FabSwingers.com mobile

Join us FREE, we're FREE to use

Web's largest swingers site since 2006.

Already registered?
Login here

Back to forum list
Back to The Lounge

Points System vs uncontrolled immigration

Jump to newest
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

A lot of people are saying that the Australian points system is used to increase the population. A few things to bear in mind. The population of Australia is just over 23 million, that's just under 3 times the population of London which is about 8.5 million, so their population increase is not that drastic. In 2013 526,000 immigrants came to the U.K. that's less than the total immigration figures arriving in Australia for the past decade. So sure their population is increasing but it's increasing with much needed, skilled people. Contrast their system with our out of control, having to take anyone scheme. The key word with a points based system is control. So yes the Aussies do have a points based system to increase the population but they control who they accept and the numbers they accept unlike us who took in 318,000 immigrants last year alone into an already overcrowded job market, overstretched NHS and housing shortage environment.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we're an island and well and not a continent.

idk what this topic is about.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *aul DeUther-OneMan
over a year ago

Sussex

The idea if a points based system is not new in the UK. Alot of our welfare benefits system use 'points' and local authorities award housing do it.

Perhaps what would make it even more fair is if we applied "right to stay" tests to ALL residents regardless of country of birth...

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Governments need to invest appropriately in infrastructure, so no use blaming free movement on crap government.

I've benefited hugely from EU free movement

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

The trouble is, your theory assumes that politicians wish to actually control immigration, whereas the non-EU figures show this to be patently untrue.

My suspicion is that whatever system you propose, farmers will still plead for pickers, takeaways will still clamour for cooks and hospitals will still need nurses.

All would be well if they simply provided the infrastructure, but that sometimes means upsetting the NIMBYs.

Mr ddc

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"The idea if a points based system is not new in the UK. Alot of our welfare benefits system use 'points' and local authorities award housing do it.

Perhaps what would make it even more fair is if we applied "right to stay" tests to ALL residents regardless of country of birth..."

Where would you send displaced UK citizens?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The idea if a points based system is not new in the UK. Alot of our welfare benefits system use 'points' and local authorities award housing do it.

Perhaps what would make it even more fair is if we applied "right to stay" tests to ALL residents regardless of country of birth...

Where would you send displaced UK citizens? "

St Helena

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wasn't aware an uncontrolled immigration policy was in operation or even under consideration for the UK.....

I thought its was perhaps just one of those alarmist term used in corrupt attempts to impose a wider agenda....

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"I wasn't aware an uncontrolled immigration policy was in operation or even under consideration for the UK.....

I thought its was perhaps just one of those alarmist term used in corrupt attempts to impose a wider agenda....

"

You're right

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"The idea if a points based system is not new in the UK. Alot of our welfare benefits system use 'points' and local authorities award housing do it.

Perhaps what would make it even more fair is if we applied "right to stay" tests to ALL residents regardless of country of birth...

Where would you send displaced UK citizens? "

You have it all wrong, having decided which ones are best, we should take-over Spain and move there, leave everyone else here with the shit weather.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"A lot of people are saying that the Australian points system is used to increase the population. A few things to bear in mind. The population of Australia is just over 23 million, that's just under 3 times the population of London which is about 8.5 million, so their population increase is not that drastic. In 2013 526,000 immigrants came to the U.K. that's less than the total immigration figures arriving in Australia for the past decade. So sure their population is increasing but it's increasing with much needed, skilled people. Contrast their system with our out of control, having to take anyone scheme. The key word with a points based system is control. So yes the Aussies do have a points based system to increase the population but they control who they accept and the numbers they accept unlike us who took in 318,000 immigrants last year alone into an already overcrowded job market, overstretched NHS and housing shortage environment."

yeah... that "overstretched" NHS of which you speak.... about 15% of all NHS staff come from the EU...

Those would be the same people that would look after you in some sort of health emergency.....

just as well they don't look at you the distain you look at them.....

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Don't Australia have a massive illegal immigrant problem? I'm sure I've read about 'boat people' being a huge problem out there.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Governments need to invest appropriately in infrastructure, so no use blaming free movement on crap government.

I've benefited hugely from EU free movement "

So do you want to pay 30% income tax to pay for it?

Not against immigration as most are hard workers

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I wasn't aware an uncontrolled immigration policy was in operation or even under consideration for the UK.....

I thought its was perhaps just one of those alarmist term used in corrupt attempts to impose a wider agenda....

"

no its not but it suits those with an agenda..

i actually thought we had our own points based system..?

hey ho..

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wasn't aware an uncontrolled immigration policy was in operation or even under consideration for the UK.....

I thought its was perhaps just one of those alarmist term used in corrupt attempts to impose a wider agenda....

You're right "

We take on a small fraction of the immigrants compared to most other European countries. We need the opposite of a points system. We need to take as many people as we can that need our help. Those people have little to offer but they have been persecuted and need a safe home for them and their families. We were so lucky to have been born here. We should follow Sweden and Germany and take an extra million. I am happy to pay more tax for that.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Governments need to invest appropriately in infrastructure, so no use blaming free movement on crap government.

I've benefited hugely from EU free movement

So do you want to pay 30% income tax to pay for it?

Not against immigration as most are hard workers "

Naturally I pay all appropriate taxes as due. Any claims of my business or personal taxes being massaged will be referred to my offshore team, where I currently am, due to residency rules.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wasn't aware an uncontrolled immigration policy was in operation or even under consideration for the UK.....

I thought its was perhaps just one of those alarmist term used in corrupt attempts to impose a wider agenda....

You're right

We take on a small fraction of the immigrants compared to most other European countries. We need the opposite of a points system. We need to take as many people as we can that need our help. Those people have little to offer but they have been persecuted and need a safe home for them and their families. We were so lucky to have been born here. We should follow Sweden and Germany and take an extra million. I am happy to pay more tax for that. "

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"A lot of people are saying that the Australian points system is used to increase the population. A few things to bear in mind. The population of Australia is just over 23 million, that's just under 3 times the population of London which is about 8.5 million, so their population increase is not that drastic. In 2013 526,000 immigrants came to the U.K. that's less than the total immigration figures arriving in Australia for the past decade. So sure their population is increasing but it's increasing with much needed, skilled people. Contrast their system with our out of control, having to take anyone scheme. The key word with a points based system is control. So yes the Aussies do have a points based system to increase the population but they control who they accept and the numbers they accept unlike us who took in 318,000 immigrants last year alone into an already overcrowded job market, overstretched NHS and housing shortage environment."

one thing to bear in mind is we actually have our own points based system in place, now..

and a recent report by economists concluded that those from the EU are a net benefit to the UK economy..

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"I wasn't aware an uncontrolled immigration policy was in operation or even under consideration for the UK.....

I thought its was perhaps just one of those alarmist term used in corrupt attempts to impose a wider agenda....

no its not but it suits those with an agenda..

i actually thought we had our own points based system..?

hey ho.."

We do have a points based system and its working In agreement with Cameron and Johnson's beliefs.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

You want the Australian system?

You want immigrants to come here from the other side of world, brutalise and marginalise the native people, overpopulate the native people, install their own system of governance and then set up a points system to have more of their people migrate here?

Ummmmm, ok!

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wasn't aware an uncontrolled immigration policy was in operation or even under consideration for the UK.....

I thought its was perhaps just one of those alarmist term used in corrupt attempts to impose a wider agenda....

You're right

We take on a small fraction of the immigrants compared to most other European countries. We need the opposite of a points system. We need to take as many people as we can that need our help. Those people have little to offer but they have been persecuted and need a safe home for them and their families. We were so lucky to have been born here. We should follow Sweden and Germany and take an extra million. I am happy to pay more tax for that. "

I agree we are ridiculously lucky to be born here. I am always surprised people don't seem to recognise that. We are incredibly rich compared to most of the world.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought the Australian system rewarded you with 5 years citizenship for every chicken you'd been caught stealing to feed your family.....

ahem.... presuming you survived the voyage

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Publicity and facts about the Australian points system have always been cherry picked.

Publicity and facts about most things have always been cherry picked.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Publicity and facts about the Australian points system have always been cherry picked.

Publicity and facts about most things have always been cherry picked."

it would also appear that the OP is rather partial to cherries as well..

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *htcMan
over a year ago

MK

should be point system, or a system where they can only come here if they fully support there selfs, no benefits no free housing no free nhs or any handouts, once they are working and have paid taxs for at least 2-3years then they have ability to use nhs for free. if they have not broken the law by then. after 4 years they are entitled to limited benefits only, only after 10 years should they be entitled to all benefits, but not for life still only limited period max 1 year. if they fail after this then returned to there own country.

if they break the law more than twice deportation. serious crime and little crimes should have points.

never should they be entitled to a British citizenship or passport unless genuinely married to a british citizen for at least 3-5years with out any crimes on there record or points.

visa renews every one year, and is checked

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

yeah... that "overstretched" NHS of which you speak.... about 15% of all NHS staff come from the EU...

Those would be the same people that would look after you in some sort of health emergency.....

just as well they don't look at you the distain you look at them....."

This is a typical case of opening the mouth without understanding the facts. A points based system would actually allow medical staff into the country because their occupations would be on the skilled jobs list. Take a moment to look at the DIMIA website and look at the skilled jobs on it. There are a lot of medical occupations on it. That's one of the advantages of basing your immigration requirements on who will benefit this country.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't Australia have a massive illegal immigrant problem? I'm sure I've read about 'boat people' being a huge problem out there. "
no the just shoot at them were do I sign up

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

yeah... that "overstretched" NHS of which you speak.... about 15% of all NHS staff come from the EU...

Those would be the same people that would look after you in some sort of health emergency.....

just as well they don't look at you the distain you look at them.....

This is a typical case of opening the mouth without understanding the facts. A points based system would actually allow medical staff into the country because their occupations would be on the skilled jobs list. Take a moment to look at the DIMIA website and look at the skilled jobs on it. There are a lot of medical occupations on it. That's one of the advantages of basing your immigration requirements on who will benefit this country."

you mean like the one that is now going to kick out non-EU teachers out from the beginning of the next school year.........

for those who don't know, the current govt changed the work permit rules in the last parliament which part of their criteria is now that for a person from a non-eu country to work here they must earn at least 35,000 per year...

and teachers from countries like South Africa, The US, Canada and New Zealand are having their work permits revoked...

its all well and good saying you want this system oh and it will protect everyone... that is still asking a government to implement it....

and if that is what we are doing to people coming over here... why should they countries not do the same to the uk....

for example... about 100k spanish people living in the UK working... about 400K brits living in spain....

you can't tell me its not in spain's interest to for example remove healthcare rights... after all its a pressure on their health service? right??

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

yeah... that "overstretched" NHS of which you speak.... about 15% of all NHS staff come from the EU...

Those would be the same people that would look after you in some sort of health emergency.....

just as well they don't look at you the distain you look at them.....

This is a typical case of opening the mouth without understanding the facts. A points based system would actually allow medical staff into the country because their occupations would be on the skilled jobs list. Take a moment to look at the DIMIA website and look at the skilled jobs on it. There are a lot of medical occupations on it. That's one of the advantages of basing your immigration requirements on who will benefit this country.

you mean like the one that is now going to kick out non-EU teachers out from the beginning of the next school year.........

for those who don't know, the current govt changed the work permit rules in the last parliament which part of their criteria is now that for a person from a non-eu country to work here they must earn at least 35,000 per year...

and teachers from countries like South Africa, The US, Canada and New Zealand are having their work permits revoked...

its all well and good saying you want this system oh and it will protect everyone... that is still asking a government to implement it....

and if that is what we are doing to people coming over here... why should they countries not do the same to the uk....

for example... about 100k spanish people living in the UK working... about 400K brits living in spain....

you can't tell me its not in spain's interest to for example remove healthcare rights... after all its a pressure on their health service? right?? "

I don't have a problem with people coming here to work but I want the British people to be in control of who and how many people come into this country.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

In terms of non EU visitors,we have a 5 tier system....effectively it is a points system....and anyone who is unskilled and without the means to support themselves will not be admitted. The stamp on the passport in relation to many of the qualifiers(such as short term students) says "Without recourse to Public funds" which also includes no access to free use of NHS.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"In terms of non EU visitors,we have a 5 tier system....effectively it is a points system....and anyone who is unskilled and without the means to support themselves will not be admitted. The stamp on the passport in relation to many of the qualifiers(such as short term students) says "Without recourse to Public funds" which also includes no access to free use of NHS."

So all of the 318,000 people who came here last year are highly skilled people with jobs waiting for them and none of them are going to visit a doctor or need to go to hospital??

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What I want to know is if we closed the border, how long would it be before :

a) we had an increase in posts moaning about the lack of available BBC ?, and

b) would we see a drop in the why won't you shag an asian' posts ?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Governments need to invest appropriately in infrastructure, so no use blaming free movement on crap government.

I've benefited hugely from EU free movement "
.

I'd say I'd agree with you except one little point.

The infrastructure costs would far offset any benefit you get from immigration...

Now let's get back to the original question, Australia, now what I'd like to know is where they get their "fruit pickers" "take away cooks" and "nurses" from... Scrap that they get alot of their nurses from the UK... How do they do it, oh yeah they pay them good wages and for that they get reasonable hours and cheaper housing!.

It seems it wouldn't be so impossible to keep our nurses if we actually fucking tried

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In terms of non EU visitors,we have a 5 tier system....effectively it is a points system....and anyone who is unskilled and without the means to support themselves will not be admitted. The stamp on the passport in relation to many of the qualifiers(such as short term students) says "Without recourse to Public funds" which also includes no access to free use of NHS.

So all of the 318,000 people who came here last year are highly skilled people with jobs waiting for them and none of them are going to visit a doctor or need to go to hospital??"
.

Who actually knows how many people are here, only last month the government admitted they don't count people who say there staying less than 8 months or something.

It's all just best guess

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury


"In terms of non EU visitors,we have a 5 tier system....effectively it is a points system....and anyone who is unskilled and without the means to support themselves will not be admitted. The stamp on the passport in relation to many of the qualifiers(such as short term students) says "Without recourse to Public funds" which also includes no access to free use of NHS.

So all of the 318,000 people who came here last year are highly skilled people with jobs waiting for them and none of them are going to visit a doctor or need to go to hospital??"

No...they have to demonstrate that they have adequate medical cover before they are admitted.....simples!

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In terms of non EU visitors,we have a 5 tier system....effectively it is a points system....and anyone who is unskilled and without the means to support themselves will not be admitted. The stamp on the passport in relation to many of the qualifiers(such as short term students) says "Without recourse to Public funds" which also includes no access to free use of NHS.

So all of the 318,000 people who came here last year are highly skilled people with jobs waiting for them and none of them are going to visit a doctor or need to go to hospital??

No...they have to demonstrate that they have adequate medical cover before they are admitted.....simples!"

Just remind me. Which government department are responsible for billing immigrants who have no medical insurance but have medical treament in hospital?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury


"In terms of non EU visitors,we have a 5 tier system....effectively it is a points system....and anyone who is unskilled and without the means to support themselves will not be admitted. The stamp on the passport in relation to many of the qualifiers(such as short term students) says "Without recourse to Public funds" which also includes no access to free use of NHS.

So all of the 318,000 people who came here last year are highly skilled people with jobs waiting for them and none of them are going to visit a doctor or need to go to hospital??

No...they have to demonstrate that they have adequate medical cover before they are admitted.....simples!

Just remind me. Which government department are responsible for billing immigrants who have no medical insurance but have medical treament in hospital?"

We recovered over £38.7 million through the reciprocal arrangement scheme last year......just remind me how much of the NHS budget wasspent on non payers?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Access to this country should be based on the skills and experience that a person has, not on what passport they hold.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied


"Don't Australia have a massive illegal immigrant problem? I'm sure I've read about 'boat people' being a huge problem out there. "
as many people arrive illegally in Australia ..as arrive legally in the UK ..all the Australia system would do would turn a legal issue into an illegal issue ..

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Who in their right mind would vote to stay in a corrupt state that forces unlimited numbers of unskilled people to flood into our country?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Who in their right mind would vote to stay in a corrupt state that forces unlimited numbers of unskilled people to flood into our country?"

are they the 'unskilled' workers who are doing the jobs that many of 'our own' wont do..

and they don't force them people choose to move to better themselves, remember Tebbit and his get on your bike..?

in the 80's thousands of our own went to the continent to earn money to feed their families, if it was good enough then..

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied


"Who in their right mind would vote to stay in a corrupt state that forces unlimited numbers of unskilled people to flood into our country?

are they the 'unskilled' workers who are doing the jobs that many of 'our own' wont do..

and they don't force them people choose to move to better themselves, remember Tebbit and his get on your bike..?

in the 80's thousands of our own went to the continent to earn money to feed their families, if it was good enough then.."

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Without migration humanity would probably have never developed in the way that it has.

People have been emigrating for hundreds of years to improve their prospects and start new lives. They generally did so using money or valuables they had accumulated with a view to purchasing passage, tools and provisions and eventually land or somewhere to live at their destination.

If any of us on here decided to migrate we would probably spend months or years planning, saving, administration etc. before we made the decision because we know we would have to make our own life in our new country of choice.

Today, many migrants set out with nothing but clothes and the cost of a place on a boat (and usually a mobile, strangely) because they have been told that if only they can get to UK (obviously there are other countries that do this)by any means, they will be housed and fed for an indeterminate time

and possibly get lost in the system and never be found and deported.

This is what pisses ordinary people off in this country and needs to be addressed. It's not xenophobic or racist to resent this situation. Tbh we've got enough of our own home-grown parasites without importing thousands more every week.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Who in their right mind would vote to stay in a corrupt state that forces unlimited numbers of unskilled people to flood into our country?

are they the 'unskilled' workers who are doing the jobs that many of 'our own' wont do..

and they don't force them people choose to move to better themselves, remember Tebbit and his get on your bike..?

in the 80's thousands of our own went to the continent to earn money to feed their families, if it was good enough then.."

I think you will find that when it's British people going to another country to improve their lot, earn money or just to live we are actually not migrants but doing the people of the chosen country a huge favour.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Who in their right mind would vote to stay in a corrupt state that forces unlimited numbers of unskilled people to flood into our country?

are they the 'unskilled' workers who are doing the jobs that many of 'our own' wont do..

and they don't force them people choose to move to better themselves, remember Tebbit and his get on your bike..?

in the 80's thousands of our own went to the continent to earn money to feed their families, if it was good enough then..

I think you will find that when it's British people going to another country to improve their lot, earn money or just to live we are actually not migrants but doing the people of the chosen country a huge favour. "

i sit corrected..

the iam /we are better than 'them' because of being born here with its inbuilt tendency to look down on others without empathy concept seems to have slipped me by..

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Who in their right mind would vote to stay in a corrupt state that forces unlimited numbers of unskilled people to flood into our country?

are they the 'unskilled' workers who are doing the jobs that many of 'our own' wont do..

and they don't force them people choose to move to better themselves, remember Tebbit and his get on your bike..?

in the 80's thousands of our own went to the continent to earn money to feed their families, if it was good enough then..

I think you will find that when it's British people going to another country to improve their lot, earn money or just to live we are actually not migrants but doing the people of the chosen country a huge favour.

i sit corrected..

the iam /we are better than 'them' because of being born here with its inbuilt tendency to look down on others without empathy concept seems to have slipped me by..

"

I here by sentence you to watch reruns of Aufweidersehn Pet

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Who in their right mind would vote to stay in a corrupt state that forces unlimited numbers of unskilled people to flood into our country?

are they the 'unskilled' workers who are doing the jobs that many of 'our own' wont do..

and they don't force them people choose to move to better themselves, remember Tebbit and his get on your bike..?

in the 80's thousands of our own went to the continent to earn money to feed their families, if it was good enough then..

I think you will find that when it's British people going to another country to improve their lot, earn money or just to live we are actually not migrants but doing the people of the chosen country a huge favour.

i sit corrected..

the iam /we are better than 'them' because of being born here with its inbuilt tendency to look down on others without empathy concept seems to have slipped me by..

I here by sentence you to watch reruns of Aufweidersehn Pet "

great series but also with a bit of a lesson from recent history maybe..

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Who in their right mind would vote to stay in a corrupt state that forces unlimited numbers of unskilled people to flood into our country?

are they the 'unskilled' workers who are doing the jobs that many of 'our own' wont do..

and they don't force them people choose to move to better themselves, remember Tebbit and his get on your bike..?

in the 80's thousands of our own went to the continent to earn money to feed their families, if it was good enough then..

I think you will find that when it's British people going to another country to improve their lot, earn money or just to live we are actually not migrants but doing the people of the chosen country a huge favour. "

my favourite "what is the difference between and immigrant and an ex-pat?" conversation.........

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't Australia have a massive illegal immigrant problem? I'm sure I've read about 'boat people' being a huge problem out there. "

Australia's immigration system and the way they detain and hold those fleeing poor conditions/civil unrest seeking migrant and asylum status is in some areas illegal and violating various internationally upheld human rights.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Without migration humanity would probably have never developed in the way that it has.

People have been emigrating for hundreds of years to improve their prospects and start new lives. They generally did so using money or valuables they had accumulated with a view to purchasing passage, tools and provisions and eventually land or somewhere to live at their destination.

If any of us on here decided to migrate we would probably spend months or years planning, saving, administration etc. before we made the decision because we know we would have to make our own life in our new country of choice.

Today, many migrants set out with nothing but clothes and the cost of a place on a boat (and usually a mobile, strangely) because they have been told that if only they can get to UK (obviously there are other countries that do this)by any means, they will be housed and fed for an indeterminate time

and possibly get lost in the system and never be found and deported.

This is what pisses ordinary people off in this country and needs to be addressed. It's not xenophobic or racist to resent this situation. Tbh we've got enough of our own home-grown parasites without importing thousands more every week."

But very few could get lost in the system as when you register for housing entitlement and benefits in this country you basically have to put down every possible detail.

Also not being funny but if you are fleeing an area where there is civil war, civil unrest or just no chance of you being able to get a job to support yourself and others, you are most likely going to prioritise keeping hold of your mobile. You know, so you can learn where your family are if you get separated and so that you can communicate when you re-settle.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Without migration humanity would probably have never developed in the way that it has.

People have been emigrating for hundreds of years to improve their prospects and start new lives. They generally did so using money or valuables they had accumulated with a view to purchasing passage, tools and provisions and eventually land or somewhere to live at their destination.

If any of us on here decided to migrate we would probably spend months or years planning, saving, administration etc. before we made the decision because we know we would have to make our own life in our new country of choice.

Today, many migrants set out with nothing but clothes and the cost of a place on a boat (and usually a mobile, strangely) because they have been told that if only they can get to UK (obviously there are other countries that do this)by any means, they will be housed and fed for an indeterminate time

and possibly get lost in the system and never be found and deported.

This is what pisses ordinary people off in this country and needs to be addressed. It's not xenophobic or racist to resent this situation. Tbh we've got enough of our own home-grown parasites without importing thousands more every week."

What pisses this ordinary person off is other ordinary people assuming I share their views and speaking on my behalf.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 
 

By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago

sandwell


"In terms of non EU visitors,we have a 5 tier system....effectively it is a points system....and anyone who is unskilled and without the means to support themselves will not be admitted. "

Not all EU countries have the same citizenship requirements.

At a large local faith school close on 10% of year 7 pupils (11-12 year olds) are french speaking black african boys with dutch passports (or at least right to stay paperwork issued by the dutch)

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
Post new Message to Thread
back to top