FabSwingers.com forum: AWESOME! Monaco F1 race

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It's amazing how a great result and a great race makes a person feel.

Nails have all been bitten and my heart rate has only just began to return to 64bpm.

I'm rather happy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's amazing how a great result and a great race makes a person feel.

Nails have all been bitten and my heart rate has only just began to return to 64bpm.

I'm rather happy

I don't think Dani Ric would agree with you !

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's amazing how a great result and a great race makes a person feel.

Nails have all been bitten and my heart rate has only just began to return to 64bpm.

I'm rather happy

I don't think Dani Ric would agree with you ! "

His team well and truly fucked his race up today. I genuinely felt for him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Best race for a long time....

Incident packed and plenty controversy....

Hey and who knows ,,,, maybe Lewis will manage to crack a smile on that face of his...

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By *RnMrsFreakCouple
over a year ago

Hull,England

and good points for McLaren today 5th & 9th, hope they can keep that up, they need it (and deserve it).

rolling start was a good call

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By *mokes n MirrorsCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth and Newcastle (sometimes)

So happy seeing Lewis on the top step and Mad Max is going to liven the whole season up one way or another.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

memorial day sunday is always like the gearheads xmas day...

start with the monaco GP...

middle i have just watched a fantastic indianapolis 500...... brilliant ending

and now.... the Nascar Coca Cola 600... the 2nd biggest race of the year after daytona, the longest nascar race and the only day/night affair....

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By *mokes n MirrorsCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth and Newcastle (sometimes)

"memorial day sunday is always like the gearheads xmas day...

start with the monaco GP...

middle i have just watched a fantastic indianapolis 500...... brilliant ending

and now.... the Nascar Coca Cola 600... the 2nd biggest race of the year after daytona, the longest nascar race and the only day/night affair....

Being a Freeview pleb sucks sometimes but I have got some live (but recorded) world superbikes followed by some rallycross courtesy of Quest when the OH wakes up tomorrow after her night shift.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"memorial day sunday is always like the gearheads xmas day...

start with the monaco GP...

middle i have just watched a fantastic indianapolis 500...... brilliant ending

and now.... the Nascar Coca Cola 600... the 2nd biggest race of the year after daytona, the longest nascar race and the only day/night affair....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Great to see Mercedes make the call for Lewis to pass Britney.

Great to see Lewis win again. Last and only Monaco victory he started 3rd and it was rain affected. Good omen.

Great to see Britney have a shit race and that championship lead is now 24points.

Great to see Max Verstappen crash. Was gifted a win last week and he's come crashing down to reality lol.

It's always nice to see RedBull cock up. Poor pitstop which ultimately cost DR a race win.

Handful of crashes, involving Kimi, Palmer, Kvyat, Magnusen and it was funny to see both Saubers take each other out.

Nice to see Force India grab a podium and Fernando have a decent race too.

Decent race overall. Currently watching the highlights

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't see it, but will do a catch up on it, yeah I heard it was a good race as well.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I didn't see it, but will do a catch up on it, yeah I heard it was a good race as well."

I enjoyed it so much, I'm currently watching the full rerun on skysportsF1

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By *tephenBunChowMan
over a year ago

Haywards heath/Waterlooville

Money on ricciardo being Ferrari #2 driver for 2017

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As soon as I found out Hamilton won, I deleted before watching. Cannot stand the guy

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

Just a small point, Hamilton didn't win the race, Red Bull gave it to him.

Lets see how long he keeps his dummy in before he spits it out again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a small point, Hamilton didn't win the race, Red Bull gave it to him.

Lets see how long he keeps his dummy in before he spits it out again."

Makes up for last year when his team took it away from him with a dodgy pit stop. Al part of f1

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

Inspired tyre choices by Hamilton;

Hanging onto the wets to the last minute then changing directly to the ultras was a clever choice and a risk that paid off;

Forced RedBull to go for the tyre change ( that went wrong) . But even if Ricciardo had got out before Hamilton, it would have been a close fight, and it looked like Hamilton had enough tyre left to fight it if that had happened. There was enough left in those ultras to take the risk and do some out braking and cornering. The rain on the last lap would have given the ultras the edge over the supers.

Pity about Verstappen; a bit of inexperience showing there; but the best of the best have had the same accidents, in the same places ; it was good learning for him.

You make a mistake of less than a centimetre at Monaco and you are fucked.

Nice to see Perez making his mark again.

Good on Alonzo for dragging the dire McClaren up there.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Just a small point, Hamilton didn't win the race, Red Bull gave it to him.

Lets see how long he keeps his dummy in before he spits it out again."

Why do people who have a disliking to Lewis always refer to spitting his dummy out?

The guy wears his heart on his sleave ffs! He's had nothing but bad luck this year and finally some went his way in Monaco.

Canada is a track that should reward his driving style, so hopefully if his car proves reliable, I fancy him for the win

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

No, he spits his dummy out, you don't see other drivers acting like him, if he was more like Jenson and took the bad luck on the chin it would be better. Nico didn't have such a glum face last year when he was having the bad luck. He's had an easy ride to F1 unlike most drivers and look at the way he thinks its his right to win all the time.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"No, he spits his dummy out, you don't see other drivers acting like him, if he was more like Jenson and took the bad luck on the chin it would be better. Nico didn't have such a glum face last year when he was having the bad luck. He's had an easy ride to F1 unlike most drivers and look at the way he thinks its his right to win all the time."

Typically British attitude.

We all bemoan the way sportsmen are boring faceless corporate clones and lament the lack of real charachters like Best, Mackenroe, Jimmy White and James Hunt yet as soon as someone comes along with some charachter, some flaws and a desire to live the lifestyle the way we all wish we could all we can do is bitch and moan about it.

If I had that kinda money and talent I'd be a complete cunt and love every minute of it!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a small point, Hamilton didn't win the race, Red Bull gave it to him.

Lets see how long he keeps his dummy in before he spits it out again."

I must have watched a different race to you. The one I saw had Hamilton cross the finish line before anyone else.

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

You missed the point, he came first, he didn't win the race.

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

No its not a typical British attitude, the British way is the Jenson way. Stiff upper lip, get on and do the best job you can do with thr equipment you have got and give a decent interview.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im sure i saw Risberg spit his dummy out (and throw a few things) more than once last season

They are there to win, nothing else matters.

Great race, good strategy.

Its a team sport, just takes one bad component, one bad strategy call, one bad communication error, one bad move by the driver to lose the race..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You missed the point, he came first, he didn't win the race.

The point is, to win a race you cross the line first, which is what he did.

The circumstances are irrelevant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

would love to have all the drivers have same car to see who is really the best driver, even for a one off race how good would that be?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"would love to have all the drivers have same car to see who is really the best driver, even for a one off race how good would that be? "

Sort of what happens at the race of champions.

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

"Just a small point, Hamilton didn't win the race, Red Bull gave it to him.

Lets see how long he keeps his dummy in before he spits it out again.

I must have watched a different race to you. The one I saw had Hamilton cross the finish line before anyone else. "

Hamilton didn't win the race, Redhill lost it. I couldn't see that Hamilton would have given a position up to robbery.... It would all have been everyman for himself.

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By *aughtyinguMan
over a year ago

swindon

Lewis made redbull mess up, which is quite amazing. Also the virtual safety cars and laps stuck behind nico at the start where all that stopped nico being lapped

Nervous race for me but great result in the end

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

"Just a small point, Hamilton didn't win the race, Red Bull gave it to him.

Lets see how long he keeps his dummy in before he spits it out again.

I must have watched a different race to you. The one I saw had Hamilton cross the finish line before anyone else. "

Hamilton didn't win the race, Redhill lost it. I couldn't see that Hamilton would have given a position up to robbery.... It would all have been everyman for himself.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

Actually you see it all the time;

Rosberg;

Vettel was classic at it when he didn't get his way;

Even Alonso, who is now one of the " elder statesmen" of the sport does it; with few exceptions, they all get pumped.

Hamilton most certainly has not had an easy ride to F1; his has been one of the hardest journeys in terms of where he started ; compare to Rosberg who was silver spooned to F1 from almost the day he was born; money no object.

Quite apart from the fact that he is black; something that was ( not very silently) not popular amongst the hierarchy of F1....

There was a lot of not so subtle pressure put on Ron Dennis and McClaren to quietly drop him because of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"would love to have all the drivers have same car to see who is really the best driver, even for a one off race how good would that be? "

yeah sort of

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a small point, Hamilton didn't win the race, Red Bull gave it to him.

Lets see how long he keeps his dummy in before he spits it out again.

I must have watched a different race to you. The one I saw had Hamilton cross the finish line before anyone else.

Hamilton didn't win the race, Redhill lost it. I couldn't see that Hamilton would have given a position up to robbery.... It would all have been everyman for himself. "

So, if Hamilton didn't win the race, where did he finish and who did cross the line first?

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By *upcake68Woman
over a year ago

Ely

Ohhhh, you just gotta love the haters!

F1 World Champion tally

Lewis 3 Nico Oh yes, big fat zilch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ohhhh, you just gotta love the haters!

F1 World Champion tally

Lewis 3 Nico Oh yes, big fat zilch

9 hours I've been waiting for someone to tell me who really won......

ps; I still reckon it was Hamilton.

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By *litheroevoyeurMan
over a year ago

Clitheroe

"Just a small point, Hamilton didn't win the race, Red Bull gave it to him.

Lets see how long he keeps his dummy in before he spits it out again."

I seem to remember he crossed the line in front of everyone else. Sounds like a win to me. How he got in front is just part of racing.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"Just a small point, Hamilton didn't win the race, Red Bull gave it to him. ."

So by your logic all instances of bad luck, mechanical failure and team mistakes should be redressed after the race to reset the result?

Cool. Hamilton would currently be in the lead of his chase for his fifth championship then!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Haters will always hate!

Irespective of how Lewis is portrayed off the track, once his visor goes down on a racing weekend, there aren't many drivers in the history of the sport who are better than him.

In my opinion he is the most complete driver on the grid. He has proven it time and time again. I wish him all the success he gets

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a small point, Hamilton didn't win the race, Red Bull gave it to him. .

So by your logic all instances of bad luck, mechanical failure and team mistakes should be redressed after the race to reset the result?

Cool. Hamilton would currently be in the lead of his chase for his fifth championship then!"

Bwahahahahaha.

I like your thinking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As soon as I found out Hamilton won, I deleted before watching. Cannot stand the guy"

I could never stand Schuey or Senna, but that's what it takes to be a top driver in F1.

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

Canadian GP

That was Lewis winning the race, not another team gifting it to him.

As was said before Lewis didn't win the Monaco race, Red Bull lost it.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Canadian GP

That was Lewis winning the race, not another team gifting it to him.

As was said before Lewis didn't win the Monaco race, Red Bull lost it."

No ; that's sport ; he went over the line first, ( having made a bold tyre choice ) and thus he won it.

If you think the way you do, then every time a team make a mistake, you have to stop the race and start again, "fairly".

Motorsport is a team sport ; the driver is the key person who has to get the car round.

Perhaps in football, when the goal keeper lets a goal in, they should stop and go back, so he can save it next time?

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

Monaca he didn't the race he went over the line in first place, he didn't win through his tactics, Red Bull mucked up and thus gifted him the position.

Canada, He won the race through the teams tactic's......

There is a big differance in winning through what you choise to do or being gifted a race through an own goal !!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Monaca he didn't the race he went over the line in first place, he didn't win through his tactics, Red Bull mucked up and thus gifted him the position.

Canada, He won the race through the teams tactic's......

There is a big differance in winning through what you choise to do or being gifted a race through an own goal !!!!!!"

It's still winning though, right? I mean he gets a stupidly large cup, a watch and some champagne, oh and some points...he still did actually come in first place?

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

NO, Its not winning, he didn't win the race, he came first, Red Bull cocked up thus handing over the lead to Hamilton

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By *litheroevoyeurMan
over a year ago

Clitheroe

Red bull are not the first team to screw up and hand the lead to an opponent and they won't be the last. Coming first sounds like a win to me. Usual advice on FAB is get over it and move on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"NO, Its not winning, he didn't win the race, he came first, Red Bull cocked up thus handing over the lead to Hamilton"

Oh he didn't get the stupidly large cup for winning the race then?

I mean, just say England got to the final of the eurocup (a man can dream), and just say it was 0-0 until the 89th minute and then a German defender hacked down David Rooney (or whoever) in the box and we got a penalty, which Wayne Beckham then slotted home, and we go on to win.... Did England win the cup or did we just come first?

Confused of Devon

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

Yes correct, Red Bull screwed up, Gave it to hamilton. He came first.

I don't need advise on my life !!

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Monaca he didn't the race he went over the line in first place, he didn't win through his tactics, Red Bull mucked up and thus gifted him the position.

Canada, He won the race through the teams tactic's......

There is a big differance in winning through what you choise to do or being gifted a race through an own goal !!!!!!"

Actually his Monaco win was down to him choosing to take a ( clever) risk on his tyres, which paid off by forcing the Red Bull driver to go to a tyre change, which went wrong.

So a clever winning strategy by Hamilton.

In Canada, he also took a clever tyre risk ( and it seems that he chose to push to the one-stop; the team went without when they realised what he was doing.)

So on both cases, Hamilton thinking very strategically, as well as tactically .

And driving well enough to be able to give himself options.

That's winning driving...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Monaca he didn't the race he went over the line in first place, he didn't win through his tactics, Red Bull mucked up and thus gifted him the position.

Canada, He won the race through the teams tactic's......

There is a big differance in winning through what you choise to do or being gifted a race through an own goal !!!!!!

Actually his Monaco win was down to him choosing to take a ( clever) risk on his tyres, which paid off by forcing the Red Bull driver to go to a tyre change, which went wrong.

So a clever winning strategy by Hamilton.

In Canada, he also took a clever tyre risk ( and it seems that he chose to push to the one-stop; the team went without when they realised what he was doing.)

So on both cases, Hamilton thinking very strategically, as well as tactically .

And driving well enough to be able to give himself options.

That's winning driving...

I think it's also a TEAM sport isn't it? Red Bull's TEAM at the Monaco GP, didn't perform well and the mercedes team did. Of course we can all look at individual drivers but they are just part of the team, I wonder how well drivers would do upon pitting, if they had to go and get the new wheels and put them on themselves?

Mercedes won the monaco grand prix, driver, pit crew, strategists, principle... end of as far as I am concerned....

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"Yes correct, Red Bull screwed up, Gave it to hamilton. He came first.

I don't need advise on my life !!"

No but you might some advice on your interpretation of winning.

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By *litheroevoyeurMan
over a year ago

Clitheroe

"Yes correct, Red Bull screwed up, Gave it to hamilton. He came first.

I don't need advise on my life !!

No but you might some advice on your interpretation of winning. "

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

"Yes correct, Red Bull screwed up, Gave it to hamilton. He came first.

I don't need advise on my life !!

No but you might some advice on your interpretation of winning. "

Having worked in motorsport for a number of years, i know when you win a race or a championship, i also know when you are gifted a race by another team, or when you gift another team a race result

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

TEAM, correct, so Hamilton didn't win it Red Bull TEAM gifted it to him....................

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By *litheroevoyeurMan
over a year ago

Clitheroe

Nah, your are still missing the fact that the first over the line is the winner, even when you don't like it.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"TEAM, correct, so Hamilton didn't win it Red Bull TEAM gifted it to him...................."

If you have been in Motorsport so long, you also know that the first person over the line is the winner .

Nothing else matters .

And in this case, since you mention it, Hamilton and his team made some bold decisions, which paid off;

That forced Ricciardo and his team to make some decisions , And they fucked up under pressure.

That's winning.

Just because you don't like who won, doesn't change it.....

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

"Nah, your are still missing the fact that the first over the line is the winner, even when you don't like it."

I'd like to correct you, you are missing the point, i'm not saying he wasn't classed as the winner of the race, what i am saying is he didn't win it, Red Bull Team fucked up and gifted it to him.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Nah, your are still missing the fact that the first over the line is the winner, even when you don't like it.

I'd like to correct you, you are missing the point, i'm not saying he wasn't classed as the winner of the race, what i am saying is he didn't win it, Red Bull Team fucked up and gifted it to him."

You just don't get it do you?

Hamilton and his team did good strategy and took a risk that paid off ( and didn't fuck up) and won

Red Bull took a different strategy (and fucked up) and lost .

Simple.

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

"Nah, your are still missing the fact that the first over the line is the winner, even when you don't like it.

I'd like to correct you, you are missing the point, i'm not saying he wasn't classed as the winner of the race, what i am saying is he didn't win it, Red Bull Team fucked up and gifted it to him.

You just don't get it do you?

Hamilton and his team did good strategy and took a risk that paid off ( and didn't fuck up) and won

Red Bull took a different strategy (and fucked up) and lost .

Simple.

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Me not get it,,,,,,,, its you thats you thats totally missed the point, had Red Bull not fucked up Hamilton wouldn't have crossed the line in first place, so the risk wasn't that good, as you say, Red Bull fucked up, gifting the race, had they not fucked up Hamilton wouldn't have been classed as the winner,,,,,,,,,,,,,, simples

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

"TEAM, correct, so Hamilton didn't win it Red Bull TEAM gifted it to him....................

If you have been in Motorsport so long, you also know that the first person over the line is the winner .

Nothing else matters .

And in this case, since you mention it, Hamilton and his team made some bold decisions, which paid off;

That forced Ricciardo and his team to make some decisions , And they fucked up under pressure.

That's winning.

Just because you don't like who won, doesn't change it.....

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At no stage did any member of the Mercedes team go to the Red Bull team and force them into making any decision, they chose to call him in they wern't forced to, and they wern't ready for him. Simple, they fucked up and gifted the race to hamilton

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Nah, your are still missing the fact that the first over the line is the winner, even when you don't like it.

I'd like to correct you, you are missing the point, i'm not saying he wasn't classed as the winner of the race, what i am saying is he didn't win it, Red Bull Team fucked up and gifted it to him.

You just don't get it do you?

Hamilton and his team did good strategy and took a risk that paid off ( and didn't fuck up) and won

Red Bull took a different strategy (and fucked up) and lost .

Simple.

Me not get it,,,,,,,, its you thats you thats totally missed the point, had Red Bull not fucked up Hamilton wouldn't have crossed the line in first place, so the risk wasn't that good, as you say, Red Bull fucked up, gifting the race, had they not fucked up Hamilton wouldn't have been classed as the winner,,,,,,,,,,,,,, simples "

Actually, if you watch the last few laps, you will see that Ricciardo could not keep pace with Hamilton.

Hamilton backed off during the last few laps, presumably to conserve tyres, and a caution against the rain approaching towards the last lap.

But he was fairly easily managing his lead over Ricciardo.

If Red Bull had not lost the time on the put stop, Ricciardo would not have had much of a lead over Hamilton.

Given that, and that Hamilton clearly had some speed reserve and traction , the finish would have been very close, and there would have been a distinct possibility of Hamilton managing an overtake and winning anyway.

The Red Bull error just made it a certainty.

Do its

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

I did watch the race and knowing Monaco as i do its quite a hard thing to overtake,,,,,,,

Had Ricciardo been i front Hamilton would have had very little chance of passing him without him making a mistake.

That was proved back in 1992 when Mansell had to pit for tyres a few laps from the end, he was then on Senna's gearbox for a few laps and no way could he get past even being on fresh rubber against Senna's old rubber.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

But all it says is its not a gift;

It's simply strategy and driving , and risks that pay off or don't .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I agree with Renard on this one.

Yes Reddbull fucked up but it wasn't that simple.

The reason they fucked up was actually down to what Lewis and Mercedes done.

Lewis was on the ultra soft tyres and Redbull had scheduled to change Riciardo onto the Soft compound. That's 2 compounds different to what Lewis was on. A last minute call was made to put Riciardo on the Super soft but due to the small garages in Monaco, the tyres are kept at the back.

This sudden call change made by the engineers was unable to be fed in time for the mechanics to grab the correct tyres.

So yes Redbull fucked up but Mercedes strategy made them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Canadian GP

That was Lewis winning the race, not another team gifting it to him.

As was said before Lewis didn't win the Monaco race, Red Bull lost it."

I've just double checked the BBC and F1 websites.

They both say Hamilton won.

Neither says Red Bull lost it. Which is obvious really because HAMILTON WON!!!!!!!!!!!!

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over a year ago

"Monaca he didn't the race he went over the line in first place, he didn't win through his tactics, Red Bull mucked up and thus gifted him the position.

Canada, He won the race through the teams tactic's......

There is a big differance in winning through what you choise to do or being gifted a race through an own goal !!!!!!

Actually his Monaco win was down to him choosing to take a ( clever) risk on his tyres, which paid off by forcing the Red Bull driver to go to a tyre change, which went wrong.

So a clever winning strategy by Hamilton.

In Canada, he also took a clever tyre risk ( and it seems that he chose to push to the one-stop; the team went without when they realised what he was doing.)

So on both cases, Hamilton thinking very strategically, as well as tactically .

And driving well enough to be able to give himself options.

That's winning driving...

Unless you really really really really really really really don't like Hamilton.

Or understand what crossing the line first, before any other cars, actually means.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes correct, Red Bull screwed up, Gave it to hamilton. He came first.

I don't need advise on my life !!

No but you might some advice on your interpretation of winning.

Having worked in motorsport for a number of years, i know when you win a race or a championship, i also know when you are gifted a race by another team, or when you gift another team a race result"

Excellent. So you'll know who crossed the line first and WON then?

You just bring yourself to type Hamilton can you.

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

"Yes correct, Red Bull screwed up, Gave it to hamilton. He came first.

I don't need advise on my life !!

No but you might some advice on your interpretation of winning.

Having worked in motorsport for a number of years, i know when you win a race or a championship, i also know when you are gifted a race by another team, or when you gift another team a race result

Excellent. So you'll know who crossed the line first and WON then?

You just bring yourself to type Hamilton can you. "

I know who crossed the line first, and i can type Hamilton, so whats your point ??

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

Many years ago Barrichello slowed on the last lap to let Schumacher cross the line first, he didn't class it as a win he got fined for not standing on the top step............

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

What i am saying is Red Bull Gifted Lewis Hamilton the race because they made a mess of the pit stop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I did watch the race and knowing Monaco as i do its quite a hard thing to overtake,,,,,,,

Had Ricciardo been i front Hamilton would have had very little chance of passing him without him making a mistake.

So by your logic, Mansell won then?

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over a year ago

"Yes correct, Red Bull screwed up, Gave it to hamilton. He came first.

I don't need advise on my life !!

No but you might some advice on your interpretation of winning.

Having worked in motorsport for a number of years, i know when you win a race or a championship, i also know when you are gifted a race by another team, or when you gift another team a race result

Excellent. So you'll know who crossed the line first and WON then?

You just bring yourself to type Hamilton can you.

I know who crossed the line first, and i can type Hamilton, so whats your point ??"

Not just my point, but really the way any race in any sporting arena works, anywhere in the world, but the point of everyone who watches, reports and regulates sees it, the person who crossed the line first won.

You seem to be the only one who doesnt get it....

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

"I did watch the race and knowing Monaco as i do its quite a hard thing to overtake,,,,,,,

Had Ricciardo been i front Hamilton would have had very little chance of passing him without him making a mistake.

So by your logic, Mansell won then?

Nothing to do with my logic.

If you had taken the time to read the what i wrote, i was explaining how difficult it is to overtake at Monaco even on new rubber, Senna won the race

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over a year ago

"I did watch the race and knowing Monaco as i do its quite a hard thing to overtake,,,,,,,

Had Ricciardo been i front Hamilton would have had very little chance of passing him without him making a mistake.

So by your logic, Mansell won then?

Nothing to do with my logic.

If you had taken the time to read the what i wrote, i was explaining how difficult it is to overtake at Monaco even on new rubber, Senna won the race"

But you don't think the person who crosses the line first is the winner.

Or have you changed your mind now?

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over a year ago

"Yes correct, Red Bull screwed up, Gave it to hamilton. He came first.

I don't need advise on my life !!

No but you might some advice on your interpretation of winning. "

I missed this nugget.

A retrospective

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

Might be a good idear if you check back on what i have written rather than jump in with both feet and make silly remarks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Might be a good idear if you check back on what i have written rather than jump in with both feet and make silly remarks"

Not as silly as thinking the person who crossed the line first isn't the winner.

I did ask a while back for you to tell us who did win though.

Still waiting.

*taps foot.............

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

Tap your foot as much as you like, all i'm doing is laughing at you now, because you haven't read what i wrote and are jumping on the back of other peoples remarks

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over a year ago

"Tap your foot as much as you like, all i'm doing is laughing at you now, because you haven't read what i wrote and are jumping on the back of other peoples remarks "

Not as much as everyone's laughing at you, adamant that the person who crossed the line first didn't win.

Nice try at deflection though, avoid the question and attack the respondent.

I'll ask again (3 times now) who won the Monaco grand prix?

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

Thats a bold statement, everyone !!!!!!! you know that for sure do you, you clever person

You have your views on whats classed as winning or being gifted a race by a.n. others cock up.

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over a year ago

"Thats a bold statement, everyone !!!!!!! you know that for sure do you, you clever person

You have your views on whats classed as winning or being gifted a race by a.n. others cock up.

Who won the Monaco grand prix?

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over a year ago

Craven Arms

"Thats a bold statement, everyone !!!!!!! you know that for sure do you, you clever person

You have your views on whats classed as winning or being gifted a race by a.n. others cock up.

Who won the Monaco grand prix?"

You have your views i have mine, why should i have to agree with you, i'm not asking you to agree with me !!!!!!!!!!!!

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

Google " playing chess with a pigeon"

I am bored with this now

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

"Google " playing chess with a pigeon"

I am bored with this now"

And i am,,,,,,,,, lmao

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Google " playing chess with a pigeon"

I am bored with this now"

I'm just trying to get to 175.

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over a year ago

"Thats a bold statement, everyone !!!!!!! you know that for sure do you, you clever person

You have your views on whats classed as winning or being gifted a race by a.n. others cock up.

Who won the Monaco grand prix?

You have your views i have mine, why should i have to agree with you, i'm not asking you to agree with me !!!!!!!!!!!!"

It's not "my" view.

Who won the Monaco grand prix?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Google " playing chess with a pigeon"

I am bored with this now"

BRB.......

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By *litheroevoyeurMan
over a year ago

Clitheroe

"Nah, your are still missing the fact that the first over the line is the winner, even when you don't like it.

I'd like to correct you, you are missing the point, i'm not saying he wasn't classed as the winner of the race, what i am saying is he didn't win it, Red Bull Team fucked up and gifted it to him."

No need to correct me I am not missing a point, simply disagreeing with you. Yes the team screwed up, Hamilton still had to maintain the pace and get his car over the line ahead of everyone else, thereby winning the race. You could argue that the Ferrari team strategy in Canada also gifted the race to the opposition, there too Hamilton crossed the line ahead of everyone else giving him another win.

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over a year ago

"Nah, your are still missing the fact that the first over the line is the winner, even when you don't like it.

I'd like to correct you, you are missing the point, i'm not saying he wasn't classed as the winner of the race, what i am saying is he didn't win it, Red Bull Team fucked up and gifted it to him.

Are you suggesting Hamilton won by crossing the finish line before anyone else?

That sort of logic will never catch on with some folk.....

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By *litheroevoyeurMan
over a year ago

Clitheroe

"Nah, your are still missing the fact that the first over the line is the winner, even when you don't like it.

I'd like to correct you, you are missing the point, i'm not saying he wasn't classed as the winner of the race, what i am saying is he didn't win it, Red Bull Team fucked up and gifted it to him.

Are you suggesting Hamilton won by crossing the finish line before anyone else?

That sort of logic will never catch on with some folk.....

I know, radical isn't it?

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By *oward1978Man
over a year ago

Rotherham

"Nah, your are still missing the fact that the first over the line is the winner, even when you don't like it.

I'd like to correct you, you are missing the point, i'm not saying he wasn't classed as the winner of the race, what i am saying is he didn't win it, Red Bull Team fucked up and gifted it to him.

You just don't get it do you?

Hamilton and his team did good strategy and took a risk that paid off ( and didn't fuck up) and won

Red Bull took a different strategy (and fucked up) and lost .

Simple.

Yeah, and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle

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over a year ago

"Nah, your are still missing the fact that the first over the line is the winner, even when you don't like it.

I'd like to correct you, you are missing the point, i'm not saying he wasn't classed as the winner of the race, what i am saying is he didn't win it, Red Bull Team fucked up and gifted it to him.

You just don't get it do you?

Hamilton and his team did good strategy and took a risk that paid off ( and didn't fuck up) and won

Red Bull took a different strategy (and fucked up) and lost .

Simple.

Yeah, and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle

Best post so far.

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over a year ago

"Nah, your are still missing the fact that the first over the line is the winner, even when you don't like it.

I'd like to correct you, you are missing the point, i'm not saying he wasn't classed as the winner of the race, what i am saying is he didn't win it, Red Bull Team fucked up and gifted it to him.

Are you suggesting Hamilton won by crossing the finish line before anyone else?

That sort of logic will never catch on with some folk.....

I know, radical isn't it?"

Some would say revolutionary.

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over a year ago

I'd like to say congratulations to Nico Rosberg for not winning the Baku Grand Prix at the weekend.

Well done Nico....

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"I'd like to say congratulations to Nico Rosberg for not winning the Baku Grand Prix at the weekend.

Well done Nico....

Yes, well done to Nico for having it gifted to him by Hamilton crashing in Q3.

On a more serious note, Perez is driving some good races at the moment.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

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over a year ago

"I'd like to say congratulations to Nico Rosberg for not winning the Baku Grand Prix at the weekend.

Well done Nico....

Yes, well done to Nico for having it gifted to him by Hamilton crashing in Q3.

On a more serious note, Perez is driving some good races at the moment."

That bloody Hamilton again.

Agreed about Perez. Great form at the moment.

It won't be long before another driver let's him win.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am watching the austrian highlights now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was a good race and hamilton won.

2nd max

3rd kimi

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over a year ago

"It was a good race and hamilton won.

2nd max

3rd kimi

Someone will be along soon to say Hamilton didn't win......

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By *arewithmeMan
over a year ago

Craven Arms

What a daft thing to say, Hamilton did win the race, even thought Rosberg tried his best to take him out.

Did you not see what happened !!

Well done Lewis

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over a year ago

"What a daft thing to say, Hamilton did win the race, even thought Rosberg tried his best to take him out.

Did you not see what happened !!

Well done Lewis"

Read the whole thread, not just the last post.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What a daft thing to say, Hamilton did win the race, even thought Rosberg tried his best to take him out.

Did you not see what happened !!

Well done Lewis

Read the whole thread, not just the last post.

We aren't still going on about this are we??? Who's shit stiring things up now?

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

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See above for your answer

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