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"There is never undoubtable proof, thats the point. " ??? Surely the footage of the soldier being hacked to death was undoubtably proof  | |||
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"There is never undoubtable proof, thats the point. " Yes there is. Guy who killed my brother was seen doing it by my sister in law and nephew (they've nevet been the same since)..he was known to them and they whitnessed it happen...actually saw him plunge the knife in. The man then freely admitted it was him once the police caught up with him He was soaked in my brothers blood. his prints were on the knife used. His bloody hand and footprints all over the scene. was definitely him...zero questions | |||
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"There is never undoubtable proof, thats the point. " as stated stephan clisco convicted and imprioned on the strength of a "confesion " a confesion forced out of him a man who was at best autistic held in a cell for days untill he confessed . this was later found to be an unsafe conviction and he was rightfully released some years after the real culprit was found tried and incarserated now tell me how hanging clisco would of been "justice " tell me there would of been an investigation to catch the real killer ? an eye for an eye just leaves folk blind | |||
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"There is never undoubtable proof, thats the point. Yes there is. Guy who killed my brother was seen doing it by my sister in law and nephew (they've nevet been the same since)..he was known to them and they whitnessed it happen...actually saw him plunge the knife in. The man then freely admitted it was him once the police caught up with him He was soaked in my brothers blood. his prints were on the knife used. His bloody hand and footprints all over the scene. was definitely him...zero questions " The jurors weren't witnesses though, and they are the ones who have to decide. | |||
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"There is never undoubtable proof, thats the point. ??? Surely the footage of the soldier being hacked to death was undoubtably proof "Video footage can be altered, I'm not saying that in this case it was, but it can be, so no, it isn't irrefutable proof. | |||
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"Not the death penalty. But used for scientific research. " That I like. But only for the really groutesque experiments  | |||
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"Totally against it. Since 1973 150 US prisoners have been exonerated who were on death row. China, Iraq and Iran are the three leading countries for capital punishment and their trials are often unjust. They torture to get confessions. It's used to publish political opponents. Why would any ethical human being support it when used in this way?" Not that I am for it but we are not Iran, China or Iraq. | |||
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"There is never undoubtable proof, thats the point. Yes there is. Guy who killed my brother was seen doing it by my sister in law and nephew (they've nevet been the same since)..he was known to them and they whitnessed it happen...actually saw him plunge the knife in. The man then freely admitted it was him once the police caught up with him He was soaked in my brothers blood. his prints were on the knife used. His bloody hand and footprints all over the scene. was definitely him...zero questions The jurors weren't witnesses though, and they are the ones who have to decide. " Good for them 
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"You can't say something is wrong than use the that thing to punish wrong doing. Anyone that says so and so should be strung up or shot, then goes on to say I'd happily pull the trigger myself. Well if we had the death penalty and you do then you too would be put to death. Don't you see killing is WRONG whether it's an individual doing regardless of the motivation or the state as a punitive measure. " Yes you can. I'll put you down to house Huntley if he's released. | |||
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"Totally against it. Since 1973 150 US prisoners have been exonerated who were on death row. China, Iraq and Iran are the three leading countries for capital punishment and their trials are often unjust. They torture to get confessions. It's used to publish political opponents. Why would any ethical human being support it when used in this way?" But we aren't in those countries or discussing those countries, so that is not a valid argument... | |||
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"There is never undoubtable proof, thats the point. Yes there is. Guy who killed my brother was seen doing it by my sister in law and nephew (they've nevet been the same since)..he was known to them and they whitnessed it happen...actually saw him plunge the knife in. The man then freely admitted it was him once the police caught up with him He was soaked in my brothers blood. his prints were on the knife used. His bloody hand and footprints all over the scene. was definitely him...zero questions The jurors weren't witnesses though, and they are the ones who have to decide. Good for them
"You see my point though? I'm sure it wasn't the case with your brother, but people have been framed in the past. I've been in a situation involving the rape of someone close to me (the person was never convicted) and whilst it is hard to convery how much I would like them to be convicted, I don't think that their death would really help the victim. | |||
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"Totally against it. Since 1973 150 US prisoners have been exonerated who were on death row. China, Iraq and Iran are the three leading countries for capital punishment and their trials are often unjust. They torture to get confessions. It's used to publish political opponents. Why would any ethical human being support it when used in this way? But we aren't in those countries or discussing those countries, so that is not a valid argument..." The heading did not say UK. I missed first thread. I'm still against it anyway. Look at the Easter Uprisings. That was barbaric how the leaders were executed afterwards. | |||
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"You can't say something is wrong than use the that thing to punish wrong doing. Anyone that says so and so should be strung up or shot, then goes on to say I'd happily pull the trigger myself. Well if we had the death penalty and you do then you too would be put to death. Don't you see killing is WRONG whether it's an individual doing regardless of the motivation or the state as a punitive measure. Yes you can. I'll put you down to house Huntley if he's released." So you want to murder him then, you want to kill him you want to end another persons life. You want to become a murderer yourself, Huntley is a sick man that should never be released. | |||
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"You can't say something is wrong than use the that thing to punish wrong doing. Anyone that says so and so should be strung up or shot, then goes on to say I'd happily pull the trigger myself. Well if we had the death penalty and you do then you too would be put to death. Don't you see killing is WRONG whether it's an individual doing regardless of the motivation or the state as a punitive measure. Yes you can. I'll put you down to house Huntley if he's released. So you want to murder him then, you want to kill him you want to end another persons life. You want to become a murderer yourself, Huntley is a sick man that should never be released. " No but I would like to see him locked up for life, but my guess is he wont be | |||
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"You can't say something is wrong than use the that thing to punish wrong doing. Anyone that says so and so should be strung up or shot, then goes on to say I'd happily pull the trigger myself. Well if we had the death penalty and you do then you too would be put to death. Don't you see killing is WRONG whether it's an individual doing regardless of the motivation or the state as a punitive measure. Yes you can. I'll put you down to house Huntley if he's released. So you want to murder him then, you want to kill him you want to end another persons life. You want to become a murderer yourself, Huntley is a sick man that should never be released. " Amazing how the argument against is always the same tired old one. As you love kiddie fiddlers and murderers so much you shouls take them in to your household. I will assume you don't have children. But have no doubt you know people who do who share your views and will trust them with their kids. | |||
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"There is never undoubtable proof, thats the point. Yes there is. Guy who killed my brother was seen doing it by my sister in law and nephew (they've never been the same since)..he was known to them and they whitnessed it happen...actually saw him plunge the knife in. The man then freely admitted it was him once the police caught up with him He was soaked in my brothers blood. his prints were on the knife used. His bloody hand and footprints all over the scene. was definitely him...zero questions The jurors weren't witnesses though, and they are the ones who have to decide. Good for them
You see my point though?
I'm sure it wasn't the case with your brother, but people have been framed in the past.
I've been in a situation involving the rape of someone close to me (the person was never convicted) and whilst it is hard to convery how much I would like them to be convicted, I don't think that their death would really help the victim. "I do. But my point is that in this particular case..it's absolutely proved that the man killed him. Pre meditated...my nephew still suffers seeing that...is scared shitless of the day he gets released (which he will)..a boy living his life in fear of a monster I know im biased and whatnot so my opinions is skewed and isn't necessarily right but i would smile if that man recieved the death sentence. | |||
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"There is never undoubtable proof, thats the point. Yes there is. Guy who killed my brother was seen doing it by my sister in law and nephew (they've nevet been the same since)..he was known to them and they whitnessed it happen...actually saw him plunge the knife in. The man then freely admitted it was him once the police caught up with him He was soaked in my brothers blood. his prints were on the knife used. His bloody hand and footprints all over the scene. was definitely him...zero questions " Harrowing tale but the amount of incorrectly executed blacks was apparently the reason for its abolishment | |||
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"You can't say something is wrong than use the that thing to punish wrong doing. Anyone that says so and so should be strung up or shot, then goes on to say I'd happily pull the trigger myself. Well if we had the death penalty and you do then you too would be put to death. Don't you see killing is WRONG whether it's an individual doing regardless of the motivation or the state as a punitive measure. Yes you can. I'll put you down to house Huntley if he's released. So you want to murder him then, you want to kill him you want to end another persons life. You want to become a murderer yourself, Huntley is a sick man that should never be released. No but I would like to see him locked up for life, but my guess is he wont be" Well he isn't serving a full life tariff but he does have a 40 year minimum term. So he can't be released until 2042 at the earliest by which time he will be 68. He won't be rele | |||
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"Unfotunately this is a futile debate all the time we are in the EU. But my stance remains. Certain crimes (ie, any rape, torture or murder of a child) deserve the death penalty. Anyone who thinks they should be rehanilited back into society can take them into their household and let them do the baby sitting." well thats just an invitation to anyone committing crimes of that nature to kill all victims and witnesses. If you aren't already a cop then with that kind of enlightened thinking perhaps you should consider it. | |||
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"You can't say something is wrong than use the that thing to punish wrong doing. Anyone that says so and so should be strung up or shot, then goes on to say I'd happily pull the trigger myself. Well if we had the death penalty and you do then you too would be put to death. Don't you see killing is WRONG whether it's an individual doing regardless of the motivation or the state as a punitive measure. Yes you can. I'll put you down to house Huntley if he's released. So you want to murder him then, you want to kill him you want to end another persons life. You want to become a murderer yourself, Huntley is a sick man that should never be released. Amazing how the argument against is always the same tired old one. As you love kiddie fiddlers and murderers so much you shouls take them in to your household. I will assume you don't have children. But have no doubt you know people who do who share your views and will trust them with their kids." As a result of Ian Huntley more checks are carried out now for those who's jobs bring them into contact with children. Don't you risk making martyrs of criminals by executing them? | |||
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"You can't say something is wrong than use the that thing to punish wrong doing. Anyone that says so and so should be strung up or shot, then goes on to say I'd happily pull the trigger myself. Well if we had the death penalty and you do then you too would be put to death. Don't you see killing is WRONG whether it's an individual doing regardless of the motivation or the state as a punitive measure. Yes you can. I'll put you down to house Huntley if he's released. So you want to murder him then, you want to kill him you want to end another persons life. You want to become a murderer yourself, Huntley is a sick man that should never be released. Amazing how the argument against is always the same tired old one. As you love kiddie fiddlers and murderers so much you shouls take them in to your household. I will assume you don't have children. But have no doubt you know people who do who share your views and will trust them with their kids." The fact that a person does not believe it is right to execute someone for a crime or any crime does not mean that they believe that the person should not be punished, or that they love them, or that they want them to come and live with them. It just means that they believe that execution by the state is not the correct punishment for the criminals crime or any crime. | |||
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"There is never undoubtable proof, thats the point. Yes there is. Guy who killed my brother was seen doing it by my sister in law and nephew (they've never been the same since)..he was known to them and they whitnessed it happen...actually saw him plunge the knife in. The man then freely admitted it was him once the police caught up with him He was soaked in my brothers blood. his prints were on the knife used. His bloody hand and footprints all over the scene. was definitely him...zero questions The jurors weren't witnesses though, and they are the ones who have to decide. Good for them
You see my point though?
I'm sure it wasn't the case with your brother, but people have been framed in the past.
I've been in a situation involving the rape of someone close to me (the person was never convicted) and whilst it is hard to convery how much I would like them to be convicted, I don't think that their death would really help the victim.
I do.
But my point is that in this particular case..it's absolutely proved that the man killed him.
Pre meditated...my nephew still suffers seeing that...is scared shitless of the day he gets released (which he will)..a boy living his life in fear of a monster
I know im biased and whatnot so my opinions is skewed and isn't necessarily right but i would smile if that man recieved the death sentence. "I don't think anyone could disagree with you and if I was in your position I would probably pull the trigger mysafe | |||
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"The previous post filled. For or against the death penalty?" I was originally for the death penalty if it's proved beyond doubt but part of me thinks it's a easy way out, if we could solve the cost problem(take anything they own from them and sell it) I would be tempted to keep them in a cell barely big enough to stretch out in and feed them bread and water for the rest of there life. Give them plenty if time to reflect | |||
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"You can't say something is wrong than use the that thing to punish wrong doing. Anyone that says so and so should be strung up or shot, then goes on to say I'd happily pull the trigger myself. Well if we had the death penalty and you do then you too would be put to death. Don't you see killing is WRONG whether it's an individual doing regardless of the motivation or the state as a punitive measure. Yes you can. I'll put you down to house Huntley if he's released. So you want to murder him then, you want to kill him you want to end another persons life. You want to become a murderer yourself, Huntley is a sick man that should never be released. Amazing how the argument against is always the same tired old one. As you love kiddie fiddlers and murderers so much you shouls take them in to your household. I will assume you don't have children. But have no doubt you know people who do who share your views and will trust them with their kids. As a result of Ian Huntley more checks are carried out now for those who's jobs bring them into contact with children. Don't you risk making martyrs of criminals by executing them? " I honestly don't think that Ian Huntley would be a good case for martyrdom. However the Guilford Three or Birmingham Six may well have become martyrs if executed, especially as it turned out they were not guilty. | |||
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"You can't say something is wrong than use the that thing to punish wrong doing. Anyone that says so and so should be strung up or shot, then goes on to say I'd happily pull the trigger myself. Well if we had the death penalty and you do then you too would be put to death. Don't you see killing is WRONG whether it's an individual doing regardless of the motivation or the state as a punitive measure. Yes you can. I'll put you down to house Huntley if he's released. So you want to murder him then, you want to kill him you want to end another persons life. You want to become a murderer yourself, Huntley is a sick man that should never be released. Amazing how the argument against is always the same tired old one. As you love kiddie fiddlers and murderers so much you shouls take them in to your household. I will assume you don't have children. But have no doubt you know people who do who share your views and will trust them with their kids." I never said I loved kiddie fiddlers and murderers, they should certainly be locked up I have no problem with that. Do I think we should be killing them then no I don't. You can assume what ever you like but you would be wrong. | |||
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"You can't say something is wrong than use the that thing to punish wrong doing. Anyone that says so and so should be strung up or shot, then goes on to say I'd happily pull the trigger myself. Well if we had the death penalty and you do then you too would be put to death. Don't you see killing is WRONG whether it's an individual doing regardless of the motivation or the state as a punitive measure. Yes you can. I'll put you down to house Huntley if he's released. So you want to murder him then, you want to kill him you want to end another persons life. You want to become a murderer yourself, Huntley is a sick man that should never be released. Amazing how the argument against is always the same tired old one. As you love kiddie fiddlers and murderers so much you shouls take them in to your household. I will assume you don't have children. But have no doubt you know people who do who share your views and will trust them with their kids. The fact that a person does not believe it is right to execute someone for a crime or any crime does not mean that they believe that the person should not be punished, or that they love them, or that they want them to come and live with them. It just means that they believe that execution by the state is not the correct punishment for the criminals crime or any crime." | |||
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"There is never undoubtable proof, thats the point. Yes there is. Guy who killed my brother was seen doing it by my sister in law and nephew (they've nevet been the same since)..he was known to them and they whitnessed it happen...actually saw him plunge the knife in. The man then freely admitted it was him once the police caught up with him He was soaked in my brothers blood. his prints were on the knife used. His bloody hand and footprints all over the scene. was definitely him...zero questions Harrowing tale but the amount of incorrectly executed blacks was apparently the reason for its abolishment " There lies the problem....absolutely proving the crime first. I'm not advocating just allowing the death sentence willy nilly..that would be daft. I'm just saying that in this case...my case..i would be happy to see it applied. | |||
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"The previous post filled. For or against the death penalty? I was originally for the death penalty if it's proved beyond doubt but part of me thinks it's a easy way out, if we could solve the cost problem(take anything they own from them and sell it) I would be tempted to keep them in a cell barely big enough to stretch out in and feed them bread and water for the rest of there life. Give them plenty if time to reflect" I don't think torturing people, however heinous or hideous their original crime, is the best solution. I think I would favour the death penalty over cruel and unusual punishment. | |||
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"My heart says yes but my head says no. Perhaps instead a life sentence should mean just that...life...and to include withdrawal of certain privileges." Like air...  | |||
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"Capital punishment is flawed . Also it does not prevent crime . " So if a serial killer who would go on to kill again is hung, how does this not prevent him further committing crime ? Not saying your wrong but I'm intrigued | |||
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"Don't think anything is a 100% and having sat on 3 juries, you are told you find someone guilty with reasonable doubt not 100% proof" Not true... It is "Beyond Reasonable Doubt". | |||
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"Don't think anything is a 100% and having sat on 3 juries, you are told you find someone guilty with reasonable doubt not 100% proof Not true... It is "Beyond Reasonable Doubt"." I stand corrected, this is what I meant | |||
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"Capital punishment is flawed . Also it does not prevent crime . So if a serial killer who would go on to kill again is hung, how does this not prevent him further committing crime ? Not saying your wrong but I'm intrigued" the death penalty does not prevent people committing the crimes that come under it. If the death penalty was re introduced for as some have suggested rape and child abuse then people committing such offences have an incentive to make sure victims and witnesses cannot give evidence against them. | |||
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"I agree with it for some crimes.Plus it stops them reoffending and the state does not have to pay for them to be kept in prison" You do know some people sit on death row for 15+ years Nobody goes down to be killed when they are sentenced, everybody has the rights to appeal etc it takes years in most cases to actually be killed Your still paying for them to go to prison | |||
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"The previous post filled. For or against the death penalty?" For - worked along side police for ten yes & seen some horrific things that go on that the public rarely find out about | |||
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"There is never undoubtable proof, thats the point. ??? Surely the footage of the soldier being hacked to death was undoubtably proof
Video footage can be altered, I'm not saying that in this case it was, but it can be, so no, it isn't irrefutable proof. "Absolutely nothing about this particular case adds up, including the identity of the supposed "victim", the complete lack of blood on video evidence for someone supposedly hacked to death, or why one of the assailants appeared to be wearing a bullet proof vest when apprehended by police. | |||
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"Capital punishment is flawed . Also it does not prevent crime . So if a serial killer who would go on to kill again is hung, how does this not prevent him further committing crime ? Not saying your wrong but I'm intrigued the death penalty does not prevent people committing the crimes that come under it. If the death penalty was re introduced for as some have suggested rape and child abuse then people committing such offences have an incentive to make sure victims and witnesses cannot give evidence against them." Well we've proved in the uk that not having a death penalty doesn't deter rapists and child abusers. I also think that anyone who would be prepared to kill after commuting rape or child abuse to prevent witnesses giving evidence is proof itself that they deserve to die for thinking in that way as it then makes it pre meditated and hence murder | |||
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" All I know is if I committed a really bad crime I would be hoping for the death penalty coz I would rather die than spend years in jail, therefore I'm against the death penalty, it isn't a punishment it's an easy way out." I have always believed that too Given the choice I'd sooner die that spend the next 30 in prison | |||
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"as i said in the other thread...for those advocating for the death penalty "what do you say to the family of an innocent person you killed?" because i don't think "oops!!!" really covers it... that would make you no better than the person you tried to punish..... " But what about someone who admits raping and murdering a child? | |||
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"as i said in the other thread...for those advocating for the death penalty "what do you say to the family of an innocent person you killed?" because i don't think "oops!!!" really covers it... that would make you no better than the person you tried to punish..... " When the Guilford four was sentenced the judge said And I quote It's a pity this country does not still carry the death sentence, a sentence I would have no problem passing in this case 15 years later they were realised innocent people and the police charged for hiding alibi's and falsifying evidence | |||
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"as i said in the other thread...for those advocating for the death penalty "what do you say to the family of an innocent person you killed?" because i don't think "oops!!!" really covers it... that would make you no better than the person you tried to punish..... But what about someone who admits raping and murdering a child?" didn't answer my question... so would you like to try again.... since we are talking about cases involving children since you want to be emotive... stefan kiszko...... what about susan clark? what about angela canning? or stephen downing? | |||
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"as i said in the other thread...for those advocating for the death penalty "what do you say to the family of an innocent person you killed?" because i don't think "oops!!!" really covers it... that would make you no better than the person you tried to punish..... But what about someone who admits raping and murdering a child? didn't answer my question... so would you like to try again.... since we are talking about cases involving children since you want to be emotive... stefan kiszko...... what about susan clark? what about angela canning? or stephen downing? " You're talking about miscarriage of justice,i wasnt,im talking about a person admitting a crime | |||
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"as i said in the other thread...for those advocating for the death penalty "what do you say to the family of an innocent person you killed?" because i don't think "oops!!!" really covers it... that would make you no better than the person you tried to punish..... But what about someone who admits raping and murdering a child? didn't answer my question... so would you like to try again.... since we are talking about cases involving children since you want to be emotive... stefan kiszko...... what about susan clark? what about angela canning? or stephen downing? You're talking about miscarriage of justice,i wasnt,im talking about a person admitting a crime " Then your punish them as the law see's fit Don't matter what we would do with them we aren't the law | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? " yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. " I think most people kinda think they will get away with the crime when they commit one. So I'm not so sure it's a deterrent. Plus once we have maimed them and they can now no longer work maybe we can send them round to your house every time they need a jar opening or their shoe laces tying. | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. I think most people kinda think they will get away with the crime when they commit one. So I'm not so sure it's a deterrent. Plus once we have maimed them and they can now no longer work maybe we can send them round to your house every time they need a jar opening or their shoe laces tying. " If they've had their hands cut of for commiting a anus then fuck their shoe laces,make them wear slippons | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. I think most people kinda think they will get away with the crime when they commit one. So I'm not so sure it's a deterrent. Plus once we have maimed them and they can now no longer work maybe we can send them round to your house every time they need a jar opening or their shoe laces tying. If they've had their hands cut of for commiting a anus then fuck their shoe laces,make them wear slippons" Crime* | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. I think most people kinda think they will get away with the crime when they commit one. So I'm not so sure it's a deterrent. Plus once we have maimed them and they can now no longer work maybe we can send them round to your house every time they need a jar opening or their shoe laces tying. " if they do the crime and pay the price its up to them to find ways of opening jars, that's exactly why it should serve as PUNISHMENT | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. I think most people kinda think they will get away with the crime when they commit one. So I'm not so sure it's a deterrent. Plus once we have maimed them and they can now no longer work maybe we can send them round to your house every time they need a jar opening or their shoe laces tying. If they've had their hands cut of for commiting a anus then fuck their shoe laces,make them wear slippons" | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. I think most people kinda think they will get away with the crime when they commit one. So I'm not so sure it's a deterrent. Plus once we have maimed them and they can now no longer work maybe we can send them round to your house every time they need a jar opening or their shoe laces tying. If they've had their hands cut of for commiting a anus then fuck their shoe laces,make them wear slippons Crime*" I'd hate to have my hands cut of for committing an anus, for a start I don't think I have enough hands  | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. I think most people kinda think they will get away with the crime when they commit one. So I'm not so sure it's a deterrent. Plus once we have maimed them and they can now no longer work maybe we can send them round to your house every time they need a jar opening or their shoe laces tying. if they do the crime and pay the price its up to them to find ways of opening jars, that's exactly why it should serve as PUNISHMENT " But unfortunately we live in a society that doesn't (for the most part) let people disabled people just get on with it. So what you will be creating is a lot of people who will be dependent on the state because you have made them disabled. | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. " So someone runs off with your cash, chop off a hand? how about shoplifting? same punishment? | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. I think most people kinda think they will get away with the crime when they commit one. So I'm not so sure it's a deterrent. Plus once we have maimed them and they can now no longer work maybe we can send them round to your house every time they need a jar opening or their shoe laces tying. if they do the crime and pay the price its up to them to find ways of opening jars, that's exactly why it should serve as PUNISHMENT But unfortunately we live in a society that doesn't (for the most part) let people disabled people just get on with it. So what you will be creating is a lot of people who will be dependent on the state because you have made them disabled. " they shoudnt get state help if their disablement was due to them commiting the crime. if our laws were tougher maybe people would think more carefuly about commiting the crime in the first place. | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. So someone runs off with your cash, chop off a hand? how about shoplifting? same punishment?" yes, it works in other countries | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. So someone runs off with your cash, chop off a hand? how about shoplifting? same punishment? yes, it works in other countries " No it doesn't or they would have stopped doing it because nobody would have committed any crimes.... | |||
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"Actually there is a good point being made here,if there was such a punishment which made the criminal disabled would the tax payer front the bill to redesign their homes to fit their disability hmmmmm food for thought" NO | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. So someone runs off with your cash, chop off a hand? how about shoplifting? same punishment? yes, it works in other countries No it doesn't or they would have stopped doing it because nobody would have committed any crimes...." that's exactly the point, if they did then people wouldn't commit the crime. | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? " Lets all go live in Syria,where they deliver real justice. Capital punishment or corporal punishment..one mistake is one too many. | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. So someone runs off with your cash, chop off a hand? how about shoplifting? same punishment? yes, it works in other countries " Well actually, it doesn't work, there is generally more crime in countries that use corporal or capital punishment. but taking the law as being imposed fully, any theft = cut off a hand, how many children would grow to adulthood with 2 or any hands? castration or genital mutilation for exposing yourself in public.... May stop dogging, but how about children running naked on the beach? The crime may stop, but so would society as we know it. | |||
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"At the end of the day we arnt going to start chopping hand or other bits off so this conversation is futile" We are not going back to hanging either! | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. So someone runs off with your cash, chop off a hand? how about shoplifting? same punishment? yes, it works in other countries Well actually, it doesn't work, there is generally more crime in countries that use corporal or capital punishment. but taking the law as being imposed fully, any theft = cut off a hand, how many children would grow to adulthood with 2 or any hands? castration or genital mutilation for exposing yourself in public.... May stop dogging, but how about children running naked on the beach? The crime may stop, but so would society as we know it." I don't think a kid stealing a penny sweetie should have a hand cut off no, but for people who habitually shoplift given the choice of 20 hours community service or lose a hand which one would deter them? | |||
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"At the end of the day we arnt going to start chopping hand or other bits off so this conversation is futile We are not going back to hanging either!" Hanging naaaa, barbaric,lethal injection? | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. So someone runs off with your cash, chop off a hand? how about shoplifting? same punishment? yes, it works in other countries No it doesn't or they would have stopped doing it because nobody would have committed any crimes....that's exactly the point, if they did then people wouldn't commit the crime." Explain the fact that people continue to commit crimes in countries that do chop peoples hands off etc then please... | |||
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"At the end of the day we arnt going to start chopping hand or other bits off so this conversation is futile We are not going back to hanging either! Hanging naaaa, barbaric,lethal injection?" Fuck that! Lethal injection is awful. I did my work experience at a vets and I often stayed in when animals were put down and the owners didn't want to be there, it takes far too long to die and some animals are more resistant to the effects than others. Lead injection is much more humane, IMO. | |||
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"At the end of the day we arnt going to start chopping hand or other bits off so this conversation is futile We are not going back to hanging either! Hanging naaaa, barbaric,lethal injection? Fuck that! Lethal injection is awful. I did my work experience at a vets and I often stayed in when animals were put down and the owners didn't want to be there, it takes far too long to die and some animals are more resistant to the effects than others. Lead injection is much more humane, IMO. " Never heard of lead injection please explain? | |||
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"You can't say something is wrong than use the that thing to punish wrong doing. Anyone that says so and so should be strung up or shot, then goes on to say I'd happily pull the trigger myself. Well if we had the death penalty and you do then you too would be put to death. Don't you see killing is WRONG whether it's an individual doing regardless of the motivation or the state as a punitive measure. Yes you can. I'll put you down to house Huntley if he's released. So you want to murder him then, you want to kill him you want to end another persons life. You want to become a murderer yourself, Huntley is a sick man that should never be released. Amazing how the argument against is always the same tired old one. As you love kiddie fiddlers and murderers so much you shouls take them in to your household. I will assume you don't have children. But have no doubt you know people who do who share your views and will trust them with their kids. The fact that a person does not believe it is right to execute someone for a crime or any crime does not mean that they believe that the person should not be punished, or that they love them, or that they want them to come and live with them. It just means that they believe that execution by the state is not the correct punishment for the criminals crime or any crime." On the other thread he responded to my against stance by implying tgat my family and friends deserve to be abused by paedophiles. I don't get how being opposed to the death sentence provokes such a sentiment | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? Lets all go live in Syria,where they deliver real justice. Capital punishment or corporal punishment..one mistake is one too many." I think those people that talk about torture as part of a justice system get a bit touchy when it's pointed out that they are basically endorsing ISIS' style of punishment | |||
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"Not the death penalty. But used for scientific research. " An utterly vile suggestion. Though I believe Hitler was a fan of human experimentation how any right thinking person could suggest such a thing is beyond me | |||
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"At the end of the day we arnt going to start chopping hand or other bits off so this conversation is futile We are not going back to hanging either! Hanging naaaa, barbaric,lethal injection? Fuck that! Lethal injection is awful. I did my work experience at a vets and I often stayed in when animals were put down and the owners didn't want to be there, it takes far too long to die and some animals are more resistant to the effects than others. Lead injection is much more humane, IMO. Never heard of lead injection please explain?" Really? Think about it... | |||
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"I think those people that talk about torture as part of a justice system get a bit touchy when it's pointed out that they are basically endorsing ISIS' style of punishment Are these the same people who foam at the mouth about how we don't want sharia in Engerland?" Why yes, yes it is... | |||
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"You can't say something is wrong than use the that thing to punish wrong doing. Anyone that says so and so should be strung up or shot, then goes on to say I'd happily pull the trigger myself. Well if we had the death penalty and you do then you too would be put to death. Don't you see killing is WRONG whether it's an individual doing regardless of the motivation or the state as a punitive measure. Yes you can. I'll put you down to house Huntley if he's released. So you want to murder him then, you want to kill him you want to end another persons life. You want to become a murderer yourself, Huntley is a sick man that should never be released. Amazing how the argument against is always the same tired old one. As you love kiddie fiddlers and murderers so much you shouls take them in to your household. I will assume you don't have children. But have no doubt you know people who do who share your views and will trust them with their kids. The fact that a person does not believe it is right to execute someone for a crime or any crime does not mean that they believe that the person should not be punished, or that they love them, or that they want them to come and live with them. It just means that they believe that execution by the state is not the correct punishment for the criminals crime or any crime. On the other thread he responded to my against stance by implying tgat my family and friends deserve to be abused by paedophiles. I don't get how being opposed to the death sentence provokes such a sentiment " I did not imply your family and friends deserve to be abused by paedophiles. I pointed out that if you believe in rehabilitation so much maybe you can take them in to help with the baby sitting. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't which means you lack the conviction of your beliefs. My point is made. | |||
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" I never said I loved kiddie fiddlers and murderers, they should certainly be locked up I have no problem with that. Do I think we should be killing them then no I don't. You can assume what ever you like but you would be wrong. So basically if someone fucked and mutilated your children you wouldn't want retribution. You'd be quite happy for them to spend a fews years cosy'd up in a cell before being released. I feel so sorry for your children, having a father who isn't prepared to do whatever is necessay to protect them. Actually you may even watch, pat the fella on the back and tell him not to worry its society's fault not his. Nah mate your a troll, you know nothing about me or my capabilities as a parent, and what I would or wouldn't do if some one harmed or tried to harm one of my kids. Go on then, man up. What would you do if you caught someone fiddling with your kids? Well since they are in their mid 20's it's probably none of my business. Im not sure how describing to you what I would do if I was put in to position of having to deal with some one that had harmed my family makes me a man. " Very well put | |||
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"You can't say something is wrong than use the that thing to punish wrong doing. Anyone that says so and so should be strung up or shot, then goes on to say I'd happily pull the trigger myself. Well if we had the death penalty and you do then you too would be put to death. Don't you see killing is WRONG whether it's an individual doing regardless of the motivation or the state as a punitive measure. Yes you can. I'll put you down to house Huntley if he's released. So you want to murder him then, you want to kill him you want to end another persons life. You want to become a murderer yourself, Huntley is a sick man that should never be released. Amazing how the argument against is always the same tired old one. As you love kiddie fiddlers and murderers so much you shouls take them in to your household. I will assume you don't have children. But have no doubt you know people who do who share your views and will trust them with their kids. The fact that a person does not believe it is right to execute someone for a crime or any crime does not mean that they believe that the person should not be punished, or that they love them, or that they want them to come and live with them. It just means that they believe that execution by the state is not the correct punishment for the criminals crime or any crime. On the other thread he responded to my against stance by implying tgat my family and friends deserve to be abused by paedophiles. I don't get how being opposed to the death sentence provokes such a sentiment I did not imply your family and friends deserve to be abused by paedophiles. I pointed out that if you believe in rehabilitation so much maybe you can take them in to help with the baby sitting. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't which means you lack the conviction of your beliefs. My point is made." So your point is proven by assuming my response to your comment... 
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"You can't say something is wrong than use the that thing to punish wrong doing. Anyone that says so and so should be strung up or shot, then goes on to say I'd happily pull the trigger myself. Well if we had the death penalty and you do then you too would be put to death. Don't you see killing is WRONG whether it's an individual doing regardless of the motivation or the state as a punitive measure. Yes you can. I'll put you down to house Huntley if he's released. So you want to murder him then, you want to kill him you want to end another persons life. You want to become a murderer yourself, Huntley is a sick man that should never be released. Amazing how the argument against is always the same tired old one. As you love kiddie fiddlers and murderers so much you shouls take them in to your household. I will assume you don't have children. But have no doubt you know people who do who share your views and will trust them with their kids. The fact that a person does not believe it is right to execute someone for a crime or any crime does not mean that they believe that the person should not be punished, or that they love them, or that they want them to come and live with them. It just means that they believe that execution by the state is not the correct punishment for the criminals crime or any crime. On the other thread he responded to my against stance by implying tgat my family and friends deserve to be abused by paedophiles. I don't get how being opposed to the death sentence provokes such a sentiment I did not imply your family and friends deserve to be abused by paedophiles. I pointed out that if you believe in rehabilitation so much maybe you can take them in to help with the baby sitting. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't which means you lack the conviction of your beliefs. My point is made." I will use your argument style which is to take someones view to the most ridiculous length possible and hold the result up as tho its stupid. How many paedos have you killed, tortured or maimed ? If the answer is none then you lack the conviction of your beliefs. | |||
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"I don't think we should bring back capital punishment because it costs too much money and that really would be a waste of tax payers money. They would have to have absolute proof that the person had committed the crime, would mean extra money on extended trials, appeals processes, legal documents to cover the people that would be carrying out the sentence, the drugs they use for lethal injection, the doctors that administer it. A 30 year prison sentence probably works out cheaper than the millions it would cost to execute someone. There should be harsher sentences for those that commit crimes on vulnerable people, mainly children. I don't believe you can rehabilitate a paedophile I just don't believe you can alter their preferences so what you do with those people I don't know. Once convicted and they've served their time they'll be out again amongst the public. I think there should be some kind of branding system in place like they do with cattle. A big P on the forehead of paedophiles, M1, M2, or MS for murderers 1st degree, second degree or manslaughter and a DA for domestic abuser. If all offenders had these identifying marks branded on to their foreheads people can then make the choice whether they want them in their life. " On a point of law; unlike in the US, here in Britain we do not have degrees of murder. It's either murder or it's not. The concept of 1st and 2nd degree murder simply don't exist in British law. " I would date or be friends with a muderer if it was man slaughter and I knew the circumstances involved, my own grampy came out of prison in 1981 for killing someone in an unlicensed boxing match and he's the softest most placid man you'll ever meet. I would also date or be friends with a domestic abuser because I judge each case on it's own merit and I'm pretty handy myself plus I believe anger management and some counselling could help someone like that. A paedophile though I don't think they have any place in society and wouldn't want them near me. " | |||
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"as i said in the other thread...for those advocating for the death penalty "what do you say to the family of an innocent person you killed?" because i don't think "oops!!!" really covers it... that would make you no better than the person you tried to punish..... " Well said | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. So someone runs off with your cash, chop off a hand? how about shoplifting? same punishment? yes, it works in other countries " I know a few, mostly Islamic, countries where such punishments where used. I don't know of any countries where it has lead to the abolition of theft. Maybe you could name one for us? | |||
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"Here's an idea. Give convicted first-degree murderers a choice of life in solitary, as in 4 walls a bed and a bog or a lethal injection. " I don't think it's appropriate for the criminal to be the person who decides his own punishment. It must be the choice of society what punishment fits the crime. | |||
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 I suppose but it doesn't stop crime. 'ooh, I better not shoot this rival drug dealer in the face, I might get the death penalty'...said no gangster ever. | |||
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"If the evidence is full proof and nailed with no grey matter...I'd happily vote for death penalty. ...eye for eye Brevik...as an example" A person is already only found guilty of a crime if it is proved beyond a reasonable doubt. How much more sure could you ever be than that? | |||
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"Unfotunately this is a futile debate all the time we are in the EU. But my stance remains. Certain crimes (ie, any rape, torture or murder of a child) deserve the death penalty. Anyone who thinks they should be rehanilited back into society can take them into their household and let them do the baby sitting." Got nowt to do with the EU. It's the European Convention on Human Rights, which is not related to EU in any way. And I think our sign up to that portion was irrevocable. At lewst we did that bit right! | |||
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"I'm totally against capital punishment. I feel it demeans the societies that practice it and often gives an unjustified air of dignity to those it is meant to punish. I also see no evidence to suggests that capital punishment has any deterrent affect on people of a mind to murder. Finally it makes it totally impossible to rectify any miscarriages of justice that may have been made." | |||
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"Capital punishment is flawed . Also it does not prevent crime . So if a serial killer who would go on to kill again is hung, how does this not prevent him further committing crime ? Not saying your wrong but I'm intrigued" Although usually in favour quoting sources, this time I can't. But my understanding of the evidence is that there is absolutely no evidence that says capital punishment, or indeed corporal punishment, has any effect in reducing crime. I think the evidence actually goes the other way, saying it increases it but I'm not sure on that one. | |||
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"There is never undoubtable proof, thats the point. Yes there is. Guy who killed my brother was seen doing it by my sister in law and nephew (they've nevet been the same since)..he was known to them and they whitnessed it happen...actually saw him plunge the knife in. The man then freely admitted it was him once the police caught up with him He was soaked in my brothers blood. his prints were on the knife used. His bloody hand and footprints all over the scene. was definitely him...zero questions " Cases like this..defo | |||
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"If the evidence is full proof and nailed with no grey matter...I'd happily vote for death penalty. ...eye for eye Brevik...as an example A person is already only found guilty of a crime if it is proved beyond a reasonable doubt. How much more sure could you ever be than that?" Miscarriage of justice, false evidence, wrongful convictions, happen. The death penalty leaves no room for those circumstances to be discovered and rectified. This has happened several times when hanging was still used. ( please don't ask me to quote them, I can't remember, but I'm sure someone will be able to) | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. So someone runs off with your cash, chop off a hand? how about shoplifting? same punishment? yes, it works in other countries I know a few, mostly Islamic, countries where such punishments where used. I don't know of any countries where it has lead to the abolition of theft. Maybe you could name one for us? "maybe you could name where I said it lead to the abolition of theft | |||
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"If the evidence is full proof and nailed with no grey matter...I'd happily vote for death penalty. ...eye for eye Brevik...as an example A person is already only found guilty of a crime if it is proved beyond a reasonable doubt. How much more sure could you ever be than that? Miscarriage of justice, false evidence, wrongful convictions, happen. The death penalty leaves no room for those circumstances to be discovered and rectified. This has happened several times when hanging was still used. ( please don't ask me to quote them, I can't remember, but I'm sure someone will be able to)" Which is why I pointed out that a conviction is already only made when the evidence points to the person having committed the crime beyond a reasonable doubt and it would be impossible to ask for a higher level of poof than that. Despite this high level of proof miscarriages of justice still happen and, if the person has been executed, a posthumous quashing of their conviction doesn't really undo the miscarriage committed. | |||
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"If the evidence is full proof and nailed with no grey matter...I'd happily vote for death penalty. ...eye for eye Brevik...as an example A person is already only found guilty of a crime if it is proved beyond a reasonable doubt. How much more sure could you ever be than that? Miscarriage of justice, false evidence, wrongful convictions, happen. The death penalty leaves no room for those circumstances to be discovered and rectified. This has happened several times when hanging was still used. ( please don't ask me to quote them, I can't remember, but I'm sure someone will be able to) Which is why I pointed out that a conviction is already only made when the evidence points to the person having committed the crime beyond a reasonable doubt and it would be impossible to ask for a higher level of poof than that. Despite this high level of proof miscarriages of justice still happen and, if the person has been executed, a posthumous quashing of their conviction doesn't really undo the miscarriage committed." Apologies, I missed your point. I agree with you. | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. So someone runs off with your cash, chop off a hand? how about shoplifting? same punishment? yes, it works in other countries I know a few, mostly Islamic, countries where such punishments where used. I don't know of any countries where it has lead to the abolition of theft. Maybe you could name one for us? maybe you could name where I said it lead to the abolition of theft"In answer to the question if whether shoplifters should have their hands cut of you replied 'yes, it works in other countries'. I was just wondering what countries you know of where cutting of peoples hands has lead to theft no longer happening in those countries? | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. So someone runs off with your cash, chop off a hand? how about shoplifting? same punishment? yes, it works in other countries I know a few, mostly Islamic, countries where such punishments where used. I don't know of any countries where it has lead to the abolition of theft. Maybe you could name one for us? maybe you could name where I said it lead to the abolition of theft
In answer to the question if whether shoplifters should have their hands cut of you replied 'yes, it works in other countries'. I was just wondering what countries you know of where cutting of peoples hands has lead to theft no longer happening in those countries?"I never said is no longer happens I said it works in other countries, if you thieve you get you hand cut off, PUNISHMENT and deterrent for the thief, lets face it you only have 2 so do it again and it would become almost impossible to do it again | |||
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"The bleeding hearts mob in this country have turned our prisons into holiday camps so keeping them locked up for life isn't that much of a punishment...if the crime is serious enough then yeah kill them. In fact bring back public hangings in town squares and we can have a party while they swing "How much have you seen of the inside of a prison? Let's say Cat A or B now I don't know where you holiday but if they are anything like the prisons I've been in you need to swap travel agents | |||
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"Capital punishment is flawed . Also it does not prevent crime . So if a serial killer who would go on to kill again is hung, how does this not prevent him further committing crime ? Not saying your wrong but I'm intrigued Although usually in favour quoting sources, this time I can't. But my understanding of the evidence is that there is absolutely no evidence that says capital punishment, or indeed corporal punishment, has any effect in reducing crime. I think the evidence actually goes the other way, saying it increases it but I'm not sure on that one." Well the guy who was have the birch on the Isle of Man for decades said, when he retired that he never gave it to the same bloke twice so there is some evidence for corporal punishment | |||
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"The bleeding hearts mob in this country have turned our prisons into holiday camps so keeping them locked up for life isn't that much of a punishment...if the crime is serious enough then yeah kill them. In fact bring back public hangings in town squares and we can have a party while they swing
How much have you seen of the inside of a prison? Let's say Cat A or B now I don't know where you holiday but if they are anything like the prisons I've been in you need to swap travel agents "Some People really do believe all inmate's have a coloured TV and PlayStation in their room | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. So someone runs off with your cash, chop off a hand? how about shoplifting? same punishment? yes, it works in other countries I know a few, mostly Islamic, countries where such punishments where used. I don't know of any countries where it has lead to the abolition of theft. Maybe you could name one for us? maybe you could name where I said it lead to the abolition of theft
In answer to the question if whether shoplifters should have their hands cut of you replied 'yes, it works in other countries'. I was just wondering what countries you know of where cutting of peoples hands has lead to theft no longer happening in those countries?I never said is no longer happens I said it works in other countries, if you thieve you get you hand cut off, PUNISHMENT and deterrent for the thief, lets face it you only have 2 so do it again and it would become almost impossible to do it again"Well it clearly doesn't or didn't deter the actual person or people getting their hands cut off from stealing in the first place. It seems clear to me that, if it's a deterrent, then it would never actually need to be used and, if it is used, then it's clearly not a deterrent that actually deters. | |||
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"A few names: Timothy Evans Derek Bentley Both murdered by the state. Like all physical punishment the death penalty belongs in history. " I think we need to keep things clear and straight. In law murder is the illegal killing of a human being by one or more human beings. An execution by the state, in accordance with the law at the time, is not illegal (even if it turns out that the person executed was not actually guilty of the offence) and, as such, can nether legally be called murder. Timothy Evans, Derek Bentley and maybe many more were not murdered by the state they were wrongfully executed and killed by the state. It may seem semantic but it is important that we do not call what happened murder and that we call it what it was, legal and wrongful killing. We must always stress that the state, while acting fully legally, wrongfully killed people. That is the main reason why I could never support capital punishment. | |||
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"I am against capital punishment, but for those in favour would you also support corporal punishment? bit of whipping, or cutting off of hands for theft? how about removing genitals for flashing? your thoughts? yep I would, let the punishment fit the crime then maybe just maybe it would make people think twice about committing the crime in the first place. So someone runs off with your cash, chop off a hand? how about shoplifting? same punishment? yes, it works in other countries I know a few, mostly Islamic, countries where such punishments where used. I don't know of any countries where it has lead to the abolition of theft. Maybe you could name one for us? maybe you could name where I said it lead to the abolition of theft
In answer to the question if whether shoplifters should have their hands cut of you replied 'yes, it works in other countries'. I was just wondering what countries you know of where cutting of peoples hands has lead to theft no longer happening in those countries?I never said is no longer happens I said it works in other countries, if you thieve you get you hand cut off, PUNISHMENT and deterrent for the thief, lets face it you only have 2 so do it again and it would become almost impossible to do it again"I;m not understanding how that is evidence that it 'works' in other countries? It's not a detterent | |||
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"Against. If only for the reason that the wheels of justice get things wrong from time to time. It's bad enough letting someone out of prison after a wrongful conviction but very difficult if they have been executed. Imagine if it was you who was the victim of a miscarriage of justice " | |||
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"There is never undoubtable proof, thats the point. ??? Surely the footage of the soldier being hacked to death was undoubtably proof
Video footage can be altered, I'm not saying that in this case it was, but it can be, so no, it isn't irrefutable proof.
Absolutely nothing about this particular case adds up, including the identity of the supposed "victim", the complete lack of blood on video evidence for someone supposedly hacked to death, or why one of the assailants appeared to be wearing a bullet proof vest when apprehended by police."The "supposed" victim was identified as Lee Rigby, what part of that do you find hard to understand? There were quite a lot of witnesses. The video footage has the attackers hands blurred out as they were covered in blood. "Appeared" to be wearing a bulletproof vest? So, you don't know if he actually was, do you? Do you really think the authorities would try and fake something like that, do you? I despair sometimes, I really do! | |||
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"In absolute proof cases, I would be happy for there to be the death penalty. I think prisons should be turned into profitable businesses, lets face it, they have all the workforce just sat there. Make them work, turning out stuff that is useful, the profits could be used to fund the prisons. Prisoners should be made to earn privileges, they start with a basic cell, and the more good behaviour they exhibit, the more stuff they earn, any breaking of the rules and its back to square one. And education should form part of the compulsory elements of their sentence." There never can be absolute proof, only proof beyond a reasonable doubt. How can you possibly prove anything more than beyond a reasonable doubt? Either the crime is proved beyond a reasonable doubt and the criminal gets the punishment set out in law, or it's not proved at all and the defendant walks free. | |||
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"In absolute proof cases, I would be happy for there to be the death penalty. I think prisons should be turned into profitable businesses, lets face it, they have all the workforce just sat there. Make them work, turning out stuff that is useful, the profits could be used to fund the prisons. Prisoners should be made to earn privileges, they start with a basic cell, and the more good behaviour they exhibit, the more stuff they earn, any breaking of the rules and its back to square one. And education should form part of the compulsory elements of their sentence." They do have to work and have to earn privileges. And education is part of curriculum. And compulsory..... it already happens. | |||
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"I'm fully against the death penalty, viewing it as something that a civilised society should not have. It isn't a suitable, effective deterrent and is abominable. I view it as a state abuse if privilege. Our legal system, police nor prisons are not without fault - we should improve them and our society. And definitely not perpetuate more killing and the harms that also does to society. I'm so glad I've lived through a period of time whilst it's not been active. " | |||
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"I'm fully against the death penalty, viewing it as something that a civilised society should not have. It isn't a suitable, effective deterrent and is abominable. I view it as a state abuse if privilege. Our legal system, police nor prisons are not without fault - we should improve them and our society. And definitely not perpetuate more killing and the harms that also does to society. I'm so glad I've lived through a period of time whilst it's not been active. " I couldn't agree more | |||
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"I don't think we should bring back capital punishment because it costs too much money and that really would be a waste of tax payers money. They would have to have absolute proof that the person had committed the crime, would mean extra money on extended trials, appeals processes, legal documents to cover the people that would be carrying out the sentence, the drugs they use for lethal injection, the doctors that administer it. A 30 year prison sentence probably works out cheaper than the millions it would cost to execute someone. There should be harsher sentences for those that commit crimes on vulnerable people, mainly children. I don't believe you can rehabilitate a paedophile I just don't believe you can alter their preferences so what you do with those people I don't know. Once convicted and they've served their time they'll be out again amongst the public. I think there should be some kind of branding system in place like they do with cattle. A big P on the forehead of paedophiles, M1, M2, or MS for murderers 1st degree, second degree or manslaughter and a DA for domestic abuser. If all offenders had these identifying marks branded on to their foreheads people can then make the choice whether they want them in their life. On a point of law; unlike in the US, here in Britain we do not have degrees of murder. It's either murder or it's not. The concept of 1st and 2nd degree murder simply don't exist in British law. I would date or be friends with a muderer if it was man slaughter and I knew the circumstances involved, my own grampy came out of prison in 1981 for killing someone in an unlicensed boxing match and he's the softest most placid man you'll ever meet. I would also date or be friends with a domestic abuser because I judge each case on it's own merit and I'm pretty handy myself plus I believe anger management and some counselling could help someone like that. A paedophile though I don't think they have any place in society and wouldn't want them near me. " We do have different categories of murder charges in the UK since 2010, 1st, 2nd,3rd and 4th degree. Like America....... Coronary &Criminal Justice Act 2010. | |||
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"I don't think we should bring back capital punishment because it costs too much money and that really would be a waste of tax payers money. They would have to have absolute proof that the person had committed the crime, would mean extra money on extended trials, appeals processes, legal documents to cover the people that would be carrying out the sentence, the drugs they use for lethal injection, the doctors that administer it. A 30 year prison sentence probably works out cheaper than the millions it would cost to execute someone. There should be harsher sentences for those that commit crimes on vulnerable people, mainly children. I don't believe you can rehabilitate a paedophile I just don't believe you can alter their preferences so what you do with those people I don't know. Once convicted and they've served their time they'll be out again amongst the public. I think there should be some kind of branding system in place like they do with cattle. A big P on the forehead of paedophiles, M1, M2, or MS for murderers 1st degree, second degree or manslaughter and a DA for domestic abuser. If all offenders had these identifying marks branded on to their foreheads people can then make the choice whether they want them in their life. On a point of law; unlike in the US, here in Britain we do not have degrees of murder. It's either murder or it's not. The concept of 1st and 2nd degree murder simply don't exist in British law. I would date or be friends with a muderer if it was man slaughter and I knew the circumstances involved, my own grampy came out of prison in 1981 for killing someone in an unlicensed boxing match and he's the softest most placid man you'll ever meet. I would also date or be friends with a domestic abuser because I judge each case on it's own merit and I'm pretty handy myself plus I believe anger management and some counselling could help someone like that. A paedophile though I don't think they have any place in society and wouldn't want them near me. We do have different categories of murder charges in the UK since 2010, 1st, 2nd,3rd and 4th degree. Like America....... Coronary &Criminal Justice Act 2010. "I stand corrected. | |||
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"I'm fully against the death penalty, viewing it as something that a civilised society should not have. It isn't a suitable, effective deterrent and is abominable. I view it as a state abuse if privilege. Our legal system, police nor prisons are not without fault - we should improve them and our society. And definitely not perpetuate more killing and the harms that also does to society. I'm so glad I've lived through a period of time whilst it's not been active. " Very well said. The death penalty shames other countries. Not this one. | |||
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