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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I was, until recently, undecided on Brexit, however, the scaremongering of the remain campaign and the wild financial forecasting has now put me firmly in the leave camp.

Has either campaign made anyone here change their opinion on how they'll vote and why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Strange considering the independent panel gave the leave campagain the biggest chastising for lying about financials and they are no longer allowed to keep bending the truth about the £350 million per week claim they have made.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"Strange considering the independent panel gave the leave campagain the biggest chastising for lying about financials and they are no longer allowed to keep bending the truth about the £350 million per week claim they have made. "

Sponsored by the remain campaign "

Erm...no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

True. They did get it wrong. It's £367 million in section 9 paragraph 9 on some pink paper in the commons .

The remain campaign argument is based on what we get back after the rebate. Like Farage says. Give me £20 I give you £10 back and tell you you are better off. What would you say.

This is something the remain mob won't answer.

Hello, it's the Remain mob here. How are you today?

Now, what would be the point of us answering?. You wouldn't listen. The Brexit nutters never do (I'm not saying that you are one of course).

Every independent source says the figure is a complete fiction. Even Vote Leave leadership won't stand by it (Redwood last week admitted it was a fiction).

And what do you guys do. You admit it was a lie...and then make the lie even bigger....it's really £367 million!!!

Like Farage should have said 'Give me £20 I give you £10 back and you insist that you've just paid me £22 and I'd call you a liar"

'Laughing stock' doesn't do Vote Leave justice.

You have figures the government don't have ?

They probably did what you should have done and read both the treasury select committee and the ifs report which said that figure was extremely misleading and should not have been used"

Misleading . There's your answer. What they mean is misleading by making people think we pay out £350 and get none back. Very true.

What the remain people are doing is misleading lying to people that we don't pay in that much. In fact on question time lately they said for every £1 we put in we get £10 back. Now if that ain't misleading I don't know what is.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

I think you mean like the traditional British value of a sense of fair Play "

So hard to read that without thinking of Jonny Aitkin and his sword of justice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think both sides in this referendum have been a bit imaginative with the truth to be honest although some of the more dire wornings about voteing to leave causing world war three i find infuriating ( how can anyone fall for that ) , i have pretty much decided to vote leave but if i was voteing to stay id be very worried about all the new laws and policies that the eu are keeping on hold until after we have all voted just in case it makes more people to vote leave

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"Sunday morning debate was soon defused by how much GDP immigrants produce and the fact that they rely less on NHS resources than we do. Where I live all the local industry relies on contracts to European railway and airlines. I could see 25% unemployment in my city within years if we leave. They are stealing our jobs? Unemployment is at an all time low. There are arguments on both sides for sure but the leave ones are scare mongering by the red top press. I would like to see you all queuing for visa's for your next holiday to spain/greece etc... I'm in no?"

There'll be no queuing for visas... I've been many places abroad that require a tourist visa, including USA, central America, Caribbean, Australia, and parts of Africa.... visas are applied for on line or by sending your passport off, it takes no time at all... and, apart from USA, I've never had to queue when entering the country. The new bio passport readers take longer!

I remember going abroad when I was a kid, before we joined the Common Market... no problems.

I have a passport of my father's from the early 60's... he was going to Europe every couple of months!

As for 25% job losses due to European rail and airlines? People will still travel! That's like saying there'll be no lights and power because all the utilities companies are foreign owned!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I decided long ago what was best for UK, and have already voted accordingly.

Neither campaign has been good;

But if I had not already known for myself, the BREXIT campaign would have decided me for staying;

The utter lies and invented and "enhanced" so- called " facts", the playing on British racist and xenophobic traits,

Calling the remain camp " project fear" when the leave campaign has majored in fear ( and hatred of) foreigners;

Claiming the we have lost our sovereignty, and that leaving will get it back,,

Stating (incorrectly) that all our laws are made in Brussels,

Deliberately confusing the European Court with EU law, and stating that it will have no power should UK leave ( leaving the EU will not affect the UK's ned to obey international law).

The list us endless .

It's also fascinating the number of obscene and hate filled private messages that I have received from those who support the leave campaign .....you was pretty abuse towards the uk in another thread , so its no wonder you got so many , do not expect sympathy here "
.................Agree...yesterday they were troll's...today they are nutter's...so who's doing the insulting.

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By *uriousTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

Will porn be cheaper or dearer if we are out?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The whole thing is pretty indicative of the country as a whole in that we are a divided nation - maybe we should split the country in half and one lot can stick with the EU while the rest stay out.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

I remember going abroad when I was a kid, before we joined the Common Market... no problems.

I have a passport of my father's from the early 60's... he was going to Europe every couple of months!

As for 25% job losses due to European rail and airlines? People will still travel! That's like saying there'll be no lights and power because all the utilities companies are foreign owned!"

I got a 3 month entry permit to the US last year, all online, just put in passport number and details, was approved in 24hrs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about the stupid green bird. Said on Andrew Neil show that leave will cause 100,000 divorces in London.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about the stupid green bird. Said on Andrew Neil show that leave will cause 100,000 divorces in London. "

....the one off Sesame Street ?

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"Will porn be cheaper or dearer if we are out?!

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all porn will be banned ..all swinging sites and clubs will be closed dildos vibrators and wands will be outlawed if we leave the EU lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Need to get out as soon as possible imo. Mass immigration and open boarders are going to become a huge problem, especially when turkey joins.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I decided long ago what was best for UK, and have already voted accordingly.

Neither campaign has been good;

But if I had not already known for myself, the BREXIT campaign would have decided me for staying;

The utter lies and invented and "enhanced" so- called " facts", the playing on British racist and xenophobic traits,

Calling the remain camp " project fear" when the leave campaign has majored in fear ( and hatred of) foreigners;

Claiming the we have lost our sovereignty, and that leaving will get it back,,

Stating (incorrectly) that all our laws are made in Brussels,

Deliberately confusing the European Court with EU law, and stating that it will have no power should UK leave ( leaving the EU will not affect the UK's ned to obey international law).

The list us endless .

It's also fascinating the number of obscene and hate filled private messages that I have received from those who support the leave campaign ."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it ironic to say the least that the Scots Nats want to stay in yet come out of the Uk !

I really don't get that ?

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Think"
so you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like a United Europe, but I'm thinking out. Just to make things more interesting!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I find it ironic to say the least that the Scots Nats want to stay in yet come out of the Uk !

I really don't get that ?"

Jim Sillars who is a former deputy leader of the SNP is campaigning for Britain to leave the EU. He said in a speech for the Scot.Leave campaign in Orkney the other week that there is a glaring contradiction from the SNP official party line of rejecting a union of 60 million people in the UK only to embrace a union of 500 million people in the EU.

Www.heraldscotland.com/politics/14506653.Jim_Sillars_SNP_are_living_in_parallel_universe_by_campaigning_to_remain_in_EU/

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I like a United Europe, but I'm thinking out. Just to make things more interesting!

By all means let's be friends with Europe and trade with Europe but we should do it outside of this corrupt and undemocratic bureaucracy called the EU.

Europe and the EU are 2 different things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Thinkso you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!"

What? Yes I can. Did you read it wrong? It is the EU who want to destroy those differences and create one people one state instead of celebrating diversity!

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Thinkso you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!

What? Yes I can. Did you read it wrong? It is the EU who want to destroy those differences and create one people one state instead of celebrating diversity!"
your post is as usual total bollocks... no way is the EU destroying the differences between member nations but it does embrace diversity within a nation ..unlike the brexiters ..the main fear of brexiters is immigration due to racism they are just not as honest to admit it now as they were several months ago ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Thinkso you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!

What? Yes I can. Did you read it wrong? It is the EU who want to destroy those differences and create one people one state instead of celebrating diversity!your post is as usual total bollocks... no way is the EU destroying the differences between member nations but it does embrace diversity within a nation ..unlike the brexiters ..the main fear of brexiters is immigration due to racism they are just not as honest to admit it now as they were several months ago ... "

The fear of unrestricted immigration is nothing to do with racism.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Thinkso you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!

The fear of unrestricted immigration is nothing to do with racism.

Do you know how many student doctors and nurses from outside the EU were turned down by the Uk last year? Due to the number of unskilled EU migrants arriving in the UK and an attempt to keep immigration figures down? Is that not more racist when a person is selected on nationality over ability?"
the nhs requires serious reform not throwing more nurses or doctors into it..and there are many UK trained nurses coming through the UK trained network .the UK has since before the 1800'required unskilled migrants it was the Irish navi's building the canals then it was our colored brothers for the transport system in the 1900's now in the naughties its eastern europens for all mannered of unskilled and semi skilled jobs .. Dont try to preach NHS that's my wife's previous occupation and it wastes 10's of millions of taxpayer money each month !!!!!!!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Thinkso you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!

The fear of unrestricted immigration is nothing to do with racism.

Totally agree.

It is precisely because of our membership of the EU we have an EU immigration policy which makes us discriminate against immigrants from outside of the EU, and we give unfair advantage to anyone with an EU passport. Also when the official government immigration figures were released last week it showed 77,000 people came here to the UK from the EU without a job last year. There was a Question from a member of the audience on BBC Question Time a couple of weeks ago on Thursday 19th May, asking "Is it racist to want to leave the EU?".

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Thinkso you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!

The fear of unrestricted immigration is nothing to do with racism.

Totally agree.

The whole panel on Question Time were in complete agreement when each of them said it is NOT racist to want to leave the EU. The BBC Question Time panel consisted of Yvette Cooper Labour MP, Amber Rudd Conservative MP, Leader of the Lib dems Tim Farron, deputy leader of UKIP Paul Nuttall and non politician Paul Mason. Anyone can watch it on BBC iplayer if they missed it. For Remainers on here to now start playing the race card really just shows how rattled and desperate they are becoming now, with the polls narrowing neck and neck again in the last week. "
year again you totally miss the point its the reason for leaving that is one of racism not the action of actually leaving ..looking at the number of EU citizens who arrive in the UK without work pales into insignificance when you look at the number ok UK citizens who arrive all over the EU without work ..a large number of whom appear in Germany and France to claim benefits ..not rattled you have only to do an internet search on ukip to find the many faces of racism within that party .....

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I find it ironic to say the least that the Scots Nats want to stay in yet come out of the Uk !

I really don't get that ?"

Fair play to him then

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

" year again you totally miss the point its the reason for leaving that is one of racism not the action of actually leaving ..looking at the number of EU citizens who arrive in the UK without work pales into insignificance when you look at the number ok UK citizens who arrive all over the EU without work ..a large number of whom appear in Germany and France to claim benefits ..not rattled you have only to do an internet search on ukip to find the many faces of racism within that party .....

Just because some people want to leave because of xenophobia and racist inclinations, does not by any stretch, mean that it is the prevalent reason that all brexiteers want to leave.

To suggest it is, is just blatant mud slinging, and a weak argument.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I find it ironic to say the least that the Scots Nats want to stay in yet come out of the Uk !

I really don't get that ?

Www.heraldscotland.com/politics/14506653.Jim_Sillars_SNP_are_living_in_parallel_universe_by_campaigning_to_remain_in_EU/"

Fair play to him then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I say out. To many eec laws and ruels

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Thinkso you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!

Do you understand what racism is?

And Brexit has no issues with immigration, they just want immigration to be controlled.... and equal opportunities for all people to immigrate to the UK, irrelevant if where they come from, or what colour they are.... but in line with the skills and numbers that we need in the country.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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Just because some people want to leave because of xenophobia and racist inclinations, does not by any stretch, mean that it is the prevalent reason that all brexiteers want to leave.

To suggest it is, is just blatant mud slinging, and a weak argument.

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the mud stuck a while ago with the racist card and no believable reason to leave has washed it off yet !!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not changed my views on staying in the EU, I was in favour of that before they started yelling.

But it has further reduced my respect for all the lead campaigners on both sides.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

Just because some people want to leave because of xenophobia and racist inclinations, does not by any stretch, mean that it is the prevalent reason that all brexiteers want to leave.

To suggest it is, is just blatant mud slinging, and a weak argument.

the mud stuck a while ago with the racist card and no believable reason to leave has washed it off yet !!!!!"

In your opinion - but not in mine, nor in that of countless thousands of others.

Don't presume to project your narrow minded bigotry on to others

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Thinkso you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!

Do you understand what racism is?

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and in the UK for the last 200 years or so it has been unskilled/ semi skilled immigrants needed in their numbers take the Irish navi's for canal building the colored brothers for transport and eastern Europeans for the many unskilled / semiskilled work they do now ..immigration /migration is not just for the rich well educated or privileged of any nation .....

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Thinkso you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!

The fear of unrestricted immigration is nothing to do with racism.

Totally agree.

The whole panel on Question Time were in complete agreement when each of them said it is NOT racist to want to leave the EU. The BBC Question Time panel consisted of Yvette Cooper Labour MP, Amber Rudd Conservative MP, Leader of the Lib dems Tim Farron, deputy leader of UKIP Paul Nuttall and non politician Paul Mason. Anyone can watch it on BBC iplayer if they missed it. For Remainers on here to now start playing the race card really just shows how rattled and desperate they are becoming now, with the polls narrowing neck and neck again in the last week. year again you totally miss the point its the reason for leaving that is one of racism not the action of actually leaving ..looking at the number of EU citizens who arrive in the UK without work pales into insignificance when you look at the number ok UK citizens who arrive all over the EU without work ..a large number of whom appear in Germany and France to claim benefits ..not rattled you have only to do an internet search on ukip to find the many faces of racism within that party .....

Just done an Internet search...

In 2013 there were 133,000 EU nationals claiming benefits in the UK. There were 30,000 British people claiming benefits in the EU.

Many people that go abroad from UK to EU go to retire, and get there pensions sent over from the UK.

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By *rumalexMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

i'm undecided but starting to lean towards out. when i think about it sensibly (in my opinion) trade will go on with Europe in some form if they put a tariff on our goods we put one on theirs makes their stuff more expensive than ours to buy here, visa to go abroad? i rarely holiday in Europe anyway so thats a minor problem. But the one thing that sticks in my ,memory is cameron stating at the start that if he doesn't get his way in his negotiation he would campaign to vote out and the UK would do just fine out of the EU so was he lying then or is he lying now.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Thinkso you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!

The fear of unrestricted immigration is nothing to do with racism.

Totally agree.

The whole panel on Question Time were in complete agreement when each of them said it is NOT racist to want to leave the EU. The BBC Question Time panel consisted of Yvette Cooper Labour MP, Amber Rudd Conservative MP, Leader of the Lib dems Tim Farron, deputy leader of UKIP Paul Nuttall and non politician Paul Mason. Anyone can watch it on BBC iplayer if they missed it. For Remainers on here to now start playing the race card really just shows how rattled and desperate they are becoming now, with the polls narrowing neck and neck again in the last week. year again you totally miss the point its the reason for leaving that is one of racism not the action of actually leaving ..looking at the number of EU citizens who arrive in the UK without work pales into insignificance when you look at the number ok UK citizens who arrive all over the EU without work ..a large number of whom appear in Germany and France to claim benefits ..not rattled you have only to do an internet search on ukip to find the many faces of racism within that party .....

Just done an Internet search...

In 2013 there were 133,000 EU nationals claiming benefits in the UK. There were 30,000 British people claiming benefits in the EU.

Many people that go abroad from UK to EU go to retire, and get there pensions sent over from the UK."
perhaps you could post links for those numbers as they are wildly different to the numbers I find .there were nearly that number of UK citizens in German alone claiming benefit ?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Thinkso you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!

The fear of unrestricted immigration is nothing to do with racism.

Totally agree.

The whole panel on Question Time were in complete agreement when each of them said it is NOT racist to want to leave the EU. The BBC Question Time panel consisted of Yvette Cooper Labour MP, Amber Rudd Conservative MP, Leader of the Lib dems Tim Farron, deputy leader of UKIP Paul Nuttall and non politician Paul Mason. Anyone can watch it on BBC iplayer if they missed it. For Remainers on here to now start playing the race card really just shows how rattled and desperate they are becoming now, with the polls narrowing neck and neck again in the last week. year again you totally miss the point its the reason for leaving that is one of racism not the action of actually leaving ..looking at the number of EU citizens who arrive in the UK without work pales into insignificance when you look at the number ok UK citizens who arrive all over the EU without work ..a large number of whom appear in Germany and France to claim benefits ..not rattled you have only to do an internet search on ukip to find the many faces of racism within that party .....

I want out... are you calling me a racist?

I have some good friends who are Asian, and they are going to vote out.... are they racist? (they also voted UKIP in the General Election, btw).

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Thinkso you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!

Do you understand what racism is?

and in the UK for the last 200 years or so it has been unskilled/ semi skilled immigrants needed in their numbers take the Irish navi's for canal building the colored brothers for transport and eastern Europeans for the many unskilled / semiskilled work they do now ..immigration /migration is not just for the rich well educated or privileged of any nation ....."

The point has already been answered but you seem deaf to it. If we leave the EU we will still need a certain level of immigration that we can control (like an Australian style points based system). Its the current uncontrolled chaos of free movement of people which the EU has forced onto us which everyone on the Leave side objects to. It puts too much strain on Housing, Hospitals, GP surgeries, schools, and other public services and its why we need to Leave on June 23rd.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Thinkso you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!

The fear of unrestricted immigration is nothing to do with racism.

Totally agree.

The whole panel on Question Time were in complete agreement when each of them said it is NOT racist to want to leave the EU. The BBC Question Time panel consisted of Yvette Cooper Labour MP, Amber Rudd Conservative MP, Leader of the Lib dems Tim Farron, deputy leader of UKIP Paul Nuttall and non politician Paul Mason. Anyone can watch it on BBC iplayer if they missed it. For Remainers on here to now start playing the race card really just shows how rattled and desperate they are becoming now, with the polls narrowing neck and neck again in the last week. year again you totally miss the point its the reason for leaving that is one of racism not the action of actually leaving ..looking at the number of EU citizens who arrive in the UK without work pales into insignificance when you look at the number ok UK citizens who arrive all over the EU without work ..a large number of whom appear in Germany and France to claim benefits ..not rattled you have only to do an internet search on ukip to find the many faces of racism within that party .....

Just done an Internet search...

In 2013 there were 133,000 EU nationals claiming benefits in the UK. There were 30,000 British people claiming benefits in the EU.

Many people that go abroad from UK to EU go to retire, and get there pensions sent over from the UK.perhaps you could post links for those numbers as they are wildly different to the numbers I find .there were nearly that number of UK citizens in German alone claiming benefit ? "

Nice try to get someone a forum ban but it won't work. Only links allowed are the links set within the forum rules.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Thinkso you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!

The fear of unrestricted immigration is nothing to do with racism.

Totally agree.

The whole panel on Question Time were in complete agreement when each of them said it is NOT racist to want to leave the EU. The BBC Question Time panel consisted of Yvette Cooper Labour MP, Amber Rudd Conservative MP, Leader of the Lib dems Tim Farron, deputy leader of UKIP Paul Nuttall and non politician Paul Mason. Anyone can watch it on BBC iplayer if they missed it. For Remainers on here to now start playing the race card really just shows how rattled and desperate they are becoming now, with the polls narrowing neck and neck again in the last week. year again you totally miss the point its the reason for leaving that is one of racism not the action of actually leaving ..looking at the number of EU citizens who arrive in the UK without work pales into insignificance when you look at the number ok UK citizens who arrive all over the EU without work ..a large number of whom appear in Germany and France to claim benefits ..not rattled you have only to do an internet search on ukip to find the many faces of racism within that party .....

I want out... are you calling me a racist?

I have some good friends who are Asian, and they are going to vote out.... are they racist? (they also voted UKIP in the General Election, btw)."
any race of people can be racist open your eyes to what ukip are about they may have watered their racism down for the benefit of a referendum .just search the many ramblings of their leader and you will find many examples racism sexism and homophobia .. I to have heard talk from some polish immigrants saying they would be against Albanians entering ..so racism from the polish yes ..al nations harbour racism and the UK are allowing ukip to become the acceptable face of it and the referendum is stirring up its fair share of it ...

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"i'm undecided but starting to lean towards out. when i think about it sensibly (in my opinion) trade will go on with Europe in some form if they put a tariff on our goods we put one on theirs makes their stuff more expensive than ours to buy here, visa to go abroad? i rarely holiday in Europe anyway so thats a minor problem. But the one thing that sticks in my ,memory is cameron stating at the start that if he doesn't get his way in his negotiation he would campaign to vote out and the UK would do just fine out of the EU so was he lying then or is he lying now."

Thats true, Cameron also said back in February just after he signed his (non)renegotiation deal, that he believed Britain would succeed whatever it decides in this referendum.

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By *eliz NelsonMan
over a year ago

The Tantric Tea Shop

"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Thinkso you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!

The fear of unrestricted immigration is nothing to do with racism.

Do you know how many student doctors and nurses from outside the EU were turned down by the Uk last year? Due to the number of unskilled EU migrants arriving in the UK and an attempt to keep immigration figures down? Is that not more racist when a person is selected on nationality over ability?the nhs requires serious reform not throwing more nurses or doctors into it..and there are many UK trained nurses coming through the UK trained network .the UK has since before the 1800'required unskilled migrants it was the Irish navi's building the canals then it was our colored brothers for the transport system in the 1900's now in the naughties its eastern europens for all mannered of unskilled and semi skilled jobs .. Dont try to preach NHS that's my wife's previous occupation and it wastes 10's of millions of taxpayer money each month !!!!!!!"

Erm! Actually less nurses being trained now!and a significantly higher drop out rate during training

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

IFF say the net contribution is £150m per week. This is just over 1% of our GDP. So exiting saves us 1% of our GDP, but it brings us so much more than an increase of 1% of risk.

As we all seem to love betting, the bet does not make sense the odds of exit being better than staying in are way worse than Leicester winning the Premiership!

So let's stay in.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied

Thats true, Cameron also said back in February just after he signed his (non)renegotiation deal, that he believed Britain would succeed whatever it decides in this referendum. "
ah so now you believe Cameron ??? Wasn't many posts ago you were proclaiming him a liar ..

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Thats true, Cameron also said back in February just after he signed his (non)renegotiation deal, that he believed Britain would succeed whatever it decides in this referendum. ah so now you believe Cameron ??? Wasn't many posts ago you were proclaiming him a liar .."

I never said anywhere i believed him. I simply quoted what he said last February. Why did he say last February Britain would succeed what ever it decides, now he is predicting economic meltdown if we Leave the EU. He has lost all credibility.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"IFF say the net contribution is £150m per week. This is just over 1% of our GDP. So exiting saves us 1% of our GDP, but it brings us so much more than an increase of 1% of risk.

As we all seem to love betting, the bet does not make sense the odds of exit being better than staying in are way worse than Leicester winning the Premiership!

So let's stay in. "

It is strange how Brexiter's ignore me when the facts stand up for themselves... Hmmm

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"IFF say the net contribution is £150m per week. This is just over 1% of our GDP. So exiting saves us 1% of our GDP, but it brings us so much more than an increase of 1% of risk.

As we all seem to love betting, the bet does not make sense the odds of exit being better than staying in are way worse than Leicester winning the Premiership!

So let's stay in.

It is strange how Brexiter's ignore me when the facts stand up for themselves... Hmmm"

Frankly, it wasn't worth replying to.

The figures are wrong, and a % of GDP is not the same as a % of Government revenues (which is where our payments come from), and, it's nothing to do with betting.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied

"IFF say the net contribution is £150m per week. This is just over 1% of our GDP. So exiting saves us 1% of our GDP, but it brings us so much more than an increase of 1% of risk.

As we all seem to love betting, the bet does not make sense the odds of exit being better than staying in are way worse than Leicester winning the Premiership!

So let's stay in.

It is strange how Brexiter's ignore me when the facts stand up for themselves... Hmmm"
that's. Because they dint like facts and figures that support remain ..

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Prove I'm wrong...

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over a year ago

"IFF say the net contribution is £150m per week. This is just over 1% of our GDP. So exiting saves us 1% of our GDP, but it brings us so much more than an increase of 1% of risk.

As we all seem to love betting, the bet does not make sense the odds of exit being better than staying in are way worse than Leicester winning the Premiership!

So let's stay in.

It is strange how Brexiter's ignore me when the facts stand up for themselves... Hmmm"

Imagine £150 million a week extra. I bet every government department would love that in their budget

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"IFF say the net contribution is £150m per week. This is just over 1% of our GDP. So exiting saves us 1% of our GDP, but it brings us so much more than an increase of 1% of risk.

As we all seem to love betting, the bet does not make sense the odds of exit being better than staying in are way worse than Leicester winning the Premiership!

So let's stay in.

It is strange how Brexiter's ignore me when the facts stand up for themselves... Hmmm

Imagine £150 million a week extra. I bet every government department would love that in their budget"

So we agree £350m is a complete lie then....

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over a year ago

"IFF say the net contribution is £150m per week. This is just over 1% of our GDP. So exiting saves us 1% of our GDP, but it brings us so much more than an increase of 1% of risk.

As we all seem to love betting, the bet does not make sense the odds of exit being better than staying in are way worse than Leicester winning the Premiership!

So let's stay in.

It is strange how Brexiter's ignore me when the facts stand up for themselves... Hmmm

Imagine £150 million a week extra. I bet every government department would love that in their budget

So we agree £350m is a complete lie then...."

yes its 367m

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"IFF say the net contribution is £150m per week. This is just over 1% of our GDP. So exiting saves us 1% of our GDP, but it brings us so much more than an increase of 1% of risk.

As we all seem to love betting, the bet does not make sense the odds of exit being better than staying in are way worse than Leicester winning the Premiership!

So let's stay in.

It is strange how Brexiter's ignore me when the facts stand up for themselves... Hmmm

Imagine £150 million a week extra. I bet every government department would love that in their budget

So we agree £350m is a complete lie then....

yes its 367m"

Not according to the IFF, so still a lie

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

For me, it has nothing to do with the money, or immigration or trade, though those things are important issues.

The EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Unelected Commissioners, who cannot be replace by the (european) electorate, decide the political agenda.

The Commissioners and a large proportion of the Council members and MEPs are openly federalist.

The stated endgame for the EU is a federal republic of Europe, run by an unelected elite, with one legislature, one tax regime, one currency, one army, one police force.

Forget our special opt outs, these can and will be withdrawn. All we can do is delay the inevitable.

As the EU expands, what little say we have now (pitifully small as it is), will become further diluted.

I love Europe (and most of the rest of the world), but don't want to live in a United states of Europe.

I couldn't give a fuck about which politician says what about whatever, I've made my choice based on a study of how the EU is organised, it's electoral college and it's stated objectives.

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over a year ago

"IFF say the net contribution is £150m per week. This is just over 1% of our GDP. So exiting saves us 1% of our GDP, but it brings us so much more than an increase of 1% of risk.

As we all seem to love betting, the bet does not make sense the odds of exit being better than staying in are way worse than Leicester winning the Premiership!

So let's stay in.

It is strange how Brexiter's ignore me when the facts stand up for themselves... Hmmm

Imagine £150 million a week extra. I bet every government department would love that in their budget

So we agree £350m is a complete lie then....

yes its 367m

Not according to the IFF, so still a lie"

is that the I'm Fucked Foundation, or do you mean the IFS? Because they are the ones who came up with 367 in the first place

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i don't think you really wanting to use the student doctors and nurses to help your cases, because the answer is actually zero ( and we actually import nurses and doctors in from the EU because the UK does not train enough staff of its own...... and the docs and nurses who are leaving the UK aren't going to other EU countries.... they are going to the US, to Canada, to Australia and to New Zealand)

the nurses problem could in fact about to be magnified... because they will have the same issue is in in teaching, where for a non-EU resident to get a work permit to work here under the new rules.... they must be in an area of need (tick!) and wages must be at least 35K....oh dear!!!

so they use the same rules for EU and non EU alike... you could end up losing a lot of staff......

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

It would be good if all the lies stopped though. We don't pay a huge amount to the EU. Many jobs are dependent on the EU and many opportunities exist because of it.

I'd like to manage our relationship with the EU better. Yes many beautocrats are unelected I. The EU, but so are many in the UK. Blaming them is at best false. Let's embrace Europe and do the job properly.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"It would be good if all the lies stopped though. We don't pay a huge amount to the EU. Many jobs are dependent on the EU and many opportunities exist because of it.

The difference is that in a parliamentary democracy, the bureaucrats are appointed by elected representatives to implement policy.

In the EU, the unelected Commissioners decide what it is that can be debated by the MEPs.

It's arse about face - and we can do nothing to change it - we've tried for 40 years to effect change from within, and apart from Thatch (hate her though I did) getting us a decent rebate, we've achieved nothing by way of reform.

Gorbachev said that he couldn't understand why the EU was hell bent on creating an organisation the same as the one he was trying to dismantle.

Try reading the treaty of Lisbon to see what being in the EU commits us to. Ok, it's nearly 300 pages long, so at least take a look at some decent analyses of it.

If we end up staying in, then I'll be winding up my affairs here and emigrating to Canada - I'm not far off retirement anyway.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"IFF say the net contribution is £150m per week. This is just over 1% of our GDP. So exiting saves us 1% of our GDP, but it brings us so much more than an increase of 1% of risk.

As we all seem to love betting, the bet does not make sense the odds of exit being better than staying in are way worse than Leicester winning the Premiership!

So let's stay in.

It is strange how Brexiter's ignore me when the facts stand up for themselves... Hmmm

Imagine £150 million a week extra. I bet every government department would love that in their budget

So we agree £350m is a complete lie then....

yes its 367m

Not according to the IFF, so still a lie

is that the I'm Fucked Foundation, or do you mean the IFS? Because they are the ones who came up with 367 in the first place"

and that is still not correct as both the IFS have said, and the cross parrt treasury select committee said, because the assumption of that is that nothing is coming up....

the truth is... for even 350 million we give.... about 250 million of it comes back.....

be that in farming/fishing subsudies, or infrustrure projects like the european regional development fund....(for example... you live in crewe..... next time you fly out of manchester international.... or liverpool john lennon..... thank the EU fund for helping develop those....

or the european social fund for example....

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

We spend £100 billion a year on EU regulations already - Better Regulation Commission.

The EU forces us to spend £210 billion a year according the the Cabinet Office on 8,500 quangos.

£100 +210 billion = 310 billion (20% of our GDP) wasted annually on the EU, which makes our EU contribution look irrelevant.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"We spend £100 billion a year on EU regulations already - Better Regulation Commission.

The EU forces us to spend £210 billion a year according the the Cabinet Office on 8,500 quangos.

£100 +210 billion = 310 billion (20% of our GDP) wasted annually on the EU, which makes our EU contribution look irrelevant."

That is a fact is it...?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"We spend £100 billion a year on EU regulations already - Better Regulation Commission.

The EU forces us to spend £210 billion a year according the the Cabinet Office on 8,500 quangos.

£100 +210 billion = 310 billion (20% of our GDP) wasted annually on the EU, which makes our EU contribution look irrelevant."

100 billion.... i do wonder where people pluck these imaginary figures out from....

because according to the EU and the Uk government.... the ACTUAL contribution the UK made to the EU budget was 12.9 billion pounds....

but i wouldn't like facts to get in the way of your claims.....

heck... would you like to go higher!!!!

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

sources quoted - can't post links or will get ban - google is your friend (other search engines are available, including those that pay UK taxes)

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

But as I posted above, for me it's not about the money, I don't want to live in the EUSR, presided over by an unelected, non-removable elite

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"sources quoted - can't post links or will get ban - google is your friend (other search engines are available, including those that pay UK taxes)"

see.... thats now BS because as long as it comes from a credible source.... you are allowed to post....

I used the most brexit type place i could find for mine... is the daily telegraph "out" leaning enough for you?????

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12176663/EU-Facts-how-much-does-Britain-pay-to-the-EU-budget.html

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By *eliz NelsonMan
over a year ago

The Tantric Tea Shop

"We spend £100 billion a year on EU regulations already - Better Regulation Commission.

The EU forces us to spend £210 billion a year according the the Cabinet Office on 8,500 quangos.

£100 +210 billion = 310 billion (20% of our GDP) wasted annually on the EU, which makes our EU contribution look irrelevant.

100 billion.... i do wonder where people pluck these imaginary figures out from....

because according to the EU and the Uk government.... the ACTUAL contribution the UK made to the EU budget was 12.9 billion pounds....

but i wouldn't like facts to get in the way of your claims.....

heck... would you like to go higher!!!!

I agree with your comments on the fasifying of figures Fabio....

But my main concerns are.

1) The issue that the UK public will have only been given a matter of months to make a 'monumental' decision! This should have been a nine month process at least!

2) The question of human rights, if we leave, which way will we go 'The rights of the individual' or ''the rights of society.'

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over a year ago

When I filled in my postal vote, I didn't see an option for voting for a reformed EU? It was simply remain in the EU or leave the EU. Reform isn't going to happen without something happening to shock the current system. Maybe leaving will help with reforming it? Because a vote to stay is a vote for the status quo x

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

My mind was made up years ago when I studied the workings and set up of the EU.

Regardless of the scaremongering and what will or won't happen, it's not a good place for England to be.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"sources quoted - can't post links or will get ban - google is your friend (other search engines are available, including those that pay UK taxes)

see.... thats now BS because as long as it comes from a credible source.... you are allowed to post....

I used the most brexit type place i could find for mine... is the daily telegraph "out" leaning enough for you?????

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12176663/EU-Facts-how-much-does-Britain-pay-to-the-EU-budget.html"

You need to read the forum rules Fabio, you can't just post any link you like. I've quoted official government website links before which you may call credible and received a forum ban for it. The only links allowed within the forum rules are links to YouTube, Wikipedia, and well known news sites.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"IFF say the net contribution is £150m per week. This is just over 1% of our GDP. So exiting saves us 1% of our GDP, but it brings us so much more than an increase of 1% of risk.

As we all seem to love betting, the bet does not make sense the odds of exit being better than staying in are way worse than Leicester winning the Premiership!

So let's stay in.

It is strange how Brexiter's ignore me when the facts stand up for themselves... Hmmm

Imagine £150 million a week extra. I bet every government department would love that in their budget

So we agree £350m is a complete lie then....

yes its 367m

Not according to the IFF, so still a lie

is that the I'm Fucked Foundation, or do you mean the IFS? Because they are the ones who came up with 367 in the first place

and that is still not correct as both the IFS have said, and the cross parrt treasury select committee said, because the assumption of that is that nothing is coming up....

the truth is... for even 350 million we give.... about 250 million of it comes back.....

or the european social fund for example....

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"No thanks I'd rather a British elected government directly elected by the British public spend that money how we decide, and if we don't like how the government spends it we can kick them out at the next general election. That is real democratic accountability which is non existent in the EU. "

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

So we are back to the strong likelihood of an out vote is a recession followed by Unknown vs no recession followed by Unknown. If I were a betting person I'd go for no recession and Unknown, but actually try to change the Unknown to manage it more in my favour.

I just don't get putting people through a load of pain for a romantic dream.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"IFF say the net contribution is £150m per week. This is just over 1% of our GDP. So exiting saves us 1% of our GDP, but it brings us so much more than an increase of 1% of risk.

As we all seem to love betting, the bet does not make sense the odds of exit being better than staying in are way worse than Leicester winning the Premiership!

So let's stay in.

It is strange how Brexiter's ignore me when the facts stand up for themselves... Hmmm

Imagine £150 million a week extra. I bet every government department would love that in their budget

So we agree £350m is a complete lie then....

yes its 367m

Not according to the IFF, so still a lie

is that the I'm Fucked Foundation, or do you mean the IFS? Because they are the ones who came up with 367 in the first place

and that is still not correct as both the IFS have said, and the cross parrt treasury select committee said, because the assumption of that is that nothing is coming up....

the truth is... for even 350 million we give.... about 250 million of it comes back.....

or the european social fund for example....

So you are saying we do give £350 million per week to the EU, then they give us some of our own money back (the rebate) and they tell us how to spend our own money. No thanks I'd rather a British elected government directly elected by the British public spend that money how we decide, and if we don't like how the government spends it we can kick them out at the next general election. That is real democratic accountability which is non existent in the EU. "
lets have a look house of lords mmm undemocratic .. first past the post voting system undemocratic many voters believe the british government for decades havnt invested in uk plc ....only the Europeans with our money you lot are dafter than your posts spear if you believe any British will invest in the UK as the EU does...

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"I just don't get putting people through a load of pain for a romantic dream. "

You're not married then?

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over a year ago

Don't care what either side say, will be voting to leave for one simple reason: legitimate democratic representation requires true national sovereignty, it's as simple as that.

Seems that both sides have forgotten this essential issue.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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the problem for decades is the British government hasn't invested in the UK nor will they... just more tax saving for the rich only the EU will spend your money in your country not any British government .....

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over a year ago

Don't care what either side say, will be voting to leave for one simple reason: legitimate democratic representation requires true national sovereignty, it's as simple as that.

Seems that both sides have forgotten this essential issue.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

I think we should stop all these foreigners coming in, starting with the Romans then the Angles then the Vikings then the Saxons then the Normans then the Jews then the

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Don't care what either side say, will be voting to leave for one simple reason: legitimate democratic representation requires true national sovereignty, it's as simple as that.

Seems that both sides have forgotten this essential issue. "

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over a year ago

dissatisfied

"Don't care what either side say, will be voting to leave for one simple reason: legitimate democratic representation requires true national sovereignty, it's as simple as that.

Seems that both sides have forgotten this essential issue. "
ah the principles over profit theory ...lets all sit in recession with our sovereignty .. That will fill our bellies and pay our bills ...and we will cowtail to the rest of the world in order to trade with them and before you say it that's export to them on fair trade terms unlike our china deals at the moment

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

so independence for wales within days of vote leave having a majority?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

I want out... are you calling me a racist?

I have some good friends who are Asian,"

In isolation, and as the opening to any comment, that never reads so well does it

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Before the EU it was shit, the last 40 years have shown incredible prosperity for the UK. Yes, we cock up occasionally, but the UK has grown so much as part of the EU, let's make this continue and make it even greater by actively running the EU?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don't care what either side say, will be voting to leave for one simple reason: legitimate democratic representation requires true national sovereignty, it's as simple as that.

Seems that both sides have forgotten this essential issue. ah the principles over profit theory ...lets all sit in recession with our sovereignty .. That will fill our bellies and pay our bills ...and we will cowtail to the rest of the world in order to trade with them and before you say it that's export to them on fair trade terms unlike our china deals at the moment "

We are the 5th largest economy in the world, please be realistic in your analysis of our future trade prospects either in or out of the EU.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"Don't care what either side say, will be voting to leave for one simple reason: legitimate democratic representation requires true national sovereignty, it's as simple as that.

Seems that both sides have forgotten this essential issue.

That is one of the essential issues at the heart of it and the ability to govern ourselves. If the Remain side think they can buy us off with cheap mobile phone roaming charges and cheap flights they are mistaken and frankly deluded. "
the UK like all trading nations will be forced to change by the nations it trades with ..china on human rights India on child labour .both no eu countries many countries on industrial pollution...

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

problem is that is relliant on a government spending the money in the same place the EU are spending it....

which is okay if you live for example in london and the south east.... not so good if for example you live in somewhere like cornwall....or south wales.... or north east england....

lets take an example "the taking off of VAT on fuel bills"

brexit said they can have it removed, which is true... however failing to recognise that it was the then tory chancellor and brexit campaigner lord lawson who put it on in the first place at 8%, then the tory government tried and thankfully failed to increase it from 8% to 15%.....

so at the moment the duty is 5%, that still places a reliance on a govt to "do the right thing".......

if everything else is falling around their heads, will they still do it... and that is what it was called "fantasy economics"

its like throwing mud at the wall and seeing what sticks.....

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied

"Before the EU it was shit, the last 40 years have shown incredible prosperity for the UK. Yes, we cock up occasionally, but the UK has grown so much as part of the EU, let's make this continue and make it even greater by actively running the EU?"

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

The reason we are the 5th biggest economy is because of the last 40 years in the EU, otherwise we would have been toast...

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

problem is that is relliant on a government spending the money in the same place the EU are spending it....

which is okay if you live for example in london and the south east.... not so good if for example you live in somewhere like cornwall....or south wales.... or north east england....

lets take an example "the taking off of VAT on fuel bills"

so at the moment the duty is 5%, that still places a reliance on a govt to "do the right thing".......

if everything else is falling around their heads, will they still do it... and that is what it was called "fantasy economics"

its like throwing mud at the wall and seeing what sticks....."

As I just said if the public don't like how the government is spending the money the public have the power to kick them out at the next election.

On the fuel bills point our government could raise it now above 5% but they haven't. We simply don't have the option to drop it below 5% if we wanted to because EU rules forbid us from doing so.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"The reason we are the 5th biggest economy is because of the last 40 years in the EU, otherwise we would have been toast..."

Bump!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"The reason we are the 5th biggest economy is because of the last 40 years in the EU, otherwise we would have been toast..."

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

It isn't rubbish. In the early 70's we were a disaster zone. Since then we have moved into a very strong economic position. So the EU hasn't stopped us, it has helped us. Would be be here without them, no. We would be way worse, and sadly that is where Brexiter's would take us.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied

"The reason we are the 5th biggest economy is because of the last 40 years in the EU, otherwise we would have been toast...

Complete rubbish. We are 5th largest in spite of the EU not because of it. Thank fook we never joined the economic basket case Eurozone. We had great links with the commonwealth before we joined the EU. The commonwealth as a block has much higher economic growth than the EU now. The only continent with worse economic growth than the EU is Antarctica. "
and still the UK grew well inside it ..we have grown because of our union with Europe..but were right not to join the eurozone ..and our links with with the commonwealth were no enough to grow the country so we joined a union that was and still is ..

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"It isn't rubbish. In the early 70's we were a disaster zone. Since then we have moved into a very strong economic position. So the EU hasn't stopped us, it has helped us. Would be be here without them, no. We would be way worse, and sadly that is where Brexiter's would take us. "

If you watch Brexit the movie on YouTube it goes into this subject in great detail. We were in bad shape in the 70's because of over regulation and saddled with huge debts after the war. Our growth came about because of deregulation during the 80's. Unfortunately now the EU is going down the route of over regulation and bloated bureaucracy which is stifling competition and is one of the main reasons why the EU as a block is in stagnation economically. The EU is failing, it's failing on the Euro and it's failing on the migration crisis. The EU is a sinking ship and our only chance of escape to the lifeboat is to Leave on June 23rd.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The reason we are the 5th biggest economy is because of the last 40 years in the EU, otherwise we would have been toast...

I think we should be building on our relations with the commonwealth , we have allot more in common with some of these countries than with any in the eurozone ( not that i dont think we should still work with the countries of the eu ) , if the eu was essentially about trade then i would be all for it , the problem is its not , its all about bringing everyone in closer and closer until it eventually becomes one big united states of europe and i cant see it ever working , this referendum could be the only chance we ever have to actually have any say in the direction we are heading with europe , im shocked were getting a vote now if im honest but if this is the only chance were going to get then we need to think long and hard about how we vote , if it goes the wrong way we could all seriously regret it in the future

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over a year ago

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By *ighland_RoseCouple
over a year ago

Brigadoon

I was undecided until I received a leaflet which put across both sides arguments. The leave sides arguments were all about fear of immigrants and the figures they quoted were half truths at best. If that's all they can come up with they are convincing me.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

I'm talking fact & your talking fantasy, again...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The way i see it being in the eu is good for some , not for others , big business , expats , as well as some in agriculture ( although i dont think all ) gain from us being in the eu , but for myself being a bog standard factory worker as well as many other working class folk it would be better for us to vote leave , thats just my opinion and im sure there lits of folks who wont agree with it

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"The way i see it being in the eu is good for some , not for others , big business , expats , as well as some in agriculture ( although i dont think all ) gain from us being in the eu , but for myself being a bog standard factory worker as well as many other working class folk it would be better for us to vote leave , thats just my opinion and im sure there lits of folks who wont agree with it "

So all the jobs created in the past 40 years for bog standard working class folk don't matter? What will improve for you and me if we leave?

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"Need to get out as soon as possible imo. Mass immigration and open boarders are going to become a huge problem, especially when turkey joins."

Turkey wont be joining any time soon.....you dont want to believe that tool BoJo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So all the jobs created in the past 40 years for bog standard working class folk don't matter? What will improve for you and me if we leave? "

Like i said , its my opinion , the fact that wages are conistantly driven down by the obundance of labour is one though , maybe you work at a really great place and if so lucky you but where i work the managment are of the opinion that your lucky you have a job and if you don't like it leave ( thats something a manager has actually told a worker who complained of not having a pay rise yet again ) , there plenty more workers to be had and who can blame someone for coming here and getting payed may times what they would in there own country

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

So all the jobs created in the past 40 years for bog standard working class folk don't matter? What will improve for you and me if we leave?

We don't walk away from the world by voting to exit. Many workers rights are likely to be weaker if we leave, so why take the risk...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So all the jobs created in the past 40 years for bog standard working class folk don't matter? What will improve for you and me if we leave?

We don't walk away from the world by voting to exit. Many workers rights are likely to be weaker if we leave, so why take the risk..."

If workers rights was to be made weaker it would be the government ( which ever party happens to be in parliament at the time ) that would make them so , in which case we as the british public can vote them out and vote a party in who can strengthen them , that's our democratic choice

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Brexit are not getting this message across. "

Yes I can see them putting trade barriers up because, if we don't get a trade deal they'll have no choice according to WTO rules. And the only way we'll get a trade deal anything like as good as we currently have is by agreeing to freedom of movement and paying something like what we're currently paying as well.

If the EU gave Britain unlimited access to the single market without free movement and not having to pay a membership fee then all the other countries would want the same. That would be the end of the EU and the EU simply won't agree to that.

Also, whilst you could argue that some of BREMAINS forecasts are exaggerated, they are forcasts, not facts, so open to opinion. However the claim that we pay £350 million a week is an easily provable lie, and anybody who checks it out will soon find it out as such.

The real figure is £270 million gross and about £180 net.

I really don't know why BREXIT keep saying £350 million when £270 million or £180 million make almost as good as case for them and would be totally indisputable. But I guess once you start lying it's difficult to stop.

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over a year ago

Brexit are not getting this message across.

The real figure is £270 million gross and about £180 net.

There probably be would some barriers to trade , ive seen some news stories suggesting france would eant as many barriers as possible and germany would want at least some just so they act as a deterrent from other countries trying to leave the eu , there was also many other countries saying they wouldnt try to make things difficult if we did leave bit regardless i dont think the norway trade deal would be the best option for us if we left , the canada deal looks a much better fit although im sure whatever was negotiated wouldnt be exaclty like either of those deals

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"in the early days only 9 in eu , now its got to big less rich countries will gain at our expense, i saw a debate where someone said we need to stay with eu, reply dozens of countries not in eu and are managing better than us, as for trade most stuff you buy is made in china"

If these countries outside the EU, of which I agree there are many, are so great then how come the UK is the fifth largest economy in the world and seventh richest country in the world. All this achieved whilst being inside the EU.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

No they're not but, in difficult times, people do tend to look to popularist, simple solutions to try and solve their problems. Unfortunately these popularist solutions seldom actually solve the problems and often, by encouraging division, separation and xenophobic sentiments, they often make things worse. I see the attempt and arguments to leave the EU as falling into this popularist movement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both campaigns are terrible full of lies and misinformation the only person that has made sense to me is Peter North of EU referendum.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I was, until recently, undecided on Brexit, however, the scaremongering of the remain campaign and the wild financial forecasting has now put me firmly in the leave camp.

Has either campaign made anyone here change their opinion on how they'll vote and why?

Hasn't made me change my mind,

however is has made me much more determined and stubborn to vote LEAVE

I have a postal vote which will be filled in and sent"

And I've got thick dark glasses and thick full headphones. With these on I simply don't have to listen to anything that doesn't fit in with what I already believe. It's almost as good as sticking my head in the sand.

Just because you don't want to hear it and don't want to believe it, doesn't make it scaremongering.

If almost everyone I knew was telling me I was about to run of the edge of a cliff I think I'd at least stop and look to make sure I wasn't, even if I believed there was no cliff there to fall off.

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over a year ago

"Both campaigns are terrible full of lies and misinformation the only person that has made sense to me is Peter North of EU referendum."

Lol love it

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I was, until recently, undecided on Brexit, however, the scaremongering of the remain campaign and the wild financial forecasting has now put me firmly in the leave camp.

Has either campaign made anyone here change their opinion on how they'll vote and why?

Hasn't made me change my mind,

however is has made me much more determined and stubborn to vote LEAVE

I have a postal vote which will be filled in and sent

Same here, i had already decided i would like Britain to Leave the EU years ago but if anything the tactics used by the Remain campaign have made me even more determined to vote Leave on June 23rd. "

Well, as you were always going to vote to leave, the remain campaign is not targeted at you.

If I'd had any doubts about voting to stay the totally popularist and proven factual lies from BREXIT have made not only definitely going to vote to remain but actively campaign to remain. In fact I'd go even further than that. I would never vote in a general election for a party that any of the BREXIT campaigners as its leader. If they can't bring themselves to tell the truth on something as simple as how much we pay to the EU then how could I ever trust them on anything else.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

True. They did get it wrong. It's £367 million in section 9 paragraph 9 on some pink paper in the commons .

The remain campaign argument is based on what we get back after the rebate. Like Farage says. Give me £20 I give you £10 back and tell you you are better off. What would you say.

This is something the remain mob won't answer. "

Yes they will. We do not give them £350 (or £367) million we give them about £270 million of which we get about £130 million back.

It's really more like saying "everyone else pays £30 to enjoy the benefits of being in this club but you can have those same benefits for only £20 and we'll give you £10 of that back in direct benefits"

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

It's not as bad as:

Get to the back of the queue!

Huge recession

World War 3

Plague of boils

Zombie apocalypse

Most of which has never actually been said by people on BREMAIN.

No one said leaving the EU will cause WW III, however it would seem fairly obvious to me that the more disorganised Europe's response is to threats from Russia, ISIS and others the more likely they are to see Europe as a softer target and therefore more likely to consider attacking it. And that makes a war more likely in my opinion. The UK leaving the EU will make Europe look less well organised and less ready to stand up to these real threats from outside.

As for boils and zombies, that was Boris say 'Next they'll say...'

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Will we still be able to buy Kronenbourg if we leave,

no .... but we'll probably still be able to buy carlsberg

Buy British Carling, or the Aussie amber nectar Fosters

no .... it's shit

Different tastes, many people don't like Kronenbourg or Carlsberg. "

I like Bud. How does that stand, or do I have to wait for the inevitably TTIP threads that are going to come once this is all sorted, to get an answer for that.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"The remainer's getting financial institutions to give a 3 year plus forecast on the state of our economy, if we leave, when they can't get it right from quarter to quarter on a know economic situation, is laughable.

One theory is a Nike swoosh type of growth forecast, a bit of an initial slump then a big upward swoosh.

Who knows, it's all guesswork.

Btw you didn't need a visa to visit mainland Europe before and you won't be likely to need one if we leave. "

True about the visas but, before we joined, Poland, Rumania, Estonian and most of East Europe (the people BREXIT claim are the problem) were locked behind the Iron Curtain and couldn't get here anyway. They're not now. How we going to stop them coming here without visas. If we have visas for East Europe then we'll have then for all Europe and possibly Ireland to.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Am I the only one who has heard the true messages of BREXIT and BRMAIN?

It does not matter which way we vote. Because either way we are being fucked and going to get more of the same!

So the question is are we going to do what corporate America and the international world want and vote BRMAIN or what BoJo and UKIP want and vote BREXIT?

Me, I'll vote 'exit' (it will not happen regardless of the referendum vote) because an 'out' vote will bring this lying cheating corrupt Tory government to its knees when they and their red tory allies find an excuse (probably too low a turnout) to disregard an 'out' vote.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I think both sides in this referendum have been a bit imaginative with the truth to be honest although some of the more dire wornings about voteing to leave causing world war three i find infuriating ( how can anyone fall for that ) , i have pretty much decided to vote leave but if i was voteing to stay id be very worried about all the new laws and policies that the eu are keeping on hold until after we have all voted just in case it makes more people to vote leave "

I'm sure there will be new laws whether we leave or not but if you know of some new laws the EU is thinking up that might affect the way people will vote in the referendum then please tell us what they are. Or is this just more of the real project fear from BREXIT.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"The whole thing is pretty indicative of the country as a whole in that we are a divided nation - maybe we should split the country in half and one lot can stick with the EU while the rest stay out."

Or send BREXIers to the Falklands and South Georgia, they can be British and out of the EU while the true British patriots can remain British and in the EU.

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over a year ago

Or send BREXIers to the Falklands and South Georgia, they can be British and out of the EU while the true British patriots can remain British and in the EU."

I think you are mistaken and deluded;

True Brits are Loyal to their country which is "Britain" and most certainly NOT the EU, they want to see Britain flourish as a nation and protect its borders without the EU interfering and writing new laws & rules which we must obey.

The only true way to get our nation back is to vote Exit on Thursday 23rd June, think how disappointed your fathers and grand parents will be if you vote to give up on our proud nation and hand it over to EU powers

Vote Leave

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"I'm sure there are xenophobes and racists on the leave side but what disgusts me is the Remainers attempts to tar everyone with the same brush.

In my eyes it is the EU who are the biggest xenophobes. They seem to have a dislike and fear of different nations, histories, cultures and traditions and are seeking to dilute or destroy them instead of celebrating them in a vain attempt to create one State or 'one people'. Thinkso you cannot tell the difference between Spain or Poland or Portugal or Ireland or the UK or for that matter Greece ..every EU nation is different sorry but xenophobia and racism sits firmly on the shoulders of the brexiters !!!!!!

The fear of unrestricted immigration is nothing to do with racism.

Totally agree.

The whole panel on Question Time were in complete agreement when each of them said it is NOT racist to want to leave the EU. The BBC Question Time panel consisted of Yvette Cooper Labour MP, Amber Rudd Conservative MP, Leader of the Lib dems Tim Farron, deputy leader of UKIP Paul Nuttall and non politician Paul Mason. Anyone can watch it on BBC iplayer if they missed it. For Remainers on here to now start playing the race card really just shows how rattled and desperate they are becoming now, with the polls narrowing neck and neck again in the last week. year again you totally miss the point its the reason for leaving that is one of racism not the action of actually leaving ..looking at the number of EU citizens who arrive in the UK without work pales into insignificance when you look at the number ok UK citizens who arrive all over the EU without work ..a large number of whom appear in Germany and France to claim benefits ..not rattled you have only to do an internet search on ukip to find the many faces of racism within that party .....

I want out... are you calling me a racist?

I have some good friends who are Asian, and they are going to vote out.... are they racist? (they also voted UKIP in the General Election, btw).any race of people can be racist open your eyes to what ukip are about they may have watered their racism down for the benefit of a referendum .just search the many ramblings of their leader and you will find many examples racism sexism and homophobia .. I to have heard talk from some polish immigrants saying they would be against Albanians entering ..so racism from the polish yes ..al nations harbour racism and the UK are allowing ukip to become the acceptable face of it and the referendum is stirring up its fair share of it ..."

So, as I've asked before, and you failed to answer...

I'm voting out... are you calling me a racist?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"IFF say the net contribution is £150m per week. This is just over 1% of our GDP. So exiting saves us 1% of our GDP, but it brings us so much more than an increase of 1% of risk.

As we all seem to love betting, the bet does not make sense the odds of exit being better than staying in are way worse than Leicester winning the Premiership!

So let's stay in. "

And yet win it they did... and have probably changed the Premier League for the better, forever.

And have certainly put Leicester on the map,

and got everybody in the world talking about how great Leicester is.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"We spend £100 billion a year on EU regulations already - Better Regulation Commission.

The EU forces us to spend £210 billion a year according the the Cabinet Office on 8,500 quangos.

£100 +210 billion = 310 billion (20% of our GDP) wasted annually on the EU, which makes our EU contribution look irrelevant.

100 billion.... i do wonder where people pluck these imaginary figures out from....

because according to the EU and the Uk government.... the ACTUAL contribution the UK made to the EU budget was 12.9 billion pounds....

but i wouldn't like facts to get in the way of your claims.....

heck... would you like to go higher!!!!

But you said a couple of posts previously our contribution was about £5 Billion, not £12.9 Billion....

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over a year ago

Common Sense says Leave

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"I think you are mistaken and deluded;

Until 500 years ago Britain did not exist, 1200 years ago England did not exist, 2100 years ago this island was full of warring tribes. I think you will find that every time our ancestors united to form a larger, stronger more secure society there were those who held similar views to yours and believed that the 'good old days' of their smaller xenophobic society were better than the new bigger one they were being asked to give allegiance to.

I ask you do you really think that being part of an independent UK outside the EU will be better for us in the long run than becoming a state in a federal EU? If you do then logically it follows that you think we would be better off living in small tribes rather than a united kingdom in this island, and I would ask you to name 1 place in the world where a tribal society has flourished. I think you will find it impossible.

(Notice I removed your 'vote leave' because I for 1 can think of at least one overpowering reason to vote leave.)

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over a year ago

(Notice I removed your 'vote leave' because I for 1 can think of at least one overpowering reason to vote leave.)"

I am glad you can think of one good reason to vote leave, please ensure you do this on the 23rd June

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By *weetChariotMan
over a year ago

High Wycombe

The LSE (London school of economics) has the most unbiased, well reasoned argument I have seen yet. Instead of all the emotion of others and the scaremongering it outlines a very well reasoned perspective.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"We spend £100 billion a year on EU regulations already - Better Regulation Commission.

The EU forces us to spend £210 billion a year according the the Cabinet Office on 8,500 quangos.

£100 +210 billion = 310 billion (20% of our GDP) wasted annually on the EU, which makes our EU contribution look irrelevant.

100 billion.... i do wonder where people pluck these imaginary figures out from....

because according to the EU and the Uk government.... the ACTUAL contribution the UK made to the EU budget was 12.9 billion pounds....

but i wouldn't like facts to get in the way of your claims.....

heck... would you like to go higher!!!!

But you said a couple of posts previously our contribution was about £5 Billion, not £12.9 Billion...."

See... That figure is more provable ..... And this is how....

The gross contribution of the U.K to the EU was 17.8 billion... Hence the mythical 361 mil per day figure....

But the uk don't pay that... And here is why...

We get back the thatcher Eu rebate.... Which was last year 4.9 billion.... Which gets us to 12.9 billion.... Which we do pay

Then out of that we could get back between 4.5 bil and 7.5 bil depending on the year subsidies and various projects

So the net spend is actually between about 5.5 and 8.5 billion pounds..... Hence the figures between 100 and 170 million per week....

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"The LSE (London school of economics) has the most unbiased, well reasoned argument I have seen yet. Instead of all the emotion of others and the scaremongering it outlines a very well reasoned perspective. "

I would agree... But any report that goes against the leave side is automatically rubbished and accused of project fear

The LSE report was accused, the Oxford university report was rubbished, the IFS report rubbished , the Bank of England report rubbished, the treasury report rubbished .....

Thing is even though the figures projected were different, the reports in effect all said the Same thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really? So who had the 5th largest economy in the world before the UK joined the EU?

If there is no room here to answer, it was the UK

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"New claim by Brexit camp, if we leave the EU all single blokes on Fab will be guaranteed at least 3 shags a week.

Well it's about as believable as the rest of the stuff they are saying"

What is not guaranteed though is that those shags will be with women

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"True Brits are Loyal to their country which is "Britain" and most certainly NOT the EU, they want to see Britain flourish as a nation and protect its borders without the EU interfering and writing new laws & rules which we must obey.

So on the 23rd We must all vote Leave

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone with sense will vote for exit to leave the EU

this will be best for the UK in the long run

Remember vote Leave

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Everyone with sense will vote.

This will be best for the UK in the long run

Remember! Vote!"

Corrected your spelling for you, you had a few extraneous letters

Mr ddc

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