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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

On-line streaming media services are facing a potential demand from the EU that 20% of offerings should be home grown.

Why? None of their business. Why should Netflix have to buy a load of crap Spanish films to offer a service in Spain?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On-line streaming media services are facing a potential demand from the EU that 20% of offerings should be home grown.

Why? None of their business. Why should Netflix have to buy a load of crap Spanish films to offer a service in Spain?"

Why would they buy the crap ones, when there are plenty of excellent Spanish movies made?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"On-line streaming media services are facing a potential demand from the EU that 20% of offerings should be home grown.

Why? None of their business. Why should Netflix have to buy a load of crap Spanish films to offer a service in Spain?

Why would they buy the crap ones, when there are plenty of excellent Spanish movies made?"

Regardless of taste (admiitedly, I am not Spanish), why try to curtail a service's offerings?

I am pretty sure Netflix knows what sells well in Spain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I watch Netflix for free... its all good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Regardless of taste (admiitedly, I am not Spanish), why try to curtail a service's offerings?

I am pretty sure Netflix knows what sells well in Spain."

Not knowing the real reasons behind a proposal like that, I'm guessing that they don't want to curtail services but rather ensure there's diversity in what's made and by whom.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

this is why i use free stuff. it's not legal so nobody who makes rules has a say in it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Regardless of taste (admiitedly, I am not Spanish), why try to curtail a service's offerings?

I am pretty sure Netflix knows what sells well in Spain.

Not knowing the real reasons behind a proposal like that, I'm guessing that they don't want to curtail services but rather ensure there's diversity in what's made and by whom."

Imposing diversity of film making? None of their business. I don't watch Netflix for diversity. I watch it for good films.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Spain makes some great films.

France already have a similar scheme regarding music and radio play

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Might be good for the film industry in said countries, I'm sure there are very talented writers in Spain, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, Austria, Nederland, I have a good friend who is a very talented artist and writer, and has just got a deal to publish his first graphic novel, but Lithuania isn't the first place you think of for writers is it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems like interferring nonesense to me xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where was the Netflix nuddy film "love" made?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't use these pay for rubbish.. i use a very good non payment individual that offers so much more including up to date usa series and cinema movies that are still to be released in the uk.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Might be good for the film industry in said countries, I'm sure there are very talented writers in Spain, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, Austria, Nederland, I have a good friend who is a very talented artist and writer, and has just got a deal to publish his first graphic novel, but Lithuania isn't the first place you think of for writers is it"

Talent is talent and will generally prevail. Without a stupid EU directive.

I watch something because I enjoy it and don't need an EU directive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Imposing diversity of film making? None of their business. I don't watch Netflix for diversity. I watch it for good films."

Which films are the good ones? The English-language ones that sell well?

It's natural that Netflix main concern is profit, but even they will be more sympathetic to the need for judging quality by factors other than money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Makes sense to me that to operate in a country you must also contribute to that country in a way. Providing a way for film makers to become more established on a larger scale seems like a good idea.

I like world cinema so I'd like the extra content that I would've otherwise missed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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over a year ago

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By *pa and dCouple
over a year ago

Barnet

Breaking news, 20% of all videos on sites like Pornhub must now be 'home made' say's EU Commissioner for filth

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Makes sense to me that to operate in a country you must also contribute to that country in a way. Providing a way for film makers to become more established on a larger scale seems like a good idea.

I like world cinema so I'd like the extra content that I would've otherwise missed. "

Commercial companies are not charities. They should not be made to buy films that they do not deem worthwhile.

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By *rincesscaracoupleCouple
over a year ago

Saltburn

I stream everything I watch I don't have a tv aerial or cable or sat box. Everything is from the internet and I have literally thousands of channels and don't have to pay media companies stupid amounts of money for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Commercial companies are not charities. They should not be made to buy films that they do not deem worthwhile."

You alluded to the fact, indirectly, that commercial companies will buy what they can sell for the most money.

I'd guess that even Netflix sees the value in helping to foster quality and commercially-risky filmmaking around the world. I doubt they want to operate in an industry where only blockbusters or those films you deem fit to watch get made.

I suspect your objection is more to do with the politics of it, so I'll leave it there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Should be ok if they used fake taxi to fill the homegrown content;-)

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Commercial companies are not charities. They should not be made to buy films that they do not deem worthwhile.

You alluded to the fact, indirectly, that commercial companies will buy what they can sell for the most money.

I suspect your objection is more to do with the politics of it, so I'll leave it there."

Its more to do with imposing silly conditions on commercial enterprises.

If I was a fan of French black-and-white films, and wished to set up a streaming service, why the heck would my customers in Germany want to see German films as well?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its more to do with imposing silly conditions on commercial enterprises.

If I was a fan of French black-and-white films, and wished to set up a streaming service, why the heck would my customers in Germany want to see German films as well?"

Is there a real-world service that resembles the company you describe in your analogy? I'd imagine the proposal would have the major players in mind, more so than small, niche operators.

I won't agree that the conditions are 'silly', for the reasons given previously.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Makes sense to me that to operate in a country you must also contribute to that country in a way. Providing a way for film makers to become more established on a larger scale seems like a good idea.

I like world cinema so I'd like the extra content that I would've otherwise missed.

Commercial companies are not charities. They should not be made to buy films that they do not deem worthwhile."

Following that logic they should not pay taxes that support social objectives or anything they do not think worthwhile.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Makes sense to me that to operate in a country you must also contribute to that country in a way. Providing a way for film makers to become more established on a larger scale seems like a good idea.

I like world cinema so I'd like the extra content that I would've otherwise missed.

Commercial companies are not charities. They should not be made to buy films that they do not deem worthwhile.

Following that logic they should not pay taxes that support social objectives or anything they do not think worthwhile."

I sign up to and pay for a service that provides me with films that I want to watch.

I don't want that service to be forced to buy films that don't appeal to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Makes sense to me that to operate in a country you must also contribute to that country in a way. Providing a way for film makers to become more established on a larger scale seems like a good idea.

I like world cinema so I'd like the extra content that I would've otherwise missed.

Commercial companies are not charities. They should not be made to buy films that they do not deem worthwhile.

Following that logic they should not pay taxes that support social objectives or anything they do not think worthwhile.

I sign up to and pay for a service that provides me with films that I want to watch.

I don't want that service to be forced to buy films that don't appeal to me."

If no genuine choice is provided then you are only choosing from what is provided. What about choice for non-English speaking Europeans who are paying for the service?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Makes sense to me that to operate in a country you must also contribute to that country in a way. Providing a way for film makers to become more established on a larger scale seems like a good idea.

I like world cinema so I'd like the extra content that I would've otherwise missed.

Commercial companies are not charities. They should not be made to buy films that they do not deem worthwhile.

Following that logic they should not pay taxes that support social objectives or anything they do not think worthwhile.

I sign up to and pay for a service that provides me with films that I want to watch.

I don't want that service to be forced to buy films that don't appeal to me.

If no genuine choice is provided then you are only choosing from what is provided. What about choice for non-English speaking Europeans who are paying for the service? "

If there is commercial demand for a film, then commerce dictates that it will be supplied.

If it is a crap film, who the feck is going to watch it? Why should a streaming service be compelled to provide content just to satisfy a 20% rule?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't want that service to be forced to buy films that don't appeal to me."

You do realise that for any service to survive, let alone get to the size of Netflix and the like, they have to appeal to more than one person?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't want that service to be forced to buy films that don't appeal to me.

You do realise that for any service to survive, let alone get to the size of Netflix and the like, they have to appeal to more than one person?"

Yes. And that being forced to show a percentage of local films may be a detriment to them. I'm pretty sure that Netflix is quite able to determine what films will be popular.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it is a crap film, who the feck is going to watch it?"

Who decides what is crap?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Makes sense to me that to operate in a country you must also contribute to that country in a way. Providing a way for film makers to become more established on a larger scale seems like a good idea.

I like world cinema so I'd like the extra content that I would've otherwise missed.

Commercial companies are not charities. They should not be made to buy films that they do not deem worthwhile."

I don't see why that would make them a charity. It'd help stop them (having the online streaming monopoly) from destroying film industries with lesser funding. It's good to enforce them to contribute to it.

Anyway, it's not necessarily that the films are "worthwhile", rather they don't have existing licensing agreements in place. They already upload drivel so I'm not sure they're entirely content driven.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Makes sense to me that to operate in a country you must also contribute to that country in a way. Providing a way for film makers to become more established on a larger scale seems like a good idea.

I like world cinema so I'd like the extra content that I would've otherwise missed.

Commercial companies are not charities. They should not be made to buy films that they do not deem worthwhile.

Following that logic they should not pay taxes that support social objectives or anything they do not think worthwhile.

I sign up to and pay for a service that provides me with films that I want to watch.

I don't want that service to be forced to buy films that don't appeal to me."

But they already are strong armed by certain distributors into buying shit films if they're to get the rights for better blockbuster films. At least this way, Indepedents are helped instead of large companies extorting money.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If it is a crap film, who the feck is going to watch it?

Who decides what is crap?"

Customers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm pretty sure that Netflix is quite able to determine what films will be popular."

Why would you limit the choices of movies you get to see to those that Netflix deem 'popular'?

It seems more than short-sighted to leave the cultural output of any country to commercial interests alone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it is a crap film, who the feck is going to watch it?

Who decides what is crap?

Customers."

Where would these customers get to see such films, before deciding that they were crap and not worthy of being seen by anyone else?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If I happened (and you never know) to be an ice cream van man, I would not welcome a regulation forcing me to buy 20% of my ice cream from a local vendor.

My business, my choice. I live or die by the ice cream I sell and someone else forcing my choice is not welcome. If there happens to be a local ice cream vendor making great ice cream at a reasonable price, then great, I will stock it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If I happened (and you never know) to be an ice cream van man, I would not welcome a regulation forcing me to buy 20% of my ice cream from a local vendor.

Yeh but if you were the only ice cream seller, and you got kickbacks from a distributor to sell only their ice cream, it'd be reviewed and you'd be asked to change your practice as regulations are in place to help breed competition.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If I happened (and you never know) to be an ice cream van man, I would not welcome a regulation forcing me to buy 20% of my ice cream from a local vendor.

You don't consider there to be a difference between ice-cream and a nation's cultural output?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyway, you know it's probably around 20% European content currently? If it's such an issue now, why are you using it as a service?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeh but if you were the only ice cream seller, and you got kickbacks from a distributor to sell only their ice cream, it'd be reviewed and you'd be asked to change your practice as regulations are in place to help breed competition. "

Indeed, and to help breed innovation.

Seeing movies by the same, reliably-bankable names and studios, sounds dull.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If I happened (and you never know) to be an ice cream van man, I would not welcome a regulation forcing me to buy 20% of my ice cream from a local vendor.

You don't consider there to be a difference between ice-cream and a nation's cultural output?"

No. Whether I am a sole trader or a big company, I make profit by selling good products. The nation of origin of those products is not a determining factor (unless the origin is repulsive).

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