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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I watched the TV program yesterday evening about the bullying and sexual abuse at Deepcut Barracks. Being an ex soldier I found it sickening.

I was never hit or abused as a recruit and later as an instructor I never took advantage if my rank in order to bully recruits. I always respected them for joining g up. Even those who left the army because they either couldn't do the job well enough or for personal reasons. I watched it feeling great sadness for those youngsters. I hope lessons have been learned.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

It will happen again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure you'll ever fully eradicate it. Power goes to some people's heads, be it in the army or workplace in general. Bullies are spineless. You just have to hope someone is there who the victim can talk to or their fellow recruits step in too.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Deepcut went way beyond what is unacceptable

The era of cover ups is hopefully over

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Not sure you'll ever fully eradicate it. Power goes to some people's heads, be it in the army or workplace in general. Bullies are spineless. You just have to hope someone is there who the victim can talk to or their fellow recruits step in too. "

I hope so to. On day one of training I always told new recruits that if they had any problems to come and see me and they did. I was firm in training them but also fair. I always thought that if I showed them respect they in turn would respect me and on the whole it worked. I helped those who needed extra help with their training and always listened to their problems. Be it to do with the army or personal matters. A lot of those youngsters are now in their early 40,s and i am still in contact with now. So it seems a great shame that bullying young recruits who decided to serve their country was so frequent at what should of been an exciting part of their career.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being a soldier is a serious business, and a certain amount of toughening up is necessary in order to not let emotions get in the way while there is a job that needs doing.

However, there is a massive margin between toughening up, and destroying someone's spirit and will, sending a bunch of lads into battle after being fucked up before a shot has been fired is dangerous and irresponsible and serves no purpose

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Being a soldier is a serious business, and a certain amount of toughening up is necessary in order to not let emotions get in the way while there is a job that needs doing.

However, there is a massive margin between toughening up, and destroying someone's spirit and will, sending a bunch of lads into battle after being fucked up before a shot has been fired is dangerous and irresponsible and serves no purpose "

The Deepcut saga (on-going for 21 years now [still a few more before we get to a Hillsborough]) has nothing to do with 'toughening up' people.

Pte Cheryl James, 18, was found dead with a bullet wound to the head in 1995.

The Coroner said the wound was "self-inflicted" and Pte James fired the gun intentionally.

Her father said the family did not believe evidence led to verdict.

She was one of four recruits to die at the base in seven years.

The inquest also heard that the post-mortem could have been more thorough and that the bullet fragments were disposed of.

The inquest, which is the second into Pte James's death, began in February and heard from more than 100 witnesses.

A first inquest into Pte James's death in December 1995 recorded an open verdict which was quashed by the High Court.

The mother of another soldier who died, Pte Geoff Gray, said she was also applying for the open verdict on her own son's death to be overturned.

Pte Gray, from Seaham, County Durham, was 17 when he was found dead from two gunshot wounds at the base in September 2001.

Det Sup Adam Hibbert of Surrey Police said the force "has long accepted mistakes were made during the initial investigation", and reiterated an apology to the family.

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Further reading: The malevolent culture at Deepcut barracks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/the-reporters-36430464

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Being a soldier is a serious business, and a certain amount of toughening up is necessary in order to not let emotions get in the way while there is a job that needs doing.

However, there is a massive margin between toughening up, and destroying someone's spirit and will, sending a bunch of lads into battle after being fucked up before a shot has been fired is dangerous and irresponsible and serves no purpose

The Deepcut saga (on-going for 21 years now [still a few more before we get to a Hillsborough]) has nothing to do with 'toughening up' people.

Pte Cheryl James, 18, was found dead with a bullet wound to the head in 1995.

The Coroner said the wound was "self-inflicted" and Pte James fired the gun intentionally.

Her father said the family did not believe evidence led to verdict.

She was one of four recruits to die at the base in seven years.

The inquest also heard that the post-mortem could have been more thorough and that the bullet fragments were disposed of.

The inquest, which is the second into Pte James's death, began in February and heard from more than 100 witnesses.

A first inquest into Pte James's death in December 1995 recorded an open verdict which was quashed by the High Court.

The mother of another soldier who died, Pte Geoff Gray, said she was also applying for the open verdict on her own son's death to be overturned.

Pte Gray, from Seaham, County Durham, was 17 when he was found dead from two gunshot wounds at the base in September 2001.

Det Sup Adam Hibbert of Surrey Police said the force "has long accepted mistakes were made during the initial investigation", and reiterated an apology to the family.

.

Further reading: The malevolent culture at Deepcut barracks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/the-reporters-36430464"

I was actually referring to bullying in the armed forces in general, not just deep cut

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Being a soldier is a serious business, and a certain amount of toughening up is necessary in order to not let emotions get in the way while there is a job that needs doing.

However, there is a massive margin between toughening up, and destroying someone's spirit and will, sending a bunch of lads into battle after being fucked up before a shot has been fired is dangerous and irresponsible and serves no purpose

The Deepcut saga (on-going for 21 years now [still a few more before we get to a Hillsborough]) has nothing to do with 'toughening up' people.

Pte Cheryl James, 18, was found dead with a bullet wound to the head in 1995.

The Coroner said the wound was "self-inflicted" and Pte James fired the gun intentionally.

Her father said the family did not believe evidence led to verdict.

She was one of four recruits to die at the base in seven years.

The inquest also heard that the post-mortem could have been more thorough and that the bullet fragments were disposed of.

The inquest, which is the second into Pte James's death, began in February and heard from more than 100 witnesses.

A first inquest into Pte James's death in December 1995 recorded an open verdict which was quashed by the High Court.

The mother of another soldier who died, Pte Geoff Gray, said she was also applying for the open verdict on her own son's death to be overturned.

Pte Gray, from Seaham, County Durham, was 17 when he was found dead from two gunshot wounds at the base in September 2001.

Det Sup Adam Hibbert of Surrey Police said the force "has long accepted mistakes were made during the initial investigation", and reiterated an apology to the family.

.

Further reading: The malevolent culture at Deepcut barracks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/the-reporters-36430464

I was actually referring to bullying in the armed forces in general, not just deep cut "

In which case, look no further than the Stanford Prison Experiment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

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