FabSwingers.com forum: Sociopaths

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What are your experiences with them?

Which ways have you found helpful in dealing with sociopaths you cannot avoid?

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By *moothies.Couple
over a year ago

Woodthorpe

A dart gun

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Of the plain variety?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A gun and a shovel and a few hours away from prying eyes

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By *moothies.Couple
over a year ago

Woodthorpe

"Of the plain variety?

Do they come in salt and vinegar then?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Of the plain variety?

Do they come in salt and vinegar then?

Or cheese & onion.

Was thinking more like plain or venomous types..

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By *moothies.Couple
over a year ago

Woodthorpe

"Of the plain variety?

Do they come in salt and vinegar then?

Or cheese & onion.

Was thinking more like plain or venomous types..

Just long enough to get them to a safe place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Of the plain variety?

Do they come in salt and vinegar then?

Or cheese & onion.

Was thinking more like plain or venomous types..

Just long enough to get them to a safe place

Safe place might take a while to find, 2+ years is it to fly to Mars?

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

I've met many in my line of work. However they were termed psychopaths. Interchangeable term to be fair.

Most think there are more intelligent than they are. I personally likened it to working in a nursery school as they were all very much like children...with added violent or sexual crimes to their names.

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

From your line of work would it be easy to detect or needs training ? There was a good horizon programme about this.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I've met many in my line of work. However they were termed psychopaths. Interchangeable term to be fair.

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

I can spot them a mile off as I've worked with them for 12 years. However, most are working in banks/high end management etc. Have a read of snakes in suits.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

They've got what it takes to get there don't they?

There's winning, and there's winning..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can spot them a mile off as I've worked with them for 12 years. However, most are working in banks/high end management etc. Have a read of snakes in suits. "

Most psychopaths are sub normal intelligence.

Same as most brain abnormalities.

There are a few with high intelligence but theyre rare.

The ones in business aren't full on psychopaths they're more sociopaths with blunted but still existing empathy/understanding.

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"I can spot them a mile off as I've worked with them for 12 years. However, most are working in banks/high end management etc. Have a read of snakes in suits.

Most psychopaths are sub normal intelligence.

Same as most brain abnormalities.

There are a few with high intelligence but theyre rare.

The ones in business aren't full on psychopaths they're more sociopaths with blunted but still existing empathy/understanding.

Contrary to what they believe about themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can spot them a mile off as I've worked with them for 12 years. However, most are working in banks/high end management etc. Have a read of snakes in suits.

Most psychopaths are sub normal intelligence.

Same as most brain abnormalities.

There are a few with high intelligence but theyre rare.

The ones in business aren't full on psychopaths they're more sociopaths with blunted but still existing empathy/understanding.

Contrary to what they believe about themselves. "

Well yeah, they tend to be narssicistic/superior but then so would you be if you where only capable of comprehending you're own feelings.

You'd be the only human in a world of insects from your perspective

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"I can spot them a mile off as I've worked with them for 12 years. However, most are working in banks/high end management etc. Have a read of snakes in suits.

Most psychopaths are sub normal intelligence.

Same as most brain abnormalities.

There are a few with high intelligence but theyre rare.

The ones in business aren't full on psychopaths they're more sociopaths with blunted but still existing empathy/understanding.

Contrary to what they believe about themselves.

Well yeah, they tend to be narssicistic/superior but then so would you be if you where only capable of comprehending you're own feelings.

You'd be the only human in a world of insects from your perspective "

Indeed

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"I can spot them a mile off as I've worked with them for 12 years. However, most are working in banks/high end management etc. Have a read of snakes in suits.

Most psychopaths are sub normal intelligence.

Same as most brain abnormalities.

There are a few with high intelligence but theyre rare.

The ones in business aren't full on psychopaths they're more sociopaths with blunted but still existing empathy/understanding.

Contrary to what they believe about themselves.

Well yeah, they tend to be narssicistic/superior but then so would you be if you where only capable of comprehending you're own feelings.

You'd be the only human in a world of insects from your perspective "

You've met all my ex then

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I had a friend who turned out to be a psycopath and it wasnt until he did what he did and the full story came out. I had no idea and nor did any of his other friends

We went over everything and still couldnt think of anything we could of picked up on that would of caused suspicion.

He was very good

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Psychopathy seems to be easily mingled with sociopathy.

Former, lacking empathy or morality. The latter, who may not lack abiltiy to empathise, but their moral compass may seem a little off from most..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Psychopathy seems to be easily mingled with sociopathy.

Former, lacking empathy or morality. The latter, who may not lack abiltiy to empathise, but their moral compass may seem a little off from most.."

Most of it is people just love to tac mental illness diagnoses onto people who are just asshole.

I think it's because people find it comforting to think that there must be something wrong with a person to act in such a way rather than beliving that human beings, even perfectly sane ones, can be horrifically evil cunts.

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath "

You've not met my ex-wife then x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath "

Genuine sociopath.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

I tend to meet a lot more people with autistic traits who have gone undiagnosed

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath "

They may cover it well.

Like many human traits, you're potentially going to find people existing somewhere along a scale, a continuum. Rather than black or white, there'll be some grey.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can spot them a mile off as I've worked with them for 12 years. However, most are working in banks/high end management etc. Have a read of snakes in suits. "

And the Jon Ronson book about psychopaths and their relative prevalence in the same banks and businesses. Enlightening...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've just read the Oxford English dictionary definition of sociopath.

It reads

Sociopath, see (doctors receptionist)

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Why do I get the feeling this thread was intended for someone specific to read?

Hmmmmm.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Why do I get the feeling this thread was intended for someone specific to read?

Hmmmmm.

Isn't most of them when they are a question like this then it slowly unravels....

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

I married a sociopath..horrid experience. His inability to relate to people now effects my grown up kids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do I get the feeling this thread was intended for someone specific to read?

Hmmmmm.

Isn't most of them when they are a question like this then it slowly unravels....

Will the real sociopath please stand up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Morning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did I miss something?

Being superior isn't what it's cracked up to be when you are surrounded by insignificant worms....

Morning x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive heard it said that people rising to the top of corporations and organisations have sociopathic personalities. Come to think of it Ive met quite a few.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have 2 kids with someone who is diagnosed a sociopath. And i'm sure my last ex was a covert one, and pretty sure my dad is one as well especially as my mum comes off as co-dependent with CPTSD. I know these people really well and basing it off what i've learned in the past 10 months about sociopaths and my experiences.

Grey rock is how you deal with them, show as little emotion around them as possible and make yourself very uninteresting to them. No contact at all is preferable if they're causing you problems because they are usually complete cunts but oblivious to that fact and will do anything to fuck you up if jealous of you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im too lazy to google.. what is one?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have 2 kids with someone who is diagnosed a sociopath. And i'm sure my last ex was a covert one, and pretty sure my dad is one as well especially as my mum comes off as co-dependent with CPTSD. I know these people really well and basing it off what i've learned in the past 10 months about sociopaths and my experiences.

I know a few like that I ignore them and you can see it eats them up even more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Psychopathy seems to be easily mingled with sociopathy.

Former, lacking empathy or morality. The latter, who may not lack abiltiy to empathise, but their moral compass may seem a little off from most.."

They have no moral compass. If they do anything that seems like it's done with integrity it is for a reason that benefits themselves and to fool others.

If it's someone you know at work then you're better off getting other staff to back up that you're being abused, failing that look for another job and leave that one, explaining why you left after you're safely away from the pyscho.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know a few like that I ignore them and you can see it eats them up even more."

An added bonus i suppose. But you do this to protect yourself.

They're sadists who don't ask your consent to playing their fucked up games.

Show any sign of weakness, being nice or kind and things like that are weak to them, and they are so in there abusing you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sociopathy is not a diagnostic term in the UK - and is no longer listed in the ICD-10 or the DSM-V. Though it is often still used colloquially, it is usually mistaken, or interchangeable, with psychopathy (which is also much misunderstood and overused). True diagnosed psychpaths are far less common than many people think and, interestingly, are more likely to have come from seemingly "decent" backgrounds and families.

Anti-Social Personality Disorder is the nearest modern diagnostic catchment for those traditionally thought of as "sociopaths".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sociopathy is not a diagnostic term in the UK - and is no longer listed in the ICD-10 or the DSM-V. Though it is often still used colloquially, it is usually mistaken, or interchangeable, with psychopathy (which is also much misunderstood and overused). True diagnosed psychpaths are far less common than many people think and, interestingly, are more likely to have come from seemingly "decent" backgrounds and families.

Anti-Social Personality Disorder is the nearest modern diagnostic catchment for those traditionally thought of as "sociopaths"."

Social services used that term for my ex. I've still got the papers. Didn't even know what a sociopath was then but i knew it wasn't anything good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anti-Social Personality Disorder is the nearest modern diagnostic catchment for those traditionally thought of as "sociopaths".

Social services used that term for my ex. I've still got the papers. Didn't even know what a sociopath was then but i knew it wasn't anything good."

I certainly wasn't meaning to diminish your experience, which sounds awful.

Either way, it's not good - although ASPD is treatable through therapy (the patient must wanted to be treated, of course). There is far more research and resource going into this area than ever before, albeit still a drop in the ocean.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Most psychopaths are sub normal intelligence."

That is not so. Most psychopaths are highly intelligent. It is why they are able to live in society without being noticed.

"Same as most brain abnormalities."

Actually most brain abnormalities effect behaviour, not intelligence.

"There are a few with high intelligence but theyre rare."

Wrong again, see above. But just to help you in case you missed it the first time most psychopaths are highly intelligent (that is why the ones who become killers can evade capture for so long) and also highly charismatic.

"The ones in business aren't full on psychopaths they're more sociopaths with blunted but still existing empathy/understanding.

Actually part of the definition of a psychopath is blunted or lack of empathy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anti-Social Personality Disorder is the nearest modern diagnostic catchment for those traditionally thought of as "sociopaths".

Social services used that term for my ex. I've still got the papers. Didn't even know what a sociopath was then but i knew it wasn't anything good.

I certainly wasn't meaning to diminish your experience, which sounds awful.

No i didn't think you did, but yeah that was my experience.

Apparently narcissism is only just being known about in the psychiatric world and studied recently. But from what i've learned about it recently myself, and from seeing the papers i'm on about i know SS knew about it at least 10 years ago and were using similar terms.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Most psychopaths are sub normal intelligence.

That is not so. Most psychopaths are highly intelligent. It is why they are able to live in society without being noticed.

Same as most brain abnormalities.

Actually most brain abnormalities effect behaviour, not intelligence.

There are a few with high intelligence but theyre rare.

The ones in business aren't full on psychopaths they're more sociopaths with blunted but still existing empathy/understanding.

Actually part of the definition of a psychopath is blunted or lack of empathy."

As with a narcissist and no doubt borderline.... there is so much overlap it is hard to distinguish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Psychapathy is an emotional disability, not an intellectual one.

Psychopaths have broadly the same range of intellectual abilities as the rest of us. There may be some sway towards extra educational attainment but most research shows this is anecdotal rather than methodological.

Blunted emotions and lack of remorse are definitely features.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm pretty sure I've known a sociopath in the past... however, I didn't actually put two and two together until I read a list of symptoms and every symptom lined up with that person.

But that taught me how to deal with her and she's not bothered me since

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Google told me psychopaths do not understand and or care about your feelings, but they're great at pretending they do.

Google told me sociopaths understand and care about your feelings a tiny bit, but not enough to stop them hurting you to get what they want.

TSH

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Google told me psychopaths do not understand and or care about your feelings, but they're great at pretending they do.

Google told me sociopaths understand and care about your feelings a tiny bit, but not enough to stop them hurting you to get what they want.

TSH

Blimey TSH, you aren't just a pretty arse

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Psychopaths have broadly the same range of intellectual abilities as the rest of us. There may be some sway towards extra educational attainment but most research shows this is anecdotal rather than methodological."

Please correct me if I am wrong...

But I believe that the studies throughout the world that have used Cardril IQ tests have found much higher than average, average scores with people diagnosed as being psychopathic and bi polar (which shares many of the same symptoms) which is why many are not diagnosed until they fall foul of the criminal justice system.

Also lack of empathy does not mean lack of intellectual understanding as many seem to think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Google told me psychopaths do not understand and or care about your feelings, but they're great at pretending they do.

Google told me sociopaths understand and care about your feelings a tiny bit, but not enough to stop them hurting you to get what they want.

TSH

Blimey TSH, you aren't just a pretty arse

Knowledge is power, sluts dig power.

Besides I find the human psyche interesting, I can now master a whole range of emotions. Horny, hungry and awesome.

TSH

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please correct me if I am wrong...

Also lack of empathy does not mean lack of intellectual understanding as many seem to think."

The sociopath i know can't read or write. He had the intelligence to hide that well though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Most psychopaths are sub normal intelligence.

That is not so. Most psychopaths are highly intelligent. It is why they are able to live in society without being noticed.

Same as most brain abnormalities.

Actually most brain abnormalities effect behaviour, not intelligence.

There are a few with high intelligence but theyre rare.

The ones in business aren't full on psychopaths they're more sociopaths with blunted but still existing empathy/understanding.

Actually part of the definition of a psychopath is blunted or lack of empathy.

As with a narcissist and no doubt borderline.... there is so much overlap it is hard to distinguish. "

Affective empathy - ability to sense other people's emotions, cognitive empathy - ability to know why people feel the way they do.

Borderlines tend to be overwhelmed with the first but can lack the second.

So a Borderlines brain will be screaming at her someone doesn't like her, but she might not understand why. So she will spend a lot of time in mental anguish as she is overwhelmed with the dislike she feels from the other person.

Borderlines do feel empathy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

haha suddenly fab is filled with people able to diagnose sociopaths.Arent you just a little bit deluded thinking you can ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"haha suddenly fab is filled with people able to diagnose sociopaths.Arent you just a little bit deluded thinking you can ?"

Google is a wonderful tool.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"haha suddenly fab is filled with people able to diagnose sociopaths.Arent you just a little bit deluded thinking you can ?

Google is a wonderful tool."
haha peoples uninformed unqualified diagnosing of socio/psychopaths often seems to just be someone they couldn't get their way with

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I've worked with all kinds of people with mental health conditions of various shades over the years.

I worked with three sociopaths. Two I knew about the diagnosis before hand, one I did not.

In all three cases I had the distinct uneasy feeling that I did not want to be left alone with this individual.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've worked with all kinds of people with mental health conditions of various shades over the years.

I worked with three sociopaths. Two I knew about the diagnosis before hand, one I did not.

In all three cases I had the distinct uneasy feeling that I did not want to be left alone with this individual. "

Really, it felt like you was trying hard to be left alone with me.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"haha suddenly fab is filled with people able to diagnose sociopaths.Arent you just a little bit deluded thinking you can ?"

I am bipolar, bipolar disorder (used to be called manic depression) is quite often misdiagnosed as schizophrenia, both are psychotic illnesses. So I for one have a little knowledge of the subject.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I've worked with all kinds of people with mental health conditions of various shades over the years.

I worked with three sociopaths. Two I knew about the diagnosis before hand, one I did not.

In all three cases I had the distinct uneasy feeling that I did not want to be left alone with this individual.

Really, it felt like you was trying hard to be left alone with me."

What makes you think you'd be safe?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Google "dark triad personality test" and tell us the results

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"haha suddenly fab is filled with people able to diagnose sociopaths.Arent you just a little bit deluded thinking you can ?"

i was in a relationship with one, pretty sure i've been brought up by one.

sorry if you think over 20 yrs of experience of living something and have the ability to correlate is of no importance whatsoever.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Google "dark triad personality test" and tell us the results

Just for you...

3.1

3.3

2.7

And I may have toned down some of my replies...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Google "dark triad personality test" and tell us the results

1.9

3.4

2.2

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've worked with all kinds of people with mental health conditions of various shades over the years.

I worked with three sociopaths. Two I knew about the diagnosis before hand, one I did not.

In all three cases I had the distinct uneasy feeling that I did not want to be left alone with this individual. "

Which is unusual, because normally you're happy to jump on anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please correct me if I am wrong...

Also lack of empathy does not mean lack of intellectual understandin

g as many seem to think."

It certainly used to be the case that.psychopaths were thought of as intellectually superior, but my understanding it that particularly since the work of Robert Hare early this century that thinking has been revised. The two main diagnostic tools for psychopathy in this country are the PCL-R and the Hare. Whilst it is true that some people with ASPD are erroneously diagnosed with bi-polar early in.life, I wouldn't necessarily relate the symptoms of one with the other.

Although I work in this area, expertise is an objective word - but, like everything else, there's a lot of crap on the interweb

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Google "dark triad personality test" and tell us the results

1.9

3.4

2.2"

Less high on the narcissistic trait than I might have imagined.

I'm more psychopathic than you

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I've worked with all kinds of people with mental health conditions of various shades over the years.

I worked with three sociopaths. Two I knew about the diagnosis before hand, one I did not.

In all three cases I had the distinct uneasy feeling that I did not want to be left alone with this individual.

Which is unusual, because normally you're happy to jump on anyone.

I'm just misunderstood

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Google "dark triad personality test" and tell us the results

1.9

3.4

2.2

Less high on the narcissistic trait than I might have imagined.

I'm more psychopathic than you

But my manipulation skills can manipulate people into thinking I'm narcissistic, or caring, or interested in them.

This is like fab super villain top trumps.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Google "dark triad personality test" and tell us the results

1.9

3.4

2.2

Less high on the narcissistic trait than I might have imagined.

I'm more psychopathic than you

But my manipulation skills can manipulate people into thinking I'm narcissistic, or caring, or interested in them.

This is like fab super villain top trumps."

Don't you have a Top Trump?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's easy to spot the narcissistic people, just count the number of selfies they put on Facebook

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"Most psychopaths are sub normal intelligence.

That is not so. Most psychopaths are highly intelligent. It is why they are able to live in society without being noticed.

Same as most brain abnormalities.

Actually most brain abnormalities effect behaviour, not intelligence.

There are a few with high intelligence but theyre rare.

The ones in business aren't full on psychopaths they're more sociopaths with blunted but still existing empathy/understanding.

Actually part of the definition of a psychopath is blunted or lack of empathy."

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"haha suddenly fab is filled with people able to diagnose sociopaths.Arent you just a little bit deluded thinking you can ?

I am bipolar, bipolar disorder (used to be called manic depression) is quite often misdiagnosed as schizophrenia, both are psychotic illnesses. So I for one have a little knowledge of the subject.

I don't quite get that. Why because you are bipolar does that mean you can diagnose a sociopath

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Google "dark triad personality test" and tell us the results

1.9

3.4

2.2

Less high on the narcissistic trait than I might have imagined.

I'm more psychopathic than you

But my manipulation skills can manipulate people into thinking I'm narcissistic, or caring, or interested in them.

This is like fab super villain top trumps.

Don't you have a Top Trump?

Na, I keep seeing them though.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Please correct me if I am wrong...

Also lack of empathy does not mean lack of intellectual understandin

g as many seem to think.

Although I work in this area, expertise is an objective word - but, like everything else, there's a lot of crap on the interweb

What about self-reflection?? Self-aware narcs are very rare - what about sociopaths and psychopaths?? I would guess the former is more likely to be aware of what they are??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well a diagnosed sociopath certainly wouldn't reply on a thread like this.

Or would they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

2.6

3.6

2.7

That doesn't look good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Inight is a difficulty for anybody with maladapted personalities.

They may well be intellectually aware, and have read hundreds of books and articles on the subject - indeed many psychopaths wear the label as a badge of honour - but until insight is gained and accepted there is no pathway to "recovery" (hate that word).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"2.6

3.6

2.7

That doesn't look good

You trumped me for manipulation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That Dark Triad thing is utter crap btw

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please correct me if I am wrong...

Also lack of empathy does not mean lack of intellectual understandin

g as many seem to think.

Although I work in this area, expertise is an objective word - but, like everything else, there's a lot of crap on the interweb

What about self-reflection?? Self-aware narcs are very rare - what about sociopaths and psychopaths?? I would guess the former is more likely to be aware of what they are??"

My dad is oblivious to whatever he is. He is totally hypocritical and will slag other people off for something that he does himself. He is very derogatory and tries to project things he does onto others.

Idk about my ex i don't talk to him and don't want to.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Idk about my ex i don't talk to him and don't want to."

Yes, I think all three will project onto others to guard themselves.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"Inight is a difficulty for anybody with maladapted personalities.

Hmm, interesting marker then.

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over a year ago

Idk about my ex i don't talk to him and don't want to.

Yes, I think all three will project onto others to guard themselves."

I noticed my nephew does it in a way that protects himself. Like when his mum tells him off he will distract her by saying someone else did something naughty. My dad isn't doing this.

He actually slags off someone for doing what he did, in a way that makes it seem like he is totally unaware he does that himself. It's weird/disturbing to see.

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over a year ago

"Most psychopaths are sub normal intelligence.

That is not so. Most psychopaths are highly intelligent. It is why they are able to live in society without being noticed.

Same as most brain abnormalities.

Actually most brain abnormalities effect behaviour, not intelligence.

There are a few with high intelligence but theyre rare.

The ones in business aren't full on psychopaths they're more sociopaths with blunted but still existing empathy/understanding.

Actually part of the definition of a psychopath is blunted or lack of empathy."

Nope.

Most do not fit in with society or go for a long time without being caught most end up in and out of prision on petty crime and assult charges over and over.

Cause they lack impulse control they get angry they beat somone up they get picked up over and over

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"Most psychopaths are sub normal intelligence.

That is not so. Most psychopaths are highly intelligent. It is why they are able to live in society without being noticed.

Same as most brain abnormalities.

Actually most brain abnormalities effect behaviour, not intelligence.

There are a few with high intelligence but theyre rare.

The ones in business aren't full on psychopaths they're more sociopaths with blunted but still existing empathy/understanding.

Actually part of the definition of a psychopath is blunted or lack of empathy.

Nope.

Most do not fit in with society or go for a long time without being caught most end up in and out of prision on petty crime and assult charges over and over.

Cause they lack impulse control they get angry they beat somone up they get picked up over and over "

Where are you getting your information? You seem to be generalising a lot. Most actually do fit in with society and relatively few end up in the prison system

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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Idk about my ex i don't talk to him and don't want to.

Yes, I think all three will project onto others to guard themselves.

I noticed my nephew does it in a way that protects himself. Like when his mum tells him off he will distract her by saying someone else did something naughty. My dad isn't doing this.

He actually slags off someone for doing what he did, in a way that makes it seem like he is totally unaware he does that himself. It's weird/disturbing to see."

That's still a protection mechanism of some kind though - it can be a direct projection outwards of that which he most (unconsciously) despises about himself, or a barrier to intimacy, a justification for keeping such 'flawed' people at arms length.....something.

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over a year ago

"Most psychopaths are sub normal intelligence.

That is not so. Most psychopaths are highly intelligent. It is why they are able to live in society without being noticed.

Same as most brain abnormalities.

Actually most brain abnormalities effect behaviour, not intelligence.

There are a few with high intelligence but theyre rare.

The ones in business aren't full on psychopaths they're more sociopaths with blunted but still existing empathy/understanding.

Actually part of the definition of a psychopath is blunted or lack of empathy.

Nope.

Most do not fit in with society or go for a long time without being caught most end up in and out of prision on petty crime and assult charges over and over.

Cause they lack impulse control they get angry they beat somone up they get picked up over and over "

My dad has managed to stay out of prison. He does have control when it suits him, if it was one of us kids he did not have it or need it because my mum never stopped him and neither did any of us kids coz we were kids. My dad has hardly ever attacked anyone else outside of his own kids that i know of.

My diagnosed ex has been in and out of prison but since his diagnosis he seems to be doing better and hasn't been back inside.

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over a year ago

Idk about my ex i don't talk to him and don't want to.

Yes, I think all three will project onto others to guard themselves.

I noticed my nephew does it in a way that protects himself. Like when his mum tells him off he will distract her by saying someone else did something naughty. My dad isn't doing this.

He actually slags off someone for doing what he did, in a way that makes it seem like he is totally unaware he does that himself. It's weird/disturbing to see.

ok thanks. it can get confusing using the same word for what seems like different things.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

This thread has turned hilerious. But i have found out im qualified to diagnos a sociopath because i have bi polar

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over a year ago

"It's easy to spot the narcissistic people, just count the number of selfies they put on Facebook"

Hahahaha this! My husband and I knew a narcissist through work. She is VERY good at what she does. Everything is about her but she has amazing people skills and manipulates people to be in her little gang, so when she boots someone out of her social circle, she has back up.

She will attract anyone she thinks she can use to her own ends, and ditch them when they either become useless, or when they find out what she really is/does.

It was fascinating to be a part of and watch the process. And OMG the selfies she took, over and over, and the obsession with her looks and growing older was shocking!

It was really sad though, and we all felt for her husband.

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over a year ago

According to the BBC version of the dark triad test (it was the only one I could find. Google is not my friend) I'm moderately nefarious. I walk on the dark side of humanity but my ruthless streak helps me to get ahead

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over a year ago

"Most psychopaths are sub normal intelligence.

That is not so. Most psychopaths are highly intelligent. It is why they are able to live in society without being noticed.

Same as most brain abnormalities.

Actually most brain abnormalities effect behaviour, not intelligence.

There are a few with high intelligence but theyre rare.

The ones in business aren't full on psychopaths they're more sociopaths with blunted but still existing empathy/understanding.

Actually part of the definition of a psychopath is blunted or lack of empathy.

Nope.

Most do not fit in with society or go for a long time without being caught most end up in and out of prision on petty crime and assult charges over and over.

Cause they lack impulse control they get angry they beat somone up they get picked up over and over

Where are you getting your information? You seem to be generalising a lot. Most actually do fit in with society and relatively few end up in the prison system "

He seems to be describing ASPD rather than psychopathy. There are various estimates as to the ratio of ASPD sufferers in the Criminal Justice System - but I have seen figures suggesting up to 70% of those seen by Mental Health In-Reach Teams could be diagnosed this way. Something like 1 in 5 of those will register as possibly psychopathic - mostly petty criminals. Lifers comparatively rarely cross paths with mental Health services.

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over a year ago

"It's easy to spot the narcissistic people, just count the number of selfies they put on Facebook

She will attract anyone she thinks she can use to her own ends, and ditch them when they either become useless, or when they find out what she really is/does.

It was fascinating to be a part of and watch the process. And OMG the selfies she took, over and over, and the obsession with her looks and growing older was shocking!

It was really sad though, and we all felt for her husband.

To be honest I don't mind working for a psychopath! At least you know that they want something from you and as long as you supply it then you are cool. I'm much more comfortable with that than people who are apparently nice for no reason, other than considering themselves a 'nice person' because those are the emotional fuck wits who tend to be less predictable and throw a wobbly when you forget their fucking birthday or something mundane like that.

I'd rather people that you know where you stand - in work anyway.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Read: Ron Johnson's The Psychopath Test

"Ronson visits purported psychopaths, as well as psychologists and psychiatrists who have studied them, particularly Canadian psychologist Robert D. Hare, the eponymous author of the Hare Psychopathy Checklist, a 20-part test administered to detect psychopathy. Ronson explores the idea that many corporate and governmental leaders are psychopaths whose actions to others can only be explained by taking that fact into account, and he privately uses the Hare test to determine if he can discern any truth to it."

NB: Robert Hare completely disowned this book

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thank you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I married a sociopath..horrid experience. His inability to relate to people now effects my grown up kids."

That's unfortunate it's passed onto your children.

They'll probably out grow it..

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over a year ago

Thank you. "

be careful though, they're very manipulative and can be sneaky and it's not always obvious to anyone else what they are and what they are up to.

they can be dangerous if you've cottoned onto them and try to deal with them.

my ex went round telling everyone i'd stopped him from seeing his kids when it was just him not bothering to turn up to see them and using me as an excuse for his poor behaviour.

and he smashed my windows when i went to visit family one christmas then fixed it like he was doing me favour and to make himself look 'nice' to other people.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Psychopathy seems to be easily mingled with sociopathy.

Former, lacking empathy or morality. The latter, who may not lack abiltiy to empathise, but their moral compass may seem a little off from most..

They have no moral compass. If they do anything that seems like it's done with integrity it is for a reason that benefits themselves and to fool others.

That's where it's interesting, deciding whether it's psychopathy or sociopathy..

Both lack ability to empathise, but seems sociopaths have that ability, just their morality may appear odd..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Anti-Social Personality Disorder is the nearest modern diagnostic catchment for those traditionally thought of as "sociopaths"."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Psychapathy is an emotional disability, not an intellectual one.

Blunted emotions and lack of remorse are definitely features."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm pretty sure I've known a sociopath in the past... however, I didn't actually put two and two together until I read a list of symptoms and every symptom lined up with that person.

But that taught me how to deal with her and she's not bothered me since

That's how I started looking into these conditions. But not being a professional (pro cake lover though), it's difficult to differentiate the two..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I've worked with all kinds of people with mental health conditions of various shades over the years.

I worked with three sociopaths. Two I knew about the diagnosis before hand, one I did not.

In all three cases I had the distinct uneasy feeling that I did not want to be left alone with this individual. "

Hey brother, shoot me a PM please? Cheers

Owe you cake..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"haha suddenly fab is filled with people able to diagnose sociopaths.Arent you just a little bit deluded thinking you can ?

I am bipolar, bipolar disorder (used to be called manic depression) is quite often misdiagnosed as schizophrenia, both are psychotic illnesses. So I for one have a little knowledge of the subject.

I'm glad you're (& everyone) able to share your experiences. Thank you..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no problem with them, but then I may be one myself.

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By *ildt123Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield

Please correct me if I am wrong...

Also lack of empathy does not mean lack of intellectual understanding as many seem to think."

Sorry but psychopathy and Bi-polar disorder are very different things. The first is in the personality disorder group of diagnosis the latter is a mental illness in the psychosis category. Very different in terms of presentation and treatment and prognosis.

As mentioned we don't use Sociopath here anymore ASPD is the term here Psychopath is a much used term often wrongly but this sort of sums it up:

Psychopaths, on the other hand, are unable to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy with others, although they often have disarming or even charming personalities. Psychopaths are very manipulative and can easily gain people’s trust. They learn to mimic emotions, despite their inability to actually feel them, and will appear normal to unsuspecting people. Psychopaths are often well educated and hold steady jobs. Some are so good at manipulation and mimicry that they have families and other long-term relationships without those around them ever suspecting their true nature.

The mass murderer types are more dangerous Severe psychopathic disorder and are very rare. I have met maybe two in 30 years.

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over a year ago

"I've met many in my line of work. However they were termed psychopaths. Interchangeable term to be fair.

Except children have empathy and are not damaged goods yet. One has to be completely fucked beyond a point of no return before they can be deemed either a sociopath or psychopath.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I've met many in my line of work. However they were termed psychopaths. Interchangeable term to be fair.

Except children have empathy and are not damaged goods yet. One has to be completely fucked beyond a point of no return before they can be deemed either a sociopath or psychopath."

I dunno.

In my career I've met a handful of children - aged 6-12 - and thought, that one's just wrong.

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over a year ago

"I've met many in my line of work. However they were termed psychopaths. Interchangeable term to be fair.

Except children have empathy and are not damaged goods yet. One has to be completely fucked beyond a point of no return before they can be deemed either a sociopath or psychopath."

Not all of them and not being diagnosed until they are at least 18 and have fucked up theirs or someone else's life doesn't help a child sociopath,or it's parents.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Please correct me if I am wrong...

Also lack of empathy does not mean lack of intellectual understanding as many seem to think.

As mentioned we don't use Sociopath here anymore ASPD is the term here Psychopath is a much used term often wrongly but this sort of sums it up:

But that also applies to the narcissist.

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over a year ago

"I've met many in my line of work. However they were termed psychopaths. Interchangeable term to be fair.

Except children have empathy and are not damaged goods yet. One has to be completely fucked beyond a point of no return before they can be deemed either a sociopath or psychopath.

I dunno.

In my career I've met a handful of children - aged 6-12 - and thought, that one's just wrong.

I have one in the family and getting help is not happening.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"I've met many in my line of work. However they were termed psychopaths. Interchangeable term to be fair.

Except children have empathy and are not damaged goods yet. One has to be completely fucked beyond a point of no return before they can be deemed either a sociopath or psychopath.

I dunno.

In my career I've met a handful of children - aged 6-12 - and thought, that one's just wrong.

Most children who are gonna get fucked up are fucked up before 6 anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Please correct me if I am wrong...

Also lack of empathy does not mean lack of intellectual understandin

g as many seem to think.

Although I work in this area, expertise is an objective word - but, like everything else, there's a lot of crap on the interweb

Shifting through the crap, still..

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over a year ago

"Except children have empathy and are not damaged goods yet. One has to be completely fucked beyond a point of no return before they can be deemed either a sociopath or psychopath."

There is a tendency in modern society to pick an attribute with a serious condition behind it, look for that appearing in society often strangle enough in people who have power over them, or earn more than them and say look sociapath.

There is another thread running where someone told a phone canvases to fuck off, frankly I along with many o the thread agree they should all be told to fuck off, but that is having no empathy for a low paid worker in the only job they could get paid for, does that make us sociapaths?

In reality it's quite a rare condition, nd much more than a lack of empathy and a tendency to enjoy personal success.

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over a year ago

Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Except children have empathy and are not damaged goods yet. One has to be completely fucked beyond a point of no return before they can be deemed either a sociopath or psychopath.

In reality it's quite a rare condition, nd much more than a lack of empathy and a tendency to enjoy personal success. "

A choice not to empathise is not the same as a total lack of ability to empathise.

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over a year ago

"Except children have empathy and are not damaged goods yet. One has to be completely fucked beyond a point of no return before they can be deemed either a sociopath or psychopath.

In reality it's quite a rare condition, nd much more than a lack of empathy and a tendency to enjoy personal success. "

Nope it just makes you a rather impatient one.

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"I've met many in my line of work. However they were termed psychopaths. Interchangeable term to be fair.

Except children have empathy and are not damaged goods yet. One has to be completely fucked beyond a point of no return before they can be deemed either a sociopath or psychopath."

To qualify I likened then to children for their neediness no their traits.

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?"

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Sorry but psychopathy and Bi-polar disorder are very different things. The first is in the personality disorder group of diagnosis the latter is a mental illness in the psychosis category. Very different in terms of presentation and treatment and prognosis.

Sorry, but I can assure you that you are wrong. Although not all Manic Depressives suffer from psychosis I and many others do! When in a manic state I have hallucinations and become delusional, eventually I do something so outrageous that it causes the mania to flip and become full on paranoid suicidal depression.

I have had to learn the pathology of my illness and how to spot manic triggers so I can manage my condition.

Of course the daily dose of quetiapine fumarate (a 3rd generation antipsychotic) helps greatly.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I have had to learn the pathology of my illness and how to spot manic triggers so I can manage my condition.

Of course the daily dose of quetiapine fumarate (a 3rd generation antipsychotic) helps greatly.

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exactly the same as me but never has anyone likened me to a psycopath i do have scitzophrenic.cross over symptons but not once had sociopath or psyicopath mentioned and.ive studied it for nearly 40 years

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over a year ago

I have had to learn the pathology of my illness and how to spot manic triggers so I can manage my condition.

Of course the daily dose of quetiapine fumarate (a 3rd generation antipsychotic) helps greatly.

exactly the same as me but never has anyone likened me to a psycopath i do have scitzophrenic.cross over symptons but not once had sociopath or psyicopath mentioned and.ive studied it for nearly 40 years"

That's what makes psychology so fascinating. It's almost black art like..

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

I have had to learn the pathology of my illness and how to spot manic triggers so I can manage my condition.

Of course the daily dose of quetiapine fumarate (a 3rd generation antipsychotic) helps greatly.

Bi polar is nothing like personality disorder/psychopathy. At all.

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over a year ago

I have had to learn the pathology of my illness and how to spot manic triggers so I can manage my condition.

Of course the daily dose of quetiapine fumarate (a 3rd generation antipsychotic) helps greatly.

Bi polar is nothing like personality disorder/psychopathy. At all."

I was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder a good while back. Been off my medication for a year and haven't been too bad. There will come a time when I need to.go.back on it but I personally woud rather stay away from medication I can.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I have had to learn the pathology of my illness and how to spot manic triggers so I can manage my condition.

Of course the daily dose of quetiapine fumarate (a 3rd generation antipsychotic) helps greatly.

Bi polar is nothing like personality disorder/psychopathy. At all."
i know its not lol

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

I have had to learn the pathology of my illness and how to spot manic triggers so I can manage my condition.

Of course the daily dose of quetiapine fumarate (a 3rd generation antipsychotic) helps greatly.

Bi polar is nothing like personality disorder/psychopathy. At all.

Meds for borderline pd? I assume for managing the depressive symptoms that comes with it.

However not sure what that had to do with my comment about bipolar not being like psychopathy

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

I have had to learn the pathology of my illness and how to spot manic triggers so I can manage my condition.

Of course the daily dose of quetiapine fumarate (a 3rd generation antipsychotic) helps greatly.

Bi polar is nothing like personality disorder/psychopathy. At all.i know its not lol"

I quoted the wrong person

Sorry

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I have had to learn the pathology of my illness and how to spot manic triggers so I can manage my condition.

Of course the daily dose of quetiapine fumarate (a 3rd generation antipsychotic) helps greatly.

Bi polar is nothing like personality disorder/psychopathy. At all.

Meds for borderline pd? I assume for managing the depressive symptoms that comes with it.

However not sure what that had to do with my comment about bipolar not being like psychopathy"

Lol sorry. Yeah an anti psychotic and 3 different anti depressants

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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I finally went and answered my own question - yes there is a lot of cross over between a sociopath and a narcissist, but the narcissist tends to be oblivious to the damage he does as his perspective is so self-centred, but the sociopath is fully aware of what he is doing, even enjoying inflicting pain. Neither can empathise or emotion normally - they merely mimic normal emotion.

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

Don't know what the fuss is, people seem to get on with me fine.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"Don't know what the fuss is, people seem to get on with me fine.

Till you take their skins off huh, then they get bit snarky for some reason - not your fault of course.

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

"Don't know what the fuss is, people seem to get on with me fine.

Till you take their skins off huh, then they get bit snarky for some reason - not your fault of course.

Ah yes, but apart from that...

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"I finally went and answered my own question - yes there is a lot of cross over between a sociopath and a narcissist, but the narcissist tends to be oblivious to the damage he does as his perspective is so self-centred, but the sociopath is fully aware of what he is doing, even enjoying inflicting pain. Neither can empathise or emotion normally - they merely mimic normal emotion."

Is there a correlation between narcissism and selfies?

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Then they arent fully aware

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over a year ago

Is there a correlation between narcissism and selfies? "

There can be. But just because someone posts a lot of selfies doesn't mean they're narcissistically disordered.

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over a year ago

Is there a correlation between narcissism and selfies?

There can be. But just because someone posts a lot of selfies doesn't mean they're narcissistically disordered.

Well sure, correlation is the measure of the strength of the relationship. Unless it's a perfect correlation which i don't suppose it is.

I do think owning a selfie stick is a red flag though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are mixing up sociopath with psychopath.

As per psychology today;

Sociopaths tend to be nervous and easily agitated. They are volatile and prone to emotional outbursts, including fits of rage. They are likely to be uneducated and live on the fringes of society, unable to hold down a steady job or stay in one place for very long. It is difficult but not impossible for sociopaths to form attachments with others. Many sociopaths are able to form an attachment to a particular individual or group, although they have no regard for society in general or its rules. In the eyes of others, sociopaths will appear to be very disturbed. Any crimes committed by a sociopath, including murder, will tend to be haphazard, disorganized and spontaneous rather than planned.

Apologies for the lengthy reply.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is there a correlation between narcissism and selfies?

There can be. But just because someone posts a lot of selfies doesn't mean they're narcissistically disordered.

Well sure, correlation is the measure of the strength of the relationship. Unless it's a perfect correlation which i don't suppose it is.

I do think owning a selfie stick is a red flag though. "

Some narcissism is healthy and not a sign of anything to worry about.

To be diagnosed with any disorder you just have to have all, or most, of the traits associated with that disorder.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Is there a correlation between narcissism and selfies? "

Depends on the shot..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've just done an online test and I'm only 65% sociopath. So that's definitive and positive. Lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You are mixing up sociopath with psychopath.

As per psychology today;

Apologies for the lengthy reply."

This is confusing me.

Like to know how many cases were considered in coming to this conclusion.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Is there a correlation between narcissism and selfies?

There can be. But just because someone posts a lot of selfies doesn't mean they're narcissistically disordered.

Well sure, correlation is the measure of the strength of the relationship. Unless it's a perfect correlation which i don't suppose it is.

I do think owning a selfie stick is a red flag though.

Some narcissism is healthy and not a sign of anything to worry about.

To be diagnosed with any disorder you just have to have all, or most, of the traits associated with that disorder."

Everything in moderation, even sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You are mixing up sociopath with psychopath.

As per psychology today;

Apologies for the lengthy reply.

This is confusing me.

Like to know how many cases were considered in coming to this conclusion. "

Depends on the psychologist or where OP got their info.

They all have different opinions on this but the DMV is what you should actually go off. That's the official guide for everything mental health.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i should google before i post anything...

the DSM IV and DSM 5 are what you should follow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i should google before i post anything...

the DSM IV and DSM 5 are what you should follow."

plus like what has been mentioned already sociopath and psychopath are not terms that are used officially. ASPD covers both types of people, and others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For those not sure about the subject, I'd recommend the MIND website for a decent overview written in English not psychobabble

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is there a correlation between narcissism and selfies?

Depends on the shot.."

Pouting with lots of make up, nothing else of note, twentieth one of the day soon followed by a picture of her dinner...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Is there a correlation between narcissism and selfies?

Depends on the shot..

Pouting with lots of make up, nothing else of note, twentieth one of the day soon followed by a picture of her dinner..."

Or posing in Royal attire..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"For those not sure about the subject, I'd recommend the MIND website for a decent overview written in English not psychobabble

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"i should google before i post anything...

the DSM IV and DSM 5 are what you should follow.

plus like what has been mentioned already sociopath and psychopath are not terms that are used officially. ASPD covers both types of people, and others."

Might do a OU course in psychology, have to fill in those blanks..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i should google before i post anything...

the DSM IV and DSM 5 are what you should follow.

plus like what has been mentioned already sociopath and psychopath are not terms that are used officially. ASPD covers both types of people, and others.

Might do a OU course in psychology, have to fill in those blanks.."

yeah go for it.

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By *at2Couple
over a year ago

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"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath "

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol

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By *at2Couple
over a year ago

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"I've met many in my line of work. However they were termed psychopaths. Interchangeable term to be fair.

They are not like psychopaths as they rarely plan an assault they react to social boundaries which most of us tend to see as normal and tend to have an inferiority complex and the feeling of guilt after an extreme out burst....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol"

I'm so confused where sociopath / psychopath ends and being an asshole starts. There's a fucking medical sounding term for everything these days.

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By *at2Couple
over a year ago

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"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter

them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol

I'm so confused where sociopath / psychopath ends and being an asshole starts. There's a fucking medical sounding term for everything these days."

Psychopaths are on the whole very confident, narcissistic planners who are very goal orientated charming and cunning with no feelings of guilt or pity.

They tend mostly to be successful business people but will use what they consider the right amount of force/violence to achieve their pre planned goal with out any restraint....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter

them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol

I'm so confused where sociopath / psychopath ends and being an asshole starts. There's a fucking medical sounding term for everything these days.

Psychopaths are on the whole very confident, narcissistic planners who are very goal orientated charming and cunning with no feelings of guilt or pity.

They tend mostly to be successful business people but will use what they consider the right amount of force/violence to achieve their pre planned goal with out any restraint....

So how do you know who is just an asshole then?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"i should google before i post anything...

the DSM IV and DSM 5 are what you should follow.

plus like what has been mentioned already sociopath and psychopath are not terms that are used officially. ASPD covers both types of people, and others.

Might do a OU course in psychology, have to fill in those blanks..

yeah go for it.

Sounds fun doesn't it? Should have taken up an offer to sit a psychology lecture..

OU offers a certificate of higher ed in psychology, a taster..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol"

Thought that was just some macho posturing narcissistic trite. Have to prove their manhood in front of others, especially their peers..

In summary, a bellend..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has anyone watched the film "the wolf of wall street"? What I love about that guy (Jordan Belfort) is that, if you read his books, he can actually admit that he isn't a psychopath, sociopath, he doesn't have ADHD or borderline personality disorder. He isn't mentally ill and doesn't blame the drugs he took. He can actually admit that he's just a good old fashioned asshole.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol

I'm so confused where sociopath / psychopath ends and being an asshole starts. There's a fucking medical sounding term for everything these days."

I am too. It seems both have reduced levels of empathy and morality.

Psychopaths have neither (one study showed psychopaths becoming aroused seeing others suffer), however sociopaths have reduced levels.

Love to do the OU psyche course..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter

them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol

I'm so confused where sociopath / psychopath ends and being an asshole starts. There's a fucking medical sounding term for everything these days.

Psychopaths are on the whole very confident, narcissistic planners who are very goal orientated charming and cunning with no feelings of guilt or pity.

They tend mostly to be successful business people but will use what they consider the right amount of force/violence to achieve their pre planned goal with out any restraint....

So how do you know who is just an asshole then? "

Scratch and sniff test..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What are your experiences with them?

Which ways have you found helpful in dealing with sociopaths you cannot avoid?"

oh god ....get a life

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By *at2Couple
over a year ago

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"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol

Thought that was just some macho posturing narcissistic trite. Have to prove their manhood in front of others, especially their peers..

In summary, a bellend.."

Ha you could say that.

They don't tend to understand personal space or boundaries are very self conscious and believe that everyone else is tiring to get something over or off them.

They will stand in your personal space push in at que's stand face on and close with you even when in a normal situation making you feel uncomfortable and forcing you to move so as to make themselves feel better. They do show guilt after an incident but that tends to wear off until their next confrontation..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol

I'm so confused where sociopath / psychopath ends and being an asshole starts. There's a fucking medical sounding term for everything these days.

I am too. It seems both have reduced levels of empathy and morality.

Psychopaths have neither (one study showed psychopaths becoming aroused seeing others suffer), however sociopaths have reduced levels.

Love to do the OU psyche course..

One 'study' found that 40% of americans had a diagnosis of a mental health problem at some stage during their life. Kinda loses its meaning when it's that common.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol

I'm so confused where sociopath / psychopath ends and being an asshole starts. There's a fucking medical sounding term for everything these days.

I am too. It seems both have reduced levels of empathy and morality.

Psychopaths have neither (one study showed psychopaths becoming aroused seeing others suffer), however sociopaths have reduced levels.

Love to do the OU psyche course..

One 'study' found that 40% of americans had a diagnosis of a mental health problem at some stage during their life. Kinda loses its meaning when it's that common."

Slightly separate issue, but have always found statistics a little difficult to accept.

Have studied a little statistics, it is a very powerful way to estimate the results of a study without actually interviewing everyone on the planet.

It is possible to estimate say the amount of people that drink over the recommended limit by sampling 1000 surveys from a population of (for example 100,000.

What is the probability that these 1000 drink over the weekly limit? Just can't seem to find a satisfactory answer..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol

I'm so confused where sociopath / psychopath ends and being an asshole starts. There's a fucking medical sounding term for everything these days.

I am too. It seems both have reduced levels of empathy and morality.

Psychopaths have neither (one study showed psychopaths becoming aroused seeing others suffer), however sociopaths have reduced levels.

Love to do the OU psyche course..

One 'study' found that 40% of americans had a diagnosis of a mental health problem at some stage during their life. Kinda loses its meaning when it's that common.

Slightly separate issue, but have always found statistics a little difficult to accept.

Have studied a little statistics, it is a very powerful way to estimate the results of a study without actually interviewing everyone on the planet.

It is possible to estimate say the amount of people that drink over the recommended limit by sampling 1000 surveys from a population of (for example 100,000.

What is the probability that these 1000 drink over the weekly limit? Just can't seem to find a satisfactory answer.."

Did you get to the part on standard deviation?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol

I'm so confused where sociopath / psychopath ends and being an asshole starts. There's a fucking medical sounding term for everything these days.

I am too. It seems both have reduced levels of empathy and morality.

Psychopaths have neither (one study showed psychopaths becoming aroused seeing others suffer), however sociopaths have reduced levels.

Love to do the OU psyche course..

One 'study' found that 40% of americans had a diagnosis of a mental health problem at some stage during their life. Kinda loses its meaning when it's that common.

Slightly separate issue, but have always found statistics a little difficult to accept.

Have studied a little statistics, it is a very powerful way to estimate the results of a study without actually interviewing everyone on the planet.

It is possible to estimate say the amount of people that drink over the recommended limit by sampling 1000 surveys from a population of (for example 100,000.

What is the probability that these 1000 drink over the weekly limit? Just can't seem to find a satisfactory answer..

Did you get to the part on standard deviation? "

That's the term I forgotten, if only I studied as hard as I 'socialised'..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol"

You attend some very differnt clubs to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol

I'm so confused where sociopath / psychopath ends and being an asshole starts. There's a fucking medical sounding term for everything these days.

I am too. It seems both have reduced levels of empathy and morality.

Psychopaths have neither (one study showed psychopaths becoming aroused seeing others suffer), however sociopaths have reduced levels.

Love to do the OU psyche course..

One 'study' found that 40% of americans had a diagnosis of a mental health problem at some stage during their life. Kinda loses its meaning when it's that common."

A young man in the uk today has a 50% chance of dying of cancer.

Depression or other tempoary mental illneses happen same as physical illneses doesnt afffect the meaning at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol

I'm so confused where sociopath / psychopath ends and being an asshole starts. There's a fucking medical sounding term for everything these days.

I am too. It seems both have reduced levels of empathy and morality.

Psychopaths have neither (one study showed psychopaths becoming aroused seeing others suffer), however sociopaths have reduced levels.

Love to do the OU psyche course..

One 'study' found that 40% of americans had a diagnosis of a mental health problem at some stage during their life. Kinda loses its meaning when it's that common.

A young man in the uk today has a 50% chance of dying of cancer.

Depression or other tempoary mental illneses happen same as physical illneses doesnt afffect the meaning at all"

Cancer can affect almost any part of the body, mental illness is all about one part. It's also the part that the present scientific literature has the least understanding of and therefore is probably more prone to misdiagnosis, to put it kindly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol

I'm so confused where sociopath / psychopath ends and being an asshole starts. There's a fucking medical sounding term for everything these days.

I am too. It seems both have reduced levels of empathy and morality.

Psychopaths have neither (one study showed psychopaths becoming aroused seeing others suffer), however sociopaths have reduced levels.

Love to do the OU psyche course..

One 'study' found that 40% of americans had a diagnosis of a mental health problem at some stage during their life. Kinda loses its meaning when it's that common.

A young man in the uk today has a 50% chance of dying of cancer.

Depression or other tempoary mental illneses happen same as physical illneses doesnt afffect the meaning at all"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol

I'm so confused where sociopath / psychopath ends and being an asshole starts. There's a fucking medical sounding term for everything these days.

I am too. It seems both have reduced levels of empathy and morality.

Psychopaths have neither (one study showed psychopaths becoming aroused seeing others suffer), however sociopaths have reduced levels.

Love to do the OU psyche course..

One 'study' found that 40% of americans had a diagnosis of a mental health problem at some stage during their life. Kinda loses its meaning when it's that common.

A young man in the uk today has a 50% chance of dying of cancer.

Depression or other tempoary mental illneses happen same as physical illneses doesnt afffect the meaning at all

There claims of cancer cures, big pharma isn't interested. Why? Because healthy populace is not profitable..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thanks to all contributors

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean an actual sociopath or just somone a bit mean or unempathetic ?

Cause honestly i can't say ive ever met someone who i thought was a genuine sociopath

Most of us have met or have experienced a sociopath.

The most common way we uncounter them is for example.

Your in the pub/club and you brush past or accidentally bump into someone or happen to look in their or their partners general direction.

And their reactions tend to be an extreme reaction of violence or verbal abuse (ie) what the f@@k are you looking at. Watch where your going you c@nt and so on, or they just attack you.

They have a problem identifing personal space and interacting within social settings.

So I bet you've met quite a few.. Lol

I'm so confused where sociopath / psychopath ends and being an asshole starts. There's a fucking medical sounding term for everything these days.

I am too. It seems both have reduced levels of empathy and morality.

Psychopaths have neither (one study showed psychopaths becoming aroused seeing others suffer), however sociopaths have reduced levels.

Love to do the OU psyche course..

One 'study' found that 40% of americans had a diagnosis of a mental health problem at some stage during their life. Kinda loses its meaning when it's that common.

Slightly separate issue, but have always found statistics a little difficult to accept.

Have studied a little statistics, it is a very powerful way to estimate the results of a study without actually interviewing everyone on the planet.

It is possible to estimate say the amount of people that drink over the recommended limit by sampling 1000 surveys from a population of (for example 100,000.

What is the probability that these 1000 drink over the weekly limit? Just can't seem to find a satisfactory answer..

Did you get to the part on standard deviation?

That's the term I forgotten, if only I studied as hard as I 'socialised'..

You're right that any individual study could be a chance result or complete bollocks. But if you can calibrate multiple studies with similar findings then the probability of all of them being wrong is significantly less.

1 study with a 30% chance of being bollocks that shares similar results with a 2nd study that also has a 30% chance of being bollocks have a 9% chance of both being bollocks

(closed, thread got too big)

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