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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hunting

Just been watching steve wright and was somewhat amazed that the "big fight" was still raging.

I know that there are now laws re dogs etc but didnt know to what extent the anti hunt were still fighting.

Oh and im "anti hunt" by the way..

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By *prite128Woman
over a year ago

maidstone

anti

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anti.

If if they try and use that stupid pest control exuse, there's more humane ways of pest control.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think there was an expectations that it would be overturned with the new brokeback coalition...i also think they're biding their time, but it will happen.

i'm against anything having to die under the auspices of entertainment.

no different to dog fighting or cock fights....which are both illegal and never set to return.

only difference is it keeps the gentry amused

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

I'm anti

If you're going to kill it at least have the decency to eat it.

Fox tastes shit.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I watched the "horizon" prog last night about scientist introducing "predators" back into the wild.

Seems the yellowstone national park was bieng over run by elk.

Soooooooo back came the wolves.

Now the elk are reduced, and as a by product..the coyote are reduced. they too had taken over the park.

So big predators control the species around them.

Interesting programme

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually rode on a hunt once and no never again

Very anti xx

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"i think there was an expectations that it would be overturned with the new brokeback coalition...i also think they're biding their time, but it will happen.

i'm against anything having to die under the auspices of entertainment.

no different to dog fighting or cock fights....which are both illegal and never set to return.

only difference is it keeps the gentry amused"

couldnt of said it better myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Actually rode on a hunt once and no never again

Very anti xx

fuck me cant imagine you sitting on the back of the hound soapy, long way to the ground if you fell off babe

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Actually rode on a hunt once and no never again

Very anti xx

Shetland Pony?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Actually rode on a hunt once and no never again

Very anti xx

fuck me cant imagine you sitting on the back of the hound soapy, long way to the ground if you fell off babe"

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"Actually rode on a hunt once and no never again

Very anti xx

fuck me cant imagine you sitting on the back of the hound soapy, long way to the ground if you fell off babe"

lmfao

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I dont know how true it is but i did read that some fellas had been caught "badger baiting" up north and .....

They were also into "dog fighting"

Horrendous acts in themselves.

people who are caught should be hung up by their gonads

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Actually rode on a hunt once and no never again

Very anti xx

fuck me cant imagine you sitting on the back of the hound soapy, long way to the ground if you fell off babe"

Dont call Wendy a hound lol xx

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Anti.....have first hand experience of watching all the toffs driving into this rural setting and parking their BMW and Lexus jeeps up before getting on their rented horses for a bit of jolly old hunting.

The locals (the ones that were born here) were rarely to be seen taking part in the hunt when they were held here in the past, it was mainly the toffs driving down here for the 'sport'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Actually rode on a hunt once and no never again

Very anti xx

fuck me cant imagine you sitting on the back of the hound soapy, long way to the ground if you fell off babe

Dont call Wendy a hound lol xx

I'm telling her you said that!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hunting

Just been watching steve wright and was somewhat amazed that the "big fight" was still raging.

I know that there are now laws re dogs etc but didnt know to what extent the anti hunt were still fighting.

Oh and im "anti hunt" by the way..

Does "Minger Baiting" constitute as hunting?

If so I`m Pro.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

im anti hunting, shes been a biatch to me lately

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By *eaboMan
over a year ago

marden

anti. Don't see how it can be entertaining to kill something unnecessarily cruely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anti . Bad enough killing animals for food. To do it for entertainment and pleasure what does that say about the people who do it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It isnt just gentry and toffs that hunt. My inlaws live in a sleepy village and a hunt is arranged once a month in the summer. Its awful as you have to make sure any pets are kept indoors on that particular Sunday morn, cats especially as the beagles arnt fed for a couple of days before the hunt and they'd rip a cat to shreds. The hunting lot walk thru the village with the dogs loose. They pass by on the way back draping dead foxes from their saddles, dogs splattered with blood. Its barbaric

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By *picyMan
over a year ago

dublin/kildare

ok am v anti hunting wen it comes to like 20 mounted horses an a million dogs after 1 fox,or in da case of killin for skin,ivory etc

but wud b pro hunting for da like of fishing an shooting game rabbit an that at least its al on a level playing field..

thoughts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ok am v anti hunting wen it comes to like 20 mounted horses an a million dogs after 1 fox,or in da case of killin for skin,ivory etc

but wud b pro hunting for da like of fishing an shooting game rabbit an that at least its al on a level playing field..

thoughts"

level playing field?

fish and game are armed too you mean?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"ok am v anti hunting wen it comes to like 20 mounted horses an a million dogs after 1 fox,or in da case of killin for skin,ivory etc

but wud b pro hunting for da like of fishing an shooting game rabbit an that at least its al on a level playing field..

thoughts"

I dont mind people fishing etc...

But they should eat what they kill.

*Nearly wrote "fisting" then

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By *inktherapyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

Anti.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm pro hunting. if only because I can't see the point of the ban. Having read about it, it seems to have been a way of new labour appealing to middle class sensibilities before they got in with Blair. Like everything else they did it was a massive fuck off smokescreen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Def pro-hunting in all its forms and guises, providing its conducted with the "landowners" consent, and no crops are damaged or compromised in any way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

think there was an expectations that it would be overturned with the new brokeback coalition...i also think they're biding their time, but it will happen.

i'm against anything having to die under the auspices of entertainment.

no different to dog fighting or cock fights....which are both illegal and never set to return.

only difference is it keeps the gentry amused

well said dances alone, most excellent words, cant top that so i wont try lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No chance of it being overturned. the coalition now is to the left of what Labour was before it.

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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago

The Forest

Pro.

1. Foxes are not cute and cuddly, they're nasty, vicious indiscriminate killers, known to attack and kill humans, livestock and domestic pets.

2. Many rural dwellers lost their livelihoods because of the ban - the kennels, the stables for the "rented" horses, local trade on hunt days etc etc.

3. Tens of thousands of animals, including foxes, are killed in the UK by cars on non-essential journeys, ie for "fun". The animal does not know the distinction between being killed by people on horseback for fun, or by people in cars for fun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Pro.

1. Foxes are not cute and cuddly, they're nasty, vicious indiscriminate killers, known to attack and kill humans, livestock and domestic pets.

2. Many rural dwellers lost their livelihoods because of the ban - the kennels, the stables for the "rented" horses, local trade on hunt days etc etc.

so, in the same vein...we could bring back dog fighting then? amount of dogs left or abused, it doesnt matter huh?

seal culling...beating them with planks of wood with nails driven through them that's ok right?

there is a way to control the numbers without making it a blood sport

that is what is fundamentally wrong...that it can be done for pleasure

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By *econdhand RoseWoman
over a year ago

Nr Dumfries

"I dont know how true it is but i did read that some fellas had been caught "badger baiting" up north and .....

They were also into "dog fighting"

Horrendous acts in themselves.

people who are caught should be hung up by their gonads

Don't confuse these sick individuals with the pro-hunting people. Most pro-hunting people I know respect the countryside and the the need for pest control and conservation. Needless suffering, killing and sport is not part of the equation for most people. I've worked with the police to catch people doing this type of thing.

And anyone who eats meat and wears leather is supporting the death of an animal - and often intensive raising/slaughter houses are infinately worse than any hunt under its current legislation.

Vixen

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The difference in eating meat and hunting is Most meat eaters dont do it to amuse themselves on a sunday morning and have the cow, pig , sheep torn to shreds by a pack of baying hounds

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By *econdhand RoseWoman
over a year ago

Nr Dumfries

"The difference in eating meat and hunting is Most meat eaters dont do it to amuse themselves on a sunday morning and have the cow, pig , sheep torn to shreds by a pack of baying hounds

It is illegal to hunt in that way now. There has to be at least one person with a rifle close with the hounds so that if they put up quarry it can be dispatched quickly and humanely before the dogs even reach it.

In my opinion anyone who does not kill quickly, humanely and for a reason other than sport is no better than the scum who shoot air rifles at cats on a housing estate, badger bait, dog fight or any of the hundreds of other urban and rural abuses of animals supposedly in our care.

Vixen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I mentioned this on a thread about meat the other day I said are all the anti hunting lot vegetarians ?? hmmmm

Oh and Im one of those pro hunting lot having grown up in the country and had family who ran farms Ive seen what a fox can do to livestock

and what about that urban fox that went into those peoples house in london and attacked their children while they slept

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

The farm down the road to me has no problems with foxes....he shoots them, what he doesn't do is charge toffs to come down for the day, rent a horse and ride aroundlike something out of the nineteenth century.

By shooting them he also doesn't make them endure being chased for miles before being ripped to shreds by a pack of dogs.

Foxes are vermin yes....but no need to hunt them down with dogs all the time the farmer holds a shotgun license.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The farm down the road to me has no problems with foxes....he shoots them, what he doesn't do is charge toffs to come down for the day, rent a horse and ride aroundlike something out of the nineteenth century.

By shooting them he also doesn't make them endure being chased for miles before being ripped to shreds by a pack of dogs.

Foxes are vermin yes....but no need to hunt them down with dogs all the time the farmer holds a shotgun license."

Not all people that go fox hunting are toffs you get a wide range of people from all walks of life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i am deffo 100% PRO hunting and this summer will be attending hunts dont like it thats up to you

yes now we have to follow a pre laid route but its all good fun

and the goverment will overturn the ban in time when the foxes become even more trouble than they are now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

By shooting them he also doesn't make them endure being chased for miles before being ripped to shreds by a pack of dogs.

Foxes are vermin yes....but no need to hunt them down with dogs all the time the farmer holds a shotgun license."

Not that I'm against farmers having guns (in fact I think gun laws in this country are too tight) but saying it's ok to shoot a fox just because you're against people riding around doesn't make it better.

I don't see anything wrong with toffs even though I'm a million miles away from being one lol!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

By shooting them he also doesn't make them endure being chased for miles before being ripped to shreds by a pack of dogs.

Foxes are vermin yes....but no need to hunt them down with dogs all the time the farmer holds a shotgun license."

the whole point of a hunt is that with a pack of dogs only the ill and old will get caught

with a gun they stand no change and often the farmers aim is off so he will end up just hurting it and then it will crawl off and die somewhere . mind it will be a slow and painful death not the fast one it wud of gotten with a dog who is trained to kill with one bite

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i am deffo 100% PRO hunting and this summer will be attending hunts dont like it thats up to you

yes now we have to follow a pre laid route but its all good fun

and the goverment will overturn the ban in time when the foxes become even more trouble than they are now "

Do they do drag hunting in this country now the ban is in ?? I used to live in Italy and remeber seeing drag hunting there ps when i say drag hunting I dont mean men in frocks being chased around the country lol

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

I never said they were all Toffs....

No glut of foxes around my way since the hunting with dogs ban came in though, the farmers are doing a sterling job of keeping down numbers using just their legally held firearms.

It never was anything but sport for a select few...

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

By shooting them he also doesn't make them endure being chased for miles before being ripped to shreds by a pack of dogs.

Foxes are vermin yes....but no need to hunt them down with dogs all the time the farmer holds a shotgun license.

the whole point of a hunt is that with a pack of dogs only the ill and old will get caught

Have to ask....how do they train a dog to kill with one bite?

They let them loose in packs to rip foxes apart when caught....it's sport and nothing less than sport

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"i am deffo 100% PRO hunting and this summer will be attending hunts dont like it thats up to you

yes now we have to follow a pre laid route but its all good fun

and the goverment will overturn the ban in time when the foxes become even more trouble than they are now "

But they aren't any more trouble are they?....There is no glut or over population of foxes on Dartmoor....they shoot them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yeah lol its ment to be drag hunting only but u cant stop a dog if it catches a trail of a live one and the police have better things to do than ride along side you ...

but you do get a few annoying anti's that show up to public hunts and get around the horses then whine when they get hurt

they are often the ones with camcorders standing within a foot of a horse who is ready to run and do its thing google anti fox hunting or youtube it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Am anti hunting. I feel that an animal should not be killed or harmed for 'sport'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anti Hunting.

It's as low as it gets in my book. Animal cruelty masquerading as some kind of a social get together or pest eradication in my opinion.

It has no place in a decent society.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

I'm sort of anti.

I'd quite like to go on a hunt, just without the fox part. Does that count?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sort of anti.

I'd quite like to go on a hunt, just without the fox part. Does that count?

totally! and there are many scent hunts that are run that way....except some find it an anti climax unless there is actual blood at the end of it

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By *DD1EMan
over a year ago

sea

Pro....used to go to the Totnes boxing days hunts, never saw them bag a fox in the 7 years I went but it was a good social day.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"I'm sort of anti.

I'd quite like to go on a hunt, just without the fox part. Does that count?

totally! and there are many scent hunts that are run that way....except some find it an anti climax unless there is actual blood at the end of it"

Well that's a no brainer... why would you harm an animal when you can achieve the same event without?

Weirdos!

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Im a country girl, hunting was part of that. My grandad used to take me out to follow the hunt, i loved it, all the huntsmen dressed up and it was always a fantastic atmosphere. Back then it was just seen as part of life.

Now i have to say im in the middle im neither for or against hunting

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Pro....used to go to the Totnes boxing days hunts, never saw them bag a fox in the 7 years I went but it was a good social day. "

The dogs had eaten them before they got back....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm definately anti-pro, or auntie Betty when I'm dressed up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No chance of it being overturned. the coalition now is to the left of what Labour was before it. "

You kiddin'?

Cameron, Osborne, Gove and Co. are well to the right of Atilla the Hun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No chance of it being overturned. the coalition now is to the left of what Labour was before it.

You kiddin'?

Cameron, Osborne, Gove and Co. are well to the right of Atilla the Hun."

In what way are they? Just because they went to Eton doesn't make them right wing.

They've kept loads of Labour policies, haven't brought Grammar schools back, aren't touching NHS spending, are committed to the EU, slashing defence spending...

They have hardly any conservative (small c) policies at all.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I may be daft but i can not see where killing an animal for sport alone can be called "fun"

If animals breed excessively then cull humanely.

If thinking its fun then why dont we arrange baby seal bashing days out.

I have no problem killing an animal if the animal is for food and use all the animal in by products.

Its normally done as humanely as possible.

I also have no problems with people be it rich or poor having a hobby.

But when said hobby is to chase some poor defenseless animal around the fields i am often left wondering what bloody century im living .

My personal _iews only i may add and others are left to have theirs.

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

drag hunting - at least as far as I know - is perfectly legal in the UK.

which raises the question as to why the pro-hunt lot are so up in arms.

all of the main arguments they use like keeping rural jobs and traditions can be maintained perfectly adequately by a drag hunt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No chance of it being overturned. the coalition now is to the left of what Labour was before it.

You kiddin'?

Cameron, Osborne, Gove and Co. are well to the right of Atilla the Hun.

In what way are they? Just because they went to Eton doesn't make them right wing.

They've kept loads of Labour policies, haven't brought Grammar schools back, aren't touching NHS spending, are committed to the EU, slashing defence spending...

They have hardly any conservative (small c) policies at all."

Give them time. Once the 1922 guys get a bit more used to coalition politics we'll see what comes out of the recently dramatically increased No10 policy unit.

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By *iteskinMan
over a year ago

Cardiff/Newport/Bristol/M4

i,m Pro hunting

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on here that is lol i love hunting down a sexy milf or two and firing both barrels at em

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By *picyMan
over a year ago

dublin/kildare

"ok am v anti hunting wen it comes to like 20 mounted horses an a million dogs after 1 fox,or in da case of killin for skin,ivory etc

but wud b pro hunting for da like of fishing an shooting game rabbit an that at least its al on a level playing field..

thoughts"

level playing field?

fish and game are armed too you mean?

wel wat we catch we eat an dont go over board like 2 black sacks full...

also wen we go shooting its mainly rabbit which ar boardering on pest in many parts so need 2 be culled from alot of farms we dont ferret cause kills 2 many at once again wud b goin with thought in mind of eating an nothing wasted..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's nothing to do with vermin control, after all farmers do not dress up and chase rabbits for hours, they just use a shotgun, Job Done!

It's about a way of life, but as in the film K-Pax:

"Prot: Every being in the universe knows right from wrong, Mark. "

So just a case of "don't care". Ok it may *just* be an animal, but the whole point about compassion and empathy is that is what is supposed to separate us from the animals.

The industrialisation of farming lost many many more jobs than a ban on hunting.

|END TRANSMISSION|

Off to feel ill on sofa now.

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By *ouple1234Couple
over a year ago

BELFAST UK

pro hunting as do alot of it myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"pro hunting as do alot of it myself "

Like wise and I am definitely pro hunting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"pro hunting as do alot of it myself "

I think we should make a distinction between hunting with dogs vs hunting with a gun or whatever. The latter is usually very quick, the former is what most people mean by anti hunting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"pro hunting as do alot of it myself

I think we should make a distinction between hunting with dogs vs hunting with a gun or whatever. The latter is usually very quick, the former is what most people mean by anti hunting. "

I have participated in both.

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By *ouple1234Couple
over a year ago

BELFAST UK

took part in both, more so with a gun and nets

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im Anti, have been on a few hunts sabotaging (non violent)

Hunting for food is acceptable (but questionable i'll agree) but hunting for fun is definately wrong in my books. They claim its pest control; i have spoken to the farmers around the fields and they say they just shoot the fox if it causes any trouble to their chickens/etc. Not humane but effective.

Having legions of horses and dogs chase one fox is just bullying, pathetic and cruel. If you really need to kill a small animal to satisfy your small cock syndrome then get your fat arse off your horse and go one on one with the fox.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont have a cock!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No chance of it being overturned. the coalition now is to the left of what Labour was before it.

You kiddin'?

Cameron, Osborne, Gove and Co. are well to the right of Atilla the Hun.

In what way are they? Just because they went to Eton doesn't make them right wing.

They've kept loads of Labour policies, haven't brought Grammar schools back, aren't touching NHS spending, are committed to the EU, slashing defence spending...

They have hardly any conservative (small c) policies at all.

Give them time. Once the 1922 guys get a bit more used to coalition politics we'll see what comes out of the recently dramatically increased No10 policy unit."

I think you've answered your own question there. The 'increased' policy unit. Surely they'd be cutting down on the size of the state rather than adding more civil servants if they were right wing?

Cameron called himself the heir to Blair and now he has the perfect cover with the Lib Dems as partners to keep the Progressive politics going.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well have to agree to disagree but my personal opinion is that we shouldn't go out of our way to incur additional suffering/stress to other people/animals, especially under the guise of fun/sport/entertainment.

*shrugs*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im Anti, have been on a few hunts sabotaging (non violent)

How can hunting for food be questionnable??? How did we survive without doing it?

Not sure whether having a small cock was the reason fox hunting started as well but happy to be proven wrong lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No chance of it being overturned. the coalition now is to the left of what Labour was before it.

You kiddin'?

Cameron, Osborne, Gove and Co. are well to the right of Atilla the Hun.

In what way are they? Just because they went to Eton doesn't make them right wing.

They've kept loads of Labour policies, haven't brought Grammar schools back, aren't touching NHS spending, are committed to the EU, slashing defence spending...

They have hardly any conservative (small c) policies at all.

Give them time. Once the 1922 guys get a bit more used to coalition politics we'll see what comes out of the recently dramatically increased No10 policy unit.

I think you've answered your own question there. The 'increased' policy unit. Surely they'd be cutting down on the size of the state rather than adding more civil servants if they were right wing?

................."

That very point was put to Francis Maude at lunchtime today and he all but admitted that, whilst their instinct was small(er) government, the reality (as demonstrated by recent u-turns) is that there has been a serious lack of joined-up thinking behind the scenes in Downing Street.

Hence the need for more policy wallahs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How can hunting for food be questionnable??? How did we survive without doing it?

............"

Few, if any, of use NEED to hunt for food nowadays.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im Anti, have been on a few hunts sabotaging (non violent)

I dont think cock size has anything to do with hunting lol plus there are a lot of women who hunt what do you call them small pussy syndrome ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How can hunting for food be questionnable??? How did we survive without doing it?

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Few, if any, of use NEED to hunt for food nowadays. "

Isn't the end result of killing an animal the same no matter how you do it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im Anti, have been on a few hunts sabotaging (non violent)

I dont think cock size has anything to do with hunting lol plus there are a lot of women who hunt what do you call them small pussy syndrome ??

Nope it would have to be large pussy syndrome as we would want it smaller lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No chance of it being overturned. the coalition now is to the left of what Labour was before it.

You kiddin'?

Cameron, Osborne, Gove and Co. are well to the right of Atilla the Hun.

In what way are they? Just because they went to Eton doesn't make them right wing.

They've kept loads of Labour policies, haven't brought Grammar schools back, aren't touching NHS spending, are committed to the EU, slashing defence spending...

They have hardly any conservative (small c) policies at all.

Give them time. Once the 1922 guys get a bit more used to coalition politics we'll see what comes out of the recently dramatically increased No10 policy unit.

I think you've answered your own question there. The 'increased' policy unit. Surely they'd be cutting down on the size of the state rather than adding more civil servants if they were right wing?

.................

Hence the need for more policy wallahs.

Still not selling the right wing idea to me...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im Anti, have been on a few hunts sabotaging (non violent)

I dont think cock size has anything to do with hunting lol plus there are a lot of women who hunt what do you call them small pussy syndrome ??

Nope it would have to be large pussy syndrome as we would want it smaller lol

hahaha took a few mins to work that one out lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How can hunting for food be questionnable??? How did we survive without doing it?

............

Few, if any, of use NEED to hunt for food nowadays.

Isn't the end result of killing an animal the same no matter how you do it? "

As i said on an earlier post having rode on a hunt in my younger years and actually seen a fox torn to shreds by dogs after they have run it to ground

Then yes the result is the same (IE they die)but the way it gets to that point is far from the same

Most animals are killed humanely

Not tortured to death

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

anti.

just a bunch of arragant toffs with money killing for no reason

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By *LBishCouple
over a year ago

near bury st edmunds

Fox hunting is Barbaric, they dont all get shot with a gun before the dogs get to them either. In the feild i used to keep my horse, i got a call that my horse was gojng mad. When i got there the hunt had only all barged into my feid without permission and left me a not so nice fox ripped to bits to clean up and a horse to calm down. Most fox hunting partys have the beleaf they can do what they like.

What gives humans the right anyhows, most animals was on the earth wayyy before us.

I wonder how many huntsmen or women would like to be chased for hours then riped to bit by dogs

drag hunting wont do for theses ppl cause there is no end adrenaline rush of seeing a defenceless creature riped to bits.

what gives us the right?

Very very anit after seeing many hunts first hand and the way they behave

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How can hunting for food be questionnable??? How did we survive without doing it?

............

Few, if any, of use NEED to hunt for food nowadays.

Isn't the end result of killing an animal the same no matter how you do it?

As i said on an earlier post having rode on a hunt in my younger years and actually seen a fox torn to shreds by dogs after they have run it to ground

Then yes the result is the same (IE they die)but the way it gets to that point is far from the same

Most animals are killed humanely

Not tortured to death"

How can you kill something humanely? Not exactly very charitable to kill anything. I know what you're trying to say, but the political issue wasn't the fox's suffering. It was giving the fingers to the 'toffs'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How can hunting for food be questionnable??? How did we survive without doing it?

............

Few, if any, of use NEED to hunt for food nowadays.

Isn't the end result of killing an animal the same no matter how you do it? "

D'ye mean 'how' or 'why'?

Ultimately the animal/ fish is still dead but I'd never countenance the killing of any animal purely for sport or by any method which causes unnecessary suffering.

Genuinely killing for the pot where no alternative exists (ie no money, no shops), provided it's done as humanely as possible, is OK.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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"i am deffo 100% PRO hunting and this summer will be attending hunts dont like it thats up to you

yes now we have to follow a pre laid route but its all good fun

and the goverment will overturn the ban in time when the foxes become even more trouble than they are now "

Don't want to burst your bubble but....

Fox hunting with dogs isn't carried out in the summer, don't know what sort of fox hunts you have been to but the season doesn't start until November

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By *ouple1234Couple
over a year ago

BELFAST UK

"anti.

just a bunch of arragant toffs with money killing for no reason"

im not a toff and i dont have loads of money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"anti.

just a bunch of arragant toffs with money killing for no reason"

Dont be suchj a toffist Cornwall

bet you wouyuldnt say no to a bit of fur coat n no knickers hahah

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

you can kill something humanly by doing it quick and for food. not ripped apart for pleasure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"anti.

just a bunch of arragant toffs with money killing for no reason

Dont be suchj a toffist Cornwall

bet you wouyuldnt say no to a bit of fur coat n no knickers hahah

I dont know which made me laugh more, the fact I am seen as a toff!....or the fur coat and no knickers lol

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

"anti.

just a bunch of arragant toffs with money killing for no reason

im not a toff and i dont have loads of money

ok in general then. not aimed at you in particular sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"anti.

just a bunch of arragant toffs with money killing for no reason

Dont be suchj a toffist Cornwall

bet you wouyuldnt say no to a bit of fur coat n no knickers hahah

PS why is it everyone seems to think the only people who go hunting are posh upper class its not true you get people from all types of backgrounds who hunt

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

"anti.

just a bunch of arragant toffs with money killing for no reason

Dont be suchj a toffist Cornwall

bet you wouyuldnt say no to a bit of fur coat n no knickers hahah

lol you silly sod lol xxx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I do find it strange that those in favour come up with all sorts of ideas to justify chasing a little fox with hoards of hounds and horses.

And in the name of "fun"

I will not ever ever get the jist of down right cruelty

How ever its packaged ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you can kill something humanly by doing it quick and for food. not ripped apart for pleasure."

So being blasted to pieces with a shotgun is quick and humane?

I know you're not saying that, but it seems that a lot of people who don't agree with dogs hunting foxes are ok for Farmer Giles to blow seven shades out of it with a harmless shotgun.

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By *ouple1234Couple
over a year ago

BELFAST UK

"anti.

just a bunch of arragant toffs with money killing for no reason

im not a toff and i dont have loads of money

ok in general then. not aimed at you in particular sorry "

not a problem mate

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

"you can kill something humanly by doing it quick and for food. not ripped apart for pleasure.

So being blasted to pieces with a shotgun is quick and humane?

I know you're not saying that, but it seems that a lot of people who don't agree with dogs hunting foxes are ok for Farmer Giles to blow seven shades out of it with a harmless shotgun."

you point holds no weight at all. most farmers are using machines and any with a shot gun method needs to modernise. but is the farmer doing it for fun? no. for a living.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone tell me how they kill vermin nicely?

A nice slow poison perhaps?

A trap?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"anti.

just a bunch of arragant toffs with money killing for no reason

Dont be suchj a toffist Cornwall

bet you wouyuldnt say no to a bit of fur coat n no knickers hahah

I dont know which made me laugh more, the fact I am seen as a toff!....or the fur coat and no knickers lol"

Would rather be seen as a Toff than a Chav lol

runs off to seee if I have a fur coat in my wardrobe lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not everyone NEEDS to hunt for food, but many of us do.

My son's best friend is a farmer, we shoot pigeons and rabbits to preserve his fields of young shoots, therefore eradicating 'pests' in his eyes then we dispose of them by eating them.

We live right on the coast and often go fishing off the breakwater...again we eat what we catch.

We have often foraged for wild herbs and mushrooms too.

I see us as sustainable hunters, the land is rich in food so why go to a supermarket all the time?

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By *LBishCouple
over a year ago

near bury st edmunds

"you can kill something humanly by doing it quick and for food. not ripped apart for pleasure.

So being blasted to pieces with a shotgun is quick and humane?

I know you're not saying that, but it seems that a lot of people who don't agree with dogs hunting foxes are ok for Farmer Giles to blow seven shades out of it with a harmless shotgun."

The fox dies instantly, shot with a gun, what makes you think that is the same as being chaced for miles and hours before getting riped to bits by a pack of hounds?

lets give the choice to a human, see which kind of death they would prefer?

Fox hunting is barbaric not matter what way you try to justify it, as a human its not our god given right to, kill everything that was on thus planet before us , just cause we can

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you can kill something humanly by doing it quick and for food. not ripped apart for pleasure.

So being blasted to pieces with a shotgun is quick and humane?

I know you're not saying that, but it seems that a lot of people who don't agree with dogs hunting foxes are ok for Farmer Giles to blow seven shades out of it with a harmless shotgun."

Neither method is really acceptable but i certainly know which is generally (i say generally because of course sometimes foxes can be just wounded)quickest xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you can kill something humanly by doing it quick and for food. not ripped apart for pleasure.

So being blasted to pieces with a shotgun is quick and humane?

I know you're not saying that, but it seems that a lot of people who don't agree with dogs hunting foxes are ok for Farmer Giles to blow seven shades out of it with a harmless shotgun.

you point holds no weight at all. most farmers are using machines and any with a shot gun method needs to modernise. but is the farmer doing it for fun? no. for a living. "

Killing with a machine? Ohhh, that's ok then. A machine is very kind.

I agree with the farmer killing them. I also feel sorry for all the people who lost their jobs when hunting was banned. No thought for their living either?

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By *LBishCouple
over a year ago

near bury st edmunds

best not comment on that last post lol

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

"Anyone tell me how they kill vermin nicely?

A nice slow poison perhaps?

A trap?"

to prevent diesase maybe then yes.

a trap is quick but poison not so good. i personally would trap and release.

i dont agree with traps and poison.

still dont compare or excuse killing for fun. dont matter what anyone says.

hunting is wrong cos of the reason and method. everything else your comparing to has warranted reason and/or method.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you can kill something humanly by doing it quick and for food. not ripped apart for pleasure.

So being blasted to pieces with a shotgun is quick and humane?

I know you're not saying that, but it seems that a lot of people who don't agree with dogs hunting foxes are ok for Farmer Giles to blow seven shades out of it with a harmless shotgun.

The fox dies instantly, shot with a gun, what makes you think that is the same as being chaced for miles and hours before getting riped to bits by a pack of hounds?

lets give the choice to a human, see which kind of death they would prefer?

Fox hunting is barbaric not matter what way you try to justify it, as a human its not our god given right to, kill everything that was on thus planet before us , just cause we can"

It's a fox though, not a human. And you're still killing it with a gun. Not like you're taking it on holiday afterwards. You can't say don't kill it one way but then say it's ok to kill it another.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you can kill something humanly by doing it quick and for food. not ripped apart for pleasure.

So being blasted to pieces with a shotgun is quick and humane?

I know you're not saying that, but it seems that a lot of people who don't agree with dogs hunting foxes are ok for Farmer Giles to blow seven shades out of it with a harmless shotgun.

you point holds no weight at all. most farmers are using machines and any with a shot gun method needs to modernise. but is the farmer doing it for fun? no. for a living.

Killing with a machine? Ohhh, that's ok then. A machine is very kind.

I agree with the farmer killing them. I also feel sorry for all the people who lost their jobs when hunting was banned. No thought for their living either?"

And what about all those poor hounds most have to be destroyed because they cant be rehomed as domestic pets

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

"you can kill something humanly by doing it quick and for food. not ripped apart for pleasure.

So being blasted to pieces with a shotgun is quick and humane?

I know you're not saying that, but it seems that a lot of people who don't agree with dogs hunting foxes are ok for Farmer Giles to blow seven shades out of it with a harmless shotgun.

you point holds no weight at all. most farmers are using machines and any with a shot gun method needs to modernise. but is the farmer doing it for fun? no. for a living.

Killing with a machine? Ohhh, that's ok then. A machine is very kind.

I agree with the farmer killing them. I also feel sorry for all the people who lost their jobs when hunting was banned. No thought for their living either?"

yes a machine is ok to kill to feed us humans. would you prefer to be thrown to the lions and be eaten painfully torn apart while wewatch cos its fun. or have your head chopped off for food. get real.

the people who lost there job cn get nother one, its a job, not thre life.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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I think you will find that at least one of the Pro Hunting members on here is posting for effect, anyone involved in fox hunting with dogs would know it doesn't take place in the summer...

Season starts on or around the first Sunday in November.

So a wind up.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A trap is not quick...have you ever found one where an animal has tried to chew its leg off to get away?

foxes are vermin. You may not agree with the hunting for sport method ( although a kill is not made on every hunt), but I bet people do not give a second thought to setting up a mouse trap or rat poison to kill the vermin.

Not a sport, but still causing suffering to an animal that is having an effect on thier home/business/belongings etc.

Are you eating them after you have killed them? Or is it more aceptable to kill that kind of pest slowly?

Maybe because they are not as cute as a fox?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you can kill something humanly by doing it quick and for food. not ripped apart for pleasure.

So being blasted to pieces with a shotgun is quick and humane?

I know you're not saying that, but it seems that a lot of people who don't agree with dogs hunting foxes are ok for Farmer Giles to blow seven shades out of it with a harmless shotgun.

you point holds no weight at all. most farmers are using machines and any with a shot gun method needs to modernise. but is the farmer doing it for fun? no. for a living.

Killing with a machine? Ohhh, that's ok then. A machine is very kind.

I agree with the farmer killing them. I also feel sorry for all the people who lost their jobs when hunting was banned. No thought for their living either?

the people who lost there job cn get nother one, its a job, not thre life."

not sure how to answer that. First, a fox isn't generally eaten.

Second, humans aren't generally eaten.

Third, brilliant advice about the jobs.

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

"you can kill something humanly by doing it quick and for food. not ripped apart for pleasure.

So being blasted to pieces with a shotgun is quick and humane?

I know you're not saying that, but it seems that a lot of people who don't agree with dogs hunting foxes are ok for Farmer Giles to blow seven shades out of it with a harmless shotgun.

The fox dies instantly, shot with a gun, what makes you think that is the same as being chaced for miles and hours before getting riped to bits by a pack of hounds?

lets give the choice to a human, see which kind of death they would prefer?

Fox hunting is barbaric not matter what way you try to justify it, as a human its not our god given right to, kill everything that was on thus planet before us , just cause we can

It's a fox though, not a human. And you're still killing it with a gun. Not like you're taking it on holiday afterwards. You can't say don't kill it one way but then say it's ok to kill it another.

method of killing does matter.

but still not getting a case from you why killing for fun is ok but killing for food isnt.

very weak case

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By *ouple1234Couple
over a year ago

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hunting as been going on thusands of years its just done a little different these days, but no matter what way you look at it its alot better than pumping even more money into the super markets and fast food places that are taking over the world

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

"A trap is not quick...have you ever found one where an animal has tried to chew its leg off to get away?

Not a sport, but still causing suffering to an animal that is having an effect on thier home/business/belongings etc.

Are you eating them after you have killed them? Or is it more aceptable to kill that kind of pest slowly?

Maybe because they are not as cute as a fox?

thats a very good point about the trap not bing quick, i agreed. point well made. but i did say i dont like or agree wih them and would just trap and release. in like a box so nothing was hurt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you can kill something humanly by doing it quick and for food. not ripped apart for pleasure.

So being blasted to pieces with a shotgun is quick and humane?

I know you're not saying that, but it seems that a lot of people who don't agree with dogs hunting foxes are ok for Farmer Giles to blow seven shades out of it with a harmless shotgun.

The fox dies instantly, shot with a gun, what makes you think that is the same as being chaced for miles and hours before getting riped to bits by a pack of hounds?

lets give the choice to a human, see which kind of death they would prefer?

Fox hunting is barbaric not matter what way you try to justify it, as a human its not our god given right to, kill everything that was on thus planet before us , just cause we can

It's a fox though, not a human. And you're still killing it with a gun. Not like you're taking it on holiday afterwards. You can't say don't kill it one way but then say it's ok to kill it another.

method of killing does matter.

but still not getting a case from you why killing for fun is ok but killing for food isnt.

very weak case"

I never said killing for food isn't ok. Of course it is or how would we eat meat?

The fox hunting thing and being concerned about the fox isn't the main story. If it was then all animal slaughter would be banned.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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"hunting as been going on thusands of years its just done a little different these days, but no matter what way you look at it its alot better than pumping even more money into the super markets and fast food places that are taking over the world "

A little fact of life for you....if it wasn't for supermarkets, and their continuing price wars in the UK, food prices would be an awful lot more than they are today.....their battle to beat each other has kept our food prices artificially low.

If you want to see what it would be like if we never had four or five multiples fighting for our groceries business then look at many other countries where competition is less fierce.

Australia, New Zealand, Scandinavia, Holland to name but a few where groceries are up to half as much again as ours in their shops.

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

put it this way. if foxes were hunted and killed quickly by whatever method, and not by another nimal or for pleasure. just to kep population down and diesease etc, then people wouldnt have a problem with it.

can i just ad, what a great debate this is with you guys.

big respect for your point of _iews and opinions by the way.

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over a year ago

"A trap is not quick...have you ever found one where an animal has tried to chew its leg off to get away?

Not a sport, but still causing suffering to an animal that is having an effect on thier home/business/belongings etc.

Are you eating them after you have killed them? Or is it more aceptable to kill that kind of pest slowly?

Maybe because they are not as cute as a fox?

thats a very good point about the trap not bing quick, i agreed. point well made. but i did say i dont like or agree wih them and would just trap and release. in like a box so nothing was hurt."

Yes, I noticed you mentioned that. It was more a point of people distinguishing between humane killing with regards vermin.

People tend ot get emotional over a nice fluffy fox which is vermin, but would they have the same feelings to a rat if it was doing damage?

You don't see people shooting them with guns! If they don't poison them themselves they call pest control to do it for them.

I know the focus seems to be because hunting is a sport, the end result seems to be the suffering of the animal that causes peoples hackles to rise.

Hence me trying to show the comparison between the fox suffering and the rat...neither of which are killed to be eaten....How come it is more acceptable to slowly poison a rat then kill a fox with dogs?

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over a year ago

"put it this way. if foxes were hunted and killed quickly by whatever method, and not by another nimal or for pleasure. just to kep population down and diesease etc, then people wouldnt have a problem with it.

can i just ad, what a great debate this is with you guys.

big respect for your point of _iews and opinions by the way."

Agreed on both points! Over and out for me until later.

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By *ouple1234Couple
over a year ago

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it just go's to show with the price battles were we paying to much in the first place, and why can they sell so cheap becaue it is cheap, you could keep the small family run butchers, bakers etc on the high streets if people paid a little extra for good food

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over a year ago

"I think you will find that at least one of the Pro Hunting members on here is posting for effect, anyone involved in fox hunting with dogs would know it doesn't take place in the summer...

Season starts on or around the first Sunday in November.

So a wind up.....

Always thought the riding to hunt was an autumn event. I know my outlaws used to ride to a Somerset hunt on Boxing day.

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

"A trap is not quick...have you ever found one where an animal has tried to chew its leg off to get away?

Not a sport, but still causing suffering to an animal that is having an effect on thier home/business/belongings etc.

Are you eating them after you have killed them? Or is it more aceptable to kill that kind of pest slowly?

Maybe because they are not as cute as a fox?

thats a very good point about the trap not bing quick, i agreed. point well made. but i did say i dont like or agree wih them and would just trap and release. in like a box so nothing was hurt.

Yes, I noticed you mentioned that. It was more a point of people distinguishing between humane killing with regards vermin.

People tend ot get emotional over a nice fluffy fox which is vermin, but would they have the same feelings to a rat if it was doing damage?

You don't see people shooting them with guns! If they don't poison them themselves they call pest control to do it for them.

I know the focus seems to be because hunting is a sport, the end result seems to be the suffering of the animal that causes peoples hackles to rise.

yes very good point again sepot.

i think the two subjects are very simialar and certainly a lack of how vermine might die slowly etc.

the only difference i can see is the sport side of it. but very good point well made

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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"it just go's to show with the price battles were we paying to much in the first place, and why can they sell so cheap becaue it is cheap, you could keep the small family run butchers, bakers etc on the high streets if people paid a little extra for good food

All very well in wishy wishy world, but in the real world there are tens of thousands of families, maybe hundreds of thousands of families, in the UK who can't afford food prices as they are....let alone paying a 'little extra'

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

can i just ad, what a great debate this is with you guys.

big respect for your point of _iews and opinions by the way.

Agreed on both points! Over and out for me until later."

later danny. dont be long lol

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By *ouple1234Couple
over a year ago

BELFAST UK

but the fact is alot of people can and are just to lazy to buy proper food, but having lost a dairy farm i have seen it happen all to much, if the uk goverment looked alittle closer to home and not worry about trying keep alot of other countries happy the uk would be a better place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A trap is not quick...have you ever found one where an animal has tried to chew its leg off to get away?

Not a sport, but still causing suffering to an animal that is having an effect on thier home/business/belongings etc.

Are you eating them after you have killed them? Or is it more aceptable to kill that kind of pest slowly?

Maybe because they are not as cute as a fox?

thats a very good point about the trap not bing quick, i agreed. point well made. but i did say i dont like or agree wih them and would just trap and release. in like a box so nothing was hurt.

Yes, I noticed you mentioned that. It was more a point of people distinguishing between humane killing with regards vermin.

People tend ot get emotional over a nice fluffy fox which is vermin, but would they have the same feelings to a rat if it was doing damage?

You don't see people shooting them with guns! If they don't poison them themselves they call pest control to do it for them.

I know the focus seems to be because hunting is a sport, the end result seems to be the suffering of the animal that causes peoples hackles to rise.

yes very good point again sepot.

i think the two subjects are very simialar and certainly a lack of how vermine might die slowly etc.

the only difference i can see is the sport side of it. but very good point well made"

I participate in hunts for the sport. the good ride out with friends and if we have a kill then great, to me they are vermin and cause damage and kill livestock.

I also shoot them if I find them on my land, so the ride out is not just to kill the fox! As I have said before, not every hunt results in a kill.

So regardless of if it is a sport or not the end result for both comparisons I made between the rat and fox is a suffering animal....the fox dies quicker though.

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over a year ago

so what about the urban foxes coming into our back gardens, killing our pets and Im sure the women who children who where attacked while they slept by a fox dosent think awww poor little cute fox

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

i just cant wrap my head around using hounds to kill them and going out of your way to kill them. shooting to defend chickens or disease or your land etc fine. same reason as a rat.

its a sport which kills. no sport should be for killing

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over a year ago

"Im Anti, have been on a few hunts sabotaging (non violent)

How can hunting for food be questionnable??? How did we survive without doing it?

Not sure whether having a small cock was the reason fox hunting started as well but happy to be proven wrong lol"

I mean the human race is at a point where we can farm fruit/vegetables and can survive without the need to hunt, even if it is natural for us to hunt. Its questionable now (and a major vegtarian arguement) as we have no real need to. But with all things in life; people dont like change!

The small cock syndrome isnt to be taken literally... i mean it in the sense that someone who feels it necessary to act out in an attempt to gain respect and recognition from others, proving he is higher in the food chain, as i honestly cant see the desire to gang up and kill an animal just for fun

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over a year ago

"i just cant wrap my head around using hounds to kill them and going out of your way to kill them. shooting to defend chickens or disease or your land etc fine. same reason as a rat.

its a sport which kills. no sport should be for killing"

At the risk of getting hate mail, if we have a kill, to me it is a bonus as it is another furry rodent gone...I cannot think of them as anything but vermin.

So whether I hunt them on horseback with dogs or shoot them with a gun, the end result for me is the same...dead vermin.

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over a year ago

I prefer to shoot them .... and am prepared to accept the inevitable backlash- the hunt has never really cauight on here..... but they are vermin- and I treat them as such- and as per an earlier post... we don't poison rats- our cats are here for a reason

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

"i just cant wrap my head around using hounds to kill them and going out of your way to kill them. shooting to defend chickens or disease or your land etc fine. same reason as a rat.

its a sport which kills. no sport should be for killing

At the risk of getting hate mail, if we have a kill, to me it is a bonus as it is another furry rodent gone...I cannot think of them as anything but vermin.

So whether I hunt them on horseback with dogs or shoot them with a gun, the end result for me is the same...dead vermin.

and thats why fox hunting is hated.

no good reason for it with its methods and reasons.

just imagine thats how people _iewed horses and did the same to them

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over a year ago

"i just cant wrap my head around using hounds to kill them and going out of your way to kill them. shooting to defend chickens or disease or your land etc fine. same reason as a rat.

its a sport which kills. no sport should be for killing

At the risk of getting hate mail, if we have a kill, to me it is a bonus as it is another furry rodent gone...I cannot think of them as anything but vermin.

So whether I hunt them on horseback with dogs or shoot them with a gun, the end result for me is the same...dead vermin.

Well you certainly wont get any hate mail from me totaly agree with everything youve posted

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

and note wyrdsis and Sexpot and Kinky you wont be geting any hate mail from me at all lol. i got nothing but respect for you guys and your open points of _iew. its good for us all to see two sides of something. your still lovely pink humans to me lol x

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over a year ago

"i just cant wrap my head around using hounds to kill them and going out of your way to kill them. shooting to defend chickens or disease or your land etc fine. same reason as a rat.

its a sport which kills. no sport should be for killing

At the risk of getting hate mail, if we have a kill, to me it is a bonus as it is another furry rodent gone...I cannot think of them as anything but vermin.

So whether I hunt them on horseback with dogs or shoot them with a gun, the end result for me is the same...dead vermin.

and thats why fox hunting is hated.

no good reason for it with its methods and reasons.

just imagine thats how people _iewed horses and did the same to them"

You have almost proven the point that is is because they are seen as a cute furry animal that people get emotional about it lol.

For me it has reason and method. I enjoy hunting on a social level and if it results in getting rid of another fox, all the better....if there is no kill, then the ride out is always a pleasure.

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By *andKCouple
over a year ago

Norfolk

I can't be bothered to read 130+ posts so this might have been said somewhere else and if it has I apologise but the biggest blood sport in this country is of course fishing - but then the 'common' man is fully committed to this past time so it always falls under the radar.

(puts hard hat on and goes and hides under the table)

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over a year ago

"and note wyrdsis and Sexpot and Kinky you wont be geting any hate mail from me at all lol. i got nothing but respect for you guys and your open points of _iew. its good for us all to see two sides of something. your still lovely pink humans to me lol x"

It is kinky here, and you are right, a good debate with both points of _iew is excellent fun. Nobody says we have to agree, it would be a boring debate if we did lol

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over a year ago

"I can't be bothered to read 130+ posts so this might have been said somewhere else and if it has I apologise but the biggest blood sport in this country is of course fishing - but then the 'common' man is fully committed to this past time so it always falls under the radar.

(puts hard hat on and goes and hides under the table)"

But fish are not fluffy!

Besides, some would argue that is is done for food as they eat the kill...after they have hooked its mouth and had it gasping before beating it on the head...others just make it suffer then chuck it back so it can go through it again with another fisherman lol

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over a year ago

You have almost proven the point that is is because they are seen as a cute furry animal that people get emotional about it lol.

For me it has reason and method. I enjoy hunting on a social level and if it results in getting rid of another fox, all the better....if there is no kill, then the ride out is always a pleasure."

if it's not about the kill...why are you all opposed to it being illegal?

why not stick to scent hunts...if it is purely for the pleasure of the ride out

why is it so important that an animal die at the end of it?

i'm yet to hear this argument in this thread

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

It is kinky here, and you are right, a good debate with both points of _iew is excellent fun. Nobody says we have to agree, it would be a boring debate if we did lol

exactly i have really enjoyed it. but just cos we have different point of _iews dont make me judge the person. i respect people that have different opinions ands thats how it should be. to many people get shitting cos someone dont agree with them lol x i would take you all to the pub so we could get pissed over it lol x

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

(puts hard hat on and goes and hides under the table)"

hey get out from under there and face this god dam music lol.

sexpot put that cd back on again will ya lol x

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By *obblybitsCouple
over a year ago

huddersfield

as a little girl living in the countryside had friends who owned farms and spent most of my summer holidays with them. I understand animals die and I understand we eat them animals, but at 9 or 10 me and a friend walked down the canal bank and found a fox in a trap dying being eaten alive and there was no reason to have done it.

we saw foxes often they feared humans and almost always would run away not like (so what I have heard) the foxes in london etc.

there is just no need to hunt down animals to kill for what the fun of (lets say) upper class toffs who think that this game of dead or alive is right.

I just can not even think about it, I have known farmers shooting foxes when there has been a large killing of hens etc which still boggles me but he is not doing it for sport he is doing it for his livelihood.

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over a year ago

You have almost proven the point that is is because they are seen as a cute furry animal that people get emotional about it lol.

For me it has reason and method. I enjoy hunting on a social level and if it results in getting rid of another fox, all the better....if there is no kill, then the ride out is always a pleasure.

if it's not about the kill...why are you all opposed to it being illegal?

why not stick to scent hunts...if it is purely for the pleasure of the ride out

why is it so important that an animal die at the end of it?

i'm yet to hear this argument in this thread"

The ride out and the thrill of the hunt/chase is great fun, and chasing it to its end ( the fox demise) just heightens the excitement. I love the hunt and each tine hope we find one of them. I have no love of foxes and have no qualms with killing them either with dogs or gun.

So a hunt with scent is not a hunt it is a hack.

It is a bonus if there is a kill on the hunt. Personally I would love it if we got one on every hunt, sadly it doesn't happen. This does not mean the hunt has not been a pleasure on the social side.

Bloody vermin!

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over a year ago

"as a little girl living in the countryside had friends who owned farms and spent most of my summer holidays with them. I understand animals die and I understand we eat them animals, but at 9 or 10 me and a friend walked down the canal bank and found a fox in a trap dying being eaten alive and there was no reason to have done it.

we saw foxes often they feared humans and almost always would run away not like (so what I have heard) the foxes in london etc.

there is just no need to hunt down animals to kill for what the fun of (lets say) upper class toffs who think that this game of dead or alive is right.

Upper class toffs?!?!?.

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over a year ago

I think the point been danced around is "intent". Killing an animal in a) such a way that it doesn't realy get a chance to realise what is going on, or b) scare it half to death *on purpose* for our own gratification.

You can argue whether the animal in question has the capacity to understand this or not*, the real point is we do [or should]. And as such it is more a statement of what we are or want to be more than anything.

*Side note, saw a video a while back with two dogs in a swimming pool; one was trying to get out but was too small. The other dog got out, went around and pulled the other one out. It at least shows a degree of empathy, that is the capacity to understand what something else is experiencing.

Additionally the documentary about Halal meat a while back and the silting of the animals throat clearly shows the animals are aware that they are bleeding out to death - after all pain and understanding the cause are a *key* biological process for survival.

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over a year ago

You have almost proven the point that is is because they are seen as a cute furry animal that people get emotional about it lol.

For me it has reason and method. I enjoy hunting on a social level and if it results in getting rid of another fox, all the better....if there is no kill, then the ride out is always a pleasure.

if it's not about the kill...why are you all opposed to it being illegal?

why not stick to scent hunts...if it is purely for the pleasure of the ride out

why is it so important that an animal die at the end of it?

i'm yet to hear this argument in this thread

So a hunt with scent is not a hunt it is a hack.

It is a bonus if there is a kill on the hunt. Personally I would love it if we got one on every hunt, sadly it doesn't happen. This does not mean the hunt has not been a pleasure on the social side.

Bloody vermin!"

which is what differentiates it between a sport and a blood sport and why it should remain unlawful.

too many people have made the comment that it is to keep the numbers down...the reality is, it's the brutality that excites you

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over a year ago

It is a bonus if there is a kill on the hunt. Personally I would love it if we got one on every hunt, sadly it doesn't happen. This does not mean the hunt has not been a pleasure on the social side.

Bloody vermin!"

Perhaps you should get you and your hunt down to Number 10, I hear they have a vermin problem. Hell so long as you get a few rats to kill should be a thrill! (rats are harder to catch than foxes!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is kinky here, and you are right, a good debate with both points of _iew is excellent fun. Nobody says we have to agree, it would be a boring debate if we did lol

Youll regret saying that lol

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over a year ago

" I also feel sorry for all the people who lost their jobs when hunting was banned. No thought for their living either?"

I need to ask, exactly what jobs where lost?

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over a year ago

You have almost proven the point that is is because they are seen as a cute furry animal that people get emotional about it lol.

For me it has reason and method. I enjoy hunting on a social level and if it results in getting rid of another fox, all the better....if there is no kill, then the ride out is always a pleasure.

if it's not about the kill...why are you all opposed to it being illegal?

why not stick to scent hunts...if it is purely for the pleasure of the ride out

why is it so important that an animal die at the end of it?

i'm yet to hear this argument in this thread

So a hunt with scent is not a hunt it is a hack.

It is a bonus if there is a kill on the hunt. Personally I would love it if we got one on every hunt, sadly it doesn't happen. This does not mean the hunt has not been a pleasure on the social side.

Bloody vermin!

which is what differentiates it between a sport and a blood sport and why it should remain unlawful.

too many people have made the comment that it is to keep the numbers down...the reality is, it's the brutality that excites you"

Have you read all the threads? I have and I dont believe keeping the numbers down has been an arguement through the thread, but that fact they are vermin.

I enjoy it all, the social side, the ride and yes the thrill of the kill. Not ever hunt results in a kill and as I have said it is a bonus to me as it is another one gone.

The brutality?....alot quicker and not as cruel as traps/poison or shooting ( for those who are not a crack shot) which is acceptable on other vermin.

But then because you dont chase them and it is not classed as a sport it is ok to do that to an animal isnt it?!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Ok so i may get shot down here but..........

Who decided foxes were vermin ?

They are animals who have been around a long time.

Are they "vermin" because they kill some chickens ?

Are they "vermin" because there are too many of them ?

???????????

Urban foxes are so because they are unable to live in their natural habitat, because we...humans decide we want all the land the foxes lived on...

So in order to live and survive...they must go hunting..

We have come along way since cavemen days so we have no need to

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over a year ago

Have you read all the threads? I have and I dont believe keeping the numbers down has been an arguement through the thread, but that fact they are vermin.

I enjoy it all, the social side, the ride and yes the thrill of the kill. Not ever hunt results in a kill and as I have said it is a bonus to me as it is another one gone.

The brutality?....alot quicker and not as cruel as traps/poison or shooting ( for those who are not a crack shot) which is acceptable on other vermin.

But then because you dont chase them and it is not classed as a sport it is ok to do that to an animal isnt it?!"

So just to clarify, you say you do it for the social side and the thrill of the chase/hunt, but drag hunting doesn't have the same thrill?

Just because it is vermin [to some] isn't really an excuse in my book, why foxes and not rabbits/hares (and other fluffy cute things) which do more commercial damage than foxes?

Hell I know someone who used to hunt with hounds and now does drag hunting that has quite a few cats. Point been I also know quite a few people who call cats vermin and wouldn't mind getting a pack of dogs to chase them down and rip them to bits. I doubt that would get the same vocal backing as it is not a "social tradition", but all traditions start and end somewhere.

*shrugs* Larry Niven - Bordered In Black...

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over a year ago

Nobody will shoot you down for asking a question or having an opinion...or I would hope not.

I have just pasted the definition of vermin as it says it all really.

Foxes are classed as vermin because they come under the definition as such lol

ver·min (vûrmn)

n. pl. vermin

1. Various small animals or insects, such as rats or cockroaches, that are destructive, annoying, or injurious to health.

2. Animals that prey on game, such as foxes or weasels.

As a person with livestock and having preventative methods to try and deter, they are still a pest.

They do not just kill one to eat but will kill a whole batch and then take one away.

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By *ornwall-maleMan
over a year ago

newquay

It is kinky here, and you are right, a good debate with both points of _iew is excellent fun. Nobody says we have to agree, it would be a boring debate if we did lol

Youll regret saying that lol

i wont i love a good piss up lol x plus i can try it on with these ladies lol x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"...........

Urban foxes are so because they are unable to live in their natural habitat, because we...humans decide we want all the land the foxes lived on...

So in order to live and survive...they must go hunting..

.............. "

That doesn't seem to be the case in Glasgow.

The foxes around here find the garbage abandoned by unthinking individuals and supermarkets an easier feed than having to chase and kill in the countryside.

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over a year ago

Have you read all the threads? I have and I dont believe keeping the numbers down has been an arguement through the thread, but that fact they are vermin.

I enjoy it all, the social side, the ride and yes the thrill of the kill. Not ever hunt results in a kill and as I have said it is a bonus to me as it is another one gone.

The brutality?....alot quicker and not as cruel as traps/poison or shooting ( for those who are not a crack shot) which is acceptable on other vermin.

But then because you dont chase them and it is not classed as a sport it is ok to do that to an animal isnt it?!

So just to clarify, you say you do it for the social side and the thrill of the chase/hunt, but drag hunting doesn't have the same thrill?

Just because it is vermin [to some] isn't really an excuse in my book, why foxes and not rabbits/hares (and other fluffy cute things) which do more commercial damage than foxes?

*shrugs* Larry Niven - Bordered In Black...

And again.....Yes I do enjoy the kill and it is not a hunt if you are not chasing an animal but following a scent....it is a ride out with your dogs!

Bit like the different between fucking a woman and a fleshlight.....one is infinitely more exciting than the other!...and yes I asm aware that no animals are harmed in that scenario..just a bit of humour lol

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over a year ago

It is kinky here, and you are right, a good debate with both points of _iew is excellent fun. Nobody says we have to agree, it would be a boring debate if we did lol

Youll regret saying that lol

i wont i love a good piss up lol x plus i can try it on with these ladies lol x"

Haha and we can all debate the ethics of Fox hunting while you try n get ya end away

yur all heart you hahah

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over a year ago

Have you read all the threads? I have and I dont believe keeping the numbers down has been an arguement through the thread, but that fact they are vermin.

I enjoy it all, the social side, the ride and yes the thrill of the kill. Not ever hunt results in a kill and as I have said it is a bonus to me as it is another one gone.

The brutality?....alot quicker and not as cruel as traps/poison or shooting ( for those who are not a crack shot) which is acceptable on other vermin.

But then because you dont chase them and it is not classed as a sport it is ok to do that to an animal isnt it?!"

which brings me back to my original question, if it is not JUST the kill that excites you, why do you have to kill?

why is it a big issue for hunts to have a kill at the end of it?

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over a year ago

I believe I have covered this.

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over a year ago

And again.....Yes I do enjoy the kill and it is not a hunt if you are not chasing an animal but following a scent....it is a ride out with your dogs!

so it's the thrill of hunting *something* I guess. Hmmm well each to their own, but doesn't make me feel any more optimistic for the human species.

(It's similar to why rich and powerful people fuck over over people, the power of holding someones future/live in their hands and the thrill of it. I have had this said to me first hand btw).

As for fleshlight and no animals involved, this may make you laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK9ydu3qUGk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lol, I have heard that one before lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think there was an expectations that it would be overturned with the new brokeback coalition...i also think they're biding their time, but it will happen.

i'm against anything having to die under the auspices of entertainment.

no different to dog fighting or cock fights....which are both illegal and never set to return.

only difference is it keeps the gentry amused"

anti hunting and anti comments like this "the new brokeback coalition"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Nobody will shoot you down for asking a question or having an opinion...or I would hope not.

I have just pasted the definition of vermin as it says it all really.

Foxes are classed as vermin because they come under the definition as such lol

ver·min (vûrmn)

n. pl. vermin

1. Various small animals or insects, such as rats or cockroaches, that are destructive, annoying, or injurious to health.

2. Animals that prey on game, such as foxes or weasels.

As a person with livestock and having preventative methods to try and deter, they are still a pest.

They do not just kill one to eat but will kill a whole batch and then take one away."

Well another _iew is ....

I went and googled etc "vermin" and if foxes came under the heading of and no they dont.

Its the _iew of the "hunting fraternity" that labled them so.

Re urban foxes...

We have here by me and not once has anyone complained about their habits.

Im not suprised they are here.

Their own habitat has been used for factories and housing.

But we have no mice problems...Only cat problems with them breeding like buggery.

So maybe the hunt can get rid of them.

It will save me garden bieng crapped in

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over a year ago

ver·min (vûrmn)

*Obnoxious, objectionable, or disgusting animals collectively, especially those that appear commonly and are difficult to control.

*Various animals that are destructive, annoying, or injurious to health.

*animals that prey upon game.

People?

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over a year ago

ver·min (vûrmn)

*Obnoxious, objectionable, or disgusting animals collectively, especially those that appear commonly and are difficult to control.

*Various animals that are destructive, annoying, or injurious to health.

*animals that prey upon game.

People?

lol

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over a year ago

ver·min (vûrmn)

*Obnoxious, objectionable, or disgusting animals collectively, especially those that appear commonly and are difficult to control.

*Various animals that are destructive, annoying, or injurious to health.

*animals that prey upon game.

People?

lol"

Actually we are a virus according to Agent Smith ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Na9-jV_OJI

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nobody will shoot you down for asking a question or having an opinion...or I would hope not.

I have just pasted the definition of vermin as it says it all really.

Foxes are classed as vermin because they come under the definition as such lol

ver·min (vûrmn)

n. pl. vermin

1. Various small animals or insects, such as rats or cockroaches, that are destructive, annoying, or injurious to health.

2. Animals that prey on game, such as foxes or weasels.

As a person with livestock and having preventative methods to try and deter, they are still a pest.

They do not just kill one to eat but will kill a whole batch and then take one away.

Well another _iew is ....

I went and googled etc "vermin" and if foxes came under the heading of and no they dont.

Its the _iew of the "hunting fraternity" that labled them so.

Re urban foxes...

We have here by me and not once has anyone complained about their habits.

Im not suprised they are here.

Their own habitat has been used for factories and housing.

But we have no mice problems...Only cat problems with them breeding like buggery.

So maybe the hunt can get rid of them.

It will save me garden bieng crapped in

ummm...I think the definition did have foxes as vermin...I posted it! lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"...

ummm...I think the definition did have foxes as vermin...I posted it! lol

Depends on whose definition you are using. Rabbits cute and fluffy (*awww*), vermin in Australia (*stomp stomp stomp*)... etc

Anyhow read Bordered in Black short story by Larry Niven (N-Space collection)... really do, it was almost a cathartic moment for me!

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over a year ago

"...

ummm...I think the definition did have foxes as vermin...I posted it! lol

Depends on whose definition you are using. Rabbits cute and fluffy (*awww*), vermin in Australia (*stomp stomp stomp*)... etc

Anyhow read Bordered in Black short story by Larry Niven (N-Space collection)... really do, it was almost a cathartic moment for me!"

I shoot rabbits aswell- they're vile when wild

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

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ummm...I think the definition did have foxes as vermin...I posted it! lol

Depends on whose definition you are using. Rabbits cute and fluffy (*awww*), vermin in Australia (*stomp stomp stomp*)... etc

Anyhow read Bordered in Black short story by Larry Niven (N-Space collection)... really do, it was almost a cathartic moment for me!

I shoot rabbits aswell- they're vile when wild"

Stop shooting at them.....you are making them wild!

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over a year ago

That's what i love about the human race

If something annoys us or damages our things or invades our space IE vermin and insects (as we fondly refer ta other life forms)

We automatically think we have the right to kill

And yes im putting myself in that equation too before anyone thinks differently

It just saddens me that we think we are better than anything else

Here's hoping that one day a far superior race from a distant galaxy doesn't _iew us with the same attitude and dislike xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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ummm...I think the definition did have foxes as vermin...I posted it! lol

Depends on whose definition you are using. Rabbits cute and fluffy (*awww*), vermin in Australia (*stomp stomp stomp*)... etc

Anyhow read Bordered in Black short story by Larry Niven (N-Space collection)... really do, it was almost a cathartic moment for me!

I shoot rabbits aswell- they're vile when wild"

They might have that desease...

"mixeshistoesup"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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ummm...I think the definition did have foxes as vermin...I posted it! lol

Depends on whose definition you are using. Rabbits cute and fluffy (*awww*), vermin in Australia (*stomp stomp stomp*)... etc

Anyhow read Bordered in Black short story by Larry Niven (N-Space collection)... really do, it was almost a cathartic moment for me!

I shoot rabbits aswell- they're vile when wild

Stop shooting at them.....you are making them wild!

Tough monkeys!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/feedback/14562

Only these links allowed please x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/feedback/14562

Only these links allowed please x"

Damn...no dictionary definitions allowed?????

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Nobody will shoot you down for asking a question or having an opinion...or I would hope not.

I have just pasted the definition of vermin as it says it all really.

Foxes are classed as vermin because they come under the definition as such lol

ver·min (vûrmn)

n. pl. vermin

1. Various small animals or insects, such as rats or cockroaches, that are destructive, annoying, or injurious to health.

2. Animals that prey on game, such as foxes or weasels.

As a person with livestock and having preventative methods to try and deter, they are still a pest.

They do not just kill one to eat but will kill a whole batch and then take one away.

Well another _iew is ....

I went and googled etc "vermin" and if foxes came under the heading of and no they dont.

Its the _iew of the "hunting fraternity" that labled them so.

Re urban foxes...

We have here by me and not once has anyone complained about their habits.

Im not suprised they are here.

Their own habitat has been used for factories and housing.

But we have no mice problems...Only cat problems with them breeding like buggery.

So maybe the hunt can get rid of them.

It will save me garden bieng crapped in

ummm...I think the definition did have foxes as vermin...I posted it! lol

Im not saying i disbelive you..

But that the term "vermin" is simply used by the people who try and justify the fact that they kill them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's what i love about the human race

If something annoys us or damages our things or invades our space IE vermin and insects (as we fondly refer ta other life forms)

We automatically think we have the right to kill

And yes im putting myself in that equation too before anyone thinks differently

It just saddens me that we think we are better than anything else

Here's hoping that one day a far superior race from a distant galaxy doesn't _iew us with the same attitude and dislike xx

I have no qualms- am headin to hell anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Pro.

1. Foxes are not cute and cuddly, they're nasty, vicious indiscriminate killers, known to attack and kill humans, livestock and domestic pets.

2. Many rural dwellers lost their livelihoods because of the ban - the kennels, the stables for the "rented" horses, local trade on hunt days etc etc.

Sorry am I being thick? your 1 and 2 are total contradictions? and how may humans have been killed by foxes...come on!!

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

"Hunting

Just been watching steve wright and was somewhat amazed that the "big fight" was still raging.

I know that there are now laws re dogs etc but didnt know to what extent the anti hunt were still fighting.

Oh and im "anti hunt" by the way..

Do you mean fox hunting or just hunting in general as there are some people in certain parts of the world who still need to hunt their food - there's a distinct lack of supermarkets in some parts! The local hunt to us where I was brought up never managed to actually get any foxes - occasionally had a bit of a sniff but they were just too wily for them! The hunt participants weren't all toffs, they were a mix of farmers, local people who liked to have a ride then get pissed! The hunt sabatours were lunatics - rent a mob who didn't know why they were there - they just wanted a fight! So. I'm neither for or against fox hunting as it's banned anyway! Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know nothing about the subject so I won't comment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know nothing about the subject so I won't comment. "

I wouldn't let a small matter like that stop you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anti - but not against Hunting or Fishing for " FOOD "

But - Chasing a "Hungry" small animal seems pointless !! - its only the rich with horses and fook all else to do but chase an animal until it gives up !!!

smear the animals blood on their face and go home or proudly to the pub and pretend what a nice person you are....

if your going to chase a fox - Hunt it or RUN - after it you lazy fat fookers x

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By *ouple1234Couple
over a year ago

BELFAST UK

"Anti - but not against Hunting or Fishing for " FOOD "

But - Chasing a "Hungry" small animal seems pointless !! - its only the rich with horses and fook all else to do but chase an animal until it gives up !!!

smear the animals blood on their face and go home or proudly to the pub and pretend what a nice person you are....

if your going to chase a fox - Hunt it or RUN - after it you lazy fat fookers x"

You cant paint everyone with the same brush, im not rich fat or lazy so pick your words more carefuly, thank you

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

I'd really love to know how many anti fox hunting people have actually been to one, met the people in them and know anything about it! I don't agree with cruelty in any way shape or form to either human or animal but you need to know what you're talking about before sweeping - and often incorrect - comments are made. Z

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

anti,

i am sure everyone has already said reasons for and against,like abortion it is one of those arguments where i don't think a single persons mind has ever been changed by debate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pro. Ever seen a hen house after a fox has been through it.

And

a) its not just toffs

b) even if so, why shouldnt toffs enjoy themselves too?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I actually think its been a good levelled debate

But theres always one aint there

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Pro. Ever seen a hen house after a fox has been through it.

And

a) its not just toffs

b) even if so, why shouldnt toffs enjoy themselves too?"

Oh and i aint on about you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so who will be going hunting this summer

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

anti hunting..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have you read all the threads? I have and I dont believe keeping the numbers down has been an arguement through the thread, but that fact they are vermin.

I enjoy it all, the social side, the ride and yes the thrill of the kill. Not ever hunt results in a kill and as I have said it is a bonus to me as it is another one gone.

The brutality?....alot quicker and not as cruel as traps/poison or shooting ( for those who are not a crack shot) which is acceptable on other vermin.

But then because you dont chase them and it is not classed as a sport it is ok to do that to an animal isnt it?!

which brings me back to my original question, if it is not JUST the kill that excites you, why do you have to kill?

why is it a big issue for hunts to have a kill at the end of it?

the whole point is to keep the numbers down , if you look into the fox issue you can see they are getting bigger bolder and more of a danger

if you look http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343464/Biggest-Ever-fox-caught-Britain-4ft-cat-killer-trapped-vet.html

wud you want your child anywhere near a wild animal who has already been shown to bite humans already ..

checked list of links its a main newspaper so is on the list ~:P

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Bet those "prohunting" and watching the rugby saw a opportunity to get the hounds out today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lol that made me laff when i saw the little fella and princess ann's face was a look that said it all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd really love to know how many anti fox hunting people have actually been to one, met the people in them and know anything about it! I don't agree with cruelty in any way shape or form to either human or animal but you need to know what you're talking about before sweeping - and often incorrect - comments are made. Z"

I don't think you technically need to have first hand experience of everything in order to form an opinion on it - there is plenty of information both for and against most emotive issues for people to make balanced judgements. I've never visited a country that is ruled by a ruthless dictator for example but having read and seen information I think I can safely form an opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so who will be going hunting this summer

No one as the season doesn't start there.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Exactly.

Never been to mt everest but know its high...

Never been to death valley but know it hot ...

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