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Capital punishment ,yes or no

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I think people like Ian Brady should have been hung years ago,why are they keeping him alive?..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

because i don't feel like i have the right to kill someone ele, unlike people who think like ian brady.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So in order for society to show how repulsed we are by people who don't respect the sanctity of life we choose to kill them...

Well thought out plan..

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

A big no. The number of miscarriages of justice are shocking.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

I oppose the death penalty because as a Christian I believe that everyone has the right to repent for their sins and attempt to make amendments for their crimes and mistakes. Man does not have the right to end man's life and doing so removes the chance for repentance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The death sentence has no place in a civilised society

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people like Ian Brady should have been hung years ago,why are they keeping him alive?.."

OP could you pull the leaver or inject the lethal dose to administer the death penalty?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

No offence meant ,just an opinion , so if someone killed members of your family ,and you knew they were as guilty as hell,then shouldnt it be a life for a life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I oppose the death penalty because as a Christian I believe that everyone has the right to repent for their sins and attempt to make amendments for their crimes and mistakes. Man does not have the right to end man's life and doing so removes the chance for repentance."

Doesn't your scriptures preach an eye for an eye,tooth for a tooth?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No offence meant ,just an opinion , so if someone killed members of your family ,and you knew they were as guilty as hell,then shouldnt it be a life for a life."

No. An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind.

Justice and vengeance should never be confused

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No offence meant ,just an opinion , so if someone killed members of your family ,and you knew they were as guilty as hell,then shouldnt it be a life for a life."

not for me no, i don't kill people. only sick people do that.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

It's a no from me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No offence meant ,just an opinion , so if someone killed members of your family ,and you knew they were as guilty as hell,then shouldnt it be a life for a life."

That has happened to me and i still say no.

I would probably say different if it was one of my children or my husband though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A big no. The number of miscarriages of justice are shocking. "

Second this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite a divisive subject. I think a death penalty should be in place, but only in extreme cases. e.g. Very dangerous killers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Quite a divisive subject. I think a death penalty should be in place, but only in extreme cases. e.g. Very dangerous killers. "

"Very dangerous killers".... that made me chuckle....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I oppose the death penalty because as a Christian I believe that everyone has the right to repent for their sins and attempt to make amendments for their crimes and mistakes. Man does not have the right to end man's life and doing so removes the chance for repentance.

Doesn't your scriptures preach an eye for an eye,tooth for a tooth?

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No, that's the old covenant which is superceded by the new one. Hence why Christians can eat Pork.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Well if members of my family were killed,i wouldn't like to think of them sitting in a cozy prison cell,at the tax payers expense of course ,Ian Brady tortured those children ,can you even imagine what they went through,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Quite a divisive subject. I think a death penalty should be in place, but only in extreme cases. e.g. Very dangerous killers.

"Very dangerous killers".... that made me chuckle.... "

And me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No offence meant ,just an opinion , so if someone killed members of your family ,and you knew they were as guilty as hell,then shouldnt it be a life for a life.

not for me no, i don't kill people. only sick people do that."

Is that a general only sick people kill or carry out death sentence kill ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with it personally,if it were controlled and a time limit put on it to avoid miscarriages of justice,it's not an eye for an eye view point I agree with but when someone has carried out such henus crimes why should the taxpayer fund a lifestyle where they get three meals a day a roof over their head when ex soldiers who've fought for their country sometimes don't have such luxuries,were always hearing about prisons being overcrowded this will only get worse where do we draw the line I think the bigger picture needs to be looked at if Ian huntley hadn't died in prison and there was no question of his guilt how many years would we have funded him?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Quite a divisive subject. I think a death penalty should be in place, but only in extreme cases. e.g. Very dangerous killers. "

Where do you draw the line....?

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By *iss_Samantha_LovecockTV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"I think people like Ian Brady should have been hung years ago,why are they keeping him alive?..

OP could you pull the leaver or inject the lethal dose to administer the death penalty? "

if he'd killed my kids i'd be happy to do it

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I agree with it personally,if it were controlled and a time limit put on it to avoid miscarriages of justice,it's not an eye for an eye view point I agree with but when someone has carried out such henus crimes why should the taxpayer fund a lifestyle where they get three meals a day a roof over their head when ex soldiers who've fought for their country sometimes don't have such luxuries,were always hearing about prisons being overcrowded this will only get worse where do we draw the line I think the bigger picture needs to be looked at if Ian huntley hadn't died in prison and there was no question of his guilt how many years would we have funded him?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If someone killed my child I probably would feel like killing them. Thankfully society wouldn't let me. Raw emotion and justice don't mix.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Its a different answer if your own were murdered .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well if members of my family were killed,i wouldn't like to think of them sitting in a cozy prison cell,at the tax payers expense of course ,Ian Brady tortured those children ,can you even imagine what they went through,"

As you keep mentioning him you do know he is held in a secure mental health unit and not a prison?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Quite a divisive subject. I think a death penalty should be in place, but only in extreme cases. e.g. Very dangerous killers.

"Very dangerous killers".... that made me chuckle.... "

Good point. Lol. I mean Killers that have no remorse and no desire to reform.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

no no no stephan clizco nuff said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people like Ian Brady should have been hung years ago,why are they keeping him alive?..

OP could you pull the leaver or inject the lethal dose to administer the death penalty?

if he'd killed my kids i'd be happy to do it "

And by that logic presumably be happy for their parents to murder you too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well if members of my family were killed,i wouldn't like to think of them sitting in a cozy prison cell,at the tax payers expense of course ,Ian Brady tortured those children ,can you even imagine what they went through,"

You seem to be partly basing an opinion on reactionary emotion...

Which is precisely why we don't allow those directly effect by crime to decide guilt and what punishment should be administered..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Quite a divisive subject. I think a death penalty should be in place, but only in extreme cases. e.g. Very dangerous killers.

Where do you draw the line....?"

Good question. I mean killers with no remorse and no desire to reform.

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

No..but instead of rotting in prison cells,i think they should do work that benefits society..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Well if members of my family were killed,i wouldn't like to think of them sitting in a cozy prison cell,at the tax payers expense of course ,Ian Brady tortured those children ,can you even imagine what they went through,

As you keep mentioning him you do know he is held in a secure mental health unit and not a prison? "
yes i do i saw the documentary on him the other night.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe Ian Brady has suffered more being incarcerated and with his own madness, than being executed, where he would simply cease to exist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i know the damage people can cause to others and that society would be better off without them, which is why we lock them up.

but to kill them, no it's not right. if we justify killing anyone then we become like them, they justified along the line that it would be ok to take a child and abuse it and kill it. i don't want to feel ok with actions like this forming in my own head, not about kids obviously but about anyone who violates others rights to live in peace.

idk how we stop them from harming others before the act but this would be a better solution, i doubt this will ever happen anyway because psychopaths enjoy being sneaky and doing things that hurt others without getting caught.

i totally understand not feeling compassionate towards people like this, they probably don't deserve compassion because they're emotionally dead anyway and there's no cure for them. but to become like them is just as bad in my eyes, although i get why someone personally affected would want them dead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Quite a divisive subject. I think a death penalty should be in place, but only in extreme cases. e.g. Very dangerous killers.

"Very dangerous killers".... that made me chuckle....

Good point. Lol. I mean Killers that have no remorse and no desire to reform. "

lol.... yeah I understood what you meant .....

I just thought it was good oppertunity to introduce a light-heated post in a thread that will no doubt descend into a topical bun fight where understandably passionate emotion attempts to overrule justifiable reason.... lol

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover


"I oppose the death penalty because as a Christian I believe that everyone has the right to repent for their sins and attempt to make amendments for their crimes and mistakes. Man does not have the right to end man's life and doing so removes the chance for repentance."

Apart from adulterers, and then the good Christian thing to do is stone them to death.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well if members of my family were killed,i wouldn't like to think of them sitting in a cozy prison cell,at the tax payers expense of course ,Ian Brady tortured those children ,can you even imagine what they went through,

As you keep mentioning him you do know he is held in a secure mental health unit and not a prison? yes i do i saw the documentary on him the other night."

Do you advocate the killing of other people with mental health issues?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Off with his head..chop chop x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

And I'm not saying every murderer should be hanged,but if they have 100% proof that they have committed these awful crimes then it should be a life for a life,what's the point of locking them up until they die.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are worse punishments than death. So if someone hypothetically did hurt my family, death would feel like mercy to him.

I oppose death sentence because you can't bring someone back from the dead if they're found innocent after the sentence has been carried out.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover


"Its a different answer if your own were murdered ."

But that's the point, it shouldn't be. That's what society is for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Quite a divisive subject. I think a death penalty should be in place, but only in extreme cases. e.g. Very dangerous killers.

"Very dangerous killers".... that made me chuckle....

Good point. Lol. I mean Killers that have no remorse and no desire to reform.

lol.... yeah I understood what you meant .....

I just thought it was good oppertunity to introduce a light-heated post in a thread that will no doubt descend into a topical bun fight where understandably passionate emotion attempts to overrule justifiable reason.... lol "

A wise move.. im outa here anyway. I prefer the more lighthearted and downright daft threads.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Well if members of my family were killed,i wouldn't like to think of them sitting in a cozy prison cell,at the tax payers expense of course ,Ian Brady tortured those children ,can you even imagine what they went through,

As you keep mentioning him you do know he is held in a secure mental health unit and not a prison? yes i do i saw the documentary on him the other night.

Do you advocate the killing of other people with mental health issues?"
He was a young man when he killed them children,he wasn't mental,just a murderer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No offence meant ,just an opinion , so if someone killed members of your family ,and you knew they were as guilty as hell,then shouldnt it be a life for a life."

No. Forgive and forget.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

No, because we do not believe we should ask other people to kill on our behalf.

BUT life imprisonment should mean life in prison

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. And harsher sentences for other crimes

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"And I'm not saying every murderer should be hanged,but if they have 100% proof that they have committed these awful crimes then it should be a life for a life,what's the point of locking them up until they die."
Stephan Clisco was was locked up for years due to a "forced " confession at the time this would of fit your 100% criteria so you would quite happily of hanged an innocent man and left the perpetrator to walk free some justice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, because we do not believe we should ask other people to kill on our behalf.

BUT life imprisonment should mean life in prison"

Yes life should mean life and be made to work.

Make prison more like the army prison

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well if members of my family were killed,i wouldn't like to think of them sitting in a cozy prison cell,at the tax payers expense of course ,Ian Brady tortured those children ,can you even imagine what they went through,

As you keep mentioning him you do know he is held in a secure mental health unit and not a prison? yes i do i saw the documentary on him the other night.

Do you advocate the killing of other people with mental health issues?"

mental health issues are different from personality disorders.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people like Ian Brady should have been hung years ago,why are they keeping him alive?..

OP could you pull the leaver or inject the lethal dose to administer the death penalty? "

I could.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And I'm not saying every murderer should be hanged,but if they have 100% proof that they have committed these awful crimes then it should be a life for a life,what's the point of locking them up until they die."

Can you qualify the last line of that statement by explaining what benefit society would gain by not locking them away until they die?....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well if members of my family were killed,i wouldn't like to think of them sitting in a cozy prison cell,at the tax payers expense of course ,Ian Brady tortured those children ,can you even imagine what they went through,"

Prison cells aren't cosy and you have to try and keep things calm because there are people working with these inmates, if you treat people like animals they will behave like animals. I'm glad I got out before the smoking ban was introduced because from speaking to my old colleagues it's been a little 'stressful' shall we say!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

To be honest ,ive lost 8 very good friends to murderers ,in what use to be a very aggressive part of the city in bristol,,4 shot ,3 stabbed,1 murdered by her husband,hit round the head with a crook lock ,what did they get ,life in prison and some are out now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't agree with the death penalty, like most have said they are to many mistakes for that.

But I do think life should mean life, and hard time at that.

I can remember a 15 year old girl being killed close to where I live and the guy was caught with in a few days.

Got life and come out after 7 years.

How is that right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And I'm not saying every murderer should be hanged,but if they have 100% proof that they have committed these awful crimes then it should be a life for a life,what's the point of locking them up until they die.

Can you qualify the last line of that statement by explaining what benefit society would gain by not locking them away until they die?.... "

Taxpayer paying for them,taking room up in a cell that could be used for many of today's non respectful society and looking from another perspective what life do they have?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My brother was killed.

Murdered. Pre meditated by a a man he thought was a friend.

That's man i would watch die with no remorse or bad feeling whatsoever.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"To be honest ,ive lost 8 very good friends to murderers ,in what use to be a very aggressive part of the city in bristol,,4 shot ,3 stabbed,1 murdered by her husband,hit round the head with a crook lock ,what did they get ,life in prison and some are out now."

so lets say you find someone guilty, and carry out the death penalty....

and then later on you find that person is innocent...

what do you say to that family?

"oops!!!"

"Whoopsie!!!"

"my bad!!!"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My brother was killed.

Murdered. Pre meditated by a a man he thought was a friend.

That's man i would watch die with no remorse or bad feeling whatsoever."
sorry for your loss x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"To be honest ,ive lost 8 very good friends to murderers ,in what use to be a very aggressive part of the city in bristol,,4 shot ,3 stabbed,1 murdered by her husband,hit round the head with a crook lock ,what did they get ,life in prison and some are out now.

so lets say you find someone guilty, and carry out the death penalty....

and then later on you find that person is innocent...

what do you say to that family?

"oops!!!"

"Whoopsie!!!"

"my bad!!!"

"
I said if they had 100% proof.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

string them up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In cases like Ian Huntley, Brady, where you know they are 100% guilty of killing a child. Then they should have their balls cut off first then hung.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My brother was killed.

Murdered. Pre meditated by a a man he thought was a friend.

That's man i would watch die with no remorse or bad feeling whatsoever. sorry for your loss x"

It's been a while now...you find a way of living with it. Thank you

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

so lets say you find someone guilty, and carry out the death penalty....

and then later on you find that person is innocent...

what do you say to that family?

"oops!!!"

"Whoopsie!!!"

"my bad!!!"

I said if they had 100% proof."

so whats 100% proof? dna? a witness? serveral witness? oooh... a policeman, they never lie!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be honest ,ive lost 8 very good friends to murderers ,in what use to be a very aggressive part of the city in bristol,,4 shot ,3 stabbed,1 murdered by her husband,hit round the head with a crook lock ,what did they get ,life in prison and some are out now.

so lets say you find someone guilty, and carry out the death penalty....

and then later on you find that person is innocent...

what do you say to that family?

"oops!!!"

"Whoopsie!!!"

"my bad!!!"

I said if they had 100% proof."

The law works on 'beyond reasonable doubt' so you'll need to change that first

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people like Ian Brady should have been hung years ago,why are they keeping him alive?..

OP could you pull the leaver or inject the lethal dose to administer the death penalty?

I could. "

So... what is the difference between you and anyone else who takes a life?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

so lets say you find someone guilty, and carry out the death penalty....

and then later on you find that person is innocent...

what do you say to that family?

"oops!!!"

"Whoopsie!!!"

"my bad!!!"

I said if they had 100% proof.

so whats 100% proof? dna? a witness? serveral witness? oooh... a policeman, they never lie!!!!!"
people like Brady and hindley where there was 100% proof .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be honest ,ive lost 8 very good friends to murderers ,in what use to be a very aggressive part of the city in bristol,,4 shot ,3 stabbed,1 murdered by her husband,hit round the head with a crook lock ,what did they get ,life in prison and some are out now.

so lets say you find someone guilty, and carry out the death penalty....

and then later on you find that person is innocent...

what do you say to that family?

"oops!!!"

"Whoopsie!!!"

"my bad!!!"

"

Gotta say...

The person who killed my brother did it..by his own admission.

So in that case yeah...to me he deserves as much right to live as he afforded my big bro.

None whatsoever

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In cases like Ian Huntley, Brady, where you know they are 100% guilty of killing a child. Then they should have their balls cut off first then hung."

What about women who kill a child?

Would you cut off their ovaries and then hang them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmmmm tough one, we put animals to sleep every day by telling ourselves it's for the best, they are either ill or too dangerous to be allowed to continue living outside of a cage and it is seen to be the "humane" thing to do. But then if we were to put to sleep dangerous people who would otherwise have to remain caged for the rest of their natural life, we suddenly become "inhumane".

I think we tell ourselves whatever we need to hear in order to be able to sleep at night, but at the end of the day everything lives, everything dies, some in a more shitty way than others but there are worse things in life than death.

Mrs x

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By *et a roomCouple
over a year ago

Leeds


"No offence meant ,just an opinion , so if someone killed members of your family ,and you knew they were as guilty as hell,then shouldnt it be a life for a life.

No. An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind.

Justice and vengeance should never be confused"

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And I'm not saying every murderer should be hanged,but if they have 100% proof that they have committed these awful crimes then it should be a life for a life,what's the point of locking them up until they die.

Can you qualify the last line of that statement by explaining what benefit society would gain by not locking them away until they die?....

Taxpayer paying for them,taking room up in a cell that could be used for many of today's non respectful society and looking from another perspective what life do they have?"

Are you seriously suggesting financial implication are a relevant factor in deciding who lives and who dies....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmmmm tough one, we put animals to sleep every day by telling ourselves it's for the best, they are either ill or too dangerous to be allowed to continue living outside of a cage and it is seen to be the "humane" thing to do. But then if we were to put to sleep dangerous people who would otherwise have to remain caged for the rest of their natural life, we suddenly become "inhumane".

I think we tell ourselves whatever we need to hear in order to be able to sleep at night, but at the end of the day everything lives, everything dies, some in a more shitty way than others but there are worse things in life than death.

Mrs x "

There is a big difference.

Animals do not consent to be caged. Criminals do - in the act of committing a crime.

And we put animals down when they are sick because they don't speak and we can't communicate to them why they are hurting. Have you ever tried to explain to a dog why they don't feel good? It's like trying to explain to a newborn. You can't.

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"In cases like Ian Huntley, Brady, where you know they are 100% guilty of killing a child. Then they should have their balls cut off first then hung."

What purpose would castration serve?

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over a year ago


"In cases like Ian Huntley, Brady, where you know they are 100% guilty of killing a child. Then they should have their balls cut off first then hung.

What purpose would castration serve?"

I suspect it would make some men feel better about their masculinity. After all, 'real' men don't kill children. By cutting off his balls you are indicating that he is no longer a 'real' man with that symbolic gesture.

OH! HELLO MISOGYNY AND PATRIARCHY!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmmmm tough one, we put animals to sleep every day by telling ourselves it's for the best, they are either ill or too dangerous to be allowed to continue living outside of a cage and it is seen to be the "humane" thing to do. But then if we were to put to sleep dangerous people who would otherwise have to remain caged for the rest of their natural life, we suddenly become "inhumane".

I think we tell ourselves whatever we need to hear in order to be able to sleep at night, but at the end of the day everything lives, everything dies, some in a more shitty way than others but there are worse things in life than death.

Mrs x "

I like this.

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By *ald EagleMan
over a year ago

Alloa

Capital punishment should be brought back for limited offences.

Didnt the bible say "an eye for an eye", therefore "god" backs it.

We euthanise animals so why not is it unaccaptable to euthanise people, be it a legally sanctioned punishment.

As UK Capital case mis carraiges are in a minute number compared to correct convictions, it is a sound verdict.

I would be happy to "pull the lever" or "press the button"

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


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people like Brady and hindley where there was 100% proof ."

they thought they had 100% proof on the guildford 4

they thought they had 100% proof on the birmingham 6

they thought they had 100% proof on Sally clark

they though they had 100% proof on angela cannings

they thought they had 100% proof on stefan kiszko....

and the list goes on....

(reason why i pointed out the last 3.... they involved children!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with it depending on the crime......

Such like as Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr, that singer from a band and the murderers of Lee

Rigby.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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As UK Capital case mis carraiges are in a minute number compared to correct convictions, it is a sound verdict.

"

You're talking about a life. Would you be willing to explain to a parent why their child was killed if it turned out they were innocent?


"

I would be happy to "pull the lever" or "press the button""

What makes you different from any other killer?

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over a year ago

I believe in the death penalty. its a lot better these days to have 100% proof.so no mistakes. I also think prisons should be so much harder and punishments should fit the crime.

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"I believe in the death penalty. its a lot better these days to have 100% proof.so no mistakes. I also think prisons should be so much harder and punishments should fit the crime."

There's very rarely '100% proof'. Cases are proven when there is 'beyond reasonable doubt'. Sometimes '100% proof' cases have turned out to be wrong.

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over a year ago


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people like Brady and hindley where there was 100% proof .

they thought they had 100% proof on the guildford 4

they thought they had 100% proof on the birmingham 6

they thought they had 100% proof on Sally clark

they though they had 100% proof on angela cannings

they thought they had 100% proof on stefan kiszko....

and the list goes on....

(reason why i pointed out the last 3.... they involved children!)"
Brady admitted it so did hindley

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By *ald EagleMan
over a year ago

Alloa

having spoken to older generation criminals through work, they all stated that Capital Punishment was a deterrent to going "tooled up" on a job as if they were "tooled up" they would have to be prepared to use the wepons and as such willing to forfeit their own life if they killed someone.

The sound of the Gallows trapdoors echoing around Bar-L (btw there is still a working gallows that is tested regularly) reminded them what waited them if they took someones life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No offence meant ,just an opinion , so if someone killed members of your family ,and you knew they were as guilty as hell,then shouldnt it be a life for a life."

And then you're letting emotions cloud your judgement. Completly understandable but emotions should play not part in justice.

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over a year ago


"And I'm not saying every murderer should be hanged,but if they have 100% proof that they have committed these awful crimes then it should be a life for a life,what's the point of locking them up until they die.

Can you qualify the last line of that statement by explaining what benefit society would gain by not locking them away until they die?....

Taxpayer paying for them,taking room up in a cell that could be used for many of today's non respectful society and looking from another perspective what life do they have?

Are you seriously suggesting financial implication are a relevant factor in deciding who lives and who dies....

"

No but why should as law abiding citizens and taxpayers pay for those that have no respect,morals or remorse I have already said put a time limit for any appeals or new evidence before enforcing the death penalty some questions to ponder

A 4 month old child fractured skull evidence parent was to blame child dies does the guilty party deserve to live a full life having taken one so young

An 80 year old woman lived her life raised children raped and murdered in her own home does the purpatra deserve to live their lives

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"Brady admitted it so did hindley "

There have been cases where 'confessions' have been given under duress.

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over a year ago


"Hmmmm tough one, we put animals to sleep every day by telling ourselves it's for the best, they are either ill or too dangerous to be allowed to continue living outside of a cage and it is seen to be the "humane" thing to do. But then if we were to put to sleep dangerous people who would otherwise have to remain caged for the rest of their natural life, we suddenly become "inhumane".

I think we tell ourselves whatever we need to hear in order to be able to sleep at night, but at the end of the day everything lives, everything dies, some in a more shitty way than others but there are worse things in life than death.

Mrs x "

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Hove, mainly…


"I think people like Ian Brady should have been hung years ago,why are they keeping him alive?.."

It's more of a punishment if he's alive but locked up.

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By *ald EagleMan
over a year ago

Alloa

current scienfific procedures make unsafe convictions on capital cases something that would be unlikely to occur. Even some "posthumous pardon" cases have subsequently been found to have been safe convictions due to current DNA/evidence testing techniques.

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over a year ago


"I believe in the death penalty. its a lot better these days to have 100% proof.so no mistakes. I also think prisons should be so much harder and punishments should fit the crime.

There's very rarely '100% proof'. Cases are proven when there is 'beyond reasonable doubt'. Sometimes '100% proof' cases have turned out to be wrong."

Rarely- so that means there is sometimes. If there is and I believe there's a lot more cases of 100% , then they should get the death penalty

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

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"Brady admitted it so did hindley

There have been cases where 'confessions' have been given under duress."

Not in Brady's case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't help but chuckle when I read posts where people claim they could act as executioner...

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


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Brady admitted it so did hindley "

but at the time both of them pleaded not guilty.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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No but why should as law abiding citizens and taxpayers pay for those that have no respect,morals or remorse I have already said put a time limit for any appeals or new evidence before enforcing the death penalty some questions to ponder"

There's no question to ponder in my mind.

We are a civilized society who believes that killing other humans is wrong. That means that we do not kill other humans.

Being part of a civilized society means rehabilitating people for their crimes against our society and giving them a second chance at life.

Imagine a parallel. Anyone who ever commits a crime has the 'eye for an eye' punishment used against them. If you are caught speeding in your car, you are never allowed to drive again. The roads would be alot clearer and safer. But it wouldn't be appropriate.

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over a year ago


"Well if members of my family were killed,i wouldn't like to think of them sitting in a cozy prison cell,at the tax payers expense of course ,Ian Brady tortured those children ,can you even imagine what they went through,

As you keep mentioning him you do know he is held in a secure mental health unit and not a prison? yes i do i saw the documentary on him the other night.

Do you advocate the killing of other people with mental health issues?

mental health issues are different from personality disorders.

"

How exactly are mental health issues different from personality disorders?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"having spoken to older generation criminals through work, they all stated that Capital Punishment was a deterrent to going "tooled up" on a job as if they were "tooled up" they would have to be prepared to use the wepons and as such willing to forfeit their own life if they killed someone.

The sound of the Gallows trapdoors echoing around Bar-L (btw there is still a working gallows that is tested regularly) reminded them what waited them if they took someones life."

Good point. There is no deterrent. Kids /people think they can get away with murder, and they do

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over a year ago


"I believe in the death penalty. its a lot better these days to have 100% proof.so no mistakes. I also think prisons should be so much harder and punishments should fit the crime.

There's very rarely '100% proof'. Cases are proven when there is 'beyond reasonable doubt'. Sometimes '100% proof' cases have turned out to be wrong.

Rarely- so that means there is sometimes. If there is and I believe there's a lot more cases of 100% , then they should get the death penalty "

The problem is, you can't prove if something is 100% proof. You never know. The only way to have 100% proof is if someone committed a crime in front of dozens of witnesses in an area with high resolution recording capabilities that *can not* be tampered with (impossible), with corroborating scientific evidence. I'd also want to know that the person had not been influenced by anybody else, was not in the slightest mentally ill, and was not being coerced.

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"Barry George was convicted of the murder of television presenter Jill Dando and was released after two trials and two appeals. His sentence was finally overturned after scientific evidence was ruled inadmissible by the trial judge. He was denied compensation and is taking his claim to the European Court of Human Rights"

Corrupt police, incompetent senile judges and a justice system that is more about the 'old boy network', careers and personal wealth.

And it is said that UK has the best legal system in the world?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Didnt the bible say "an eye for an eye", therefore "god" backs it."

Again, no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can't help but chuckle when I read posts where people claim they could act as executioner...

"

Is this thread still running? Lol. Well I couldn't be an executioner, except of creepy crawlies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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No but why should as law abiding citizens and taxpayers pay for those that have no respect,morals or remorse I have already said put a time limit for any appeals or new evidence before enforcing the death penalty some questions to ponder

There's no question to ponder in my mind.

We are a civilized society who believes that killing other humans is wrong. That means that we do not kill other humans.

Being part of a civilized society means rehabilitating people for their crimes against our society and giving them a second chance at life.

Imagine a parallel. Anyone who ever commits a crime has the 'eye for an eye' punishment used against them. If you are caught speeding in your car, you are never allowed to drive again. The roads would be alot clearer and safer. But it wouldn't be appropriate."

Really? Most of us are civilised and live within society that way but you can hardly call Ian Huntley civilised.

Perhaps you have never come in contact with a child that's been physically and sexually abused. It's mental torcher for them for the rest of their lives they live with the stigma, mental images, and trauma how is that civilised for them??.

Why should someone who takes a child's innocence have the right to a second chance? When said child

Doesn't get that opportunity.

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over a year ago


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Really? Most of us are civilised and live within society that way but you can hardly call Ian Huntley civilised.

Perhaps you have never come in contact with a child that's been physically and sexually abused. It's mental torcher for them for the rest of their lives they live with the stigma, mental images, and trauma how is that civilised for them??.

Why should someone who takes a child's innocence have the right to a second chance? When said child

Doesn't get that opportunity. "

Please don't make assumptions about my own experiences.

I believe in rehabilitation and equal chances for everyone. I believe that, in the long term, if we commit to various ideologies that create a more egalitarian society then we will eradicate much crime. Killing people doesn't make society better.

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over a year ago


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No but why should as law abiding citizens and taxpayers pay for those that have no respect,morals or remorse I have already said put a time limit for any appeals or new evidence before enforcing the death penalty some questions to ponder

There's no question to ponder in my mind.

We are a civilized society who believes that killing other humans is wrong. That means that we do not kill other humans.

Being part of a civilized society means rehabilitating people for their crimes against our society and giving them a second chance at life.

Imagine a parallel. Anyone who ever commits a crime has the 'eye for an eye' punishment used against them. If you are caught speeding in your car, you are never allowed to drive again. The roads would be alot clearer and safer. But it wouldn't be appropriate."

I would agree with you to a point but saying rehabilitating all killers is just ridiculous

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"I believe in the death penalty. its a lot better these days to have 100% proof.so no mistakes. I also think prisons should be so much harder and punishments should fit the crime.

There's very rarely '100% proof'. Cases are proven when there is 'beyond reasonable doubt'. Sometimes '100% proof' cases have turned out to be wrong.

Rarely- so that means there is sometimes. If there is and I believe there's a lot more cases of 100% , then they should get the death penalty

The problem is, you can't prove if something is 100% proof. You never know. The only way to have 100% proof is if someone committed a crime in front of dozens of witnesses in an area with high resolution recording capabilities that *can not* be tampered with (impossible), with corroborating scientific evidence. I'd also want to know that the person had not been influenced by anybody else, was not in the slightest mentally ill, and was not being coerced."

Lee rigbys killers. Enough witnesses there.

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over a year ago


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I would agree with you to a point but saying rehabilitating all killers is just ridiculous"

Why is it ridiculous? Do you not believe that we should try to rehabilitate everyone?

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By *ald EagleMan
over a year ago

Alloa

scientific evidence can prove the accused was there as it is virtually impossible to have contact with someone and not leave trace DNA.

other scientific evidence can prove whether the accused was present at the time of the murder etc.

many of the miscarraiges mentioned before were down to flawed statistical calculations, or incompetent defence agents or "bent coppers", rather than actual scientific evidence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe in the death penalty. its a lot better these days to have 100% proof.so no mistakes. I also think prisons should be so much harder and punishments should fit the crime.

There's very rarely '100% proof'. Cases are proven when there is 'beyond reasonable doubt'. Sometimes '100% proof' cases have turned out to be wrong.

Rarely- so that means there is sometimes. If there is and I believe there's a lot more cases of 100% , then they should get the death penalty

The problem is, you can't prove if something is 100% proof. You never know. The only way to have 100% proof is if someone committed a crime in front of dozens of witnesses in an area with high resolution recording capabilities that *can not* be tampered with (impossible), with corroborating scientific evidence. I'd also want to know that the person had not been influenced by anybody else, was not in the slightest mentally ill, and was not being coerced.

Lee rigbys killers. Enough witnesses there. "

Prove to me that they weren't coerced by someone else. Prove to me that they weren't mentally vulnerable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another thing that makes me chuckle is no matter how many times some people say the same thing over and over again or try to say the same thing but in a different way it still sounds unconvincing .......

I wonder why that is...

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By *ald EagleMan
over a year ago

Alloa

Capital punishment should only be an option for certain crimes imho.

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over a year ago


"I believe in the death penalty. its a lot better these days to have 100% proof.so no mistakes. I also think prisons should be so much harder and punishments should fit the crime.

There's very rarely '100% proof'. Cases are proven when there is 'beyond reasonable doubt'. Sometimes '100% proof' cases have turned out to be wrong.

Rarely- so that means there is sometimes. If there is and I believe there's a lot more cases of 100% , then they should get the death penalty

The problem is, you can't prove if something is 100% proof. You never know. The only way to have 100% proof is if someone committed a crime in front of dozens of witnesses in an area with high resolution recording capabilities that *can not* be tampered with (impossible), with corroborating scientific evidence. I'd also want to know that the person had not been influenced by anybody else, was not in the slightest mentally ill, and was not being coerced.

Lee rigbys killers. Enough witnesses there.

Prove to me that they weren't coerced by someone else. Prove to me that they weren't mentally vulnerable."
not mentally vulnerable, more brainwashed in their case

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd like to say yes I agree with the death penalty.. but I understand how someone innocent could be killed and that's not good... but in that case then jail should be more of a deterrent than it is now.. I do like the idea of how American jails are run from watching programmes.. they don't look like holiday camps unlike ours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I would agree with you to a point but saying rehabilitating all killers is just ridiculous

Why is it ridiculous? Do you not believe that we should try to rehabilitate everyone?"
no because some people don't deserve to be helped

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"scientific evidence can prove the accused was there as it is virtually impossible to have contact with someone and not leave trace DNA.

other scientific evidence can prove whether the accused was present at the time of the murder etc.

many of the miscarraiges mentioned before were down to flawed statistical calculations, or incompetent defence agents or "bent coppers", rather than actual scientific evidence."

But DNA doesn't prove what happened. It can't prove self-defense or otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All kiddie fiddlers should be tortured, dragged around the country for beatings and general humiliation before being dropped into a tank of dry cement until theirs lungs burn out.

Lethal injection would just be boring.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I would agree with you to a point but saying rehabilitating all killers is just ridiculous

Why is it ridiculous? Do you not believe that we should try to rehabilitate everyone?"

No some people are just beyond that, a serial killer or rapist don't change.

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over a year ago


"having spoken to older generation criminals through work, they all stated that Capital Punishment was a deterrent to going "tooled up" on a job as if they were "tooled up" they would have to be prepared to use the wepons and as such willing to forfeit their own life if they killed someone.

The sound of the Gallows trapdoors echoing around Bar-L (btw there is still a working gallows that is tested regularly) reminded them what waited them if they took someones life.

Good point. There is no deterrent. Kids /people think they can get away with murder, and they do "

Do you think that the death sentence serves as a deterrent in America?

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By *orset manMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth

no

Sun readers will vote yes

majority of people that don't want to live in a barbaric society say no

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So if a member of my family is killed and the proof is there ,then i Have to just sit back ,while the killer gets life, nice and warm in a prison cell,no bills to pay,television,phone calls,visits, theropy,then they get there weekly money to buy ciggs and stuff ,its a flipping joke.then their let out and sometimes kill again ,and back to their cozy cell they trot

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over a year ago


"I believe in the death penalty. its a lot better these days to have 100% proof.so no mistakes. I also think prisons should be so much harder and punishments should fit the crime.

There's very rarely '100% proof'. Cases are proven when there is 'beyond reasonable doubt'. Sometimes '100% proof' cases have turned out to be wrong.

Rarely- so that means there is sometimes. If there is and I believe there's a lot more cases of 100% , then they should get the death penalty

The problem is, you can't prove if something is 100% proof. You never know. The only way to have 100% proof is if someone committed a crime in front of dozens of witnesses in an area with high resolution recording capabilities that *can not* be tampered with (impossible), with corroborating scientific evidence. I'd also want to know that the person had not been influenced by anybody else, was not in the slightest mentally ill, and was not being coerced.

Lee rigbys killers. Enough witnesses there.

Prove to me that they weren't coerced by someone else. Prove to me that they weren't mentally vulnerable."

May be wrong of me but I don't care. They did it. They should be punished. They should know right from wrong.

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over a year ago


"

I would agree with you to a point but saying rehabilitating all killers is just ridiculous

Why is it ridiculous? Do you not believe that we should try to rehabilitate everyone?

No some people are just beyond that, a serial killer or rapist don't change."

Are you basing that on anything other than opinion?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"All kiddie fiddlers should be tortured, dragged around the country for beatings and general humiliation before being dropped into a tank of dry cement until theirs lungs burn out.

Lethal injection would just be boring."

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"I agree with it personally,if it were controlled and a time limit put on it to avoid miscarriages of justice,it's not an eye for an eye view point I agree with but when someone has carried out such henus crimes why should the taxpayer fund a lifestyle where they get three meals a day a roof over their head when ex soldiers who've fought for their country sometimes don't have such luxuries,were always hearing about prisons being overcrowded this will only get worse where do we draw the line I think the bigger picture needs to be looked at if Ian huntley hadn't died in prison and there was no question of his guilt how many years would we have funded him?"

just out of interest what time limit would you deem reasonable...

just because it took the guildford 4 17 years to get justice

the birmingham 6.... 16 years

stefan kiszko....16 years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sadly the world isn't pink and fluffy and no matter what steps are put in place to rehabilitate offenders of serious crimes some will always remain evil vile fuckers that no one can help.

So why as a society are we rehabilitating them? Or even trying to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So if a member of my family is killed and the proof is there ,then i Have to just sit back ,while the killer gets life, nice and warm in a prison cell,no bills to pay,television,phone calls,visits, theropy,then they get there weekly money to buy ciggs and stuff ,its a flipping joke.then their let out and sometimes kill again ,and back to their cozy cell they trot

"

So basically prison should dehumanised people?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sadly the world isn't pink and fluffy and no matter what steps are put in place to rehabilitate offenders of serious crimes some will always remain evil vile fuckers that no one can help.

So why as a society are we rehabilitating them? Or even trying to?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"having spoken to older generation criminals through work, they all stated that Capital Punishment was a deterrent to going "tooled up" on a job as if they were "tooled up" they would have to be prepared to use the wepons and as such willing to forfeit their own life if they killed someone.

The sound of the Gallows trapdoors echoing around Bar-L (btw there is still a working gallows that is tested regularly) reminded them what waited them if they took someones life.

Good point. There is no deterrent. Kids /people think they can get away with murder, and they do

Do you think that the death sentence serves as a deterrent in America?"

In a lot of cases, yes. There will always be people who'll do what they're going to do, regardless, but for many it would make them think twice.

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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree with it personally,if it were controlled and a time limit put on it to avoid miscarriages of justice,it's not an eye for an eye view point I agree with but when someone has carried out such henus crimes why should the taxpayer fund a lifestyle where they get three meals a day a roof over their head when ex soldiers who've fought for their country sometimes don't have such luxuries,were always hearing about prisons being overcrowded this will only get worse where do we draw the line I think the bigger picture needs to be looked at if Ian huntley hadn't died in prison and there was no question of his guilt how many years would we have funded him?

just out of interest what time limit would you deem reasonable...

just because it took the guildford 4 17 years to get justice

the birmingham 6.... 16 years

stefan kiszko....16 years

"

Fuck em. They were still involved in shit, just not that shit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So if a member of my family is killed and the proof is there ,then i Have to just sit back ,while the killer gets life, nice and warm in a prison cell,no bills to pay,television,phone calls,visits, theropy,then they get there weekly money to buy ciggs and stuff ,its a flipping joke.then their let out and sometimes kill again ,and back to their cozy cell they trot

So basically prison should dehumanised people?"
for those types of crimes yes prison should be a living hell, let the punishment fit the crime

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

No, it should be confined to the history books. If it was my family of course I would want them killed, but thats revenge not justice and why we have judges, juries, the CPS, laws, sentencing guidlines etc, instead of just asking the victim what they want to happen to the offender.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All kiddie fiddlers should be tortured, dragged around the country for beatings and general humiliation before being dropped into a tank of dry cement until theirs lungs burn out.

Lethal injection would just be boring. "

If you genuinely agree with that (I assumed the post was sarcastic) do you look at the way ISIS execute people and think that us a good thing? Do you honestly think that taking someone's life isn't enough of a punishment and that they should be tortured too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Killing people is wrong, so wrong that if you do kill some one we should kill you. Then because we killed you then we have to be killed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Bet if the punishment for these awful crimes was captipal punishment ,then you wouldn't have half so many murderers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, it should be confined to the history books. If it was my family of course I would want them killed, but thats revenge not justice and why we have judges, juries, the CPS, laws, sentencing guidlines etc, instead of just asking the victim what they want to happen to the offender."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All kiddie fiddlers should be tortured, dragged around the country for beatings and general humiliation before being dropped into a tank of dry cement until theirs lungs burn out.

Lethal injection would just be boring.

If you genuinely agree with that (I assumed the post was sarcastic) do you look at the way ISIS execute people and think that us a good thing? Do you honestly think that taking someone's life isn't enough of a punishment and that they should be tortured too?"

You can hardly drop ISIS into this debate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bet if the punishment for these awful crimes was captipal punishment ,then you wouldn't have half so many murderers."

Well of course no one in America gets murdered do they

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Down with big letters!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree with it personally,if it were controlled and a time limit put on it to avoid miscarriages of justice,it's not an eye for an eye view point I agree with but when someone has carried out such henus crimes why should the taxpayer fund a lifestyle where they get three meals a day a roof over their head when ex soldiers who've fought for their country sometimes don't have such luxuries,were always hearing about prisons being overcrowded this will only get worse where do we draw the line I think the bigger picture needs to be looked at if Ian huntley hadn't died in prison and there was no question of his guilt how many years would we have funded him?

just out of interest what time limit would you deem reasonable...

just because it took the guildford 4 17 years to get justice

the birmingham 6.... 16 years

stefan kiszko....16 years

Fuck em. They were still involved in shit, just not that shit "

Exactly, why even bother with a trial, we know who is guilty. It's been weeks since I joined a good ol' fashioned angry mob for some vigilante justice.

I'll get to knives, you get the noose and let's make a video that'll make ISIS grimace.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well if members of my family were killed,i wouldn't like to think of them sitting in a cozy prison cell,at the tax payers expense of course ,Ian Brady tortured those children ,can you even imagine what they went through,"

Have you ever been in a prison? Don't believe what the press says, they are very far from cosy places

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmmmm tough one, we put animals to sleep every day by telling ourselves it's for the best, they are either ill or too dangerous to be allowed to continue living outside of a cage and it is seen to be the "humane" thing to do. But then if we were to put to sleep dangerous people who would otherwise have to remain caged for the rest of their natural life, we suddenly become "inhumane".

I think we tell ourselves whatever we need to hear in order to be able to sleep at night, but at the end of the day everything lives, everything dies, some in a more shitty way than others but there are worse things in life than death.

Mrs x

There is a big difference.

Animals do not consent to be caged. Criminals do - in the act of committing a crime.

And we put animals down when they are sick because they don't speak and we can't communicate to them why they are hurting. Have you ever tried to explain to a dog why they don't feel good? It's like trying to explain to a newborn. You can't."

So by that reckoning we SHOULD put to sleep babies and non communicative disabled people because we can't explain pain to them? Does an explanation make it hurt less?

Criminals do not consent to being put in cages, they try their damndest not to be put in cages by not being caught, they might understand consequences of actions but that is not the same as consent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bet if the punishment for these awful crimes was captipal punishment ,then you wouldn't have half so many murderers.

Well of course no one in America gets murdered do they "

Think America just prove it doesn't work, but I go back to what I said earlier life should mean life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well said, the forensics nowadays is 99.9% accurate so they know if you did something or not, and for those in the grey area then they rot in prison, but made to work from sun up til sun down not sitting in a cell,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well if members of my family were killed,i wouldn't like to think of them sitting in a cozy prison cell,at the tax payers expense of course ,Ian Brady tortured those children ,can you even imagine what they went through,

Have you ever been in a prison? Don't believe what the press says, they are very far from cosy places"

To be honest I have always though of the death penalty as the easy way out

Think about it, if you have the choice of spending the rest of your life in prison or having an injection that will end it all which would you choose? I know I'd choose death

Saying that life should mean life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"having spoken to older generation criminals through work, they all stated that Capital Punishment was a deterrent to going "tooled up" on a job as if they were "tooled up" they would have to be prepared to use the wepons and as such willing to forfeit their own life if they killed someone.

The sound of the Gallows trapdoors echoing around Bar-L (btw there is still a working gallows that is tested regularly) reminded them what waited them if they took someones life.

Good point. There is no deterrent. Kids /people think they can get away with murder, and they do

Do you think that the death sentence serves as a deterrent in America?

In a lot of cases, yes. There will always be people who'll do what they're going to do, regardless, but for many it would make them think twice."

So given that that the homicide rate in America dwarves thst in the rest of I'm the western world how does it act as a deterrent?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All kiddie fiddlers should be tortured, dragged around the country for beatings and general humiliation before being dropped into a tank of dry cement until theirs lungs burn out.

Lethal injection would just be boring.

If you genuinely agree with that (I assumed the post was sarcastic) do you look at the way ISIS execute people and think that us a good thing? Do you honestly think that taking someone's life isn't enough of a punishment and that they should be tortured too?"

If anyone ever touched my kids I would do whatever I had to do to get to the person(s) responsible and serve my justice.

If it doesn't bother you then I'll point all the paedos in the direction of your family, friends and loved ones for their fun and games.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All kiddie fiddlers should be tortured, dragged around the country for beatings and general humiliation before being dropped into a tank of dry cement until theirs lungs burn out.

Lethal injection would just be boring.

If you genuinely agree with that (I assumed the post was sarcastic) do you look at the way ISIS execute people and think that us a good thing? Do you honestly think that taking someone's life isn't enough of a punishment and that they should be tortured too?

You can hardly drop ISIS into this debate "

It's valid in the context of the 2 posts I was quoting

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Well if members of my family were killed,i wouldn't like to think of them sitting in a cozy prison cell,at the tax payers expense of course ,Ian Brady tortured those children ,can you even imagine what they went through,

Have you ever been in a prison? Don't believe what the press says, they are very far from cosy places"
yes i have .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And I'm not saying every murderer should be hanged,but if they have 100% proof that they have committed these awful crimes then it should be a life for a life,what's the point of locking them up until they die.

Can you qualify the last line of that statement by explaining what benefit society would gain by not locking them away until they die?....

Taxpayer paying for them,taking room up in a cell that could be used for many of today's non respectful society and looking from another perspective what life do they have?

Are you seriously suggesting financial implication are a relevant factor in deciding who lives and who dies....

No but why should as law abiding citizens and taxpayers pay for those that have no respect,morals or remorse "

Because a civilised society has a responsibility too share the cost of maintaining a system that provides basic human needs for all citizens regardless of prejudice .

The rest of your reply consist anecdotal examples which don't carry the "Bring back the death penalty" argument forward .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Down with big letters!"

Get my vote for best post in the thread....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All kiddie fiddlers should be tortured, dragged around the country for beatings and general humiliation before being dropped into a tank of dry cement until theirs lungs burn out.

Lethal injection would just be boring.

"

Isn't that what basically happened to that polish guy (I think he was polish) who was beaten then burned to death for being a child abuser who turned out to be innocent and left two small kids without a dad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well said, the forensics nowadays is 99.9% accurate so they know if you did something or not"

No they can't. Forensics don't know if you killed someone in self defence or anger.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This isnt going to end well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All kiddie fiddlers should be tortured, dragged around the country for beatings and general humiliation before being dropped into a tank of dry cement until theirs lungs burn out.

Lethal injection would just be boring.

If you genuinely agree with that (I assumed the post was sarcastic) do you look at the way ISIS execute people and think that us a good thing? Do you honestly think that taking someone's life isn't enough of a punishment and that they should be tortured too?

If anyone ever touched my kids I would do whatever I had to do to get to the person(s) responsible and serve my justice.

If it doesn't bother you then I'll point all the paedos in the direction of your family, friends and loved ones for their fun and games. "

What as ridiculous and offensive thing to say

If anybody hurt any of my kids I would protect they, violently if needed but all because I would kill for my kids that does not mean I'd be prepared to do it as a job to somebody who had not affected me directly but that also does not mean I think it's OK or other people's kids to be hurt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This isnt going to end well "

Oh shush ya-self don't be such a kill-joy........ let the hangmen ( or hangwomen)have their day in the sun...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I would agree with you to a point but saying rehabilitating all killers is just ridiculous

Why is it ridiculous? Do you not believe that we should try to rehabilitate everyone? no because some people don't deserve to be helped"

Why do you get to decide who 'deserves' help from society?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"not mentally vulnerable, more brainwashed in their case"

So if they were brainwashed, perhaps they need help and compassion in order to become functioning members of society, rather than being executed because someone else convinced them to commit a crime.

Man, some people would have had my hand cut off because my cousin told me to steal a penny sweet...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As much as I'd like to carry on with this , I have to go out. I do believe in the death penalty and yes, I could pull the switch. No doubt.

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By *luemelonMan
over a year ago

Stourbridge

This is all part of the theory that the punishment should fit the crime. Whether you agree with capital punishment or not, I think most people can agree that the current justice system does not work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I oppose the death penalty because as a Christian I believe that everyone has the right to repent for their sins and attempt to make amendments for their crimes and mistakes. Man does not have the right to end man's life and doing so removes the chance for repentance.

Doesn't your scriptures preach an eye for an eye,tooth for a tooth?

No, that's the old covenant which is superceded by the new one. Hence why Christians can eat Pork."

Nice to see religion updating

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By *otgirl32Woman
over a year ago

Ashton Under Lyne

I absolutely agree with the OP - death penalty should be instigated.

The way I see it there are 3 facts

Fact #1 - any punishment (jail, capital etc.) is meant to be a deterrant. Not justice. Justice is when someone's stolen good are recovered and given back and the perpetrators are put behind bars. For murder, there can be no justice. Punishment there is to make sure others don't do it for fear of that punishment.

Fact #2 - by and large, countries that execute people AFTER A FAIR TRIAL for heinous crimes have the lowest rates of those crimes - murder, drug trafficking etc. Look at Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, UAE, Bahrain - these places have very little drugs, murders etc. Now there are countries like India and Pakistan that also have the death penalty but most people who get executed are poor people. That's the point - death penalty only works when trials are FAIR.

Fact #3 - we humans haven't evolved to the point where heinous crimes are outliers, rare happenings. Then we can ponder over "why" he/she did what he/she did and abolish the death penalty and try to "understand" why it happened and where he/she was "let down" by society. We're not there yet. There is too much inequality, injustice and stomping on people's rights that drive people to kill. The death penalty is a deterrent and has a place (with a fair trial being a requisite).

Whew, too much of philosophical stuff, now back to sex !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people like Ian Brady should have been hung years ago,why are they keeping him alive?.."

I am sure the EU would forbid us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I oppose the death penalty because as a Christian I believe that everyone has the right to repent for their sins and attempt to make amendments for their crimes and mistakes. Man does not have the right to end man's life and doing so removes the chance for repentance.

Doesn't your scriptures preach an eye for an eye,tooth for a tooth?

No, that's the old covenant which is superceded by the new one. Hence why Christians can eat Pork.

Nice to see religion updating "

Nothing new there. Christians have always eaten pork and never followed leviticus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I would agree with you to a point but saying rehabilitating all killers is just ridiculous

Why is it ridiculous? Do you not believe that we should try to rehabilitate everyone? no because some people don't deserve to be helped

Why do you get to decide who 'deserves' help from society?"
I don't get to decide, you asked if I believed we should try to rehabilitate people and I said no I don't believe, nowhere in that comment did I say I should get to decide

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is all part of the theory that the punishment should fit the crime. Whether you agree with capital punishment or not, I think most people can agree that the current justice system does not work."

70% of the time it works every time

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

I agree with it for repeat offenders - people who clearly aren't learning their lesson.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How would anyone feel if unfortunate enough to have a son or daughter or any loved one waiting on death row. Whatever they had done, I'd prefer them alive for sure. And like many in other countries I'd fight tooth and nail to have the penalty repealed for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"not mentally vulnerable, more brainwashed in their case

So if they were brainwashed, perhaps they need help and compassion in order to become functioning members of society, rather than being executed because someone else convinced them to commit a crime.

Man, some people would have had my hand cut off because my cousin told me to steal a penny sweet..."
lee rigsby killers didn't just commit a crime they brutally and savagely murdered a man doing nothing more than walking along a street then brazenly brandished their blood soaked weapons to everyone around them like a trophy. why would anyone want to show them compassion or even attempt to show them the error of their ways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In this country we punish people by taking away their rights and incarcerating them.

We don't torture them, we don't kill them we don't maim them. To do these things would be hypocritical. We are after all supposed to be a civilised sociaty. You can tell that by the fact that we have laws against doing the above.

Prison isn't a nice place anyone that's actually visited one can testify to that.

A lot of people are getting punishment confused with retribution we don't do an eye for an eye.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I would agree with you to a point but saying rehabilitating all killers is just ridiculous

Why is it ridiculous? Do you not believe that we should try to rehabilitate everyone? no because some people don't deserve to be helped

Why do you get to decide who 'deserves' help from society?"

So you think the likes of Ian Brady or Harold Shipman should be rehabilitate or even could be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"not mentally vulnerable, more brainwashed in their case

So if they were brainwashed, perhaps they need help and compassion in order to become functioning members of society, rather than being executed because someone else convinced them to commit a crime.

Man, some people would have had my hand cut off because my cousin told me to steal a penny sweet...lee rigsby killers didn't just commit a crime they brutally and savagely murdered a man doing nothing more than walking along a street then brazenly brandished their blood soaked weapons to everyone around them like a trophy. why would anyone want to show them compassion or even attempt to show them the error of their ways. "
do you think what they did was the act of a normal person, beheading a random stranger in the street isn't the act of a sane person is it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All kiddie fiddlers should be tortured, dragged around the country for beatings and general humiliation before being dropped into a tank of dry cement until theirs lungs burn out.

Lethal injection would just be boring.

If you genuinely agree with that (I assumed the post was sarcastic) do you look at the way ISIS execute people and think that us a good thing? Do you honestly think that taking someone's life isn't enough of a punishment and that they should be tortured too?

If anyone ever touched my kids I would do whatever I had to do to get to the person(s) responsible and serve my justice.

If it doesn't bother you then I'll point all the paedos in the direction of your family, friends and loved ones for their fun and games. "

And if that is your idea of justice (rather than pathetic macho crap) then you are part of the problem not the solution.

I really don't see how not being in favour of capital punishment or your form of torture in anyway equates to your response.

And the suggestion that my family and friends somehow deserve to be abused by paedophile because I disagree with you is vile and abhorrent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I would agree with you to a point but saying rehabilitating all killers is just ridiculous

Why is it ridiculous? Do you not believe that we should try to rehabilitate everyone? no because some people don't deserve to be helped

Why do you get to decide who 'deserves' help from society?

So you think the likes of Ian Brady or Harold Shipman should be rehabilitate or even could be."
the sad thing is she actually does, no wonder people nowadays can and often do literally get away with murder.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"not mentally vulnerable, more brainwashed in their case

So if they were brainwashed, perhaps they need help and compassion in order to become functioning members of society, rather than being executed because someone else convinced them to commit a crime.

Man, some people would have had my hand cut off because my cousin told me to steal a penny sweet...lee rigsby killers didn't just commit a crime they brutally and savagely murdered a man doing nothing more than walking along a street then brazenly brandished their blood soaked weapons to everyone around them like a trophy. why would anyone want to show them compassion or even attempt to show them the error of their ways. "

Compassion... no definitely not. But I think spending your life locked away for life knowing it's unlikely you will be free is a better punishment.

Ando, please guys I've heard all the unfounded stories about how luxurious it is in prison,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I would agree with you to a point but saying rehabilitating all killers is just ridiculous

Why is it ridiculous? Do you not believe that we should try to rehabilitate everyone? no because some people don't deserve to be helped

Why do you get to decide who 'deserves' help from society?

So you think the likes of Ian Brady or Harold Shipman should be rehabilitate or even could be."

Some people can be fixed others can't. These individuals represent an ongoing danger to society that is why they will never be released

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"not mentally vulnerable, more brainwashed in their case

So if they were brainwashed, perhaps they need help and compassion in order to become functioning members of society, rather than being executed because someone else convinced them to commit a crime.

Man, some people would have had my hand cut off because my cousin told me to steal a penny sweet...lee rigsby killers didn't just commit a crime they brutally and savagely murdered a man doing nothing more than walking along a street then brazenly brandished their blood soaked weapons to everyone around them like a trophy. why would anyone want to show them compassion or even attempt to show them the error of their ways. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I absolutely agree with the OP - death penalty should be instigated.

The way I see it there are 3 facts

Fact #1 - any punishment (jail, capital etc.) is meant to be a deterrant. Not justice. Justice is when someone's stolen good are recovered and given back and the perpetrators are put behind bars. For murder, there can be no justice. Punishment there is to make sure others don't do it for fear of that punishment.

Fact #2 - by and large, countries that execute people AFTER A FAIR TRIAL for heinous crimes have the lowest rates of those crimes - murder, drug trafficking etc. Look at Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, UAE, Bahrain - these places have very little drugs, murders etc. Now there are countries like India and Pakistan that also have the death penalty but most people who get executed are poor people. That's the point - death penalty only works when trials are FAIR.

Fact #3 - we humans haven't evolved to the point where heinous crimes are outliers, rare happenings. Then we can ponder over "why" he/she did what he/she did and abolish the death penalty and try to "understand" why it happened and where he/she was "let down" by society. We're not there yet. There is too much inequality, injustice and stomping on people's rights that drive people to kill. The death penalty is a deterrent and has a place (with a fair trial being a requisite).

Whew, too much of philosophical stuff, now back to sex !!"

Putting #fact in front of something doesn't make it a fact

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Once your dead, your dead.

There is no punishment Iminvolved in that. The punishment ends when the life ends.

They are not lying in their graves for the next 50 years upset at what they are missing.

The only purpose the death penalty serves is a short term need for vengeance.

Love them up for life of need be. We should see more 100 year sentences rather than saying life and know if it means 15 years.

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