around the world, through the European Accession fund. A more democratic Turkey can only be a benefit to Britain, Turkey and the EU whether Britain remains or Turkey ever joins or not.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"No he isn't, but here's a an example of a foul sexist/racist:

So you blame the women for how they dress????

Women should be able to dress how they like without fear of attack from anyone. To blame the victims is completely ridiculous. Do you blame someone when they get burgled for owning a house? "

He was saying it wasn't racism but was misogyny.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"No he isn't, but here's a an example of a foul sexist/racist:

So you blame the women for how they dress????

Women should be able to dress how they like without fear of attack from anyone. To blame the victims is completely ridiculous. Do you blame someone when they get burgled for owning a house?

He was saying it wasn't racism but was misogyny. "

He also said if they wear light clothes and put on perfume things like this will happen. That is blaming the victim.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"No he isn't, but here's a an example of a foul sexist/racist:

So you blame the women for how they dress????

Women should be able to dress how they like without fear of attack from anyone. To blame the victims is completely ridiculous. Do you blame someone when they get burgled for owning a house?

He was saying it wasn't racism but was misogyny.

He also said if they wear light clothes and put on perfume things like this will happen. That is blaming the victim. "

Who said it wasn't?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

Especially those migrants from Sweden, they worship Haribo or something

My other half is Dutch and a ukip voter. Shag reminds me of him, slagging of migrants whilst being one himself.

He's so gutted he can't vote out. I need to get a life as it tickled me no end.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

So, in summary, if you are a nice, English, middle-class white lady, reading the Daily Mail, you are more likely to be raped by a white man, and most probably someone you know.

Mr ddc....oh I'm actually pmsl here , I bet you hated having to admit the facts and truth lol....bloody lefties

Me?

I just try to give the facts, ma'am, just the facts

Statistically, you are more likely to be attacked by someone of your own ethnicity anyway. So us "bloody lefties" know what we're on about

It's not the same.

One or a group of asians must answer for all asians.

One or a group of blacks must answer for all blacks.

One or a group of any non-white ethnicity must answer for all etc etc.

I'm gonna have to start blaming all white people for white crimes, just to fit in with the trend.

Even the Muslim London Mayor Sadiq Khan condemned it as designed to cause division and said it reinforced stereotypes.

www.itv.com/news/london/2016-05-26/sadiq-khan-attacks-referendum-poster-aimed-at-voters-from-ethnic-minorities/"

BREMAIN has made some mistakes to but at least we have the courage of our own convictions to admit the obvious ones, unlike BREXIT who won't even admit that £350 million a day figure is totally misleading and wrong.

If BREXITers had any morality, any sense of right and wrong or any idea of what is and isn't true they would be on this thread now saying that this claim that non British EU citizens are assaulting and rapping British women is total rubbish. But instead they try to defend it by quoting instances of assaults in other countries reportedly committed by non EU migrants anyway. Any lie, any deception, any untruth, doesn't matter as long as it possibly gets another person to vote leave on the 23rd.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"That is right, cos they are following another religion.

Especially those migrants from Sweden, they worship Haribo or something

My other half is Dutch and a ukip voter. Shag reminds me of him, slagging of migrants whilst being one himself.

He's so gutted he can't vote out. I need to get a life as it tickled me no end."

I have noticed that many white immigrants don't feel like they are immigrants and actively take steps to align themselves against other people who they want to intimidate.

One example is the Polish skinheads who took part in the anti-Jewification protest in London.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Over 100 women reported to the police that they were sexually assaulted by migrants in Cologne. It's not racist.. It's about the demographic attitudes and values where these people come from. Their race is incidental"

But the fact that they were non EU migrants is totally relevant to the referendum debate, especially as BREXIT claim that their points based immigration system is going to favour non EU migration more than the current system we have that favours EU migration.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

" ....just google it the statics are very alarming in Sweden , Norway , and germany ,and I dont think google is scaremongering lol"

No they're not

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By *dam123321Man
over a year ago

London

Or the Jimmy Savilles of the world, its pretty clear there is an agenda against a certain race and background of people, but to quantify people from a certain background as a whole is wrong in my opinion, just because youre of a certain race and background doesnt mean you behave in a certain stereotypical way.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Well, if people want to vote BREXIT due to thinly veiled xenophobia that's up to them. I just find the lengthy justifications tedious in the extreme.

Just be honest with yourselves.

Unless you secretly find that you are uncomfortable with your own beliefs and you know deep down how wrong you are? "

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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago

Reading

"No he isn't, but here's a an example of a foul sexist/racist:

As I posted earlier, a lot of other cultures treat females as second class citizens. Even worse if they try to dress in European style clothing. Dressing like this males think they are easy etc

So you blame the women for how they dress????

Women should be able to dress how they like without fear of attack from anyone. To blame the victims is completely ridiculous. Do you blame someone when they get burgled for owning a house?

He was saying it wasn't racism but was misogyny.

He also said if they wear light clothes and put on perfume things like this will happen. That is blaming the victim. "

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

You simply can not trust or believe anything they say....theirs mountains of evidence on police files lol,...wake up lol

I have friends from Sweden and they are more scared of the Swedish extremists ...than the Migrants. ....im just saying facts not what your friends are bloody scared of lol

If they are non EU migrants then how would use leaving the EU make any difference? If anything it would be worse as the points based system proposed for immigration by BRRXIT would favour immigration from non EU countries more than the current system which favours immigration from EU countries.

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over a year ago

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Turn the tables I say, Jimmy Savile and the likes are the perfect example to use.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

So, in summary, if you are a nice, English, middle-class white lady, reading the Daily Mail, you are more likely to be raped by a white man, and most probably someone you know.

Mr ddc....oh I'm actually pmsl here , I bet you hated having to admit the facts and truth lol....bloody lefties

Me?

I just try to give the facts, ma'am, just the facts

Statistically, you are more likely to be attacked by someone of your own ethnicity anyway. So us "bloody lefties" know what we're on about

It's not the same.

One or a group of asians must answer for all asians.

One or a group of blacks must answer for all blacks.

One or a group of any non-white ethnicity must answer for all etc etc.

I'm gonna have to start blaming all white people for white crimes, just to fit in with the trend.

Even the Muslim London Mayor Sadiq Khan condemned it as designed to cause division and said it reinforced stereotypes.

www.itv.com/news/london/2016-05-26/sadiq-khan-attacks-referendum-poster-aimed-at-voters-from-ethnic-minorities/

I've already posted on the thread several times that the migrants who carried out the attacks in Germany and Sweden will gain EU citizenship if they remain settled in EU countries. Once they have EU passports they will have the full and automatic right to come to Britain under EU free movement of people rules. Nothing misleading or false about that. I also posted about the Crimewatch most wanted list on the Crimewatch website, many of who on the list are non uk nationals (some of them are from other EU countries).

As for the £350 million a week figure again there is nothing misleading about it. Michael Gove was asked about it by Faisel Islam on sky news last friday. As Michael Gove pointed out the £350 million is the total amount we give to the EU each week, then we get some of that money back (the rebate) and the EU tells us how to spend our own money. He also pointed out on the sky news debate programme last friday night that the rebate is up for grabs once every couple of years. The rebate is not in any EU Treaty so the EU elite in Brussels could take it away at any time they feel like it.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"No he isn't, but here's a an example of a foul sexist/racist:

So you blame the women for how they dress????

Women should be able to dress how they like without fear of attack from anyone. To blame the victims is completely ridiculous. Do you blame someone when they get burgled for owning a house?

He was saying it wasn't racism but was misogyny.

He also said if they wear light clothes and put on perfume things like this will happen. That is blaming the victim. "

I don't think anyone disagrees with you on this but I think you've missed the point of the posters comment. He was saying that the guy who said it was the woman's fault wrong to have said it. At least that's how I read it.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

An Australian points based immigration system won't discriminate against anyone and would be more fair. The current system we have gives unfair advantage and favour to anyone with an EU passport because of the EU free movement of people rules. The current system discriminates against anyone from outside of the EU.

If we leave the EU and have an Australian style points based immigration system it would treat everyone equally and be more fair.

Again you keep saying the migrant attacks in Germany and Sweden are not relevant, i say they are relevant because if they remain settled in EU countries they will become EU citizens and once they get an EU passport they will have the full and automatic right to come to Britain under the EU free movement of people rules.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

If we leave the EU and have an Australian style points based immigration system it would treat everyone equally and be more fair.

I'm surprised you want a system designed by immigrants who had overrun a native population and brought more of their people to the land without thought for or consent from the natives, even to this day they're still flooding into Australia.

You want that to happen here? How strange given your stance on immigration.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

OK I think Nigel could have been a bit more diplomatic this time but if you look past the headline he does make a valid, although uncomfortable, point.

In Germany there has been a huge spike in the reports of rape and sexual assault committed mainly, but not exclusively, by North African men.

The Cologne and Hamburg attacks were widely reported but individual attacks, that are being committed on an almost daily basis, are rarely getting beyond local press.

No-one is saying that all North African men are rapists but they do come from a culture that views women in a totally different way and as the evidence from Germany (and other countries) shows, a sudden large influx from these cultures will pretty certainly spike the figures in the UK.

Like it or not, it is an inconvenient truth.

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By *ealguy2016Man
over a year ago

southport

Is Farage a racist?

Probably not

Does he say things he knows will resonate with racists?

Yes

Will he accept the support of racists?

Yes unless he is caught doing it

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

If we leave the EU and have an Australian style points based immigration system it would treat everyone equally and be more fair.

You want that to happen here? How strange given your stance on immigration.

So now you want to go back over a hundred years and talk about when Britain first colonised Australia?

Bit of a strange one seeing as we are now living in the year 2016 and we now live in a globalised world. Would you also like to talk about how the Spanish colonised parts of South America over a hundred years ago?

Point is we are living in the here and now, Australia has a points based immigration system that suits the needs of its country and its citizens. It works well for Australia, and they can tweak the system to allow more migrants in when needed or they can alter the criteria to allow fewer migrants in when needed. The levels of immigration into Britain have been far too high since around the year 2004 when Tony Blair opened the floodgates. The current level of immigration into this country is unsustainable, and the fact is we can't do anything about it while we are members of the EU and we are subject to the EU free movement of people rules. Before the General Election The Conservative manifesto promise to cut immigration to below 100,000 per year was a complete lie and a fabrication of the truth because in reality the government cannot control the numbers while we remain members of the EU.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"So now you want to go back over a hundred years and talk about when Britain first colonised Australia?

You say colonised, I say conquered.

Part of my ancestry is from that region and it's most certainly not in the past. It's still very much present as more and more British migrate there.

Part of why I find the anti-immigration rhetoric so farcical is that countries like Australia and New Zealand are now British exclaves in all but name.

Karma comes calling eventually.

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

loads of high drama and protestations plus a few insults, seems like a good thread to get involved in lol.

Imagine you live in a culture based on medieval values where women's bodies are venerated but always covered up, arranged marriages, barbaric punishments inflicted for infidelity, FGM and all the other bizarre (to westerners) practices that are highlighted in discussions of this nature. Young men brought up in these environments will regard barely dressed young women on the streets as no better than prostitutes and treat them accordingly. We sometimes see this attitude amongst Asian men in our lifestyle which is why some profiles state a negative preference.

A previous poster described being viciously attacked racially, which in any society is not acceptable but there are a lot of us who have been attacked and beaten for all sorts of reasons, fat, ginger, crippled, retarded (I use these now unacceptable words because that was the language of the time) or anything else that made one different.

That's life, get over it.

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