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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Protests have been held around France as unions and young people joined forces to show their opposition to proposed labour reforms.

Youth organisations and unions were demonstrating on the same day as a rail strike over a wage dispute.

The proposed law would remove some of the protection workers enjoy against being laid off, in a bid to encourage businesses to hire more people

It seems the French have stomach and bottle to stand up for their rights and voice their opinion far better than any can even consider to do in the UK

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We the Uk used to stand our ground but no longer, we now bow our heads or indeed bury them in the sand

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France what was once considered a gutless nation with tanks that had one forward gear and 6 reverse now lead the way in protests.

are they right or wrong?

Will the UK ever grow balls again to protest?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I adore France. I only hope we don't end like them as they are in severe financial trouble. They need reforms out there before it all goes pop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Protests have been held around France as unions and young people joined forces to show their opposition to proposed labour reforms.

Youth organisations and unions were demonstrating on the same day as a rail strike over a wage dispute.

The proposed law would remove some of the protection workers enjoy against being laid off, in a bid to encourage businesses to hire more people

It seems the French have stomach and bottle to stand up for their rights and voice their opinion far better than any can even consider to do in the UK

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We the Uk used to stand our ground but no longer, we now bow our heads or indeed bury them in the sand

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France what was once considered a gutless nation with tanks that had one forward gear and 6 reverse now lead the way in protests.

are they right or wrong?

Will the UK ever grow balls again to protest?"

Brexit lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I adore France. I only hope we don't end like them as they are in severe financial trouble. They need reforms out there before it all goes pop."

What's the UK deficit again? It's not all roses that Osborne, Camoron and the BBC would have you believe.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I adore France. I only hope we don't end like them as they are in severe financial trouble. They need reforms out there before it all goes pop.

What's the UK deficit again? It's not all roses that Osborne, Camoron and the BBC would have you believe."

Just had a look at Europe Dept, it appears we are ninth in position with highest dept in EU before us are

Greece

Italy

Portugal

Cyprus

Belgium

Ireland

Spain

France

then us the UK

so???? why is it we pay highest cash into EU each day second only to Germany

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apologies for verging away from the France topic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you'll find the French have a few hundred years of protest against the establishment tucked firmly under their belts!.

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Apart from that I've got no idea where this concept of the French being surrender monkeys come from.

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If it wasn't for a few thousand French troops who fought to the death the British would never have got off the beach at Dunkirk losing 300,000 men in the process and effectively ending any resistance we would have had... So thank your lucky stars they didn't surrender

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's stick to what we're good at: queuing & moaning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I adore France. I only hope we don't end like them as they are in severe financial trouble. They need reforms out there before it all goes pop.

What's the UK deficit again? It's not all roses that Osborne, Camoron and the BBC would have you believe.

Just had a look at Europe Dept, it appears we are ninth in position with highest dept in EU before us are

Greece

Italy

Portugal

Cyprus

Belgium

Ireland

Spain

France

then us the UK

so???? why is it we pay highest cash into EU each day second only to Germany

?

?

apologies for verging away from the France topic "
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It's not sovereign debt killing the economy, it's private debt.

If you look the UK is about 5th in the world, which funnily enough is our gdp ranking as well... It's like debt and gdp are linked or summit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People in the uk are so scared to go it alone because they are scared what might or might not be around the corner

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

yeh but what about France

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"yeh but what about France"

Hope no body gets hurt..

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

The company I work for couldnt implement massive changes in France and Germany due to the works councils in those countries.

Every other country the company done pretty mutch what they wanted, but in France it has taken a lot longer and nothing can be approved till the employees agree to it

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I'm off to France next week

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

About time that they introduced more labour reforms

France, the country with a massive bloated bureaucracy; impossible to sack anyone no matter how incompetent you are; able to retire on a full pension at 55;

It's about time they entered the 21st century

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"About time that they introduced more labour reforms

France, the country with a massive bloated bureaucracy; impossible to sack anyone no matter how incompetent you are; able to retire on a full pension at 55;

It's about time they entered the 21st century "

fuck that

retiring on a full pension at age of 55 is something worth fighting for

well done the French,

I have to take a big cut in pension % wise to retire at 55 even with huge amount of AVC's paid in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"About time that they introduced more labour reforms

France, the country with a massive bloated bureaucracy; impossible to sack anyone no matter how incompetent you are; able to retire on a full pension at 55;

It's about time they entered the 21st century "
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They have entered it..... Just on their terms not yours

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By *otsoSnowWhiteWoman
over a year ago

My Ice Castle! South Wales

Fair play to the French they aren't scared to protest. One that sticks in my mind was when a manager was kidnapped and held to ransom in his office by the workers!

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By *piritsonfabCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham

You say that like it's a bad thing?

It's good to be able to rely in your job and a good pension. Better than having to work til you drop

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You say that like it's a bad thing?

It's good to be able to rely in your job and a good pension. Better than having to work til you drop "

But I thought WE in the UK wanted to work till we drop?

I mean Osborne wants to raise retirement age to 75 and the majority voted him in

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


"Let's stick to what we're good at: queuing & moaning"

..... and talking about the weather

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm all for peeps retiring on at 55 on a full pention with all of the benifits rail travel ect as long as they stay in the uk and spend thier money here! This keeping the money here and not sending it all abroad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello HandinHand500,

"retiring on a full pension at age of 55 is something worth fighting for"

Where on earth do you think the money will come from to pay for that?

Fine if you have your own pension scheme but I woul suggest you find out how much per month you would need to invest to finance it

Generous pension schemes of the past are part of the reason that the police, fire service and many other government bodies are so finacially strained.

Alec

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"The company I work for couldnt implement massive changes in France and Germany due to the works councils in those countries.

Every other country the company done pretty mutch what they wanted, but in France it has taken a lot longer and nothing can be approved till the employees agree to it "

i don't see anything wrong with the people who do the producing, those pesky workers having a strong and respected viewpoint within a company..

Germany has some of the best working relationships between management and the Unions, their gdp and productivity is an example of how it can work in a modern democracy for the benefit of all..

If many within this country had the same gumption as the French do and stood up for themselves instead of just moaning then maybe we might have less within this nation who are just apathetic moaners..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Hello HandinHand500,

"retiring on a full pension at age of 55 is something worth fighting for"

Where on earth do you think the money will come from to pay for that?

Fine if you have your own pension scheme but I woul suggest you find out how much per month you would need to invest to finance it

Generous pension schemes of the past are part of the reason that the police, fire service and many other government bodies are so finacially strained.

Alec"

Alec

you don't have to suggest that I look into and find out how much I need to pay in with AVC's to retire happily at 55 as I done this investigation many years ago

I have already mentioned in many previous threads that for every month you pay in £1200 of your net pay you get an extra £800 making it up to £2000 per month, I have done this for many years and usually £10k on top of that with April bonus;

but; I am sure you are also aware that the government has reduced the amount you can pay into a pension from £50k a year down to £40k a year

I started planning for retirement many years ago

And I still say good on the French and anyone else that fights their employers and government to ensure they can retire at the earliest age possible.

You work to live

you do not live to work

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have a nice day now Alec

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular


"About time that they introduced more labour reforms

France, the country with a massive bloated bureaucracy; impossible to sack anyone no matter how incompetent you are; able to retire on a full pension at 55;

It's about time they entered the 21st century "

You make it sound like a bad thing

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

A lot of nonsense and ignorance about French systems;

1. They don't retire at 55; ( some public servants could, but no longer; the earliest is 60, and in most cases it's 65/67.

2. French burocracy is far from bloated; and it is extremely efficient , just sometimes inflexible ; you can always get an instant and knowledgeable response from any government office.

21 century? The systems in place in France, for doing administration online, taxation, etc are light years ahead of the UK. As is their Health system.

3. Oh, and it's much easier to fire a worker in France than UK ( as long as you have the right evidence )

4. Despite the publicity surrounding strikes, the relationship between industrial manages and the workforce is extremely inclusive, and puts the adversarial workforce / management practices in UK to shame .

Ii know which country is in the 21st century; and which one is still in the 20th ( actually more like 19th century)

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

They are in front of us in the Dept league so they must be doing something wrong!!!!

perhaps its the 21st century dragging them down

best we stay in the 20th, or 19th as you suggest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I looked at this about a year ago back and if I remember correctly it's not quite all it seems.

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French sovereign debt is about 8% higher than the UK and the net debt is roughly the same.

However UK household debt is about 86% of gdp down from 91% during the 08 crises but starting to rise again.

French household debt to gdp is about 60% up from the low 40s after the 08 crises and has leveled off.

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Total debt to gdp ratios in the UK is about 550%

The French had about 350%.

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